Trinity Evidence All False

"In the beginning was the Word the Word was with God and the Word was God."

To make the Word, Jesus Christ, not God is to make Him a god, and you are not saved.

You are not a monotheist, rather a polytheist, and believe in more than One God.

Factual Verse:

"Unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given, and the government shall be upon his shoulders, and his name shall be called, Wonderful, Counselor, the Mighty God, the Everlasting Father, and the Prince of Peace." Isaiah 9:6

Squeakybro, you are beliving a different Jesus than the doctrines of the Orthodox, Catholic, and Protestant Churches. You have believed in the teaching of the Jehovah Witnesses, The Way International, and the false teacher way back there Arius. One must believe that Jesus Christ is God or they have a different Jesus.

Squeakybro,

"you said
." Isaiah 9:6

I said
I can see where you are deceived now. If you hold on to anything in the old testament. If you dont abide in the new testament of Christ you dont have Jesus or God."

Neither Christ, nor the Disciples ever told us to pitch out the words of the Old Testament.
Isaiah 9:6 is a messianic prophecy regarding the Lord Jesus Christ.
Jesus said, "I have not come to abolish the law but fulfill it."
To throw out the Old Testament gives a person an incorrect Jesus Christ and imperfect knowledge regarding the character of God.
Don't do it! I will not.

The Doctrine of Christ to a Trinitarian is that the Father is One with the Son, and I will abide in the Doctrine of Christ, for He is God.

John 1:1

You have the Scriptures well memorized from the JW or The Way International perspective. You may even be like the nice JW that came to my door a few months ago. We both just stood there each presenting different sides of the Scriptures regarding this issue.

Now, I know that the JW's don't throw out the O.T., and according to The Handbook of Today's Religions The Way International/Wierville doesn't throw out the O.T., and your theology doesn't sound like the past or present Worldwide Church of God. What church do you go to?

You are correct, this subject is an important theological point.

This is a quote from squeakybro from another of his strings:

"I am a 58 year old man. And I went through the 3 years of the milk and the eleven years of the meat understanding. I came to the revelations of Jesus Christ that Paul spoke of. I have been receiving these revelation for 15 years and have received over 1500 of like revelations."

This is clear evidence that he is trying to make himself appear to be a Christian, while clearly he is not.

For starters:

He denies the the Deity of Jesus Christ.
He denies that Jesus is the Word of God.
He denies the Trinity.

(Also see his other strings)

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Who was the flesh that the Word became in John 1:14?
If you say He was not Jesus,you deny Him before men and He will deny you before the father.

Matthew 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

Jesus Christ is Lord and God.

John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

You deny God.

Dave

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squeakybro

<font color="0000ff">The bible itself denies the deity, when the word deity doesnt even show up in the bible.
I deny Jesus is the Word because He isnt.
The bible itself denies the trinity because that word doesnt show up anywhere in the Word of God.</font>

That’s interesting, squeakybro. My friend told me that there isn’t a single place in the Christian bible where the trinity is explicitly mentioned and there isn’t a single place in the Christian bible where jesus explicitly proclaims himself to be a god. Since these are so prevalent in Christian posts, I thought my friend was kidding me, but you are apparently confirming it.

the BIBLE says that when john was baptising JESUS, THE VOICE(MEANING FATHER ) SPOKE FROM HEAVE, WHILE THE HOLY GHOST WAS COMEING DOWN AS A DOVE. ONE FOR THE FATHER, TOW FOR THE SON (IN THE WATER) THREE FOR THE HOLY GHOST, THREE THAT IS ... TRINITY... THREE... TRINITY.

you said
Since these are so prevalent in Christian posts, I thought my friend was kidding me, but you are apparently confirming it.

I said
Your friend is a true believer in the Word of God.

hey squeakymouse... all three FATHER SON AND HOLY GHOST ARE GOD. there is not four of THEM.
the devilis the great dragon he is the serpent he is called the devil and satan there are not three of him only on and he is the devil

Jesus Christ is the trinity

Okay okay okay here we go again. Father, Son and Holy Ghost are one. The Father gave authority to the Son and the Holy Ghost. He also sent them both. Christ prayed the nite before he died and this is what He said.

And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
(John 17:11)

Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me. Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world. O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me. And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.
(John 17:20-26)

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
(John 14:6-7)

And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
(John 14:16-17)

It would do you all good to study book of John in the new testament. God is a plural term for Father, Son and Holy Ghost. If you use the term you are speaking of all three in the christian faith. The term god non capitalized would mean something else in a false religion.

you said
God is a plural term for Father, Son and Holy Ghost. If you use the term you are speaking of all three in the christian faith. The term god non capitalized would mean something else in a false religion.

I said
Then you say Jesus lied. No proof no evidence just your own opinion.

1 Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: "Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You,
2 "as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him.
3 "And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
(NKJ)

squeakybro ,
I am not going to repeat my post but read John 17 in its intirity if you got the time. It explains who Father, Christ and Holy Spirit is and the fact they are one.

THE 'ARE ONE' DELUSION
WE ARE ONE WITH CHRIST AND GOD AND HOLY SPIRIT
IF JESUS IS GOD BECAUSE OF THE ONENESS-THEN WE ARE GOD. NOT SO!
John 10:30
30 "I and My Father are one."
(NKJ)
John 17:22
22 "And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one:
I Jn 5:7-8
7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.
8 And there are three that bear witness on earth: the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree as one.
1 Cor 12:12-14
12 For as the body is one and has many members, but all the members of that one body, being many, are one body, so also is Christ.
13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body-- whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free-- and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.
14 For in fact the body is not one member but many.
1 Cor 10:16-17
16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?
17 For we, though many, are one bread and one body; for we all partake of that one bread.
1 Cor 3:7-11
7 So then neither he who plants is anything, nor he who waters, but God who gives the increase.
8 Now he who plants and he who waters are one, and each one will receive his own reward according to his own labor.
9 For we are God's fellow workers; you are God's field, you are God's building.
10 According to the grace of God which was given to me, as a wise master builder I have laid the foundation, and another builds on it. But let each one take heed how he builds on it.
11 For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
Rom 12:5
5 so we, being many, are one body in Christ, and individually members of one another.
John 17:20-23
20 "I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word;
21 "that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me.
22 "And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one:
23 "I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.
John 10:29-30
29 "My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand.
30 "I and My Father are one."
Eph 4:4-6
4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling;
5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism;
6 one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
1 Cor 6:17
17 But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him.
Matt 10:32-33
32 "Therefore whoever confesses Me before men, him I will also confess before My Father who is in heaven.
33 "But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in heaven.
1 Cor 11:1
1 Imitate me, just as I also imitate Christ.
2 Cor 10:4-5
4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds,
5 casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ,
1 Cor 11:3
3 But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.
Rom 16:25-27
25 Now to Him who is able to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery kept secret since the world began
26 but now has been made manifest, and by the prophetic Scriptures has been made known to all nations, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, for obedience to the faith--
27 to God, alone wise, be glory through Jesus Christ forever. Amen.
1 Cor 1:10
10 Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
Rom 12:16
16 Be of the same mind toward one another. Do not set your mind on high things, but associate with the humble. Do not be wise in your own opinion.
Phil 3:16
16 Nevertheless, to the degree that we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us be of the same mind.
2 Cor 4:13-14
13 And since we have the same spirit of faith, according to what is written, "I believed and therefore I spoke," we also believe and therefore speak,
14 knowing that He who raised up the Lord Jesus will also raise us up with Jesus, and will present us with you.
(NKJ)
xxOneness is all about agreement. John 17-22 Jesus prayed that we may be one the same way that Jesus and God are one. Jesus submitted to every Word of God that shows His agreement. We are to submit to every Word of God to show our agreement.
Jesus prayed John 17-22 that we "are one" with Jesus and God the Father. And that doesnt make us God any more than it made Jesus God to be one with God.

squeakymousse read YOUR post on the 10th. it says there are four... that is what i was speaking about. you said there were four not i.

If i am not mistake squeakybro you believe that we are gods. And if this is what you believe I disagree. That is either new age, Pencostal oness, Jesus Only, or buddist. Now which are you so we can clear this up.

arron the four was what you showed me.

turtle your wrong i dont believe that. I believe there is only one God the Father. Because that is what the Word says. That is what Jesus says. I dont add to or take away from the Word.

You said God was four. So you need to explain squeakybro?

arron said
the BIBLE says that when john was baptising JESUS, THE VOICE(MEANING FATHER ) SPOKE FROM HEAVE, WHILE THE HOLY GHOST WAS COMEING DOWN AS A DOVE. ONE FOR THE FATHER, TOW FOR THE SON (IN THE WATER) THREE FOR THE HOLY GHOST, THREE THAT IS ... TRINITY... THREE... TRINITY.

I said
Father, Son, Holy Ghost that is three where is God? Add in God and you have four. That is where I got it. I didnt say I agree or disagree I was just wondering where was God.

squeakymouse... no.. you reread your post on the tenth... YOU said there were four.. not me