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llm, do you know Lance?
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Nope_I just thought it was an interesting story.
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It wouldn't have been interesting to you when he was teaching the same things as the SC. But since he basically had a nervous breakdown, and then shifted back to the myths that fundamental Christian theology are made of, now that is interesting to you.
Plus, Lance Knight has already been talked about here, so once again you waste another thread with redundant information. What is not usually part of the Lance Knight story, at least the version you come across on the web, is that most of the former King's Chapel people did not follow him into his depression, and adhere to what was originally taught, which is a far cry from a talking snake, magic fruit trees, flying horses, and some evil guy making people wear 666 tatoos on their heads and hands, and other nonsense that had absolutely nothing to do with the original Hebrew and Greek manuscripts. |
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I agree with Lance when he says that when he thinks of Shepherds Chapel or Arnold Murray, it doesn't make him think of Jesus Christ, but instead it makes him think of Antichrist. That's what they seem to be lifting up.
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BTW Lance dosen't appear t0 be depressed. He seems relieved and coherent. He seems to be getting to what is important. Jesus Christ and his resurrection.
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"I agree with Lance when he says that when he thinks of Shepherds Chapel or Arnold Murray, it doesn't make him think of Jesus Christ, but instead it makes him think of Antichrist. That's what they seem to be lifting up."
Yeah, well that is what lifts me up, that Murray highlights what will be the greatest satanic deception ever unleashed upon mankind. While the other Churches are asleep at the wheel, having bake sales and bingo nights,or teaching that some evil guy will one day run around the planet making people wear tatoos, bar codes, or whatever their choice of "the mark of the beast" will be for that particular week, and other Churches waiting to be "raptured", there will be those who will see for themselves that the antichrist is who he is. And no, before some clown says we are claiming only the SC teaches that, and that only SC students can be of the elect, or some other foolish lie, there will be those who can actually read, and will know that the time has come to recognize and deal with the antichrist the way the Bible teaches us to. |
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The corporate body of antichrist is already alive on the earth and doing business; just as the corporate body of Christ is.
Edomite/kenites=antichrist Islam=false prophet Apostate Christianity=the whore Together they make up the Beast. |
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if we are in the last days ( and im sure we are) and JESUS is about to come back for the church i am sure that the antichrist is alive on earth somewhere, but i know he cant be reveald till the church is taken out of the world by JESUS. then the evil one will be revealed. i believe in the rapture and i wont be decieved by the antichrist for i will not be here when he is revealed but will be in heaven with the saiants of GOD THE CHURCH
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"if we are in the last days ( and im sure we are) and JESUS is about to come back for
the church i am sure that the antichrist is alive on earth somewhere, but i know he cant be reveald till the church is taken out of the world by JESUS. then the evil one will be revealed. i believe in the rapture and i wont be decieved by the antichrist for i will not be here when he is revealed but will be in heaven with the saiants of GOD THE CHURCH" arron, have you not read 1 Thessalonians 5:1-2? Do you know what the day of the Lord is? How many days of the day of the Lord can there be? Is there more than one? 1 Thessalonians 5:1-2 tells us the day that was being spoken of in 1 Thessalonians 4: is none other than the day of the Lord. This clearly puts the gathering unto Christ at the day of the Lord, Christ's physical return to the earth. The bible doesn't mention any secret return of Christ before the day of the Lord. I realize that what I say will mean nothing to you, but nonetheless, I choose to believe what the bible says, not what some man-made denoms say it says. (Message edited by oneway on December 27, 2007) |
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llm, while I believe there's a literal Satan and return of Christ, you're absolutely right ... Lance fully understands Shepherd's Chapel, and he certainly isn't depressed. I've talked to him personally and he's warm, upbeat and totally at peace with the decisions he's made.
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Satan is a spirit being who never had a physical body/// Jesus had a physical body and was resurrected. I also believe in the literal return of Christ to the earth.
It seems to me that Lance has alot of purging to do. I hope he replaces it with much truth, love and family. |
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satan never had a physical body but JESUS CHRIST TOOK UPON HIMSELF THE BODY OF FLESH IN ORDER TO DIE FOR us and HE WILL COME AGAIN AS PROMISED
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satan never had a physical body but JESUS CHRIST TOOK UPON HIMSELF THE BODY OF FLESH IN ORDER TO DIE FOR us and HE WILL COME AGAIN AS PROMISED
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satan never had a physical body but JESUS CHRIST TOOK UPON HIMSELF THE BODY OF FLESH IN ORDER TO DIE FOR us and HE WILL COME AGAIN AS PROMISED
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Ever wonder how Stage Director seems to know everyone? She claims to know Margie Plummer, who ran that slanderous, deceptive site called "Scripture_truth" at least until she couldn't stand the heat anymore.
Then she claimed to have known someone who just happened to be in Pastor Murray's office and saw some racist book on his desk. Then she claimed to have known someone who just happened to be at the Chapel studio when that nutcase disrupted the broadcast. Then she claimed just recently that she "knows" that the Chapel staff and so may others get drunk at the PO meeting weekends in Branson, though it is highly doubtful she has ever been there. And, if you add the claims that were made in the guise of "Blessedly68," delta_belle58, "Shadowcat" and "rambling_rose" that adds up to a whole lot of simply amazing coincidences that always seem to accompany Stage Director on her cyberspace journeys to nowhere. Now she claims to have spoken to Lance Knight, and just so happened to have spoken to him about his flipping and going back to the apple and talking snake crowd. Seems like Stage Director has found the holy grail of discussion baords: just make outrageous claims and stick to them, and there will always be some saps ready and willing to believe her. Okay, gotta go, I have a personal meeting with Pope Benedict XVI! ![]() |
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I don't know if Satan has any substance to him or not, but I believe he's a real entity.
Smyrna, you're silly. Lance has always been approachable. That hasn't changed. ![]() |
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So what does this Lance fellow believe now that he's rejected SC's teachings?
I read that 3 page link above but I can't seem to follow exactly what he's talking about. |
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Good point Sugarshrimp. Lance Kinght's departure from SC teachings isn't any different than anyone else, other than he had a slightly higher profile as he had his own ministry.
The point I like to drive home is that he didn't take too many people with him, because who wants to go back to the fairy tale, fundamentalist mythologies that have virtually rendered that segment of Christianity ineffectual in bringing the rality of Christ to the world? In addition, this guy has clearly had a meltdown, despite Stage Director's denials. One may not accept some Chapel teachings, but one major part of the SC ministry is to teach a methodology in regard to Biblical studies. As for the link, I didn't read it either, because I don't care what Lance Knight does or doesn't do. However, in the interst of fair coverage, since the detractors sre seemingly fawning over this guy, here is one comment from the SC oriented Elect Forum: Post #5 Friend of the Community Posts: 16 Joined: 18-July 07 From: Central Pennsylvania Member No.: 523 Errm, last I heard.. Lance Knight, head of King's Chapel.. thinks he's Michael, that satan is already here, de fecto, and that the true Christ will soon be here..... which of course, would perfectly set someone up for the false messiah. Also, I'd like to post a link myself, which includes comments that certainly are at odds with Stage Director's: http://biblestudysite.com/answers34.htm Here is a sample: "There are many other bizarre things that Lance Knight has stated; such as saying that the Two Witnesses (of Rev 11) are already here, and that one of them is the Archangel Michael incarnated into flesh;of whom Lance has alluded to himself being! The man has lost it! Oddly, he retains a core of followers who apparently aren't disturbed by his false prophecies and skewed doctrines. Water seeks it's own level, I suppose." No wonder Stage Director likes him. ![]() |
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Of course Lance Knight is approachable. With just about everyone else bolting from this luantic, he's probably happy to have anyone approach him!
Oh, and saving the best for last, check out this link to some other comments about Sir Lancelot and how it was placed "in context" which was actually another meltdown, by Godchild: http://www.factnet.org/discus/messages/3/28014.html Is this funny, or what? ![]() |
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