LaRouche Continued 4

There is much to be said about the preceding posts of the document by Lyn which formed the briefing lead for Dec. 18, but for now:

1. Molly Kronberg and a large number of other Labor Committee members were called to the Alexandria grand jury beginning in 1987, before the Boston mistrial. They were immunized for their grand jury testimony, and a number of them were subpoenaed back as prosecution witnesses for LaRouche's trial, among them Molly Kronberg, Rick Magraw, and Kathy Magraw.

2. LaRouche's testimony in the 1989 New York trial of Robert Primack, Molly Kronberg, Lynne Speed, and George Canning, in its monumental evasiveness, unresponsiveness, near-psychotic grandiosity, and falsity, prompted one of the defense lawyers (I have been told by someone who was present) to comment after LaRouche was escorted off the stand and back to Federal prison, "If I were the prosecution, I'd go out right now and get an indictment against him for perjury."

One of the topics on which LaRouche "testified" in New York was The Check.

He Fought the Law and the Law Won

A few more thoughts--

Doesn't it seem strange (to say the least) that it took Lyn 19 years to reveal the truth about the Alexandria trial?

Imagine! Before that, we were told it was Kenneth de Courcy. We were told it was George H.W. Bush. We were told Henry Kissinger was the reason we couldn't repay those loans.

And now, after all that ink expended on attacking George H.W. Bush--the Bush book, no less!--we find that it was really Molly Kronberg all along. After we spent big bucks putting out the book Railroad too!

It's strange, in retrospect, that Molly and paralegal extraordinaire Barbara Boyd shared an apartment for the six months of the New York trial in 1989, when Barbara must have known that Molly was the reason Lyn was languishing in Rochester Federal Prison.

Strange that the Spannauses didn't shun Molly completely, being as how she was responsible for Ed's being in prison too.

Speaking of oddities, isn't it strange that Lyn blames Ed Spannaus for all the outrages of the Alexandria defense--and yet Ed was the only co-defendant who argued for Lyn to take the stand in Alexandria?

When it comes to Lyn and the Law, it's all Nothing But Strange.

[borisbad]

Absolutely right I remember Emanuel Tremblay, who I believe was a doctor, although I don't recall if he was a physician. I believe he was also dragged up to NH but he may have come later. I also remember singing Le Marseillaise at some of those meetings in NH where there were a number of people of French Canadien extraction.

On the issue of the British raised by dk_70, I think that LaRouche attempted to try and differentiate British which he linked somehow to William of Orange and the Dutch house's takeover of England (hence the British-Dutch references) vs. English, which was linked to people like Shakespeare, Marlowe and the Tudors. Interestingly he also hates the House of Windsor despite their obvious Germanic heritage.

Earlier on he had a more traditional view about things like the British Labour Party (non Fabian). I remember he would suggest that the old comedy "I'm Alright Jack" in which Peter Sellers appeared to be his reference point for the ideology of the British labour movement.

I also remember when we met British subjects at the airports and like places, who we tried to sign up with our pro-Nato appeals, etc. we would say things like "For the English and against the British". Of course to Lyn every idea is posited from the standpoint of his own insane worldview, although of course there are serious arguments to be made about the longstanding influence of British imperialism.

[scrimscraw]

Gee, I certainly missed having the forum up for the last two days, as they went through the process of porting everything over into the new format. But, after changing my password back and forth once again, I finally made it back here. Good luck to everyone else!

The new format will certainly take some getting used to. No longer will we have one long thread going on for hundreds of postings...but apparently a bunch of shorter threads with "replies" to specific short threads. Or so it appears. I'm not sure which thread this reply will be appended to.

I'm not sure who is webmaster of LaRouchePlanet, but the folks here might want to start thinking of an alternate lifeboat for this board, if things get too complicated here.

That said, my appreciation to FACTnet for all they've done and are doing. Change is hard. That's a given!

[scrimscraw]

Originally Posted by scrimscraw

The new format will certainly take some getting used to. No longer will we have one long thread going on for hundreds of postings...but apparently a bunch of shorter threads with "replies" to specific short threads. Or so it appears. I'm not sure which thread this reply will be appended to.

Poking around in my account settings some more, it appears that how one views the postings here is controlled by one's settings. I set them to linear and my "posts per page" to the maximum (40) and it is nearly back to the old pre-switchover look. Given the history of this LHL board and the way the discussions have unfolded up until now, viewing them in this linear mode seems to make most sense.

[scrimscraw]

Among recent ravings from the only competent authority, there's this interesting sequence:

Then, late in the 1990s, when the subsidies to the computer industry were collapsing, under the previous arrangement, then, the computer industry, which otherwise would have gotten suddenly poor, went into mass production of the computer killer-game industry.

They produced this killer wave: We are on the verge of having suicide-prone mass-killers, just like you talk about in the Middle East, inside the United States. These mass-killers will be from our own youth, and they will be from youth who have been indoctrinated in playing computer games. And those who produce these games, are fully aware of this. And our study of case-histories shows that the secret of these games is, the children don't play the games. The games play the children.

One of my experiences earlier in life—oh, a quarter-century ago, or more; back in the 1960s, actually—was, I had been an old chess player. And I got away from it, because I got bored with the game, couldn't stand it any more. I went to all the games. I didn't win tournaments, but I was a blindfold chess player, simultaneous blindfold chess, all these kinds of tricks which I was good at, when I was younger and quicker. But then I said, "I gotta change." So, I looked at the game of "Go." And after a little too much playing the game of Go, I realized what it does to your mind—and I said, "never again!"

Now, the game of Go does not have a bad intention as such. It has a negative effect on the mind. But it does not have a bad intention. Killer games have a bad intention. And the intention which is built into the design of the games, is that you think that the person is playing the game on the Internet? Uh-uh! The game is playing him! And the firm that runs the game, and monitors it, is playing him! Or her.

So the point is, first of all, it has all the defects of Go, with all the necessary moral failures added. Kill! Kill! Game ends! Game ends! Game ends! Die!

I just love the image of the '60s Lyn, bow-tie and all, blindfolded and playing multiple simultaneous chess games. "...all these kinds of tricks which I was good at, when I was younger and quicker." Interesting, in the light of Xlcr4life's talk of LHL's "parlor tricks", that here is one (literally) that Lyn brags about.

But the other thing that struck me here (aside from his interesting condemnation of Go - I wonder what that game's moral failures are?) was his notion that video and computer games companies are intentionally creating future mass-killers:

These mass-killers will be from our own youth, and they will be from youth who have been indoctrinated in playing computer games. And those who produce these games, are fully aware of this.

That's a pretty specific indictment. So where's his proof? I know, I know. He doesn't need any proof. He's above such mundane things.

[scrimscraw]

I guess that like LHL, ex-LCer Webster Tarpley has got a plan to solve everything:

Draft Economic Recovery Program To Stop The Bush Depression

It has stopping all foreclosures for five years, nationalizing the Fed, and a new national network of...wait for it....maglevs!

Maybe he can take over the LC franchise when Lyn departs for the great big funny farm in the sky.

[yamabkad]

Should I start a new thread? This is getting somewhat messy. We can then experiment with the new system on a fresh page.

[scrimscraw]

Something needs doing to jumpstart things again.

[borisbad]

Reads like the early programs that the NCLC used to present in the 60s and 70s to stop the depression. Actually, on the surface, his program makes more sense than Lyn's program does, or at least it seems more coherent (the tax on Wall Street transactions was something that I think Leif Johnson and Tony Chaitkin proposed way back when NYC was facing financial ruin). It sounds more like a program that the SPUSA would float. Question is, who does Webster think will implement such a program?

[sancho]

Let me understand this: this Doofus claims he played two or more people at chess blindfold although he never won a tournament, i.e. with full sight of the board? Sheer balderdash. At best he must have challenged a clump of potzers like himself - and lost all the games.

And then he dismisses the ability to play blindfold as a trick? THEN he says he left chess because he got bored with it, the implication being that there is something wrong with chess ... the problem is HIM: he gets bored with everything, which is why he allows himself the liberty of making sweeping statements in every field of endeavor, because he hasn't the patience or concentration span to stick to anything. The only way he can focus on anything, mathematics, say, is to sex it up with all kinds of twisted weirdness so that it no longer resembles what sane people recognize it to be, then, gargoyle-like, he sits atop this mass of craziness he has mustered and criticizes everyone (including people who have dedicated their lives to a subject) from that loony vantage point.

What a guy!

P.S. Is he dead yet?

[yamabkad]

BTW, Larouche Continued 5 is the new thread if you want to transport this thing over there. Just as startling, memory filled and weird as soon as it gets going.
Its possibly more organized.
If it is becoming so, it might have to do with introducing a new technology to social practice so as to effect negative entropy...

Or maybe its just better software, which is an unpretentious way of saying the same thing.

Heh, on a side note, this better software seems to be configured so that all of us have been on factnet since 1969 which I guess is the 0 date.

[xlcr4life]

I do hope that everyone who has been to this forum reregisters and keeps this party going. Yes, LaroucheaGoGo is still going strong with no end in sight . WE have sooooo much to go over and every day brings new discoveries and old friends who have finally figured out that Lyn really is bonkers and the Bizarro world is not where you want to be.

Many Leesburg members are reporting another increase in the paranoia level as those pesky briefings still make their way out of Leesburg to the delight of us all. The cult has changed a few things in response. Their are diferent levels of briefings one can gain access to. The general version for international use and wide distribution usually has slugs composed of news tid bits you find when you log onto any opening page of your internet provider. This is led by a usual Jeff Steinberg Report to interpret that for the yutes.

Lyn is kept in the basement like that crazy uncle you know about and his words are kept limited as every time he writes, the laughter and giggles shyrocket among the free world who keep tabs on his lunacy. The deadenders in Leesburg are in a panic as they see the whole SS Larouche sinking and they have been grabbing their life savers, otherwise known as outside jobs, in anticipation of the final kerplunk.

Now this is a bit different than in the old days were people would resign and issue resignation letters which would clandestinely circulate among us . We would read them, denounce the departing member as an agent and then call them up to see about leaving as well. Today, the deadenders just stop showing up for anything except dinner parties and holiday bashes to see how thier friends who left years ago are doing and can they give them some job hunting tips. The cult has responded by pulling the plug on current members access to the internal email system to retrieve briefings and memos.

The LYM, clueless as usual, have no idea that there is now a whole subculture of exLCers in Leesburg who do their own thing and just swap tales about what they just read on factnet.org to find out what they never knew happened.

Yep, tha old timer in Leesburg may be smiling at a yute, but, the "balloon" over his head is saying "So long sucker, I am outahere".

Now the BIG question everyone is talking about is how Jeff Steinberg is pulling off a palace coup by doing the "Jeff Steinberg Report" as the vehicle to move Lyn out to pasture so he becomes the more visible component of the cult and brings some of the last remaining intell people with him. Jeff has years of making contacts and he has seen first hand how Webster has his own cottage industry and does not have to split the take with Lyn anymore. I do not see Jeff selling HIS townhouse or timeshare to keep the org afloat.

Should Lyn order an audit to see how much revenue has been shuttled into the black hole of US security instead of going to Europe to help Helga?

We have a lot of questions being raised here. Jeff hangs out with his good buddy Paul G and marvels at how he also managed his own business without having to split the take or the intellectual property rights with Lyn.

I could see Jeff and Michelle taking a few key people from the cult, dumping the whole fakata claptrap and setting up his own consulting and newsletter operation. I have some fascinating blogs to post later about how all of Jeff's contacts from years ago like Willis Carto and friends are doing quite well supporting Ron Paul. They get to be part of a real campaign, with a real elected official and tap into a target audience that Lyn thought he was going to get. For Jeff, this is a no brainer, dump Lyn and the cult and join the people who have stuff to sell to that crowd.

Jeff can write virtually the same material, get rid of the crazy Lyn boat anchor and pick up a niche like Webster has done. No yutes means no chump change, but real income and no massive babysitting fees to keep the yutes from starving till they wise up and leave as they have been doing.

Sounds like a business plan to me Jeff. The yutes have not a clue of the contacts Jeff has who may or may not be offering some deals for him and not Lyn. It would be hilarious to read about how Jeff and Michelle have a few people who boil the LC/LYM membership list to sell subs to the "Jeff Steinberg Report".

Yutes, just look at whom Jeff favors in the WarRoom to figure out who has the inside track.

xlcr4life@hotmail.com

[eaglebeak]

The only thing Jeff isn't taking into account is that he lacks LHL's undeniable cachet--Jeff is a boring note-taker and yes-man who has dreams of Making it.

[eaglebeak]

Zisepsyche: As promised on Kostas/Gus Axios and Ken Dalto--

Gus was the Chief of Staff on the NEC in the late 1970s and especially in 1979-1980--put there by LaRouche, who basically ordered that everyone on the NEC and below defer to Gus in all matters.

After Lyn flung hundreds of thousands of dollars (flouting every FEC regulation there is) into the 1980 New Hampshire Democratic primary and wound up with 19 votes or whatever it was, the organization was in tremendous debt, completely broke, with members living hand to mouth, and deeply demoralized.

Characteristically, Lyn wanted Gus to take the blame for everything he had authorized and insisted on, including the importation from Detroit, where Ken Dalto was NC and then NEC member, of very shady mob-connected "advisers."

Under Gus's oversight, Dalto and the Detroit region had run the NH primary campaign, which wsz a nightmare--some current members permanently lost their health there, and have not recovered in nearly 30 years.

But the Top Dog was not Dalto, nor Gus, but Lyn.

Gus did two things (at least) that enraged Lyn to the point of his announcing--falsely--that Gus had had a nervous breakdown, and to the point of his driving Gus from the org in November 1980.

First, Gus wanted to stop sending so much $$ to Europe and to Helga's amusements and frivolities. In fact, Gus began characterizing Helga as a "Nazi b-tch." (Some of the current members of Legal retailed that line in interesting forms at the time, but have since seen the light, one presumes....)

That was the source of the first blowup. Any challenge to Europe, to Helga, and to unfettered $$ flow to Europe enraged Lyn (at the time. Later he came to hate the Europeans.)

Second, Gus refused to agree that everything he had done financially to the organization, and all the exotic financial arrangements the organization had made in NH, were his idea. He wouldn't take the fall for Lyn before the org or in any other way (legal matters were, as always, involved).

This was what Lyn later called The Axios Syndrome.

I was reminded of this very recently by a former leader of the org who commented that when LaRouche was in Club Fed/Med in Rochester, he commented that what had happened at his Alexandria Federal trial was a case of The Axios Syndrome.

That is, no one would take the fall for him. (Specifically, Ed and Will, the two NEC members on trial in Alexandria, wouldn’t take the fall for him—wouldn’t get on the stand and say that Lyn had nothing to do with any of the loans or financial enormities—wouldn’t fall on their swords for him.) This is, of course, a previous take on the Alexandria trial—previous to the laughable idea of blaming it all on Molly Kronberg.

As the formerly well-connected individual pointed out to me, The Axios Syndrome is not just about those who won’t take the fall for Lyn, it’s about money—where it comes from and where it goes, and Lyn’s involvement in it, and his need for a cover.

Anyhow, that’s who Gus Axios was—Kostas. He refused to take the fall, he challenged Lyn, and suddenly he was no longer Chief of Staff—he was out on his ear, he was slandered as having suffered a nervous breakdown, and he was vilified (Ken Kronberg’s word, years later) as an agent of this, or that, or the third thing, deployed against Lyn from the start.

Ken Dalto was Gus’s protégé, originally from Queens College in New York, who went to Detroit fairly early and became, first, the NC for Detroit, and later—at Lyn’s specific direction, in 1979, an NEC member, the first NEC member who was in the field, rather than in the New York National Office.

This is not the place to comment on Dalto’s personal qualities. He did develop connections to the Teamsters and to other colorful figures in the Midwest. He had notions of the direction the organization should go in which prominently featured himself in the leadership role.

He and his band ran the New Hampshire primary, and brought to it their own curious connections, sources, contacts, and ways of doing things with money.

This was at Lyn’s direction too.

When Gus was driven out in November 1980, Lyn made sure that Dalto was elevated to a position where he and his crew were running the national finances, with all you can imagine that might entail.

The clashes between what were now officially designated as the “two national centers,” New York and Detroit, were endless (interestingly, Detroit printing executives came into New York to breathe down Ken Kronberg’s neck, a particularly tense situation for Kronberg because he and Molly had been in Detroit 1975-77, he as the other NC besides Dalto, and they did not get along with Dalto or the Detroit Region at all).

Anyhow, to make a long story short, in October 1981 Dalto split, taking with him the entire Detroit region, and people in other regions too, for a total of 130 or 150 or thereabouts.

May not seem like much, but when you consider that the org has always been absolutely miniscule, you will see that it’s a lot. Plus Detroit brought in more money than any other region, so it was a blow to the org financially, too.

That’s Dalto.

So there were Gus Axios and Kenny Dalto, there was Gus’s friend Andy of Computron fame, there was the birth of The Axios Syndrome, and 30 years later it’s still Ken Dalto’s fault that the org can’t organize in Detroit, and it’s Gus’s fault too, and Ed and Will were to blame for Alexandria until suddenly Molly was.

It’s fascinating how Lyn obsesses about everyone who ever defied him in any way. He thinks everyone who looks at him cross-eyed is Judas—but somehow, the comparison ends there.

Lyn sits and festers and glowers over all the betrayals, all the blame that is someone else’s, all the wrongs done him. Incapable of understanding how he has wronged others, or that he has wronged others.

In short: a sociopath.

[xlcr4life]

Ahh Detroit, the model region for the LC. The home of a cult of personality within a cult of personality which to this day is a source of scorn and hidden secrets for the LC and the LYM, who are clueless as usual.

Before we start to go over some of what Detroit was about, let us go here

http://www.kendalto.com/professionals.htm

to see a picture of Ken Dalto in his present business.

http://www.kendalto.com/welcome.htm


Ken Dalto was the boss of bosses in Detroit. Like Lyn, he is an imposing figure as he is the big guy with the receeding hairline and mustache standing up.

In the early days of the LC we had yutes we recruited from colleges who were then sent to industrial areas to become true Communist revolutionaries who were hell bent on taking over the world, at least that is what thye thought they were doing. Detroit was runnby Ken Dalto and became a powerhouse region of sorts and the model of what a region should be like.

Dalto was an imposing figure who towered over skinny yutes whose colege degrees were no match for someone like Dalto who was organising the "woikers" AND making money. You see, when the LC first started we had yutes carrying around little New Solidarities for a dime and pocket Campaigners. There were no card table shrines back then and we spent our time at unemployment centers and then going to plant gates for the shift changes to give out lit and make contacts.

Detroit was by far th emost successfull in doing this as they had a lot of organisers and plant gates to use. Back in the mid 70s we would send ops reports of what we did to the National Center for the OPS staff to put together a report. Each office had a "War Room" with a map of the area and little pins placed where we had squads.

Lyn was big on efficiency and when we started to try to sell rather than give away lit we had a formula each field squad would write up and place in the envelope with their money raised.

It went like this.

If you sold 52 newspapers with two organisers in an early morning plant gate for an hour each, the report would say

# of NS (New Solidarity) / # of organisers / Number of manhours .

So our team would be 52NS/2/2

and give the NC an "efficiency number" which was then used to see how the squads were doing and what to yell at the steering committee about.

This later changed to total dollars as we began to sell pamphlets and books along with subscriptions. Thus an airport card table shrine which made 300 dollars all day with 2 organisers in suits would be

300/2/20

Detroit became the envy of the US locals and the standard to which the National Office and Lyn demanded everyone become. Detroit was very innovative in making money and they had a full range of methods such as:

-Doing walking tours in suburbs to sell subs to Fusion Magazine and later War on Drugs magazines by targetting the demographics of the area. No more unemployed freeloaders became our mantra as we went to Bloomfield Hills.

-Doing exit ramps off of expressways in high volume sales while wearing signs and getting a buck or two per car as the goal. We would go to different intersections and time the lights to see which ones gave us the best time/sales figures to do.

-Bumper sticker sales were big, but Detroit hit the jackpot when they printed up bulls eye signs of Khomenhi for us to sell to redneck pickup drivers with gun racks at these intersections. This was while we had hostages held by Iran when Jimmy Carter was the president.

This morphed into field squads who were doing this so much that a subculture in the LC was created and the Detroit members created a song called "Buck a light Jones" to describe an LCer who spent his days trying to get a buck a light for Lyn to be president.

Detroit also started to do airports and I do not know who was the first, LA or Detroit, but they would fly out organisers to other city airports to raise money in cities where we had no offices. This created contact cards for the Detroit boiler room to call up.

Detroit was also where their support team was now making mney and pulling off conferences using War on Drugs as the bait. I think Juan Torres was the head of that and they were now making contacts with religious sectors and the Non Farrakhan Black Muslims. When a poster here mentioned how the LYM he met said that Lyn would organise racists and blacks on the same stage, that was a Detroit view as they would get pretty scary Michigan militia member to be in the same room with Black Muslims about Dope Inc. Of course, having a Jews like Max Fisher as the enemy can facilitate this love in.

Dalto was also very intimidating to members since not only was he tall, made money but also had high contacts in unions and some questionable people. A European leader like Uwe Freisecke would drool at Detroit and tales of their mob comnnected contacts. Dalto became a giant among the NCs when he made it to the NEC level and made damn sure that the skinny nerdy NCs with Kmart shirts saw his show off the latest in Detroit Labor union fashion with rings , suits and unbelieveably creased pants. Dalto was known as the leader with the crease as he would often not sit down so his pant's crease would not be messed up. Dalto shamed other NCs who had junky Larouchemobiles to use that they were nothng as he had a Lincoln Continental for his use.

The Detroit local also planted the seeds of leaving by setting up their own publications with their own printing operation called Renaissance prints. Dalto had a great idea and had his people just make up sales figures to send to NYC which indicated how much LC lit they sold. The actual money raised was perhaps a tad different in what was then sent to NYC. SInce Lyn was seeing money flow from Detroit, eyese were not raised about asking if Detroit was sending all of the money like other regions were supposed to do.

Dalto had his own publications set up, printed and then sold by his members. One was called "ProVest" for producers and investors. Another publication set up was called "American Labor Beacon" which was sold by the regions via their support team boiling union lists. It was quite comical to see may local hoinchos reduced to nothing when the big boys in Detroit would trot out their labor contacts and the money they were getting. Ken would give his people expense accounts which flipped out the local boys.

Detroit also began to get outside work and was now poaching other LCers from other locals. This was pretty interesting as they suggested that locals should send their best organisers to Detroit to get new methods in organising to bring back to their locals. Detroit would then wine and dine the visitors and they would see how well Detroit members lived compared to the dumps they were living in.

With a national conference in Detroit taking place before the 1980 New Hamsphire primary, Detroit was THE place to be. They would have big conferences and di somehting no other region thought off. Ususally, the local would have an event and then try to pry some money out of their supporters who turned up. In Detroit, they would get the money first and then have the person pledge a big sum at the event as if it was spontaneous. If the person was not there, the phone team would just stand up and say that they have a pledge for X thousand dollars from someone who could not make it that night. Uwe F would run the fund raising at these events and think that he was in heaven when the dollars were flowing in. Lyn saw money and some big people like the Teamsters show up to meet him and think that he was King of the World.

Dalto had such a game going on with Lyn and security that they had Lyn ready to have his own presidential retreat in a rented mansion in Bloomfield Hills I think when he needed to get away from NYC and Europe. As this was going on, any NEC or NC member who went to Detroit was given a dog and pony show while Lyn was blasting them for not being like Detroit.

NEC means National Executive Committee which were the highest level members.

NC was National Committee was below that and were often head of the regions and the sectors in the National Office.

IN 1981, all of this changed on Halloween when 150 or so members from Detroit along with their co conpsirators from Boston , Atlanta and elsewhere resigned in a one page resignation letter. Within a few hours, Lyn of course, had known all about it and then used that to explain where all of the money was going and why he only got 19 votes in New Hampshire.

This was all bunk as Lyn was esctatic when Detroit wined and dined him and sent their people to New Hampshire. The operating slogan told to every member who was in New Hampshire was "This is Detroit, shut up and do what you are told".

There is a whole other layer of this to be told, complete with mobsters and us borrowing a 100 K from a loan shark to "fix" the election for Lyn. Ask Barbara Boyd or better yet, ask Rick McGraw about the cash in the brown paper bags mentioned in his wonderfull testimony as a gov witness in the trials.

Detroit became a wasteland for us as Chicago was supposed to set up shop there, but with Shiela Jones at the helm, you can guess how that went. In the end, we pretty much sent you there as a sort of Larouchian Siberian exile of sorts.

Long time founding members Leif and Susan Johnson were sent there. They were given just enough money to rent an apt with no windows but plywood boards with windows painted on them to live in the cold.

There is a lot more other people know about Detroit which can be added. Your present leader in Detroit is Bob Bowen, His wife Susan was featured last year as a THREE DECADE member who was working a card table shrine on the streets. Bob Bowen is a big guy too, don't make him angry as his temper is also legendary, just ask Susan .

xlcr4life@hotmail.com

[sancho]

Wow, Ken lost a lot of hair. I recall, too, that one piece of the Dalto puzzle was his attempt to establish intellectual street cred by having written some rambling tome a la Fearless Leader which was circulating in New Hampshire. I appear to have been one of the few to have read it, but was ridiculed by a member for being an idiot savant (with the accent on idiot) for having done so, but I can't remember his name ...

How does any LaRouche member buy this hyperinflation line? Inflation has risen, but there is no evidence of hyperinflation. Another example of LaRouche's faith that all he has to do is say something to make it so.

[scrimscraw]

Here's a notice from the Nov. 16, 1981 New Solidarity that shows the "Lyn spin" on the Detroit debacle. (This is also a little test of the new board's image imbedding ability.)

[borisbad]

After reading the promo for Ken Dalto, and seeing that he has become a financial turnaround expert, maybe LaRouche should try and hire him to do a complete financial reorganization of the entitites that he ran into the ground like PMR and WorldComp. I'm sure that Dalto would be glad to offer his financial prowess to such an enterprise.

[xlcr4life]

Thank you Scrimscraw. I couldn't quite place the name of the farm report we were putting out at the time. Parity Foundation it is.

What is really funny to think about is that even if we put that in NS, we hardly mailed out the paper.

Lyn would travel around Texas and a few other states with a big ol cowboy hat and talkin about how since he loved to eat, he loved farmers. This was all a farce as the only reason we went through any of this trouble was to see what money and recruits we could get out of the farm sector.

Since many of these farmers were big on the Trilateral Commission and CFR, it was only natural that we went into that area. Out of that layer we quickly sprung the promisorry note trap on a few and the rest is history. One of Lyn's Parity delusions was becoming a gentlemen farmer in Northern Va. Lyn was so concerned about bankrupt farmers and them losing their farms that he conducted a crucial experiment with one farmer we met named Billy Davis. We bankrupted that guy faster then a city slicker banker with a crooked judge as a golf partner after a wheat crop failure.

Since Detroit was now gone, we went into the farmers movements and in particular the AAM.

http://books.google.com/books?id=ST6...RKg1Mpoz9OPvkc

Out of that we picked uo Billy Davis who became Lyn's VP candidate in 1984. Davis basically gave up everything to work with us including his family and savings. He was soon travelling the country where he really thought this was real and soon found out how heartless we can be. Davis was convinced that he was tight with Lyn and was soon planning out how to raise crops and breed cattle on the Club Ibykus farm in Leesburg.

By the time the smoke cleared, Billy was broke, busted and I think left by his family. In the end I heard he was working for a few bucks in Leesburg years ago in a retail store to make ends meet.

All of this which we did always led to someone losing everything and Lyn just continuing along as if nothing happened. We set up a similar fron group, with less success over high interest rates when Paul Volker was running the Fed. We set up some kind of anti high interst coalition with a car dealer named Helstowski I think. I have no idea how much we made off that front group by boiling auto dealer lists.

The lesson for everyone to understand that none of this was designed to actually work. No matter what front group we set up and how smart our members were, the only thing which counted was the cult of personality for Lyn and generating some cash flow.

If it wasn't farms it was high interest rates. I fit wasn't that it was nuclear power. If not that , then the war on drugs. SDI, Russians, counterculture , water supplies.

The yutes are in the exact same treadmill of course, except the carrots on the stick for them are things like:

Maglevs

Mortgage crisis

global warming

economic collapse of course

nuclear war of course

video games

and of course ONLY Lyn can save humanity .

See yutes, that is the formula you need to ask Sky to explain since no matter what variable Lyn uses, it always is the same value of fear and can only be solved with money as the answer.

Let us put this in basic math.

Cult version L x Current Crisis Y x M(yutes) = $

L = latest incarnation of the cult

Y = the topical crisises I listed above like Maglevs or farms.

M = number of yutes raising money

$ = WGI (Weekly Gross Income)

$' = Lyn and Helga expenses and delusions.


From there we can do some gozintas for the yutes.

(WGI - $')/ M x .10(Phil Factor) = 8 Yutes in an apt.

WGI - M(FICA) = WGI since M is whole number of total yutes and FICA often equals 0 in the cult.


This is the math yutes never find out till they leave. All we had was

S/C + V


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