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  • WARNING MIKE BICKLE AT HOUSE OF PRAYER IS A HUGE CULT LEADER

    For more on Mike Bickle and IHOP (formerly called the KANSAS CITY PROPHETS/FELLOWSHIP), go to these sites:

    http://www.christiandoctrine.net/doc...ophets_web.htm

    http://www.tribwatch.com/toronto.htm

    http://wordpress.com/tag/mike-bickle/feed/

    http://www.apologeticsindex.org/b56.html

    etc. etc. etc.

  • #2
    I'm here to tell u that MI

    I'm here to tell u that MIKE BICKLE is a LIAR and IHOP ACTUALLY IS A CULT. I'd been attending their school, FSM (FORERUNNER SCHOOL OF MINISTRY) for almost two years, taking everything in, journaling everything, and TESTING everything against scripture. There are so many false doctrines taught there, its not even funny. For example:
    1. They uphold teachings of Mystics and false prophets.
    2. They teach/practice DELIVERANCE for/on CHRISTIANS frequently.
    3. I've seen "CHRISTIANS" manifest demons more times than i can count.
    4. I've seen/they teach Odd, unbiblical manifestations that they claim are from the "Holy Spirit."
    5. They twist scriptures and take them out of context to fit their wacked-out doctrines and have excuses for everything. The most dangerous being, "The Holy Spirit loves to offend the mind, that's how you know its from God!"
    6. Generational curses being the cause of habitual sin and sickness in Born-again Christians (they blame demons for literally everything!)
    7. Completely unbiblical veiw/practice of "prophesy" which works much more like spiritist, psychic, medium stuff and not actual prophesy. What's worse is Mike Bickle has been proven to fabricate numerous "prophesies" and teaches that its OKAY to falsly prophesy.
    8. Etc

    But this isn't even why I say it is a cult! (YEAH, IT ACTUALLY GETS WORSE!!!)
    As I previously stated, I was a student at the FSM, until a series of events left me in a small office with 3 people. At this pointm I was aware of false prophesies, doctrines, and teachings. I began to warn people, adamently, to "TEST EVERYTHING! Don't believe anything unless u see it, IN CONTEXT, in the Bible. Just because something is real, doesn't mean its from God..." So, leadership obviously got word that I'd been doing this and I was brought into an office.
    In this office, they gave me a laundry list of things wrong with me (mostly from my past), and said that I have a problem with authority. Then they began to use smooth words to try and twist the situation and manipulate me by saying, "It's not your fault, you just need help. But we are for you! We love you! And we are going to help you." This is when they proceeded to tell me that I needed healing and deliverance from the authority issues which stem from having a bad relationship with my dad (which isnt even true). So, in order to recieve this "healing and deliverance" they were going to give me a portion of my tuition money back (i had only been to 4 days of school) and SEND ME AWAY to Toronto, where the Toronto blessing was. They smoothly threatened me not to tell my parents (without them being there) and to recieve this news with "a humble heart" so as not to "speak evil of their authority" to anyone. If this isn't CULT action, then I sure as heck dunno what is!

    Mind you, I had just bought a house that was $1100/mo in rent, so that I could help ihop people in need. I had been mentoring a few of my roomies who were brand new christians and came outta bad living situiations. So THEN, after ALL OF THAT nonsense, they call my roommates into their office, completely slander me, tell them to wait until I am gone, move out of my house, and then send me an email to let me know they've left. They commanded that their meeting be completely confidential from everyone.

    Luckily for me, one of my roommates is not stupid. So she told me everything. But my other roommates wont even look at me. IHOP completely screwed me over! Sick isn't it?!?!?!

    WHATEVER YOU DO, DON'T GO TO IHOP!!! IT IS THE BIGGEST CULT SINCE MORMONISM AND ITS TAKING OVER!!!!!!!!!

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    • #3
      I am glad you started this. We

      I am glad you started this. We have been having our own discussion over on this thread. Mike Bickle and Lou Engle are joined at the hip. Engle does the events like the Call and the Cause and Bickle supplies the IHOP kids. At this section start reading about The Call on 7-7-7 and then move on to The Cause. The events revolve around the prophecies of Bob Jones.

      Thanks for talking about IHOP! and creating this

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      • #4
        Oh, believe me, I know!!!! Lou

        Oh, believe me, I know!!!! Lou Engle and his wife just moved to kansas city (IHOP). So Mike and Lou are now literally joined. Its scary!

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        • #5
          Thanks exihoper, I have taken

          Thanks exihoper, I have taken an interest in these weirdos over the summer, and it is nice to know that my feelings were right about these guys. I was formerly with Maranatha, a campus ministry back in the 70's and 80's. It seems like Sunday School compared to your experience.

          One question...the body rocking dude...Engle? Did you see young people take on his mannerisms? I have noticed what I thought was the same body rocking among some of the young males on some of the You Tube vids.

          Also, what is the demographic of the kids? Most of the Maranatha kids were from stable families, with at least enough money to send them to college. Are the kids like this? Or the other end of the spectrum, runaways? Or something in between?

          Thanks and welcome to fnet.

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          • #6
            exihoper: I have some question

            exihoper: I have some questions, for which I hope you can give some further explanation.

            #1 You said, "They uphold teachings of mystics and false prophets." Would you please share who you believe to be a false prophet(s), and please explain why you believe such prophet(s) to be false - ??? Same for someone who is a "mystic" - ???

            #2 You said, "They teach and practice deliverance for and on Christians frequently." Why is this a sign that IHOP is a cult? Did you know that ALL Christians NEED deliverance???

            #3 You said, "I've seen Christians manifest demons." OK, why is this a sign of a cult? Did you know that Christians CAN manifest demons, because while demons CANNOT POSSESS a Christian, demons can certainly OPPRESS a Christian, for which the Christian would need deliverance, right???

            #4 You mentioned "unbiblical manifestations" that the leaders claim are from the Holy Spirit. What makes these manifestations unbiblical??? Can you share some examples please???

            #5 You said, "They twist scriptures and take them out of context to fit their wacked-out doctrines and have excuses for everything. The most dangerous being, 'The Holy Spirit loves to offend the mind, that's how you know its from God!'" How do they twist Scriptures and take them out of context? What doctrines do they have that are "wacked-out" - ? What kind of excuses do they make specifically? Why is the latter statement that they made about the Holy Spirit such a "dangerous" statement? Why do you disagree with it - ???

            #6 Did you know that a generational curse can exist in families and be the cause for sin??? Did you know there is Scripture support for that???

            #7 You said, "Completely unbiblical veiw/practice of "prophesy" which works much more like spiritist, psychic, medium stuff and not actual prophesy. What's worse is Mike Bickle has been proven to fabricate numerous "prophesies" and teaches that its OKAY to falsly prophesy." OK, do you have any proof of this stuff - ???

            #8 Why do you think your office meeting was "cult action" - ??? Do not cults actually try to keep its "members" rather than sending them away to another city, e.g. Toronto - ???

            Anyways, exihop, if you could answer those questions for all of us, and provide further explanation please, then I would greatly appreciate that. Thank you.

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            • #7
              Hey, JBkrems, what is your rel

              Hey, JBkrems, what is your relationship to this group?

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              • #8
                Bluewater: What do you mean?


                Bluewater: What do you mean?

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                • #9
                  First to answer the questions

                  First to answer the questions of "matt_hatter"

                  Yes, the people at IHOP take on the charactaristics of Engle. When I first started going there I didn't know what was going on. Not everyone does it, but there is a joke going around... something like, "You know you're an IHOPer, if you're rocking back and forth at a resteraunt..." So, the short answer is: absolutely.

                  To answer your second question about the demographic. 80-90% of people here left their family in one way or another to come out here. The story usually goes, "I left my family and am living off support because my parents/church thinks this place is a cult." Then the kids eventualy get their family to come out, and the family moves to KC, or frequents IHOP, and they're one big happy family. Most people I knew were ex-addicts, abused, not very well-off, etc. There were VERY few people that weren't already "down and out" in some way, or just being rebellious. But most of those "normal" people were already part of the charismatic church, so it wasn't a huge difference for them.

                  I hope that answers your question. Thanks for the welcome.

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                  • #10
                    JBK came from the general loca

                    JBK came from the general location of IHOP and has a close friend in IHOP and knows another guy by the last name of Nesbit who was deeply involved with the program called River Flush where people linked to Peter Wagner (the head of the New Apostolic Roundtable?) sent out folks to flush out demons from the Mississippi river system and thus break the power of principalities from the second heavens over the rivers which are a power source and communication network for the demonic. Their trying to save America. River Flush was designed to prepare the way for the Lou Engle/Bickle The Call event on 7-7-7 in Nashville fulfilling Bob Jones prophecies, this event is suppose to turn the nation back to Jesus, then after that there was The Cause an event where Engle took IHOP kids on busses called the Red Ryders out of Nashville to SF to an event called Gods Summer of Love on 8-11-07. This whole thing has Rick Joyner, Bob Jones, Cindy Jacobs, Leonard Jones involved with it.

                    Look this will take all day bluewater2 but lets just say about JBK, he knows people.

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                    • #11
                      At the summer of love event in

                      At the summer of love event in SF on 8-11-07, there was a kid standing in the middle of a round paint splattered peace symbol (about 9 feet across) bobbing like Lou Engle.

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                      • #12
                        How HUGE is this

                        How HUGE is this guy Mike Bickle? What does he weigh? How tall is he? Does he take steroids? Is he a roid head? Former pro wrestler or football player? I'll bet he gained his hugeness from continual eating at one of them International House Of Pancakes. That'll do it every time! http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/smile.gif

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                        • #13
                          Now to answer "JBKrems&#34

                          Now to answer "JBKrems"

                          First, I want to apologize for not initially giving much more detail in my first post. I didn't have too much time, and was only allowed a certain amount of words. That being said, I'm going to have to answer your questions using multiple posts, so please be patient with me.

                          To answer your first question, the part about the mystics:

                          #1 "Would you please share who you believe to be a false prophet(s), and please explain why you believe such prophet(s) to be false - ??? Same for someone who is a "mystic" - ???"

                          Okay, first off, NOT ALL MYSTICS are terrible. I want to make that clear because there are, in fact, many good things to learn from their lifestyles. However, much of what some mystics would practice were not very good. As far as my understanding goes, they upheld all of it, not just the good stuff.

                          .......

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                          • #14
                            Now to answer "JBKrems&#34

                            Now to answer "JBKrems"

                            First, I want to apologize for not initially giving much more detail in my first post. I didn't have too much time, and was only allowed a certain amount of words. That being said, I'm going to have to answer your questions using multiple posts, so please be patient with me.

                            To answer your first question, the part about the mystics:

                            #1 "Would you please share who you believe to be a false prophet(s), and please explain why you believe such prophet(s) to be false - ??? Same for someone who is a "mystic" - ???"

                            Okay, first off, NOT ALL MYSTICS are terrible. I want to make that clear because there are, in fact, many good things to learn from their lifestyles. However, much of what some mystics would practice were not very good. As far as my understanding goes, they upheld all of it, not just the good stuff.

                            we had an entire class devoted to it, called "mystical life of communion"

                            .......

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                            • #15
                              Exihoper: Yes, I'll be pat

                              Exihoper: Yes, I'll be patient with you. Could you in a future post define what you mean by "mystic" and what you mean by "false prophet." Examples or illustration would be nice to support your definition, please. Thanks.

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