Questions for x child members of the cult

[peacefulgrace]

I do got a questions if that is okay. i was wondering how do a person who was raised in the cult get a scoial security number and a copy of a birth sertificate?
i want to go to school aND make a good life for my kids. but i don't know how to get those things so that i can. and how do i get them for my kids two?

[peacefulgrace]

and i was wondering two if when i go to apply for a job what do i tell them when i aint got any experence? wont they ask questions about where i lived and done and that sort of thing? how did you handle it? i don't want poeple to know about my life there.

[smitty]

Peaceful: I don't know about the Birth Certificate, but I think if you contact the nearest Social Security office they can help you get started. Also, since this is tax time, you may be eligible for the Earned Income Tax Credit. This is a real program, where the Fed. Gov't sends you a check if you made under a cretain amount last year. Call someone like H&R Block in the phone book and ask them. Or, get a Form 1040EZ from the Internal Revenue Service.

[smitty]

Hi again, more stuff:

As to education: Look in your phone book for any Community Colleges in your area. They frequently have programs to help people who otherwise can't pay, and there are grants available as well. Go to the local Com. College and ask for the Financial Aid Councellor.Don't worry, it's their JOB to see that people in a fix like yourself get a good education.I know, these were all things I used when I got out so that I could fit in as quickly as possible.

One last thing. Do you have any relatives at all on the outside that you could go to? Re-connecting with them would be the #1 to help you get back on your feet.

[no_stoppin_me]

Peacefulgrace,

I had the same issues when I first left the cult. Go to the local Social Security office and tell them the truth, that you were born in a cult and that you have no birth certificate. They will be able to lead you in the right direction.

As far as a job, if you are only 17 years old, people will not expect you to have a huge job history. I was 18 when I left and I just told my employer that I had never worked before.

There are lots of programs for single moms and lots of help as far as education, too.

It is true that if you had a relative on the outside to help, it would make it alot easier on you. When I left, I didnt even know how to buy my own groceries and I was scared to death of people. If it hadnt been for my aunt, I would have probably never made it.

You can email me privately if you wish.

[hbananna]

peacefulgrace,

If you haven't already, you should get a restraining order against Tony Alamo and the father of your children. Then I suggest you go to your local human services and file for child support. You were never officially married (unless you have a marriage certificate/license from the state) so you would file as a single mother.

Also, you will likely qualify for government support (welfare; which will provide you with some cash and food stamps) and medical benefits for you and your children (in case they need to see a doctor).

I am not sure of the departments in your area but you can begin by searching through this website: http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs.html#walia and going to the sections "Welfare and low income assistance" and "Child Support Enforcement".

If your parents were born and raised, as well, I likely knew them. I have a daughter a year younger than you. I do some research for a living so if you would like me to get you specific phone numbers and locations, let me know and I will be happy to help.

Hannah

[wilma]

Please continue to be CAUTIOUS when dealing with peacfulgrace. There is nothing about her story that checks out SO FAR.
1) Anyone can pick up a Ft Smith phone book and get the # of the Ft Smith police or sheriff office and call and get an officers name. (Who remember, says they know anything about her).

2) Her story about Wellspring doesn't pan out either. Wellspring says there are no Alamo ex-members scheduled to come there.

3)None of our sources closely associated with the Alamo group know of any one having left recently.

4) Since if her story WERE true, Tony certainly knows who she is, WHY would she work so hard to keep us from knowing, when it is a major issue?

5) She is pretty caustic to people who would be a great asset to her in her situation.

6) etc, etc

I personally think she is either fishing for information for Tony (BEWARE) or that she has another angle (I'm pondering). I think we will know soon whether she's legitamate or not. Until then, please be cautious. I think she's playing us!!! If I'm wrong.....I still feel like we should err on the side of caution.

I've got lots of end of term projects and papers due this coming week. I will probably be refraining from Factnet for the most part, unless I just have to comment. LOL

[peacefulgrace]

thaNK you hbanana and no-stopping-me for the information. i have ben so scared bcuz i didnt know what i was going to do to get a job or school. i want to go to school to be a nurse i think. i hav e a ant and uncle in texas but i never met them and don't know how to get intouch with them.

i don't have a marrage lisense . my marrage to me husband was done over the phone with tony . i was told that i was to mary him and that was that. we were maried by tony rite after i turned 14 and that was that.

i will ask the lady i am staying with to help me since i dont drive to get to these places to get assistance. it kinda freaks me out though bcuz i was told so much over and over how bad it is to do that!! but tony lies about everything else so i figuer he lie about that two.

this lady we are staying with said she would like to have a easter egg hunbt for me and my kids if i wanted to do that. i not sure what that is exactly but it souned like fun when she told me some aobut it. so much stuff i mised out on when i was little !

thanks again . i get kinda scared and dont sleep much. every noise i hear wakes me up at night . this is such a change . i feel like i have mised so much and the world scares me. but there is so much i want to do for my babeis. i prayed lastnight and asked god to help me. that helped me some. i feel beter today.

[hbananna]

Susie,

I understand your concern but there is no harm in giving her public information is there? I do believe we should all err on the side of caution when giving out our personal information, though. That is always best practice under any circumstances. If she is indeed a recent victim who escaped than it behooves us to show some compassion, regardless of our suspicions. If she is not who she claims, then the only thing lost is our compassion for her. We can still feel we acted in a Christian way, regardless.

That being said:

Peacefulgrace,

You can find some very helpful contacts below.

http://www.arkansas.gov/dhhs/NewDHS/CountyOffice/DHSCountyOffices.htm go to this website to choose your local area and it will give you all of the contact information for your local Department of Health and Human Service. This government agency provides cash, food stamps, and medical benefits to low income families. You qualify as a single parent. If you never got a marriage license then your “marriage” may not be legal so the father would be considered a “boyfriend” in the eyes of the law.

For another time; you may consider suing him for child support. If he doesn’t pay he will go to jail. The payments are made through an agency so you wouldn’t have to see him, especially since he is abusive and you have it documented. The information is below.


http://www.arkansas.gov/dfa/child_support/ocse_offices.php go to this website to choose your local area and it will give you all of the contact information for your local child support office. They will help you fill out the application and then they file it and process all necessary documents to get the father of your children to pay for support for the kids.

[no_stoppin_me]

Peacefulgrace, How old are your babies?

[peacefulgrace]

wilma-
i am sorry you feel the way abuot me. i dont know what caustic is but when i first cxame here to tell what i ben thru i wasn't welcome and got defensive bcuz i was caled a lyar by people. i didn't feel like i need to tell eveyone who i am. i know tony knows i am not there. but i hAVE my babies to think of. i haven't ben out long and i am scared. i got upset and creid and got so mad bcuz of the way i was presured to tell who iam.

i wont do tha t till i know people can be trusted. i wish you understand why.

i dont lie. never! i aint working for tony. i hate him!!!!! i aint playing no games neither. but you gonna think what you want and that is up to you. i gotta live my life and try to make somthing out of the mess that it is. no mater what anyone think of me.

i allready told you on another thread that i didn"t have a trip to wellspring schedule yet.

and i didn"t look up the numnber to the police. i got det. hicksons number rite here on the card he gave me.

i'm not goingt o let you upset me anymore. i ask god to forgive me for getting mad . and i ask him if he is hearing me to forgiev poeple who say bad stuff abot me . i came here for support. i dont want nothing from you. but i wish you'd leave me allone with the acqusations. i have enough going on withougt feeling like i got to defend myself against a bunch of poeple who saay they are here to help.

[peacefulgrace]

thank you tewo smitty for what you told me above. i forgot to inclufde you in my reply.

[chevelle]

peacefulgrace....you know good and well that you are a liar. You are playing some of these people real well though. People in the church do not talk the way you are coming across on this board...I bet you sit there laughing everytime you stir up some of these people don't you?

[peacefulgrace]

no-stopping-me
my oldest will be 2 soon and my youngerst is 13 months old. i love them so much. i hope i can do rite for them. i dont want them to end up like me some day. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/sad.gif they gotta have beter.

we must be on here the same time. i look up and there more to read.

[peacefulgrace]

your anasty person chevelle! i don't laugh when i come here. i mostly cry. i supose you will be cxrying with tony though when oyu go to hell for all thestuff you do to poeple~!!

[weaned_child]

Concerning the child-support, I say go for it, ‘peacefulgrace’

For sure child-support is something TA and most ‘old-timers’ who worked in the foundation’s ‘office‘ were familiar with.
This is from ‘bill_l’s post dated Monday, October 31, 2005 – 7:57 pm:

"Oh yes are hero tony baloney instead of getting a job and paying his own child support made the people at the church pay it."


Make that weasle pay, and pay, and pay some more!

[iasmann]

Personally I can't see any reason to doubt peaceful grace.

Organizations like wellspring cannot give out patient information without their consent. I would be very surprised if they had told you she was scheduled to come as it is frankly none of your business or mine for that matter. It is also illegal and people can lose their jobs for divulging confidential information. Nor are the police supposed to give out info to people who are not involved in an investigation so making calls and finding out nothing doesn't surprise me.

People leaving the foundation are in a high state of stress and don't always do what makes sense to those of us who have been out for a while. There are people who have left and don't want anything to do with anyone or anything from the foundation 20 years later. some still have unlisted numbers 20 years later because of some fear of being located by Tony or the Vatican or someone from the foundation. So what if she wants to keep her identity secret I don't care.

I can't see any reason why Tony would benefit from peacefulgrace's defection. Nor do I see Tony putting that much trust in anyone to let them go out on their own and contact the police etc. without him having control.

Also if for some reason she is some kind of Vatican style sleeper agent/plant I would rather give her the benefit of the doubt. If she were to betray us then we would be in good company. The company of the Lord.

But if she is legit and we betray her for whatever reason we are now in bad company. The company of Judas and I might add the company of Tony.

I for one support you peacefulgrace. If I can do anything to help you I will.

[no_stoppin_me]

I agree with you, Iann 100%. Like Hannah said, if it turns out to be a fake, what have we lost really?

As ex-foundation members, I feel it is our duty to do whatever we can to help people who escape the dark clutches of Tony Alamo. I feel especially strong about helping "kids" who leave, since I was there once too. It is one thing to leave the cult as an adult, having at least some idea of how the "real world" is. It is completely another thing to leave, having been raised in the cult all your life.

Not only do you struggle with starting a new life, but you struggle with whether or not you will burn in hell for leaving (like you have been told all your life.) You have left all you have ever known, all your friends and in some cases your family.

Peacefullgrace, under no circumstancs should you let your "husband" have any contact with your children. I dont know if he knows how to contact you, but trust me, if TA gets a hold off your children, you will never see them again. He will do it just for spite, not that he cares one bit for your children. Protect them at all cost and never let them out of your sight!

[smitty]

Peaceful- Please don't forget, go to Soc.Security first thing Mon.and get that number, then get tax form 1040EZ (talk to H&R Block or other tax preparer) and get it sent in by Mon. 5:00p.m. so you can qualify for the Earned Income Tax Credit. It will mean a quick $1500.00 or so for you to use, and I for one don't object to my tax dollars used this way. Good Luck

[internuncio]

Come on! PeacefulGrace, I know who you are and I have made a phone call to your mommy to tell her you are being a bad girl again!

Time for you to stop playing with people's emotions! If you do not stop right now I will be forced to show evidence to these poor people wich will confirm that you are a fake! The ONLY thing you have said since you started your silly game is that you are still only a child in many ways! This is your ONLY warning!

Nuncio

[smitty]

Internuncio: You spoke to her Mom? I thought she was raised in the Foundation. What's your information? I really want to err on the side of compassion, but if you have proof otherwise, let us know now. Thanks...

[chevelle]

told ya!!!!!

[peacefulgrace]

internuncio-
i dont know how youd makea call to my mom bcuz she died of breast cancer when i was 3years old. she left the foundation and when i was 10 or 11 i asked my dad aobut her and he saids he died. you are a filthy lyar!
and i am not a chil d home allone playing games. yuou speak for satan when you lie and lie! i am 17- will be18 in august, the mommy of 2 chilren. you are mad bcuz i figured you out and wouldn't give you any infomration about me!
and yes i told you id have to figure out how to copy and paste. you also know i am staying wiht the lady who has ben helping us. shes rite here. and she has showed me how to get emaill adress, how to copy paste and she ben helping me learn computers. i know i type bad. i get in ahurry and dont do good. i alos need to learn how to better speel. i talk good but need lots of practice with reading.
im not from some slum. i guess the foundation could be caled a slum tho.
the more you talk the more yuo reveal who you are REALLY!!! yoiu are a nasty person!!!!!

internuncio-or shoiuld i call you SATAN?!?!?! you need to leave me allone! i did nothing to you but called you on your lies-like now-and your triks.

do you get a funt ime out of picking on poeple? is papa tony proud of you? is it hard working for botrh sides?

get thee hense satan!!!

[internuncio]

Okay PeacefulGrace, Here are the FACTS. No one who was born in the church 17 years ago was orphaned by her mother. There is not a single girl who was born in the church 17 years ago who was raised by her father because her mother left, except ONE girl but she married a younger boy and she was only 12 or 13 when she was married to him. She would not be 17 right now either. Most likely she has more than two children at this point by her young husband.

NOTHING you say is true.

I am not satan's whore, or whatever you so eloquently said. In every post you have ever made.... going way back BEFORE Thanksgiving or Christmas you have ALWAYS reverted back to name calling and religious stabs... in other words, you consistantly say that people are used of satan and you rebuke them, as if they are the devil. I understand, this is all you know. After being raised in that hell hole you can't possibly know any better. It's so sad, really.

I will not expose you on this message board. Out of respect for your family.

I will warn you however, you are transparent and it is only a matter of time before you are found out by people who you deffinately do not want to know what you are up to!

[hbananna]

It is obvious by the posts that this person is a young uneducated person. If she is indeed coming on this site for her kicks, it is very sad. There are so many people waiting to hear about their loved ones and it would take an extremely inconsiderate person to pull off a scam of this nature. What could they benefit? It isn’t even worth a laugh. Children her age should know their limits and should feel guilt and shame at this point.

I know I am one of many waiting to get answers about this person’s motive. If she is false than she should feel ashamed but if she is true than she needs our support.

Enough is enough of this speculation.

Nuncio,
You are so certain about this person’s identity? If you have proof you should expose it. I know you feel you need to respect her family by hiding her identity but after this nonsense the truth needs to be told. Her family should keep her in check. We deserve to know enough to determine for ourselves whether she speaks the truth or plays a game. Please tell us what you know.

[internuncio]

HBanana,

I understand exactly where you are coming from, truly I do. This girl has family members who are dependent on her anonymity. She is a foolish child. I believe she played a game that turned on her.

My private email is available if you want to contact me off the board.

[hollydolly]

madonna.........playground.........listen to this song if u are one of the "kids"

[internuncio]

Holly,

That song used to make me feel very emotional. I could picture The Ridge, and all of the kids up there playing, when I heard that song.

That song would be perfect to go along with a video of the place where the kids were raised.

[internuncio]

Here are the lyrics for
Playground By: Madonna

Chorus: This used to be my playground
(used to be)
This used to be my childhood dream
This used to be the place I ran to
Whenever I was in need
Of a friend
Why did it have to end
And why do they always say

Don't look back
Keep your head held high
Don't ask them why
Because life is short
And before you know
You're feeling old
And your heart is breaking
Don't hold on to the past
Well that's too much to ask

Chorus

No regrets
But I wish that you
Were here with me
Well then there's hope yet
I can see your face
In our secret place
You're not just a memory
Say goodbye to yesterday (the dream)
Those are words I'll never say (I'll never say)

This used to be my playground (used to be)
This used to be our pride and joy
This used to be the place we ran to
That no one in the world could dare destroy

This used to be our playground (used to be)
This used to be our childhood dream
This used to be the place we ran to
I wish you were standing here with me
This used to be our playground (used to be)
This used to be our childhood dream
This used to be the place we ran to
The best things in life are always free
Wishing you were here with me

[peacefulgrace]

i havent ben on this board be four internuncio! NEVER. not b4 christmas or thanksgiving or any ohther time! NEVER
you keep writting me emaills saying I am some SAVannah person and I am NOT! you are the lyar! but bcuz poeple here allready knew yuo or didn't want to beleve me they are quik to beleve any story you tell them.

i have ben 100 % h onest with you. I never lyed. never made up stories. never ben on this board be four.
you have atacked me sense the firsat time i posted here internuncio-wich was all most a week ago-not some time back in your tweisted imagintion!poeple here might think ouy are this nice person but i know yuo are a LYAR! yuo know yuo are a lyar! God knows yuo are a lyar! yuo may not think any thing of what yuou are doing. but if anyting i know is true-if yuo falsly acquse somoene, if yuo lie, yuo ARE NOT doing god's work.

yuo are not going to hurt me anymore. I am NOT playing games!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lye all yuo want!
and i have gave some infomration to somoene abuot there family. but i did not ned to do it here to please yuo.

now LEAVE me allone!!!!!

[internuncio]

Wow... back to the illiterate fake again.
Seems like every other post you get litterate then loose your ability to type suddenly.

There was no mention of anyone named Savannah on this message board. Maybe you should just stop now, while you still can.

[internuncio]

Oh, one last thing, FOR THE RECORD, I have personal emails sent to me by PeacefulGrace and she is completely and totally literate! She did not even mis-spell a single word!

This whole thing is a waste of time and energy, unfortunately!

[peacefulgrace]

yuo are a lyar internucio! yuo have sent my emaills saying thaT I am somoene name savannah. may be not on this board did yuo say it but yuo try be somone diffrent here then who yuo are in emaills.

yuo are a lyar and a fake.
keep going with your lyes. then one day yuo will be a lonely old man/woman just like yuor god tony with no one auround who actualy loves yuo but just ferars you.

my first name starts wiht "C".but if yuo think i am going to tell yuo what my name is-liek you have wanted all allong from the fisrt time i posted here-yuo are CRAZYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!

anypne that earns my trust -i will be glad to tell them who iam.
i feel bad for yuo. a grwn up who keeps hurting a teen ager.Yuo must have a lonly life! I feel bad for yuo.

and like i sayd all allong-i know i don't type or speel good. maybe if i had ben able to go to school for real id be beter. one day i will get to do beter. but being educated dont make yuo smart. YUO ARE A GOOD EXAMPLE of that, Nuncio/NUtso!

[peacefulgrace]

heres the emaills nuncio send me. who is lying?????

From: Internuncio2U@aol.com View Contact Details Add Mobile Alert
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 00:27:39 EDT
Subject: Re: it is me peacefulgrace from factnet
To: peacefulgrace06@yahoo.com

Savannah,

Does your mommy know you are up right now and playing online?
I think someone should call her and let her know

In a message dated 4/16/2006 12:16:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, peacefulgrace06@yahoo.com writes:
I am NOT Savannah! Leave me allone NUTSO.NunCIO

Internuncio2U@aol.com wrote: It's okay Savannah, since you listed the name of a detective and he has been contacted by people on the message board he is now looking into all of you "allegations". It is not just me who is aware of you, now the authorities are aware of you.

I will not out you, but you should stop posting as PeacefulGrace.
Your plan has backfired!

Nuncio

In a message dated 4/15/2006 5:40:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, peacefulgrace06@yahoo.com writes:
my name is not savanah!!! not even close! you need to leave me allone!!!you lie and lie!! your not the nice compasionate person you want others to think you are. you are a gross person!! i am going to contact the admin on the site about you and i am going to aks this lady if she can help me find out who you are!! i am contacting aol!! i dont want to here from you no more!!!! leave me allone!!!

Internuncio2U@aol.com wrote: Savannah,

You are a rude kid! You don't want to given any information on yourself because you are a fake liar! You have messed with everyone's emotions long enough. Stop it!!!

Nuncio

In a message dated 4/15/2006 12:14:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, peacefulgrace06@yahoo.com writes:
i dont see what was rude about what i said below. i just think that maybe you didnt have any information after all but bcuz you have been trying to get me to give you deatiled infomration sense i got on the board and i wont give it to you that you are the one with an atitude. mayb e you thought i d give you more info in emaill. not a chance!!
like i said on the board and on here-i dont trust you. you have been rude to me sense i first posted on the board. i gave you a chance by giving you an emaill address and you have failed again to prove you were worth the time. i wonder-i don't see you cussing and stuff on fact net. i think you are the one who needs help.ive never called you a lyar as you have done me. i hope you dont have kids who ever you are! you are a nasty person!!

Internuncio2U@aol.com wrote:
I don't need the attitude.
Just forget it.
I could understand a person being deffensive or protective
but you are just plain, flat out rude!
I hope you aren't this rude to who ever it is that is helping you.
Take care.
I wish you luck.
With your <font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font> attitude you will need it!

peacefulgrace06@yahoo.com says:
here you go. this is the second one i sent you. if you need pro0f of the other one i can figure out how to copy that and resend it.
the information you wanted to give me. i'm waiting.
`peacefulgrace

[habadasher]

I dun no? Somswing sound ishe abot Peacewadee!

[hbananna]

I agree somewhat with christophr in his posting about this board.

We all come here and read what people have to say, some respond, most don't. We all want Bernie Hoffman brought to justice but very few are actually doing something to that end. The media (or talk shows) won’t hear our story based on one person’s account yet nobody has organized the many ex-members to tell their stories.

Those of you born and raised should take advantage of the moderator’s offer of compiling our stories for the national press. The more people (and victims) who come forward with their first hand accounts, the better our chances are of getting our voices heard, as well as successfully and officially documenting incidences that can be used against this creep.

I know it is like opening an old wound to have to tell some of your horrific stories of abuse but it is the ONLY way to get other people interested in doing something to bring this egomaniacal clown down. The more people whose ears are assaulted by the very perverse nature of some of these testimonies, the better chance we have as an outraged community, to see justice served. We outnumber them. They are small in numbers and can not think for themselves. He is the head of the snake that must be lopped off.

I am a strong advocate for children’s rights. These helpless souls are our future. What does it say to them to sit by day after day as they are abused and can not defend themselves? What kind of future are we, as a society, going to expect? Children need a voice and these poor children in this cult need OUR help. When you lay your head down tonight, remember that one of those innocent children may be getting the crap beaten out of them or may be on their 5th day without food, or God-forbid in Bernie Hoffman’s bed.

It just makes me sick to think about it.

[peacefulgrace]

thnak you Smitty for all your advise. I did like yuo said., and went to social security office. They are helping me get all the paper work i need. I couldn't beat the dead line for the tax year but that okay. Im getting help with money from the lqdy me and the kids are with. she s ben very good to us.
i also went tothe adult education center. they are going to help me with my schooling.

and i start counseling in a few days. wellspring will come later. but i got a good start i think.

i just wanted to let you know that you r advise was very good and apreciated. i won't be on the sight mucvh any more bcuz of things that were said about me. but i wanted to let you know thank you.
hope you had happy easter.

[smitty]

Happy Easter to you as well and Good Luck!

[internuncio]

She wont be on (much) any more because her mother and father told her she is NOT allowd to be on! I got that from a VERY reliable source.

PeacefulGrace, You are a waste of time!

People, think about it... If a person just got out of the church and had been beaten and had 2 little kids to think about WHY would they come on here and behave the way this girl has behaved? Why would she not reach out for help form all the hands who have reached out to her??? Why would she act like her biggest problem is that people want to verify and validate that she is telling the truth? Why would EVERY single thing that she posted be confirmed as an out right LIE???? She didn't just tell ONE lie... EVERYTHING she has said has been a LIE! No WellSpring... No Detective... No hospital report.... No Police report.... Even the newest people to leave the church (with in the last week) say that NO ONE was recently kicked out, or recently left, fitting ANY of the descritions told by this illiterate LIAR! How many of you were there within the last 17 years? Do even ONE of you know of a kid born who's mother died of breast cancer... or for the benefit of the doubt because we all know Tony Alamo lies about people's parents being dead... Do any of you know of a little girl who's mom left her with her dad??? NO!!!! I can name right here every kid born or brought to the church during the time that this girl says she was born and NOT EVEN ONE of those kids fits this girls description!

I apreciate all the people here who want to help. Hey, even I want to help. What I want more than that, at this point, is to open your eyes that ths girl is playing a very sick game! I believe I have sufficient proof of who this girl is. I have NEVER told who I think she is on FactNet. She has done that herself. She has done it to prove that she is not that person because you are all supposed to think, WHY would this girl out herself this way?! Well people, she is a foolish little girl, that is why! Look at all her other posts. Look at everything she posted when she was NFly and when she was WindyCity and when she posted as Chevelle!

My desire is that she would STOP getting on here and leaving that inkling of hope dangling in everyone's face. Hope that someone actually got out and is standing up for themselves and for others.

We should all hope that it will happen but stop hoping and believing that this girl is the real deal! Because the overwhelming evidence shows that she is NOT!!!!

[hollydolly]

i actually agree with u internuncio

[smitty]

O.K., O.K., I get it (altho' I'm surprised you've I.D'd her as WindyCity!).I figured if she was legit, the advise would do her good. If not, well, nothing lost.

[peacefulgrace]

you are a very sad and pathetic person, internuncio. you haven't got any proof that i am someone called nfly and whatever. becuz i am NOT. i am not savannah. i am not a lyar. i am not any of those things you say.

you ask why wouldn't iu come here for help if i am just free?

hte answer is simple: becuz of YOU. and those like yuo. you lie abuot me, yuo like to make fun that i do not speel good or type good, yuor talk is NOT of a christian-but of the enemy who is darn mad that i am on here making your papa look bad.

the more yuo foul motuh me the more yuo reveel who yuo really are. i am not fooled by yuo. i sayd at bginning i think yuo are not trustable. yuo pull wool over other poeple eyes -but me? no. i know who yuo are. the same evil i escaped, the same abuse-that is yuor testimony here dealing with me.

yuo say yuo want tohelp. help yuorself fisrt. ask yuorself why yuo need tohurt smeone else who never done nothing to yuo. ask why yuo need to insult and hurt a 17 year old. ask why, why, why....when yuo get yuorself figured out, only then can yuo do anything to help soemeone else. yuo are a mess.

yuo spoke yuo say with det. hickson. does it mater to me if yuo believe me? NO. i know my life and what i ben thru. i know the hell that is alamo and his cult of backstabing, lying, child beeting, child rape, yes men. the samae games yuo play here internuncio-are the ones tony and his army of lyars play every day. yuo lkearned well. if yuo are no t there no more, yuo got allot to learn still and can't be no help to me. i want toforget abuot that place and those poeple as fast asi caN,so ican move on with my life and do beter formy future and my babies.

yuo grasp at straws and come up with dust.

it funny that yuo think i am some chevele or windy city. chevele insult me and called me lyar two. you think i insult myserlf?

the poeple i am in contact with on this site, it dont need to be brodcast to yuo what we say or what i tell them or who they are.

insult my speeling all yuo want. i know i didnt get good schooling there a tthe foundation. who is to blame? the student of the teaCHER? i have what the expert here think is dyslexia. i will learn and i will do beter. will yuo allways be this pathetic, angry person?

yuo keep pointing finger at me that i am bad-that is a tony move. he like to do that to keep atnention off himself.

i think yuo are the one poeple need to watch out for.

hope yuo enjoy prison by the way.

[cja]

I agree w/u smitty. nothing lost if she's not legit.

[wilma]

Tonight I went to the Performing Art Center with my Mom, 2 sisters, and my neice. We saw Joseph and the Technicolor Dream Coat....it was a hoot!!!! It's so nice to be NORMAL and do normal things with your family...something we were never allowed to do while under Tony's domination. Thank God for freedom!

Hey, Smitty, all the good advice given to PFG by various posters is not in vain. It is still there to be used for REAL people who need help getting on their feet when coming out of the Foundation. We all want to help people coming out of there get on their feet, financially and emotionally.


IT's been hard for many coming out with no job history or resume, no education, no credit history, no money, etc. Some had cut off their families. Plus, many left the Foundation feeling like they were doomed to hell for leaving. It's just the grace and mercy of God that so many of us have been successful.

When we left the Fnd, we paid our first months rent and got a frig, washer, and dryer with our tax refund from Pete driving truck. We were fortunate to have the emotional support of other former members to help us when we first left. Tony asked us to come back and gave us a deadline....but we just ignored him ;-) From there another former member helped us get better work and move back to Florida. Pete and my family welcomed us with open arms....but we didn't want to ask them for help or say anything bad about the Foundation. We persevered and have been successful. We have a wonderful relationship with our families. God is good!

[no_stoppin_me]

Peacefulgrace,

Did you tell the officer about the child-rapes going on in the Foundation by Tony? What about the beatings?

Can you confirm the statements that have been made on this board about the young girls that are taken into Tony's house?

Is it common knowledge in the cult?

[peacefulgrace]

no-stopping-me,
i told the police everythnig. the night at the hospital, i burst. i told the doctor who was there, the nurse who was in the room with me and my babies. the doctor name was dr. james wilson. he aksed me befour thepolice got there how i got my injurys and i told him ithapen all the time there. that is when police got called. i told the police and detective abuot all the girls tony has at his house that are his wifes and concubines. i told them two that the beatings hapen all the time for any reeson. any one ask questions, tony say they are a weesel, or rebelious like he use to call me-they get beat or are in ward or cut off from the other poeple in the foundation. moved to a new place and left there-cut off. it use to be the child ren got beat mostly. now the adults do two. it hapen all the time. any one get on here and say they dont are lyars. tony call it being 'smote' when he ordors a perosn get beat.

everyoen know abuot tony having mmore than 1 wife. it has ben comon nowledge since it started. iwas a litle girlwhen it started and i remmember.

tony dont come right out and say he got all those girls there to pleese him, but it is somthing everyoen know abuot. he like to say the girls are brouhgt in to be schooled or as playm ates for the other kids. but ithink every one know they are his play mate. i new it. poeple would wisper abuot it but no one come right out and say it. theyd be in big trouble if they did. poeple dont talk much tto each other there. poeple mostly keep there heads down and say nothing. easyer to stay off report or out of trouble with tony that way. every one worried abuot there own backs.

the girls are used to give birth tothe next gineration of alamo-ites. that is abuot the only way tony will ever get that place-his "church" to grow- by the members having babies.

it is sickning how it operates. tony-worship is all it is. tony the pupet master and everyoen is on his string. so many are convinceed that tony is hearing from god on everythin g. i dont think they got any dissernment of there own. but i know how that work. tony say everyon e is not holy enough to hear from god.that he is the chosen mesenger of god with the only true mesege for the church in these final days. that he was given this job by god and he only can here his voice. poeple there live to do tony's will-not god's.

[raining]

can you name tony's many wives? and their ages?

[beccasue1975]

Can you also tell us who beat you, before you finally left the church? Also, do the young girls who are given in marriage to old men get to have real weddings? Who chooses who everyone marries? Are they allowed to choose who they marry still or does Tony choose who marries who?

[peacefulgrace]

no real wedings. tony gives the go-a head. im pretty shure he tells who to mary who. my husband sayd that god told him that i was to be his wife . noone ask me though. tony sayd he prayed abuot it and god suposedly sayd that my husband was teling the truth-that we need to get maried.

my husband beat me. suposedly tony told him i was being rebelious and need corection.

also raining-
i dont remmember everyone age. never ben good at that, but the names i know are tony wifes are:
deseree k.
jamie r.
misheal
lydia
lizzy
angel
sharon
katrina
jeanette
pebbles
amy
* im not shure amy is still tho.
those are the ones i remmember off the top of my head.

[hollydolly]

wow you spelled all their names correctly.........i don't know but that is odd to me........hmmmmmmm

[hollydolly]

oh and i would think that reading our posts would be harder than writing if you are really that uneducated

[internuncio]

Interesting that she hasn't named any new wives. All of those were wives from 2 years ago!

[peacefulgrace]

i had help hollydolly. i dont ask her allot bcuz hse got her own stuff to do.

internuncio- sorry but yuo aint worth ansering any more.

[peacefulgrace]

readin gall the posts is hard. but i take my tyme. some of it i get rite away an ds ome of it i have to read over allot.

[raining]

Katrina has been gone from the foundation and Tony's house for ten years this month!

[raining]

PFG-
You stated that you recently left the foundation, and in the above post you posted Katrina as one of Tony's wives! By that post it confirms that you are a liar and a fraud and probably never lived in the founadtion.

I know that Katrina and the rest of her family left the foundation 10 years ago this month!

You keep getting on this board and go to great length trying to convince us of your validity.In my opinion, PFG is a fraud and a distraction and time waster on this board.

By the way your phoney broken English and bad spelling was most definately not a product of the foundation school!! Most of the kids were extremely smart and very well educated - when it came to grammar and spelling!

Your story is a fake!

Now that you are exposed for the liar you are, it is time to get back to exposing that self appointed, self-anointed "world pastor" Phoney baloney Tony Alamo, the false prophet. He is a lying, child abusing, pedophile rapist that is trying to fool some into thinking he is some type of holy person.

Our goal is to keep informing the world via the "world wide web" of facts and crimes that Tony Alamo has and is still doing!

[peacefulgrace]

im no lyar raining. i was ask question abuot tony wifes. i ansered best i can-like isaid off top of my head. i remmember her name and post it. like his other wifes even if they not there no more orr he tired of them.

also abuot part where i am aqcused of lying abuot schol. it seem i am not the only one who say the schol there is bad. read posts above mine. and i aint blameing all my bad speeling on the schol. it was bad yes-but like i say befour it never make sense two me-and i strugled allot.my speeling is very bad. i know that. but when i talk it is normal. readign and riteing-very bad. but if any one talk two me they dont know i strugle with the other .

the boys get schol over in ahouse on north fort smith. i was a rider few times when lunch got taken two them and it seem the boys work more than learn. i seen them allot out side working in yard .

i dont care who call me lyar. i know the life i lived there and i know where i ben. so what yuo dont belief me. yuo think i gonna lose sleep over it? god know my heart and where i stand.

i never came here to distrack like yuo and wilma aqcuse. i came here for one reeson only . poeple asked me questions soon as i came here and i ansered. if not for the 20 questions-i probly not post so much. if the poeple who own factnet want me to go, i go. but this aint yuor bored to do with what yuo want. and yuo are not boss of me so if yuo have problem with me being here it is yuor problem.
yuo just got a bug up yuor back side that i wont tell yuo my name. that take trust and yuo aint earn it. i dont see no rule any place that say i got two. this is free u.s.a. and i dowhat i pleese.
sad how many poeple on here left the foundation and insted of clinging to god when they need him most they spit on god and on aNY one who try to do what is rite.
this site and yuo foul mouth poeple and bad atitudes-yuo will never get anywehere with yuor atitudes.
anyone i ever meet who escape there want to know a place for help-i will make shure they no not to come here.

[beccasue1975]

PFG,

I used to babysit in the nursery back when you were just a baby yourself. What year were you born? I wonder if I ever babysat you??? I was a kid meyself but I used to love taking care of the babies. My sisters are also your age so I bet I used to change your diapers.

Email me at BeccaSue1975@aol.com to talk, if you want.

[peacefulgrace]

beccasue1975-
hi. i was born aug. 19 1988. i be 18 this year.

[internuncio]

There were 4 little girls born August 1988 in the Alamo cult. Bridget Ecelbarger, Alys Ondersack, Roxanne Hagen and Sarah Scheff.

[cja]

what is the point in bashing peacefulgrace due to her lack of education? Isn't that what we are coming to this board for is to HELP these victims???? I don't know about you guys. It's not a supportive team to me! If she's legit .....well, it's sad and I want to help her.

[raining]

PFG-
I never asked your name, and honestly I don't want to know it. I also don't care if you post or you don't post. Isn't America great- I love the freedom of speech!

[skeptik]

Sarah Scfeff: any relation to Dave Scheff?

[cja]

yes, that's dave and mary jane's youngest daughter.

[hollydolly]

someone coming on this board and making stuff up really <font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font> me off...........and apparently other people don't like it much either

[daddys_gurl]

What ever happened to Gina?? Does anyone know her whereabouts??

[skeptik]

So Scheff's still there? I remember him, having met with him and spoken with him. He seemed reasonably friendly as far as an OC could be, but at least he didn't try to sweat me about moving into the Foundation.

[skeptik]

And just to prove that I'd talked with him and got to know one another, I remember he said that he was from Massachussetts (Newton, as I recall), his father was an attorney, and he had a brother who was either also an attorney or was a physician.

Ya, for me he seemed rather reasonable and quite intelligent and perceptive, not as squirrelly and condescending and patronizing as some of the other OCs I knew.

[iasmann]

Yeah, reminds of the hillside strangler. He wore a jacket and tie and had police ID. He talked real nice to the girls too. You know the rest.

Scheff's stepdaughter Gina was the one Seago dumped in a motel along with his own baby child because she was such a weasel.

What did Scheff do to help her? What did her own mother do? Probably nodded their heads in agreement with Tony and said "What a weasel.

Didn't even want their grandchild, their own flesh and blood. Didn't know how she would eat or get money and didn't care. They probably didn't want their grandchild because taking care of the child would "use up the Lord's money" and "hinder their ministry." It's the Tony Alamo brand of Christianity.

[hollydolly]

thats pretty funny that scheff became an OC! lolol

[iasmann]

Gina's father is a Christian. A real one! Not an Alamo style one. He helped her out but I don't know much more than that.

Martin's story is another example of Tony Alamo style christianity. After his brother died falling through a roof while working on a job to help support the ministry. (Or at least so we all thought. Tony had already been spotted by at least one person picking up whores. But we didn't know that's where the money was going. That and elevator boots. Nothing more humiliating than being shorter than the whore. Right Tony?.)

Anyway Tony announces to all that Greg is in Hell because he was a weasel. Then he makes Martin preach the funeral and condemn his own brother who really did love the Lord. Tony's conscience is so seared that he actually considered this the compassionate, caring and merciful thing to do.

[raining]

Tony thinks he is so righteous and all his followers think they are too, that is if they obey TA orders.

As Ian posted above, Greg left Gina in a motel with their children, of which one was just a little baby. He left her with no money,no food, no car- she had nothing but her and the babies. As far as I know, Greg didn't tell Gina he was dumping her. He was going to do some errands, but really he went back to his beloved Tony!

Tony said Gina was a weasel so Greg dumped her and he went back to the foundation to follow the world pervert.

Tony tries to paint a picture of how merciful he is. Sending Bibles all over the world and whatever else he claims to do for the poor and needy of the world. He is such a liar!

Look what he did to a young lady, who was born and raised in the foundation! Tony says to throw the person being accused of being a weasel out like an ol' alley cat!

Pick em up and throw em out with nothing!

This happened to Gina and there are plenty of others who had similar experiences of being thrown out with nothing after giving 15-25 years of their life living inside the foundation!

[iasmann]

Tony threw us all to the dogs over the Justin Miller beating. He knew that if he didn't respond to their lawsuit that he would lose by default and everything, 52 million dollars worth of property with homes, apartments, a school and office building, printing facilities, a cafeteria. Everything we all worked very hard to build from scratch. He knew we'd lose it all and be out on the street but he didn't care. He just kept on with all this Vatican plot garbage and let it all go. Then he blamed us for being weasels and if we'd been right with God we never would have lost it etc. etc. On that score he was right. We defended him and helped him hide out and we got what we deserved. God is no respecter of persons but thank God he is merciful and forgiving to those who repent.

[redeemed_9131970]

Amen, Ian.



Carolyn, aka - Redeemed: 9/13/1970

[raining]

Phoney tony
world perv- oops pastor. Here is another lie that you said on your radio broadcast. "I was in prison for the Gospel"

You are a liar - you were put in prison for tax evasion! Public records will prove you are a liar!

[raining]

Hello Toni Alamo, world perv- oops pastor:

You said on your radio broadcast that you know how to solve the National Debt, but no one wants to listen to me!

Solve the foundation's money problems first!

Get the people who live inside your foundation some decent housing! - Number 5 in Saugus is a mess and those houses have no heat or AC.

If you can solve the National debt - why don't you have the brothers and sisters stop working 24/7!

[raining]

When Myron died Tony told the congregation that Myron barely made it in, however tony prayed for him and instructed us to do the same and at the last moment Myron made it into Heaven!.

Years later tony was telling people that Myron was burning in hell. Wanda B, Myron's aunt, confronted him and reminded TA what he said years earlier about Myron being in Heaven!
Tony did his usual thing and tried to kick Wanda out. However Wanda beat him to the punch and left never to return.

[no_stoppin_me]

What on earth would Myron be burning in hell for??? Wasn't he raised in the Holy Alamo Foundation??

Was he a child rapist?
Was he a polygamist?
Was he a child abuser?
Was he an adult abuser?
Was he a liar?
Was he a theif?
Was he a false prophet?

Hmmm, sounds like all of the above describe Tony Alamo, so it would appear to me that HE would be the one that is going to burn in hell.

[hbananna]

To confirm what Ian said:
"Tony had already been spotted by at least one person picking up whores"

My father used to drive Tony’s limo, among other “errands”. When we were thrown out my father told us that the reason was because we played a rated R movie (Alien) without it going through the editing process. Even at 12 years old, I thought that it was ludicrous for us to be exiled for such a small infraction. While we were all crammed in the U-Haul for the 23 hour drive to Pennsylvania, my father explained to me that there was a lot more to it but that I was too young to understand and he promised me that our leaving was God's will and he would explain everything in more detail when I was grown.

In short, years later, the topic came up and my father confided in me that he knew too much about Tony's activities and that he questioned Tony about them one week prior to our "excommunication". My father told me that he and a few other brothers had been assigned to buy drugs for Tony and they all witnessed him soliciting prostitutes (and not to reform them).

I have no reason to doubt my father. He is an honest person and could have bashed Tony to us way earlier in our lives when we were trying to understand it all.

Tiny Alamo----I mean Tony Alamo is a vile and despicable deceiver who takes advantage of any person with a spiritual weakness. He doesn't scare me and I would give anything to run into him and tell him so.

[daddys_gurl]

Well back to the Gina thing.....
Gina if you are out there and reading this, there are a couple of us girls that would love to talk to you. We hope you are doing GREAT now that you are away from that hell whole.

Kim

[smitty]

If yougo to the beginning of the largest Alamo Foundation thread, you will find Gina Howards email by clicking on her name

[wilma]

Gina's email listed from way back is no longer valid.
Susan

[wilma]

Slightly off topic here, but I was flipping channels this afternoon and something about Court TV--The Investigators--Hollywood Stalkers caught my eye. They were doing a report about a guy that stalked Madonna back in 1995. Then they flash Tony Alamo's tract DEFILED across the TV screen with the stalker Robert Hoskins' threatening messages to Madonna written all over Tony's tract. One psycho stalker getting inspiration from another psycho. The guy did 10 years and then was placed in a mental facility.

Here's a bit of the piece on the internet:
THE MADONNA STALKING CASE
In 1995 case of People v. Hoskins illustrates how California’s stalking and terrorist threat laws work hand in hand to protect victims. In May 1995 Hoskins was arrested and charged with the following crimes:


• Stalking and making a terrorist threat against entertainer Madonna Ciccone;
• Making terrorist threats against Madonna’s bodyguard, Basil Stephens, and personal assistant, Caresse* Henry; and
• Assaulting Madonna’s bodyguard.

In April 1995, Hoskins scaled a wall surrounding Madonna’s Los Angeles home and proceeded to the courtyard adjacent to the living quarters. Basil Stephens, Madonna’s bodyguard, observed him and scared Hoskins away. He returned the *next day and was rebuffed by Caresse Henry, Madonna’s personal assistant, who was alone in the house. Hoskins, who was at the gated entrance to the house, grew enraged and threatened to kill both Madonna and Henry. He left a note for Madonna in her intercom call box at the gate. The note was written over a printed religious tract named “DEFILED” (Figure 1). The word “Madonna” is written above the word “defiled” and “Louise Ciccone” (Madonna’s middle and last names) is written under the title. The note reads, “I love you. Will you be my wife for keeps. Robert Dewey Hoskins.” The other side of that page reads “I’m very sorry. Meet me somewhair (sic). Love for keeps. Robert Dewey Hoskins.” On the side of that page, contained in a drawn circle were the words, “be mind (sic) and I’ll be yours.” Beneath this “love note,” the printed religious tract describes how sinners who fornicate outside marriage should be killed and those who do not go around properly clothed should be punished.