April Postings

[internuncio]

I just figured something out that has been bugging me... You kept on saying that there is some photo of Susie Groulx sitting on a guys lap that you think is her son bla bla bla.... well I saw the photograph you are refering to.... It is not her son you unlearned moron. That is her husband. He looks great for his age huh!? What a blessed woman she is to have a man like that, eh?! You are such a sick weasle, trying to make something perverse out of something benign and innocent. I guess World Pastor Alamo has trained you well!

[the_truth]

he must be 20 years younger than her you paedophile priest. 1600 years of being the drunkard, complacent, lustful, murdering, abomination of God and now you come on here and try to preach in the name of catholicism. dont worry, i'm exposing how you are related to ALL the terrorism that happening in the world right now. and how you have always HATED the US constitution and thats why you caused the terrorism just so you could create laws to talk away our privacy and freedoms like you did when Hitler was coming to power and you burned down the reichstag. you are a very interesting character here. very curious, yes very curious.

[the_truth]

and you talk pretty brave for someone you can't see. i guarantee if you saw me you wouldn't be so brave and talk to me that way you little phaggot.

[no_stoppin_me]

Gosh Truth, you are so Christian-like. I'm sure Papa Tony is so proud of you.

[the_truth]

you think i care what you think? you're CRAZY if you do.
Listen,
America is in trouble.
Let me tell you about it:
We're at war with a small country in the Middle East called Iraq. A lot of us didn't think we should go to war with that country, and we said so. We told our friends, we told our Congress, we told our President. Apparently, what we thought didn't matter. What we said didn't matter. We went to war anyway.

We went to war because our President told us certain things. A lot of people believed him. It turns out he didn't tell us the truth. Let me put that another way, The President lied to us. He lied to me, and he lied to you, and he lied to all of our friends. He lied to Congress. A lot of us didn't like the fact that the President lied to us, and we said so. We told our friends, we told our Congress, we told our President. Apparently, how we felt about being lied to by our President didn't matter. What we said about him lying to us didn't matter.

Oh, something else about our President, and me and you for that matter- We're the first Americans, ever, who are not allowed to protest where the President can see us protesting. That's a fact. We can protest in "free speech zones," or we can be arrested for breaking the law. Because it's against the law to protest anywhere other than "free speech zones."

One more thing about our President, he has said, in writing, that he intends to ignore the laws of America as he sees fit. That's a fact.

There's a thing called The USA Patriot Act. I could be real long winded about what it means, but I won't bore you with all of that. Short and sweet: The USA Patriot Act takes away all of your rights. Let me make sure you understand. I didn't say it "might" take away all of your rights, I didn't say it "could be used to" take away all of your rights. All your rights are gone. You probably hadn't noticed because, if you're lucky, your Government hasn't decided to act against you, yet. If you're real lucky maybe they never will.

Maybe you're thinking, "But I'm no threat, I'm an American. I pay my taxes and I obey the law." Uh- huh, did you ever visit a site that is calling for the impeachment of your President? Your name is on a list. You're a dissident. You may be connected to other dissidents, and that makes you dangerous. And what if they make a mistake and take you away by accident? These are the same people who took a picture of a friend of John Lennon, labeled it as John Lennon, and sent it out to all the FBI offices in America. I wish I could say I made this up, but I didn't.

Maybe it's too subtle a distinction for you, so let me put it in a way you might understand. Right now, or later today, or tomorrow morning, agents of your Government could come to your home, or office, or your local bar, and take you into custody. They wouldn't charge you with any crime because they no longer have to. They could place you into a "Detainment Center" and deny you access to a phone, or legal counsel. They wouldn't tell your family or your friends, or your Congress, where you are. They might not tell you where you are. They could hold you indefinitely, question you, or torture you.

Yeah, sorry, they can torture you.

-cont-

[the_truth]

Here's something else about our President, and me and you- We're the first Americans, ever, whose right to liberty hangs solely on the whim of some nameless bureaucrat. And that's a fact, because according to The USA Patriot Act, due process can be, is being, and will be ignored.

Did you know that your Government paid over 385 million of your tax dollars to convert old government and military compounds into "American Detainment Camps?" They were built to hold illegal aliens, terrorists, displaced persons, dissidents, and "Fifth Columnists". No one seems to be sure exactly what a "Fifth Columnist" is, including your Attorney General. Your Government has enough estimated space to put away over 12 million people. That's a fact.

Right now, if you're reading this on-line, your Government is spying on you. I know that because I'm about to tell you some "buzz words" that make the NSA computers flag e-mails for further investigation. But first I've got to admit that a lot of the "buzz words" make sense, if you're looking for terrorists. Words like: "bomb, bomb making, atomic weapons, explosives, bin Laden," now they all make sense, if you're looking for terrorists. On the other hand there are words on the list whose very inclusion troubles me. Like: "Jesus, Christ, declaration of independence, Christian, civil forfeiture, democracy, dictatorship, free speech, patriot, information, media-" I wonder why words like that are on the list. What do you think they're doing on that list?

Oh, sorry, we've already established that what we think doesn't matter.

Did you know your Congress just passed legislation that will allow your President to increase his debt spending to nearly 9 trillion dollars? Did you know that your President has acquired more debt for you, and your children, and your grandchildren, in the last 5 years than the sum total of debt amassed by every other President in history? That's a fact.

Now there are going to be people who will tell you I'm wrong about this. And they can bring in experts who can show you graphs and charts that will illustrate just how wrong I am. They'll tell you that this is America, and all law abiding citizens don't have anything to worry about. Only criminals and terrorists have to worry. Go ahead, ask them. They'll tell you I'm a crackpot, or an alarmist, or I'm unpatriotic or I simply don't understand. And I'm a liberal, and I'm not thinking clearly because our Government only wants to put away bad people.
And here's my answer to them:
"You don't understand what kind of trouble America is in. OR, you don't want other people to understand."


written by a friend

[internuncio]

truth

Do you know why I can talk brave? I can talk brave because the Creator of the universe is backing me. In your paranoid mind you believe that I am in some way affiliated with the catholic people. You are delusional. I am a born again Christian; filled, to overflowing, with the Holy Spirit.

I chose my user name because "MESSENGER" was taken and when I did a search for synonyms of the word messenger this name came up. Not everything is part of some big scheme or conspiracy.

The important thing is not my user name. The important thing is the message I bring to World Pastor Alamo (et all).

Don't let the deceiver of the world (satan) trick you into focusing on my user name... the focus should be on the message, like I said before.

World Pastor Alamo's cup of iniquity is almost full. Destruction is soon to come!

[the_truth]

you're a false prophet. you're not filled with the Holy Spirit. you're filled with yourself. "weasel, moron," no-ones backing you except a bunch of liars. have fun with your staff and beard standing on the top of the mountain, lightening in backround, thunder. lol! you're a joke. a dime a dozen. Tonys doing a REAL work of the Lord. give me the link to your site and if it's really of the Lord, I'll know and I'll write you back here and apoligize.

[no_stoppin_me]

Truth, this message board is not about the President of the United States, the War in Iraq, the Catholic Church or any other conspiracy theories.

As a matter of fact, I think our President stinks. I think he is ignorant and I dont agree with the war in Iraq, but who cares... There are other message boards to discuss those issues.

Stop trying to take the focus off the FACT that Tony Alamo is a child abuser, child rapist & polygamist. It won't work! We will continue to expose him to the world for the pedophile that he is.

[hollydolly]

i'm sure all of u think u could do a better job as president right? but the fact of the matter is u are and never will be president so u might as well back him because u can't change anything that has happend and if we pull out of iraq now it will be far worse than if we had done nothing!!!!!!terrorist will attack reguardless of what we do we can fight them and try to rebuild the good left in their country or we can just sit here but they will not ever go away and that is the damn truth of the matter! so pointilng fingers at bush is ridiculous and pointless. so freakin what if iraq gains democracy after all the money and lives spent! it will not change terrorism

[the_truth]

The Planet of Unreality

By Eugene Robinson
Tuesday, March 21, 2006; Page A17

This is not good. The people running this country sound convinced that reality is whatever they say it is. And if they've actually strayed into the realm of genuine self-delusion -- if they actually believe the fantasies they're spinning about the bloody mess they've made in Iraq over the past three years -- then things are even worse than I thought.

Here is reality: The Bush administration's handpicked interim Iraqi prime minister, Ayad Allawi, told the BBC on Sunday, "We are losing each day an average of 50 to 60 people throughout the country, if not more. If this is not civil war, then God knows what civil war is. Iraq is in the middle of a crisis. Maybe we have not reached the point of no return yet, but we are moving towards this point. . . . We are in a terrible civil conflict now."

Here is self-delusion: Dick Cheney went on "Face the Nation" a few hours later and said he disagreed with Allawi -- who, by the way, is a tad closer to the action than the quail-hunting veep. There's no civil war, Cheney insisted. Move along, nothing to see here, pay no attention to those suicide bombings and death-squad murders. As an aside, Cheney insisted that his earlier forays into the Twilight Zone -- U.S. troops would be greeted as liberators, the insurgency is in its "last throes" -- were "basically accurate and reflect reality."

Maybe on his home planet.

Donald Rumsfeld, meanwhile, was busy on The Post's op-ed page, abusing history. Leaving Iraq now, he wrote, "would be the modern equivalent of handing postwar Germany back to the Nazis." The bizarre analogy was immediately disputed by foreign policy sages Henry Kissinger (who noted that there was "no significant resistance movement" in Germany after World War II) and Zbigniew Brzezinski (who just called the comparison "absolutely crazy'').

George W. Bush, who speaks as if he has ascended to an even higher plane of unreality, marked the third anniversary of the invasion Sunday by touting a "strategy that will lead to victory in Iraq." I know that "victory" is a word that focus groups love, but did anyone else hear an echo of Richard Nixon's "secret plan" to end the war in Vietnam? Does anyone else remember that there was no "secret plan''?

[the_truth]

It's reprehensible when our highest elected officials act cynically, as I believe this administration has done -- Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and the rest knew the evidence for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq was less than conclusive, but they hyped it anyway to build support for an invasion they were determined to launch. It's dangerous when our leaders act cluelessly, and the Bush White House has done plenty of that as well -- experts who called for a much bigger invasion force were silenced and shoved aside, assurances that Iraqi oil revenue would defray U.S. costs turned out to be a sick joke, and there was no effective plan to get the electricity turned on, much less deal with thousands of insurgents.

But cynicism and cluelessness are one thing. Actually being divorced from reality is another. Do Bush et al. really see only the democratic process they have installed in Iraq and not the bitter sectarian conflict that process has been unable to quell? Do they realize that whatever happens, there's not going to be a neat package, tied up with a bow, labeled "victory" -- certainly in the 34 months (but who's counting?) that the Bush administration has left in office?

Rumsfeld, I think, gets it. "History is a bigger picture, and it takes some time and perspective to measure accurately," he wrote in his op-ed piece, the whole tone of which reminded me of Fidel Castro's famous declaration as he was being jailed after his first, failed attempt at revolution: "History will absolve me." Condoleezza Rice seems to get it, too, telling Australians the other day that "beyond my lifetime" people would appreciate what the administration had done for the Middle East.

But what about the two men at the top?

Cheney lamented this weekend that "what's newsworthy is the car bomb in Baghdad," and "not all the work that went on that day in 15 other provinces in terms of making progress towards rebuilding Iraq." Yesterday Bush recounted a successful anti-insurgent operation in one town, calling it a good-news story that people wouldn't see in their newspapers or on their television screens.

Fine, blaming the media is a time-honored tactic. I just hope they're being cynical about it. I hope they don't really believe the nonsense they're trying to sell.

[the_truth]

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/camps.html

[the_truth]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=PJH_O4dEKQk

[no_stoppin_me]

Moderator! Please hit the Delete key on "the_truths" boring long a$$ posts that have nothing to do with the FACT that Tony Alamo is a child rapist, child abuser and polygamist.

Truth...there are plenty of other websites to post anti-war, anti-government, catholic conspiracies, etc etc. This is not the site. In case you didnt notice.

But being just like your Master, Tony Alamo, you feel the need to bombard people with long boring posts instead of focusing on issues that are being discussed here.

[skeptik]

Truth, while I don't totally agree with everything you've said about foreign policy, but with a little college education, you would make a fine pundit. You seem intelligent enough, so why are you throwing it all away in service to TA?

[iasmann]

Truth,

Ok so you posted a bunch of stuff about America being in trouble. Some true, some a lie. There's lots of places on the internet saying what you are saying. Tony is certainly not the only one saying these things.

But does saying these things make it OK for Tony to rape, molest and abuse little children. Does saying these things make it OK to break up marriages, steal copyrighted material, lie on his tax returns and all the other things he is guilty of.

During the crusades the Catholic Church let people like Tony out of prison and told them that if they partook in the crusades they would be forgiven of all their sins. They had a special indulgence to rape, murder and abuse at will. While they were on the crusade.

Is this why you keep bringing up Tony's supposed good works in exposing the Vatican? Because you believe he is earning an indulgence to sin because of his these works. Do you really think that his exposing of the Vatican makes his other crimes OK

As I've said before Tony is doing more to promote the New World Order than to expose it. Because he takes away the credibility of all the legitimate critics. Believe me there is no one in any government anywhere who is afraid of Tony's information getting out to the public. Most people don't even know who he is anyway.

Probably one of the most significant signs that our country is in trouble is the fact that immoral ungodly criminals like Tony and other child molesters, rapists, wife beaters and child abusers are not being locked up and the key thrown away.

[iasmann]

Truth,

You quote Kissinger and Brezinski as reliable sources. You need to read up on Tony's tracts and see what he has to say about them.

Of course Tony will side with anybody who agrees with him no matter how wicked. That's why he teamed up with Scientology and that's the real reason why he's against the war in Iraq.

Muslims believe in wife beating and multiple wives and child marriages. The same things he holds dear. So who cares if they blow up a lot of innocent people or feed them live into shredding machines. Their wickedness helps him to justify his so he supports them.

He actually admires Sadam's two sons who had the special rape rooms. They would pick up girls on the street and then just rape and beat them until they grew bored. They'd dump them in an alley or kill them and if the family said anything they'd off them too. They're always uncovering new mass graves in Iraq.

Tony wishes he had such a room. He'd like to get rid of a few of his child brides now that they are past their prime

[christophr19]

YAUEEEAAAAAAAAA!! AAAAAAHHHHH! ENOUGH!
Truth, you are wasting your time here. This board is about phoney, so stop bringing up these other subjects, because they are not going to listen to anything you have to say.
To those of you who are calling these other subjects, crazy conspiracy theories....well, I am sorry for your willful ignorance. Yeah, and I expect some to tell me off; but I could care less.
Who are you to call these (yes, I will agree, alot of these claims sound crazy) statements, lies? What the hell do you know about them? What research or study have you done about them?
You who call them wacko conspiracies, make yourself sound just as ignorant as truth. If you want to call them bull$H!%...well then, why don't you prove them as such?!?!? Go ahead! Do your own research, and prove them to be wacko conspiracy theories. Otherwise, stop yammering on about how stupid and untrue these statements are. There are mountains of proof regarding a myriad number of "conspiracy theories". Videos, audio recordings, mainstream news paper articles quoting these criminals telling on themselves. Bottomline, There is a plot to overthrow amerika, and the constitution! You are a slave of your own corrupt government. Most of amerika has WILLINGLY been brainwashed to tune out to what is really happening around them. There are "detainment camps" for political and religous dissenters. Etc... Etc... I could go on, and on. If you choose to ignore these facts...well, that is fine for you. But don't you dare call something a lie that you know absolutely nothing about! To any who would like to say how wrong I am.....once again, prove me wrong. Cause, seriously, I would love to be wrong about what is going to happen to our country. But if you are just going to throw railing accusations and random dumb comments against me....you will be wasting your time. Because I could really give two rats a$$ess who likes me or agree with me. I believe in speaking the truth, even when it is unpopular and uncomfortable. I do not waste my time on any subject that I can't show at least two different, reliable and credible sources as proof. There, I am done with it. Now, who has something to say against me?
Continued..........>>>>

[christophr19]

Now, Back to the topic that this board is about.
phoney is very many kinds of evil. And nothing truth, or any other a-lame-O-ites, will ever prove otherwise. Truth... just quit. Seriously, you are wasting a great talent on phoneys shrivelled sexual organ and engorged sexual appetite for children. I think that it is good that you want to learn the true history and not believe what the image of the beast (the media) tells you is truth. But you are ruining whatever chances you have of getting the real story out there, by affiliating yourself with a proven pedophile and spiritual vampire. I will pray for you, that God shows you the path that HE wants you to follow....not phoney's path. I think it is great that you want to expose evil. But how can you expose one horrible evil, when you condone and support (financially, and otherwise) the enormous evil, that is phoney and his false and deviant teachings?!? Get your priorities straight! Get your spiritual house and heart in order, before you even begin to try to expose the rest. Otherwise you are wasting the time, talent, opportunity and energy that God provided you with. You are in my prayers.

[hollydolly]

truth sure as hell isn't in my prayers! i'm sick of the constant topic changes and finger pointing and the complete defiance of the fact that tony alamo is a pervert! hopefuly the viagra will eventually give alamo a major heart attack or something i mean come on how long can a 71 yr olds heart handle all that sex and viagra? die <font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font> die!

[iasmann]

If you don't give a rats a$$ then act like it and ignore those who disagree with you instead of going into Tony like tirades that get away from the subject on this board.

Post your cospiracy theories on a conspiracy theory board.

[anchored]

DITTO

[christophr19]

Compare me to whoever you will, it isn't going to offend me.
So lets clear something up here.....So if you knew the truth about something and then had to listen to some of the same people who used to do the research, and helped to expose the truth to you; claim it is lies and not to beleive it...
Now after listening to them for sometime continue to deny it; when you have taken their research even a bit further( meanwhile learning from their mistakes, and cutting phoney alamo out of the picture), and continued on with it because listening to them as a kid, their example inspired you....Would you call them on it?
I didn't call names, I just asked people to stop spouting off their opinions about things they won't research themselves. How can you call something a lie, and yet have no proof of it being a lie? I was pointing out that those who do that are no better than those they are railing at. Take it how you will, but there was no offense in my post. If some here don't like me, that is their issue; but don't attack my posts and try to twist what I said (in some cases put words in my mouth) because of your dislike for me. I also find it funny that those who rail against me, take my posts WAY out of context or just ignore the text, and try to pin stuff on me that I never said (referring to older posts). Stop taking my posts as personal attackts! I am not attacking anyone. Remember, this is a discussion, not church.

[christophr19]

As for the "tony like tirades"....Well, I guess you would know alot more about those than I would; as I was very rarely ever,around phoney. I guess you must have seen your fair share of those tirades from papa phoney over the years?
Nice that those days are long gone, right?

[saved_21570]

Chris,

It really is'nt about whether you post conspiricy stuff. It is just that Tony wants us to talk about that stuff.

Who wants to be manipulated into doing what he wants us do?

Anyway, it's good to see you out there. Say, HI! to your Mom and Dad, and your Aunt and uncle for me.

Tom

[iasmann]

I agree, Tony's minions keep changing the subject to try to get us to talk about something other than him.

They try personal insults, false accos, and any kind of political statement. They keep calling my son a murderer and even post horrible pictures saying that I support those things. All they are trying to do is bait me into getting off on a tangent to take the heat off that perverted old lecher who has become their God.

They only resort to those tactics because they have no legitimate defense for his wickedness. The more they change the subject the more you know that you are right. As Jack Chick once said "If you throw a rock down a dark alley and hear a scream you know you hit something."

The louder Tony's evil minions scream conspiracy or name call or insult the more you know you are hitting something.

That's the time to focus even more on the atrocities Tony is committing in the name of the Lord.

(Message edited by iasmann on March 23, 2006)

[no_stoppin_me]

So true, Ian. I remember when someone would come against the cult, we would immediately start mailing out the "good letters" and bombard them with useless stuff to take the attention off whatever "acco" was being brought against us. Age old tactic of TA's.

Thats why we cant allow that to happen on this board. We have to continually post the facts that Tony Alamo is a child abuser, child rapist and polygamist.

[iasmann]

Also a liar, thief, homo, convicted tax evader and general all round bad guy.

[wilma]

Let's not forget that despite all his HUFFING AND PUFFING and trying to appear as some great prophet in his elevator shoes, Tony Alamo is an angry, hostile, insecure, weakly, frightened little coward of a man.

Sure, Tony Alamo acted really tough when he was surrounded with big brothers who would follow his orders. But I have it from a very reliable source that when Tony was arrested in Tampa he soiled his pants in fear. Big talker, you are, Tony. You can dish it out, but you sure can't take it. LOL

[the_truth]

no iasmann- what i am doing is showing what kind of people are on here who are accusing tony and showing what THEY support to show how stupid and decieved they REALLY are.

[no_stoppin_me]

I think you have it wrong, Truth. You are the one that is "stupid and decieved" for following a child abuser, child rapist and polygamist.

Even after victims of his crimes have posted their horrible stories, you still insist on not believing and still supporting Tony. Shame on you! You will be held just as accountable because you are a willing particpant to his sickness.

Maybe Tony will reward you for you good deeds by taking your daughter (if you have one) as his next wife. I'm sure you wouldnt mind, would you?

[iasmann]

Truth,

Here is the kind of person that you are:

He (Tony) then started hitting Jordan (a 4 year old child) in the mouth, on the stomach, on the legs and once Jordan finally fell to ground Tony continued but he was kicking him now in the stomach while he kept trying to get up. Jordan was in a little ball now but Tony kept kicking this was a few minutes into the beating, blood was running out of his mouth, he had wet his pants, his face had already started to swell all while Tony continued to kick him across an area of about 20 feet circled. He was crying so heart-wrenchingly all while every "sister" (tony's wives) and his mother Misheal (who looked as though she nearly lost strength to stand as tears streamed down her face) watched.

Only the bottom of the barrel scum would do something like this and only under the barrel scum (Truth) would try to support and cover it up. You are truly despicable.

[the_truth]

who wrote that iansmann? and why should I believe that? you admitted to what you support.

[christophr19]

alright truth......lets start over.
answer me this. Why does tony provide a house for his female "helpers", why are there so many "helpers"? Even CEO's only have one secretary. Why are most the "helpers" under the age of 18? Why do they not ever go home after working with tony on his literature? I am sure they have families to eat dinner with, and spend time with. Why do they go in virgins and come out (if ever) shattered and spent women? Why does tony no longer go to church with the rest of the church people? The Bible says "Forsake not the assembling of yourselves together" Does it not? Why are tony's actions, words, testimony never questioned or lined up with the Bible; by his followers? How come any one who questions or asks for an explanation is shot down or kicked out? just a few questions for you; will ask more when I think of them. Good day.

[iasmann]

That was written by Nikki who was an eyewitness. You should believe it because it's true. Of course as a defender of Tony you'll probably launch into some more conspiracy stuff and say Nikki is being paid etc. the usual garbage.

I wouldn't be surprised if you were one of the scum who just stood around outside the motor home listening to and ignoring little 13 year old Lizzie's cries for help as Tony brutally assaulted and raped her. You probably thought it was funny. So I don't expect much from you. A cockroach has more of a conscience than you do.

I don't post this information for your benefit. I do it to inform people who truly don't know anything about Tony. Someone gives them some Spirit filled literature that he has stolen like the "Messiah" book and they are fooled into thinking that he actually is a pastor of a church. They aren't aware of the immoral, ungodly, sinful and criminal activity that goes on there.

I, at one time supported him (for which I have repented and received forgiveness) so I feel obligated now to help expose him for the weasel and phony that he is.

[the_truth]

of course as a defender of nikki you believe her. same thing. you have no argument. you're the scum who supposedly stood by atrocities for 20 years retard! duh! you're a joke. what did tony say to you that embarrassed you so that you dont like him anymore and you're on here trying to get even. come on, be honest for once.

i know you're burning up inside with all this evidence showing bush is the biggest freaking murderer and liar and you publicly said you support him and the war. i'm embarrassed for you if you're not. you're a real stiff necked dude.

go to infowars.com people are coming out publicly questioning the governments official story about 9/11. it's been on CNN showbiz tonight for the past three nights. you and your son have been duped. and then you come on here to straighten us out. HA HA HA!!!! you're hilarious.

[hollydolly]

lizzy was 15.............

[no_stoppin_me]

13 or 15, still just as sick!

[no_stoppin_me]

Actually Truth, I dont think Ian is trying to "straiten you out". If you choose to follow a child rapist, child abuser, polygamist, liar, thief, then I dont think you can be "straitened out".

Funny how you never deny the facts that have been posted on here about Tony, you just turn the subject to the governement, the war, the Vatican, etc. That's what Tony does too. I guess he taught you well.

[the_truth]

i can say that about you too. i can say that about you too. you're a child rapist. does that make it true? you're a thief liar <font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font>, lesbian, stupid whore. you like that? i can get a bunch of my friends on here saying the same thing. it's probably true if enough of us say it. pig, dog, mutt, pup, hamburger, cheesegrater. frog hair nose.

[no_stoppin_me]

People saw it with their own damn eyes. Alot different than just "saying it happened". Out of Tony's own mouth, he said he had more than one "wife".

Most of the people on here live in different states and havent spoken to eachother in many years, but all tell the same facts. No "conspiracy theory" here.

I have a question, why has Tony left you all alone on this message board? Why are you the only one posting the praises of Tony??

[the_truth]

no they didnt see it. they made it up and chose to believe them. that's a common occurance. pinapple face. i'm not alone. they have posted all their testimony.

[wilma]

TommyRichards aka the_truth,
Since you are a late-comer to the Alamo Foundation (coming there in the late '90's, right?) you are making absurd claims that we are all lying about what we saw.

Like no_stoppin_me says "Most of the people on here live in different states and havent spoken to each other in many years, but all tell the same facts. No "conspiracy theory" here."
Kids that were beaten at Tony's command, girls that were molested and raped by him, girls that witnessed little children cruelly beaten by Tony himself have told what they witnessed with their own eyes and ears.

We are telling that which was from the beginning of the Alamo Foundation till the present, we are reporting that which we have heard from the lying lips of Tony Alamo himself, that which we have seen with our own eyes of his wickedness, which we have looked upon and experienced while living under his control and manipulation.

But it is not just our words and testimony. We have posted numerous newspaper articles reporting of Tony Alamo's lying, deceiving, polygamist, threatening ways.

You chose not to see, hear, or understand the TRUTH. You have eyes but you see not, ears but you hear not. Very sad, that you choose to be deceived.

[iasmann]

I didn't stand by atrocities for 20 years nor did I ever say that I did. Unlike you I haven't erased any of my posts because I'm not ashamed of what I have to say. Go back through them you'll see what I've said.

You on the other hand have said a lot of things that you are ashamed of that's why you have erased so many posts. That's why I asked the moderator to make all posts permanent. Your posts are so unchristian that any average person who reads them will be able to see that you follow Tony and not Christ.

What I have said is that Tony is a Judas. Like Judas he started out on the right track. Like Judas he betrayed the Lord and the disciples. In Tony's case it wasn't just for money. It was for money and sex with children.

I watched Tony grow into a Judas. It was a gradual process that got worse and worse and I made excuses for him all along the way just like you do. He's a mighty man of God. He's exposing the Vatican blah, blah, blah. I was deceived just like you and I believed what Tony told me just like you. I was backslidden just like you. I had a lot of loyalty to Tony because he was the one who led me to the Lord. I respected him and trusted him. I invested half my life in the foundation. It was hard to admit I’d been duped. I kept hoping that things would change but finally I realized that they never would. My biggest regret now was that I didn’t leave sooner.

I didn’t know he had been out drinking or visiting whores when he was in France until after I left. I didn’t know about the rape of Lizzie until after I left. I wasn’t there when Justin Miller was beaten. I believed Tony’s side of the story. Later I found out he was lying. I found out about the IRS evidence during his trial because it was used in court against him. I hadn’t seen it before that and like you I just believed what he told me. That the IRS was making stuff up. Seeing that was an eye-opener because it wasn’t made up. Tony had signed credit apps at Jim Reed Chevrolet in Nashville claiming substantial income. At the same time he signed tax returns claiming no income. It’s public record. You can see it for yourself.

[iasmann]

One of the many reasons why I believe Nikki and the others is because the evidence that Tony is a pathological liar is overwhelming and fully documented. Much of it comes from his own hand. For instance to this day he claims to have written the “Messiah” book when in fact it was written by Fred Meldau. I even posted a link proving it. People have ordered the book from Amazon.com and posted right here on this website that yes, Ian is telling the truth it’s the same book. Tony still says he wrote it. Tony won’t tell the truth because he can’t tell the truth no matter how much evidence there is that he’s lying. That’s the mark of a pathological liar. They are the most convincing because they actually come to believe their own lies.

After his arrest Tony publicly stated that he had operated openly and was never in hiding. But the fact was that he’d changed his appearance and was using stolen ID. Of course Tony just says that the police and press are all lying but it’s in the court record. Tony was carrying the ID when they arrested him. Tampa police had never heard of Harvey Cochran before they arrested Tony. They didn’t know that Harvey had been injured in an auto accident while out distributing Tony’s tracts. Harvey and his wife Dee had been permanently disabled after the accident. Rather than care for them as any Christian would, Tony called them weasels and abandoned them. He didn’t want to spend the Lord’s money taking care of a couple of weasels. Besides he needed a new pair of elevator boots and the good ones cost over a thousand a pair. So, they were dumped in a state run nursing home where Harvey died not long after Tony stole his ID.

You ask what it was that Tony said to make me leave. It wasn’t just one thing it was several things that happened over time. Abandoning Harvey and Dee after they had been so faithful for many years was one. Kicking out Randy Sprinkle and stealing his wife was another. What was happening to the older kids as they grew up was another. They were bitter and angry and being thrown out on the street like dogs for no reason other than that they were kids. Tony had a dysfunctional childhood that he was inflicting on the kids at the foundation. Tony made it his business to butt into everyone’s life and it was not possible to raise your own child without major interference from him. I knew that it was wrong to keep my son there and that if I did he would turn out to be bitter and angry like many of the others and that he would get no education or job skills. He’d say something Tony didn’t like and he’d be out on the street at 13 or 14 yrs. old.

Some of these kids are now on drugs and in jail. They’re struggling to find work with no job skills. Sure it’s their parents fault. But the fault was in believing that Tony actually cared about them or their children. So they followed his advice.

[no_stoppin_me]

So well said, Ian!

I know you didnt say "all" but I would just like to point out also that many of the Foundation "kids" turned out to be successful,happy, responsible adults. Some are college professors, accountants, business owners, etc. etc.

In spite of our childhoods, we didnt let that control our future.

[wilma]

This is further evidence of Tony Alamo marrying off underage little girls to adult males:

"...........MAY HAVE BEEN AN ILLEGAL WEDDING. YESTERDAY INVESTIGATORS TOOK AN ANONYMOUS CALL THAT A 34-YEAR-OLD MAN WAS EXCHANGING VOWS WITH A 13- YEAR-OLD GIRL. THE CALLER..."
from KFSM TV 5 3/7/2006 Ft Smith, Arkansas

Other underage little girls married off at Tony's direction:
Sophia Thorne to Carlos Parrish
Lynnette Perez to John Falaz
Rachel Scheff to Tom Neverdal
Kristine Eddy to Michael Johnson
Jackie Garner @ 12 yoa to Dale Shono
Wendy Tiner @12 yoa
More proof that we're not making anything up.

Thank you, Ian, for a well said and heart felt statement. I can say AMEN to that!
Susie

(Message edited by wilma on March 25, 2006)

[iasmann]

No_stoppin_me,

You are absolutely right. You had the deck stacked against you and you still overcame. That's what makes Tony so mad. he wasn't able to destroy your lives. You were sronger than him.

He loves nothing more(except young girls) than to be able to point out the failures of others. It makes him feel good to see others fail because deep down he knows what a great failure he has been. But Judas was worse.

That's another thing that bugs him. Not only is he a second rate cult leader with hardly any followers but he's even a second rate failure.

(Message edited by iasmann on March 25, 2006)

[raining]

Tommy - aka the_truth?????

Tommy come lately- you didn't live in the foundation when the child beatings were going on.
Try and tell the children who were beaten at Tony's comand - 100+ times with a wooden board while being suspended spread eagle! Go ahead and tell them the beatings they suffered didn't happen! You are a liar just like tony!

Almost every child who grew up in the foundation can tell about "swats with the board of education" (child abuse) at papa tony's house, and also wittnessed the child abuse that happened to several of the older kids. you make me sick - I know that the kids were physically abused by tony phoney almighty.
When he saw he got no push back from the adults while beating the kids - then he took another giant step forward and included adults in getting smote. Grown men and women being spanked!

You use tony's tactics by calling everyone who posts facts about tony alamo "liars".

You post how wonderful Tony is, what a great world pastor he is, how much care and concern he has for all the people living inside the foundation. How wonderful life is inside the foundation walls with tony.

I have 1 question for you then------

If life is so wonderful inside the foundation then --- why is it that you don't live inside the foundation with your beloved tony???

[saved_21570]

Well said, Ian,

It is amazing how powerful the simple truth is.

I can honestly say that I loved the man. It was heartbreaking, watching the church that I loved and had such power getting worse and worse. Like you I really only knew a very small part of how degenerated it was, but by the time I got put out I knew I would never go back. Alot of us stayed as long as we did hoping that the glory days we had wittnessed were coming again. That some how through our prayers and deeds things would turn around, but God had moved his candlestick.

It is a horrible that every holy and wonderful thing that God did there will be open to blasphemy by the ungodly. All because of the violent, and perverse deeds of one cruel backsliden man.

"A heart they have exercised with covetous practises"

Love in Christ, Tom

[iasmann]

"One sinner destroyeth much good"

[mborek]

....Truth...you slimey sack of lying <font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font>. You just ruined your credibility by saying those beatings at Tony's house on the Ridge never happened. You can be sure they happened. Not only the child beatings but also the beatings of the adults at Tony's command. Oh, they happened alright you ignorant <font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font>.

[mborek]

NOW....watch things get interesting on here!!!!!!

[christophr19]

My sister Carissa Curry was ordered by tony alamo to beaten while she was having a grand mal epileptic siezure (the worst kind). I will never be able to get that image nor the sounds out of my head. tony said that she was possessed by demons and that they would only leave by being beaten out of her. Truth, do know what it is like to be 10 years old and watch your sister thrashing around on the floor, moaning, screaming, and choking on her tongue... already horribly confused and disoriented from the siezure...then trying blindly to get away from a board that she can't see????
Thank God my parents put a stop to it! I think today, that mom and dad both feel horribly guilty, that they ever let it happen, even once. Even though my sister does not remember it, nor hold it against them. The horror of it was only witnessed by us; and it will never be forgotten. No matter how hard we try.

[false_prophet_detector]

what up homeless wonder

[false_prophet_detector]

got busy recording so i missed you

oh well ill see you some other time
peeece

[false_prophet_detector]

"there is some kind of chemical imbalance or something definitely physically incorrect with carrissa and its her own challenge.
one thing i noticed though through the many seisures i witnessed was she was not possessed by anything. she never lashed out at anyone. and she was simply disabled for a few minutes.
and i love her for her innocence i always witnessed afterwards. "what are you talking about i didnt feel a thing" she said this after hitting her temple on the corner of a desk.
i love you carrissa
your friend erik

[daddys_gurl]

I remember that Erik....TA always picked on her for having seizures. I'm glad I didn't have to witness that inccident Chris talked about but saw her get beat several other times just for having seizures. Sick B*&amp;tard!

Carissa....hope all is well
Kim

[raining]

It was sickening to hear "papa tony" telling Dot &amp; Bill to "BEAT" their beautiful Carrissa while having a siezure. Carrissa is a sweatheart and a wonderful women with a family of her own. She loves the Lord to this day. I can't imagine how she felt back while those beatings were being administered. However not only the physical but the spiritual. Being told you are filled with demons everytime you have a siezure. What did that do to Carassia's faith? Tony sure wasn't building her faith! He is a destroyer of souls and an abuser of children and adults.

[cja]

AMEN! I was there for many of the beatings. The one that was the most horrific that I witnessed was when Paula Morganflash was beaten. I remember the sounds she made after like 40 swats. The sounds didn't sound human. I started to cry and Shelly Garner told me if I didn't wipe my tears that I would be next. After her beating Tony said that the Lord said it wasn't good enough and to beat her again. I walked out and got physically ill. It upsets me to this day to even think about it. So, "the truth" you need to hear the truth because your truth is nothing but a dirty lie. Stop protecting that MONSTER! The truth is that Tony is everything but a man of God!

[hollydolly]

this is not holly ,this is someone else,this is my first and only time on this,and all i have to say is this, <font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font> all of you sick,twisted,demented, perverted <font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font> there will be hell to pay for letting, and marring my little sister, i swear to god, you all will pay.

[skeptik]

Me, if I'd had a daughter who was having a seizure, and TA ordered me to "beat the devil out of her," I think I'd have turned around and given TA a beating just for saying such a thing.

And as for this Kolbeck individual that's being discussed on other threads,I gotta say that it's a complete disgrace. While he may be biologically male, he sure ain't a man in my book for what he allows Alamo to do with his wife and daughter. Call it machismo, call it pride, call me judgemental, but I can't respect that. I wonder if he can really keep his head up.

[hollydolly]

back when carissa first started having seizures there wasn't any info about it and she wasn't seen by a doctor.......there was some ignorance and confusion. in defense of the currys...........it actually proves the fear and mind control alamo has over these people.........i was blown away when i found out about jeanette.......that her parents gave in to that sickos request...........i knew the orlandos from birth very closely. there was alot of love in that home........i'm still puzzled but i somehow can't resent them.

[iasmann]

Kolbeck is not the only one but apparantly he’s the worst at this point. You’ve heard the old saying “like father like son” There are lots of other horror stories about the men and women who reside there masquarading as Christians as well. Off the top of my head here is 2 more.

Vern Jordan dumped his wife and went back to the foundation. But not before maxing out her credit cards and leaving her with the bills.

Greg Seago was worse. He left his wife and little baby in a cheap hotel with no money or means of support. Just up and left them. Couldn’t have cared less about his own flesh and blood. Tony told him they were weasels and to kick them out. Imagine a little baby being called a weasel and being dumped like that. Oh, but it’s OK because Tony speaks out against the Vatican.

Here are some more marriages that took place. It would be nice if we could get the ages of all these little girls.

Sophia Thorne to Carlos Parrish

Lynnette Perez to John Falaz

Rachel Scheff to Tom Neverdal

Kristine Eddy to Michael Johnson

Jackie Garner @ 12 yoa to Dale Shono

Wendy Tiner @12 yoa to ?

Perhaps we should concentrate on posting the illegal activities of his followers as well. Maybe if the police see enough info on this board about Kolbeck or Garner or any of those other “worse than infidel” scum they’ll start going after them. If they are half as cowardly as their master they’ll throw him to the dogs just like he did to us so they can save their own skin.

They think they are protected by Tony. If we can get one of them arrested they'll squeel like pigs to save their skin and keep from going to jail.

[hollydolly]

jeanette and lizzy,

I'm so sorry that you never had a chance to grow up and become all you ever dreamed of, i'm so sorry that you don't have a clue how great life can be,i'm so very sorry all you know is the wicked grasp of that sad disturbed man that you think you love. atleast you can look back on your childhood and hopfully remember how you were loved and hopfully have some idea of what love really is through your memories.i'm so sorry that what we had together as children will never be again, that you daughter lizzy will never know my daughter, will never have a chance to learn of the love god has for her. i pray tony won't do to her what he did to you i pray god keeps you and that he remembers your first intentions toward him. how innocent and pure.........i pray we will meet again on the other side. with love

holly

[no_stoppin_me]

Again, the parents that have given their innocent children to Tony should be arrested and prosecuted too. There is no excuse at all. Not brainwashing, mind control, ignorance, confusion or whatever else people come up with!!!

The children that God has given to us, we are to PROTECT!!!!

They know it is wrong. They feel it in their hearts. They have that sick feeling in the pit of their stomach, but they choose to ignore it. No one teaches you that it is wrong, you just know it.

They choose to willing give their children to Papa Tony. The sick thing is that they probably feel honored if Tony asks for their child to come to his house to be a "secretary".

[hollydolly]

i agree that the parents should feel responsible,on the other hand i sure hope god is more forgiving than u! putting alamo in jail is the first priority. no-stoppin--how long were u in the foundation? and at what age? Jeanettes mother was practicly a child herself when she moved in {17}you can't just rule out the brainwashing,mindcontroland lets not forget the fear{they truly believed that god would punish them if they didn't listen to tony}after all the foundation was founded in truth and what was taught in the beginning was the truth and after 25 or so years of living that way and knowing you were saved through that organization how can you seperate whats really right anymore? read some books about what shrinks have to say on this topic.

[no_stoppin_me]

Holly,

I was raised in the cult from the age of 2 until 18. So, I know all about the brainwashing, mind control and of course, the fear. I lived it too.

But no amount of brainwashing, mind control or fear can wash away the natural normal instinct of a mother protecting her youth. It is in nature with wild animals!

I knew Jeanettes mother (and father) very well too. And it is hard to believe that her parents would allow Tony to have their precious daughter. It is beyond my comprehension. But they did and they will have to live with that for the rest of their lives as will the rest of them that have given their innocent virgin daughters to Tony to be defiled by him.

[internuncio]

Holly Dolly,

I can understand your desire to protect your life long friend's parents ... however, do not be deceived! Lenore Orlando and Joey Orlando are not innocent! They were given their precious daughter back once before, when Tony Alamo sent her "home" to her parents after he beat her to a pulp. She was broken and bruised and in BAD shape. Lenore nursed her own child back to some state of well being. While there Jeannette told her mother things that I will not go into here on this board. Tony Alamo called Lenore and told her to bring Jeannette back and Jeannette (at the time) begged her mother to please not take her back. Lenore, the good mother that she is ... sent her little girl back to Papa Perv (as you so accurately named Tony Alamo) for some more abuse and a few more butt whooping... Apparently she told her daughter that she had an obligation to her "husband, papa perv." Jeannette went back.

Flash forward a few years.... Lenore and Joey had tremendous guilt over sending their kid back to Tony when they had the chance to free her from his abuse and possibly get their daughter help.

Let's move forward in time, shall we? Papa Perv sends a not so young Jeannette home to her parents. Not only do Lenore and Joey do absolutely NOTHING to help their very mentally, physically, sexually, and spiritually abused daughter ... they do nothing to try to help the little girls who have no way of escape. They kept Jeanette's home coming a big fat filthy secret. They wanted to "protect" her and papa perv.

Oh and wait that isn't even the best part yet ... they sent her back again to Tony! They actually sent their daughter back to that sick place and to live in that very ungodly house.

Those two individuals, Lenore and Joey Orlando will stand before God one day. They will stand there and they will be the ones who will have to answer for what they have allowed to happen.

I do not have an ounce of empathy or sympathy for the two of them. Auntie Norskie gave her daughter to Tony Alamo with FULL knowledge of what he was going to do to her! Uncle Joe and Auntie Norskie are just as sick and twisted as Tony Alamo himself!

That is my opinion, for what it's worth ... not much, I'm sure.

[internuncio]

TRUTH,

Just a little FYI....

I was personally present at many beatings at the "spec house". I personally heard with my own ears Tony Alamo tell adults to hold little children spread eagle in the air (one adult holding each limb taut in the air) while one large man beat them with a 2x4 board.

I heard children scream in a way I pray you will never hear. I heard them beg for mercy and I heard with my own ears Tony sometimes laugh at them begging for mercy and tell the adults that God said the kid was not really sorry to beat them again and tell them the number of swats to give with the board. I saw children taken into the bathroom to have their bottoms checked for bleeding so the beating could continue. I saw children limping for days at school and I saw with my own eyes children who were not being beaten, watch the beatings because they were told if they did not watch they would be next. I heard with my own ears Shelly Garner tell Bethany Decker (who was still an unmarried child) that if she cried she would be beaten next. Let me tell you something, and I want to be very crystal clear.... those beatings DID happen. Tony Alamo, world pastor, man of God, prophet to the nations, did issue beatings... MANY beatings! That man used to do the beatings himself.... when he was out of town he had people do it for him. He sat on speaker phone and listened to every swat and every scream. He instructed Susan Groulx and other people from the "tape department" to errase those tapes with the beatings.

Tony Alamo still issues beatings. He has his "secretaries" or wives or brides or assistants, what ever name you want to give those women and girls, he has them beat eachother. They brutalize each other now, at Tony Alamo's command. John Kolbek beats adults. They are taken into a warehouse and beaten. There is physical proof which is soon to make it into the proper "authorities" hands.

Tony Alamo's reign of terror is soon to end! Sadly, it is not only Tony Alamo who will reap the destruction this time.... This time other people who did not heed the warning posted earlier will be destroyed along with Tony Alamo. Many will suffer in prison for folowing not the Lord, ut for following Tony Alamo.

Tony Alamo's cup of iniquity is almost full. Destruction is soon to come!

[internuncio]

TRUTH... one more thing.
You are right. The government is full of spiritual wickedness in high places. It is living proof that our government is wicked just simply for the fact that they KNOW what is going on over there in the Tony Alamo CULT and they still have done NOTHING to put a stop to it!

[hollydolly]

thats your opinion about the orlandos and i'm not condoning any of it myself but there is something to be said for the state of mind they were in at the time! you left when you were 18 giving you enough time to gain normalcy ,lenore entered at the same age.how can you possibly know every detail and spout it here with all self rightousness? how do u know jeanette begged them not to send her back? were u there at that exact moment? or are you just ranting about he said she said bull****? anyway they gave their daughter to a person who they believed to be some fabulous man of god a freakin prophet for that matter they sent her back to what they believed was her righteous husband reguardless of her being beaten you must know how all of the people who were and are in that place justify themselves! i suppose you are going to start about the curry's now and what happened to carissa and i suppose you are going to say you knew the currys well too? my mother gave me to the nursery at 6weeks of age and if you knew my mother and all that she had been through prior to the foundation you would be floored! she said it was the hardest thing she ever did in her life........and she buried a child long before i was born! if you knew her now and how over protective she is in a normal state of mind now with my children maybe you could try to understand what i'm saying about brainwashed people! anyway i'm done with this its pointless really.my mind can't be changed and its not worth trying to change yours.

[internuncio]

Holly Dolly,

The Orlando's sent their precious "Moshedda Moshedda" back to Tony Alamo not one time but TWICE!

They sent her back the first time when they were still mindless zombies... they sent her back for the second time only a few short months ago! Come on Holly Dolly, give them some credit, honey! They are no longer mindless zombies. They sent her back this time with full knowlege of Tony Alamo. They know he is not a prophet of God. They know he is a child rapist and polygamist and they know he is a bold face liar.

You ask how I know that Jeannette begged her mommy to not make her go back to Tony Alamo.... I know because Auntie Norskie likes to chat it up with her gal pals.... she spilled the beans herself.

I don't have to condone or be pals with people who knowingly do what they have done. They have their own history (much like your own mother)... The Orlando's lost a child. One would think they would be more protective of their living children (at least the second time around). I don't claim to understand it all.

As for Dorothy and Bill, regarding Carissa... I don't blame them. Everyone did really mindless stuff in that cult. Now if Aunt Dot beat her epileptic child after being out of the cult for years... then I would think she was as sick and twisted as I think the Orlando's are.

Do you at least understand, a little bit, where I am coming from?

[false_prophet_detector]

i understand

people do like to pass the blame onto others for every mistake they make. but you never learn if you do this. of course the orlandos are responsible for letting their daughter go to an ogres bedchamber. so are my confused parents responsible for letting alys go to a molesters house. and yes they are all going to account for it all.

what a small payoff for letting your precious daughter live in satans house(tony gives you extra bux that week and doesnt blast you on a 3hour sermon)

my intention is that you will end
<font size="-2">tony alamo</font>

[false_prophet_detector]

by the way i saw a picture of pete groulx
on marcels string and i was puzzled by how young he looks.

PETE WHATS YOUR SECRET?

[no_stoppin_me]

Internuncio, did you say you left the cult when you were 18? Holly was addressing you, I think, when she said "you left when you were 18, giving you enough time to gain normalcy".

[internuncio]

Erik,

Your post about your parents, and others, being accountable made perfect sense. Great post.

I too look forward to Tony Alamo's soon demise.

[internuncio]

no_stoppin_me,

Nope, I never said I was 18 when I left the cult.
I believe in an earlier post you said you were 18 when you left. Holly must have gotten our posts confused.

I never indicated how long I was involved with the Alamo cult.

Although, for the record, I was there for almost 15 years. Long enough for anyone........

[christophr19]

"i agree that the parents should feel responsible,on the other hand i sure hope god is more forgiving than u! putting alamo in jail is the first priority. no-stoppin--how long were u in the foundation? and at what age? Jeanettes mother was practicly a child herself when she moved in {17}you can't just rule out the brainwashing,mindcontroland lets not forget the fear{they truly believed that god would punish them if they didn't listen to tony"--HollyDolly.

You all want to know why they act out, and don't question phoney's orders???
Blind faith. Look at the Bible. The story of Abraham being told to sacrifice his kid. He was about to slit his own son's throat; before God had to stop him. When you hear stories like these about blind faith, all your life, it makes an impact. Am I saying the Bible is evil....HELL no. I am, pointing out that when you are taught to believe that blindly; that if you aren't careful, someone could take advantage of that. Remember, it took years for phoney to get to this point. he gained their trust by being around Susie, and just not talking too much. He was an a$$wHOLE, even back then, he was just held in check by susie and his (what little he had) fear of God. When She died, her spiritual "children" turned to the one who was always with her. phoney's heart slowly rotted and putrified from the unresolved bitterness and hate, that he never gave up to God. When he saw that God hadn't struck him dead; he became more greedy and lustful. ~And if you give an a$$ an inch.....it'll grow a mile.~ Till we have what you see and smell today. An old shrivelled and rotting heart to go along with his old hairy balls! ECH EUWWWW UUUEH!

[internuncio]

To all of you who sit by silently and read this message board and in your heart you know that what you are reading is 100% true and you have your own history sitting inside of you, unspoken...

To all of you who witnessed lie after lie, beating after beating, child bride after child bride being taken by a self proclaimed world pastor, prophet, man of God...

Your silence is an unspoken nod of agreement. Your silence says you find no wrong in Tony Alamo's actions. Your silence says you don't care that he is still abusing his followers. Your silence puts more people in danger. Your silence is your worst fear's loudest cry! By being silent your worst fears are becoming real every day. Tony get's more vile and sick every passing day. Your silence is a messenger of death for everyone still in that cult! When will you understand your silence is the very wind that increases and spreads the fire of Tony Alamo's power. You, with family still there... you think your silence protects them; the opposite is true.

If every one of you who sits by and reads this message board, if you would refuse to be quiet any longer, if you would refuse to be ignored, if you would speak out until someone had to stop and listen... then and only then would the insanity stop! One way or another, it is FEAR that keeps you silent. FEAR is False Evidence Apearing Real. It is the biggest lie of the devil.

Do any of you remember why God had to destroy the tower of babel? It was because everyone was of the same mind. They all were working for the same cause. They were unstoppable and they were going to succeed because they were UNIFIED! Let us come together and be unified in exposing Tony Alamo... Not with lies and stories that were told to us, but with TRUTH that we each witnessed personally. If every single one of you, who has revelation, of who Tony Alamo truly is would speak out, boldly, then someone would have to notice and they would be forced to help the people who obviously cannot help themselves.

Be silent no more!

[christophr19]

I tell anyone who will listen, about where I came from and what the place has gone to. whenever I would start a new job; word would get around that I grew up in a cult and people would come and ask me about it. I would have small crowds that when we weren't busy, were ask me to tell stories of the cult. I must have told.....Lets see, I have had upwards of 20 different Jobs, with an average number of 20-30 employees who worked with and heard me tell my story; plus all of the other random people, my friends, their friends, etc.... I would guess over a 1000 people maybe. Generally, if you know me, you have heard my story! And I have met, and talked to a LOT of people! Many people have told me to write a book; some have even asked if they could write it for me.
So I have decided to start a book about my life with the cult. Any one who would like to help me....write your stories, and maybe we could make a better book. Some one said, "who knows, maybe it will be a bestseller and you could get lots of money" To which I say, great! then we could use the money to safely break up the cult, and have lots of money to help and rehabilitate the broken and shattered victims of his lies.
Whether any one is with me or not, I will write this book and any money it makes will go towards this goal.

[hollydolly]

a few months ago jeanette told her parents she was going back because she had been with him so long........bla blah........she is 28 yrs old they couldn't have stopped her.

[hollydolly]

i don't believe that lenore would chat about her daughter begging her not to go back.........give me a break. she may have been blind and guilty of letting jeanette go in the first place but she would not be nonchalant about!

[internuncio]

Holly Dolly,
Get real, at least with yourself! They should have gotten that girl help! She needed professional help. They knew people who could get her good, Christian, professional help. She is back there because they failed her, miserably!

And No one ever said Lenore was non-chalant... Lenore did however share with several people, while she was heavy laden with doubts and fears and gulilt that she had failed her daughter by taking her back to Tony when Jeanette did not want to go back. She had deep regrets and shared them openly with several people.

[no_stoppin_me]

True Holly, maybe they couldnt have stopped her. But they could have called the police to alert them of what was going on there, couldnt they? They could have gone on national TV and told the world the truth about what was going on there. They could have possibly helped the underage children who are currently being raped and abused by Tony before they are all used up and broken, like their daughter.

And if they hadnt given her to Tony when she was a child in the first place, she wouldnt "have been with him for so long".

[hollydolly]

we can all sit here and talk about what normal people in their right minds would and could do for their child........they were and are as blind as the children givin to that creep! i remember when my parents first left and even now they are ashamed of ever being associated with alamo............and lets not talk about the fear.......for instance i know something about alamo that no one knows but i have been advised that its not in the best interest of my family to talk about it. it would really make any difference anyways except explain alot about alamo's insanity.

[hollydolly]

when jeanette came on here and addressed me in such a cold manner, in such denial it proved to me that the power over these people is demonic its very strong remember satan is the prince of this world and alamo one of his ringleaders!

[no_stoppin_me]

Let's not forget that the Orlandos are not the only parents who gave their innocent virgin daughter to Tony.

There are many others who will stand just as accountable.

[daddys_gurl]

internuncio: although I doubt you'll identify yourself, I must say I am very curious about your identity....hmmmm
anyway Holly - calm down! And just for the record no_stopping_me was right there with us kids. He/She knows all about Jeannie and aunti norsky. And who didn't like the Orlando's? Most of us kids did? But that doesn't make it right that they handed over there daughter to that perv. And thats all no_stopping_me is trying to say. Someone, in an earlier post, was talking about how TA bribes these people and I agree. Jeannette is a grown woman now. She chooses not to be your friend anymore. She chooses to hurt you by severing all ties and disregarding your great friendship. There's nothing more you can do but try to put a stop to TA and hope that she is freed.
Its sad to say but its the truth.

[hollydolly]

whatever- i'm not talking about liking the orlandos------i was with them for most of my life overnight after school....my parents worked like dogs i knew them better than my own family! she choosing not to be my friend doesn't at all make the past any less important.....she is brainwashed! hello???????? u people didn't know what i knew.......period...........and i'm sick of being treated like someone that just knew the orlandos......they were like my family........i really don't have the energy to get into it.

[false_prophet_detector]

well said
hd

[christophr19]

hey EO

[false_prophet_detector]

;]
hey

[internuncio]

Daddys Gurl: You are right as rain! I will not identify myself, at this time, and with good reason. You see, Alamo and his followers love to take the focus off of themselves by assasinating other people's characters. I have nothing to hide, although I would like to point out that I, like everyone else in the world, do have character flaws, and I will not allow those people to switch the focus to my inperfections thus making every word I have said of no value. I would rather post annonymous, valid, truths and allow my words to make an impact. Anyway, this is not about me at all.... this is about Tony Alamo and shedding light and truth on the entire situation.

[internuncio]

No_Stoppin_Me

I wold like to comment on a very good point that you made... You said that the Orlando's are not the only ones who gave their virgin daughter to Tony Alamo. That is a valid point, however what remains unsaid is that, the Orlando's are the ONLY ones who got their daughter back not once but TWICE and then sent her back. Tami Sprinkle was sent home to her parents after being illegally married to Alamo and they never sent her back... in fact she is now happily reunited with the husband Tony Alamo stole her from and they are parents of 6 children (I'd say they are blessed and their quiver is full, Biblically speaking).

What our friend Holly Dolly can not understand is, no one is attacking people who are brain washed and ignorantly give their children to a monster. The Orlando's gave Jeannette to Tony for a second time with full knowlege that she may not make it out of there alive a third time. What stops Tony from killing someone? There was a time we would never have dreamed of him fornicating with a young girl (12-16) and just look at him now! Who out there ever would have dreamed that adults would be victims of Tony's sick "spankings". The pattern which is being revealed, simply put, boasts a man who knows no limits and will not be held by moral or legal boundaries.

Do you know the best way to boil a frog? It isn't by puting a pot of water on to boil and then dropping a frog into it... No, then the frog would jump out quickly it would be a little burned but it would live. But, if you put a frog in nice luke warm water and very slowly turn up the heat the frog will not notice. It will sit there and eventually draw its last froggy breath. That is what Tony Alamo is ding to those people in the cult. He is slowly turning up the heat. He has them giving their virgin daughters to men old enough, in some cases, to be their grand fathers. He has them beating their kids and each other. Its time to over turn that pot of frogs. Don't ya think?????

[daddys_gurl]

Well good for you. I love reading your posts and I just hope your plan goes into action and SOON.
Holly do you ever talk to Lenore and Joey?? Just wondering. I know you were closer than friends. I'm not denying that. I just want you to realize that Jeanne is not the same Jeanne anymore. And I just don't believe she's brainwashed. But thats just my opinion and you say you have all this secret info that none of us know, so who knows....
I guess we all agree on one thing and thats to bring the old fart down
All I know is I really hope she gets out of there along w/everyone else.
Once TA gets word of internuncio's plan he is gonna start swingin.

[no_stoppin_me]

Internuncio,

I so agree with you regarding the fact that the Orlandos are the only ones who sent their daughter back a second tim to the house of horrors. I was just making the point that they aren't the only ones who gave their daughter to Tony in the first place.

As far as not identifying yourself. You are so right about people using your charachter flaws to discredit the facts. Like you said, this board is not about us, its about Tony Alamo and the atrocities that he has and is continuing to commit. We have seen it happen many times before on this board. So continue to post the truth!!!

I love your analogy of the boiling frog. I can picture TA in the pot!!

[anchored]

I like internuncio's comments. They are right to the point and not just subjective opinions. Someone who knows the worldly pastor - the one and only Pastor Perv.

You are so right nuncio, Pastor Perv will do anything to get the spotlight off from him and onto others imperfections. It's probably the frog-like spirit's favorite tactic, that and appearing as an angel of light. Any form of deception and distraction from the real truth would be Pastor Perv's motive.

He has so much to hide and now his filthy cloak is being ripped off by all the people coming on here, for the whole world to see.

Keep it up nuncio. Let's all keep it up.

Love in Christ!

(Message edited by anchored on March 28, 2006)

[anchored]

Just want to clarify what was meant by "subjective opinions." Meaning the alamo supporters/worshippers that come on here and name call and accuse us who are telling the truth about all the things we have both seen with our eyes and heard with our ears Pastor Frog's many atrocities and who have received the cruel physical, mental and spiritual abuse of Pastor Perv, himself.

The pot is boiling and the Frog is about to cook.

[wilma]

The emperor has no clothes!!
The emperor has no clothes!!

Tony Alamo is squirming a little bit, ya'll. I subjected myself to listening to one of his BORING radio programs the other day (downloadable from Tony's website) Tape #128, Part 26 dated Mar9th, 2006. Tony droned on about how the CIA is paying off "the backsliders". He mentions FACTNET and claims it was started by the CIA. He says Margaret Singer was a topless barmaid....the same garbage Don Sweat posted on here a couple weeks back. On the radio program Mishael Jones Williams, Tony's "secretary/wife/sex partner" reads the responses and Sharon Kroopf Alamo does other reading.
On another one (Mar 7th, Part 24, #126) Tony claims he is a highly chosen vessel of the Lord, written of in the 11th chapter of the book of Revelation (claiming he is one of the two witnesses), saying he won't die out of season. He says God will kill those who seek to harm him. Is this guy delusional, or what!!!!

Susie (I'm still waiting for my check from the CIA, FBI, Crimestoppers, etc)

[no_stoppin_me]

You see how arrogant Tony is? He thinks he will continue to get away with the child abuse, child rape, etc.

I don't believe that he will go into hiding this time. He will flaunt around and proclaim that he is the chosen one, bla bla.

Good grief, where is my Vatican, CIA, FBI, White House check? They need to get with the program already. I have bills to pay for crying out loud.

[saved_21570]

Does anyone know how to get a head count of the kids and others that are in the the church, and/or Tony's house? Nuncio has uttered one of my greatest fears.

We really have no idea if one of these kids, or one of his wives has been severely hurt or killed already.

It is very clear from the escalating pattern of abuse that once Tony gets a taste for blood, others will die. His paranoia and rage will not stop at one.

Once he made the final decision to commit fornication with one woman, did he stop? No.

He has become a cage for unclean spirits. When one of these spirits takes hold of him, he tries to appease it. It started with verbal abuse. Then escalated to physical abuse, then rape. The next step is obvious.

I wonder how many "Doegs" he has in his camp?

Who will do his killing for him? I hope that if any are left that love the Lord, that they get out before that happens.

Tom

[smitty]

Quote by myself from a previous thread:"Paperclip: Here's one for you. A number of years ago when both Tony and Scientology were going after CAN there was some sort of meeting between some brothers Tony sent and a Dr. Gordon Melton who is the director of the Institute for New Religions here in S.B. After tracking down some links with then I found a site that links the Institute with Opus Dei (a semi-secret Catholic lay order with connections to right wing types in Latin America). Tonys swerving into the doctrines you write about happened after this meeting.I've not much to go on right now, but it IS interesting isn't it? Stay tuned for more....."

So..I have heard that Joey Orlando was one of the bros. sent by Tony to confer w/ Dr. Melton. What was said Hmmm? Sounds to me like most of the real perversions Tony got into were after this alliance between the Foundation, Scientology and the Institue for New Religions....

[internuncio]

It is truly just a matter of time before world pastor Alamo begins to issue death sentances for members both in and out of his cult who "come against him" or do not obey him. I heard out of Tony Alamo's own mouth, on a taped message, a few years ago how Joshua had mighty men of God who would kill anyone who disobeyed or came against Joshua. His next statement was the one that got my attention the most. He then said that he, Tony Alamo, was more godly than Joshua so how much more should his followers obey him.

This is what I like to call froggy syndrome. He turned up the heat and they never caught on. He slowly gets them to where they do not notice they have, by being silent about his crazed comments, sealed their own fate.

There is no telling how many "mighty men" Tony has doing his bidding. I know for a fact that John Kolbek and Anna Moan have carried out very brutal beatings on his behalf. Through the years Tony has never lacked a muscle to do his dirty work. It is a fact that his dirty work only gets dirtier. Let's not forget that Tony now has ex-cons who follow him and will do anything he asks. He gives them young virgin wives and they are happy to follow their leader, world pastor Alamo. This situation is not about ex members who have a grudge. There are very real lives at stake here.

[no_stoppin_me]

Kind of interesting that the Alamoites have not posted their Praise Tony's in a few days???

Maybe they are waiting for him to get out of the sack so he can give them instructions on what to post. We all know they wouldnt dare do anything on their own.

[hollydolly]

i sure hope tony isn't arrogant enough to send his ex con followers to my door............they'll meet my 44 magnum <font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font>!!!!!........hey jeanette why don't you post anymore? not allowed? i really need your help in explaining how your mom and dad would do anything you want.......its always been that way jeanie o always gets her way now doesn't she? comeon no offense intented really its just a fact and u know it don't talk to me about spoiled! lol jeanette is probably one of the most strong willed woman i've ever known i doubt that changed over time.......if she didn't want to be there she wouldn't be. and if she didn't want to go back the first time she went home she wouldn't have gone back!don't kid yourselves people jeanette wouldn't be in a situation where she didn't have an ounce of leverage! just not her nature reguardless of brainwashing

[iasmann]

It's already a fact that Tony sent two people to Nashville to check into the possibility of blowing up the old Alamo because Angelo had bought it and had a successful clothing store there.

The thing that angers Tony even more than someone coming against him is to see someone who has left his cult be successful.

He thrives on the failure of others. He expects and gets failure from all his minions. No matter how hard they work for him he is never pleased with them. He'll occasionaly throw them a bone of praise but that's only so he can feel good about himself. It makes him feel very benevolent when he compliments one of them because none of them deserve it in his eyes. Later when he has them beaten he feels better about it.

That's one of the reasons they stay there. They have bought into his lie that they are all failures without him. He has them convinced that without him they will fail and go to hell.

That's why when he saw Angelo succeeding at business it enraged him. Of course to top it off God arranged it so that Angelo was successfully operating out of a location Tony had lost due to his own failures. This was like salt in the wound to him. So he conspired with some tree crew workers who were on a blasting job and had access to some dynamite. He sent them to Nashville on a recon mission. They went over after the store had closed to check it out. They told Tony that a policeman had seen them and that they thought he had gotten their lic. plate # so the plan was dropped.

That was about 10 years ago so who knows what he's up to now. All those young girls and hardly any kids. It sure is suspicious. He keeps them locked away so if one of them was pregnant, no one except the others would know. He's had them beaten for even opening a door. He says he keeps them out of sight because he doesn't want the men at the harem/cult lusting after them. Maybe it's because he doesn't want anyone to know they are pregnant. Then when the baby comes he has it snuffed and buried some where. The wives may not even know. He might tell them it's being adopted and then give it to someone like Kolbeck to snuff and bury.

At this point I wouldn't put anything past him.

I doubt that he would send any of them for abortions because he is against that and wouldn't want word to get out. It would ruin his image.

[hollydolly]

yes thanks for bringing up that issue! how does tony sleep with all those young fertile woman and only have 3 kids? hmmmmm?

[smitty]

Folks,we might just want to back it down a wee bit here. While we are talking about the possibility of killing, let's not freak ourselves out and start beliving it's fact just yet. I'm not afraid of them either, but let's not over heat ourselves.

[iasmann]

The story about Angelo's store is a fact. He had a couple of people make a special trip to Nashville to see about blowing up Angelo's store.
You don't pull someone off a job and pay to send them halfway across the country if you are not serious.
Suppose they had blown it up. Do you think he would have cared if Angelo was inside.
Do you think he would have cared if some bum sleeping in the alley got killed. I don't. I think he would have covered it up and denied it just like all his other atrocities.

I don't know what he's up to. But, I wouldn't put anything past him at this point. So far everything else that he's accused others of he has been guilty of himself. I wouldn't be a bit surprised to find out that he had blood on his hands as well.

[smitty]

Hi Ian: Your previous post was the first time I heard of that. I'm just saying that for the other allegations we have first-person testimony of what was done.The best evidence for this other stuff so far, is your testimony (and I'm not doubting your integrety or truthfulness)but your info is at best (I'm guessing) second-hand. I feel we ought to keep on wittnessing to what he HAS done, and then guard against what he MAY do. In any case, i'm already prepared (if you catch my drift...)
Regards to the both of you, and Thanks to your son Scott!
Tom Smith (NRA member since '95)

[iasmann]

My info comes from the horse's mouth so to speak. Not one of the ones who went to Nashville but one of the ones who reported in to Tony and who was invoved in sending them.

Believe me it's true.

[the_truth]

http://www.teachinghearts.org/dre07laws2notes.htm

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article12499.htm

http://media.spikedhumor.com/12139/resistance%202.WMV

http://www.reformation.org/pope-and-iraq.html

http://www.reformation.org/axis-of-evil.html

[hollydolly]

truth---u are truly retarded! lololol we are not talking about the war or anythign else other than u following a pervert! u <font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font>! stupid ugly ass1lolololoilo

[smitty]

Ian: Well, O.K. Forewarned is forearmed

[anchored]

>>>>>>"His next statement was the one that got my attention. He then said that he, Tony Alamo, was more godly than Joshua so how much more should his followers obey him."<<<<<<

Sounds like something Mr. Ego would say. Let's face it, pastor perv thinks he's more godly than God, himself, since he thinks himself above keeping God's commandments.

The perv has been sent strong delusion and now believes his own lies.

He is what God calls a cruel taskmaster.

The Lord said "Learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls, For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light."

I thank God that He is nothing like Pastor Ego Alamo.

[wilma]

Ian,
Even while I was still in the Foundation (around court time) I heard mention of blowing up Bennetti's store and news of the Tyne House burning down (did that ever happen...still never heard for sure?). These topics were always discussed in hushed tones as though they were accussations brought by the "enemies" and were always discounted as false. Same with Justin Miller's severe child abuse, that I later found out DID happen.

There were so many secrets, and there was always fear in the air. Always....such as:
"Did you hear _______ got sent back to LA?
Did you hear _________ got beat over at the Spec House last night?
Did you hear four teachers got spanked last night?
Did you hear Tony kicked ______ and his family out last night?
Did you hear Tony kicked _______ out without his family last night?
Did you hear the _______ family left last night?"

Does that bring back memories??????
Susie

[daddys_gurl]

even at 13 we would "whisper" about all that. Especially if it were one of the kids that were being kicked out or spanked. I especially remember when the Pryors left. Steph being one of my best friends and all &amp; Mrs Pryor being one of the best teachers....we "whispered" for days about what may have happened. Its sad to think back and never be told or understand why exactly one of your best friends are being torn out of your life. They just never show up one day and then the "whispering starts...........Well TA, just so you know we are still friends......stupid idiot!! I wish I could be there to see you poop your pants when you go down!!! HA,HA,HA.......LOL

[hollydolly]

i remember when i was 8 and all the kids were standing in line getting ready to march down the "kings highway" kody miller who was behind me in line who also was a very good friend of mine well someone wispered in his ear it may have been bob miller can't really remember but then they went walking really fast out the front door of the church i never saw kody again thats until we were 17 anyways the sick part is for years we were made to believe that the millers were evil kidnappers and i felt so sorry for sue and carol {their mothers} but it really was quite the opposite bob just wanted the best for his children and their mother chose tony alamo and the foundation over her kids. when i met up with all of them years later i learned that the bob miller we all liked as kids, the fun-loving big kid that he was.......well it was who he was and he loved those boys very much and did everything he could for them............<font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font> u sue and your master papa perv! lololol

[internuncio]

Tom,

In an earlier post you asked if there was any way to get some kind of a head count of the people who are members of the Alamo cult. I wanted to answer that question for you.

NO, there is no way to get any kind of count. Women and children are giving birth at such an alarming rate that it is staggering. They give birth with the assistance of a church member / midwife. From what I hear the midwife, Bonnie Tiner, is very good... there have been no maternal deaths as of yet and only a few infant deaths. Alamo does not alow members to obtain legal marriage licenses nor does he allow the children who are born into his cult to obtain social security cards or birth certificates. There are literally hundreds of unaccounted children in Alamo's cult.

It is interesting to note this fact. As soon as a young girl, still a child herself, has begun menstruating, sometimes even before she has begun to menstruate, she is given in marriage, in the Alamo cult. These girls begin having babies as young as 13 years old and most of them continue to have babies every year with out the chance for their body to rest and recover from the last pregnancy. There is no actual medical care and these same young girls very rarely are eating a diet well balanced enough for a typical growing teen ager, let alone a teen ager who's body is being constantly depleted of minerals and vitamins due to a constant pregnant state.

It is important that this question is asked. WHY is Tony having these women breed this way? Is it because the only way to increase his numbers is to do it from with in? Is it because he knows that a child bride will believe she can not survive with so many children out side the confines of the cult and it assures him that less members will leave? I think so.... but who knows!

[daddys_gurl]

that sounds about right to me.
And Bonnie Tiner is such a good midwife cause years back he sent her and my mom to Dallas to actually go through the "real" and proper training. They did tons of births before the raid in 91. And as a matter of fact TA was sending people to come to our house AFTER we left so my mom could deliver there babies. That stopped real quick when a certain someone had severe problems.... When only the mother showed up to the hospital w/out baby the cops came straight to our house to be sure he was unharmed. Of course he was fine and that was it. But luckily my mom was smart enough to stop doing that.

[internuncio]

It is just like "world pastor Alamo" to show how much he cares for the "flock" that "god set him over" by puting them in legal and physical danger. He prooves every day that he does not care one bit about their physical or spiritual well being and their emotional well being is his very last concern.

[hollydolly]

i really wish these woman could open their eyes, it seems so easy to recognize to me how alamo is using them.why is it not obvious to you woman that tony could give a rats <font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font> about you? all of his followers and his woman are the hoes and he is the pimp he uses you people either to bring in money for him or to fullfill his sexual lusts! you are prostituting your entire lives believing a lie!the lie being alamo himself not the gospel he preaches he may very well be 75% correct in how he translates the scriptures and this is all it takes to get you to believe everything he does is right? it verges on stupidity ladies!i hope you are having some fun on this side! because i'm really not sure god will allow u to enter into his kingdom........being turned over to believe a lie and all.

[internuncio]

Holly Dolly,

If you think for even a fraction of a second that Papa Perv is translating scriptures in a remotely Biblical way you need to go and listen to his radio broad cast. He twists and perverts every scripture, he has his women read, into nonsence that is beyond anyone's comprehension.

Did you all know that the labor department wanted Papa Perv to write pay checks to the members of the church who work for him? This is what world perv Alamo says in his own words, with his own mouth on his national radio braodcast. Oh but the kicker is this... He thinks it is ludacrous to pay people who work for him because he provides them with homes and food and he pays for them to have children. I guess world perv Alamo has forgotten that little scripture that says, "The workman is due his hire".

World Perv Alamo thinks the people who work for him and support him are worthless pieces of garbage. He thinks they are still "hippies" who could not make it with out him.

Did you know that even though Susie Alamo has been dead for so long that her flesh has rotted right off the bones he still thinks she is coming back to be one of the two witnesses with him?! Wonder what ole battle axe Susie Alamo would say if she did happen to come back right while he was pelvis deep in some young 13 year old virgin?! I bet she would kill him, herself! The thing is, she isn't coming back. And when the Lord wipes Papa Perv off the earth he will not come back either.

Did you all know that Papa Perv is so scared right now of being caught and jailed or killed? He isn't sleeping much and he is driving his wives crazy with paranoia. They are all scared because he is scared. He is telling them to prepare to be jailed and he is telling them not to be wimps. He is telling them they must suffer for the gospel. Guess what Papa Perv, it isn't for the gospel's sake that they will be arrested. It will be because they sat by while you RAPED and MOLESTED little girls!!! It is because they took part in beatings that were immoral and illegal!

Papa Perv, You said in your radio broadcast a few nights ago that people think you are sinning because they are not spiritual enough to see that you are simply doing what God told you to do. You said you are accomplishing your mission. When did God make it your mission to bed every petite, child like, girl you could get your filthy hands on?

When did Sharon Krooph become so irrational and so deluded that she believed it was okay for you to bed girls younger than her own daughter???

Oh and this is for you Tony Alamo, aka Papa Perv.... WHY is it that you acknowlege your son Zion and your daughter Antoinette on your CDs and you say they will follow in their daddy's foot steps, but you do NOT acknowlege your son TABOR, whom Lydia Willis bore unto you???? Is it possible that you have killed your son TABOR? Or maybe you don't consider him a son because he is born of a black woman. Maybe you are just a mean old piece of garbage and you like to leave him out just because you can. Who knows.... Does the federal govornment need to check on that boys safety and where abouts?

Your cup of iniquity is near to over flowing. You will be cut down suddenly! REPENT!!!!

[iasmann]

Out of all the maybes you present, I think mean old piece of garbage fits the bill nicely.

[internuncio]

I don't know Ian, Tony has called Lydia the N word many times while beating her physically and while screaming at her for being what he called a "stupid n" and it is a fact that he treated the son he had by Lydia very poorly. He also severly mistreated the other black child in the house, who was the son of Michele Jones and Kenya. It isn't all supposition. There are undisputable facts presented as well.

[daddys_gurl]

Does anyone know where the "secretaries" live??? are they in Ft Smith or Texarkana?? Or is it a HUGE big secret?

[daddys_gurl]

Does anyone know where the "secretaries" live??? are they in Ft Smith or Texarkana?? Or is it a HUGE big secret?

[iasmann]

Yeah.

Mean old piece of hatefilled, jealousy ridden, racist, child molesting, child abusing, wife beating, rapist, homosexual, lying, thieving, perjured, backslidden, plagiarizing, reprobate piece of perverted drunken garbage would be more like it and that's just the Readers Digest version.

I know garbage doesn't have feelings but I can't help feeling bad about trashing garbage by associating it with Tony. Garbage didn't choose to be garbage. Tony did.

[internuncio]

Excellent! Garbage IS too nice a name for Papa Perv! Good point! I stand corrected.

[internuncio]

Daddys Gurl,

World pastor Alamo has most of his wives with him where ever he lives. At times his god tells him he is in danger and that they must quickly leave town. When he leaves he takes his favorite wives (who ever that may be at the time) and his little daughter and his oldest son Zion with him. The other wives who are less appealing to him, like Michele Jones who has always been the odd wife out, are left at the "office". At various times wives are put away from him for different reasons. They can do things wrong in varying degrees... from mis-reading a "response" or forgetting to give Tony a fax or an email all the way to imaginary sins such as fantasicizing about imaginary men who they supposedly want to fornicate with. These are the interesting sins because they usually get beaten for not confessing.... what the man of god doesn't realize is they don't want to confess to things they haven't done. Usually they do break down and confess to the sin they didn't commit and they are then beaten more for lying put on fasts for ungodly amounts of time and berated still for hours on end. It usually ends when Tony has them taken to live with Vikki Larison or some one else (often times a family member who is still in the church) who is considered trustworthy.

[iasmann]

People may think that I hate Tony because of the way I mock him. This is not true. I’m just trying to help prepare him for the future when God mocks him forever and ever.

Tony, think back to the cries and pleas of little Lizzie. I’m sure you reminisce those memories frequently and fondly. Enjoy it now because it won’t be long before you will be crying out the same things. Begging your eternal tormentor to stop, to have mercy. Remember how she cried and pleaded. You’ll be doing it soon. But you won’t be doing it alone if that’s any consolation. The grown men who stood around listening but were too cowardly to help or maybe just to reprobate to care will be there with you. What a reunion of hatred and torment that will be. You blaming them. Them blaming you. All of you screaming and crying for mercy and hearing back only the echo of a little 15 year old girl who cried out to you. But you left her alone to her tormentor and now God leaves you alone to yours forever and ever. She at least had hope that it would be end but you’ll have no hope.

Tony always used to say that if you really knew what Hell was like you wouldn’t want even your worst enemy to go there. I used to believe that. I don’t believe it now. I’ll be glad when Tony and those who are assisting him wind up in Hell. Knowing the word of God and doing what they do; they deserve it.

Lizzie I apologize to you. Tony will probably beat you because of the things I’m saying. He’ll be mad at me but he’ll blame you and take it out on you because you are weak and defenseless.

[hollydolly]

what do u mean by "she pleaded"?---lizzy?

[iasmann]

She begged Tony to stop.

[cja]

Internuncio, I was there and witnessed the abuse that Lydia endured .........and still does. It was unbelievable. I heard the "N" word constantly when he talked to her. He also hated his own son TABOR ALAMO because he was Lydia's son .......meaning half black. It was so sad. I looked at her face so many times when he would verbally (over the phone) rip her apart and she would just stare with no emotions. It was like she was dead. That's what I call sad! It freakin broke my heart! Is Tabor even alive? I notice there is never any talk of him. I wonder if freak Alamo killed him? I know people think it's nuts to say that but if anyone really knows how nuts TA is it's nothing new. He is a serious nut job! I don't put anything pass him.

[iasmann]

I agree cja. At one time I would never have believed any of the things we now know beyond a shadow of a doubt that Tony is doing. Murder is only a short step from where he is now.
He works overtime to cover up his actions so who knows what else he's done.

[internuncio]

Unholy Alamo likes to play word games.
He denies having multiple wives because he only has one legally licensed wife, Sharron Krooph. He doesn't call slapping an adult in the face what it is, he calls it "smiting". He doesn't call abusing a child by having them beaten by grown men, with a 2x4 board 40-120 times abuse, he calls it godly discipline or a spanking. He doesn't call beating his wives, wife abuse, he calls that righteous indignation (pssst Tony, the Bible says BE ANGRY AND SIN NOT!)Tony loves little word games. I know from listening to his tapes and from being in his cult for so many years that he is already preparing his followers for death sentances that will be issued soon, if they are not already being issued. Tony Alamo has a way of slowly preparing his cult members (cooks the frog slowly)so that they would actually give their children in marriage! Once, a long time ago god told Tony that girls should not wear make up until they were 14 years old. I guess as is customary, god changed his mind. Now girls are married off at 12 in that place.

Oh Tony Alamo, your cup of iniquity is almost full! Soon, very soon, you will be cut down and hewn into the fire! REPENT!!!!

[internuncio]

Tony Alamo,

To repent means to turn away from sin.
To repent you must call a solemn assembly and publicly confess you have sinned against God and against man. You must release all of your illegal and immoral wives. You must confess with your mouth, to them, and to God that you have sinned against them. You must release them to their families. You must fall on your face before God and confess that you are a sinner. You must tell the congregation of followers that you are no longer the anointed man of God. You must tell them to fall on their faces and repent themselves, before God, for worshipping you. You have all left you first love. You have all exchanged RELATIONSHIP (with God) for RELIGION! Your ego has made you exalt yourself above God. You have been warned and still, your heart is hardened. You must REPENT! Your time on earth is not long. You will be cut down and thrown into the pit where the worm dieth not. The place you have told your followers they will go is the place you, yourself will go. You have raised yourself up as a prophet and a pastor and as an evangelist. By the standards of those offices you will be judged and found guilty.

REPENT OR PERISH! JESUS IS COMING. YOU WILL BE JUDGED AND FOUND WANTING!

[no_stoppin_me]

Boy have things sure have changed!!! I remember a bunch of us asking Tony if we could get our ears pierced. You would have thought we asked to run around the sanctuary naked for crying out loud. We had to sit there and listen to an hour of scriptures on why it was ungodly to pierce your ears.

Needless to say it was one of the first things I did when I was free!!!

[chevelle]

Is that your new thing now? To accuse Tony of murder? Do you think by getting on here and trying to portray Tony as a murderer that you will justify your wicked plans against the church? Tony would never commit murder and you know it. You are literally insane. God will repay you to your face for all that you are doing. TONY DOES NOT MURDER, TONY DOES NOT CONDONE MURDER, NOR DOES HE CONDONE ABUSE OF ANY KIND!!! HOW IS IT THAT A BUNCH OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOT EVEN SET A FOOT ON CHURCH PROPERTY IN YEARS CLAIM ALL THESE THINGS? YOU TWIST AND LIE AND YOU ARE TRYING TO MAKE PEOPLE BELIEVE ALL YOUR LIES... SO THAT YOU CAN JUSTIFY YOUR EVIL DOINGS.

[no_stoppin_me]

"YOU TWIST AND LIE AND YOU ARE TRYING TO MAKE PEOPLE BELIEVE ALL YOUR LIES... SO THAT YOU CAN JUSTIFY YOUR EVIL DOINGS." Uh, that would be your master, Tony Alamo.

How about child rape and taking children as his "wife"? Does Tony condone that? You forgot to address that one (as usual).

[iasmann]

I'm sure he'll call it putting the sin out from among you or executing the judgement of God. If God tells him to have you killed then it's not murder blah, blah, blah or some other thing like that. He's big into semantics.

At one time I would have said he's against polygamy, he's against child abuse, he's against rape, he's against theft, he's against child molestation, he's against homosexuality etc. But now I know he does all these things but calls them by a different name.

Hitler didn't call murder by it's true name either he called it a "solution." He called invasion "annexation." Serial killers blame their victims. It's the same thing. They're all liars. The devil is a liar and so is Tony.

If you are truly ignorant of his actions then someday when you find out his real nature you will be very angry that he deceived you and used you to help him commit these horrible crimes. Then you will understand where we are coming from.

I helped put him where he is today. While I was working to help build the church and ministry he was out getting drunk and picking up whores. He lied to me for years. I don't like being taken advantage of. If I can help to put him out of business I'll do it. If I can help to expose him I'll do it.

[daddys_gurl]

we are just questioning the well being of people and TA is gettin' scared huh..........none of you ALAMOITES have posted in a few days and now here you are.....

TA-are you scurred?? You should be.
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[iasmann]

>>>Tony would never commit murder and you know it.<<<

NO I DON'T KNOW IT!!

Tony plotted to blow up Angelo's store over 10 years ago. Who knows what he's up to now. Who knows what he's done since then.

So, again "NO I DON'T KNOW IT!!!!"

(Message edited by iasmann on March 31, 2006)

[hollydolly]

tony felt up a prostitute which happened to be a man in womans clothing, it was obviously a man! how does he condone that chevelle????? lol idiots ya no stoppin- i peirced alot more than my ears when i came of age, it was great having that freedom! i finally took my tongue ring out last year, had it 10 yrs!

[hollydolly]

i wonder why jeanette has never had a baby? hmmmmmmmmm

[iasmann]

Yeah, Michelle got on here and said TA didn't care about this board. Now he's talking about it on his radio show. He's scared. But the real scare will come after he croaks. When he descends into eternal torment and flames. When he sinks into despair with no hope of it ever ending.

[no_stoppin_me]

Can someone please elaborate on the whole "homosexual" thing concerning Tony? Is this just a rumor or are there facts to back it up?

[iasmann]

I've posted what I know several times already but I guess it's far back in the threads. So, I'll tell it again briefly.

I met a person who knew Tony when he was in prison. This person stated that Tony used to get erotic homosexual massages from at least one other inmate. Maybe more but they could only verify the one person.

The prison wouldn't allow conjugal visits with little teen and pre-teen girls. So he adapted.

He considers it being a survivor and blames us weasels who had him sent to jail because we weren't faithful.

If we had served the Lord then God would never have taken him away from us and put him in jail. God took him away from us to punish us and to show us how helpless we were without Tony. Because he was in there suffering for us (like another Jesus - only better in his eyes) he felt justified in taking a little pleasure from other men. It helped him to carry the tremendous burden we had placed on him by our unfaithfulness.

This is how his demented, warped, perverted, lustfilled, ego-maniacal mind thinks.

I truly believe he is beyond all hope. I don't believe he can repent anymore. His scales are his pride. They are the scales of spiritual blindness that God has placed on his eyes. No air can get through and no light. He's doomed and he's earned it. I know you can't earn salvation but you can sure earn Hell. Tony always used to say he'd be in the Bellaire of Heaven. Instead he'll be in the septic tank of Hell.

LOL ROFL

[no_stoppin_me]

Tony is so wack! I remember after Susie died, that Tony said the reason that God didnt heal her was because there was so much sin in the "camp".

So it is no surprise that he would blame his jail time on anyone other than himself. The very people who are out working to feed his lazy a$$, he blames for putting him in jail. Go figure...

[hollydolly]

being a homo in prison is one thing we all know about those stories but the story about the prostitute who was a man dressed as a woman is True! i was told by an eye witness.tony was corrupt long before any of us really realize.

[saved_21570]

Ian,

"His scales are his pride." That is a revelation from the Word that bears witness. His ego (pride) is also the "everlasting chains" that hold him "reserved....under darkness unto the judgement of the great day."

I believe that the terror of what he has done is brought to him with glimpses into reality, but t even though he is terrorized and tortured, he can no longer repent.

no_stoppin,

Tony always associated Sue's cancer with sin in the church, that it was an outward manifestation of what was happening spiritually in the church. I believe that Tony is the cancer, and obviously, that church has died.

Instead of being used as an image of Christ, he is now being used as an image of the antiChrist to come. We as God's people are being moved to compel any, that belong to Christ, to come out from among her; and be not a partaker of the judgment that is soon to befall her.

God is amazing, love in Christ Tom

[cja]

"Truth", next time you talk to papa perv asked about the oriental freind he had in prison and about his "whole body" massages he would pay him for. That's papa perv for you...... if he can't get off raping little children (because behind bars) he'll get off being a F-G! Pape perv is sick,sick,sick!!!!! You're probably one of his lovers too the way you stick up for him! SICKO!

[hollydolly]

i can't speak fo everyone here but i would like to make it very clear to papa perv that i am only giving my time to this message board because of the attachments with my childhood friends.........it has nothing to do with you tony i could honestly care less please don't think u mean jack <font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font> to anybody but yourself and ofcourse those dumbasses that fear u.

[internuncio]

Isn't it amazing that the Alamo supporters are aghast that anyone would suspect Phoney Alamo would order a murder?! They also are aghast that anyone would say Unholy Alamo was a pedophile, rapist! It is worthy to note, yet again, that Alamo has had sexual intercourse with MANY children under the age of 16! It is an absolute fact that after he forcibly took Elizabeth Guiterez' virginity he bragged about it over the pulpit. He said it took him 3 days to break her in because she was so small. He also made it public knowlege that he had to have one of his young, petite wives Isabel Mendosa, opened by a doctor because she could not accomodate his penis. In addition Tony Alamo said that the reason god gave him young tight girls is because he had been such a man of god and a prophet bla bla bla!

It is also interesting to note how crazy the parents of these children are. John Kolbek and Jennifer Jones-Kobek gave their daughter Desere' to Unholy Alamo when she was only 9 years old. John Kolbek bragged that Tony Alamo told them that their little girl was the most beautiful girl at his house (of horrors). A side note for you all: Desere Kolbek is the niece of Michele Jones, wife to Tony Alamo (she was taken while pregnant, when Tony Alamo kicked her husband out of the church and then took Michele as his own wife)

Phoney Alamo has little girls come stay at his house and says that he is having them hang out to keep his wives company and to go to school. It is The Missions School. I wonder if there are any certified teachers at unholy Alamo's school of horrors. Debbie Ondersack is one of the teachers. I guess for her it is good. Since now she can see her daughter Alys who became an Alamo bride at the tender age of 11 years old. Sweet huh!. WHY doesn't he have little boys and young teen age boys come over??? Did you know that sicko Alamo actually kicked Jordan (Michele's son) out of his house when he got to be a (pre)teen ager. I guess he thought Jordan was some kind of competition... or perhaps he thought that Jordan was loking at his wives. Tony thinks everyone is lusting for his wives. He is frighteningly paranoid! In addition, Jordan is a disgrace to unholy Alamo because he is part african american (the son of Kenya Williams, Tonys ex-wife Dianna's son). Tony Alamo refers to this young boy, who he beat almost to death when he was a toddler, as a ni*ger. Just some interesting facts to ponder.

[cja]

Tony told me the same thing about Isabel! Thank God for all you that are helping expose this MONSTER!
By the way, I think papa perv or (PP) is so fitting. Good name guys!

[raining]

Chevelle
In a previous post you stated, "TONY DOES NOT MURDER, TONY DOES NOT CONDONE MURDER, NOR DOES HE CONDONE ABUSE OF ANY KIND!"

What about Justin Miller and several of the other kids being beaten at Tony's command with the "board of education" while they were suspended spread eagle in mid-air, receiving 120 + swats? That is CHILD ABUSE! How can you lie and say Tony does not condone abuse of any kind???

Are you going to lie and defend tony by saying those beatings didn't happen?

[willing2learn]

Well, I reckon I couldnt stay away. I been readin' over these messages since I last left a post and I gotta say...makes me want to do somethin'. but I know y'all gotta be feelin' the same way.
I been doin' some research since I came here last time. Seems this tony creton is up to alot of know good like y'all been sayin'. i couldn't find the story 'bout this marriage that was taken place in early-march, but i did get my son n law to look in to it. if ya remember i told ya he is a lawyer in town. like a pit bull he is. locks on and don't let go. he found out that it wasn't a real ceremony that was happenin'. there are no records of a marriage license applied for. but, there were arrests that same day and yes, the local police did make a call to the church over here on windsor.
I had my granddaughter print out for me alot of these here messages and we took 'em to the prosecuting attorney over here in town 'bout a week ago. hopin' to hear they do somethin' with the information they have now. sure would like nothin' more than to see this fella put away.
makes me sick that this creton is walkin along, doing his own thing, when people are sufferin' for it.
i know y'all don't know me much beyond what i posted here over a day or two, few weeks back. but i learned a few things over my almost 81 years here in this world. you stickup for what's right and the rest be damned. do the right thing and your bound to never fail.
i went ahead and hired my son n law to look in to this and take this fella on. if there any of you folks who would like to contact me leave me a message here how to contact you and i will call you. my son n law said he'd be willin to talk to anyone that has more information.

y'al take care now, and keep doin what's right.

[internuncio]

In a recent radio broadcast Tony Alamo has a young Pebbles (one of his many wives... wife #11 if my count is correct, and she was the tender age of 13 years old) telling a story about a dream she had where in her mother was dead. In the dream Pebbles says she is being told by people who love her that her mom is now safe in heaven and that her mom is a good woman, etc. Pebbles then says, characteristically, that in her head, in the dream, she KNEW her mom was not in heaven but rather burning in the pits of hell! (since her mom is not in the church she is told by Alamo that her mother is going to hell. Anyone kicked out of the confines of the Alamo cult, according to Alamo, is going to hell) She says she was sobbing harder than she has ever cried before at the thought that her mom was, not dead, but in hell. Tony then says that his Ft. Smith informant has told him that Pebbles mom is one of the people who is coming against the church. (Side note, the woman who is Pebbles mom is not the brightest crayon in the box and is not computer literate enough to get on here to help expose unholy Alamo for the pedophile, child rapist that he is!) The prophet (said with eyes rolling in the back of my head... because TA is no prophet) then tells this young Pebbles that her dream was from God and that her mother is going to burn in hell for coming against the church and coming against the man of God. (P.S. Tony Alamo also tells Pebbles that her mother has one foot in the grave and the other in a cemetary)

He then has Michele Jones read "responces". The majority of the responces are from third world countries. The reason he gets so many responces from their world countries like Uganda, Africa and places like that is because these people in these countries are so ignorant to people like Tony Alamo. If they knew of his sexual deviance they would string him up and kill him, and some may even eat him alive!

After the responces are read Tony Alamo asks WHY anyone would want to come against him when all he wants to do is win souls for God.

Okay, here is a news flash for you since you can't get it through your thick head... No one wants to come against a holy soul winner. No one wants to stop a person who is filled with the LOVE of Christ and wants to LOVE sick souls back to health. What we are all sick and stinking tired of, Tony Alamo, is people like YOU who want to use their pulpit and their power to pervert the word of God in order to obtain multiple, young, and child, wives. You are an OLD stinking, man! You are almost 80 years old and you are fondeling and fornicating with these little girls! They think you are a man of God. They believe that you have some kind of inside knowlege about where they will spend eternity so they do what you tell them to do! Do you not understand that it is wrong to force people into marriage? Think back for me, back to when you kicked Elizabeth Guiterez' parents out. (give them a vision of the streets, you know, your word form god for them?!?) Think about how you FORCED yourself on to that little girl. What about Jody Fryer? Why did you rape her when she was 16 years old? How about Amy Eddie? Jeannie Orlando who was 15 years old? Alys Ondersack who was 11 years old, Pebbles who was 13 years old? Desere Kolbeck who was 9 years old when she moved into your house?

When your step daughter Rebeckah Krooph was a little girl, why did you take her into your bedroom and shut and lock the door and make her give you body massages? Why did she always come out of your bed room looking shell shocked? God knows why, Tony Alamo. One day all of your filthy secrets will be shouted fromthe roof tops for all to hear!

REPENT!!!!

[wilma]

Glad to see the messge board is up and running again.

Happy to see you again too, "willing2learn". Just be cautious, cause Tony Alamo will probably have his baby-cretons trying to trick you into telling them what you're up to. I, for one, am glad you're up to something! I wish someone could do something to stop this man from defiling more little girls.

School is pretty intense right now, so I'll only be able to post in spurts. It's good to see lots of people participating on the board.......I wish all the lurkers would join in too. From what I've been told there are LOTS of people reading this board.
SusieG

[iasmann]

Tony gets responses from third world countries because he steals spirit filled books and literature and passes it off as his own. Like the Messiah book. These third world people don't realize that he didn't write the stuff and that he actually practices what he preaches against.

They are too far away to investigate his ministry and being Christians they are very naive and they believe what he says. Why should he lie.

In most third world countries, particularly in Africa and India, the type of activity that Tony engages in is routinely practiced by various heathen sects. Over there if someone wants to do what Tony does (rape, wife beat, child molest, steal , lie, sodomize, etc.) he doesn't have to hide in a cult he just does it and society looks the other way. Over there being a Christian means you reject these things.

They hear of all these souls being saved and don't realize that he is speaking of things that haven't happened in 25 to 30 or more years.

[hbananna]

"It is an absolute fact that after he forcibly took Elizabeth Guiterez' virginity he bragged about it over the pulpit. He said it took him 3 days to break her in because she was so small. He also made it public knowlege that he had to have one of his young, petite wives Isabel Mendosa, opened by a doctor because she could not accomodate his penis."

I am disgusted that anyone dare call this person a man of God. There is obviously no fear of God nor love of God in his heart, and I suspect there never was. I would say “Shame on these mothers and fathers who allow their children to be abused in the name of God” except I don’t entirely blame them for their behavior. It is my opinion that they are all victims of the “battered wife syndrome”. TA being their “husband/leader” and the followers being the “wives”. An interesting article explains this syndrome titled “Why women stay. Understanding the battered wife”. The same explanation has been applied to cult followers. The injustice of abuse is all the more destructive when society punishes the victim through ignorance. The more of us who understand the complex effects of abuse, the less tolerance there will be for this behavior in our communities. People who have been wronged to the point of taking out their rage on others can be treated and helped to have useful lives. The survivors of their ill-directed revenge can also. Let's all work, each in our own way, toward this goal.

Why is it that many woman don't leave their abusive partners? Once the reasons they don't are understood, it becomes clear why battered women so often react with shame and confusion when asked to explain their behavior, and why it is so inappropriate to conclude that if they were up against real abuse they would leave. Actually, the opposite is true. Let me explain.
One of the ways psychologists study behavior is by setting up problems for laboratory rats used as experimental subjects; consider one of those experiments. A rat is put in to a small enclosure. His food and water dishes are in one corner placed on an electric grid. When the rat goes to his dishes sometimes he is allowed to eat and drink. At other times he gets a shock. There is no way for him to prevent the shock because it is administered entirely at random. No matter how he tries to approach his dishes sometimes he is shocked and sometimes he isn't. The rat has no control over the shock in this situation because getting the shock has nothing what so ever to do with the rat's behavior. If the gate to his enclosure is open, studies have shown that the rat usually doesn't leave. Instead he cowers, positioned somewhere between the food and water he needs to sustain his life and the gate through which he could leave. Essentially he is frozen, unable to approach or leave his source of sustenance.

[hbananna]

Another way to understand this phenomenon is to consider a common brain washing technique used by cults to take away normal independent volition. In this system a person is treated with alternately positive and then negative regard and behavior for no reliably ascertainable reason. People treated this way fall into pleasing behavior, trying to get the positive response.
The historical record of the behavior of guards and inmates in prison camps offers another analogy that can also fit the battered woman's situation. Guards often treated inmates erratically sometimes offering kindness (food, shelter, relief from labor) and sometimes meting out sadistic cruelty (beatings, starvation, and random shooting). Again, there was no way to prevent the cruelty or to earn the more humane treatment. This resulted in many prisoners giving up and becoming indifferent to beatings and self care. They stopped washing or feeding themselves and didn't move to shelter to avoid the cold winds. People reduced to this state died rapidly.
I think this is much the same state battered women speak of as a "fog" they existed in while living with their abusers. Psychologists recognize this dangerous state of apathy in domestic abuse victims. It can signal the time just before these women are finally killed by their perpetrator.
So why would anyone get caught up in this terrible situation in the first place? Why wouldn't they get out at the very first sign of mistreatment? Let me offer a quick, and to that end incomplete, explanation: A major reason we all pick the partners we do is in hopes of getting the love we longed for (and didn't fully get) from our parents. The problem is that in our unconscious cleverness we pick psychologically "reasonable facsimiles" of our parents, and therefore we wind up with a partner who in many ways acts like our mother or father. So if our parents mistreated us as kids, we will likely pick partners capable of similar abuse. Since we still need love and approval, we still continue to try, fruitlessly, to get their love and approval just as we tried with our parents.
Women that stay with abusive partners very often have had abusive parents. To them it's normal to get hurt by the people you love. Their self esteem is very low from childhood mistreatment and is further undermined by violence from their partners. No wonder women can't give a good reason for why they stay: It would take therapy (and education) to understand it themselves. If they had good therapy, they could learn that they didn't cause or deserve the abuse. Then they would leave.

Let us pray that these victims are delivered soon from their torment.

[skeptik]

It's rather interesting, these responses from 3rd World nations in regards to Alamo literature, when they all sound almost exactly alike. So my question is, does the Foundation really have an international outreach, or is there someone at the Foundation that just creates them?

[iasmann]

I like the rat analogy best. Except of course Tony is the rat in this case.

[internuncio]

what is the rat analogy?

[wilma]

Skeptik,
To answer your question, as someone who worked in the Foundation tape department for over ten years, I can say firsthand that the Foundation does receive letters from many foreign countries. When I was there, often the letters consisted of a student English writing assignment project, asking for a cassette tape and a ball point pen. They have a picture in mind, of a rich American ministry, who will supply them with some simple needs.
For the actual foreign Christians who write asking for tracts, Bibles, and money, they have no idea that Tony Alamo is a criminally insane pedophile. They only know his claim to being the World Pastor. Lucky for them that their little daughters are far away and Tony can't get his hands on them.
Susie G

[iasmann]

The rat analogy is actually the rat experiment outlined by Hbanana. Last paragraph of post #9

[weaned_child]

to 'the_truth': you gotta admit folks can’t help but wonder if there is anyone at all there who still knows the Lord.