For any new xmembers of the TA foundation

[peacefulgrace]

I've only left there recently and came here thinkng that other former members would want to hear what is going on inside the walls of the foundation. the beatings that are given the ok by ta himself, the backstabbing, the separation of families, so on.
but as you can see from other places here on this board, some of these so-called xmembers want nothing to do with actually helping you to get over what you have been thru.
once you tell your story there are those like internuncio who while not identifying themselves, will pressure you to identify yourself, pressure you for details, then call you a liar and a fake when you don't feeed his lust for gossip.
if you want help, there is a place called Wellspring that helps people who have escaped cults. i'm going there soon as my babies can travel.
there is also the police. just as i did, go to them in your area, as soon as you can, and have any pictures of abuse documented, and tell them your story. they are the only help you will receive.
the former members here, while i don't know that all of them are like this, only seem to want gory details for their own kicks. they aint about helping you or doing anyhting more than sitting behind their screen with there eyes open like deer in the headlghts and then insulting you.
the law will help you.
it is maybe your only shot at getting the help you need. but don't depend on noone else to do it for you. if you dont do it it wont get done.

[in_gods_grace_holy]

Hello out there, I just escaped a Tony Alamo wannabe. He had spiritually abused 7 of us. His Army. He forced me to marry him all the while telling me awful lies, would turn the scriptures to suit his needs snd wants. He spent about 10 years that I'm aware of at the Foundation in hills of Suagus, CA. I was an highly intellegent woman when we met. I made a lot of money with all of a suddenly he took full control.So much to say. God Bless all those that know Alamo is a liar.

[mechelle]

hello peacefulgrace and in_gods_grace_holy just wanted to let you know that a lot of people are watching this message board looking and waiting for people like you that are couragous enough to post after what you have just came from, hoping that you might be one of our loved ones. I wish you the best.
Do all the people in the church know about this message board?
Lesia Heffner Christopher when you read this(I'm hoping you will leave soon) please call me, You are welcome at my house anytime, my number is listed. We love you and miss you and will welcome all of your family.
If either of you new xmembers know anything about them please tell me. Are they getting beat? Is Ashley, Sarah and Timothy ok? I know Lesia has three other children now with a man named Douglas Christopher are they ok?
If you can't answer me I understand I'm just concerned about my loved ones.

[hellsanngel]

I'll show the courage to talk about and expose the hyproacy and evil underlying, self serving message of alamo and his brainwashed minions and soldiers. I do not fear them. In fact I await the chance to confront. They are predators preying on the goodness and kind heart of people. They are no better that Jim Jones or Heaven's Gate, in fact, worse as they still have their evil working against those that are seeking fulfillment of a spiritual search. }

[the_truth]

hellsanngel -- perfect name for those who don't like Tony and his church.

and "peacefulgrace", you're a phoney who has already been verified a liar.

(Message edited by the_truth on April 13, 2006)

[hellsanngel]

In_gods_grace_holy, Congratulations and good for you for being able to find the strength to escape and begin healing your mind and spirit. Believe me the last thing Alamo and his wannabe want is for you to be a free thinking person. You are now on the right path. You are still a highly intelligent person. You have just been beat down, oppressed, and manipulated. Trust yourself. Believe in yourself. You do not have to lose an ounce of faith in God. You have just been handed a twisted, self serving interpertation of one persons vile scheming using the Lord as his scapegoat and tool to do his own evil work. I wish you success in_gods_grace_holy. Keep your faith and think for yourself. }

[in_gods_grace_holy]

The_truth...there was a day and time I would believe "just because you said you were the truth, foolish me and I admit it, but not any longer, because The truth only belongs to God only. I have woken up to the truth. And YOU are not. I can tell the way you talk. By the way, don't you know there is no Tony Alamo and his church. No, there is only one church and Jesus invites all, not to condemm, but to be saved. Tony is just a scam artist.

[the_truth]

this person is a total liar. people don't talk anything like her in the ministry. you can see why she's not there anymore. all i have to say about her is: Yuck! she should be on Jerry Springer. she would be perfect for that show.

[hellsanngel]

That's Right. Perfect Name. Thank God anybody that's not there anymore isn't there anymore. Funny how anybody that doesn't align with the fundamentals of alamo's sick doctrine, is presumed a Springer canidate or incapable of having their own opinion? How can anybody judge anyone else? Only God judges. how self-righeous. Which just proves my point.

[internuncio]

As I said before in an earlier post, at this time I have no evidence or reason (other than what she posts on this message board) to believe that PeacfulGrace is a newly freed Ex-Alamo member.

However, for the sake of being just and not rushing to conclusions I must say this... there was a time when we would have never believed for a second that Tony would ever sexually touch a little child... we never could have imagined him drinking, or cussing, and we never could have imagined him forcing little 12 year old girls to marry grown 35 year old men.... He has proven to all of us that he is capable of all manner of evil.

That being said, maybe instead of sweet Christian women, Tony is rearing a group of foul mouthed, angry, raging, broads. It would be just as shocking as the fact that he now beds little children... shocking, yet true. Maybe this girl is for real... If she was born and raised in the church and the only example she had to follow was Tony Alamo, why wouldn't she be rude, crude, and crass?! Leaders don't produce what the teach (or preach), they produce what they are!!!

In all reality, I suppose it is possible for this person to be legit... if that is the case, it would seem that most of us who were actually raised in a semi-Christian environment would have little to no kinship with this new breed of Alamo-ite. It would also lead me to believe anyone who comes from the Alamo cult could have the potential to be criminally minded, foul mouthed, full of rage and anger, and completely lacking the fear of God and full, only, of the fear of Tony Alamo.

[peacefulgrace]

i'm not abroad. i'm 17. still a kid in some ways. weho has had no coice but to grow up before i was ready. and i tried to post it earlier but had computer problems. i apologized for cussing. i don't like the sound of it. never have. not when tony was screaming it at people, not when my husband screamed it. for cussing, i apologize. shouldnt have done it and there aint no excuse for it. i wont blame someone else for thart. it is my fault. i got mad cuz i was called a liar. i have never lied to anyone. never!!!
why would i not be angry>? i have every reason to be. i was forced into a marriage with someone who was 19 years older than me, slapped around all the time, lied about and lied to, made to have 2 babies 11 months a part,screamed at by tony when i reported to him what my husband was doing, and the list goes on and on.
none of you were friends to me when i was there. your not now either. i don't care what you trhink of me internuncio. you say something about ''for the sake of being just''...but that is a joke. you have already judged me!! look at your other posts to me. you are a hipppocrite!!!!
who are YOU?!?!?!! you want me to give you details of who i am, where this happened, who my husband was. but before i do that i want to know who i am giving them to.
WHO are you? untill you answer that, you got nothing else to say to me.

[peacefulgrace]

and i have never been a criminal internuncio. i have no interest in breaking the law or hurting anyone. so your mention that this new breeed of alomoite being criminally minded, blah blah. is a joke. for all anyone knows you are a criminal. heck. you and many others have done NOTHING to help those who are sdtill being hurt. so really, you are as much a criminal as tony is bcuz you have sat by and done nothing but call people liars when they do come here maybe looking for some help. you are guilyu by association. how stupid are you going to look when a 17 year old-17!!- does more to bring that place down than you have done! so sit behind your safe screen there, call peopole liars, be a hippocrite all you want! i dont know what i believe with god is concerned. i'll be honest. i dont know if what i have been forced to believe my whole life is the truth or not. i've been told what to think feel and say so long i don't know the truth for myself. but if ther is a god, YOU will be accoutnable!!!

[internuncio]

PeacfulGrace,

I understand where you are coming from. Forgive me if I came across judgemental. I intend only to be cautious. I come from the same exact place you do. It is hard to trust. I know you understand that.

For all you have been through, I am sorry. I feel that if people had opened their mouths long ago and shouted all of Tony Alamo's wickedness form the roof tops, loud and clear, until someone, anyone, heard and responded, you would not be a young mother of 2, from a man 19 years your senior. You would not have been beaten, and verbally abused. I am sorry for the loss of your life. I have been where you are. I am sorry for you, because I know too well the exact place you are in.

PeacefulGrace, Please understand, I can not at this time divulge who I am. Not because I am in fear for my life.. Not because I have anything personal to hide, Not because I don't want people who I grew up with to know who I am. I can not say who I am because then my posts will not have any effect. It will then be all about WHO posted these things. Tony Alamo has a way, as you know, of ripping people to shreds and making what they say of no effect.

If you are 17 it is very likely that when you were a kid I took care of you. I was there when you were there. I haven't been out of the cult for as long as many may think. It is hard for me to stomache kids, who I took care of, being married and beaten and giving birth so young.

I realize that our lack of trust has made you feel deffensive. The truth is, we are good people and there is nothing we wouldn't do to help a person in need, who came from the hell we all came from. Because of all Tony's lies and deceptions all of us have some trust issues.

To you, I offer my sincere apologies and my hand of help. I have created an email address where you can contact me. Please allow me to help you, if possible.

You can Emial me at Internuncio2U@aol.com I have AIM as well so you can use the same name to IM me.

[pobox398]

Undeniably, all of us are nothing more than sinners saved by grace, redeemed by His precious blood; meaning those of us who do profess that Jesus is the Christ, the only begotten Son of God, and naming His Name as the only Name given under heaven whereby souls can be saved.

It is important to bear in mind when confronted with anyone able to get away from that traumatizing, traumatized hell-hole, that the Lord came to save sinners.

Suffice it to say, this site is providing contact with individuals very possibly in need of the salvation of the Lord, at best, at the very least, a re-dedication. Everything and each and everyone of us coming out of that place has been tainted by TA and his horrendous backslidings in someway or another and is or has been in desperate need of deep spiritual healing.

[peacefulgrace]

internuncio, i know it is hard to trust. i trust noone!! i forgive you for what you said to kme and how you have treated me since i came on this sight. but i don't trust you and want nothing from you.
i won't be emailling you. i don't know if i will ever do that. just not right now. i am on my gard now. i have to be for my babies and for myself. i don't know who you are. and i still dont get how youd want me to give you details but then devulge nothing. whatever.
but i am being helped. its funny. i was just telling this lady the other day how the one person in all this world who came to me and my kids rescue was her. she is familiar with the foundation and was a visiting chrstian for a long time but lived there for a bit too when i was little. tony used to give taped messages about how horrible she was when she would ask for help about her marrage. i remember when she had her baby she wanted prayer and tony told everyone in the foudation not to pray for her. i felt so bad for her. i thought then that she was a bad lady. but that was tony talking his lies.
she is the one person who has comne thru for us and probably saved my life. her i would trust alot sooner than you people who claimed to have been serving god all those years in the foundation and then ripped me apart with aqcusations of being aliar.

[internuncio]

For the record, I have not personally sat by idle while people were being abused. Since I got out I have been trying to make people hear me. I have contacted Oprah, Sally Jesse Raphael, the FBI, The police in Ft. Smith, Date Line and the list goes on. No one has listened. They all say that they can't go on the word of ONE person. They all say they need multiple witnesses and PROOF! Maybe you now have given them the proof they need. Maybe you have more proof and can help end the hell.

As for God. There is a God but He was not in the place you were raised. There is a God be he wasn't the one who beat you or cursed you or foced you into a marriage. There is a God and He has heard your cries. There is a God and He is merciful and just and He is more loving than you can probably even imagine, I admitt, more loving than I can imagine. I know it seems like God sat by while you were suffering and did nothing. I know how it feels to scream to God and plead Him to do something on my behalf and have the heavens seem like solid lead. The thing is, just as there are laws on earth, there are laws in the heavens. Humans have free will. They open doors and close doors in the heavens by the actions they take and the words they speak. Unfortunately they can open some very wicked doors (even on behalf of their children who have no control). It can be very hard to understand it all.

I hope some of that made some kind of sense to you.

[hbananna]

peacefulgrace,

You are the closest opportunity some of these people have to finding out how their loved ones are doing. If you could forget about the FEW who judged you so quickly and remember the MANY who want to believe you. There are so many readers waiting to hear about the condition of their loved ones.

Maybe you could take a few minutes to respond to those in desperate need of confirmation that their loved ones still remain healthy? For all we know YOU are one of them.

Please, I beg you to give us word. Whatever you can divulge will be welcome.

Our prayers are with you.

[internuncio]

PeacefulGrace,
Re-read my posts. I never called you a liar. I never ripped you apart with accusations. I did suggest that people remain cautious and in all truth, they should be cautious, as should you.

You have no idea the goodness of the people on this board. Any one of us, who are fincially able, would give you and your babies a safe clean place to live. Any one of us would gladly feed and clothe you and help you get on your feet. Any one of us would help you become integrated into society and help you attain goals and dreams. You have a new life. Those of us who had to start a new life deeply desire to help make some one else have an easier road than perhaps we have had.

I understand your anger and resentment. Think about letting it go breifly and maybe allowing someone who has been where you are to help you in some small way.

[no_stoppin_me]

Peacefulgrace,

Having been raised in the cult myself, I feel your pain and anger. It is very hard to understand why you were born into such darkness and sadness. When I left, I did not have 2 children, like you do, so I can only imagine what you are going through.

Let me just tell you one thing. I can speak for all of the "kids" that were raised in the cult who are now out. We share a special bond with eachother and would help anyone who has been lucky enough to escape that hell hole, especially someone who was born and raised there. We were robbed of our childhoods and have overcame great odds to become good, productive and most importantly, happy individuals.

I have given you my email address, if you ever want to talk. Stay strong and protect your children at all cost.

[peacefulgrace]

Here is what you said when you first came at me as a lyar, internuncio.


>>I believe that PeacfulGrace is a fake as well. I don't want to apear to be without compassion, but after some careful research, and several phone calls to the authorities, as of right now I have no reason at all, to believe that PeacfulGrace is a newly freed Alamo Cult member.

To all of the kind hearted ex-cult members who are offering to help and support this person, I would strongly advise you to hold off for the time being. We should stand ready and willing to help but we should all, always use wisdom and discernment. It is important to remember ALWAYS that there is a very real threat out there and he would stop at nothing to shut most of us up. I am not suggesting that we all be paranoid, just very cautious.<<

for the record when you call someone a fake you are calling them a lyar. decietful. i wont play word games with you.im young not stupid.
so much for the apology, huh! oh well, i would be a dummy to expect any better.

[peacefulgrace]

thanks no-stopping-me. my babies mean everything to me. i'll do whatever it takes to protect them like u say i should. i started standing up for them the day we left the hell whole.

[chevelle]

I guarantee that "peaceful grace" is a phony...go ahead divulge all of your info to her...she has you right where she wants you. THIS IS A FACT!

[internuncio]

PeacfulGrace,

That's right and I stand by what I said. As of right now there is no evidence from authorities contacted or hospitals contacted that you are being authentic and I do believe everyone should remain cautious not paranoid. I said I believe you are fake, not that you are in fact fake. From the evidence, or the lack there of, it seems that you may be fake. May be.. not are.

HOWEVER, because I am a human being and I do feel compassion and more than anything, I want you to be the real deal more than anything... I want to believe you so bad... I may have been wrong about you notbeing the real deal. Time will tell if you really are. In the event that you are for real, I offered an apology and my hand of help. I hope you accept it. It may be hard for you to understand but my stance comes from years of wisdom and dealing with underhanded people and perhaps from being involved with the liars at the Alamo cult. They are all willing to lie and lie and lie to protect Alamo.

So far you have not told us or anyone else reading anything about what is happening behind the walls of the Alamo cult.

I'd like more than anything for you to just expose Tony so he can be taken out ofthere in hand cuffs and tossed in a jail cell for the rest of his life on earth! I want his reign of terror to end NOW!

If you are the real deal, then help us expose him!

[wilma]

I have had my doubts about the validity of Peacefulgrace since their first post. I contacted Wellspring and asked if they have had any contact with any ex-Alamo members newly out of the Alamo cult.
The response I received from Wellspring is that there are no ex-members from the Alamo group scheduled to come to Wellspring retreat. They told me this was a false claim by whomever it was who said it.

What I don't understand is why someone would feign to be something they are not.

Susie

[peacefulgrace]

chevelle- what do you know anyway? you are a cultie! i want nothing from nobody! how many times do i have toi say it? anyone on here-have i contacted any of you and asked for anything? NO! nothing! if i am lying since everyone likes to call people lyars around here, then prove it or shut up!

wilma/susie/lyar-
i never said i was scheduled to go to wellspring just now. i said in the begining that i was going to go away for a few weeks. that is true. i thought i could get into wellspring right away. i was wrong. the lady who is sponsoring my and my ababies trip there couldn't come up will all the funds right now. then my oldest got sick with a ear infection. and my baby has a chest cold. the lady who is sponsoring me has talked with wellspring. i have also allready had my phone interview with them. i've tALKED WITH them twice and sent a copy of the report i made with the police to them by fax. it is a matter of my kids getting well to go and the lady who is sponsoring my trip said she should have the rest of the money in a week or two. then my trip will be scheduled.

since you all want proof-detective kevin nickson, fort smith is handling my case . he has all my pro0f-the pictures that were taken at the hospital, my report-everything!! i am so sick of being called a fake, lyar, whatever you want to call it. i had even thought of emailling all of you copies of the report so you could get your jollies seeing for yourselfs what has happened to me. but the more i think about it-why would i want to do that? expose myself to MORE abuse?!! your posts here prove it!! you might have lkeft the cult but your minds are still trapped by it! you are no more free than chevelle or truth is!!

why would i want your ehlp or compassion? you are so obviously messed up yourselfs! theres only a few of you here who i think are of any use to any one. and i could be wrong about them too. whatever.

you have ZERO conscience. the more i think about it, it makes me wonder if tony ND MY HUSBAND isn't right about all of you that have come against me!

my husband use to tell me all the time when he was giving me a beating that tony said i deserved that noone would believe me if i ever told anyone out here what was happening!i used to cry out in my spirit that he was wortng and that people were better than that! but NO!! he is right afterall!
i have asked nothing of you i came here to tell what has happened to me-not bcuz i wanted anything from any of you, but bcuz i wanted yo u to know someoneelse is out. i really wanted to share with you what is going on inside that place and about some of the people who i was closest to. and i guess i also wanted to talk with people who know what it is like. who"ve been there same as i have and maybe gone thru the same things i have. but you know what?
i was WRONG to think that could ever happen! you don"t actually want to do anything! you just want to whine and argue among yourselfs!

i hope you toss and turn at night bcuz of how you have treated another person. for all your talk of how you want to help and will help-those of you who have spoken to me like you have-your talk is worthless~!

[internuncio]

Woa! No one is coming against you personally! We do not even know who you are! You came on here and made claims that we all hope to be true. We deeply desire for someone to have gotten out and be ready to speak about what is going on. Based on the information which you provided, which is sketchy at best, we have been told to be very careful because we could be talking to someone who is working for Tony Alamo, himself!

Now if you came on here and you said hey I am bla bla bla and Tony made me marry so and so and we have 2 kids and my husband beat me and this person was told by Tony to beat me then we would have all accepted what you were saying. You are the one who came on here and behaved in a way that was suspect. We have all told our stories. We all gave details and names and dates and we are willing to show proof to anyone who would listen. You offered NOTHING except for shady details that were unconfirmed and denied by the authorities contacted! You cursed at us and called us names, even after we told you we wanted to help.

This is the way it is. There are people here who want to help you. We all want to support you emotionally, spiritually, even financially but you can not expect anyone, especially people who have been abused just like you, to just sit there and believe a person who is not giving any kind of proof or details and who behaves in a way we all know was condemned in the church.

We are not against you. I think we all want to help you. We all just want to know we are not being taken on some kind of emotional roller coaster ride. Can you really blame us???

Why don't you give us a chance to know you and to know your situation and to support you the way real brothers and sisters in Christ support each other?

[internuncio]

I contacted the Ft Smith Police Department at this number (479)709-5116. They do not have a Detective Kevin Nickson there. Is it possible you were contacted by a different police department perhaps?

(Message edited by internuncio on April 14, 2006)

[chevelle]

I know a lot more than you think I know. I know that you are a liar.

[internuncio]

Chevelle,

How do you know PeacfulGrace is a liar?

[peacefulgrace]

internuncio-
you are a joke. i came on here and gave very little details yes, bcuz i don't know how much i can say-or even how much i should say-bcuz i am only miles away from the cult now. there is a investigation going on by the police. it is their job to take this on and get tony. they have the proof and will do with it whatever they can.

i have my babies to think about. my husband told me if i ever left they would find me and take my kids AND I WOULD NEVER SEE THEM AGAIN. do you think i am going to take a chance that if i tell someone on here who i am or where i am? NO WAY!! theyt can take my babies from me and then what are you going to do about it? NOTHING but gloat and go on with your lifes. you are a hippocrite. you saying i give shady details or don't tell you enough. but WHO are you? you want me to brodcast for the world to see every bit of info about myself, but the hole time you have said nothing to me to make me think i can TRUST you with anything. you came at me with the aqcusation that i am a fake. i wasn't calling people names or getting upset till that happened.

but yes i am going to get upset and defend myself if i am accused wrongly. who wouldn't?! how do you think it makes me feel? i got out of that hell hole thinking there was a life out here for me and my babies and left with nothing but the clothes on our backs and 3.oo in my pocket and a phone number of this lady who has helped us. i come on here wanting to talk to peop;le who i know have been there, and i get called a fake. i sit here crying my eyes out even now bcuz the nitemare continues! the people i thought i could trust have let me down.

you claim you have wisdom. use it. read over everything i have said and think about it. i only got mad when i got backed in two a corner and called fake. it is right for a person to defend themselfs.

i've allready told you my situation-as much of it as i feel comfortable with sharing with you for now. i DO NOT trust you. And No i do not work for tony. i didn"t leave there to be some kind of a spy for the nasty pervert!! you keep trying to pressure me to tell you more-but i think it is YOU that peoplle need to be careful with~!

[peacefulgrace]

investigator kevin nickson out of fort smith. his number is 479- 783-1051. i have his card right in front of me.

[internuncio]

PeacefulGrace,

If it is Tony you are worried about... Don't you think he would know exactly who left with their 2 kids only a few days ago? At this point it is only him who really knows who you are.

I agree, do not ever let him find you and your kids. He will take them and you will never see them, ever again.

He has kidnapped and hidden MANY kids just out of spite!

Rest assured, he knows who you are if you have recently left after being beaten, with your 2 kids. I'm sure it isn't hard to narrow it down and figure out who recently left!

[internuncio]

PeacefulGrace,

I spoke to Detective Kevin Nickson. He does exist. He is with the Sebastian County Sheriff's Department. He knows of the Alamo Cult but he said he is not working on any kind of investigation that has anything to do with the Alamo cult. I think you are the real deal, but I think you don't quite have all the facts straight and it makes you look like you are lying. detective Kevin Nickson said there should be a 1800 number on the card you have, and also there should bea case number on there. He also said that if he has a battery case that you are involved in, he has no idea you have anything to do with the Alamos. Is it possible that you have been talking to a different detective? Detective Nickson was VERY nice and extremely helpful. He gave me some excelent advise for you which will help him actually do something about what was done to you.

Please email me privately so I can forward some information to you.

[hbananna]

internuncio,

Have you heard from peacefulgrace through email yet?

Hannah

[wilma]

Is anyone else having trouble accessing the Factnet website?? I could not get on from last Saturday night until Thursday night. After catching up, I posted this morning and then couldn't get on again this evening, until now. I keep getting an Error message saying "a connection failure has occurred". Am I the only one??? or are others experiencing this also??
Susie

[hbananna]

Susie,

I too have been having trouble getting on. It is hit or miss. I get the message that says "a connection could not be astablished with factnet.org"

If I try again af few minutes later I can usually get on. Not sure why but this has happened several times over the last few days. Maybe it is a traffic issue.

Hannah

[peacefulgrace]

i couldnt get back on the sight untill just now. i kept getting something aobut cannot find server whenever i tried. i could go to other sights but this one kept saying that.

i will have to set up a address for you to contact me at internuncio. but i want to make it clear before i do that the ONLY reaosn i am going to do it is to see what you have to say that you mentioned up above about det. hickson. i"m not giveing you anymore information about me than i allready have. you want infomration from me all contact will close.
i"m kind of paranoyd about doing this. i still don"t trust you. and the detective has the nuimber to contact me at so i don"t really understand what is going on. but i am tired of argueing.
i"ll try to get back on when i get a emaill adress.

[peacefulgrace]

internuncio-i just sent you a emaill.

[internuncio]

My Email Address is Internuncio2U@aol.com
So far I have not received anything from you.

[peacefulgrace]

i've sent you 2 emaills. one before i came back here and toldf you i did and another one about 10 minutes ago.
the lady here says to check your ?junk folder. whatver.
my emaill is peacefulgrace06@yahoo.com
if your still having problems you can write me. anyone else want to blast me while your at it? whatever.
and Admin. this sight is lame! lots of problems getting on here.

[the_truth]

it's probably Ian Mann playing tricks on everyone. God probably turned him over to a reprobate mind and thinks he's a young girl on here. He's probably posting from a mental institution! he should be in one. He thinks that attacking Iraq was from God! What a sicko!!!!!

[cmingus]

hey!... someone forgot to close the outhouse door!

[cmingus]

(Message edited by cmingus on April 14, 2006)

[the_truth]

oops, that must have been a lie he just told right IAN? he just erased a post, ooooo liar liar!!

[iasmann]

Tony has a minion who is an amateur hacker. He used to post under the name tlthe5th. It's probably him that is causing problems with getting on this board.

It's Tony who has been turned over to a reprobate mind. Although in all fairness I should say he first willingly gave himself over to reprobate activities like raping 15 year old girls, severely beating girls and boys much younger than that -- as young as four or five. Kicking out men so he could steal their wives, committing adultery and fornication with many other women, plagiarizing christian literature to make himself appear holy and knowledgeable about the Bible and the ways of God when he is not, Lying on his tax return, lying on credit applications, buying hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of cement trucks and other heavy equipment and not paying, kicking out injured and sick people to avoid the expense of taking care of them, stealing ID and operating under a fake name while claiming to be out in the open, getting homosexual massages in prison etc. etc. etc.

Once Sax 5th Avenue accidently paid $50,000 for some jackets they had returned. They couldn't sell them because of all the bad publicity Tony had generated by beating Justin Miller 140 times with a 2X4.
They returned the jackets but because of an accounting error the check was sent out anyway. Here was a perfect opportunity for Tony to be a Christian testimony and return the money. No way! He cashed that check in a heartbeat and gave about a dozen rebukes to the office people who had wanted to send it back.

I personally have never known a person who fits the definition of a reprobate in Romans 1 better than Tony Alamo.

[iasmann]

He's erased one post. You've erased about 350 or 400 and other minions have erased almost all of their posts.

Every post is numbered so it's easy enough to verify. Since you brought it up Why have you erased around 350 to 400 posts?

What are you trying to hide?

[the_truth]

how do you know that tony has an amatuer hacker and that he posted under the name tlth5h? lets hear the evidence you LIAR! you are hilarious! i would feel sorry for you are bringing your insanity upon yourself. you can make up some doozies! lol!

[peacefulgrace]

i sent internuncio a emaill and she or he replied with this and more:

From: Internuncio2U@aol.com View Contact Details Add Mobile Alert
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 23:11:40 EDT
Subject: Re: it is me peacefulgrace from factnet
To: peacefulgrace06@yahoo.com

I don't need the attitude.
Just forget it.
I could understand a person being deffensive or protective
but you are just plain, flat out rude!
I hope you aren't this rude to who ever it is that is helping you.
Take care.
I wish you luck.
With your <font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font> attitude you will need it!

peacefulgrace06@yahoo.com says:
here you go. this is the second one i sent you. if you need pro0f of the other one i can figure out how to copy that and resend it.
the information you wanted to give me. i'm waiting.
`peacefulgrace

suposedly she or he posted a reply to this bored that i am a rude little girl. i will copy that and post it as well.

i really think this internuncio is somoeone people need to watcvh out for.

[peacefulgrace]

i can't find the post on here but i get everything that is put on this bored del;ivered to my emaill. here is another thing internuncio had to say. she or he thinks people deserve to be smacked around.
FACTNet Message Board: Alamo Foundation: For any (new) xmembers of the TA foundation
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Posted by internuncio on Friday, April 14, 2006 - 9:04 pm:

Found your email in my spam folder...
I should have left it there.
You are a rude young lady!

Most people don't deserve abuse, but I can truly see where you (may)
need to be slapped around!

Grow up little girl! And stop playing games!


for the record there was nothing said in my emaill to him or her that was rude at all. see my emaill above. allot worse was said to me when i first came here. by guess who-internuncio. the person who wont tell anyone who they are but wants lots of details abuott everyone else.
i think my suspisions was rite about internuncio.
the hole time teling people tpo be carefu of me-internuncio is the one peoples need to be careful of!

[iasmann]

The amateur hacker's name is Tommy Richards. He has posted on this board under the names alamosupporter and tlthe5th.

Some say that you the_truth are Tommy Richards which if true makes your lie all the more blatent.

Check out the following link. Read the posts. Richards admits it.

http://mooreslore.corante.com/archives/2005/03/28/the_schiavo_spammer.php

Wilma, you have said you believe the_truth is Tommy Richards. Has he actually admitted to it? If not why do you say he is Tommy Richards?

[wilma]

When exposed on this board as the liar he is as screenname tlthe5th, he started using alamosupporter, than the_truth as newer screennames. From MANY defining features Tommy has said on this board, people that were in the Foundation at the same time as him have told me exactly who he is. He came to the Foundation with a girl named Tonya (which NFLY referenced when talking to him). I have one of Tony's tracts with a picture of Tommy and Tonya on the front cover.

Tonya left the Foundation and Tommy married a Jewish girl named Lisa who has a bunch of kids by him now.... They got kicked out twice and now live in NewJersey according to ex-members, but they are still "Tony lovers". Tommy and Lisa were both very "report happy" while living at the Foundtion and couldn't get along with people. When Lisa Weingarden moved into the Founation, Tony thought she had money so she got lots of special treatment and was elevated and had Tony's phone number. She got put in charge of things and the other members did not like her because of this. Once Tony A had her completely in his web, the honeymoon was over and she got her share of rebukes too.

I've posted info in the past about why I'm sure Tommy Richards is the_truth. He's never denied it, as I recall. There is no question, Tommy Richards is the_truth. If I had time I could go back and pull info from posts but I don't have the time.
Susie

[wilma]

Oh well, can't resist posting this one little tidbit. What are the chances of two different people posting this same expression????


FACTNet Message Board: Alamo Foundation: To: PEACEFUL GRACE
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Posted by the_truth on Thursday, April 13, 2006 - 1:58 am:
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this peaceful grace sounds like another out and out lie from a few months
ago. the one that was like the fortune cookies you get that say "Help, I'm a prisoner in a fortune cookie company" It just goes to show what a bunch of
liars you are.


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Here is an old post:
http://www.factnet.org/discus/messages/18619/14896.html#POST216879

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FACTNet Message Board: Alamo Foundation: Alamo Foundation : BORN AND/OR
RAISED AT THE ALAMO FOUNDATION
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Posted by alamosupporter (alamosupporter) on Tuesday, November 01, 2005 -
2:55 pm:
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help, i'm a prisoner in a fortune cookie factory!!

[iasmann]

I told you he can't even post one or two sentences without lying. He's calling me a liar and saying there is no hacker knowing all the time that he's the hacker.

Standard Tony procedure. Now that he's confronted with the evidence we'll know whether he is a pathological liar or just a regular liar.

A regular liar will ignore my post and not say anything back. He knows he's caught. A pathological liar will continue to lie about it despite the evidence.

Either way he will probably accuse me of supporting the murder of Terri Schiavo since that's what his spam was about in this case.

But for people reading this board who don't know who is telling the truth and who is lying it's something that can be easily verified. Like the Messiah book which Tony stole from Fred Meldau and now claims to have written himself. Go to Alamoministries.com to see Tony’s Messiah book then click the link below to see pages from Fred John Meldau’s book written about 25 years earlier. With the exception of a few heretical changes the books are identical right down to the layout.

Tony’s book -- http://alamoministries.com/content/english/Messiah_Book/messiah.htm
The original -- http://home.mchsi.com/~messiah/wsb/html/view.cgi-home.html-.html

The fact is that God has arranged it so that there is absolute documented proof that Tony and his minions are liars. Documented by court records, sworn affidavits and mostly by Tony himself. For instance after his arrest Tony stated to Nancy Ross that he was never in hiding and always operated out in the open. Nancy wrote it and published it. Tony had the article reprinted and distributed. He even had his minions post it on this message board. But the facts are that when Tony was arrested he was hiding under the name of Harvey Cochran and using Harvey’s stolen ID. He had also altered his appearance. This was part of the arrest record and was reported in the paper.

The list goes on. Tony signed credit apps claiming substantial income and then signed tax returns claiming no income. Again, lies documented by Tony himself and made part of the public court record of his trial so that anyone who wants to can see it. Incidently, the jury found the evidence overwhelming and sent him to jail for 6 years.

Of course they were all Vatican sleeper agents who had been picked for this job years before and Tony is being persecuted by the Vatican and Ian’s son is a murderer and we’re all on the CIA payroll etc.etc.etc. blah blah blah. How sickening.

The whole purpose of this smokescreen -- to take the focus away from the fact that Tony is raping, molesting, beating and abusing girls as young as twelve years old every day of his life. The guy is a perverted old pedophile whose conscience has been seared and anyone who would defend him and assist him like Tommy Richards is doing is as bad or worse.

[raining]

Do NOT let your ex-husband get his hands on your children! He will do anything to get to them, even pretending to be sorry for what he has done to you. Once he has them in his hands they will disappear and you will NEVER see them again. Judy S can testify to this fact. After leaving the foundation she wanted to see her 2 little girls, Abbey &amp; Joanna. Danny (the ex-husband) and both girls disappeared for years! Guard your children and beware.

I listened to Tony's radio broadcast. He comes on like an angel of light with a soft introduction, "Hello, once again this is "world pastor" tony alamo."

Who gave you that title tony?

Peter,John and Paul didn't have titles- even Jesus didn't claim to be world pastor!

You have self-appointed, self-anointed yourself as "world pastor" NOT GOD!

God does not endorse a child abusing,pedophile, child rapist, polygamy practicing pervert as you.

[raining]

Tony (world pastor lol)
One of the radio messages I tuned in to was about polygamy and David. You stated that God had given David many wives and if God gives them to a man then it is okay. If God says it - that settles it! Then you went on talking about David and how he took another man's wife to be his wife. You said that was adultrey and also that is what God says, If God calls it adultrey then that is what it is.

Your own words condemn you! You are an adulterer in God's eyes!

You kicked Randy S out of the foundation so you could take his wife, Tammi, to be your wife!

YOu kicked Kennya out of the foundation so you could take his wife, Michelle, to be your wife.

If God says it is adultery - then that settles
it.

You appear to the world as some kind of godly man, an angel of light, but to those who have lived inside your foundation and suffered at your hands, we know you are filled with filthiness,lust,corruption and lewdness!

[internuncio]

Interesting to note that in an earlier post Peacefulgrace said she would need to have help in order to figure out how to copy and paste and then now she has proceeded to copy and paste her fingers to the bone. Interesting too how you come across as an illiterate child from the barrio (mexican slums) in some of your posts and then you are completely literate in others.

PeacefulGrace -
I know who you are. You were honest about only ONE thing. You are still a little girl in many respects. Your mommy shouldn't leave you home alone. You have a too much fun posting LIES and FANTACIES on FactNet. Didsobedience is a sin. I'm sure your mommy has told you to stay away from this message board! Don't you know God sees everything?

I know in your heart you want to help family members still stuck in Alamo's house of horrors, but THIS is not the way to do it.

I deleted that post, that you went ahead and posted anyway, because I didn't think it would really benefit anyone, including you. I wrote it and had second thoughts. There is no crime in that. In fact, it shows that I, unlike you, have a conscience.

You have NO conscience. You will get on here and flat out LIE to people who want to help cult survivors! You have made up a new identity like you have done so many times before and this time you affected people's emotions and hopes. It is time for you to go confess to your mom what you have done and delete your new play name on FactNet (PeacfulGrace) and go back to flirting online with boys who you have never met. Your speach betrayed you several times.

TO ALL OF YOU WHO DESPERATELY WANT THIS PEACFUL GRACE TO BE FOR REAL... SHE IS NOT! I HAVE PHYSICAL EVIDENCE PROVING THE CONTRARY IS TRUE! PEACEFUL GRACE IS A YOUNG CHILD WHO IS HOME ALONE WITH NO SUPERVISION AND SHE HAS LOST ALL ABILITY TO CONTROL HER CHILDISH IMPULSES. SHE IS THOROUGHLY ENJOYING SEEING YOU ALL RUSH TO HELP HER!

[peacefulgrace]

you are the whore of satan internuncio!! i answered your lies about me on th eo other thread and i will tell you same here!! you are lying, lying, lying, lying! i never flirt with boys! ever! and i don"t have any more names than this one! and i am not some litle girl who is home allone! you are a joke!! a lyar!! i have ben 100 % honest from the time i first came here!! can you say the same satan? NO!

you have no conscious bcuz you lie!! you say you removed one post bcuz you felt bad but than you folow that one up with anohter even worse!! you need help!! maybe papa tony will give you a nite off so so you can rest up and clerar your head!! bride of satan or bride of tony-there the samae thing!!! LYAR!!!!!!!!

i am geting no joy coming on here and being attacked like you habe done sense i got on to the site! you a filthy, retched person!!

this lady is going to show me how to print stuff from here. she sayd if i find out who you are i can sue you for the way you are atacking me and iw ill!! i will find out who you are and then may you r papa tony have mercy on you!!

[peacefulgrace]

and nother thing lyar from hell! internuncio-i have no family left in the foundation! my kids are with me, my mom is dead if my dad ever told me tyhe truth and i dont think oif my illegal husband as family! so stop listening to yhthe voices in your head Beelzabub!!!

[the_truth]

this is getting funny. Ian Mann, what did Tommy Richards supposedly hack? You're just saying he's a hacker. Becuase he sent out emails about terri schiavo? I don't get it....

[hollydolly]

truth-----------u are a <font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font> piece of <font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font>.....wait no you aren't even worthy of that you are the corn kernel in a <font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font> piece of <font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font>! lolol............peaceful--you can't take legal action against anyone on a public message board.........besides if the law could care less about locking alamo away for rape and perversion why the heck would they care about threats on a message board.........unless u and the lady u are staying with sell your bodies for money u can't afford a good lawyer anyways!

[iasmann]

He didn't just send out e-mails. He spammed. Which means he loaded up the guys mailbox with hundreds maybe even thousands of e-mails. It's a spammer technique to overload websites to shut them down. He and some of the other minions tried to do the same thing on this website a while back by posting copies of Tony's stolen Messiah book over and over. That's why post sizes here are now limited.

By the way I know that you knew this but some of the others may not understand how it works. That's why I explained it.

[the_truth]

hacking - spamming. two totally different things.

[hollydolly]

blah blah blah.........u don't know a damn thing truth

[peacefulgrace]

hollydolly-
that is gross what you said to me. how do you know wht the lady i am staying with can afford or not.
and it isn't about sueing somone for just what they say n a public board. internuncio is also contacting me in my emaill with the same nasty stuff!

i am going to take the advise of somone who contacted me and just ignore you nasty people. so don't woryy about it hollydolly. it is none of your buzness!

[the_truth]

hollydolly is one of the filthiest animals I have ever heard talk. nobody compares to her on this whole board. You can't even insult her she's so disgusting.

[daddys_gurl]

Damn I go easter egg hunting and miss like 2 days and things got all crazy. I don't know who's who or what to believe.
I'm outta here....
Holly.....I didn't get the memo about u turning into a filthy animal. When did that happen?? Last I saw time I saw you, you looked like a blonde barbie.......lol.......truth is just jealous 'cause he can't marry you and is only aloud one wife and she is probably an old hag at that.....ROFLMFAO!!!!
HAPPY EASTER everyone!!!!!!

[hollydolly]

lololol..........it makes me all warm and fuzzy when an alamonite finds me disgusting........and don't u think its a naughty thing to say i'm an animal? i'm a fabulous gorgeous human being and the only thing i hate enough to make me so damn angry is someone who betrays my trust............TONY ALAMO.........PERVERT!

[hollydolly]

happy easter!..........i love egg hunts!

[iasmann]

According to wikipedia spamming is done by hackers. Not bad. Six words-one lie. Keep it up, you're almost as good as your master.

You've also shown us what kind of liar you are. You're a patholgical liar.

"A pathological liar is someone who often embellishes his or her stories in a way that he or she believes will impress people. Some think a pathological liar is different from a normal liar in that a pathological liar believes the lie he or she is telling to be true —at least in public— and is "playing" the role. It is not clear, however, that this is the case, and others hold that pathological liars know precisely what they are doing. Making up stories and at the same time believing them is known as confabulation. The term "pathological liar" is not an official clinical diagnosis however most psychiatrists agree that pathological lying is often the result of a mental disorder or low self-esteem" - wikipedia.

So now we know. You have low self esteem and a mental disorder. Of course any one of us could have told you that.

Only a person with no self esteem and or a mental disorder would seek approval from the child molesting, child raping, child abusing, wife beating, man striking, sodomizing, thieving, cheating, lying, turned over piece of reprobate scum that you hold in such high esteem.

My apologies to scum for dissing it so terribly.

[the_truth]

i dont care what wikipedia says. hacking is attacking someones computer from another computer and spamming is using a bulk email software to send emails you idiot. you piece of lying trash scum. and thats the_truth

[iasmann]

I'm sure scum feels better being compared to me than to Tony. Call me any name you want but don't call me a Tony. That would be to much to take.

[raining]

Having sex with under-age girls is called RAPE- it is not being some old pedophil's wife!

Beating children with a board is called CHILD ABUSE, it is not called spankings!

Defending a known pedophile, child abusing

rapist makes you just like him

This is the truth!!!

"the-truth" you are defending a monster!

The 1 question for you is "Why are you not living in the foundation with your beloved Tony?

Does that pervert tony consider you a weasel? Why won't he let you back into the foundation?

(Message edited by Raining on April 17, 2006)

[hollydolly]

truth thinks its funny when u keep asking why he is not in the foundation because he is tony alamo! hello??????????? all the <font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font> that come on here under different names are tony! he likes the attention even though he is scared ****less of ever revealing who he is. to have such little respect for yourself that you find some kind of solace in rape and abuse of others only proves how weak and scared that insane old perv is! lolololol

[beccasue1975]

Hello to all of you! It's been a while since I have been on FactNet.
For some reason I have been unable to post at all. I get errors every time I try.
Anyone else having that kind of trouble?

I just wanted to say for the record that, although Savannah R. has not been formally outted here on FactNet, it has been implied (several times) that she is Peaceful Grace. I have personally spoken to both Savannah and her mother (online and on the phone) and both of them completely and totally, emphatically, deny that she has anything at all to do with Peaceful Grace and her postings. I don't know who Peaceful Grace is, but I think that no one should be accused of being that person without overwhelming evidence to prove that the person being accused is actually at fault. (hope that made sense)

I just wanted to put my 2 cents in on that particular topic.

[smitty]

Roger that, Becca. I just hope that Peaceful-Grace , if she's the real deal, read the advice I posted earlier to help her get on her feet. This whole episode points up the need to find a reliable way to I.D.folks who need direct help.As far as busting Tony goes,I don't have much to contribute as I left before the realy bad stuff started, but I DO want to help if someone gets out and needs assistance. I was blessed in that I already had a place to go to and parents and a church who were ready to help me get re-established. I know that lots of brothers and sisters wern't so fortunate

[hollydolly]

the moderator is not offering the publicity you all think he is although it is a kind and generous offer the article would be strictly about "growing up alamo" which ofcourse alot of people in arkansas would be interested in reading but thats not the point we are trying to get out there is it? the guy from the newspaper is not interested in writing about whats going on there now in tony's house even though i have told him about it.......and i don't know about you other "kids" from the foundation but i'm not interested in talking about the past.......

[bill_l]

The thing I am most proud of was testifing about T.A. and sending him to the slammer. The only thing that upsets me is they didn't throw away the key... I knew him very personaly and could tell you tales from the past that would make you puke..

[cmingus]

Bill, I know you and Tony were real tight - what was it that finally convinced you he wasn't on the level?

[bill_l]

When I was purchasing agent and went to LA and found some really nice clothes new and the guy was going to sell them for 25 cents a piece on new jeans, with a complete size run. so I called tony from LA to ask if I could get 75 pairs for the bakes brothers and he scratched it and had me buy 2 shirts for him at over 500.00 Thats when I knew for sure he was not a pastor caring for a flock. and he said what do those brothers need new clothes for and I told him they drove several hundred miles to attend sunday service and they felt bad cause there clothes were ragged.

(Message edited by bill l on April 21, 2006)

[cmingus]

wow....I sure hope you have the stomach to hang close Bill, because your inside experience could give some real credibility to whatever legal action comes down. Do you know how Syl P. is doing?

[concerned_for_kids]

mechelle,

I can give you an update on the folks you mentioned in your April 13th post. You can contact me at concerned_for_kids@hotmail.com

[mechelle]

concerned,
Thanks, I just emailed you. Hope to hear from you soon.

[thankfull]

You don't need hard evidence to convict Tony Alamo and to get into his house. All you need is signed and sworn statements please help SAVE THE CHILDREN

[internuncio]

All of Alamo's ex- child brides can still file a civil suite against Alamo. Although the deadline for a criminal suite is passed they can still civilly sue him and it will be on record that he is a rapist and he will still go to jail and have to pay the amount that the jury awards. If these ex-child brides would sue him together it would be more powerful. There is power in numbers and there are enough witnesses and photographs and diary's to convict Alamo and send him up the river for a long time!

[hollydolly]

nuncio----------why all of as sudden to u care about anyone? didn't you say before my friend was too busy on her knees to care about me? you don't care about those girls you only want alamo in jail! thankfull don't listen to this selfish <font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font>!