IVY

[beccasue1975 (beccasue1975)]

IVY,

I wanted to take a minute to address you one on one. I don't have your email address so this will have to do.

The people who you are raging against are not your enemies. The people who you are degrading and belittling and scorning are human beings who had a totally differnt experience than you at the church. These people really were beaten (severely), some were raped for real, and some were molested as children by Tony. Be thankful YOU did not have the same experience. The Tony you knew is WAY different than the one we knew. Your abusive banter on this message board is just more abuse for these people. Do you want to be accountable before God for that?

Let me ask you this... WHAT IF ALL OF THESE PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD ARE TELLING THE 100% TRUTH??? What if you are the one who is wrong and they are all doing what they said, trying to tell the truth so others won't be hurt. Wouldn't you feel just awful that you spoke to them in the manner which you have?

Can't you please just stop being so vicious?

[ivy (ivy)]

I am not being vicious. I have had a wonderful, loving and very cherished childhood at the church. I would have it no other way. I will fiercly defend those sweet memories. I have been taught so many things that most people in their life time will never know. I make my own decisions and I choose to follow God and be under the authority of God's choosen leader. My Pastor, Tony Alamo. I don't feel awful about answering people who are making up disgusting and perverted lies against a Godly man. I am not going to let this message board consume my life. Read the posts of people who turned their backs on God. They use foul language, they are drug users, adulterers, fornicators,liars,everything that is abominable to God. Common sense tells me that they are the wrong people to listen too.

[beccasue1975 (beccasue1975)]

Ivy,

People sin whether they are in the church or out of the church. Just because people are outside of the confines of the church does not make their sins more grievous to God. Common sense should tell us all that sin is wrong no matter where it happens!

No one is trying to say YOUR life was bad. These people are simply telling what happened to them in THEIR lives! Ivy, I know you are defending Tony because you think it is right. Let me just remind you, (kindly, not with a mean condescending spirit) that God is our defender. God is just. God knows it all. Tony does not need you to defend him. If he is indeed innocent and all of us are liars then God will make that known. Don't you think God is a better defense for Tony than you?

I was there for 14 years. My parents were very close to Tony. We saw a lot. We witnessed things that perhaps you never had the misfortune of seeing. Thank God your experience was not like ours. Thank God you were never beaten or fondled or fornicated with by Tony. Just because it did not happen to you does NOT mean it never happened to anyone else. Do you get that?

Truth is, you KNOW for a fact that most of what is said is true. You SAW with your own eyes the things that happened in Tony's house. Your mother SAW it too. She was there... she knows that young teen age girls were forced to marry Tony. Ask her... she will tell you. Don't be surprised that I know who you are. A lot of us know who you and your mother are. It wasn't hard to figure out. You gave yourself away several times and so did your mom. I don't plan to "out" you. I would like to speak civilly to you, if it is at all possible. I don't want to bring you over to the dark side nor do I want to coerce you to talk bad about Tony. All I want is for you to stop calling people names and degrading them and spewing hate. All we want to do is tell our stories... we want to be heard. If you don't want to hear it then simply walk away and don't read the message board, but don't abuse people who have already lived a life time of abuse.

[wilma (wilma)]

Ivy,
I accepted Jesus into my heart when I was 18 years old, in 1971. I have had a relationship with Him ever since. I have never turned my back on God and never will. I am married and love the man I have been with for almost 30 years now. I don't take drugs, lie, fornicate, etc.

Before I left the Foundation lots of the little girls used to hang out with me and I loved them dearly....even you might have hung out with me....I don't know who you are. It broke my heart to leave the people who I loved and who had become my family...I was there for 25 years.

You say your experience there was a good one. Didn't you ever wonder why some of the girls your age (and younger, 9-13 yrs old) went to live in Alamo's house and NEVER returned to live with there parents again. Didn't that seem strange to you? Don't you think they missed seeing their parents and their brothers and sisters? Don't you think their parents missed them? This is not normal behavior. How often did Alys Ondrisek get to see her Dad (Richard) and her brothers, after she moved into Alamo's house and became one of his sex partners?? How often did Desiree Kolbeck get to see her Dad (John Kolbeck) and her brothers and sisters??? How often did Pebbles Rodriguez get to see her family. They were just little girls when they moved into Tony Alamo's house.

Do you think Desiree Kolbeck , Pebbles Rodriguez, and Alys Ondrisek can say what you have about your years there?? I quote you, "I have had a wonderful, loving and very cherished childhood at the church." Has Tabor (Tony Alamo's son by Lydia Willis) and Jordan (Kenya and Mishael's son) had a good upbringing? I think not.

Just think about it Ivy.

Why are you afraid to post your real name on this board? Are you really a Foundation kid? Or maybe an adult, pretending to be a kid? We won't know unless you tell us who you are. Believe me, we aren't on this message board to harm you. We want to help you, if you want our help.

I have a busy fulfilling life. The only reason I would take time out and post on this board is because of a deep conviction of what is right and wrong. I was still at the Foundation when Tami, Lizzy Guiterrez, Jeanne Orlando, Angel Streit, Isabel, Jody Fryer, Lydia Willis, and Mishael Jones Williams had moved into Alamo's house and heard him brag on numerous occasions that they were his "wives" (sex partners). I witnessed this and know this for a fact.

Why would Jeanne and Mishael get on this message board and say they aren't Alamo's women??

Ivy, can you tell me?

Susie Groulx

[somedude (somedude)]

IVY __ I wouldn't take any lessons about life from people like beccasue1975 and her friends. see below? this is the kind of person she is and her friends are just like her. liars and manipulaters. several of them admit they use drugs and are drunks as well. they're a bunch of losers. these are feedbacks reports from 14 different people on eBay. this is 14 witnesses that all say what I'm saying to you here. and don't let her come on here and fool you. she never paid most of these people and was ultimately kicked off of eBay just like she was asked to leave the church. Yet she still wont confess ANY fault. She's the queen of da nile.

It has been 17 days since payment, no item. Seller won't repsond to emails


never recieved shorts in the middle of trying to get my money back from pay pal


this is the worst seller I have ever dealt with, no response to emails no jeans!


took forever to receive the golf club


No Communication. After filed complaint club arrived terrible condition. Beware!


Item not received; refund from Paypal; death in family.


Reply by beccasue1975: Couldn't help death in family - Reffunded money - Sorry......
Follow-up by griswolds_funnyfarm: Lied & said item shipped; another excuse was computer crashed.

26 DAYS-NO RESPONSE TO CALLS/EMAILS-NO PRODUCT-FILED FOR REFUND! AWFUL SELLER!


Reply by beccasue1975: Spoke to buyer svrl xs- sudden death in my family & bad address by buyer delay

Follow-up by yvettedem: lied said computer died..PAYPAL ref money! should have read lousy feedback 1st

BIN and pay on 12/17, recieve on 2/4, after refund request.


Reply by beccasue1975: pckg rtrnd 4wrong ZIP CODE. Sudden hrt attk in family rsponsbl 4 further delay Feb-06-04 17:51



Follow-up by gvodbargainhouse: Worst Buyer EVER!!!! Very Vulgar E-Mail!!!! AVOID THIS HOTHEAD-BIG TROUBLE!!!!!!

won and bought it june 6th and it is july 13 still no item
Reply by beccasue1975: total cmptr crash rspncbl 4 Dlay. u can C frm my fdbk I hve nvr had ths prob B4
won and bought it june 6th and it is july 13 still no item
Reply by beccasue1975: total cmptr crash rspncbl 4 delay. she got itms xctly as described. unpleaseable


Item purchased on June 5th. Shipping promised weeks ago. Not sent & no response
Reply by beccasue1975: total cmptrcrash rspncbl 4 Dlay.U can C frm my fdbk hve nvr had ths prob B4

Sent personal check 25 days after auction ended, then left me negative/BEWARE!!!



Reply by beccasue1975: oferd 2pay w/paypal offered 2pay fees-xplained no car-seller sent vulgar emails
Follow-up by q1212: I don't take paypal, vulgar e-mails? this person is just trouble. NASTY!!!

[jules11468 (jules11468)]

Somedude! Get off the Ebay thing already, it is old and boring. Is that all the dirt you can dig up on my little ole sis? Come on!

[somedude (somedude)]

its still fresh in my mind and it's going to be fresh in everyone's mind who comes to this board. it's important.

[rattlesnake (rattlesnake)]

Which one says they never got paid? Just curious.

[anonymous2 (anonymous2)]

dude,
this mess brd is not about beccasue, its about tony alamo and how he runs his ministry

[rattlesnake (rattlesnake)]

no kidding, nor about his assumptions of how these transactions were resolved... and they are just assumptions if that is all they are going by.
Who really cares anyhow!!! This is all about Tony.

[somedude (somedude)]

no, it's about liars who were asked to leave Tony's church and are offended and have a lying spirit in them. that's how this whole message board originated. From Liars.

[ivy (ivy)]

Ok well for one, a lot of us kids asked to stay at Tony's house. A lot of times he wasn't even there. Your minds already recieved the filthy accustions from perverted people. I have been taught so much. Things that I see that girls my age don't have any clue about. These girls are too busy learning things that will not profit them in these very last moments of time. I know how to pray and get a hold of the Lord. The plagues of God are spreading quickly. I won't tell my name because I am protecting my family from unnecessary slander. I know that I will not be hurt. I am not worried about that.

[anonymous2 (anonymous2)]

you see thats the problem, its "tonys church" not GODS

[anonymous2 (anonymous2)]

you see thats the problem, its
"tonys church" not GODS

[anonymous2 (anonymous2)]

get it????????/

[somedude (somedude)]

it's obvious to me. the only reason why you people are saying what you're saying is you're a team. you stick up for each other no matter what. it just proves your liars. like several said about beccasue1975.

Rattlesnake--how it was resolved? she was thrown off eBay!! LOL!!! they don't throw you off for paying people back!

you all keep, going, i'm going to keep going and keep exposing your lies. We'll never quit either. i'm on the alamo side because I can see what kind of people you all are. Siding with liars.
Thats' what this board is about. and the more you side with the liar the more obvious it is.

[beccasue1975 (beccasue1975)]

SomeDude,

Yeah they do throw you off Ebay even if you reffund money. The person who filed the complaint has to actually Email Ebay themselves to tell them their money has been reffunded. Unfortunately a couple have not done that because they were miffed about the whole situation... understandable, However, they were reffunded their money... I guess the hassle made them mad enough to leave me hanging... So, there you have it. I don't have anythign to hide.

If you are saved and washed in Jesus' blood you and I are part of the same body... part of the same family. You are my brother. You and I we both make mistakes. I ask Jesus to forgive me and help me do better. He forgives me and I go on. He doesn't remember my sins against me anymore. Maybe you should be more Christ like? I forgive you. I believe you have no idea what you are really doing. If you really understood you would make different choices.

Much love,
Rebecca

[somedude (somedude)]

beccasue1975-- all talk. your actions speak louder. should I contact those eBay members and see what they say and then copy and paste their answers in here?

[rattlesnake (rattlesnake)]

It does not state anywhere that they were never refunded... you have no proof so grow up and move on... no one cares except for you.

Now if you really want to convince me that these people are liars, use real proof that would stand up in a court of law and also answer the questions that none of you alamo supporters have even attempted to answer.

And make sure that when you answer, that you swear it is the truth, so help you God, and if it is not, you know that your soul will burn in hell for ever for lying!!

Then I will listen to you but you got to have much better than the crap you have used so far.
I want proof from you that the allegations against Tony are not true, I do not care what anyone else has done or said, or what kind of a life they live, I want proof that Tony Alamo has never beaten or ordered the beating of a child or adult; that he has never had sex or molested a child, that he has never married or arranged the marriage of a child to either himself or any other man; that Tony Alamo does not have multiple wives and multiple children by these wives; that Tony Alamo has never taken another man's wife;

Give me rock, solid proof and I will listen to you. No more crap though, it has to be solid!!!

(Message edited by rattlesnake on November 02, 2005)

[beccasue1975 (beccasue1975)]

SomeDude,
Do whatever.... I have PayPal and I have proof that I refunded ALL money. Anyone who wants to see proof I am willing. For all I know SomeDude will make up emails... whatever
I know and God knows the truth.

[somedude (somedude)]

rattlesnake, many people from the church have come on here and shared 30 to 40 testimonies about the wonderful things the church has done for them. it far outweighs what these few people have come on saying. and the people who testified for the church are drug free and sound wonderful. the people here curse, use disgusting descriptive words in general and are lowlifes. i mean, you keep repeating your garbage but i've read the life changing testimonies of people who are there and who are no longer there who said good things about the church. you're purposly closed minded and you keep sayin no ones refuting these people, etc. anyone who comes to the board and reads all the testimonies will see that all the accusations have been refuted and denied.

[rattlesnake (rattlesnake)]

Actually somedude, I am quite open-minded but the problem is that some of these people have provided first hand information of things that they personally experienced. Things that way outscale the good stuff. So I am asking for proof, not heresay from your side. Have not seen any yet. I have seen a lot of pretty nasty stuff coming from you guys too so let's forget about all that and move on.

Please answer my above post and give me some hard facts and I will listen to you.

[somedude (somedude)]

people are innocent until proven guilty not guilty until proven innocent.

[rattlesnake (rattlesnake)]

True but guilt or innocence is proven based on facts and evidence. It is based on witness from those that have been wronged not based on heresay. So if you want to prove that these people are wrong, then convince me. What I see now is that you are trying to squirm your way out of answering my request. That is what everyone expects you will do.
So I am asking you again, answer my above facts and give me some proof. I will listen.

[randys (randys)]

Somedude,
I've got 100% positive rating on ebay, can I go to heaven now?

[i_remember_you (i_remember_you)]

Hey I just figured something out. Tony says it's okay to lie to the devil, and the devil to Tony isn't just the angel who turned against God in the beginning, the devil is everyone who dosen't believe in Tony, therefore they are getting on here and telling us lies about the abuse,wives, ect because to them we are the devil so it's okay for them to lie to us! Wow, isn't that sick! So don't expect to get the truth from any of the followers because we know this is the way it is, right?

[somedude (somedude)]

no randy, you got to be on sound doctrine to go to heaven and it sounds like your not if your asking that question. matter a fact beccasue1975 isn't on sound doctrine either and no heretic will get into heaven that's for sure. becaasue1975 said christianity was a bunch of people putting their foot in their mouths. so, i guess she was talking about all you people she calls her brothers and sisters in foot inserting. maybe that's why she don't like tony because he's not one of you foot inserters. and then beccasue1975 said that christianity should be like Peter when he denied the Lord, I guess she learned that from you old backsliders as well. real good! great teachings I must say. if your version of chrsitianity is the real one then I will never be a christian. good riddance!!

[rattlesnake (rattlesnake)]

Somedude,
I have nothing to do with any of these people other than on this board.... so convince me... PLEASE?

[somedude (somedude)]

i_remember_you -- i never read that in one of tony's tracts so you must be making that up too.

[somedude (somedude)]

rattlesnake-- i pointed to the testimonies of all the people who came on here and refuted all these accusations. also, why don't you go to Tony and ask him yourself? whats the harm in just seeing what he says? to be truthful, just by looking at tony's website I've found many articles explaining why these people are lying about him. if I were you I would read your Bible more often and ask God to open up your understanding to the spiritual realm like he's doing for me. why do I see it and you don't?

[rattlesnake (rattlesnake)]

In other words you ,like alamo supporter and ivy cannot provide anything to support your side. I don't need to read Tony's website, trust me, been there a lot of times and there are no facts there either to defend these allegations. Any of the testimonials on here are not proof either, really have nothing to do withthe allegations. If I were in the states right now, Trust Me, I would find Tony and I would hunt him down and confront him personally. In the past Tony has run away to avoid such confrontations. Why do you defend him so vehemently and yet when I ask you to convince me, you have nothing to offer. That is why people like myself will believe the survivors rather than you. So once again, convince me or admit that you can't!!!!

[holdol27 (holdol27)]

somedude--- would u get off the whole lying thang already? do u think jeanette was telling the truth about not being tony's wife when she got on here a few days ago? what about that huh? are you going to tell me you know jeanette better than i do? well then why isn't she allowed to contact her parents? the jeanette i knew was very close to her family! why is she denying being trapped in tony's house? tony had manipulated them into thinking they will burn in hell if they leave how sick is that?

[rattlesnake (rattlesnake)]

Somedude, I guess I must then conclude that you can't convince anyone.
If you come up with something at a later date, please, I am all ears.
But right now, you have not proven a single thing.

[skeptik (skeptik)]

Man, Somedude, with you, I don't know where you'tre coming from. One minute it's ebay, the next it's doctrine. Harder to nail down than a bowl of jello!

You're pretty articulate, even if you're TA party line all the way. Fox News Channel can use a guy/girl like you, they never seem to let the facts stand in the way of a good argument, and they stick to their story even in the face of the facts!

[somedude (somedude)]

ANTICHRIST UNMASKED
By
Tony Alamo
John is the only apostle to whom Jesus plainly revealed the mystery of the antichrist. John also is the only man of God who ever used the name antichrist in the entire Bible.1 John asked Jesus, "Lord, who is it? Jesus answered, He it is, to whom I shall give a sop, when I have dipped it. And when He had dipped the sop, He gave it to Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon [one of the many antichrists in the world then and today]" (John 13:25-26).
The definition of the word "antichrist" broadens with the symbolic number 666 in the gospel of John 6:66. This Scripture reads, "From that time many of His [Christ's] disciples went back, and walked no more with Him [backsliders]." The antichrist whose name was Judas walked with Christ, then walked no more with Christ, just like the antichrists who were the backslidden, former disciples of Christ in John 6:66.

The scope of the meaning of what and who antichrist is becomes clear in the following verses of 1 John 2:18-19: "Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. They [former Christians] went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us."

Today's great falling away of the church from Christ is the action of those Christians who have collectively decided to become antichrists, men and women of perdition like Judas the "son of perdition."2 These are also mentioned symbolically in Second Thessalonians, chapter two as a collective group composed of the fallen away Christian antichrists who have joined themselves to the anti-Christ, secular, one world government and church which is Satan's futile attempt to dethrone God and His kingdom.

Speaking of the very last days, the Apostle Paul states, "And then shall that Wicked be revealed [all antichrists], whom the Lord shall consume with the Spirit of His mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of His coming: Even him [backslidden Christians who once intended to return to the Lord, but never could because of their love for this present world],3 whose coming is after the working of Satan...with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved...That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness [sin]".4 "Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ?"5 It is written, "If we deny Him, He also will deny us" (2 Tim. 2:12). "Now the just shall live by faith [faith in God's promises]: but if any man draw back [become anti-Christ], my soul shall have no pleasure in him" (Heb. 10:38).

Anti-Christian has the very same meaning as anti-Christ. One of the characteristics of an antichrist is hostility to Christ and His followers (1 John 4:3). It was this spirit that Enoch and Noah renounced in their messages (Jude 14, 2 Pet. 2:5-7). This evil spirit is the mind which is hostile to God and opposes Him in Romans 8:7, the mystery of the lawless. This spirit is primarily found in the intellectual modes of opposition known as "against Christ." One of the ways that this spirit (which dwells in each antichrist) opposes Christ is by opposing the doctrine of His deity and His humanity. Also, this spirit sets itself against Christ in Christ's office of "High Priest"6 as the only sacrifice acceptable to God.

The wicked people possessed with the spirit of antichrist attempt to substitute some other method of atonement for sin other than Christ, "THE LAMB OF GOD."7 They attempt to find acceptance with God some erroneous and blasphemous way, as did the antichrists Cain and Saul, through their own religion rather than through Christ's salvation. Only salvation through Christ, not some fake religion, is acceptable to God.8 A church denomination or religion never died on the cross for our sins, nor did Mary or anybody else but Christ.9 No one but Christ can raise themselves and the world from the dead.10 Christ was not a mere prophet, but He was, is and always will be the Almighty, holy, eternal God; the Way, the Truth, and the Life,11 the beginning and the end of all things,12 the Saviour of the world.13

The Spirit of antichrist denies the office of Christ as "King of kings and Lord of lords,"14 claiming to exact its own laws to its false church and government, which are contrary to God's laws.15 The anti-Christ spirit also wishes to dispense with God's law, His commandments and Christ's office regarding all His prophecy. The anti-Christ spirit also adds, alters, or takes away from the divine revelation that Christ has given to His holy Word. These are but a few examples of the anti-Christ, blasphemous way of thinking and acting. Also, antichrists oppose Christ as the head of the church of God and creation, and are against those whom Christ approves of, such as His pastor-teachers, prophets, preachers, and disciples.

The spirit of antichrist is a filthy spirit.16 This spirit of self destruction utters the most horrible and unforgivable blasphemies against the Most High, and practices monstrous wickedness upon the saints. Scriptures confirming these truths are found in chapters 7 and 8 of Daniel, as well as in Revelation, chapters 12 and 13.

The Antichrist also blasphemes those living in Heaven and makes war with the saints (Rev. 13:7, Dan. 7:21).

Satan's spirit dwells utterly and bodily in these insolent, sinister, doomed creatures who not only seek to destroy the saints, but will endeavor to banish the name of God and His Christ from the very face of the earth so that he [Satan] can take charge.

Christ and His saints reject this earthly kingdom in favor of Christ's eternal, heavenly kingdom.17 The papacy and all religions, every "ism" including Protestantism, are unscriptural, anti-Christ. The backslidden Christians, having become antichrists, have joined themselves together to betray the saints and empower Satan's universal, one world government and church, "the beast,"18 the great whore,19 which is powered by Satan (the dragon),20 to attack everything that is God or that belongs to God.21

Jesus said, "Come and follow Me" (Matt. 19:21).22 To deny this request from Jesus is to deny Him, to become an antichrist.

The holy Scriptures tell us that when the Messiah came to dwell among us He would be called "Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us" (Isaiah 7:14, fulfilled in Matthew 1:23). He would also "be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace" (Isa. 9:6).

Jesus Himself said, "I am the Son of God" (John 10:36). He that says he knows God and "keepeth not His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him [he is an antichrist]" (1 John 2:4).

God’’s infallible Scriptures reveal that Jesus also is "THE WORD OF GOD"23 which created all things.24 "By Him were all things created, that are in Heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by Him, and for Him: And He is before all things, and by Him all things consist" (Col. 1:16-17). To deny the infallibility of Scripture is the same as denying Christ, the same as being an antichrist.

"Therefore we should give earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time they be lost" (Heb. 2:1).25

In the Old Testament, those antichrists who would not keep the law of Moses "died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith He was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?"26 (Grace is God's strength.) Those who know God's holy Scripture don't need to suppose the fate of these antichrists. It will surely be an eternity in Hell for them.27

It is immediately necessary for the world to decide whether to serve Christ or become anti-Christ, because the time of salvation is at hand and the time of Christ's return is at hand.28 The end time in which we are now living is called the time of "the valley of decision."29 This is the time for making up our minds.30 This is the time where the sheep are separated from the goats,31 the wheat separated from the chaff,32 those who are Christ's own separated from those who are antichrists.33 This fact means we must either accept Christ or reject Him now. There are no other choices for us. In other words, this very moment we must make the eternal decision as to where our souls will spend eternity. We must decide whether we will accept Christ or deny Him. We must choose to follow Christ or be just another one of the many antichrists on their way to an everlasting lake of fire in Hell.34 If we say we'd like to think about it, or wait a while before we accept Christ, it is the same as saying we have chosen to deny Christ.

Some people have an idea that they are serving the Lord even though they are not serving the Lord at all, the same as Cain and King Saul, who were an offense to God because they were not obedient to Him.35 Cain and Saul did it their way, not the Lord's way. Serving the Lord our way rather than the Lord's way will not immunize us from being an antichrist, but will rather ensure our being an antichrist.36

God says "behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation" (Isa. 49:8, 2 Cor. 6:2). When the Almighty Creator of Heaven, earth, and everything else says now, He means right NOW. Christ says to you as He says to all sinners, "COME AND FOLLOW ME."37 If you choose not to be one of today's many eternally doomed antichrists, then you will accept Christ's offer of eternal life in Heaven at once, as He commands, by saying this prayer:

Prayer

My Lord and my God, have mercy upon my soul, a sinner. 38 I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of the Living God.39 I believe that He died on the cross and shed His precious blood for the forgiveness of all my sins.40 I believe that God raised Jesus from the dead by the power of the Holy Spirit41 and that He sits on the right hand of God at this moment, hearing my confession of sin and this prayer. 42 I open up the door of my heart and I invite You into my heart, Lord Jesus. 43 Wash all of my filthy sins away in the precious blood that You shed in my place on the cross at Calvary.44 You will not turn me away, Lord Jesus, You will forgive my sins and save my soul. I know because Your Word, the Bible says so.45 Your Word says that You will turn no one away, and that includes me.46 Therefore, I know that You have heard me, and I know that You have answered me, and I know that I am saved. 47 And I thank You, Lord Jesus, for saving my soul, and I will show my thankfulness by doing as You command and sin no more. 48

[wilma (wilma)]

somedude and Ivy,

Once again you have failed to answer any direct questions? I asked VERY SIMPLE questions.

"Why would Jeanne and Mishael get on this message board and say they aren't Alamo's women??" Tony bragged for months that these girls (and many others) were his "wives" (sex partners).

Either Tony Alamo OR Jeanne Orlando and Mishael Jones Williams are lying. Could you please answer this question.

In the spring of 1996, while Alamo was in Fed prison in Texarkana his women and little girl wives were living in Fnd property (Tony's wives house) together in Moffett, OK. Lydia Willis and Mishael Jones Williams got in trouble and he kicked them out of his house (put them in ward) for approximately two weeks; then they were allowed to return "home". I had to go pick them up from Moffett, Ok. I took Mishael and Jordan to Jennifer Kolbeck's house. Lydia and Tabor (Tony Alamo and Lydia's two year old boy) stayed at my apartment for the duration of their punishment. Lydia fasted the whole time but fed TAbor his meals.

Why will no one acknowledge that Alamo has a child with Lydia Willis, who he married after Sharon Krooph? Anyone that was there in 1996 saw this child. Tabor Alamo stayed in my apartment at Jeanne Estates on Spradling Ave in Ft Smith, Arkansas.

Somedude and Ivy....please don't skirt the issues again. It is VERY PLAIN what you are doing. Answer the questions.

I will repost my above post to make it easy for you.
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from Wilma:
Ivy,
I accepted Jesus into my heart when I was 18 years old, in 1971. I have had a relationship with Him ever since. I have never turned my back on God and never will. I am married and love the man I have been with for almost 30 years now. I don't take drugs, lie, fornicate, etc.

Before I left the Foundation lots of the little girls used to hang out with me and I loved them dearly....even you might have hung out with me....I don't know who you are. It broke my heart to leave the people who I loved and who had become my family...I was there for 25 years.

You say your experience there was a good one. Didn't you ever wonder why some of the girls your age (and younger, 9-13 yrs old) went to live in Alamo's house and NEVER returned to live with there parents again. Didn't that seem strange to you? Don't you think they missed seeing their parents and their brothers and sisters? Don't you think their parents missed them? This is not normal behavior. How often did Alys Ondrisek get to see her Dad (Richard) and her brothers, after she moved into Alamo's house and became one of his sex partners?? How often did Desiree Kolbeck get to see her Dad (John Kolbeck) and her brothers and sisters??? How often did Pebbles Rodriguez get to see her family. They were just little girls when they moved into Tony Alamo's house.

Do you think Desiree Kolbeck , Pebbles Rodriguez, and Alys Ondrisek can say what you have about your years there?? I quote you, "I have had a wonderful, loving and very cherished childhood at the church." Has Tabor (Tony Alamo's son by Lydia Willis) and Jordan (Kenya and Mishael's son) had a good upbringing? I think not.

Just think about it Ivy.

Why are you afraid to post your real name on this board? Are you really a Foundation kid? Or maybe an adult, pretending to be a kid? We won't know unless you tell us who you are. Believe me, we aren't on this message board to harm you. We want to help you, if you want our help.

I have a busy fulfilling life. The only reason I would take time out and post on this board is because of a deep conviction of what is right and wrong. I was still at the Foundation when Tami, Lizzy Guiterrez, Jeanne Orlando, Angel Streit, Isabel, Jody Fryer, Lydia Willis, and Mishael Jones Williams had moved into Alamo's house and heard him brag on numerous occasions that they were his "wives" (sex partners). I witnessed this and know this for a fact.

Why would Jeanne and Mishael get on this message board and say they aren't Alamo's women??

Ivy, can you tell me?

Susie Groulx

[rattlesnake (rattlesnake)]

Hey somedude: That does not prove a thing either.

[holdol27 (holdol27)]

hey somedude! we're the get along gang! i for one was never kicked out what was your point again?

[beccasue1975 (beccasue1975)]

My Account was hacked into...
I JUST NOW walked in the door and found that my personal password on this account had been changed and posts had been written that were NOT form me (as anyone who knows me would know)

I will now be posting under a different name and email address to protect my privacy.

Regards,
Rebecca

Posted by irish_jedi (irish_jedi) on Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 5:53 pm:

until I change the email address with jeanne's accounttttttt

to verify:
Go to Forgotten Password?
Type in: streitrobert@aol.com
Hit continue.
It will show my screen name.

Anonymous

[holdol27 (holdol27)]

becca and everyone ---- someone on this site obviously a alamo supporter is computer savy or knows someone that can hack into your account.....get a firewall!

[holdol27 (holdol27)]

WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE BECCA?

[ivy (ivy)]

Becca,
First of all YOU HAVE NEVER MET ME, YOU HAVE NEVER MET MY PARENTS SO BEING THAT YOU CLAIM TO BE A CHRISTIAN... WHERE DO COME OFF MAKING SUCH GARBAGE UP ABOUT HER? DO YOU HAVE A WEBCAM IN HER HOME? NO, YOU DON'T. WHY ARE YOU SUCH A BUSYBODY? IS THAT OF THE LORD? YOU ARE SO UNGODLY,UNSCRIPTURAL AND VERY SICK. YOU MAKE UP ALL THESE LIES AND THEN YOU HAVE TO GALL TO SAY YOU ARE A WOMAN OF GOD!!! NO ONE WITH A BRAIN IN THEIR HEAD WOULD EVER BELIEVE IT.

[ivy (ivy)]

becca,
ONE MORE THING, BRENDAN BRODERICK, HAS A BROTHER WHOSE NICKNAME IS <font color="ff0000">NIK. </font><font color="000000">but you wouldn't know that because you don't know what you are talking about to BUSYBODY.. MY MOM IS NOT IRISH. AND HER NAME IS NOT RODRIGUEZ...</font>

[holdol27 (holdol27)]

nicholas..........i think i changed his diapers

[anonymous2 (anonymous2)]

nfly, irishjedi, ivy,
So you think lying is ok? You come on here saying you are beccasue1975_ when everyone knows you are not. So lying is ok in your church????

[i_remember_you (i_remember_you)]

I never said that was in tonys tracts-somedude-i never read his tracts, I was too young and now I just throw them away when they come in the mail or I let my kids cut them up. I heard tony say that with my own ears from his own mouth! so no I didn't make it up. I'm sure if your a follower, you've heard it too.

[beccasue1975 (beccasue1975)]

Munchkin is not me!

I have been out all day long.

go to: http://www.ip2location.com/free.asp
Type in the IP Address: 62.255.32.17

The United Kingdom is NOT the United States.
The Second word REALLY does make a difference.
Now, I dare you to come back and say munchkin is me...

[iasmann (iasmann)]

Tony did change his name after he was saved but not legally. He changed his name when he was in hiding to Harvey Cochran.

Harvey was a brother who got permanently disabled in a car wreck while out distributing Tony's literature. He had been at the foundation for about 20 years. After he was injured Tony didn't want to pay for his care so he dumped him in a nursing home and abandoned him. He said he was a weasel for having the accident. That's Tony's idea of Christian love.

Then Tony stole his ID when he went into hiding.

Nancy Ross says, "On July 5, 1991, Alamo was "captured" in Tampa, Florida where he and other church members openly operated a hardware store and family-style restaurant."

The coward was openly going under the name of Harvey Cochran and using Harvey's ID. Again this is indisputable fact that is backed by arrest records and court records. He was not going around under his own name like Nancy alleges.

Have you noticed the pattern yet. Everything Tony accuses everyone else off he is actually guilty of himself. The evidence he uses against them is based on hearsay and unprovable allegations. But God has arranged for the evidence against Tony to be 100% verifiable by sworn court testimony or other public records.

Of course Tony will say it's all a Vatican or Can plot blah, blah, blah. But think about this.

What are the chances that all these people from around the country are CAN members or Jesuit priests. You've got Jury members in Memphis, police officers in Tampa, a truck sales company in Arkansas, a bankruptcy court, his own website, a book written long before he got saved, a car dealer in Nashville, his own tax returns etc. The list goes on and on. They can't all be plants working for CAN or the Vatican but that's what Tony keeps saying. It's like a broken record. Just read Nancy Ross's story.

Not to mention dozens of people who have personally known him and have seen real atrocities far worse than anything mentioned here.

He wants to know why I don't talk about the altar calls full of souls with tears streaming down their faces. Because that hasn't happened over there in almost THIRTY years. That's why. All he has now is 15 year old testimonies from Chalais and Demoulin. It's pathetic. The scribes and pharisee's searched land and sea and got a proselyte. Tony's so pathetic he searches land and sea but can't come up with a new proselyte in 15 years.

Tony did destroy the foundation. It says so right in the Nancy Ross story. Tony gave up 52 million dollars worth of the Lord's property to the devil. Property that God had given to the church to use in winning souls that Christ died for. Tony gave it all away in a fit of uncontrollable rage when he had a little boy beaten 140 times with a 2 by 4. And when he lied on his tax return.

The bible says "He that covereth his sins shall not prosper:" that's why the Lord took away everything he had and threw him in jail.

We helped him to cover his sin that's why we ended up on the street as well. But we took heed to the second half of that scripture, "whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy" and Tony hardened his heart to it.

Tony is still covering up these sins decades later. I know many of the people posting for him are doing so because they are coerced. The Lord knows that and will have mercy. But some of you are grown men and women who know better and are in a position to stop what's going on just by going to the police and reporting it. There is no statute of limitations on child molestation. That's why all these catholic priests were busted 20 and 30 years after their crimes. It will never be too late to report this stuff until Tony is in the grave.

His greatest claim to fame is a bunch of letters from foreign countries from people who've never even met him. He writes tracts and preaches messages about stuff he doesn't practice anywhere but in his own mind.

Susie always used to say "if you want to know how to do something ask someone who's never done it." That about fits the bill for Tony's tracts.

[smitty (smitty)]

Posted on Friday, November 04, 2005 - 10:19 am:

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Being somewhat klutzy w/ the computer, I can't seem to contact the Moderators of these threads. Would someone else who can PLEASE get ahold of them and get this crap cleaned up.

[rattlesnake (rattlesnake)]

I am sure that even God is cringing at this so called Christian language and behaviour that you alamo supporters use.
Probably even Tony would be disappointed in you because for an outsider to sit and read all of this, they would definately not believe that a leader who allowed his followers to speak and behave in such an outrageous and rude manner would be a leader led by God.

All the time that you spend trying to convince outsiders how righteous and godly Tony Alamo is, is blown to bits by all your nasty posts.

Seriously think about it from a mature point of view if you will. The Alamo supporters are the ones trying to prove that Tony is led by God and that everyone else is just trying to destroy Tony, for whatever reason.

If you, alamo supporters, had never heard of Tony Alamo, and you were seriously trying to get some sort of answers about whether or not he was truly led by God, would you find what you are saying very convincing?

I know you will come back at me with something rude, at this point I expect nothing less, but I think that if you really search your heart, deep down you know this is true.

If you truly believe that Tony is who you think he is, then do you not think that he is capable of defending himself?

And if you are truly worried about someone getting turned off from following Tony because of what the non-supporters are saying, consider this: If Tony really is chosen by God and God wanted to choose someone to be a follower of Him through Tony, do you not have enough confidence in God to see his will be done regardless of what is said on here?

Why don't you let God and Tony fight this battle instead of coming on here and making Tony and his ministry look like such an unattractive ministry?

Please really give this some consideration. Right now things don't look too attractive and as a "mostly" outsider, I have to tell you ... they ain't getting any better.

[false_prophet_detecter (false_prophet_detecter)]

What you knew before you were born isn't lost. You only hide it till you're tested, till it's time to remember. And sure enough, when you want, you'll find some odd funny beautiful way to find it again.