How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken

[willie (willie)]

Are there two or more witnesses that can testify, having heard with their own ears, that Mr. Alamo has said the Lord told him such and such a thing will happen, and the thing which he spoke did not happen? He spoke in the name of the Lord and it didn't come to pass.


Deu 18:20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.
Deu 18:21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?
Deu 18:22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously:thou shalt not be afraid of him.


Please refrain from using vulgar language. At least show some dignity and respect when speaking to another person. Remember, fruit is also considered our words, the fruit of our lips.


Eph 4:29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.


Col 3:8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.


As far as polygamy goes, the only people that I can find that practised it, and considered themselves Christians, were Mormons. Joseph Smith, the founder of the Mormon religion, said God gave him a revelation that polygamy was to be practised. That was in the 1800's, the Mormons eventually stopped the practice and only a few small sects of Mormons are polygamists today.
The official Mormon line is "no polygamy today". Also I don't see any way you can read the New Testament and come away thinking it is okay to have more than one wife.

Have there been any others that considered themselves strong Christian preachers or pastors that have been married to more than one woman at the same time, other than Mr. Alamo and the Mormons? Name them, please, so I can read what they taught. They were first called Christians at Antioch, New testament Christians. I'm not asking for people from the time before Messiah, Yeshua, Jesus the Christ walked on earth.

Someone mentioned an article that Mr. Alamo wrote in which he sets forth his doctrine on polygamy. I would like to see it but can't find it at the Tony Alamo Christian Ministries website. Maybe someone could post the article here or give a link to it.

Ecc 4:13 Better is a poor and a wise child than an old and foolish king, who will no more be admonished.

(Message edited by willie on November 05, 2005)

[jules11468 (jules11468)]

Willie, its really not the polygamy that TA practices that is so troublesome. I could care less if he has 100 wives. Its the fact that some of these "wives" are little children.

The fact that parents of these children actually allowed this monstor to "take their children" is just as bad. They too should be arrested for child endangerment.

[insearchoftherealtruth (insearchoftherealtruth)]

Willie, sounds like a fair enough question. And with the scriptures you used to make your point, it will be hard to argue with. I have seen much venom spewed by both sides with vile name-calling and hatred exhibited on both sides of this argument.

For one moment, let us all assume that Mr. Alamo is a pastor that hears from the Lord. If the Almighty has allowed him to perform these acts which he is being so vehemently accused of, then he, being a Man of God, should just say..."God said for me to do these things, he allows me a certain lee-way and if you or any one else doesn't like it, then that's tough."

But his defenders insist on double talk and rhetoric. I am not siding with one side against the other here. I am seriously trying to discern truth from lies. Both sides have stories that are completely contradictory to the others. Someone is lying. Maybe both sides are making it seem much worse than it really is and the truth lies somewhere in the middle. ICorinthians 4:5 instructs us.... "Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God".

[jules11468 (jules11468)]

Insearchof:

It would be hard for anyone who has not lived in the foundation to even begin to understand what goes on there. Truly.

You say "maybe both sides are making it seem much worse than it really is". Well how much more true can it get, then seeing it with your own eyes? As far as the polygamy, that stuff happened after I left, but let me assure you that the child beatings did absolutely occur. I saw them with my own eyes. Many of my close friends still suffer emotional and physical scars because of it.

Of course his followers will defend him and even lie for him. I did it myself when I was there, vehemently. We all did. Being raised there since I was 2 years old, it was all I knew how to do.

The fact that TA hasnt been brought up on charges for these crimes is just another example of our system that would like to look the other way when it comes to these types of organizations. Maybe they think it is more trouble than its worth. Who knows.

One thing is true though, I learned this as a little girl and it holds true today "BE SURE YOUR SINS WILL FIND YOU OUT."

[marty_s (marty_s)]

jules i decided to take your advice. keep speaking the truth. they just want us to go away but that's not the answer. ian keep bringing it. i think that was striet talking to you the other night. i still can't believe people can't see this guy for what he is.

[false_prophet_detecter (false_prophet_detecter)]

How many lifetimes without finding what they know and love? Many. It's your job to be sure you're not one of 'em.

[false_prophet_detecter (false_prophet_detecter)]

Humanity isn't a physical description, it's a spiritual goal. It's not something you're given, it's something you earn.

[safenowinspite (safenowinspite)]

willie....I know my younger daughter was put out of the church for asking Papa Tony the question..Could you explain the scripture to me about letting the deacons be the husband of one wife. 1 Timothy 3:12. He was very upset about it...because he already had several wives and they kept getting younger and younger.

[moonflower (moonflower)]

I have very little time to be on this corrupt message board because I work for the Lord and can’t waste much time on this, so I have to get everything out that I have to say at once so bear with me for just a little longer. Then I’m out of here. (For the record, Tony doesn’t even know I’m writing this. I have access to the internet and post what I want when I want.)

I want to get another thing straight. I am here in this church not because I was born here but because the Lord has shown me personally beyond any doubt that Pastor Alamo is of the Lord, not because I was told he was. I only listen to the Lord, not to human flesh.

Most of the children that were in the church were here because their parents were and because it was all they knew. But some of us had had real experiences with the Lord and had a closeness with the Lord that went beyond just being in the church. After the government had the church property raided the property and kicked us all out onto the streets, we all went to make livings for ourselves. Some families stayed in touch with the church and tithed but some didn’t. I’m ashamed to say ours didn’t. We had the chance to live the way you all are living now. Some people loved it and chose it rather than a life of self denial, which is what we are commanded to live. But I was miserable out there. I always talked to my family about wanting to get back to the church. I hated it out there. My flesh may have liked some of it, but I knew I wasn’t right with God. No matter how much I tried to serve Him out there, I just couldn’t. There were so many things to distract me from serving the Lord. It was impossible to keep the first and most important commandment, which is love the Lord with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength. The Lord kept dealing with me to get back to the church. It wasn’t anything Tony told me. As a matter of fact, I never talked to him, and I rarely heard his message tapes. It was just between God and I, the Lord dealing with me like He had so many times before. (I know when God’s dealing with me.) I couldn’t sleep at night because I knew I wasn’t where God wanted me. I lived like that for years. I couldn’t bring myself to just leave my family and go back even though I wanted to so badly. To make a long story short, my family finally came back to the church. This time I was blessed with the opportunity that I never had before while growing up in the church (none of the children did, they only heard from other people, “Tony said this, Tony said that” most of which Tony never said. You all remember the cruelty to the children brought on by the likes of Dale and Cindy Garris and many others. All of which Tony was very angry about when he heard, and these adults were not allowed to be in positions of taking care of children anymore). This time I got to work around Tony because I worked in the church office. This is when I found out for myself (not taught by anyone else) that he truly is a prophet of the Lord. I have witnessed personally him praying over many, many people (I would never be able to give an amount because it’s such a common occurrence) and they were healed instantly. I’ve seen him, many times, be warned from the Lord to leave somewhere and he, of course, obeyed right away, as he always does, and each time it is manifested why the Lord had him leave—once an earthquake, once a flood, etc.—too many times to mention if I want to finish this tonight. (I’ve got other things to do. I do have a life.) Many times someone will be worried because they think something is really wrong with them or they think something bad is going to happen, and the pastor prays and the Lord tells him everything is okay. And sure enough everything was okay. In fact, that just happened today. Then other times something would happen and it seemed in normal circumstances that it would be no big deal and the pastor says the Lord is warning me about this. This person needs to go to the hospital or do this or do that, and it turns out if they wouldn’t have followed the Lord’s instructions through Tony there would have been a death or something really bad would have happened. I can give two examples. 1) A boy fell out of a tree. Everyone one was just treating it like a minor accident because no one actually saw him fall out of the tree and he had no sign of something seriously being wrong with him. He said he was fine and was already feeling better. When the pastor found out it the Lord instructed him to get him to the hospital right away. They drove him there, and when they got him to the hospital they gave him an MRI and he was bleeding behind the skull, causing his brain to be pushed to the left. They had to operate right away, and everything ended up fine. But the doctors kept commenting that if he hadn’t been brought in as soon as he was there would have been brain damage or death. But because of Tony’s constant with the Lord and they got him to the hospital so fast, he had a very successful surgery and very quick recovery. Of course, Tony gives all the glory to the Lord. 2)There was a woman having twins in the church. The one baby had come and the midwives were just waiting for the other to come. It had only been a little while. Pastor Tony was studying and writing, and he came out right in the middle of writing and said, “The Lord’s telling me to take her to the hospital right away or she and the baby will die. Of course they acted immediately on his instruction, and the doctor had to rush her into an emergency C-section because they said the woman’s womb was closing up with the baby still inside. Again they kept saying that if she wouldn’t have gotten there when she did both her and the baby would have died.

There have been so many times that I have been going through something and never told anyone. I just prayed to the Lord about it, and the same day the Lord will give Tony a message or have him say something that will be exactly what I needed to hear at that time. There was no way he would’ve known unless he was hearing from the Lord. I’ve had a thought come across by brain, and just as it was going through my brain, he told me what I was thinking. These are things that no one can argue with because I know for a fact that they are true, and these are a few of the reasons that nothing you all say will convince me that Tony is not of the Lord. I haven’t even mentioned the obvious: the millions of souls he has won to the Lord. “By their fruits ye shall know them” (Matt. 7:20). “He that winneth souls is wise” (Prov. 11:30). So he that wins the most souls must be the wisest. You would do well to listen to him.

There’s so much more I could say. But these are just a few of the reasons I know Pastor Alamo to be of the Lord. I know God has called me into this ministry. The Bible says, “Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called” (I Cor. 7:20). So anyone who tries to tell me to do other wise, “Get thee behind me, Satan.” I’m here because I know God wants me here. My fear is not “taught to me by the precepts of men” (Isa. 29:13). God has dealt with me personally, and I will never listen to human flesh.

Anyone who happens upon this message board, if the Lord is leading you to come to the Tony Alamo Christian Ministries and you listen to these people’s lies and let them sway you, instead of heeding God’s calling, you are conferring with flesh and blood, and you will be led astray. This is why the Lord says, “Take heed what you hear” (Mark 4:23).

Remember these words to a song: “You won’t lose a friend by heeding God’s calling, for what is a friend if he wants you to fall. Others find pleasure in things I despise. I like that old Christian life.”

[rattlesnake (rattlesnake)]

Moonflower:
True, those are great things that happened and yet, amazingly enough, God performs miracles and he speaks to people all over the world. The most amazing thing of all is that God speaks to people and performs miracles for people and the majority of these people don't have to live in a foundation where children are abused, molested and married off as children brides, not to mention having to live as concubines to some man who has a hard time being sexually satisfied with one woman.

Did it ever occur to you that maybe, deep down, Tony got a little worried and decided he better seek outside help so he would not end up in hot water if something went wrong? Always a possibility, you know.