I have had enoughno more of this painTony will go back to prison

[horn (horn)]

The first thing I would like to do is hit everyone with a bit of reality. Susan Alamo was just as much a con artist and liar as Tony. I don’t say this lightly, especially after reading many of the posts. It all started at Carlos Ave. when Tony and Sue were down on their luck and realized that with Tony’s con artist skills and Sue’s deep understanding of born again Christianity, that when they saw in the young peoples hearts searching for the truth that there was a gold mine to be unearthed. I have many pages of documents of both Tony and Sue lying through their teeth. This may be hard for some of you to realize that when Sue died Tony flipped out or took some kind of spiral but in reality for him nothing changed except his wife was dead and he was free to do whatever he wanted to do.

I had no plan on getting involved until I read a lot of these posts and realized the extent of the children being abused by Tony. I intend on contacting in the near future a number of the older brothers and sisters and some of the second generation children. What will happen, we will as a group and force to be reckoned with put together a plan to stop in no uncertain terms, Tony Alamo and his perverted use of our children. Tony Alamo will, if he has any brains in his head get out of the country because he will go to prison for the rest of his life. This is reality and I promise it will happen.

In order for many of us to get on with our lives we need to eliminate this pervert. For some it may be hard to except this reality but keep in mind we only know what we have learned. But believe me the truth will set you free. Once again I want to make it perfectly clear that we as a group will put together a plan that will put Tony back in prison. I promise you that. And when you know who this is, with my information and my determination which is second to none, our fellow friends and family will be freed. I can’t do it alone, it won’t be easy.

[ivy (ivy)]

You will do no such thing. Tony is not guilty and Susie is in Heaven. you will be in prison/hell forever if you don't repent. `

[rattlesnake (rattlesnake)]

Horn... I hope you do what you have promised to do... I was wondering how long it would take before someone got mad enough to take action.

Ivy: if Tony has done no wrong, then why are you getting so upset. If he is guilty of the crime.. he should do the time. You proclaim his innocence, yet you protest way too much for someone who really believes he is innocent.

beccasue1975_ (Please note the underscore)... You seem to think everyone is too intimidated to go up against Tony.... There is power in numbers. You just may find that smirk wiped off your face yet.

[jules11468 (jules11468)]

Horn, there are so many people who are ready and willing to help put that <font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font> where he belongs. Count me in!

[smitty (smitty)]

Horn...Do we know you? That was Susie's original last name Edith Opal Horn.

[neasie (neasie)]

Horn

IF you mean what you say...count me in. Someone needs to pay for what they put my brother and his friends through. Hope my female biological unit is up for the challenge. To quote one of my still favorite songs of 1973...RUN SINNERMAN...THE ROCKS THEY CANT HIDE YOU!!!

Neasie(Denise)

[safenowinspite (safenowinspite)]

Horn...my e-mail is kaye132001@yahoo.com
Im not afraid to say what I know to be true.

[sjway (sjway)]

For everyone's information I was there at 20644 Roscoe in Canoga Park Ca in early '93 when he told myself and Bert Krantz that he had just become a polygamist (with Lydia Willis). After that he repeatedly denied it publicly - then he would explain in private that they were just concubines not wives. It's gotta stop- just like all who deprive others of their God given liberty eventually get their judgment. - Simon

[moonflower (moonflower)]

I have very little time to be on this corrupt message board because I work for the Lord and can’t waste much time on this, so I have to get everything out that I have to say at once so bear with me for just a little longer. Then I’m out of here. (For the record, Tony doesn’t even know I’m writing this. I have access to the internet and post what I want when I want.)

I want to get another thing straight. I am here in this church not because I was born here but because the Lord has shown me personally beyond any doubt that Pastor Alamo is of the Lord, not because I was told he was. I only listen to the Lord, not to human flesh.

Most of the children that were in the church were here because their parents were and because it was all they knew. But some of us had had real experiences with the Lord and had a closeness with the Lord that went beyond just being in the church. After the government had the church property raided the property and kicked us all out onto the streets, we all went to make livings for ourselves. Some families stayed in touch with the church and tithed but some didn’t. I’m ashamed to say ours didn’t. We had the chance to live the way you all are living now. Some people loved it and chose it rather than a life of self denial, which is what we are commanded to live. But I was miserable out there. I always talked to my family about wanting to get back to the church. I hated it out there. My flesh may have liked some of it, but I knew I wasn’t right with God. No matter how much I tried to serve Him out there, I just couldn’t. There were so many things to distract me from serving the Lord. It was impossible to keep the first and most important commandment, which is love the Lord with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength. The Lord kept dealing with me to get back to the church. It wasn’t anything Tony told me. As a matter of fact, I never talked to him, and I rarely heard his message tapes. It was just between God and I, the Lord dealing with me like He had so many times before. (I know when God’s dealing with me.) I couldn’t sleep at night because I knew I wasn’t where God wanted me. I lived like that for years. I couldn’t bring myself to just leave my family and go back even though I wanted to so badly. To make a long story short, my family finally came back to the church. This time I was blessed with the opportunity that I never had before while growing up in the church (none of the children did, they only heard from other people, “Tony said this, Tony said that” most of which Tony never said. You all remember the cruelty to the children brought on by the likes of Dale and Cindy Garris and many others. All of which Tony was very angry about when he heard, and these adults were not allowed to be in positions of taking care of children anymore). This time I got to work around Tony because I worked in the church office. This is when I found out for myself (not taught by anyone else) that he truly is a prophet of the Lord. I have witnessed personally him praying over many, many people (I would never be able to give an amount because it’s such a common occurrence) and they were healed instantly. I’ve seen him, many times, be warned from the Lord to leave somewhere and he, of course, obeyed right away, as he always does, and each time it is manifested why the Lord had him leave—once an earthquake, once a flood, etc.—too many times to mention if I want to finish this tonight. (I’ve got other things to do. I do have a life.) Many times someone will be worried because they think something is really wrong with them or they think something bad is going to happen, and the pastor prays and the Lord tells him everything is okay. And sure enough everything was okay. In fact, that just happened today. Then other times something would happen and it seemed in normal circumstances that it would be no big deal and the pastor says the Lord is warning me about this. This person needs to go to the hospital or do this or do that, and it turns out if they wouldn’t have followed the Lord’s instructions through Tony there would have been a death or something really bad would have happened. I can give two examples. 1) A boy fell out of a tree. Everyone one was just treating it like a minor accident because no one actually saw him fall out of the tree and he had no sign of something seriously being wrong with him. He said he was fine and was already feeling better. When the pastor found out it the Lord instructed him to get him to the hospital right away. They drove him there, and when they got him to the hospital they gave him an MRI and he was bleeding behind the skull, causing his brain to be pushed to the left. They had to operate right away, and everything ended up fine. But the doctors kept commenting that if he hadn’t been brought in as soon as he was there would have been brain damage or death. But because of Tony’s constant with the Lord and they got him to the hospital so fast, he had a very successful surgery and very quick recovery. Of course, Tony gives all the glory to the Lord. 2)There was a woman having twins in the church. The one baby had come and the midwives were just waiting for the other to come. It had only been a little while. Pastor Tony was studying and writing, and he came out right in the middle of writing and said, “The Lord’s telling me to take her to the hospital right away or she and the baby will die. Of course they acted immediately on his instruction, and the doctor had to rush her into an emergency C-section because they said the woman’s womb was closing up with the baby still inside. Again they kept saying that if she wouldn’t have gotten there when she did both her and the baby would have died.

There have been so many times that I have been going through something and never told anyone. I just prayed to the Lord about it, and the same day the Lord will give Tony a message or have him say something that will be exactly what I needed to hear at that time. There was no way he would’ve known unless he was hearing from the Lord. I’ve had a thought come across by brain, and just as it was going through my brain, he told me what I was thinking. These are things that no one can argue with because I know for a fact that they are true, and these are a few of the reasons that nothing you all say will convince me that Tony is not of the Lord. I haven’t even mentioned the obvious: the millions of souls he has won to the Lord. “By their fruits ye shall know them” (Matt. 7:20). “He that winneth souls is wise” (Prov. 11:30). So he that wins the most souls must be the wisest. You would do well to listen to him.

There’s so much more I could say. But these are just a few of the reasons I know Pastor Alamo to be of the Lord. I know God has called me into this ministry. The Bible says, “Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called” (I Cor. 7:20). So anyone who tries to tell me to do other wise, “Get thee behind me, Satan.” I’m here because I know God wants me here. My fear is not “taught to me by the precepts of men” (Isa. 29:13). God has dealt with me personally, and I will never listen to human flesh.

Anyone who happens upon this message board, if the Lord is leading you to come to the Tony Alamo Christian Ministries and you listen to these people’s lies and let them sway you, instead of heeding God’s calling, you are conferring with flesh and blood, and you will be led astray. This is why the Lord says, “Take heed what you hear” (Mark 4:23).

Remember these words to a song: “You won’t lose a friend by heeding God’s calling, for what is a friend if he wants you to fall. Others find pleasure in things I despise. I like that old Christian life.”
Misheal

[rattlesnake (rattlesnake)]

Moonflower:
True, those are great things that happened and yet, amazingly enough, God performs miracles and he speaks to people all over the world. The most amazing thing of all is that God speaks to people and performs miracles for people and the majority of these people don't have to live in a foundation where children are abused, molested and married off as children brides, not to mention having to live as concubines to some man who has a hard time being sexually satisfied with one woman.

Did it ever occur to you that maybe, deep down, Tony got a little worried and decided he better seek outside help so he would not end up in hot water if something went wrong? Always a possibility, you know.

[moonflower (moonflower)]

In light of everything that is being said on this message board, the Lord keeps bringing this scripture to my mind. (No, Tony didn’t remind me of this scripture like you are probably going to say. I talk to the Lord myself, and believe me, I’ve talked to him about you people.)

“Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for My sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in Heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you” (Matt. 5:11-12). “Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! For so did their fathers to the false prophets.”

You people will be some of the very ones that will be sending gifts to each other when the two witnesses are dead, lying in the streets for three days. You’ll be sending the gifts because they tormented you so much with the truth of the Word of God. I’m sure you would be so happy if something would happen to Pastor Alamo, but remember there’s nothing you can do until he has accomplished everything the Lord has for him to accomplish. Even then, remember, you won’t keep him down for long, just a few days. Then you know what happens next. Praise God for the victory we have in Jesus Christ! We win remember!

Misheal

[helives (helives)]

Misheal
quit coping and pasting what you said back on the other boards. We've read that. Do you have anything new to add.

Better yet can you answer some of the tough questions that have been asked on this board. Most of the questions require a yes or no answer. So see if you are up to telling the truth. All you have to do is type yes or no!

1. Did the children get beaten by tony's command on Georgia ridge at the spec house?
(let me remind you - I was there and so were you - I saw you. didn't you getspanked with the board of education too?)

2. Are you or have you ever been 1 of Tony's wives, concubines or sex partners, or whatever he calls it?

3. Weren't you married to Kenya before Tony kicked him out and took you for his whatever he calls you?

4. Has your son ever been hit, shoved, pushed, tapped - whatever word you use instead of abused, by Tony?

5. Have you ever been abused (hit,shoved,pushed or whatever words you use to describe abuse) by Tony

6. Are Jeannie, Lizzy, Angel, Lydia and Sharon a few of Tony's many wives, concubines, sex partners or whatever words you all use to describe sleeping, kissing, laying with Tony?
Yes or No is the only required answer for this question

Anyone reading this board would like to see truthful answers to these few questions. Just yes or no.

Remember we already know the answers to these questions. Be honest, at least to yourself!

Lorrie loves you so much, and Nfly stated that you and Jennifer love her and miss her. So if you are so free - give her a call, even if it is to preach the gospel to her and win her back to Christ. Call her - she loves you and would never hurt you.

She just emailed me a beautiful pics of her wedding, what a beautiful bride, her husband - so handsome. The kids, which would be your newphews - growing up without your christian input into their lives.

I'm so glad that I can be a big part of my grand daughters life. To help input Christ in her life. She is a wonderful 11 year old, and beautiful, smart and most of all safe from Tony!

Mishael, there are lots of people who understand what life is like inside the foundation. How Tony tells all the old dogs that no one wants them, they are washed up nothings.

That is so untrue - know that there are people who can and will help if you make the first move. Stop being paralyzed with fear. Once you are out of there - Tony can not hurt you anymore.

Can he kick me out of my house,separate me from my husband, or children, take my furniture away, take my paycheck away, take me off of driving,separate me from the congregation and call me poison. and on and on- all the things are forms of control that he used while I lived in the foundation.
He can NEVER DO THESE THINGS TO ME AGAIN. I Win!! Tony does not control me any longer.

I get to work if I want, were I want and go where I want, talk to who I want, pray when I want, sleep when I need to. eat when I want, fast when I want, on and on and on.
Tony Alamo DOES NOT CONTROL ME ANY LONGER.

Guess what - I get to type what I want and don't have to worry about getting put on a forty day fast, or beat or rebuke openly or whatever his tactics are now. I'm free of tony alamo and his fear tactics!

Jesus set me free!

[skeptik (skeptik)]

Sorry for my absence, I posted here quite a bit, and I was merely a visitor to the Foundation, but I caught on and didn't move in.

With that in mind, I gotta reply to some things, and I apologize in advance for the length.

1. ivy (ivy)
Member
Username: ivy

Post Number: 92
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 205.188.117.7
Posted on Sunday, November 06, 2005 - 4:14 pm:

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You will do no such thing. Tony is not guilty and Susie is in Heaven. you will be in prison/hell forever if you don't repent. `

Ivy, last i heard, God's in His Heaven on His Throne, and He's not about to step aside for you to take over. Not up to you to decide who goes to Heaven and who won't. And I'm not Alamo's judge, but it don't look too good for him where I sit.

As for Susan Alamo, there's been some interesting posts here on her life/times/legend/mythology. I've done some reading on her too, and it don't look too good. I see that her own daughter had some interesting tales to tell, and they don't paint a flattering picture of SA.

As for people going to Hell, what, you gonna be the one to send them there? Please! So just get over it.

2.“Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for My sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in Heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you” (Matt. 5:11-12). “Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! For so did their fathers to the false prophets.”

Moonflower, it's funny that you guys can pull all of this stuff, such as what happened to that Miller kid-among other things- and when you're held accountable for it, you play the persecution card. Please! If Tony was in the right, why'd he go on the lam for a couple of years? And if these charges of molestation are brought to court, and if TA is found guilty beyond areasonable doubt, whatcha gonna do?

3.sashamcknight (sashamcknight)
New member
Username: sashamcknight

Post Number: 2
Registered: 11-2005
Posted From: 205.188.117.7
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 3:46 pm:

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One of the things that stands out to me regarding the conflicting stories is that a lot of those who are in oppostion to Alamo Ministries use obscene language and extreme mockery of scripture and it seems as if some have left simply for the pleasure of wanting experience things that God does condemn. Is there someone who can please just put aside personal differences and tell the truth?

Okay Sasha, I don't know what side of the debate you're on, but here's the truth.

I heard TA in person; even sat for a sermon or two. Got the tapes, read the literature. Even got a few tapes made of his brother's radio show when he called in. He basically came off as some
quasi-autodidact that rambled on and on of many topics, saying many things but ultimately had nothing to say. A man who seemed to have all the answers but couldn't condescend to ponder its questions. And maybe there's some scripture thrown in to fulfil the legal definition of the word "sermon."

I get to meet the guy, and he's the same off-stage as on: a conceited, boorish, swaggering cartoon character, a strutting fool, always set to impress. No humility, all mouth, in short, a punk. He didn't impress me then, and he sure don't impress me now.

I get to see the Ridge. I see a mansion and a few houses for the priveleged few. I also saw a converted motel in town that had seen its better days, people who deserved better. I saw people who'd lived at the cement plant in meager surroundings. Tell me that we're alll equal in God's sight, true, but not in the eyes of TA.

And I knew he had a thing for women, as evidenced by the number of wives he'd had since SA died. I mean there was Birgitte and Elizabeth and Diana, and that one he got caught with as he was arrested in Tampa. And now we have the polygamy thing AND charges of child molestation.

As for the manipulation, I didn't join no matter how hard they pressed me to. I was in college at the time, and they'd tried to get me to drop out and join up. Oh, and they'd twist scriptures and use some psychic blackmail to get me to come in. But I didn't. And I just knew that if I had, I'd be worse off for it. It's called listening to that little voice inside, pondering, reasoning, and making a decision. Sure, they told me that story about "Frenchy" (can someone retell this one, I'm on a roll here) to try to bring me into line, but it didn't.

Sasha, do you belong to the Foundation?

Next, to everyone on the board. There is some greta stuff on the net, and I'll put some links on here when I can. You may be surprised at what you see regarding the Foundation, as well as TA and SA. Also, I caught Montel on TV a week or two ago, talking with people about their experiences with cultish groups. Has anyone considered Montel? Oprah's good, but you may want to consider getting it out there any way you can, in as many outlets as you can, its the only way to get the message into the greater consciousness of the public.

Another good place is KTUL, the ABC affiliate in Tulsa. They ran a few pieces on TA and they did a pretty good job. With the newsteam they have now, they'll do a dynamite job, I'm willing to bet. check out KTUL.COM, as well as the Tulsa Fox affiliate FOX23.COM.

Well, that does it for this post. I had to get that out there.

[skeptik (skeptik)]

ok that's www.ktul.com (http://www.ktul.com) and www.fox23.com (http://www.fox23.com)

[skeptik (skeptik)]

And I'm at wjaynes@hotmail.com

[marty_s (marty_s)]

this is to the creep using becca sue's name with the underscore. nobody wants to here what you have to say. if you have to try and use somebody else's id . be a man or a woman and put your own name. it doesn't matter if alamo goes to jail. he still is going to be judged by god for everything he has spewed in the name of the lord.that's what counts.

[helives (helives)]

A couple of great points to make when Alamo goes back to jail is that he will no longer be able to rape anymore under age foundation members daughters under the guise of the Lord telling them that God wants them to be the prophet's wive, concubine or whatever he calls them.

that right there is a great positive.

[twopilgrims (twopilgrims)]

Well I still was saved there and Washed in the Blood of Jesus. I heard many good sermons from Sue that really touched my heart. Powerful ones, you know nobodys perfect. we all are flesh. So Sue may not of been perfect . Of course not, she was just flesh and blood like the rest of the human race. It was us (the people) who made her to what she wasnt. But whats going on there now is crossing the line.

[summer4ever (summer4ever)]

I am not the first to accuse this man of sexual crimes and/or abuse. Nikki, Tami, and I and others are all saying the same thing...
This is a pattern.

Please note that over half of the women who are raped never step forward. I wonder how there are that have not stepped forward...

Please read the article below:

"Evangelist Tony Alamo's stepdaughter testified Tuesday that he raped her, and a former wife said he beat and sexually assaulted her, but a federal magistrate said that was not enough to keep Alamo behind bars pending trial on tax evasion charges and set bail at $50,000.

In an extraordinary hearing that lasted well into the night in U. S. District Court in Los Angeles, Alamo's stepdaughter made public for the first time her claim that he raped her in 1966, when she was a teen-ager.

The former wife testified that Alamo broke her nose in a fit of rage and routinely beat her and forced her into sex in 1986, when they were married.

Both women also testified that they feared Alamo still...

Alamo, 58, breathed a sigh of relief at Mahlum's ruling. Dressed in jail-issue blues, he rarely looked at either woman during their testimony...

Susan Alamo's daughter, Christhiaon Coie, 42, testified that her stepfather raped her in 1966, when she was 16. She had not seen him since leaving his house in 1971, she said..."

Article: Stepdaughter Testifies About Rape by Alamo. Los Angeles Times (1993, April 28)

Jody

[wilma (wilma)]

Interesting article, Jody.

And like Tony himself said in his testimony tract:

"I had absolutely no respect for women at all. Every one I encountered was worse than the one before. I actually hated them and decided for some reason I had been put here to punish them, because they were so evil."

It's obvious that Tony deems all women and children as "evil" and that it is his job to punish, beat, and rape them. He is such a pathetic sicko. Oh, he doesn't like men much either. I remember him standing in the church in Ft Smith on Windsor Drive and bragging to everyone and all the single brothers about his latest conquest....his newest virgin bride Lizzy Guitierrez. Bragging to all these single men who thought they were serving the Lord in Tony's cult, about his ninth polygamist conquest.

So he raped Susan Alamo's daughter back in 1966, and now is raping daughters of the Foundation members. Anyone else see a pattern here?????????

Glad to see you on the board, Carolyn. You were on the ridge in the 80's. Just wondering, did you ever see any kids or teachers being beaten??

Greetings to Hannah, JoJo Achey, Anthony Arauz and anyone else that's recently joined in on posting.

Isn't the world wide web a wonderful tool for getting out the TRUTH!!!!!!!!

Jesus came to set the captives FREE!!!

Susie G

[summer4ever (summer4ever)]

Here is another article people may find interesting:

Newspaper: The Commercial Appeal
Article: Alamo Found Guilty of Tax Evasion, Jailed
Date: 06/09/1994

"...U.S. Dist. Judge Jon McCalla ordered Alamo held without bond after a government witness testified that Alamo may have committed bigamy and statutory rape in the past 18 months."

"The Witness, IRS special agent David Kimbrough, quoting one of Alamo's ex-wives, said Alamo took as many as nine wives, mostly teen and some as young as 15 years old. Kimbrough said some of the teenage wives were forced into the church marriages by threats of being thrown out of the church. At least one woman told agents she was forced to have sex with Alamo."

"McCalla said anyone hearing Wednesday's testimony would be concerned due to "the very great control Mr. Alamo has over a great number of people."

"Justice Department attorney Christopher Belcher also pointed out that Alamo was a fugitive between mid-1989 and mid-1991, when he was wanted on several criminal charges. He still faces felony child abuse charges in California, where he is accused of ordering the beating of the child of a follower..."

"Kimbrough said members of Alamo's church told IRS agents that they feared for their own daughters because Alamo recently had begun marrying girls as young as 12, and even suggested that he would marry his own stepdaughter, who is 11..."

"For the jurors, Alamo's testimony worked against him, she said: “He said we were sitting in the building of the church of Satan," in reference to his theory of a one-world church..."

"Among the 40 witnesses called by the government were former followers and three of Alamo's ex-wives who detailed his extravagant spending for himself and his wives."

"An Arkansas banker testified that Alamo alone controlled more than 20 bank accounts in the name of various businesses under the Music Square Church."

"Alamo took the witness stand himself to deny that he had any income in the years in question. He said that as the pastor, he was supported by the church, and that everything he did was to further his ministry."

"He expounded on his theory of a conspiracy by the "Lucifer-worshipping" forces of the Vatican, IRS, FBI, Mafia and the new media, which he said was trying to create a "one-world" church/government to rule the world."

"He invoked the Fifth Amendment 10 times when Belcher asked him whether he had multiple wives, and he denied allegations that he beat children within the group..."

(Message edited by summer4ever on November 17, 2005)