Call Email All X ALAMOThee responce has been great

[horn (horn)]

Dear friends and former members,
First of all I am more than serious and we will save our loved ones. I am putting together a plan and will need all of your support. I will be including in my next post an email address for everyone to contact me. I am already working with one other who has the same determination as me. You may notice I am not answering any of the posts that reply to mine, this is intentional. We have one goal and that is to save our children and family and friends from the dispicable pervert,,,,,Tony the pervert Alamo....

[moonflower (moonflower)]

In light of everything that is being said on this message board, the Lord keeps bringing this scripture to my mind. (No, Tony didn’t remind me of this scripture like you are probably going to say. I talk to the Lord myself, and believe me, I’ve talked to him about you people.)

“Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for My sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in Heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you” (Matt. 5:11-12). “Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! For so did their fathers to the false prophets.”

You people will be some of the very ones that will be sending gifts to each other when the two witnesses are dead, lying in the streets for three days. You’ll be sending the gifts because they tormented you so much with the truth of the Word of God. I’m sure you would be so happy if something would happen to Pastor Alamo, but remember there’s nothing you can do until he has accomplished everything the Lord has for him to accomplish. Even then, remember, you won’t keep him down for long, just a few days. Then you know what happens next. Praise God for the victory we have in Jesus Christ! We win remember!

Misheal

[legion (legion)]

misheal are you allways going to be tonys pupet mostlikely tony will always be a spinles cowerd haveing stupid people talk and do his dirty work 4him grow some balls b@#ch

[helives (helives)]

We all need to remember how controlling tony is. How many adults stood by and watched the children being beat bloody? Some were in total agreeance with TA, others disagreed but still stood silent and watched. To this day some are still too afraid to talk about what happened.

I think we need to remember a big factor regarding the young girls who were made to be Tony's wives. That is they were taught all of their lives to idolize "papa Tony". We put Tony on a pedastal in our children's eyes. Always lifting Tony up in their eyes. To them it was always an honor to be called over to tony's house, how much more to be the chosen wife, concubine or whatever he calls them of the great world pastor, tony alamo. So these innocent babies grew up not knowing anything except what their own parents told them about Tony. Unfortunately we failed them miserably. These child wives are the victims of a perverted, self proclaimed world pastor, child abusing, rapist.

I will continue to pray for them. I know all of them and have always loved each one of them. The unspeakable deeds that have been done to them and the torments they have endured at the hand of Tony Alamo. I pray will end soon.

[jules11468 (jules11468)]

Sue, well said! I am glad to see an adult stand up and admit that they failed "the kids." Thank you! So many of the "kids" are still scarred and bitter because their own parents stood by and watched them get beat. Some of their own parents actually reported them to Tony! Good grief!

The parents of these children that have given their innocent virgin daughters to that scum should be arrested along with TA. I'm sorry, but they know better!

[moonflower (moonflower)]

Susie Gruesome, it amazes me that you think that you can so boldly order me to tell you about my personal life. My life is none of your business. How or where I choose to live my life has nothing to do with you. I am commanded not to cast my pearls before swine. It is between God and me. But for the sake of innocent people that read this message board, I will say that I have not had sex with Pastor Tony Alamo, nor am I married to him. Tony doesn’t have anything to do with me, with the exception of being my pastor. There are no children being abused, molested, married off, or made concubines in this church. That is another filthy lie.

Yes, Kenya Williams was put out of the church because he was committing fornication with several different women and carrying a gun to defend himself from a jealous boyfriend. And as all of you former members in this church know very well, the Lord instructed Pastor Alamo many years ago not to have any weapons in this church. (In all my life I have never so much as seen a gun.) So any person carrying a gun or anyone that commits fornication (or any other deliberate sin unto death) after they have been saved and filled with the baptism of the Holy Spirit (which gives them more than enough power to keep from sinning) is made to leave. The rules of this church are based very strictly on the Word of God. Paul instructed us in the way a church should be set up. Some of those instructions are as followes: “I write unto you not to company with fornicators” (I Cor. 5:9). “But I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator…with such an one no not to eat…Therefore put away from among yourself that wicked person” (I Cor. 5:11-13). I also am commanded “Be not unequally yoked with an unbeliever: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? (II Cor. 6:14).

My son and I are not being abused or beaten in any way (hit, clobbered, kicked, or whatever other words you choose to use) nor have we ever been. We are both very happy and want to be left alone. You say you love us, and all of you pretend you care so much, but what you are doing shows me differently. You know we are here because we want to be here. You know we could leave at any time we want. As a matter of fact, I happen to know personally that if I ever wanted to leave, Pastor Alamo would buy me a ticket to go anywhere I want in the US. He’s not begging to support us. I have seen him buy many a ticket for people who didn’t want to stay here anymore.

No one is telling you how to serve Satan so stop trying to tell us how to serve the Lord. We get our instructions from the Lord, not flesh. You are trying to get as many people riled up as you can to try and get Tony behind bars, a man who has done nothing but cared for our souls and put others first before himself, staying up hours into the night studying and writing literature, and bringing messages everyday to win souls and to have fresh manna to feed to his congregation every day. You want someone like this behind bars because you can’t stand the fact that he preaches the truth, because it makes you feel uncomfortable. The truth scares you because you know you are on your way to hell.

You all lived very happy lives in this ministry and many of you even wrote letters stating this very fact in your own words. You could have left at any time and chose not to. Most of you only left because you were made to leave because you would not live lives that lined up with the Word of God in every way. Some of you, even after you were put out still stood up for the church in court and elsewhere because you knew that Pastor Alamo was a man only interested in doing a work for the Lord and winning as many souls as he could before it is too late. But you have let Satan set himself up in the place where the Lord once lived. You now despise the things of the Lord that you once loved. Seven demons worse than your original demons have now moved in to your temple that was once the Lord’s temple, and you have become antichrist.

I believe that all of you people are being paid by the Vatican controlled government to do what you are doing so that if the government comes in and kills Pastor Alamo they can say it was you so that they won’t be blamed for it. FBI Agent John Gary Peeler stated that the government was trying to get him to assassinate Pastor Alamo, and you’re trying to give the Vatican controlled government the justification to do it. You know that they have murdered millions of people before and that’s why you are doing this. You are nothing but ponds for Satan and his Vatican.

Pastor Alamo’s messages are all over the world. The message is out and this is what makes you ungodly people so irate. The more God’s message gets out, the more infuriated Satan and his followers become. He knows that his time is short. If Pastor Alamo’s message was leading people to hell like the Catholic cult has been doing for centuries, you people wouldn’t have any problem because he’d be just like you. But it’s not until the Lord starts opening more doors to get the true, undiluted, uncompromising message out to more and more people right here at the end of time that Satan fights Pastor Alamo the hardest. You need to follow Gamaliel’s advice: “Take heed to yourselves what you intend to do [concerning this man]…Refrain from [him], and let [him] alone; for if [his] counsel or [his] work be of men, it will come to nought: But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God” (Acts 5:34-39).
Misheal

[moonflower (moonflower)]

Rebecca Levy says that I’m so weak that I couldn’t make it out there. I work in the office and I know how to type and take dictation and I could get a job almost anywhere. I am very capable. I’m not here because I think I can’t make it out there. I’m here because the Lord has shown me by many infallible proofs that this is where He wants me. If I were to listen to you and ignore God I would be cursed. As for your rambling Rebecca Levy, I never said I got into sin nor was I tempted to get into sin when I lived away from the church. I have too much fear of God to do that.

Leave it to you, Becca, to think that one of the things of the world that would be considered enjoyable would be going to the grocery store. If I wanted to I could go to the grocery store, and I do sometimes. Ask my sister, that was never something I enjoyed doing. It was always her and my mom that liked to shop. I thank God that I don’t have to go to grocery stores for my food. We have purchasing agents that do that for us and we get whatever we want. I don’t have to cook or wash dishes either because I work in the office. I count it a blessing.

As for the lie from Ian Mann that altar calls full of souls with tears streaming down there faces are a thing of the past for this church, that is hasn’t happened for 30 years. This is yet another easily proven lie. It’s been many years since Ian Mann has been in one of our services. Anyone coming to the services can see that he is a liar. There are van loads of guests coming to services every night at our different outposts, because our witnessers are out on the streets every day distributing the gospel literature, doing the same thing Tony and Sue started over forty years ago when the church first started. If you would read the web site you would see hundreds of thousands of letters from people that are giving their lives to Christ not only in the US but throughout the world. And still today, the front aisle of the churches are packed out with people who come forward to give their lives to the Lord. This ministry hasn’t dwindled down in the least bit. As a matter of fact, we are exploding all over the world. I read the letters that come in every day by the hundreds from people getting saved through the literature that the Lord has given Pastor Alamo and the daily messages they are hearing on the radio. I hear testimonies over the platform from people who given their lives to the Lord very recently after reading Pastor Alamo’s literature, testifying of how they were delivered from years of alcohol and drug abuse instantly after they came down to the altar after services and gave their lives to the Lord. They wouldn’t have repented and given their lives to the Lord if Pastor Alamo had preached the watered down, compromising messages you hear from most preachers today. They repented and gave their lives to God because they received the fear a person receives when they hear the true personality of the Lord, the fear that makes a man depart from evil. He’s not a pastor that just tells people sweet things to try to keep his congregation. As you know, Pastor Alamo has never done that. He doesn’t want anyone in his church that despises and rejects even one point in the Word of God. He’s preaches the truth of the Word of God in its entirety, and everything he preaches, he backs up with the Word of God. I don’t just listen to him and believe him. I search the scriptures as he has always instructed us to do, and I find him to be 100% right on. He never deviates from the Word of God.

Rebecca Levy, you are trying to portray me to be a liar in the incident with your dad. I don’t have a filthy brain to make something like that up. If I’m lying, may God curse me till the day I die, then when I die send my soul to the lowest and hottest part of the lake of fire. I’m not afraid to say this, because I’m not lying nor would I ever make something up, especially something of this caliber, about anyone. It happened. You asked why I never said anything to anyone. I wish I had. I lived with guilt for a long time but I was too ashamed to tell anyone. I still don’t like talking about it. During the time your dad was put out (which you stated in an earlier posting that he wasn’t put out, at least you admit that much), that was when I was very close to telling my mom, but I just couldn’t bring myself to do it, but I remember very distinctly sitting at the kitchen table with my mom, and I had been thinking about how bad it would be for you to have to go live with him (if you remember all of us children were praying very hard for you and I prayed probably more earnestly than them all because of what had happened). I wanted so badly to tell her, but I couldn’t bring myself to do it because I was too ashamed, so all I told her was that he would tickle me when I went to his house and it made me feel weird. I hadn’t really said enough, but I couldn’t bring myself to say anymore. I had so much guilt every time I thought about it, but was too ashamed to say anything, so I would just push it out of my brain and tried to forget it ever happened. You say your dad loved me as a daughter. Yes, he made me feel that he loved me as his daughter, that is how I ended up trusting him, but he betrayed my trust. I never went to your house again after that, even though he, many times, would ask me in front of you and other children why I wasn’t coming over anymore. Don’t you remember him asking me that? As for your demented accusations against Tony that I made it up because Tony wanted to hear some demented tale, may God curse you till the day you die and when you die, send your soul to the lowest and hottest part of hell then the lake of fire for an eternity for the false accusations you are bringing against a prophet of God. You had better be very careful the accusations you bring because you will be paying for them for an eternity.

As for your dad, anyone can see by reading his posts on this message board that his mind is infested with every kind of sinful, lustful, filthy thought. Nobody could speak the way he does and be decent. Any one reading this message board can see what kind of a person he is and what goes on in his brain. I’m sure he had done so much worse since he’s been away from this church. God has given him over to uncleanness through the sinful lusts of his own heart. Because he has changed the truth of God into a lie God has given him up unto vile affections and has given him over to a reprobate mind… (Rom. 1:24-28).

You say people were report crazy in the church. If you are honest you will admit that I wasn’t the kind of person who reported things, much to my shame. There were many things that went on that I should have reported and didn’t. And I never heard anyone reported for having bad breath. Who reported that? You? I’m sure it didn’t get very far. As far as throwing grapefruits, the only time that I ever heard of someone being reported for throwing a grapefruit was when someone threw a grapefruit out of the bus window and it hit a car behind the bus and cracked their windshield. (Jared took the blame for it but word was among the kids afterwards that he was just covering for Tommy Shoemaker.) You say shame was never a factor. Maybe it wasn’t for you. You did always seem like the kind of person who enjoyed seeing people getting in trouble, but I was never that type of person, which prevented me from reporting things I should have. You state that we were raised to stand up and speak the truth no matter what. Yes, this is absolutely right. Are you trying to infer that there is something wrong with that? Then out of the other side of your mouth you say Tony is teaching us to lie. Your speech betrays you. Your mind is obviously not stable. You quote scriptures and say that these were the things that were taught in the church. Yes, Tony teaches the entire Word of God. Are you saying that is evil? Is the Word of God evil to you? That is why people like you don’t belong here and will always be thrown out, is because you despise the Word of God. It’s not Tony you despise, it’s the Word of God that he preaches.
Misheal

[neasie (neasie)]

Rebecca

You know what your family means to me. I remember getting beat by my mother several times for having asthma. You and Julie know the details. Your Mom and Dad...BILL and INA...were the ONLY adults who cared about me. Your parents let me spend several weekends with you on the Ridge...and I will never forget the time your Dad walked in the bedroom and saw me sleeping sitting up. He felt so bad for me...he sat with us at one point and asked me to lay down to try to breathe. For the first time in my life I could. So you people want to bash Bill Levy...all I can say is WHERE THE HELL WERE YOU?!?!?

[moonflower (moonflower)]

My original post mysteriously disappeared, so I will re-post!
REBECCA LEVY,YOU TALK ABOUT ABUSE AND MOLESTATION. YOUR DAD WAS THE ONE THAT MOLESTED ME WHEN I WAS 9 OR 10 YEARS OLD. IT WAS WHEN I USED TO GO TO YOUR HOUSE, AND YOUR DAD WOULD LET US LAY IN HIS BED AND WATCH TV. HE WAITED TILL YOU WERE ASLEEP. THESE ARE THE ONLY TIMES I WAS EVERABUSED IN THIS CHURCH. I WAS SO HAPPY WHEN THE PASTOR PUT YOUR DAD OUT FOR STEALING FROM THE CHURCH AND BEING ABUSIVE TO THE CHILDREN. THEN WHEN HE STARTED TRYING TO TAKE YOU OUT OF THE CHURCH, AND WE WERE ALL PRAYING FOR YOU, I PRAYED ESPECIALLY HARD BECAUSEI COULDN'T IMAGINE WHAT HE WAS DOING TO YOU.
M}ISHEAL

[rattlesnake (rattlesnake)]

Moonflower: You may note that those who repeat their long posts over and over do get them deleted by the moderators and if you keep doing it you will get blocked like several other posters have done. So if you want to have the privilage of posting on the board, you may want to understand that we only need to read it once, not 20 times and you may get blocked.

[safenowinspite (safenowinspite)]

neasie, Ive also seen some very good things from Ina and Bill. I could never seem to get along with Ina, but when Joanna went into seisures for the first time, Ina was the first one to pray over her and keep going till she came around. I was terrified, I thought she was dead. Also Bill is a man who keeps his word and I do think he was quite honerable when I knew him. Mercy begets mercy and he sowed mercy toward me and I pray he gets that back in life,,I know he will. We will all have good and bad experiences with each other though. Its very good to sow mercy when you get a chance to reap it in time of need.
Carol Fryer

[skeptik (skeptik)]

Moonflower, really! Some of the stuff you spout!

And I quote:

I believe that all of you people are being paid by the Vatican controlled government to do what you are doing so that if the government comes in and kills Pastor Alamo they can say it was you so that they won’t be blamed for it. FBI Agent John Gary Peeler stated that the government was trying to get him to assassinate Pastor Alamo, and you’re trying to give the Vatican controlled government the justification to do it. You know that they have murdered millions of people before and that’s why you are doing this. You are nothing but ponds for Satan and his Vatican.

What do I, Skeptik, think?

I think the Federal Government typically has better things to do with itself (like an idiotic war in Iraq, or trying to make up for its blundering during Hurricane KAtrina, or the Valerie Plame scandal) to worry about some
5th rate lounge singer wannabe/con man evangelist. But if he flagrantly breaks the law in any way, expect some retribution from the law.

And as for Peeler, the jury's still out....

[helives (helives)]

ok false becca sue_ you are such a liar, at least he wouldn't be able to rape anymore little girls and he wouldn't be able to beat anymore children.

this is not the real beccasue- stop pretending to be her.

She must scare the heck out of the alamo camp - they sure go after beccasue.

[iasmann (iasmann)]

Moonflower,

Obviously Tony is dictating your every word. Nobody believes you're posting anything of your own free will. Sorry Tony, but nobody is fooled.

There are lots of people living in Ft. Smith and LA who confirm that there are no vanloads of guests. They go by both places frequently. The few who have been allowed to attend services said it's the same dead empty place it's been for years and years.

We all know what's going on with you and your child. His life is being destroyed by Tony and yours too. And you are going along with it. I know you're afraid of Tony. I was too for a long time. But when I saw my kid's life being destroyed I drew the line. I did not want to be accountable before God for that. Of course Tony will say I sent him to Iraq blah, blah, blah. He's a grown man and makes his own decisions. But for the record, I support the war in Iraq.

Scott is a good Christian man and has been in the hotspots during the heaviest action and God has protected him. Better for him to be in Iraq than at the Tony worship center. If he does get killed he'll be in heaven. That wouldn't be the case if he'd stayed at the Temple of Tony. He'd be bitter and angry and blaming God like so many of the other kids.

I know you'll get in trouble for what I'm saying and I'm sorry for that. If I were you I'd wait until the middle of the night or some other time when no one is around and call 911. Tell them what's going on and about the beatings your child gets. If you call from a land line they can trace it right to your location immediately. So if you only have a few seconds and hang up quickly the cops will still come.

Anyone there can do this. If you were under 18 when you first had sex with Tony he has broken the law and will be sent to prison. It doesn't matter if you consented because you thought God wanted it. There are no exceptions. If your parents consented it's still against the law. The only way parental consent is valid is if there is an actual certifiable marriage ceremony before witnesses who will sign a document verifying the marriage. Tony will tell you different but don't believe him, he's lying and he knows it. That's why he's making you all deny what's going on.m He's scared!

Once you are out, there are a lot of people who will help you and take you in. Even if your own parents are still at the foundation.

I know some people have this idea that Tony is the Lord's anointed and just as David wouldn't kill Saul they feel that they shouldn't do anything to Tony. But remember, David got as far away from Saul as he could and did not hesitate to publicly ridicule and expose Saul. Also Saul had not raped David or any of his daughters or family members. If he had, David as the avenger of blood would have been obligated to kill him.

Tony has crossed a line that Saul never crossed. I'm not saying to kill him but I am saying to turn him over to the law and let his actions speak for themselves. If what he is doing is so godly then surely God will defend him.

In John 18:20 Jesus said, "I spake openly to the world;... and in secret have I said nothing."

Don't you wonder why Tony does things in secret when Jesus did not.

The answer is simple. "For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved." Tony doesn't want his polygamy brought to light because it is evil not good.

"But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God" If polygamy (or concubines or whatever the current term is) were godly then he would want it to be brought to light so that people would see that his deeds were righteous.

Secret doctrines that the world won't understand are wrong. "For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God." I'm sure you've read this in Acts 20:27. Paul had no secret doctrines to be revealed only to the special few either.

Tony used to tell the story when he was a BC about how the Devil came and told him he was God's man of the hour and showed him something that was for him alone. He wasn't even to tell Susie. Remember that story. Of course it turned out that the secret thing was totally wrong and he admitted it.

Now he's on the same trip but his heart is so hard and his conscience so seered he'll never admit he's wrong. He's calls himself, "World Pastor" and has special privleges that no one else can have.

If he wasn't destroying so many lives and stumbling so many souls it would be a joke.

[helives (helives)]

Misheal

thank you for posting the post about Jared and the grapefruit being thrown out the bus window. Jared said from the very beginning that he didn't do it. Years latter Johnny Way and Sean Harris both told me the same thing, that it was Tommy Shoemaker who threw the grapefruit out the window.


I copied and pasted part of your post from Nov 11 at 10:43 am, since things have a way of being deleted off the message board.

moonflower wrote,

As far as throwing grapefruits, the only time that I ever heard of someone being reported for throwing a grapefruit was when someone threw a grapefruit out of the bus window and it hit a car behind the bus and cracked their windshield. (Jared took the blame for it but word was among the kids afterwards that he was just covering for Tommy Shoemaker).


I think this is the 1st time anyone inside the foundation admitted to the truth regarding the grapefruit incident.

That was the incident Jared got kicked out of the foundation over.

He didn't take the blame for this incident, he told papa Tony that he didn't throw the grapefruit out the window.

Tony stopped and prayed and responded back to Jared, "I just prayed and the Lord told me your are lying"
after hours of going back and forth, Tony said Jared could stay but had to take 70 swats with the board of education. (talk about being double minded, Lord said you have to leave, but now Tony almighty says take 70 swats and you can stay!

To this day I admire Jared for the stand he took, even grown men were afraid to make the stand this 14 year did against tony almighty.
He told Tony he wasn't taking swats for something he didn't do.
Of course Tony went into his tirad because Tony said the Lord told him Jared was lying. Jared was on a plane to La were Bob and I were sent to sell alamo designs by day and work in the office by night.


Tony Alamo kicked Jared out of the foundation over a false report. He wanted Bob and I to send Jared to live with one of Bob's sister. I wouldn't do that, separate our family again. I looked at Bob and we both said, that is it, we are leaving.
Tony begged us to stay, Tony said we were a blessing to the foundation. The next morning we picked Jared up at LAX, that was the day we left the foundation.


We were one of the lucky ones, we got $70.00 for the 3 of us to leave the foundation, verses people who were thrown out into the streets penniless.


So now 15+ years later the truth even comes out from the inside of the foundation, from one of Tony's wives or concubines.

Jared did not throw the grapefruit out the bus window! Which proves once again that Tony did not hear from the Lord that day.

Tony is a false prophet. The Lord did not tell Tony Jared was lying about the grapefruit.


Wouldn't you have to admit right here that Tony is for sure a false prophet. Tony has been a false prophet for a long time now. This incident happened in 1989.

I'm sure there have been hundreds of the same type senario involving Tony stating something the Lord told him, but really Tony was lying, the Lord didn't show him. False prophet that is what tony alamo is.
Misheal let the Lord take the blinders off your eyes.

One of my biggest struggles after I left the foundation was admitting to myself that Tony is not who I thought he was. He was wrong. it was hard for me to think those words, must less say them outloud. But after many years I came to the understanding who Tony Alamo is, and that is a false prophet. My Bible tells me not to follow a false prophet. The Lord made it plain and simple for me to know beyond any doubt that I could never go back to the Alamo foundation. He delivered me all the lies and confusion that go on there.

Thank you for recomfirming what the Lord showed me about Tony being a false prophet

Sue Balsley

[helives (helives)]

Yes I guess God's counsels overthrew Tony when he was inprisioned for lying on his tax return. Because the Lord had the power to deliver Tony right out of their hands or prison,like he did Peter and Paul.

But God didn't deliver Tony - he went to prison, caused the foundation people to lose 52 million dollars worth of property and assets they had worked so hard for.

So if Tony Almighty was so righteous how did the evil vatican or 1 world government win over him. the Lord didn't protect him or deliver him. He lost that one.

[alamosupporter (alamosupporter)]

the people that left after the raid were flakes and so are you. i went to the church from the literature i found after he was imprisoned. he was in jail for the first 2 years i was in the church. before i left to go to arkansas from NY my mother called up the police station in Ft. smith and some churches in the Ft. smith area and they said it was a cult, that there's slave labor, poor living conditions, mind control and when i got there none of those things were true. you see, the Lord showed me just by the literature that Tony knew God and that Tony was receiving fresh revelations from the Lord. I knew Tony was saved and that's more than I can say for all the pastors of all the other churches I went to. no church that I know of is preaching to be red hot against sin. tony's not sinning against God and I saw first hand baby christians coming in there by the dozens and growing through reading, prayer, tony's literature, and the tape messages. that's a supernatural thing thats happening. even in the book of John the pharisees tried to accuse Jesus for healing the blind man on the sabbath others said how could He perform miracles if Jesus was a sinner? and there was a division among them. you see the pharisee were jelous and they know they were rebuked by Jesus and they were too pround to receive the inscruction from the Lord. They said he was a sinner, a ba$tard, just a carpenters son, chief of the devils, etc. see, so I don't believe tony's a sinner because of the miracles that he does. I got to services in arkansas and felt the Holy Spirit so strong that tears were just streaming down my face like a river through almost the whole service. through the songs and testimonies especially. say what you want. say the lies that you want. the brothers and sisters were all very supernaturally called to that ministry. and God has opened their eyes to see. Tony's messages were and are still filled with power. he's stayed strong for about 40 years and regardless of what anyone says that he did wrong God still anoints him mightily to release the truth to the world. i'm my own person. i'm not Tony. I'm am writing this from my spirit because it's grieves me what I hear you people saying about him. and the dirty, filthy language that's used. i believe the true cult is you and factnet. in this country will still have a freedom to worship the way we want and it's protected under our second ammendment in the U.S. constitution. I came to the church and left and tony gave me 1,500.00 cash for I and my family to leave. He then shipped all my stuff back to me via moving truck to NJ. He didn't break up my family, he didnt leave me penniless. I was there for 6 years and never caught wind of any beatings. you know why? because they don't happen.
legally, none of you have a leg to stand on and will be torn apart on the stand by Tony's attornies and the charges will be reversed against you and you will suffer loss. it happens all the time.


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and iansmann-- you support the war in Iraq? you are a murderer too then. where in the Bible does Jesus support such a thing as that? it's been revealed that Bush and his administration totally lied to get support and go over there. i've seen graphic pictures of poor iraqi children still alive with limbs blown off and burn half to death. you support the war in Iraq? i now know what kind of person you are and God knows too. you are a supporter of death you filthy animal. and you say tonys a criminal and you support the iraqi war? your an abomination to God. i'm so glad you said those things because now I truly know in my heart that you're a fool.

[rattlesnake (rattlesnake)]

I am confused by those of you who support alamo, seriously!!! Polygomy is okay because it was practiced by King David and Solomon etc.....therefore it is of God, but fighting in a war is evil and wrong. As I recall King David and Solomon etc. fought many wars, so like.. hello... make up your minds already or is it just ok to back things up with bible stories at your convenience?

[holdol27 (holdol27)]

oh go rattlesnake! thats what i'm talking about!

[smitty (smitty)]

Posted on Sunday, November 13, 2005 - 1:24 pm:

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To Alamosupporter an/or any body else:

One of the things you keep bringing up is this idea of being "apart" from the world. It 's a great sound bite, and on the surface it's plausable to use it when you have a closed society like the Foundation. But WHAT, EXACTLY does it mean?

When I was there in the '80s we all spent full time on our jobs i.e. working on construction, cooking bussing or waiting at the restaurant, pumping gas,repairing cars and trucks, keeping the books, teaching children, printing ad infinitum. For what? Well, mostly to help support our other brothers and sisters who were also working the same kinds of jobs. Everything we did was to support ourselves. Only a small portion of what we created and /or earned went into any kind of outreach, and that was solely the printing and distribution of Tony's tracts (I used to help w/bookeeping so I know whereof I speak).What is so different about that from the rest of us Christians whom you class as "in the world" We work and save to provide for our families and to support the church or ministry of our choice, and do it I might add, more effciently than in the Centralized planning that goes on where you are.Being "apart" or "not of this world" involves our own walk with the Lord.
Again, in the economy of the Foundation, where is the ability to improve or grow the talents that the Lord gave us? Case in point: When Tony wanted us to set up the bookeeping with all the businesses, he hired a C.P.A. to give us a 2-day crash course on basic bookeeping. Our inexperience helped to create the bookeeping mess that the church found itself in when the Feds came knocking. Tony would have been far better served if he allowed people to go to college and get certified as C.P.A.'s instead of entrusting the churches finances to a big group of newbies, and then attacking us when the inevtible problems arose. The point is: centralized planning like that creates a huge amount of waste, and wasting the resources that God gave us is a sin. Tony set up that system which created waste, so Tony is was more responsible for it's failure since the whole system was created my himself. How does he deal with that? I bet all he did was blast and accuse everybody around him instead of taking the blame himself and seeking forgiveness.

Again, apart from the identifiable waste of our money and resources, there is the matter of wasting potential. There are and were so many people there who could have been a greater blessing to the church if they could have been able to develop their talents. Unfortunatly, because of the material waste there, there was little or no money to send people to school, or to allow them to train in their chosen profession. That waste of potential was also sinful. All of that so we could live in substandard housing, scrimp and economize on food and clothing, and then pat ourselves on the back because we were not "In the World".The main result was that we had developed a Spritual Pride and arrogance that we were somehow "better" than any other Christians. Were we? I can tell you that the church I go to now has fewer members than the foundation had then, yet we help support missionaries in Muslim portions of the world to set up churches and seminaries where new pastors, deacons and elders are being ordained to carry God's word into the very heart of darkness. We also send out our own members as missionaries to several other countries, and yes, we are constantly on the lookout for souls to wittness to in our own lives while we go about in "the world" Remember????"Go out into all the World"?

I don't say this to puff myself up,(since I'm also a sinner saved by grace) rather I'm telling you this to show how much you are in the dark because of your isolation. You don't think other churches are doing anything because you don't look. By the way, on my end, I hear about lots of ministries doing the Lords' work, but,... surprise...... the only time I hear about the Foundations work is only from the Foundation.

Alamosupporter...you are living in a dim cave and can olny see the few shadows on the wall that Tony points out. Get out into the light, and live for Him daily by your own choice instead of comfortably crusing along living by a set of rules set up by somebody else who has no accountability.

Sorry for going on for so long, but I had to get this off my chest.

[havebrainwilltravel (havebrainwilltravel)]

Smitty-
Though your post was admittedly long, I completely agree with what you said. It is also what I have been trying to say.
If I had stayed, I would still be Tony's wife, perhaps with a child or two, or not. I would help write tracts, I would sit around and get yelled at. I would not be allowed to leave the house very often. It would all depend on what I was "allowed" to do.
I don't answer to him anymore. I do what I know is right, and ask my family and friends for advice to help balance me out. I have gifts that were being squashed, wasted, every day I was there. I cannot believe it is any different for the other young women there.
Tami

[alamosupporter (alamosupporter)]

smitty, i've been holding down my job in a major new york newspaper for the last two years. bottom line smitty, have you ever been saved or had a born again experience? you claim to be a christian and know the bible but your thought patterns deny the Lord.

[rattlesnake (rattlesnake)]

alamo supporter... you don't even make any sense!!!! And who cares if you are holding down a job for the last two years at a major new york newspaper. You already stated that you do not live there anymore. Who cares.

Ever statement you make regarding others following Satan etc. and that they claim to be Christian but their thought patterns deny the Lord..... you must be reading totally different posts than the rest of us do. I see a lot more of Christian thoughts and behaviours coming from the ex-alamos than I do from your side. You people cannot answer any questions, you side step every issue and do nothing but slander and put down any one who does not support Tony.

And the issue on this board has nothing to do with a fight to see who is the better Christian. It is not a competition!!! God will judge that, not you.

The issue here is the allegations that Tony is guilty of child abuse, polygomy and raping and forcing the marriage of underage girls to either himself or other men in his group of followers.


Could you please try to stay on topic and address these issues. And if you are in the dark as to the actual facts of what goes on in Tony's house then admit it and let Tony fight his own battles.

[alamosupporter (alamosupporter)]

i wasn't talking to you rattlesnake. talking to you is a tremendous waste of time. i was talking to smitty so quit trying to bring me into your foolishness. i will NOT go around in circles with you at all. i'm ignoring you. he said i live in a cave and i answered him and said where i work CANT YOU READ OR FOLLOW THE MESSAGE BOARD????????

[wilma (wilma)]

TommyR ,
I posted the below post on Nov 12. I posted another post on the same day detailing the beatings that took place in the '80's. Could you please respond to both of my posts? I am trying to understand why someone who is such a strong supporter of Alamo's no longer abides there. Do you attend the Alamo services in NY or NJ?
Thank you,
Susie G


Posted on Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 9:18 pm: **
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TommyR,
So you left the Foundation? By choice or did Alamo kick you out? Do you mind if I ask you WHY? If you were kicked out, do you desire or plan to go back? You mention you have a family. If you left the Foundation with your family intact then you are one of the lucky ones. Many of us posting on this board know many families that were not so lucky.

If Tony ordered your child to be beaten would you tolerate that?

Did you read what Jody Fryer, Tami Sprinkle, Cindi Jo, Piper or Nikki Farr wrote? Tony has many women and underage girls living in his house and according to witnesses they are his sex partners. If you have a daughter would you want her living in Alamo's house?

Please seriously consider the things I have written.

Susie G

[ivy (ivy)]

Rattlesnake,
Seriously, to compare the wars written in the Bible to a war started by the people now???? Completely different. No one said that war is wrong. Christians are at war everyday w/Satan!!! That is why God commands us to keep on our armour.
And as for your absurd comment about the ex-members showing how Christian they are YOU REALLY NEED TO PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT YOU READ!!!! Since when is drug use, and constant profanity CHRISTIAN? Alamosupporter is right, it is a total waste of time to even answer you. You made up your mind long ago not to consider our side. I am not about to defend a child abuser/molestor/pervert. You are simply a busy body and a coward. Along with your friend skeptik.

[jules11468 (jules11468)]

Ivy said "You are simply a busy
body and a coward. Along with your friend skeptik."

Once again they revert to name-calling, instead of just answering simple questions. You say you are not about to defend a child abuser/molestor/pervert? Could have fooled me!

[holdol27 (holdol27)]

wars now and wars in bible..........the same. we are defending our freedom! do u people think king david was so powerful and wealthy because he sat around and picked his nose? he went to war!

[rattlesnake (rattlesnake)]

Ivy, maybe you should read, where did I say that. I am not here to judge who is a christian and who is not. That is between each individual and God. My point is that perhaps you all should stop focusing on making that judgement and name-calling etc. because you supporters of Tony do naught but judge and slander, etc.

What you do not do is answer any questions or face up to the facts. If you don't know then just be honest and admit it. But to try to distract or change the subject by getting nasty is just plain ignorance.

Is that really too much to ask?

For the record, Ivy, I have tried to consider your side, but any time any of you are addressed or asked for information, you people do nothing but get nasty and refuse to answer. Kind of hard to compare that to others who are first hand witnesses to the abuse that you say you do not support.

[ivy (ivy)]

I am not getting nasty here. Read the posts from someone like double J...and many others. That is nasty and uncalled for. I have repeatedly said... I report exactly what I have experienced. I don't support abuse. From what I remember... I was a small child... I saw a lot of these people happy. You do not know these people on a personal level. you are on a message board.. I can type a lot of things too... and if I hated Tony or anyone else and IF I was the type to be slanderous... then I am sure I could think of some juicy stuff too... THAT WILL NOT HAPPEN. Because I have been treated so good in the church. The people there are my family and I love them very much.

[smitty (smitty)]

Alamosupporter: Glad to hear you're holding down a job. What's with the "thought patterns" stuff. As I recall, mind-reading wasn't one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit. I realy don't care if you think I'm saved or not. Jesus knows.

Maybe things have changed a bit since I was there, but someone working on the "outside" by themselves just wasn't done.I can only speak to the things I have personaly seen, heard and expereienced. If you are outside then you can't know what goes on close to Tony on a regular basis.
On another note...The parable of the ten virgins was about ten VIRGINS not brides. Unless of course you're an expert on 1st. century Jewish Ceremonies. If so then please cite your refrences. Otherwise, you have failed to make any connection with that parable and the sanctioning of Polygamy.
Back to you.If you are living and working on the outside, then you're as much "in the world" as me.

[smitty (smitty)]

Sorry, I hadn't finished.I'm glad you're working,but are you doing the best you can be? Have you thought about going back to school and improving or adding to your skills? That's one of the things that I enjoy the most now that I'm out. All I ever was there was a draftsman that played at architecture. Now I'm a licensed Architect, member of the Institue for Classic Architecture and making a six-figure income.

And like I've always said.......
LIVING WELL <u>IS</u> THE BEST REVENGEhttp://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/lol.gif

[skeptik (skeptik)]

To Ivy:
Busybody? No, I'm someone who'd visited the Foundation and saw that it not only left much to be desired, but didn't fall for the recruiting tactics and evangelical peer-pressure some of your compatriots and your pastor liked using. And if I have something to share in an open form and I feel it is relevant, you'd best believe that I will do just that!

Coward? I show up here and I'm willing to put it in writing; I leave my email addy

wjaynes@hotmail.com

here for those who want to discuss things more privately, regardless of what side they are on. I can publicly ask and answer tough questions for the entire world to see. Now,let's see you do that.

[forestbrain (forestbrain)]

holdol, David was righteous and led by God (this is concerning the wars), America sure ain't righteous, and she sure isn't led by God.

I do not support war. I hold a very high value on human life. Now here's what should be done. Two dudes, one from each side, should duke it out with their fists. Whoever lasts the longest, wins! wooo, no death. It's not realistic, I know, but it seems better than slaughtering people, and innocent civilians. War, I wish it never were. I'm not a peace preacher, because I know countries will always be at odds with eachother. Life is just sad. War is sad, it's cruel.

[helives (helives)]

Go discuss your points on a war board.

This board is about Tony Alamo beating children and taking under age virgin daughters from his congregation to be his wife and also his polygamy.

No offense intended, if you want to tell about the beatings you saw or your sisters saw while living in the foundation please do, but go to the appropriate board for any other topic.

This board is about Tony Alamo

thank you
sue balsley

[alamosupporter (alamosupporter)]

thought patterns have nothing to do with mind reading, it's simply the way you think. being in the world and part of the world are 2 different things. i don't go to movies, amusement parks, rock concerts, vacations and all things like that. we home school our children and will never encourage them to go to any satanic college or seminary that preaches false doctrine. i believe we are in the very last days and that Jesus is coming back to earth very soon. thats how i live my life. in honesty, in honest reporting, in sincerity, not in hypocracy. everyone at work knows I'm 100% honest and truthful. i live like this because I fear God and I know God is going to judge me according to His Word. and I don't appreciate that answer regarding the 10 virgins. it was a seedy way to take on that scripture. it's obvious what happened there and your trying to make it obscure. 5 virgins went in to one bridegroom. that's how simple it is. this is in answer to smitty because he has really taken on the idea that its unlawful to forsake the things of the world. tonys church is doing a good work. they not only get literature out there they bring truck loads of supplys to many different missions and ministries. the Lord has really blessed them with the means to do this and they will be rewarded for it. also they get bibles by the boatload to people for free all over the world and have sent out missionarys to places as well like India. but they're sending out the real gospel message not the God is love and no wrath message. the God is love message would never have got me to repent I was shown the reality of hell and that I was going there for my sin, thats what got me to repent. thats a message I have yet to see anybody bring except for Tony and you know what? that's the real message. repent or perish.

[holdol27 (holdol27)]

forest- this board is not about your naive opinion of war so this will be the last time i speak of war k.......just remember all the liberties and freedoms you have in this country wouldn't be if it weren't for the sacrifice of lives, put your sadness aside for a moment and research how much more sad you could be if you were born into some third world country you really should be more grateful for your freedoms than u are!

[forestbrain (forestbrain)]

Goodbye.

(Message edited by forestbrain on November 14, 2005)

[smitty (smitty)]

Geeze Alamosupporter why so tense? Who said anything about rock concerts or amusement parks? I wasn't asking you to go to a seminary, only consider this: you wouldn't have had that great job at your major newspaper if it haddn't been for educated men like Gutenberg who created moveable type, men like Watt who invented the reciprocating steam engine that made high speed presses possible (and also the modern Major Eastern Newspaper)Oh yeah, aren't they the ones peddling all the lies from the Vatican to the American People? anyways, back to my rant...If it wasn't for the UNIVERSITY TRAINED engineers and scientists that created computers and the internet and videocams ect. ect. YOU wouldn't have your job. If you are as in earnest as you say, why don't you go live with the same technology as the Amish? It was all devised by people trained in devilish, satanic universitieshttp://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/lol.gif

[smitty (smitty)]

Alamosupporter: The Bible, as you have been interpreting it, would also allow Slavery.Many Godly men in the O.T had slaves and in the N.T. Paul tells owners to be kind to their servants (Notice he doesn't say free them, just be kind...). So, next time you see T.A. howzabout you ask him what the going prices are down there in the Deep South?

[smitty (smitty)]

Oh Yeah... Just to clairify my own position on the "Peculiar Institution" I am an Abolitionist, Black Republican, Union-loving Yankee.... Go Sherman!!!!

[alamosupporter (alamosupporter)]

slavery? you mean a servant? or slave. are you talking about the picture of slaves being whipped or mistreated? well, some slaves enjoyed being slaves. you should read the law of Moses again about how some slaves chose to stay with their masters. and the laws governing how they were to be treated. some people would have starved to death if they were'nt a slave. there's nothing wrong with having fulltime servants. man, your really lost. who cares? your mind is on the wrong stuff man. here's some literature written by a messianic Jew regarding ancient weddings. http://www.ldolphin.org/risk/ult.shtml

[anonymous2 (anonymous2)]

can't you alamo supporters use another scripture to back up poligamy? it's so obvious that one is being mis inturpreted. please try to come up with another one, at least one k. i guess by that same scripture TA gets to have more than one bed partner at a time huh? YOU TA are a sick man!

[smitty (smitty)]

I'm lost????? You're the one who supports Slavery and Polygamy!!! I was trying to be facetious about the "peculiar institution" but you just flat amazed me!!!! I tried the link. Very Good, and very illuminating as well........but no reference to multiple wives at the same time....and no connection between being one of the ten virgins and being the bride. BTW If multiple wives are sactioned, why is Christ married to just ONE church, why not to each indvidual congergation?

Oh yeah.....just in case you missed it............<font color="ff0000"><u>THE NORTH WON</u></font>

[twopilgrims (twopilgrims)]

some people are slow in receiving the truth

[princess_crow (princess_crow)]

Moonflower - TA - whoever you are, I am NOT going to argue with you, and I will not get into this again - so respond with what you want, or simply ignore - but I will not discuss this any further. I knew Kenya more than most - we were extremely close in the church - despite the segregation rule of boys and girls. Despite what Tony wanted and tried to force us to believe, you can be just friends with the oppposite sex. I do know for a fact Kenya loved you very much - and you made him extremely happy! I am so sorry you have been made to believe a lie. I know he would never do anything to hurt you or his son! I hope you ARE okay and doing good - I tend to disagree with that, but that is your life, unfortunately you will never know how good life really can be or how much more God truly will bless you, until you are out of the foundation! You are in my thoughts and prayers...