BORN ANDOR RAISED AT THE ALAMO FOUNDATION

[wallflower777 (wallflower777)]

Hi, Jeanne, I miss you and my sisters soooooooooo much. Please tell them I think of them daily.

Lori

[nikkifarr (nikkifarr)]

Jeanne, I wish so badly it was really you that I was conversing with but I know I'm not. I know I'm just talking to Tony and I do know you I know you very well. Do you or Lizzie remember "GFN" or "GFS". I love you Jeanne, I miss you Jeanne. I'd do anything to get you out of there and make you a truly "happy" person.

[helives (helives)]

Hi Jeannie

Is this really you? This is Sue Balsley

I’ve missed you so much – do you remember “Bo Jive” I was your 5 th grade teacher, You kids in the 5th grade were so adorable and wonderful students. It was a pleasure to teach you school.

Glad to hear you are alive and well. I thank God you got on here!

At least I know you can testify about the beatings over at papa Tony’s spec house.
We all saw each other at the spec house when all the reports on the school kids went down.
Now you can set the record straight because you and your mom and me any my kids and all the other kids were there watching in horror as tony said to the brothers how many swats to administer to the kids getting beat with the board of education.

I know how much you loved me - and if any other thing comes back - like railings I will know for sure that this is either not you, or you are typing the response, but someone is standing there telling you what to type

[christophr19 (christophr19)]

To Jeannette, I mean....tony.
How the HO are you? there you go again, namecallin' and mudslingin'. How very Christlike of you.....much SARCASM directed your way. tony, you are and always were a lazy, shiftless, greedy, power-hungry, coward, opposite of Christ-like example, who never believed that God could and would take care of your every need. So, you listened to the voice at your spiritual ear that promised you wealth, power, and poo'tang! How easily you were swayed, and you know you got jipped, right?
Lets look at the facts: How much money did you actually get to keep?....What kind of power is it when you control a bunch of pacifistic, caring, benevolent, and trusting bunch of Jesus Freaks?(I mean that in the nicest way possible, fellow Jesus Freaks)who were out to change the world through preaching repentance and peace. Yeah, you really were powerfulhttp://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif....and as for the young wu-tang, well how is your old man package workin' for ya, eh? Bet that voice promised you a lot that you can't really act upon. That might be why you have now transitioned up to the hard stuff, ie...brutality, depravity, snuff, lasciviousness, etc....Shall I continue, oh Wee willy winky no work so good?
To the real Jeanette, if you actually ever read this. I fully realize that I was hopelessly infatuated with you as a kid, but come on! That is what part of being a kid is about. How many here had crushes that never panned out?
But, I do pray for you when I do remember you, that God will bless you and deliver you from the hand of the enemy, and the destroyer.
Also, Your Mom, Dad, little Joey (well, big joey now), vinnie, Richard, Marcella (she is as beautiful as you) love you, and will help you when you have had enough. Hell, everyone of us here will help you. That is what the true body of Christ is all about.
That fact that you call me names does not affect me. Do you really think that I am hurt by your namecalling? Yeah, I was a HUGE nerd, and I have been called some outragous(and sometimes duly so)and creative names in my 28 years. You know what I do when someone is brave enough to say it to my face? I laugh. I find it kind of funny. After all, so what? That is the best you got? You can't really answer any question, or challenge; so you call names? so what else you got? Sissy, queer, weirdo, heretic, spaz, cultist(that one was partially true, while I was at your cult), liar, dreamer, bigmouth, poor, wiseass, Cur(that one comes from you tony), goody 2 shoes, tattletale, stoner, maverick, space-cadet, ....I could go on...really...but you all get the point. What else you got? tony, you want to name call? You...Bigamest, unholy & unscriptural polygamist, pedophile, liar, abuser of women, children, and animals, somebodies HO(in prison), false prophet, seared conscience havin', no respect gettin', certainly not hearing from God, Wannabe, small time, small penis havin', BEACTH! kiss my grits~
you will pay for everything you are doing. And your punishment will be like unto the destruction of Sodom and Gommorrah.

[smitty (smitty)]

christopher: Just thinking about Tony kinda puts a whole new twist on the old hymn "God Will <u>Take Care</u> of You"!http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gifPlease say hi to your Mom and Dad for me. I have always thought the world of the two of them.

Tom Smith

[havebrainwilltravel (havebrainwilltravel)]

Oh my God. Jeanne. My friend. If that is you, I'm so sorry that you are still there. I am sick, shaking, praying.... You did have sex with Tony Alamo. I know you did. We talked about it. Sure he tried to stop us from doing it... Tony if you lay a hand on her for this, we are going to hear about it.
I was where you are once. I remember sitting on the steps in Colorado with Lizzy and telling her, "I know something is happening to me, and I want you more than anything, to remember me. I love you. I always will." It's still true. I love you girls so much. I know there is a lot to forgive in me, but truly, I have always loved you. Not a day in my life has gone by that I haven't prayed, loved, missed every one of you, no matter how mad we ever were at each other.
Every single one of you girls is smart, beautiful and you deserve more than he can give you. This is not about sex. This is not about God. Tony is not GOd. Please, please understand this. I have to go I am weaping. My Jeanne. I named my dolls after you because you were so beautiful to me... you were such a good friend, a good girl.
Don't let him swallow you up.
I miss you so much.

[ridge_kid (ridge_kid)]

Hi, I am not going to identify myself because I have loved ones who are still members. I was just wondering if anyone knows what happened to Gina, Bobbie Jo, or Sean.

[forestbrain (forestbrain)]

Well, if that is Jeanie, she's brainwashed.

[jewels81475 (jewels81475)]

Ridge_Kid, this is Julie Armstrong, I dunno if you remember me or not, if you want to personally e-mail me jewels81475@yahoo.com your welcome to. I'd like to know who you are, you asked about Bobbi Jo..She married Jamie Willis a few years ago and they are very happy and successful. If you want to contact me and give me some contact info I can get in touch with her and give it to her. By the way you don't know how to get in touch with Justin Miller do you? I lost contact about thirteen years ago and I would really love to hear from him. Please contact me soon. Julie Armstrong.

[holdol27 (holdol27)]

Hey everyone this is Holly........you all are not talking to Jeanie, she NEVER spelled her name (Jeanne} and she would never say the things about Chris that this liar is saying. Come on we all know she is not allowed to post anything on the internet. Hey whoever you are under this name why don't you prove to me you're not a fake in a way that only Jeanette could? lol give me a break!

[christophr19 (christophr19)]

Thanx Cuz,
also did you notice how "she" said "CHRISTOPHER CURRY NEVER GOT KICKED OUT OVER ASKING FOR ME"
What women you know, would refer to herself like property? I never asked for Jeanie. Hell, I never even got as far into the conversation to even approach the topic of marriage. tony started yelling and namecalling me as soon as I mentioned her name, he was bored but listening as I started to tell him I had a dream, but as soon as he heard that it was about her...he went into bully mode. tony believes in women as property, which is why he has to lie, steal, cheat, divide, and coerce to get laid....yeah, that is all it is about for tony. When can he next get away with adding another young morsel to his collection.
To the real Jeanie, Lizzy, Micheal, lydia, Angel, and to the rest I don't know about yet. I am sorry for any beatings you may receive because tony's paranoia may prompt him that you all are guilty of...well, he will probably think of something and then add a bunch of scriptures that don't really add up, but you all will have to listen to him pontificate for a loooong time. As You know, tony is Longwinded (Mom, you were right even back then, he is a windbag).
We are praying for all of you!
tony, come on! I dare you to show them this post of mine.
We know that God will deliver you soon from tony's clutches, because We are gathered(spiritually) in prayer; and God answers the prayers of the faithfull believers. Keep on praying girls, you will be out soon.
To all, notice how all these girls who have no contact really, with the outside world are suddenly allowed to get on the internet and defend tony? and they are mostly if not all from the same ISP. tony, when you post as one of these girls, do you dress up like them to get into character? Just curious. And do you have the caps on because you are screaming, or because you can't see? You may own their bodies, you sick cluck, but you will never own their souls.
We must saying something these defenders of tony don't want anyone to know about, and if it was really malicious lies, and not true....then why are they soo defensive. He who crieth innocense the loudest, is usually guilty.
one more thing,
I posed a question to tony followers: titty5, flypoop, poison ivy. Why haven't you answered it? It was a yes or no question......not that hard. Will you stake all of your statements on you eternal soul, and say as God, heaven, and all eternity, is your witness. That tony did not do the things he is accused of? Namely: beating, or ordering it, children and women.
tony does not have multiple sex partners.
tony does not change doctrine to fis his beliefs.
those will do for now. Whats the matter? cant do it? Yes or No................

[holdol27 (holdol27)]

hey chris............whoever these people r from the same ip address are real morons. lol they actually think they can fool us into thinking thats jeanie they should get their info straight before opening their dumbass mouths and try backtracking into the real past and remember who the heck we are! lol its amusing to say the least.

[tlthe5th (tlthe5th)]

Posted From: 70.178.68.34 these aren't ip addresses. if you investigate further you'll see that people who are on completely different sides sometimes come up with these same numbers. i don't know what they are. ask factnet.

[tlthe5th (tlthe5th)]

mine changes several times and i'm on the same computer. explain that.

[holdol27 (holdol27)]

They are IP addresses. If you type them into WHOIS you will get the server. The names in question come up as AOL (from arkiebrian).

[holdol27 (holdol27)]

You do not have a static IP address unless you pay for it. Most people have a random IP address. It is assigned to you by your server's ISP.

BTW-we use a proxy server, our "true" IP is blocked.

[tlthe5th (tlthe5th)]

so why are you saying people are writing from the ip addresses and that they're morons? like i've said i have had the same number as people on this board who i dont even know.

[ridge_kid (ridge_kid)]

5th, Who has the same IP address as you that you do not know? I searched this whole thread and you are the only one with the ip 64.12.116.200 so it sounds like Holly knows what she is talking about.


Julie, I do remember you. Thank you for your information, I am sorry I do not have any info on Justin.

Thanks again

[tlthe5th (tlthe5th)]

entire thread? what these few posts? go to other threads and look. i've had a few different IP's and some are the same as people that I don't know.

[rattlesnake (rattlesnake)]

He has a point: 205.188.117.13 has been shared by mylilboynme4ever, nfly, irish_jedi, jules11468, beccasue1975 and tlthe5th and that is only going halfway down the main thread. 64.12.117.12 has also been shared by several of them. So, he is correct on this one.

[holdol27 (holdol27)]

The IP address you see here is not your individual PC's IP address. It is the IP address of the ISP server giving you access to the Internet.

I've looked up nfly's IP address and it comes up as an AOL server. Let me guess, the names mentioned all use AOL for their Internet access.

Go here to look up IP addresses: http://psacake.com/web/eg.asp

[alamosupporter (alamosupporter)]

why would it be hard to believe that several people have AOL? you are speculating and not well.
i happen to know that several of us by chance have AOL as an internet provider.

[starksk (starksk)]

Hey ridge_kid!
Just wondering who you are? You asked about Gina, Bobbi and Sean. I have no idea where Gina is but Bobbi and I talk often and like Julie said she is doing great. I hear Sean is very good also. Were you in our class?? This is Kim Gamez well not Gamez anymore. Anyway I'm curious. If you want to email me please do so at spanish_kat@yahoo.com Obviously we were all friends. I hope you are well whoever you are.

[rattlesnake (rattlesnake)]

That is most likely the case and I believe did you not explain that earlier, holdol27, about the AOL server. However, alamosupporter, that does not mean that some of you alamo supporters are not sharing a computer, as a matter of a fact some have admitted to it. It is really not important anyhow, just another distraction.

[jeanne (jeanne)]

I was expecting you all to come off with a bunch of bologna of how,this isn't the real Jeanne.It's Tony standing over me,making me write all these truths,and everything I have said is the truth.In reality, I don't have to answer to any of you.My life and what I do is none of your disgruntled people's concern.But I feel the need,on my own,to make sure the real truth is told and that you don't destroy innocent souls who happen on this disgusting message board.And no, I am in no way a zombie or as sheltered as you want to make people believe.I have access to and can get on the internet anytime I want to..

[helives (helives)]

I feel sorry for all you who we know have been Tony's wives. At least admit the truth to yourself.

[holdol27 (holdol27)]

(jeanne}-- i simply refuse to believe that the real jeanette marie orlando would have nothing to say to me after all these years, that the first 12 years of your life knowing me means nothing to you. so please save your own soul whoever u are and quit lying.

[holdol27 (holdol27)]

if u love speaking the truth so much here is my email so u can let me know in private whether or not u are who u say u r...........holly_elmore@hotmail.com.........prove it!

[jeanne (jeanne)]

Holly,I am really surprised with you.You obviously don't know me like you think you do.The last time we saw each other we were 14 years old at the foot wash service in Los Angeles.We have obviously chosen different paths.Remember when I lived with your family while my parents were out of town and the time your mom was packing our lunches and she put our cookies in what we thought were pretty pink pouches but really didn't know what they were until we got older and found out and she told us not to pull them out in front of anyone?And the time were laughing so hard and your mom would tell us,"girls, don't be foolish"and you were trying to help me get up on the bunk bed your dad put in your room for us while I was staying there and you let go of me and I fell on your doll house and broke it?Holly,this is the Jeanne you used to know.And by the way,I have always spelled my name(Jeanne).Yes,I used to like to go by Jeanette but now I like Jeanne better.Ask even Lori and Nikki Farr.I've gone by Jeanne for a long time now.That is really what my dad wanted to name me,not Jeanette,but my mom wanted it to be proper on the birth certificate and not use a nick-name on it.Now,only I,my dad,mom,brothers,and sister would know this.

[holdol27 (holdol27)]

I had my 14th b-day in las vegas first of all never washed anyones feet in LA. as for some "pink pouches" i haven't a clue what you are talking about! it would be just like u to finally contact me like this....so impersonal........so cold. you always wanted to be better than me and i guess marrying tony somehow made you feel special in that sick world u call your life. you know you broke your parents heart? i saw your mother here in ft.smith a few years ago, her eyes said it all. she could barely let go of me. i gave her a pic of us that she didn't have hoping to give her some solace.the girl i knew for the first 12 years of my life day in and day out........shes gone.

Holly

[jeanne (jeanne)]

Dad amd Mom, if you read this, remember the maple wood key chain you bought me?(Only if I got the one that said Jeanne on it,not Jeanette)I still have it.This is really me.And both of you know what lies these people are telling.I pray none of my family gets involved with this and stays as far away from you people as possible.
Holly,I can"t believe what you have become.
The way you talk is not the Holly I knew.Tony has never done anything to you but pay for you to be
born and raised with a very good and happy childhood.You were one of the most pampered children on that ridge.You have absolutely nothing to be disgruntled about and you know it.Also,the part about saying what I said about Christopher, yes, I most certainly would talk like that and I did.He is trying to portray to you all he was put out over asking for my hand or trying to and that he was some kind of rival.He is a liar.Like I said before, I would have never accepted it anyway (and Holly,you know this very good and well),and there was never anyone to be a rival to.

[jeanne (jeanne)]

And to answer Mike Borek:I was not and am not married.I did not and do not live with Pastor Alamo.I work in the church office and that is it.And much to you wicked people's dismay and wanting to hear some real juicy lies,Pastor Tony Alamo has never hit me.
You know,we're not the ones slinging mud.From everything I've read on here you people are.I just happened on this site and couldn't believe the lies the people are telling.Even Mike Borek
said to me,"If you can tell me that you were never married to Tony, I will believe you." And I am saying I was not and am not and they are all false.I also know Mike Borek left his wife and children and went with another man's wife.I do know he was also after my own mother.Why should I try to forget these things about you when they are true?You are physically a very sick man and
you really need to repent before it's too late and get off this horrible message board.I think it is the Lord trying to strip you down to cause you to repent.

[beccasue1975 (beccasue1975)]

JEANETTE,
THE ONLY PERSON STRIPPING PEOPLE DOWN IS TONY... HE STRIPS HIS WOMEN AND LITTLE GIRLS DOWN BEFORE HE FORNICATES WITH THEM.

YOU SHOULD STOP A MINUTE AND THINK ABOUT WHAT TONY HAS TAUGHT YOU WILL HAPPEN TO LIARS...

I HAVE PHOTOGRAPHS OF YOU KISSING TONY ALAMO WITH OTHER WIVES! YOU CANNOT DENY THAT YOU LIVED IN TONY'S HOUSE AND THAT HE BEAT YOU AND THAT HE HAS FORNICATED WITH YOU MULTIPLE TIMES. TOO MANY PEOPLE SAW YOU ALL BRUISED AND BLOODIED FROM HIS FISTS AND TOO MANY PEOPLE KNOW FOR A FACT THAT YOU WERE A LITTLE GIRL WHEN TONY TOOK YOU AND MADE YOU HIS WOMAN!

OH... AND WE ALL KNOW THAT LIZZY WHO WAS A LITTLE CHILD WHEN TONY TOOK HER IS NOW THE PROUD MOTHER OF TONY ALAMO'S DAUGHTER. I'M SURE SHE WILL BE ON SOON TO DENY HER DAUGHTER SOOON TOO..... BUNCH OF LIARS.

ENOUGH LYING...

YOU WOMEN ARE MAKING TONY LOOK SO BAD... IT IS APPARENT YOU ARE ALL LYING FOR "THE PROPHET OF GOD"... WOW... NEVER HEARD OF A PROPHET OF GOD WHO HAD TO LIE TO DEFFEND HIMSELF... NORMALLY IT IS GOD WHO DEFFENDS HIS PROPHETS! FOOD FOR THOUGHT!

[beccasue1975 (beccasue1975)]

LIES.... ALL LIES....

SINCE WHEN IS IT OKAY TO LIE THIS WAY???

jeanne (jeanne)
New member
Username: jeanne

Post Number: 5
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 64.12.116.200
Posted on Sunday, October 30, 2005 - 11:15 pm:

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And to answer Mike Borek:I was not and am not married.I did not and do not live with Pastor Alamo.I work in the church office and that is it.

[christophr19 (christophr19)]

Just happened on this site, eh?
Well, thats funny. cause most of us were told by someone else about it, as it is an out of the way spot on the net. And if you all really don't want to talk to us reprobates....just leave, we didn't ask you all here, you all showed up and started calling us liars, and telling us how much of a waste of your time we are. Well, hello. You all are still here.....wasting your time, right? BTW, I still have not got an answer from any of you denfenders of the turdblossom. Yes or No....and don't act like you don't know what I am talking about. You make us more correct the longer you refuse to answer it.......Remember, God is always recording.

[holdol27 (holdol27)]

i was pampered? i never saw my parents jeanette! if u can remember i was always at your house or the currys! you were the spoiled brat always able to be with your mother because she was a "babysitter". Back when the ridge was raided and we were all dispursed here in ft.smith i saw you a few times at the apartment my parents got but if you want to know the real reason why my dad decided to up and move to vegas as far away from tony as he could its because tony accused him of telling the irs info that lead to the raid in the first place! thats when my parents realized tony alamo was a false prophet. to this day my parents still read and pray daily and have a great devotion and love for God. Jeanette my dad had no reason to lie and make up some story about tony, these are the facts........tony alamo is a liar............to say the least. i wish we never had this conversation, my memory of you was so much better than reality. i will continue though to pray for you and think of you often.

holly

[ivy (ivy)]

Holly, You were at the footwash in L.A. maybe you didn't wash feet but you were there. I saw a picture of you and Jody and another girl there at the church in Saugas, CA. so if the raid was in 1991 and your parents "decided that Tony was a false prophet" and the footwash was in 1993 then your parents weren't too angry with Tony. If so then why did they take you to the footwash? The truth is they just decided to join the Sue Groulx backslider cult.

[holdol27 (holdol27)]

jeannette- who cares whether you were going to accept an offer of marriage that chris was suposedly going to make! who are you to belittle him as if you are better thats what i'm talking about you have always thought you were better than everyone now look at you stuck with an old perv while we are free to have normal lives with husbands and wives and beautiful children! chris- can't wait to see you by the way! what have i become jeanette? you know nothing about me nor have you asked! you are so wrapped up in your own little sick world under the thumb of a false prophet that you don't even take the time to stop and look around and realize you are alone! no family no friends! your whole past was taken from you so that you can be what tony wants you to be. now look who has changed from that confident outspoken funloving kid i knew? a normal person who hasn't spoken to their childhood best friend in 14 years would ask how they were or what the heck is new? why is it that i have missed you all these years and morned you as a loss of life and now we speak and all you say is how pampered i was. i never believed in brainwashing until now.

[jeanne (jeanne)]

To Tami,you are one of the most miserable people I know and extremely nuts.Your mouth is filled with horrible dung.You have absolutely no couth,no morals or dignity for your own self.To speak the way you do on here, especially to other men, is so low and dirty.You are an extreme embarrassment to every woman.No one wants to know about your stupid sex life.
And did you or did you not want to kill your own little daughter?Don't even try to deny this Tami,I was there.And did Pastor Alamo not tell you if you ever did such a thing he would have you prosecuted to the limit of the law?Pastor Alamo is totally against child abuse or any kind of abuse to anyone.I was there when you(Tami)would beat your poor little girl on the bottom of her feet and she would cry and cry and beg to be with me or one of the other sisters who worked in the office at that time.And the time you locked yourself and Renee in the bathroom and began growling.Tami, everyone knows you're crazy.Is that why you checked yourself into that Wells Springs place because you knew you were off your rocker?And don't give me a line of,I was damaged I had to be deprogrammed.You're a liar and that isn't good.Don't you know literally hundreds of people in the church who knew you,know that you are crazy,that you are way out there?If you are really happy now,why don't you just be happy and leave Pastor Alamo and the rest of us alone?In reality,it sounds like you are pretty miserable
to me.

[holdol27 (holdol27)]

ivy- don't speak to me ok? i guess i blocked it out the whole thing! but the truth is tony lied about my dad and believe me my dad was one of the few people that had info to be able to say anything..........but he didn't. i'm not denying anything i simply don't remember any footwashing.i guess its just the way i cope........forgetting.

[ivy (ivy)]

Now you say you forget, but then you can claim to remember things about Jeanne?! Of course you don't want me to speak to you, I just proved that you are a liar.

[holdol27 (holdol27)]

ya i remember the good things that i choose to remember about my best friend as a child.......back when u say i was at this service was a difficult changing time in my life i simply can not remember it the last i remember jeanette was at my parents apartment and we were singing amy grant songs on my dads kareoke machine. why would i take the time to lie to you anyway i don't know who u are and obviously u don't know me. just stay out of the conversation i am trying to have with jeanette unless you have the courage to state who u are!

[beccasue1975 (beccasue1975)]

Jeanette,

Why are you so vicious? You used to be a sweet young lady. Tony Alamo certainly has helped change you into a vicious, nasty, UNgodly woman.

The things you say about Tami are lies. It isn't surprising that everything that comes out of Tony's wives mouths are lies. You have to lie constantly to Tony, about Tony, and for Tony.

FOR THE RECORD..... Tami (Hunt) Sprinkle is one of my best friends in the world. I have known her for 29 years. I know all 6 of her children and I know her husband Randy Sprinkle, personally. Tammi does not beat her children... in fact she does not even spank them. Randy and Tami have many other constructive ways to discipline their children. They do not resort to the type of violence that was taught by Tony Alamo. All 6 of the Sprinkle children are well cared for and loved beyond measure. They are well fed, well dressed, well educated... all more than ALAMO can say for any of his ba$tard children. He won't even claim his children as his own.... how sick!

The only abuse that ever happened to Rene and Tami Sprinkle was at TONY ALAMO's own hands. Tony Alamo took Randy Sprinkle's wife and daughter and hid them away... TONY ALAMO is the one who used to beat Rene on her feet. TONY ALAMO is the one who has blood lust. Killing someone (if it hasn't already happened) is just the next step. He has already become an adulterer, fornicator, polygamist, pedophile, fasle prophet, abuser of women and children, and I guess his next leap would be as murderer....

RUN Jeanette. RUN fast and RUN hard. Get away fast! Your parents still love you. They forgive you for your lies. I don't speak to them, but everyone knows how much they adore you... it is no secret. GET OUT WHILE IT IS STILL POSSIBLE!

[havebrainwilltravel (havebrainwilltravel)]

I do not want to be a polygamist. I did not want to be Tony Alamo's wife when he forced me to be. I did not want to write his tracts. I am not in love with Tony Alamo. I am with the man God intended me to be with. I am in love with that man, Randy. We have a blessed life and beautiful children. We are happy.

You can be happy too. You can have a husband, of your own, and children, and a home; where there is no fear of abuse. There is a life waiting for you should you ever choose to LIVE!

I will always be willing to help you when you are ready to leave your prison.

Love,
Tami

[ivy (ivy)]

Look Holly, this is a message board and I can and will post when I want. You have no authority over me. You are just angry because I proved you to be a liar. Many times on this message board you have stuck your nose in conversations that had nothing to do with you. Don't waste your time telling me what to do I was just exposing you for being a liar.

[holdol27 (holdol27)]

how silly of u ivy..........all u keep saying is what a liar i am because i can't remember a painful time in my life? you know nothing about me, atleast i say who i am on this post what are you hiding from?

[jeanne (jeanne)]

Another thing I've noticed on here is how you people talk out of both sides of your mouth.One minute it's, let's go down memory lane and remember our wonderful childhood.We didn't even have to lock our doors at night,playing hide and seek in the peach orchard with like twenty wonderful friends, etc...Then the next minute it's,Oh,I'm so glad I got the hell out of dodge and I was so damaged and now I'm finally free.Yeah,free to sin,lie,commit fornication,take drugs, and whatever other filth you want.That's the reality of it.None of you want to deny yourselves, take up the cross and follow the true Lord Jesus Christ,the true Bible,not the one that fits the lying way you want to live.
Another thing,one minute you say Pastor Alamo is raping young girls and has all kinds of wives, and the next minute he's so impotent and doesn't really have one to do anything anyway.How do you know?Have you seen him,checked him out or something?You are extremely vile.Grow up and get real.Get a real life,like the life of God living in you.You know, the more Pastor Alamo exposes the Vatican with the truth,the more you former Catholics and former Catholic's children have to sling mud and fallacy against Pastor Alamo in an attempt to pull him down to your own guttural level.Pastor Alamo doesn't even read your message board.He's not at all interested and certainly not worried.He's been having false accusations said about him for years.Now,you evil, wicked people are able to do it in a more intense way because of the internet.All this does is make Pastor Alamo stronger.The ministry has grown so much,world wide, since you people have gone .Pastor Alamo is now on the radio all over US,India,Africa,Europe,the Middle East, the Caribbean,Central and South America,and all over the world.He writes new pieces of literature all the time and brings messages on tape everyday.And much to what I've heard Ian Mann has lied and said, Tony does not have a ghost writer and is not getting the truth of the Word of God from some carnal man or some carnal man's book.It is straight from the Holy Spirit,God Himself.

[holdol27 (holdol27)]

so whos baby did lizzy have? agirl right? about 3yrsold?

[beccasue1975 (beccasue1975)]

Hey Jeanette,

Take note: all of the good times were when TONY ALAMO was not around... when we were able to actually be children! Yeah us kids had a blast playing. Kids in Africa who are starving to death still manage to play and have fun, despite their horrible surroundings. Are you really seriously using the fun we had against us???? Unreal! If the foundation was nothing but beatigs and rapes we would have all come out real zombies. Thank God those things didn't happen daily, but they did still happen on a very regular basis. You know that! Come on, even TONY ALAMO knows that people have to have some kind of pleasure in life. As children on the ridge we had eachother. We played and laughed and had a lot of fun times. We all remember those times... that is part of what unites us! But the other side of that coin is just as real! There are beatings, there are children who are forced to marry grown men. The good does not negate the bad... just because there was good does not mean the bad stuff never happened. You know in your heart what the truth is. And Jeanette, people left because they wanted freedom from Tony Alamo's lies and cruelty and they wanted a personal relationship with God, without Tony's spin.

When you are ready to know God for yourself you will have to leave Tony's harem too. Why will you have to leave? Because light and darkness cannot have fellowship. Living in that house with all those kids and women having ungodly sex and standing by as people are abused is sin. One day you will desire freedom. You will want the yoke breaking, burden lifting Spirit of God to fall fresh upon you. All you have to do is ask! God will make a way where there seems to be none. He will make rivers in the dessert. He will open your understanding if you only ask Him. You don't need Tony Alamo to tell you what God says. God loves to speak to His people. The Holy Spirit will teach you... God's burden is light and His yoke is easy.

Forget about us on this message board for a minute... talk to God yourself. Have a heart to heart.... ask Him for supernatural revelation.

[holdol27 (holdol27)]

i couldn't have said it better myself

[ivy (ivy)]

If you people are so glad you are gone and want nothing to do with the ministry..then why are you so consumed with Tony's life? It is because your lives are in torment. You have no peace in your souls no rest. The life of God's children are not like that. Even in adversity we can have the peace of God. You just try so hard to justify yourselves for wallowing in the mire and feasting on your vomit. You want to blame Tony but you will be accountable for your own actions.

[holdol27 (holdol27)]

i'm not consumed with anything about that creep tony..........i just want to know how my childhood friends are considering i loved them so deeply at one point. ivy- why not say who u are? jeanette doesn't seem to feel she has to hide herself?

[helives (helives)]

There were good times, and there were bad times. That is not talking out of both sides of the mounth.

Just because there were good times, like riding the horses, swimming in the pool, movies and just being with your friends -

it doesn't mean the bad times didn't exsist.

You know about the beatings at Papa Tony's house on the ridge.

I know because we both saw each other there.

You know about how when you were 10 years old you kids had to go to the sewing room in Alma everyday after dinner and set rhinestones in the rims. At 10pm all the kids loaded on the bus and got driven home, however you still had to be at the morning prayer meeting at 8 before school started at 9. On Saturdays you only had to work 1/2 a day until 2pm. Then you got to play. You were all so good, you tried so hard to be positive about having to go to school all day and then work until 10 pm setting rhinestones for alamo designs.


Another thing - you can deny you are Ton's wife, concubine or whatever her refers to you as, however he told me with his own lips that Jeanne,Lizzy,Angel,Lydia and Sharon were his wives. Remember I saw you all.

I have no reason to lie. The only reason I ever said anything on this message board, way back in the beginning is because a few people, who have since deleted their posts, were denying the beatings that happened by the command of tony.

If I had to come to grips with what happened, I'm certainly not going to let him get away with what he did. So if those people, like nfly,jedi would have just said there weren't in the foundation at the time. That probably would have been the end of it.


The more denials that come, the more the facts are going to be reposted.

You can do your letter writing campaign, smear campaign and character assinations and even say things that are true. We expected that - like I said we lived there and are familar with Tony's attack mode.

I don't think any of us are saying we are perfect. That is why we need a Savior.

We are called names and railed on, however like we haven't seen Tony in a long time, Neither has he or any of you seen us in a long time. So you don't know what we are or are not doing and besides that , work out your own salvation.

Twisting the truth is lying - it is not ok to lie to the devil. Oh and there are lots of people who have access to the world wide web who are christians, so you can't lie to them.

[ivy (ivy)]

Sue, I have been reading the posts and in fact the nfly and jedi did say that they weren't there back in the 80's... They stated that there are NO BEATINGS ETC... they both stated that they were there recently and NEVER EVER EXPERIENCED, OR WITNESSED THE PERVERSIONS THAT YOU ALL CLAIMED HAPPEN THERE. The jedi said that Tony was like a father to him. He said that Tony has always taken care of him. you have a filthy mind.

[helives (helives)]

I read what he said, and I'm glad Tony was good to him, however that doesn't negate what happened to the many many many children that were beaten by the command of Tony.


I have a filthy mind? Because Tony has multiple wives and beat the children on the ridge?

By the way - nfly and jedi removed almost all their post of denials!!! That is a fact too!

give me a break - go back and play with your dolls little girl.

[iasmann (iasmann)]

Ivy,

This message board was started by Smitty to locate old friends. If you are not one then go start your own board for Tony worshippers. Nobody invited you to the party and no one will miss you if you leave.

Personally I'm having a little fun with this because Tony is so lame and you all are trying to convince us that Tony is not telling you what to say. What a joke.

I remember once Ted F. was talking to his stepfather on the phone. The stepfather was bringing accos and Tony was telling Ted what to say. Finally the stepfather said I think Tony is in the room right now telling you what to say. Ted quickly stepped into an adjoining room and said, "That's a lie! Tony's not in the room with me." We all had a good laugh over that one.

[ivy (ivy)]

Dolls? You are very childish. You just hate the fact that I know more than you about the Bible. Perhaps you should have never been up there on the ridge wife swapping and trying to be desperate housewives... You should have been studying your Bibles, and praying. Now look at you. MISERABLE!!!http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/uhoh.gif

[helives (helives)]

Ivy - give me a break - wife swapping?


That is what Tony is doing!!!

[iasmann (iasmann)]

The jedi posted what Tony told him to post.

If there is anyone on this website that doesn't believe that, contact me. I have a great deal on a bridge over in Brooklyn that I'll let you have at a discount.

Jedi is probably Sanford or someone like that. Same with Ivy and the others. That's why they won't identify themselves. We would all know who they are and the lies would be too obvious. Of course they'll deny it blah blah blah. And even if they're not. Tony is still telling them what to say. They keep posting this thing about Tony not standing over them telling them what to say. That's because Tony is probably sitting down or talking to them on the phone but he's still telling them what to say. This kind of deception makes them feel like they are telling the truth when in fact they are lying.

[ivy (ivy)]

No he isn't. He is busy lifting up the name of God in this world. Busy winning souls. Busy studying the Bible so that he can teach and preach in order to bring forth good fruit. By the way where is your good fruit?

[iasmann (iasmann)]

Tony's website is filled with his praise and he even claims to have written a book which in fact he stole.

The Bible says let another man praise thee and not thine own mouth. I don't think that's in Tony's Bible or whatever he reads now. Some kind of ancient manuscripts or something like that.

So I post this only to reply to your question and not to lift up myself.

Through witnessing one on one in downtown Dallas and through street preaching during the 8 years we lived there, I have won many souls to the Lord. I don't just get them to recite a prayer so I can have a soul count. That's Tony's way.

I have had people call me and get saved in response to my Christian radio broadcast which I have had for years and which airs every weekday in Pensacola. I pay for it out of my own pocket I don't beg for money nor do I make others go out and support me. I work for a living. I have had many more Christians who have also called me to tell me how encouraged they are by my broadcasts.

When I went off the air on one station and moved to another they told me they had people calling for months afterword to find out where I had gone.

My wife raised hundreds of thousands of dollars maybe even a million in donations for an innercity mission in Dallas. In fact the Pastor wrote us a letter telling us how much we had blessed them and how instrumental we were in helping them get established.

We also have gone to many nursing homes and ministered there as well and won many to the lord through that ministry. We don't do it Tony style where you sing 3 songs give two testimonies and a 2 minute message. Then you ask everyone to repeat the sinners prayer and count heads for a soul count even if they are sleeping.

There's much more in letter writing, fasting and praying. But that's enough. It's pleasing to God which means Tony will despise it. It was his jealousy that destroyed the Foundation. Anytime he saw anyone being used by God he would revile them and put them down anyway he could.

On her deathbed Susie told him to leave the foundation to the brothers and sisters and go to Europe because she knew he would totally destroy the place and the lives of so many of the Christian people who lived there.

A few times in moments of weakness after her death he admitted this to us. Later it became "Susie told me to leave you weasels behind and go to Europe." when in fact he knew that he was the weasel she was worried about. That's why he now refers to her as his weak wife
and puts her down as well.

[jewels81475 (jewels81475)]

Tony is laying in a bed or on a couch right now, probably doing something wicked to a child or having one of his many wives do something wicked to him. I never saw Tony do anything in the years that I was there except preach(which I would only see the first twenty minutes of until my dad and I would both be snooring through the three hour services on sundays) and entertain at the restaurant and show off his wives after susan died. And I have heard from a VERY reliable source that Bergetta and Elizabeth were a booty call that he happened to marry. I wonder how sweet little Becca Kroop, i'm sure she has a kid or two by Tony by now. She may be a bit to old for his taste by now though, maybe that's who Ivy is, little becca kroop. She was such a sweet little girl, we used to baby sit her all the time and we'd visit them at their apartment when sharon was still married to dave. They were a cute little jewish family.
Ivy sounds like she's very jealous of Holly, i've seen holly in the past few years, she's georgous and happy with two adorable children and a husband who worships her. I don't believe that girl is a bit unhappy with her life, (my sister married her brother). I am thinking Ivy might be one of Tony's children, but i'm for sure she's writing exactly what Tony is telling her to write even if he's not in the same room or even town. Those are words of Tony not a real girl. My two cents. Julie Armstrong

[ivy (ivy)]

Listen up, you filthy minded, wretch aka Julie Armstrong, I am not Becky!!Tony would never touch his daughter. You are a sick PIG!! Becky is a grown woman with a family of her own. Jealous? there is nothing to be jealous of. NOT AT ALL. Her husband worships her? God is a jealous God and only He is to be worshipped. You make me sick.

[holdol27 (holdol27)]

you are truly a stupid little person ivy. julie was giving me a compliment {thankyou} she was only expressing that she noticed my appearance as being nice and that it seemed to her that my husband loves me very much.......so much hatred for such a young spiritual person

[ivy (ivy)]

Ian
Well it is obvious to me that Tony has not destroyed the foundation. The ministry is greater now. We have physically gone overseas to establish churches and care for the needy. God has made it possible for us to buy vehicles and bicycles for people to spread the Word of God. All I see that you post is perverted,homosexual comments about someone who is a very godly person. You may deceive some but you won't get away with what you are doing now.

[ivy (ivy)]

I know what she said. I am not the one who is stupid. I answered her post as she wrote it. Men are not supposed to worship their wives. I did not say anything that was wrong.

[gettheehence (gettheehence)]

Letter to Tony from Piper B:

Dear Tony,
Thank you for the wonderful time I have had during my stay at your home. I have never known such happy people in my life.
Even though I have known you since I was sixteen years old, and know you to be the man of God you are, living with you and your wife as closely as I have these past few months has truly enlightened me even more so to know that you are a truly sanctified, consecrated, holy prophet of God, and you live and breathe every word you preach. Your testimony before me over the years has been spotless and flawless from sin and hypocrisy in your holy consecrated walk with God on a daily basis, year after year after year.
I truly believe the world has never known a prophet as powerful and so close to God as you are. I have truly witnessed that God does walk and talk with you every day. I have witnessed tremendous healings and miracles, and many, many souls that have been saved and remain in the Lord by your flawless testimony and pouring out of the Word as you do, sometimes 24 hours a day, every day.
The Lord must really bless your sleep when you do sleep because I know you hardly get any. I have never known or heard of anyone working as hard as you do. Sometimes I watch you work and it doesn't seem possible that one man can accomplish so much at one time, day after day. You truly never tire of serving the Lord and always praising and thanking God, so happy to be serving Him.
Thank you for having me in your happy home. Thank you for the cup of cold water you gave me to drink as when no one else would, also the wells and wells of water you have poured out to my soul. You have renewed and filled me with faith and knowledge in the Lord. You and your wife are truly the kindest people I have ever known. I will be forever grateful.
Sincerely,
Piper B

[iasmann (iasmann)]

Well now we know that you don't actually read my posts. All you've seen is the one post where I just quoted what Tony said about massages all over when he was in prison. He said it not me.

All of my other posts were about other things. None involving homosexuality. It's funny that that's the one that bothers Tony the most.

I don't know what you mean about not getting away with what I am doing. Are you threatening me?

I know how Tony operates I remember when he sent Don Davis over to Nashville to see about blowing up Bennetti's store with dynamite.

[gettheehence (gettheehence)]

Six years ago, while trying to buy crack cocaine in Los Angeles, I was stabbed in the neck four times and left for dead. After the police showed up, then paramedics, I was rushed to the hospital. While waiting in the emergency room I cried out to God for mercy from the depths of my heart. After surgery, two doctors told me I had a second chance at life, to make the best use of it.
I was released after two weeks, and started searching for the truth, and the reason I had survived the stabbing. I talked with family and friends, sought for answers in the places I used to go; bars, pool halls, a Presbyterian Church I used to attend, never satisfied with the answers. Before long I was involved with crack again, and worse than before.
Two years later my wife brought home two pieces of gospel literature she received on her car, telling me to read them because they'd be good for me. I looked at the titles and left them on the dining room table, looking out the window, I started asking God, "Why?" and "How can I get to you?" Looking down I saw the gospel literature was still there. I read one, then the other, and the message in the literature opened my heart to receive the Truth. I asked Jesus into my heart and I felt Him enter into my heart and wash all my sins away in His blood. On my knees, alone in my dining room, The Holy Spirit of God instantly delivered me from crack addiction, alcoholism, and every other sin I had committed. No one can tell me that Tony Alamo's literature is trash.
David Chalais Fort Smith Arkansas

[holdol27 (holdol27)]

ivy- seeing how retarded u are i'll go into further detail......worship can also be an expression such as he adores her, but ofcourse a fantic such as yourself would only know one meaning of the word and yes the bible does say for husbands to love their wifes as he does the church........please be quiet now.

[beccasue1975 (beccasue1975)]

Get Thee Hence...
That is exactly what YOU need to do.
Piper was FORCED to write that letter.
Tony Alamo would not allow her to leave his home until she first wrote a letter saying how great he was. He knew she was going to leave and blow the lid on Tony's sick, sick life. And she did do just that! And of course... the ever paranoid Tony Alamo had a letter so that he could prove Piper was lying.
What a stinkin' prophet!

[gettheehence (gettheehence)]

Dear Friend,
I ask a little of your time and the time of the reader to share what the almighty has done in my life.
Being raised in a Catholic family in New Orleans and attending Catholic church and school, I never knew anything about reading the Bible, being born again of the Spirit of God, or living a true Christian life according to the teachings of the Holy Bible. My parents taught me good basic morals and my Mom preached strongly about education. Neither Mom nor dad knew the Bible. I had a very shallow head knowledge of the God in Heaven, the devil in hell and the Catholic religion even told us this big lie about a nonexistent place called "purgatory."
Since I did not have a spiritual anchor in my heart and soul, the worldly vices of the late 60' and 70's era were easy to fall into--the drugs, rock concerts, etc. My personal experimentation and usage of drugs caused my addiction and fogged my vision for anything positive, except using drugs.
On June 23, 1986, as I walked down the street of downtown Los Angeles, all of a sudden I felt the energy being extracted from my body. I started becoming so very tired. this started happening to me in the middle of the block as I was walking towards the corner of Fifth and Broadway. When I got to the corner, I stopped and tried to figure out in my head what was happening to me. In my mind, I wanted to cross the street, so I did. I wanted to go left, but this force was pulling me to the right. As I went with this force to the other side of the street, on that corner I came face to face with a lady passing out Gospel literature, and preaching Jesus Christ and Him crucified. She told me the Heaven and Hell side of the Gospel. As she continued to talk, the power of God came down upon me and made me to know that this lady was telling me the truth, and that if I died in the state that I was in, my soul would burn in Hell. I was at the fork in the road of my life. The lady asked me if I wanted to accept Jesus Christ as my personal Savior and I said, "Yes, I do." So we knelt down on the corner of Fifth and Broadway, downtown Los Angeles, on a beautiful sunny day as hundreds of people walked by, and she led me through the old-fashioned sinner's prayer of repentance. When I finished saying that prayer with her, I was sober as a newborn baby, and the drugs that I used earlier that day had no more effect on me. Jesus Christ immediately washed my soul in His blood and cured me of my drug addiction instantly. Praise God! I had become born again of the Spirit of the living God.
This lady invited me to church. I boarded the bus later that evening that brought me to Saugus, California, to the Tony and Susan Alamo Christian Foundation. When I stepped off the bus in front of the church, I felt the same peace that I felt on the corner earlier that day when I got saved. As I went inside and started meeting people, something made me to know in my heart that I had to stay around these people.
As time went on, I was informed by one of the sisters that I could move into the ministry if I really wanted to serve the Lord. She told me, "Just check with Pastor Tony when he comes to church tonight." It was nearing eight o'clock and it was time to be seated. The service began and a little while later several people came into the church. One of the men went to the pulpit, grabbed the microphone, and started singing Gospel songs. As the service continued, I realized that this must be Pastor Tony.
When it was time for the message, as he preached all of a sudden my understanding was opened, and I felt in my being, "It's true, it's true. This man knows the truth." Then I felt like my whole body was being filled with soothing water. My heart was opened and knowledge was put into my heart, "This man is of God. The words that he is saying are true, and he is simply preaching the Word of Truth in the power of the Holy Spirit." God made me personally to know that Pastor Tony Alamo was truly a man of God. I had never, ever experienced anything like that in my life.
After services, I met Pastor Tony Alamo and he gave me permission to move into the ministry as long as I truly wanted to serve the Lord and study the Bible. I for sure wanted to learn about this God that saved my soul on that street corner earlier that evening.
As of Oct 31st, 2005 it has been 19 1/2 years that I have been saved and in this powerful end-time ministry. I am so thankful to the almighty God that He brought me to the Tony and Susan Alamo Christian Foundation where I have learned to read the Bible, witness and testify, and win souls by preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ to them. I am thankful for my pastor and friend Tony Alamo, who has done and will continue to do an outstanding job for God here in the last days. I am also thankful for my beautiful Christian wife that He (the Lord) has given me, and for all the blessings that I have received during my Christian walk. I thank God that I am on my way to the Kingdom of Heaven as long as I keep His commandments. Thank you kindly, Gerard Demoulin

[holdol27 (holdol27)]

are wives suppose to worship their husbands ivy? lol

[holdol27 (holdol27)]

jeanette- do you want me to send pics? if so i need to some email address.

[ivy (ivy)]

look you uneducated fool. THE AMERICAN HERITAGE DICTIONARY: Worship:to honor and love as a diety.
YOU ARE NOT DIETY!! Only God is to be worshipped in truth and Spirit.

[beccasue1975 (beccasue1975)]

Holly,
I'd love some pictures! Send them to me at BeccaSue1975@aol.com

[somedude (somedude)]

strange beccasue, i've seen your AOL profile before. I think I got it out of a satanic chat room. are you into witchcraft or palm reading or something?

[holdol27 (holdol27)]

ivy needs to be checked in to an institution for socially retarded people! lol everyone but u knows u can use words out of context as "expressions" ..........yes becca i'm it!

[beccasue1975 (beccasue1975)]

SomeDude,
No... you have never seen me in any AOL chat room. I don't have time for that nonsense. I have a question for you though... what in the heck were YOU doing in a satanic chat room???
Your silly accusation was barely worth a response.
Rebecca

[somedude (somedude)]

yes you were in there. i saw you're profile. i remeber one day i was looking at the chat room names and I saw a satanic one and it shows on the side who's in there and so I clicked on the profile of one of them and it was you. I know I saw your your profile and i'm almost positive i got it froma satanic chat room. maybe it was your husband.

[beccasue1975 (beccasue1975)]

SomeDude,
You are completely mistaken. My husband is a Deputy Sheriff and has his own email account through his department. It is not affiliated with AOL. I myself do not go into AOL chat rooms. I wouldn't even know how to go into one.
So much for your "acco's"

[holdol27 (holdol27)]

becca check your email girl

[beccasue1975 (beccasue1975)]

Holly,
I received the pictures you sent of yourself and your lovely family! You are beautiful as always and your husband is also very attractive! Congratulations! Your girls are beautiful too! The little one looks just like you! Such a beautiful family! You must be so proud of them all! I'm very happy for you! Did you get a chance to look at the photo album I emailed you? I have AOL and YAHOO.. IM me... (aol) BeccaSue1975 (yahoo) BeccaSue226

[somedude (somedude)]

Hi!
My name is Rebecca. I am 28. I was born with a VSD. As a baby it was supposed to be corrected, but it got smaller and it never was corrected. In 1996 (I was 21) I had an echo done and the hole was 1 mm. I have since had 3 children (one C-section 2 vaginally). I gained quite a bit of weight and my blood pressure has been relatively high for several years (145/85). I developed a panic disorder after I had my first child and am always a nervous wreck. I hadn't had a good check up in several years until this October. The Dr. did an EKG and reported sinus tachacardia (I was very nervous, not sure if that is part of it) and my b/p was very high 162/98 my pulse was 120. I was also 230 lbs. My triglyserides were way high 350, and my cholesterol was high 230. Upon listening to my heart the Dr. could not hear what used to be a very loud murmur. I told him that either the hole closed up or it got bigger and those could be the only reasons for the murmur to get so quiet. He ordered an echo. The echo showed the hole to be 1 cm. Quite a difference from 1 mm. Also it showed some regurgitation in a valve.
He referred me to a cardiologist here in West Palm Beach. The cardiologist wants to have a Trans Esophageal Echo done. He wants to know the pressure of the blood on the hole. What I need to know is this: How often do holes get bigger in adults and what is the primary cause? Do you think this hole needs to be repaired and if so, how do they close holes in an adult? I am very scared that this will kill me. I have 3 very small children and all I want is to live to ta....

[somedude (somedude)]

beccasue- what happned on ebay? looks like you stole people's money and never sent them their items. what's up with that? here every one can view her ebay site http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&amp;userid=beccasue1975

[somedude (somedude)]

beccasue- come on now, you post all this stuff on the internet?
Re: What do you wear to bed?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Okay Okay, I confess... I sleep in my birfday suite. I dont know how anyone can sleep with colthes on! They wrap around you and get all tangled and worst of all, they come between my lover, my friend, (my DH) and me. (By the way, my lover and my friend are the same person LOL my hubby) I haven't slept with clothes on since I was 14! Ahhhh FREEDOM!

223 starting weight / 135 Personal Goal
After one short week 6 lbs gone!
WoooHooooo!!!

[beccasue1975 (beccasue1975)]

SomeDude,
I didn't steal anyone's money. All money was reffunded. I used to sell on Ebay all the time and my computer crashed while I had a bunch of stuff listed.... Stuff happens. All money was reffunded so that is good enough for me.

[somedude (somedude)]

your account was terminated by ebay and the people there were all calling you liars. every one look at her feedback!! they said she kept changing her story!! this womans a liar from hell!! look out!!!

[beccasue1975 (beccasue1975)]

WOW... I'm impressed. You know how to GOOGLE some one's screen name. You are so impressive! So far you have proven that I had an Ebay account... that I sleep naked with my husband (who cares!) and that I joined a chat about heart and valve disease. Nothing incriminating.... Nothing that involves TONY ALAMO or any of his cult members. Of course you have now proven that when someone tells the truth about Tony, Tony will seek retribution. Way to go... you have made ALAMO look worse than he did 20 minutes ago.

[alamosupporter (alamosupporter)]

you're a liar!! thats all you are. that's what somedude proved. and a thief. people followed up on you and said you sold them garbage too. 380k house i bet. from what? conning people on the internet? you stole their money. you didnt refund their money. they would have followed up and said you refunded their money. I know how eBay works, i have 500 + transactions with ebay. You're a hippocrate and a liar and your sins have found you out.

[double_j (double_j)]

I have been seeing some letters from people around the world and around the country for Tony Alamo, that he is having posted on this web site. None of them, not the Alamo supporters are addressing one of the main issues on this board. That is the CHILD ABUSE issue, and the polygamy issue.....It seems that every time an Alamo supporter or wife or someone posts, they only quote scriptures and avoid the direct issue of the beatings that took place on the Ridge in Arkansas and the multiple wives or concubines that Tony Alamo has.

That is great that people write letters to Tony Alamo and thank him for helping him...... Thats great that people survived, when they were down and out. (I believe that would be by Gods graces though that they are still alive not a mans graces....but who am I to say) Thats great that people in other countries have found Christ, and feel better about their lives. I wonder if they know that Tony Alamo is married to more than one woman? All these people posting on here talk about how good Tony Alamo has treated them, and we all know how good he can quote scriptures, still it does not change that fact that Tony Alamo practices polygamy.


Now lets talk about the child abuse issue for a minute...

All these letters from people who are thanking Tony Alamo for them finding God,and bring Christ into their lives, still does not change the facts that Tony Alamo ordered many CHILDREN back in the 80's to be beaten with a board....( I don't know if he still does this these days, for I had enough back in the 80's and said no more, and we got kicked out) Some were beaten so badly they were bleeding. (this I know because it happened to my brother) There were times I was beaten so badly It would take me a minute (literally a minute) or more to sit down, and every time I would move, the pain would course though my body. I would be black and blue on my butt for weeks at a time. I remember one time I was hit, I believe it was 40 times, it may have been 70 but think it was 40 times with a board for holding my breathe in class and I passed out in the class room. Luckily,when I fell backwards (unconscious) my head hit a pile of books that were on the floor next to my desk, otherwise my head would have probably split open from hitting the tile.....It was a stupid trick I know, but I had just figured out by dong this you could make yourself dizzy, and was showing it to my classmates. I got BEATEN at Tony Alamos house for that. It may sound like a childish and foolish thing to do (holding your breathe to get dizzy) but at the time I was only a child. I believe I was 13 years old when this happened. . Did that really deserve to beaten with a 2x4? Holding your breathe in class.... Man what a horrible sin against God.

Post all the letters (whether they are true or fake)....What doe s that have to do with the fact that many children were severely beaten at the hand of Tony Alamo or beaten after given the orders from Tony Alamo back in the 80's at the Ridge, inside Tony Alamos "Spec House"?

Tony Alamo will be eventually be held accountable in a court of law. You can not beat children and then just think that you can get away with it by quoting scriptures and calling people whores, homos, imps, devils, back-sliders, punks...etc....... It does not matter if it was 15+ years ago or not. I finally have built up enough courage to tell just part of my story and tell some of the stories of others I know who have been beaten or abused at the Alamo Foundation back in the 80's at the hands and orders of Tony Alamo.


Did Tony Alamo and Susan Alamo help young and old, destitute and broke people get on their feet and find God.... .Yes.....Did Tony Alamo order those peoples children to be beaten back in the 80's.... Yes

It doesn't matter how long ago these children were abused, and I am including myself....the fact is he still had children beaten, and some times these children were beaten to a bloody pulp. By LAW they were physically abused.

Tony Alamo can still be, and probably will be charged for some of these crimes that he has committed against children. Call me all the names you want. Yes I am a backslider, yes at times I can have a foul mouth.......That still does not change the fact that many children were beaten at the Alamo Foundation at the orders of Tony Alamo. That is a fact. It will remain a fact.

Jared Balsley

[summer4ever (summer4ever)]

somedude,

You musn't have ever worked in customer service, because if you had, you would know that a 94.1% customer service rating is good.
224 positive transactions
12 negative transacations

I'm not sure how a good customer service rating for Rebecca on ebay has anything to do with anything that is being discussed here.

Hey thanks for the profound revelation though...
Good going becca!!!

Jody

[beccasue1975 (beccasue1975)]

Jared,
Get ready... they will try to shut you up too... they will try to embarass you and make you go away... they will lie and malign your name.
Be strong and of good courage!

[alamosupporter (alamosupporter)]

why should we believe you Jared? you're probably just another liar like rebeccasue turned out to be. tony probably hurt your feelings by asking you to leave his church and now you're tramatized over it. Jared, Tony has rules there and you didn't want to keep them and he asked you and your whole family to go. that's all I've seen Tony do, put people out. so now you're disgruntled and into satanic music and believe there are other gods and obviously have a wild immagination according to someposts I saw you leave on another Christian website saying "would it be ok to kill 300 people, would I still go to heaven?" that's just a crazy question. I wonder what the FBI would say about that. Are you considering killing 300 people Jared? why would you ask such a question? to see his question just go here. ->
http://www.christian-forum.net/lofiversion/index.php/t562.html

[alamosupporter (alamosupporter)]

nice try jody you supporter of theifs and liars. 94.1% is awful especially if you're stealing from the customer and lying to them! this is great. you are all showing your true colors now. a den of thiefs and insane people.

[rattlesnake (rattlesnake)]

anyone with even half a brain can see that he is asking a hypothetical question regarding forgiveness. Got to try better than that cuz that one just don't work!!

[summer4ever (summer4ever)]

alamosupporter,
You really don't know much about customer service, do you? 94.1 is a good customer service rating...
You guys should at least read up on the "real world" stuff before you try to argue these things.

Just sounding silly...

[beccasue1975 (beccasue1975)]

Okay Alamo supporter, I copy and pasted your link... I read Jared's Bible questions. They were good, well thought out questions. Even an uneducated person could see Jared wasn't saying he wanted to kill 300 people! He was giving an outrageous example. And he wasn't saying he believes in god(s)... he was just stating that it seems that God, Himself refers to other gods. There are very good answers to all of Jared's questions. I don't know if he meant them sarcastically... what I do know is that anyone who takes the time to think about these kind of profound, thought provoking questions is truly seeking answers. It's a good thing he didn't ask Papa Tony these questions. He would have likely been beaten for being a "smart alec" or something like that.

[summer4ever (summer4ever)]

Ivy,

You have a picture with Holly and I from the footwashing? hmm... I do remember that.
Before you go off on me, let me tell you this:
I still do care about you, you know? I know you were too young to understand things, but if it was up to me things would have been so much different. No matter what you say or what you may call me, I still love you http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

Jody

[christophr19 (christophr19)]

you are all showing your true colors now. a den of thiefs and insane people.

HOOga BoOga! ahe[paghethhter aldjerjvheeeeee
HElheeheehehehehe! yahoehe....heyshsiwshewl....
okay...whew!
had to get that out of my system. I mean, we are supposed to be insane, right? So, I thought I might just ham it up a bit to give them something they can say they were right about. As they have yet to actually prove us wrong on any subject we have brought up. It seems like all they are good at, is quoting scriptures that have nothing to do with the subject they are TRYING to expound upon.
telling totally out there lies, and calling us extreme and gross names. oh well, that is the fruit of tony, is it not? To all of the tony worshipers....the longer you refuse to answer my question, the more you show yourselves to be untrue. So, how about it? Will any of you get on here and say that before God and all of eternity, and judgement against your own soul....that tony has never done anything that he was accused of by this great number of witnesses?
God, eternity, and all of us here, are waiting for your replies.....

[alamosupporter (alamosupporter)]

christophr19 - you're all washed up. i wrote that message and I signed my real name there and my state. so stop spewing lies. you are all proving to be lyers just like I caught beccasue doing. heres her eBay feedback. http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&amp;userid=beccasue1975&amp;ite ms=200&amp;page=1&amp;frompage=-1&amp;iid=-1&amp;de=off
even the people that bought from her called her a thief and a liar and an excuse maker. and she was suspended by eBay and can't buy or sell on there anymore. So, not only was she kicked out of the church she was kicked out of eBay as well. and rebeccasue even said that christianity is a lot of putting your foot in your mouth. what kind of doctrine is that? then she said that she was like Peter before he was coverted. that i believe. But, keep talking. the more you lie the better it is for the church and Tony and all christianity!

[beccasue1975 (beccasue1975)]

NO WHERE ON THIS BOARD DID I EVER SAY I WAS LIKE PETER. LEARN HOW TO READ!

I WAS NOT SUSPENDED FROM EBAY FOR THE REASONS YOU STATE. GEEZE...

NOW I HAVE ADDRESSED YOUR "ISSUES" WITH ME....

HOW ABOUT IT,
Is Papa Tony a liar for saying he doesn't beat children and women? Is he a liar for saying he does not fornicate with under age children? Is he a liar for saying he never issued beatings???? Is he a liar for saying that he is a prophet of God???

[christophr19 (christophr19)]

ha ha hahaahah!
you keep repeating the same stuff over and over and over and over and over...etc. ad nasium.
so we all know that beccasue has an ebay account. So do I, why don't you go look it up and come back and tell everyone what I bought for my wife...hmm? Next, she likes to sleep in the nude, so do I, and millions of other people world wide.
Next, what else you got? I am all washed up? Sure thing! All washed and made whole by the blood of the Lamb that was slain for the sins of the world! Thank you Jesus and Halleluiah!
Me a liar???? SO....does that mean you say yes or no? As you didn't even address my question.
Next!

[alamosupporter (alamosupporter)]

you drink wine and smoke doobs on that other post but now you're a christian right. tell me, does smoking doobs bring you closer to god?

[christophr19 (christophr19)]

YEP shore do! I am not a liar.
Jesus turned water into wine for people who were already drunk.....
In genesis, God says: And God said, Behold, I have given you every HERB BEARING SEED, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat......
well, that includes Weed, you ignorant, false scripture quoting, full of hypocrisy, hate spewing, question avoiding, IDOL WORSHIPER!!!!
And...if you had ever studied cannabis, you would know the many medical benefits it has. So I WILL put that in my pipe and smoke it!
anyone else want to get on here and tell me how evil I am???? Go right ahead, but you also have to answer my quesion that I have repeatedly put to all of the tony worshipers. } i am waiting...

[ivy (ivy)]

God made fire too so why don't you go jump in the fire? oops nevermind you will be there soon enough (that is the LAKE OF FIRE) YOU FOOL.

[alamosupporter (alamosupporter)]

christophr19 - did you know that smoking marijuana is against the law? and you just admitted it in a public forum. don't you know this is all evidence? now, hurry up and delete the post quick!!! oh, by the way, you forgot to add that after Adam and Eve sinned that God cursed the ground for their sake.....thorns and thistles shall it bring forth, etc.. Gen 3:17

[lover (lover)]

Viscious attacks, and for what? Answer Christopher's question. OK, he may not be eloquent of speech. But, neither was Paul a good speaker. The fact remains that you still have not managed to answer.

[summer4ever (summer4ever)]

Although I truly have enjoyed catching up with most of you, I must leave this room.
I have to get back to my life.

Tony,
I ask you to stand back and look at yourself in the mirror. Look what you have become. You have become such a poor excuse for a man, much less a preacher.
You break up families, abuse women and children, and rape little girls. That is not a World Pastor of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

You know what you did to me was wrong on so many levels: Biblically, morally, and legally. You hurt me and you know you did.

I have forgiven you for the pain you caused me. I hope, before it is too late, you will ask forgiveness from your Maker.

"And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea." (Mark 9:32).

Please read that scripture slowly for your own good. It does apply to you, me, and everyone else.

I do stand behind everything I stated in the post about what happened to me.
I stood behind it 11 years ago, and I will stand behind it as long as I live.
Whoever asks, I will tell them. I will not lie for you or for your church. I will not lie to the devil. I will not lie to God. I will not lie to others.

There is one thing I have in my life now that didn't have when I was there. It is peace.
I want to keep it that way.

Anyone that wants to catch up with me, you have my email address...

Jody

========== The post I am referring to here =========

I know this is long, but please take the time to read this if you would like to know what happened to me.

Most of this (if not all) was told to the Justice Dept back in 1994.
I was moved out to California when I was sixteen. Larry and I did not get along at all at the time (this was not uncommon), so Tony offered to have me live with a family (Rodriguez Family) out in California. Before I knew it, I was living in Canoga Park and helping Evie, Gina, Terry (Anna D's Sister) with the jackets.
Shortly thereafter, I started working as a tutor to some of the children. I worked with Anthony and Brandon, Tony B., and others. They were great kids!!! It was strange that I was tutoring them because I had not completed over 10th grade (the Georgia ridge raid).
I did love to read though, and Lord knows there was a shortage of books around the church, so I read Algebra, English, and so on. I became self-educated as did many of the children in the church.
Even on the ridge, we really didn't have a good school system in place. Remember guys, we would have school for four hours (just basic courses too -- everything else that encouraged our minds to think had been stripped from the curriculum), then we would go to work on the jackets.
As I had stated, I lived with the Rodriguez family in California. Nikki worked in Tony A?s house with Ann. As a teenage girl, I idolized Nikki R. and she worked with the pastor. She seemed to be quite a strong woman. So I wanted to do what she did. I began working in Tony's House with Nikki and Ann.
My first night working at Tony's house was hilarious!!!! I remember Tony was mad at Ann about something so silly. He worked himself into a frenzy and began calling her names, lesbian, •••••, etc.
Okay... I had always looked at Tony as "papa Tony" as the others had. But I clearly was seeing a different side. I always knew he had a disciplinary (abusive) side because of the Spec House beatings (YES -- The beatings did happen!). I was raised to believe he was the only one in the world to get messages from God. This is when I began to doubt about that. In my logical mind, I was thinking: Ann is married with a kid. God seriously cannot be calling her a lesbian or a female dog. Not that I entirely knew what a lesbian was, but I knew it was horrid behavior strictly forbidden that was between two women.
As time went on, Tony began talking about polygamy and the Old Testament quite a bit. I noticed Tony slowly introduced the topic and then began pushing it more and more. He would get some crazy idea in his head and then tell us to look for the scriptures to back it up. I used to argue scriptures with Tony quite a bit about this issue and others. I really didn't feel right about how things were going.
Shortly thereafter, he married Lydia - almost immediately putting her in ward. In case any of ya'll out there are not familiar with ward. It is when a man puts his woman away (does not have sexual relations with her). I really couldn?t tell if Lydia was upset about this or not. Then Tony began talking about the flames of hell and how someone in the room wasn't listening to God and marrying him and such. Well, the only other person in the room besides me would be him on most occasions when he would talk about these things.
After hearing him say all this stuff, how I was going to die very shortly and go to hell. I finally told him crying that I lived my life for God and I wanted to do God's will.
He then made arrangements to take me to Palm Springs to "marry" me.
I was terrified and asked to call my mom back in Arkansas. Tony told me I could not and he would make sure I never saw my family again unless I "consummated" the marriage. He even threatened to have some of the "brothers" drive me out to the desert and leave me there unless I slept with him. It was February 15th. Niki R. was there in Palm Springs. She knew how awful it was for me. I was dry heaving and couldn't sleep for days (found out lack of sleep was something I needed to become accustomed to later). The consummation didn't happen for a while, but I knew he would sooner or later force himself.
That did happen, and at first it was awful. I would cry the whole time. But in time I learned a very valuable trick on "my nights" with Tony. I learned how to separate myself from myself. I would actually allow my mind to take me elsewhere during that time. That is why he went around telling people that sleeping with me was like sleeping with a corpse and that I didn't like sex so something was wrong with me. Tony was very careful when he took me for a wife. He didn't want the church to know because the idea of polygamy wasn't accepted by his following yet. It later became pretty common knowledge around the church.
Anyway, after a few months went by, I saw Tony take, Isabel, Misheal (breaking up their marriage and taking her for himself), Tami (breaking up their marriage and taking her for himself as well), and Angel.
Things ended up happening towards the end of my time with him to show me that he wasn't a man of God at all. He wasn't even a real man. There were always things said and done that made me question his behavior, but then things started becoming so blatantly wrong, I couldn't make up any excuses in my head (or find reasoning in the scriptures) to justify his behavior.
There was an incident when I knew that I HAD done something and he was saying I hadn't. I said to him, "You say you can talk to God, Ask Him if I did?" He bowed his balding head and pretended to pray. Then looked up and said God had told him I didn't do it. I told him that he was lying. That was a loud, abusive day at the house.

Tami if you are reading this, Remember when he would have us burn receipts for different things in the little fire pit back on the house of Meadow Ln? I kept some of them and many more things to incriminate him. I put them in a box under my bed. After I left, I asked for my stuff back (my clothing and personal items).
Tony sent Evie and her boys to the restaurant where I worked and dumped the boxes at the front door during business hours. But in one of the boxes, were all the receipts for "wedding rings" and other things like the hotel receipt from Palm Springs that he signed when checking us in for our "marriage" under one name Funny, he actually gave me (after I left), some of the evidence the Justice Dept. used against him in court later. What a dumb @ss!
Also, for anyone wondering? Although I had been subpoenaed on the tax evasion trial, I did not testify because the government thought I would make a hostile witness. Although I told them the truth from start to end, I kept saying, "I know Tony did this but the scripture says this or that." The government thought this could hurt their case, so they quizzed me on things and then sent a special agent to testify as me on the stand.
I still wasn't 100% convinced this man was evil.
I even went over to the house to talk to him one day after I had left. He then told me about Lizzy and because she was so small, it took her three days for him to break her in. He also told me that if I didn't confess my sins to everyone in the room I would die within two minutes. I actually smiled and told him he would be the first to go. Well, after two minutes, I was still there and he was about to look like a fool. So he then decided it was the Lord's mercy on me that I was still sitting there, but if I didn't repent I would die within 2 years. Well that was a decade ago. I assure you this is Jody, and I am not back from the grave...
It did kind of remind me of the time he went around telling people God told him I was pregnant. Well, after he announced it to a room full of people, I called him aside and told him I definitely was NOT pregnant. He then stated God put a lying spirit in him to mess with me to show me how I mess with others.
Does anyone remember when he used to try to predict what the sex of the unborn child was when a woman was pregnant? It worked out for him a couple of times. But then the odds caught up with him and yes, he started getting them wrong.
Anyway back to the trial. It wasn't until after he wrote the tract about me calling my mom a prostitute that I dropped the "buts" and realized that he was 100% wrong and corrupt. So I did testify at the sentencing hearing.

And for anyone that wants to call me a whore, ••••, or anything else like you have Nikki F (I am sorry for your pain, Nikki). I had never kissed anyone, and I surely did not know what the act of sex entailed before that experience. We kids never had a sex ed class, nor did I think about things like that for fear God would hear my thoughts and strike me down in His fury.
Oh, the fear we lived in. I thank God I am free.

Jody

[iasmann (iasmann)]

I looked up Beccasue on e-bay. Here's what I saw. Everything she bought she paid for instantly. She didn't deliver on some stuff she sold so she refunded the money. No thievery here. Whether she lied about a death in the family or her computer being broken no one can prove. It's certainly possible that both did occur.

Let's see how Tony stands up under the same scrutiny.

Not too well! First of all he went to jail for lying on his tax return and not paying his taxes. This is a matter of public court record. He says he was railroaded by the Vatican because of his strong stand blah, blah, blah. But court evidence which is now public record shows he's lying. He declared a substantial income when applying for various loans for cars and other things. But declared no income on his tax return. (Later he stated that benefits he got from the foundation totalled 500 a month. Which wouldn't even pay the electric bill on his huge house on Georgia ridge. Around 10,000 square feet.)
So we have conclusive evidence that was presented to a jury proving that Tony is a liar. He signed both the loan apps showing substantial income and the tax return showing no income. As I said this is a matter of public record and can be verified by anyone.

Beccasue paid for everything she bought.

Not so with Tony. Remember all those cement trucks you bought Tony. Around half a dozen wasn't it. Tony wouldn't make the payments. He put Bob Streit down at the batch plant to watch for the repo man. Streit was one of the biggest bruisers in the foundation and would be more than a match for most repo men. But the Lord put a deep sleep upon Streit and the other person with him. When he awoke the trucks were gone. Repo'd because Tony wouldn't honor the contract he signed.

So now we have conclusive evidence that Tony is a thief as well.

There are hundreds of foundation creditors who will tell you the same thing. Tony never paid his bills.

Finally he got so far in debt he had to declare bankruptcy. Of course before he did it he got on the pulpit and declared he would never file for bankruptcy. The Lord would make a way but the Lord did not make a way because he had departed from Tony and Tony didn't even know it. When he did file it was done in secret. This time he stiffed everyone he owed money to.

There is much more and I could go on.

This post is not for Alamosupporter or Ivy or the others. It's for those who get on this website and see all this finger pointing and don't know who to believe. It's another case of Tony lying and stealing that can be verified from independant sources just like the "Messiah" book.

Again I know it pales in comparison to the other things he is now doing but it is another opportunity for those who care to see who is really the liar.

[beccasue1975 (beccasue1975)]

Ian,

Thank you.

Rebecca

[helives (helives)]

Posted on Tuesday, November 01, 2005 - 9:10 am:

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Attack - I can almost hear Tony's cry through the phone lines.

Dig up any dirt you can, anyone who has any stories- write em! It is familiar to us, been there, done that. old news!

So sad - you've had to stoop so low - going on google and trying to find dirt on someone. shame shame shame

You are desperate to prove beccasue is a liar! Discredit her -

Too bad it doesn't work - the truth about the inner workings of the foundation only become clearer to all who read.

All your venom and rage will not stop becca or anyone else who wants to post the facts about Tony Alamo.

There are so many people reading these boards, I just hope they can overcome their fear of Tony and post what they know to be true. This could be your chance to stand up to Tony.
God knows we never did while we were part of the Alamo foundation.

You've proved our point - say something about Tony and the attack is on.

What is sad is - most of the attacks are coming from people who didn't live in the foundation at the time , or were little babies- not even Tony will get on here and defend his own name.


We all know if one stirs up the hornets nest - they will get a few stings.

[iasmann (iasmann)]

alamosupporter,

Thanks for your post about the wine and marijuana.

I had completely forgotten but Tony was arrested and spent a night in the tank for being drunk and disorderly in public. Tom Barnett dropped him off at some club or something like that in Beverly Hills. Later he came home by himself acting very mysterious. The next AM Tony called from jail and had Tom come and pick him up. Again this can be easily verified as it is a matter of public record.

I enjoy your posts alamosupporter keep em coming.

[jewels81475 (jewels81475)]

okay Ivy, I forgot that your a child, so i'll rephrase the whole Holly thing..Here goes, are you ready, got those little baby ears on?
Holly is a very happy, beautiful person as well as spirit with two beautiful children, she has a husband who loves her with every inch of his being, he also is religious and loves his Heavenly Father above all, but we don't love our spouses the same way we love our Heavenly Father, now do we? Is that better for you, I asked my eight year old daughter if she understood what I just said to you and she said she did, so hopefully that is more clear to you and you won't be so confused and have to call me evil things. I am not an evil or sick pig. And i am definetely not a filthy minded wretch, those sound like Tony words all the way! Thank you for your opinion though, we all have the freedom of that, now my opinion of you: I regret to say that I believe you are a brainwashed child who knows no better than to "worship" your god:Tony Alamo and that's really really sad because there is so much better in the world than you see in his (i'll steal your word) wretched little world. I feel so sorry for you Ivy and I love you, even I know nothing of you except your that your blind, I love you and pray for your soul. Jesus said suffer the children to come unto me, not suffer the children to come unto Tony. I feel so sorry for those little girls who are exposed to that old man.
Ivy you don't have to be scared or intimidated by him, there is better out there for you, I promise. Seek God, without the consult of Tony and see what he says to you.
Julie Armstrong

[alamosupporter (alamosupporter)]

iansmann--- yeah, you know what? beccasue was paying for items with the people's money she stole. iansmann, you must have selective vision. I call bias. Anyone can and should look at beccasue's eBay site. do you want me to copy and paste every remark there left by people she ripped off? maybe a little later I will. iansmann, you are just siding with a liar as well. Maybe just putting your foot in your mouth again as beccasue stated you do alot and is your version of christianity. being unconverted as Peter was when he denied the Lord before being endued with the power from on high. You still haven't denied this all. So from a worldly perspective you are all O.K. but for someone like me who's striving for godliness you all fall horribly short. taking the side over a liar rather than the truth even in such a seemingly small issue just proves that you would do it for more serious and larger lies. iansmann, you were in that church for what, over 20 years? why don't you share some of the godly, powerful testimonies that you saw take place there for the edification of the Lord? people coming to the alter weeping from falling under conviction from the Holy Spirit through annointed preaching? you traitor. you judas iscariot antichrist devil. you are all the weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth that will be heard forever and ever. you are all wailing already, "but tony, but tony" you worms!!!
lol!!! God's going to laugh at your calamity and we'll be laughing right there with Him.

[helives (helives)]

Here is a post that was posted on the Tom Smith thread. I found this post very distrubing.

helplessly_confused (helplessly_confused)
New member
Username: helplessly_confused

Post Number: 1
Registered: 11-2005
Posted From: 64.12.116.200
Posted on Tuesday, November 01, 2005 - 12:22 pm:

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say what ever you want but i will not say who i am. yes, it is because i am afraid of what will happen to me.

i am a current member of this church you are all speaking about. i am so confused. most of what has been said is completely true. i hope i don't go to hell for what i am about to do.

so many things have changed since you all were here. you wouldnt believe it if i told you.

the stuff you are reading about the wives and beatings are all true. it is even worse than what you have been told though.

i don't know why i am still here. truthfully i am afraid to live out there on my own. i dont think at this point i could make it. too much time has passed. i live in constant fear of God, hell, Tony finding out that i am so confused.

I wish Tony would tell us why God constantly changes his mind (according to the messages Tony brings) and why is it okay for him to have children as wives? and why is it okay for him to have babies with other women? and why is it okay for us to lie and say horrible unGodly things to ex church members? I have so many questions and so few answers.

This message board is making my head spin. There is so much proof and yet it is still so hard to go.

Somehow i feel like annonymously posting this will give me strength to do what i must do later.

Please, pray for all of us here.

God is still real but our existance here in the hosue of God is apparently less real every day.

Please speak only truth and try to leave your own personal feelings of resentment out of it.

helplessly confused

[alamosupporter (alamosupporter)]

oh that's good iansmann, just make chris19 feel good about his weed smoking/twisting scripture. you are so far gone. i wonder if all the people out in radio land would agree with your methods. well, they probably would because that's probably the type audience you pull. unconverted, unregenerated sinners like you and the rest of you. beccasue, jody, double_j, chris19, and many others who are walking in utter darkness coming on here drunk, stoned, insane throwing all kinds of acco's they have heard or greatly exagerated stories of things that might have happened.
a guy i know at work didn't like how the company had installed cameras on the job pointing at us watching us working so he took a stick and moved the camera. well, as the story passed around when it got to me it turned into that he hit a casual with a stick. you people are idle babblers, i heard this, i heard that, blah blah blah as iansmann so eloquently puts it. you're all like a pack of dogs, licking each others wounds. too bad you don't have God for comfort. you have to come here and tell your sob story. how terrible. poor you. feel beter?

[alamosupporter (alamosupporter)]

helives--- nice try. it's almost believable until you read the part that says, "and why is it okay for us to lie and say horrible unGodly things to ex church members?" that's where you blew it. because I happen to know 100% that that is not a true statement. again, you are a horde of liars.

[helives (helives)]

alamosupporter - don't attack the messenger - I just found a distrubing post and put it on this page.

I didn't write it. I only tried to help this person with words of encouragment.

take your railings elsewhere. You don't know me

[jules11468 (jules11468)]

I thought this was the "kids" thread??? What happened?

[helives (helives)]

jules
the thread for the kids that becca started is has capital and small letters,

Jeanne started this thread with the same name however it is all with capital letters

I think we are all trying to respect the kids and that special thread.

[jules11468 (jules11468)]

Oh sorry! With all these new threads, its hard to keep up!

Hey, tell Jas I said Hi!

[alamosupporter (alamosupporter)]

help, i'm a prisoner in a fortune cookie factory!!

[helives (helives)]

Hey Jules
It is so nice to hear from you and lots of other people. I realize that people inside the foundation believe that we are all in contact with each. However that is not true and there are lots of my friends no longer at the foundation that I wish i knew where they were.

Like Tom smith said - he had just been to Fresno a few months back. He didn't know we lived here. I only live a few hours away from Denise and Darren. I've asked Denise for Darrens number since he only lives an hour from me. It would be great to see Darren and Denise.
Darren I sent my number and email address to Denise, get it from her. I would love to talk to you.

Anyways Jules - it's always nice to hear from you and glad to know you and all the other kids (now adults) and adults (now senior citizens!) who left the foundation are doing well and are living happy blessed lives. Take care of yourself and your family.

Sue B

[iasmann (iasmann)]

"he hit a casual with a stick"

What is hitting a casual with a stick? You're not making much sense here alamosupporter.

[somedude (somedude)]

i know what he's talking about. it's obvious stupid. he's saying you're all gossipers and he was using an analogy about the game telephone and comparing it to some of you. that was easy to figure out. stories change dramatically as their passed around.

[anonymous2 (anonymous2)]

since we are reading these things from the people themselves i guess they couldn't have been passed around and changed now could they?

[ivy (ivy)]

alamosupporter,
I believe strongly that Sue Balsley or one of their other cult members is "helplessly confused". They are making up new names on the message board to use as a weak attack against the ministry. Anyone who has been at the church knows that if you don't want to be there you can just leave. YOU ARE NOT FOOLING ANY ONE "HELPLESSLY CONFUSED" Confusion is not of the Lord. If you were a true Christian you would not be confused or helpless. God never leaves His children "helpless". Put on the mind of Christ and there will be no confusion. Also, quit your lying because you will have a place in the lake of fire.

[double_j (double_j)]

Alamo supproter wrote to me....
"why should we believe you Jared? you're probably just another liar like rebeccasue turned out to be. tony probably hurt your feelings by asking you to leave his church and now you're tramatized over it. Jared, Tony has rules there and you didn't want to keep them and he asked you and your whole family to go." that's all I've seen Tony do, put people out. so now you're disgruntled and into satanic music and
believe there are other gods and obviously have a wild immagination according to someposts I saw you leave on another Christian website saying "would it be ok to kill 300 people, would I still go to heaven?" that's just a crazy question. I wonder what the FBI would say about that. Are you considering killing 300 people Jared? why would you ask such a question? to see his question just go here. ->
http://www.christian-forum.net/lofiversion/index.php/t562.html

WELL FIRST OFF....I dont go around asking questions about god....ever think there is more than one double Jout there in this world????/ Nice try. And no I dont need to lie about it.....Cuzz I dont give a crap. It should be very apperant from all my other posts I dont ask questions about why god did this or what ever that crap is on that web site....#1 ...I never heard of that web site....# 2...not my cup of tea to go to christain web sites....Id rather watch the weather channel than debate God with you or some other moron...... most definately another double J.....
As far as me being disgruntled....AAAHhh Hardly...lol. No I am not. As a matter of fact, I am happy, with 4 beautiful children (that will not and dont get beaten), I have a gret job and a family that loves me....Id say thats pretty content.....Wouldnt you?????


You said Tony Had rules and I dint want to keep them, so he aasked me to go...HA .....thats what he told you....Yet another lie from him.....Actualy, I was accused by Gleen Grickson of throwing an grapefruit out of a window, and hitting a winshield and cracking it. i told Tony Allamo I wasnt the one who did it....tonay Alamo said..."GOD TOLD ME IT WS YOU< AND YOU ARE LYING".
problem is....I didnt do it....Edven Levi Willis said I couldnt of done it, cuz I was sitting next to him...... However Tony insisted the LORD was telling him I did it....(it wasnt the Lord he was talking or hearing)....He ordered me to recieve 70 swatts. I said no...I wasnt goin to get them, cuzz i didnt do it. He then told me I was getting kicked out. Put me on a plane the next day, and had me fly to LA to meet my parents...... You know, i probably would have taken those swatts that day, If I had really trwon that orange.......But i did not do it...Tony Alamo is a liar and a fake.

As far as me being a liar....Ummm NO... There is not much i hate....But a liar is one of them.

These things happenednot only to myself, but to my friends, and my brother.

Now lets get back to the fact that none of these Tony Alamo supporters will address the main issues on this board. That is the CHILD ABUSE issue, and the polygamy issue.....It seems that every time an Alamo supporter or wife or someone posts, they only quote scriptures and avoid the direct issue of the beatings that took place on the Ridge in Arkansas and the multiple wives or concubines that Tony Alamo has.

That is great that people write letters to Tony Alamo and thank him for helping him...... Thats great that people survived, when they were
down and out. (I believe that would be by Gods graces though that they are still alive not a mans graces....but who am I to say) Thats great
that people in other countries have found Christ, and feel better about their lives. I wonder if they know that Tony Alamo is married to more than one woman? All these people posting on here talk about how good Tony Alamo has treated them, and we all know how good he can quote scriptures, still it does not change that fact that Tony Alamo
practices polygamy.

Now lets talk about the child abuse issue for a minute...

All these letters from people who are thanking Tony Alamo for them
finding God,and bring Christ into their lives, still does not change the facts that Tony Alamo ordered many CHILDREN back in the 80's to be
beaten with a board....( I don't know if he still does this these days, for I had enough back in the 80's and said no more, and we got kicked out) Some were beaten so badly they were bleeding. (this I know because it happened to my brother) There were times I was beaten so badly It would take me a minute (literally a minute) or more to sit down, and every time I would move, the pain would course though my body. I would be black and blue on my butt for weeks at a time. I remember one time I was hit, I believe it was 40 times, it may have been 70 but think it was 40 times with a board for holding my breathe in class and I passed out in the class room. Luckily,when I fell
backwards (unconscious) my head hit a pile of books that were on the floor next to my desk, otherwise my head would have probably split
open from hitting the tile.....It was a stupid trick I know, but I had just figured out by dong this you could make yourself dizzy, and was
showing it to my classmates. I got BEATEN at Tony Alamos house for that. It may sound like a childish and foolish thing to do (holding
your breathe to get dizzy) but at the time I was only a child. I believe I was 13 years old when this happened. . Did that really deserve to beaten with a 2x4? Holding your breathe in class.... Man what a horrible sin against God.

Post all the letters (whether they are true or fake)....What does that have to do with the fact that many children were severely beaten
at the hand of Tony Alamo or beaten after given the orders from Tony Alamo back in the 80's at the Ridge, inside Tony Alamos "Spec House"?

Tony Alamo will be eventually be held accountable in a court of law. You can not beat children and then just think that you can get away with it by quoting scriptures and calling people whores, homos, imps,devils, back-sliders, punks...etc....... It does not matter if it was
15+ years ago or not. I finally have built up enough courage to tell just part of my story and tell some of the stories of others I know
who have been beaten or abused at the Alamo Foundation back in the 80's at the hands and orders of Tony Alamo. Did Tony Alamo and Susan Alamo help young and old, destitute and broke
people get on their feet and find God.... .Yes.....Did Tony Alamo
order those peoples children to be beaten back in the 80's.... Yes It doesn't matter how long ago these children were abused, and I am including myself....the fact is he still had children beaten, and some times these children were beaten to a bloody pulp. By LAW they were physically abused. Tony Alamo can still be, and probably will be charged for some of these crimes that he has committed against children. Call me all the
names you want. Yes I am a backslider, yes at times I can have a foul mouth.......That still does not change the fact that many children
were beaten at the Alamo Foundation at the orders of Tony Alamo. That is a fact. It will remain a fact.

Double J...AKA - Jared Balsley (and yes there are other double j's in the world)
Go ahead ...Im waiting for the attack on me..... Tell me how Im a Imp, big mouth, call me a liar, say Im disgruntled.....Fact is....Tony Alamo has abused far too many children, I will continue to post what happened to me, my brother and my frieds until this lunatic is stopped.

[rattlesnake (rattlesnake)]

Ivy: Someone comes on here and says they are confused and you persecute him or her and tell them they will have a place in the lake of fire. If that was me, your behaviour right there would send me racing in the other direction.

That was just plain old not nice!!!

[double_j (double_j)]

Alamo supproter wrote to me....

"why should we believe you Jared? you're probably just another liar like rebeccasue turned out to be. tony probably hurt your feelings by asking you to leave his church and now you're tramatized over it. Jared, Tony has rules there and you didn't want to keep them and he asked you and your whole family to go." that's all I've seen Tony do, put people out. so now you're disgruntled and into satanic music and
believe there are other gods and obviously have a wild immagination according to someposts I saw you leave on another Christian website saying "would it be ok to kill 300 people, would I still go to heaven?" that's just a crazy question. I wonder what the FBI would say about that. Are you considering killing 300 people Jared? why would you ask such a question? to see his question just go here. ->
http://www.christian-forum.net/lofiversion/index.php/t562.html

WELL FIRST OFF....I dont go around asking questions about god....ever think there is more than one Double J out there in this world????/ Nice try. And no I dont need to lie about it.....Cuzz I dont give a crap. It should be very apperant from all my other posts I dont ask questions about why God did this or what ever that crap is on that web site....#1 ...I never heard of that web site....# 2...not my cup of tea to go to christain web sites....Id rather watch the weather channel than debate God with you or some other moron...... most definately another Double J.....
As far as me being disgruntled....Aaaahhh Hardly...lol. No I am not. As a matter of fact, I am happy, with 4 beautiful children (that will not and dont get beaten), I have a great job and a family that loves me....I'd say thats pretty content.....Wouldnt you?????


You said "Tony had rules" and I "didn't want to keep them, so he aasked me to leave" HA ..... is thats what he told you? Well if so, then yet another lie from him. Actually, I was accused by Glen Grickson of throwing an grapefruit out of a bus window, and hitting a winshield and cracking it. I told Tony Alamo I wasn't the one who did it....Tony Alamo said..."GOD TOLD ME IT WS YOU AND YOU ARE LYING".

Problem is....I didnt do it....Even Levi Willis said I couldnt of done it, cuzz I was sitting next to him. However Tony insisted the LORD was telling him I did it....(it wasnt the Lord he was talking or hearing)....He ordered me to recieve 70 swatts. I said no...I wasn't going to get them, cuzz i didnt do it. He then told me I was getting kicked out. Put me on a plane the next day, and had me fly to LA to meet my parents...... You know, I probably would have taken those swats that day, If I had really thrown that orange/gapefruit.......But I did not do it. Tony Alamo is a liar and a fake.

As far as ME being a liar....Ummm NO... There is not much I hate....But a liar is one of them.

These things happened not only to myself, but to my friends, and my brother when we were involved with the Alamo Foundation bac in the 80's.

Now lets get back to the fact that none of these Tony Alamo supporters will address the main issues on this board. That is the CHILD ABUSE issue, and the polygamy issue.....It seems that every time an Alamo supporter or wife or someone posts, they only quote scriptures and avoid the direct issue of the beatings that took place on the Ridge in Arkansas and the multiple wives or concubines that Tony Alamo has.

That is great that people write letters to Tony Alamo and thank him for helping him...... Thats great that people survived, when they were
down and out. (I believe that would be by Gods graces though that they are still alive not a mans graces....but who am I to say) Thats great
that people in other countries have found Christ, and feel better about their lives. I wonder if they know that Tony Alamo is married to more than one woman? All these people posting on here talk about how good Tony Alamo has treated them, and we all know how good he can quote scriptures, still it does not change that fact that Tony Alamo
practices polygamy.

Now lets talk about the child abuse issue for a minute...

All these letters from people who are thanking Tony Alamo for them
finding God,and bring Christ into their lives, still does not change the facts that Tony Alamo ordered many CHILDREN back in the 80's to be
beaten with a board....( I don't know if he still does this these days, for I had enough back in the 80's and said no more, and we got kicked out) Some were beaten so badly they were bleeding. (this I know because it happened to my brother) There were times I was beaten so badly It would take me a minute (literally a minute) or more to sit down, and every time I would move, the pain would course though my body. I would be black and blue on my butt for weeks at a time. I remember one time I was hit, I believe it was 40 times, it may have been 70 but think it was 40 times with a board for holding my breathe in class and I passed out in the class room. Luckily,when I fell
backwards (unconscious) my head hit a pile of books that were on the floor next to my desk, otherwise my head would have probably split
open from hitting the tile.....It was a stupid trick I know, but I had just figured out by dong this you could make yourself dizzy, and was
showing it to my classmates. I got BEATEN at Tony Alamos house for that. It may sound like a childish and foolish thing to do (holding
your breathe to get dizzy) but at the time I was only a child. I believe I was 13 years old when this happened. . Did that really deserve to beaten with a 2x4? Holding your breathe in class.... Man what a horrible sin against God.

Post all the letters (whether they are true or fake)....What does that have to do with the fact that many children were severely beaten
at the hand of Tony Alamo or beaten after given the orders from Tony Alamo back in the 80's at the Ridge, inside Tony Alamos "Spec House"?

Tony Alamo will be eventually be held accountable in a court of law. You can not beat children and then just think that you can get away with it by quoting scriptures and calling people whores, homos, imps,devils, back-sliders, punks...etc....... It does not matter if it was
15+ years ago or not. I finally have built up enough courage to tell just part of my story and tell some of the stories of others I know
who have been beaten or abused at the Alamo Foundation back in the 80's at the hands and orders of Tony Alamo. Did Tony Alamo and Susan Alamo help young and old, destitute and broke
people get on their feet and find God.... .Yes.....Did Tony Alamo
order those peoples children to be beaten back in the 80's.... Yes It doesn't matter how long ago these children were abused, and I am including myself....the fact is he still had children beaten, and some times these children were beaten to a bloody pulp. By LAW they were physically abused. Tony Alamo can still be, and probably will be charged for some of these crimes that he has committed against children. Call me all the
names you want. Yes I am a backslider, yes at times I can have a foul mouth.......That still does not change the fact that many children
were beaten at the Alamo Foundation at the orders of Tony Alamo. That is a fact. It will remain a fact.

Double J...AKA - Jared Balsley (and yes there are other double j's in the world)
Go ahead ...Im waiting for the attack on me..... Tell me how Im a Imp, big mouth, call em a liear, say Im disgruntled.....Fact is....Tony Alamo has abused far too many children, i will continue to post what happened to me, my brother and my frieds until this lunatic is stopped.

[ivy (ivy)]

Rattlesnake,
you are so easily taken by these fakes. That person is not in the church. The speech is easily detected. When I left the church. I walked away. That simple. Do I regret it?? YES!! I am here because I put myself here. I know that I belong with the people of God and that is what I intend to do.

[rattlesnake (rattlesnake)]

Ivy.. and just what if you were mistaken? There is always that possibility.. try to keep an open mind here!! What kind of a message did you send? Please think about it because I really don't think that was very Godly and it is not sending out a very impressive message to anyone reading this site.

[holdol27 (holdol27)]

no ivy you're just so weak and pathetic now after being under tony's rule that you don't know what to do with yourself outside of the "church". you probably have no career or family or friends outside do u..........poor thing run back to papa tony

[double_j (double_j)]

Alamo supproter wrote to me....

"why should we believe you Jared? you're probably just another liar like rebeccasue turned out to be. tony probably hurt your feelings by asking you to leave his church and now you're tramatized over it. Jared, Tony has rules there and you didn't want to keep them and he asked you and your whole family to go." that's all I've seen Tony do, put people out. so now you're disgruntled and into satanic music and
believe there are other gods and obviously have a wild immagination according to someposts I saw you leave on another Christian website saying "would it be ok to kill 300 people, would I still go to heaven?" that's just a crazy question. I wonder what the FBI would say about that. Are you considering killing 300 people Jared? why would you ask such a question? to see his question just go here. ->
http://www.christian-forum.net/lofiversion/index.php/t562.html

WELL FIRST OFF....I dont go around asking questions about god....ever think there is more than one Double J out there in this world????/ Nice try. And no I dont need to lie about it.....Cuzz I dont give a crap. It should be very apperant from all my other posts I dont ask questions about why God did this or what ever that crap is on that web site....#1 ...I never heard of that web site....# 2...not my cup of tea to go to christain web sites....Id rather watch the weather channel than debate God with you or some other moron...... most definately another Double J.....
As far as me being disgruntled....Aaaahhh Hardly...lol. No I am not. As a matter of fact, I am happy, with 4 beautiful children (that will not and dont get beaten), I have a great job and a family that loves me....I'd say thats pretty content.....Wouldnt you?????


You said "Tony had rules" and I "didn't want to keep them, so he aasked me to leave" HA ..... is thats what he told you? Well if so, then yet another lie from him. Actually, I was accused by Glen Grickson of throwing an grapefruit out of a bus window, and hitting a winshield and cracking it. I told Tony Alamo I wasn't the one who did it....Tony Alamo said..."GOD TOLD ME IT WS YOU AND YOU ARE LYING".

Problem is....I didnt do it....Even Levi Willis said I couldnt of done it, cuzz I was sitting next to him. However Tony insisted the LORD was telling him I did it....(it wasnt the Lord he was talking or hearing)....He ordered me to recieve 70 swatts. I said no...I wasn't going to get them, cuzz i didnt do it. He then told me I was getting kicked out. Put me on a plane the next day, and had me fly to LA to meet my parents...... You know, I probably would have taken those swats that day, If I had really thrown that orange/gapefruit.......But I did not do it. Tony Alamo is a liar and a fake.

As far as ME being a liar....Ummm NO... There is not much I hate....But a liar is one of them.

These things happened not only to myself, but to my friends, and my brother when we were involved with the Alamo Foundation bac in the 80's.

Now lets get back to the fact that none of these Tony Alamo supporters will address the main issues on this board. That is the CHILD ABUSE issue, and the polygamy issue.....It seems that every time an Alamo supporter or wife or someone posts, they only quote scriptures and avoid the direct issue of the beatings that took place on the Ridge in Arkansas and the multiple wives or concubines that Tony Alamo has.

That is great that people write letters to Tony Alamo and thank him for helping him...... Thats great that people survived, when they were
down and out. (I believe that would be by Gods graces though that they are still alive not a mans graces....but who am I to say) Thats great
that people in other countries have found Christ, and feel better about their lives. I wonder if they know that Tony Alamo is married to more than one woman? All these people posting on here talk about how good Tony Alamo has treated them, and we all know how good he can quote scriptures, still it does not change that fact that Tony Alamo
practices polygamy.

Now lets talk about the child abuse issue for a minute...

All these letters from people who are thanking Tony Alamo for them
finding God,and bring Christ into their lives, still does not change the facts that Tony Alamo ordered many CHILDREN back in the 80's to be
beaten with a board....( I don't know if he still does this these days, for I had enough back in the 80's and said no more, and we got kicked out) Some were beaten so badly they were bleeding. (this I know because it happened to my brother) There were times I was beaten so badly It would take me a minute (literally a minute) or more to sit down, and every time I would move, the pain would course though my body. I would be black and blue on my butt for weeks at a time. I remember one time I was hit, I believe it was 40 times, it may have been 70 but think it was 40 times with a board for holding my breathe in class and I passed out in the class room. Luckily,when I fell
backwards (unconscious) my head hit a pile of books that were on the floor next to my desk, otherwise my head would have probably split
open from hitting the tile.....It was a stupid trick I know, but I had just figured out by dong this you could make yourself dizzy, and was
showing it to my classmates. I got BEATEN at Tony Alamos house for that. It may sound like a childish and foolish thing to do (holding
your breathe to get dizzy) but at the time I was only a child. I believe I was 13 years old when this happened. . Did that really deserve to beaten with a 2x4? Holding your breathe in class.... Man what a horrible sin against God.

Post all the letters (whether they are true or fake)....What does that have to do with the fact that many children were severely beaten
at the hand of Tony Alamo or beaten after given the orders from Tony Alamo back in the 80's at the Ridge, inside Tony Alamos "Spec House"?

Tony Alamo will be eventually be held accountable in a court of law. You can not beat children and then just think that you can get away with it by quoting scriptures and calling people whores, homos, imps,devils, back-sliders, punks...etc....... It does not matter if it was
15+ years ago or not. I finally have built up enough courage to tell just part of my story and tell some of the stories of others I know
who have been beaten or abused at the Alamo Foundation back in the 80's at the hands and orders of Tony Alamo. Did Tony Alamo and Susan Alamo help young and old, destitute and broke
people get on their feet and find God.... .Yes.....Did Tony Alamo
order those peoples children to be beaten back in the 80's.... Yes It doesn't matter how long ago these children were abused, and I am including myself....the fact is he still had children beaten, and some times these children were beaten to a bloody pulp. By LAW they were physically abused. Tony Alamo can still be, and probably will be charged for some of these crimes that he has committed against children. Call me all the
names you want. Yes I am a backslider, yes at times I can have a foul mouth.......That still does not change the fact that many children
were beaten at the Alamo Foundation at the orders of Tony Alamo. That is a fact. It will remain a fact.

Double J...AKA - Jared Balsley (and yes there are other double j's in the world)
Go ahead ...Im waiting for the attack on me..... Tell me how Im a Imp, big mouth, call me a liar, say Im disgruntled.....Fact is....Tony Alamo has abused far too many children, I will continue to post what happened to me, my brother and my frieds until this lunatic is stopped.

[iasmann (iasmann)]

Thanks for the clarification. I'd never heard the term.

Telephone - you mean like first he made 100 corrections to the Messiah book then then he made 500. Is that it.

As I said I'm not posting to you or for you. Anyone who doesn't know who to believe can simply examine a bunch of public records. I've seen the credit apps from Jim Reed Chevrolet. Anyone can examine the statements I'm making to see if it's "telephone" or not. So far nothing any Alamo supporter has posted can be verified except by another Alamo supporter. I've posted things that can be verified by anybody.

[alamosupporter (alamosupporter)]

this is getting boring and tedious but I'll answer that very briefly again. I have verified:
1. that beacca levy gay is a thief and a liar. this is from many different ebayers. and her account was suspended by eBay.


It has been 17 days since payment, no item. Seller won't repsond to emails
Buyer tinabluez27ky ( 24) Jul-27-05 20:25 5406761459


never recieved shorts in the middle of trying to get my money back from pay pal
Buyer efko227 ( 13) Jul-26-05 14:03 6783684892


this is the worst seller I have ever dealt with, no response to emails no jeans!
Buyer geege66 ( 124) Jul-25-05 15:18 5406691620

No Communication. After filed complaint club arrived terrible condition. Beware!

Item not received; refund from Paypal; death in family.
Buyer griswolds_funnyfarm ( 71) Mar-07-05 14:12 5552185823
Reply by beccasue1975: Couldn't help death in family - Reffunded money - Sorry...... Mar-17-05 17:08
Follow-up by griswolds_funnyfarm: Lied &amp; said item shipped; another excuse was computer crashed.

26 DAYS-NO RESPONSE TO CALLS/EMAILS-NO PRODUCT-FILED FOR REFUND! AWFUL SELLER!
Buyer yvettedem ( 582) Feb-21-05 04:58 5552185823
Reply by beccasue1975: Spoke to buyer svrl xs- sudden death in my family &amp; bad address by buyer delay Feb-21-05 18:43
Follow-up by yvettedem: lied said computer died..PAYPAL ref money! should have read lousy feedback 1st

Excellent buyer. Quick payment. Great ebayer!!!!!
Seller gvodbargainhouse ( 2330) Dec-13-02 05:32 1978656932
Follow-up by gvodbargainhouse: Worst Buyer EVER!!!! Very Vulgar E-Mail!!!! AVOID THIS HOTHEAD-BIG TROUBLE!!!!!! Dec-17-02 16:20
Reply by beccasue1975: Seller listed dvd as NEW It came SCRATCHED and WITH OUT the box in a cd sleeve

won and bought it june 6th and it is july 13 still no item
Buyer snskodiholt ( 8 ) Jul-13-02 18:51 2028594880
Reply by beccasue1975: total cmptr crash rspncbl 4 Dlay. u can C frm my fdbk I hve nvr had ths prob B4 Jul-21-02 21:17


won and bought it june 6th and it is july 13 still no item
Buyer snskodiholt ( 8 ) Jul-13-02 18:51 2028597250
Reply by beccasue1975: total cmptr crash rspncbl 4 delay. she got itms xctly as described. unpleaseable Jul-21-02 21:15


Item purchased on June 5th. Shipping promised weeks ago. Not sent &amp; no response
Buyer stlchef ( 94) Jul-10-02 15:47 2028594382
Reply by beccasue1975: total cmptrcrash rspncbl 4 Dlay.U can C frm my fdbk hve nvr had ths prob B4 Jul-21-02 21:20

wow, you're computer crashes alot. how come it's only after you receive their money? and then it never crashes when you want to but something. do you know whats it's like to buy something from someone and you send them the money and then you never get the item? and then you look at their account and see that they're buying things from other people meanwhile they don't answer your emails when you're trying to find out where your stuff is and then on top of that they throw you a load of bull on top of it? you people are very unjust




ok 2. again, you're horrible doctrine (you)
3. admittance of the use of illegal drugs on the internet (cris curry)
4. admittance you being a drunk (jody)
5 bill_l, well, he speaks for himself just read his posts and you can see what a creepy dude he is. i think he's a phoney though. i bet if i seen him he wouldn't want to tangle with me.


these things are "verified" so why are you saying we haven't verified anything? it's mostly out of your own mouths except your pitiful excuses for rebecca levy gay

[anonymous2 (anonymous2)]

alamosupporter
these posts are not about them now are they? this is about TONY ALAMO and how he runs his ministry.

[beccasue1975 (beccasue1975)]

Alamo Supporter...

In case you are retarded let me explain for you... the people pay for
their Ebay stuff ONLINE via PayPal. You dont have to have internet
access to receive it. It just posts to a bank account. I had no
computer for about 48 days. When I got my computer back I reffunded
all money. Geeze you are unreal!

[alamosupporter (alamosupporter)]

uh huh

[holdol27 (holdol27)]

alamosupporter--GO AWAY

[rattlesnake (rattlesnake)]

Beccasue, just ignore alamosupporter, no one else cares what he says about the ebay thing. It has nothing to do with anything that any of you all have told and collaberated together to portray a picture to the public of how Alamo operates. He is just trying to annoy and distract you all from telling your stories and trying to make you all look bad so that hopefully others will focus on you and not alamo. He is succeeding to a degree so shut him down, ignore him. The more you all argue back, the happier this idiot is. The important thing is that you tell your story so SHOUT it from the mountain tops!!!!
Mistakes happen and everyone makes them, we are all human. It is when we do things like abuse children, raping and beating etc. Those are not mistakes, those are horrible crimes and telling about that to the world will get a lot more attention than some ebay messup and a few disgruntled buyers. Let it go and ignore him. If he wants to support Tony, let him, who cares? Maybe he can sit in the cell next to Tony and they can comfort each other and dry each other tears.

You know in your heart the truth and that is all that matters!!!!

Add Your Message Here

[holdol27 (holdol27)]

RATTLESNAKE----do i know u? this is holly

[rattlesnake (rattlesnake)]

No, but I wish you did because you all sound like some really wonderful people. Don't let this idiot get to you guys!!
He reminds me of the annoying little kid who keeps saying.. "I know you are but what am I?" You eventually get to the point where you want to strangle the little twit!!! But if you ignore it.. it does go away. Kind of like a fire with no fuel.. it will burn itself out.

[holdol27 (holdol27)]

wasn't that peewee herman that said "i know u are but what am i"? lol well how are u affilated with all of us crazy ex-cult members?

[jewels81475 (jewels81475)]

So rattlesnake, who are you anyways, were you in the foundation at any time?

[alamosupporter (alamosupporter)]

oh, you adore pee wee huh? the one one who was convicted of having child porn and exposing himself in public? he's funny! http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/lol.gif
NOT!!!

[rattlesnake (rattlesnake)]

I have my own history from long time ago. However time does not fade the need to try to put down and stop someone who uses power to meet his own needs and at the expense of others. Hearing that he is still going strong invokes in me a holy wrath and I want to see him stopped. If all I can do right now is pray and encourage you all, then I will do that to the best of my ability. And I am not alone in that, you guys have a lot of people praying for you.
PeeWee herman is awesome, isn't he?

[yomama (yomama)]

anonymous2 (anonymous2)
New member
Username: anonymous2

Post Number: 8
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 68.12.194.181
Posted on Tuesday, November 01, 2005 - 5:00 pm:

do you still think tony and susie are the two witnesses?
http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/smile.gifduuuh

[rattlesnake (rattlesnake)]

Actually, maybe I should take that back, his movies were awesome, I heard rumours he was a bit of a perv too.

[anonymous2 (anonymous2)]

yomama, isn't susie already dead?

[holdol27 (holdol27)]

funny movies but he is a bit of a perv in real life. so is your history from a long time ago in reference to the alamo cult or just another situation?

[rattlesnake (rattlesnake)]

I had my own brush with it, thank God not as involved as you all were.

[holdol27 (holdol27)]

did u ever meet mike or ann elmore?

[yomama (yomama)]

long time ago you must not be a x member. sorry I thought you were making a funny,http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/blush.gif my bad

[rattlesnake (rattlesnake)]

I don't recall a lot of names, then again, I am horrid with names at the best of times. However, I have also had aquaintences who were more involved than I became and they have family members still caught up in it.

Sorry yomamma, were you talking to me?

[yomama (yomama)]

no sorry rattlesnake i was thought anonymous2 made a funny I was responding to anonymous2
MY BAD againhttp://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/blush.gifhttp://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/blush.gif

[holdol27 (holdol27)]

jeanette---- where did u go? is it your night with tony? why do u say you are suprised about me? i'm the one that should be surprised here darlin..........u hooked up with old papa perv.......i think my hatred overrides my sadness!

[anonymous2 (anonymous2)]

yomama
your right that was a funny questionhttp://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/kiss.gif

[safenowinspite (safenowinspite)]

Rattlesnake, I agree with you. Its time to ignore them. Ive gone in enough chat rooms to know if you ignore them they eventually go away. I havent read any of the lengthy posts because I know the truth already and know where they are comming from. You wont wake them up , only God can do that . So if He gives you the words thats one thing, but if He doesnt youll argue with them all day and drive people away from the posts. This is an awesome idea for people to get together to get reaquainted without the hold on us to turn on one another . I enjoy your posts Rattlesnake. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/smile.gif

[jeanne (jeanne)]

Although I appear to be Jeanne - I am not!
My email address is: streitrobert@aol.com
Please, send me an email.

[rattlesnake (rattlesnake)]

Hey Bob!! How ya doing man!!!

(Message edited by rattlesnake on November 02, 2005)

[msweezell (msweezell)]

Strong Delusion was that you held the truth in righteousness, and seared is that we could no longer discern the difference between you and The Lord, I actually stood there and watched with my own eyes, a young child 13 years old being led by his parents into your house shaking with fear. A look on his face I can see to this day, I had no Idea what was going to happen next. I didn’t know what I was about to witness was a ritual. I just happened to be in the office. Aaron Willis (your wife Lydia’s relative I believe) was taken into the Big room, the one with the mirrored walls... And one door slammed shut... Tony already had his men in place before the child arrived. The office was buzzing with people, phones ringing, Probably Suzie Groulx making tapes, Rob Sweat coordinating tree crew, Gorbs in the corner reading the mail, LaRoache with the finance list in hand, Ann Mac screaming about the screamers, (for those of you who don’t know what a screamer is, it’s a bill collector). Terry Farr sashaying around, who knew what he did, that <font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font>... Ina upstairs is cleaning Tony’s toilets never knowing if the next message was about her. Tommy Scarscello with a bad tuna deal in hand, Bob Strite, flexing his only muscle, getting ready to hammer a 13 yr old kid. And the list goes on... There was almost no dialog, didn’t even let the boy speak, the sentence was in. The one man Jury, Tony had passed judgment and ordered the execution of punishment. to be administered by 5 men, (hardly the right word) 4 holding the boy face down, spread eagle, 2 men holding his legs apart, 2 men holding his arms out stretched, and one with a board so dam big I gasped, and the second door shut… Then through the closed doors the sound of that board shattering across that child’s body, I thought Oh My God please stop… (Good thing I said it in my heart, I would have been smote by Soshie)...And it went on and on and on…Tony calling out “who’s keeping count? 40 more!!! Our pastor, the one who I thought was likened unto the Good Sheppard stood there convinced The Lord told him this was A-ok...when the doors opened I thought they were going to carry out a corps. No one stood up and called 911, no one raised their voice to question this atrocity, and two more boys were led in. I left…Just what was this child’s transgression? Lying? , Rape? , Theft? , Murder? Everyone just carried on shuffling around as if this was routine, including me... confused and yet petrified knowing only to well to say anything would mean certain annihilation for questioning Tony’s supremacy, Tell a lie long enough and the people will believe it, you taught us that. Your misuse of Power turned into mayhem; soon after the beatings you took it to a whole other level to further fulfill your unseemly sexual desires by seducing several of our little virgin babes into your defiled bed by telling us The Lord said thus, thus and thus... And we all said a mighty AMEN!!!
It became very apparent, at least to me, that your house was no longer a conducive atmosphere for sound mental, spiritual or physical health. Just couldn’t back you up any longer, defending and trying to finance your bad PR was loathsome. I escaped shaking in my boots but it was so worth it…You People, (I will refer to you as that since that is what Tony reduced you to) need to throw some more old letters on here, call in the troops, get that old back-hoe out and dig up some more saintly smut so once again your folly is swept under the carpet, or better yet, tear that page out of the Bible. Bad feedback on e-bay, Pleeezzze... Countless noble souls left because of your delusions not Rebecca’s e-bay feedback... If your going to take the time and trouble to post on here please make it respectable, perhaps pretend you have a little intelligence... Word on the street is the FBI has been notified to monitor this site. Sincerely…. Risen

[rattlesnake (rattlesnake)]

Getting hot yet....Bob?

[the_fbi (the_fbi)]

yeah, we were notified about this site but we have better things to do with our time. right now, we're trying to really make the bush administration look good because their big time murderers and drug dealers and so it takes ALL our effort just to keep tying up loose ends and keep alot of pressure on all sorts of alternative media from telling the truth. matter of fact we nailed a few of them over in iraq, made it look like insurgents. it's great over there we can get away with all sorts of atrocities.
you know, but anyway, tony alamo, we're too busy for him and too many of you are known to be insane. A few of you have been committed and several have admitted to using drugs and being total drunks and it's quite a common thing for disgruntled ex members of any particular group to come against them with phony allegations etc. no, tony's been cleared. And if your wondering how we're here right now sending this message we constantly have employees scanning these types of boards for anyone using mentioning "FBI, CIA, SS, etc." So hope everyone has a great day!!

Bill Masterson - Special Internet Unit - FBI

[holdol27 (holdol27)]

fbi---lol u are truly retarded! lol---why the name? investigators usually don't introduce themselves as being so. lol

[holdol27 (holdol27)]

hey everyone!- its obvious now that the alamos are scared of what we are saying on this site that it why they have resorted to hacking into our computers to try and stop us......real christian-like of u! JERKS

[iasmann (iasmann)]

Tony did change his name after he was saved but not legally. He changed his name when he was in hiding to Harvey Cochran.

Harvey was a brother who got permanently disabled in a car wreck while out distributing Tony's literature. He had been at the foundation for about 20 years. After he was injured Tony didn't want to pay for his care so he dumped him in a nursing home and abandoned him. He said he was a weasel for having the accident. That's Tony's idea of Christian love.

Then Tony stole his ID when he went into hiding.

Nancy Ross says, "On July 5, 1991, Alamo was "captured" in Tampa, Florida where he and other church members openly operated a hardware store and family-style restaurant."

The coward was openly going under the name of Harvey Cochran and using Harvey's ID. Again this is indisputable fact that is backed by arrest records and court records. He was not going around under his own name like Nancy alleges.

Have you noticed the pattern yet. Everything Tony accuses everyone else off he is actually guilty of himself. The evidence he uses against them is based on hearsay and unprovable allegations. But God has arranged for the evidence against Tony to be 100% verifiable by sworn court testimony or other public records.

Of course Tony will say it's all a Vatican or Can plot blah, blah, blah. But think about this.

What are the chances that all these people from around the country are CAN members or Jesuit priests. You've got Jury members in Memphis, police officers in Tampa, a truck sales company in Arkansas, a bankruptcy court, his own website, a book written long before he got saved, a car dealer in Nashville, his own tax returns etc. The list goes on and on. They can't all be plants working for CAN or the Vatican but that's what Tony keeps saying. It's like a broken record. Just read Nancy Ross's story.

Not to mention dozens of people who have personally known him and have seen real atrocities far worse than anything mentioned here.

He wants to know why I don't talk about the altar calls full of souls with tears streaming down their faces. Because that hasn't happened over there in almost THIRTY years. That's why. All he has now is 15 year old testimonies from Chalais and Demoulin. It's pathetic. The scribes and pharisee's searched land and sea and got a proselyte. Tony's so pathetic he searches land and sea but can't come up with a new proselyte in 15 years.

Tony did destroy the foundation. It says so right in the Nancy Ross story. Tony gave up 52 million dollars worth of the Lord's property to the devil. Property that God had given to the church to use in winning souls that Christ died for. Tony gave it all away in a fit of uncontrollable rage when he had a little boy beaten 140 times with a 2 by 4. And when he lied on his tax return.

The bible says "He that covereth his sins shall not prosper:" that's why the Lord took away everything he had and threw him in jail.

We helped him to cover his sin that's why we ended up on the street as well. But we took heed to the second half of that scripture, "whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy" and Tony hardened his heart to it.

Tony is still covering up these sins decades later. I know many of the people posting for him are doing so because they are coerced. The Lord knows that and will have mercy. But some of you are grown men and women who know better and are in a position to stop what's going on just by going to the police and reporting it. There is no statute of limitations on child molestation. That's why all these catholic priests were busted 20 and 30 years after their crimes. It will never be too late to report this stuff until Tony is in the grave.

His greatest claim to fame is a bunch of letters from foreign countries from people who've never even met him. He writes tracts and preaches messages about stuff he doesn't practice anywhere but in his own mind.

Susie always used to say "if you want to know how to do something ask someone who's never done it." That about fits the bill for Tony's tracts.

[smitty (smitty)]

Posted on Friday, November 04, 2005 - 10:19 am:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Being somewhat klutzy w/ the computer, I can't seem to contact the Moderators of these threads. Would someone else who can PLEASE get ahold of them and get this crap cleaned up.

[rattlesnake (rattlesnake)]

I am sure that even God is cringing at this so called Christian language and behaviour that you alamo supporters use.
Probably even Tony would be disappointed in you because for an outsider to sit and read all of this, they would definately not believe that a leader who allowed his followers to speak and behave in such an outrageous and rude manner would be a leader led by God.

All the time that you spend trying to convince outsiders how righteous and godly Tony Alamo is, is blown to bits by all your nasty posts.

Seriously think about it from a mature point of view if you will. The Alamo supporters are the ones trying to prove that Tony is led by God and that everyone else is just trying to destroy Tony, for whatever reason.

If you, alamo supporters, had never heard of Tony Alamo, and you were seriously trying to get some sort of answers about whether or not he was truly led by God, would you find what you are saying very convincing?

I know you will come back at me with something rude, at this point I expect nothing less, but I think that if you really search your heart, deep down you know this is true.

If you truly believe that Tony is who you think he is, then do you not think that he is capable of defending himself?

And if you are truly worried about someone getting turned off from following Tony because of what the non-supporters are saying, consider this: If Tony really is chosen by God and God wanted to choose someone to be a follower of Him through Tony, do you not have enough confidence in God to see his will be done regardless of what is said on here?

Why don't you let God and Tony fight this battle instead of coming on here and making Tony and his ministry look like such an unattractive ministry?

Please really give this some consideration. Right now things don't look too attractive and as a "mostly" outsider, I have to tell you ... they ain't getting any better.

[jules11468 (jules11468)]

If you would like to only see the posts you want, you can set your "preferences" to have Factnet email you the new posts only.

That way when you see that the file size of the post is in the 200 range - you will know that it is one of TA's ramblings and you can hit the DELETE button. Its a beautiful thing! You wont have to scroll all the way down every thread, since copying and pasting is all he knows how to do.

[vborek (vborek)]

Melissa,

I am writing you in response to you outburst of railing accusations against my husband (your Father) Mike Borek, by calling him a “PATHALOGICAL LIAR� and that he has to PROVE to you, he had cancer.
Why is it so hard for you to believe that GOD has preformed a MIRACLE and Healed my Husband, of Cancer?
Isn’t that what GOD does?
Heal the sick?
Raise the Dead?
Cleanse the Leapers?
My Husband has always taken care of himself and has always been in top physical condition. Even up to the day he was admitted in the hospital and diagnosed with one of the “rarest� forms of Cancer called Gastro Intestinal Stromal Tumor (G.I.S.T.), he worked every day of his life.
He was admitted at Baptist Hospital in Nashville, TN in Oct. 2001.
He had 2 blood transfusions the first day he was in the hospital (from internal bleeding). His hemotecrit level was 14 and a man’s normal level is 42.
He was not expected to live through the surgery.
The surgeon removed a tumor the size of a cantaloupe and along with the cancer, half (1/2) of his stomach, one third (1/3) of his pancreas and his entire spleen.
And the cancer spread to his liver.
Dr. William Polk (Surgeon), Dr. William Penley (Oncologist) and Dr. James Sullivan (Physician) said he would NOT live 6 months.
At that time there was no treatment for this rare type of cancer.
Here we are, 4 years later alive &amp; well.
As far as your Grand Parents not telling you about this, your Father asked them not to.
Since he has told “you� about it himself, ask them?
Or are you going to call them liars too?!
Ask your Brothers – they were both there for the surgery &amp; recovery in the hospital.
Obviously, this is not about the truth of the matter.
Because, if it was……….. a person professing to be a Christian would not “question� the Power of God.
Sadly enough, if you need more proof – I have the documentation.

Let me know…
Valerie Borek

[false_prophet_detecter (false_prophet_detecter)]

What's going to happen has already happened. What you perceive is up to you.

[christophr19 (christophr19)]

3. admittance of the use of illegal drugs on the internet (cris curry---
Hey pooh breath, I lived in California where Medical Marihuana is legal and enjoyed by many.
So kiss my grits! Or better yet, go tell papa tony on me. You see, I could care less what you or your perverted guru think of me. If it bothered me for people to know, I would not have posted that info...now would I?

this was posted by ivy---Holly, You were at the footwash in L.A. maybe you didn't wash feet but you were there. I saw a picture of you and Jody and another girl there at the church in Saugas, CA. so if the raid was in 1991 and your parents "decided that Tony was a false prophet" and the footwash was in 1993 then your parents weren't too angry with Tony. If so then why did they take you to the footwash?---

Actually, Holly was not there. The groulx family, curry family, and Jeannie O. went to LA for a foot washing, but Holly did not go nor do I remember Jody being there. I also have pictures of that trip, we stopped at the grand canyon, stayed with the Ways, saw the Hunts, etc.

[holdol27 (holdol27)]

thanks chris lol and i started thinking i was crazy! well i am but thats beside the point!pass the joint biatch!

[holdol27 (holdol27)]

everyone of the {alamo supporters} on this message board are either streit or scarcello with tony standing over them approving what is said! pathetic

[holdol27 (holdol27)]

why do u think windy isn't on yet today? because tony is old and senile and sleeps till noon! lololol........can't fool me papa prick!

[holdol27 (holdol27)]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY LIZZY!

[wilma (wilma)]

Hey, Chris and Holly,
Guys, I have a pretty good memory. In this instance, Ivy is right. Holly, I realize you just don't remember, but you were at the footwashing in Saugus in Oct 1992. I have a really nice picture of you and Jeanne and Lizzy sitting together in the Saugus sanctuary. I don't remember if your Mom and Dad came. Aunt Dot would know...so would your Mom. Maybe you came with Pete Levin and his kids, cause they were there.

Ivy, it is normal for people to forget some things. Holly has no reason to lie about this. She just simply forgot. Ivy, don't you worry about your sister who lives in Alamo's house???

Chris, we had a good time on that trip, huh? Stopping at the Grand Canyon (we probably would've gotten in trouble if Tony knew about it). We had some good times. Remember, "America, it's time for a change." ??

The thing is...the brothers and sisters loved each other and would have dwelt together in unity (but not on a compound or living in common) if it had not been for Alamo's constant bizarre behavior, demonic scripture twisting, manipulation and control. Too bad.

Susie G

[christophr19 (christophr19)]

Haha! Mrs. Groulx, I do remember that. That was too funny! He was just soo good at it! Tell Jesse I said hello, and ask him to call me when he gets a moment.
Now that you jog my memory, I do remember Pete and Sue Levin being there. Holly did come with them I think...She must not have stayed long....or maybe I am just forgetful. MY attention was a little preoccupied, at times, on that trip. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/blush.gif

[holdol27 (holdol27)]

wow that would be a cool pic to have mrs.groulx! but honestly i must have blocked it from my memory, weird huh. can u email my hotmail again so i have your email address.................i'm going to send some pics your way soon.

[wilma (wilma)]

Holly and anyone else who I owe email to,

I'm having a problem with my email account and can't access my email account at all. I'll have it fixed within a day or so (hopefully). So if anyone thinks I'm ignoring them, that isn't the case ;-)

Holly I'll snail mail a copy of that pic to ya soon as I can.

I just got home from listening to my 12 yr old nephew singing Christmas carols about Jesus in his public school choir. It was great. And so wonderful to be around family and to participate in their lives. (That is another thing the Alamo's robbed from us for many years. )
Susie G

[holdol27 (holdol27)]

thankyou thats very sweet of u to send me a copy!