Open discussion

[christophr19 (christophr19)]

I just wanted to have a thread that dealt with anything. We have many threads all about phoney a-lame-O, so this one is for discussing ideas and thoughts and subjects that we get discouraged from talking about on the other threads. How about we just pick a topic and you give your thoughts and personal point of perspective. Who would like to start???

[false_prophet_detecter (false_prophet_detecter)]

chris have you ever read the book Illusions by Richard Bach
its a fantastic adventure story. and it presents a totally new and intelligent perspective about reality. the coolest thing about it is its just a story so theres no need to defend it or make it something its not. however i like to explain it like this. imagine that you walk into a completely white room. all the walls are white the floor and ceiling are white, and there is a thin layer of dust on the floor. there is a broom over in a corner of the room. so you take the broom and sweep the floor, until the whole room is completely white again. illusions is the broomhttp://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif

[christophr19 (christophr19)]

hey thanks man! I am always interested in new books, will definitely check it out. If you are a steven king fan....I highly recommend the dark tower series. The first book is kind of boring, but the next six are really quite good. Of if you want to be freaked out, read Geralds Game by Mr. King. Ughggg really weird.

[false_prophet_detecter (false_prophet_detecter)]

hey isnt the dark tower series all about magic. did he finish the series. i definitely want to read that series i totally forgot about it.
t way just finished robert jordans last in his twelve book wheel of time series and highly recommends that as well.

[christophr19 (christophr19)]

Dark tower is hard to explain, but it does involve some kind of power. I don't know if I would call it majik or not. The series is (I think) the best I have ever read. The end will blow you away! The wheel of time, eh? I wondered if that was good. Will have to check it out.

[christophr19 (christophr19)]

Hey Eric, Here is a yahoo group that I found that you might be interested in. It is called Treason
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Treason/
This guy has collected info on just about everything. It is worth a browse once in awhile, check out the messages. There are very many of them, but the best (in my opinion) are the ones collected from the Rense.com site. Well, enjoy!

[false_prophet_detecter (false_prophet_detecter)]

Chris i forgot to mention "way of the peaceful warrior" by Dan Millman. its a trilogy and one of the best ive ever read. has a lot of practical applications. kind of a workbook for warriors, like us.
hey a little poem i thought of today
when life flips you crap dont scream and shout
cuz lauphing your butt off is what its about
i'm bored of your god and all of your rules
the best people ive met are all humorous fools
later dude

[christophr19 (christophr19)]

Wait a sec, Peaceful warrior was a trilogy??
I thought it was only one book, fantastic as it was, but there is more?

[false_prophet_detecter (false_prophet_detecter)]

yeah "sacred journey of the peaceful warrior"
and the last "the journeys of socrates"
wow dont read the last one first i think it might be the best and you wouldnt understand why.
it rips your heart out and stomps on it and then takes you to heaven.
crazy i know

[false_prophet_detecter (false_prophet_detecter)]

wait a cotton picken minute did you already read the first?
wow wasnt it badazz?

[christophr19 (christophr19)]

I think I need to read again, but yeah, great book!

[false_prophet_detecter (false_prophet_detecter)]

when i was in l.a. last year i saw a casting call
for way of the peaceful warrior. i cant wait to see who they will cast as socrates

[christophr19 (christophr19)]

Funny thing...ok not really funny, lets say strange.
Throughout history, wars have been started by kings, nobles, rich people in power; who convince, coerce, and or bribe the poor, and lower class, uneducated masses to fight battles that never have anything to do with the ideals and hype that the elitist pigs in power tell the armies that the war is about. Take any war in history! If you were to dig deep enough, you would find that it was either about greed, pride, arrogance, or hatred.
And yet every time, the people who actually fight the wars, always fall for some story about how God wants them to kill this other army. Or how they are "liberating" some country or another. You would think that people would eventually learn.....

[false_prophet_detecter (false_prophet_detecter)]

yeah i think maybe people are sheep
baaaa...baaaaaa....

[false_prophet_detecter (false_prophet_detecter)]

most people want to be told what to do because they got beat into shape when they were kids and are afraid to act out on their own. you have to fight for true freedom of choice in your own life and then you realize happiness. i think weve come a long way buddy. i wish more friends from our past would hurry up and get here. but whatever im surrounded by people who love freedom just as much as me and its cool that a few on this board do

[christophr19 (christophr19)]

they are sheep afraid to lose their wool.
when you stop being afraid of losing the things you have, you stop allowing yourself to be controlled. HMmm...I wonder why Jesus (the ultimate peaceful warrior) didn't collect anything but friends???

Remember the movie labrynth? The scene where she ends up in the garbabe city where all of those people were collecting "stuff" and "treasure" and it was piling up on their backs? That is what Amerika reminds me of today.

[false_prophet_detecter (false_prophet_detecter)]

yeah its strange that most in america dream of a house wife nice car kids. and then they have to go to church to remind them to be happy with their blessings. member when we use to run through the woods right through the thorns. and not care. ride the horses in the pond full of snakes but no one got bit. hey were you there when we were digging a huge tunnel into the side of a hill behind the four plex, and burt krantz came and destroyed our fort because "someone could get hurt" what an angry ugly old man. me and ej are gonna build a tree fort this spring. and shoot any pirates that try to rob us.

[false_prophet_detecter (false_prophet_detecter)]

hey gotta go. catch you some other time
later

[christophr19 (christophr19)]

yeah, I was there! That dirt hill was one of the coolest places to play that I remember on the ridge. You know, when I was like, 16: young and chivalrous. I told him that he didn't appreciate his new wife(Miriam...I guess I was crushin just a little), and that he needed to be nice to her and to realize what he had been blessed with or God would take her away from him! haha haha! He didn't know what to say back to me, so he told me thank you!
When JP is old enough, we are gonna let our imaginations run away with us!
Guess what I got for christmas.....The authoratative book of....you ready for it....CALVIN AND HOBBES!!! Thank you for turning me on to the coolest comic ever! that was you wasn't it?

[christophr19 (christophr19)]

you still there?

[holdol27 (holdol27)]

calvin and hobbs is the best! i do think its odd that none of the kids ever got bit by those snakes in the pond........man that was fun though!

[christophr19 (christophr19)]

Um....thats why started a thread called open discussion, and said (refer to top of page) that this one could be about something besides phony a-lame-O. There are over 40 something threads dedicated to that mans corruption! Why is it such a big deal that we have one to talk about lighter subjects? If you all don't like this thread, choose one of the very many others to post on; as this one is ours!
With all due respect to you as my elder: Please do not presume to chastise me. Be careful what and who you call foolish. We have not forgotten that God is Holy, and we have not disrespected God in any way. I am not your child, nor will I be cowed by your "reproof". To end this post, have a great day, Lots of love in Christ, Tophr

[christophr19 (christophr19)]

Now, back to lighter subject matter... Yes calvin and hobbes is great! I have been reading my book this morning, and laughing my bum off!
The snakes in the pond were creepy! But yeah, we never got bit. I even saw them swim over to the dock quite often, and that bick tree on the pool side was a huge nest, and yet no one ever got bit. I guess Someone was watching out for us, eh?
hey cuz, pull my finger..........tweeet!http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/lol.gif

[christophr19 (christophr19)]

ok, here is another subject for thought.
Where did Jesus ever set up the modern church way of "christianity"?? I don't see it in any of his teachings. Yes, He encouraged us to fellowship with other beleivers; and to seek a greater understanding of God the Fathers will by constant communion with Him. But where did He suggest, command, or otherwise setup the idea that one man should have no job but that of "leading" Jesus' flock? Didn't He say that His sheep hear his voice and another will they not follow? Even paul, who the modern churches like to quote even more than Jesus, was not a "pastor"; yes, he did travel around setting up fellowships, but he was a tentmaker by trade. He was not supported financially by the people he brought to Christ, he supported himself.
He didn't pass around the offering plate for the "building fund" (which really is meant to line the pastors pockets.) Why do pastors keep the service going for an hour or two? Did you ever notice how when God tells you something, he quickens your spirit, and it only takes a split secound for the understanding to flood your heart. anyway, talk amongst yourselves. I have got to run to work. Later

[false_prophet_detecter (false_prophet_detecter)]

jesus is an inspirational story of what we are suppose to aspire to be. take for instance i want to sing with as much control as maynard of tool, or dave mathews. if i started saying thank you dave mathews praise you dave mathews please let me be like you. come into my heart lord maynard. its most likely these guys would get disgusted with my
beggar attitude, because they are pretty egoless. they would either spit on me, or if they felt like it maybe they would say "you can do it to man, dont worship me, i had to work to get this far and so do you" you see its in the doing not the wishing that we become what we want. people who profess christianity usually are not doing what they want. they are doing what they think they have to do to get to this heaven they think is in the afterlife. they miss their chance on this earth because they want freedom from choice not freedom of choice. if you break everything down to atoms, energy never dies it just changes form. (reincarnation) the bible tells about reincarnation in a few instances Jesus and John the baptist were Elisha and Elijah. i think its cool how they were always so humble and promoting the other friend. Jesus said there is not a greater prophet among men. and John said here is the the man u seek. it was a very cool comradary.
all of Jesus professing followers are simply beggars that jesus would ignore or tell to go work on themself.

[false_prophet_detecter (false_prophet_detecter)]

its weird how christians wear crosses around their neck. DO YOU ACTUALLY THINK IF JESUS CAME BACK HE WOULD WANT TO SEE A CROSS? EWWWW
dumb christian: but jesus i was just showing i believe in you.
jesus: i dont care if you believe i died on a cross or not your not doing what i told you to do to live a better life. get thee behind me dumbass

[christophr19 (christophr19)]

Question: what is the single most commonly occuring substance in the universe?
It can be found everywhere, there is life.
It has to be present in order for a star to be born. It takes on the molecular signature of anything it touches. Without it nothing can live.......Water.

[false_prophet_detecter (false_prophet_detecter)]

wazzzup tophr
http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/smile.gif

[christophr19 (christophr19)]

nuttin, just put the little man to bed and takin some time to check email and see if you were on here. You?

[arron (arron)]

you sure have a thread that deals with anything.. a lot of things posts here to.. all unbelivers say a lot of cruel things about our LORD JESUS CHRIST.

[christophr19 (christophr19)]

what?....No offense, but I don't understand what you just wrote. ARe you saying that you think we are being cruel to Jesus, and that we are unbelievers?

[false_prophet_detecter (false_prophet_detecter)]

hangin with a drummer buddy watchin football.
a game i really dont care about but is semi fun to watch

[false_prophet_detecter (false_prophet_detecter)]

believers in what. theres that belief syndrome again.
what i focus on for me becomes so real
try to focus on a different way to feel
i know the focusing can teach me how to fill
the holes from suffering create this loss of will

[christophr19 (christophr19)]

Football....Now there is an american pastime that is quite a contradiction, in my opinion.
First: Quasi-intelligent men who get paid overly large sums of money (that could be better spent on adequate and safe housing for disaster victims, rebuilding americas' ghettos, feeding starving children, rehabilitating the sick and injured, or even buying food and clothing for those in need) to 'play' a game.

[false_prophet_detecter (false_prophet_detecter)]

hey did you see the $150 complete set of c&h they were selling for christmas.
and yes i had a bunch of calvin and hobbes books on the ridge until i was told to throw them away.
bad move

[false_prophet_detecter (false_prophet_detecter)]

i hope our friend arron didnt get castrated it seems it doesnt have the kahoonas to commune with us anymore. oh well

[christophr19 (christophr19)]

Secondly: For a fan base that is primarely made up of heterosexual males, the attraction to the game seems suspect. It is a bunch of buff meatheads wearing skintight spandex chasing each other around, tackling and wrestling each to the ground, and swatting each other on the behind after they "score". And that's just what happens on the field! Next comes the locker room; where these men get naked, take communal showers, pop towels at each others assez, and compare sick and demoralizing stories of sexual conquest. Sounds almost like something that you would find in a bathhouse in the Castro District (Gay capitol) of San Francisco.
Yes, these men make sick amounts of money, can have any and all the sex they want, and are idolized by millions around the country, especially by our children! These players are more worshipped than God! And yet we have churches who pray on sunday for God to bless their team in the days game. I am soo sure that God cares one whit about this activity!
http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/angry.gif

[christophr19 (christophr19)]

too bad for him.... and for you! throwin away Calvin and hobbes, I bet you hated that!

[false_prophet_detecter (false_prophet_detecter)]

hey later chris gotta go

[starksk (starksk)]

Ok Chris I gotta touch on this football thing. First I have to say...."Hook 'Em Horns!"
Ok the game I'm sure Eric was referring to is the Rose Bowl. That is a bowl game that college kids play to determine the championship. Those kids don't get paid a dime. And if they do they are out. Those are strict rules. Also my brother played college ball for 3yrs. I assure you he didn't get paid anything. My parents sure did pay out of pocket for him to play though and that was with a partial scholarship. Ya we got into the games. But when you come from where we came from its exciting that he got to be involved in something other than rhinestoning jackets. If my dad was praying before a game it was to ask God to protect Donny from getting hurt or even killed. And of course we want them to win. If they make championship games the schools get more money to help with the school needs. None of the players get that money. But I don't like any reference to the whole gay thing and football. My brother is very passionate about football. Anyway we couldn't be more proud of him. I bet if Lil Man wants to play when he's older you'll let him. And if he goes pro I doubt you'll complain about the money then. I hope you wouldn't hold him back from playing sports 'cause thats not something you're into. I could talk about this forever but I won't.
Much luv Chris.....

Kim

[christophr19 (christophr19)]

My post was not meant to be personal. Those who play a 'game' for the love of playing, have the right idea. I am sure that your brother played because he loved to. I remember when we used to play on the ridge, that was a blast!
I was referring to the pillar that sports has been raised to in the eyes of the american people, and the world. Yes college kids may not get paid in dollar amounts; but how many of them play on scolarships? They don't have to pay for school, board, food, etc... because they play. How many college athletes get more dates because they play? While they may not get paid in money, that does not mean they receive nothing in return. I have had many friends in college who told me that the girls that went around with would have never given them a second look if they were not athletes. As for the reference to the whole gay thing, well let's just say this. If there was no football involved, how many men would continue to watch men in tights chase each other around?
Yes if my son chooses to play a sport, I will not tell him he can't. But I will also show him the other side of it. Much love in return.
Tophr

[starksk (starksk)]

Well my brother is good looking already so we will never know if football was the reason he always had girls chasing himhttp://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/lol.gif
And thank goodness he did have a scholarship. My parents would be bankrupt he didn't get one.
GO TEXAS!!!

[holdol27 (holdol27)]

hey cuz------there is no point in even talking about sports in this society we call life! lol they should add to the saying never discuss religion,politics and sports!lol i hate the worship of it as much as u do believe me but i'm starting to think if i can't beat em i may as well join em

[christophr19 (christophr19)]

Yeah, I know, you are probably right....I don't know why, but for some reason I tend to unknowingly bring up the subjects that people avoid. I don't do it on purpose! You know how it is in our family, we talk about any and everything. I invariably will start a conversation with someone, and it will be something they aren't comfortable talking about, or feel strongly about but don't discuss with people who have different views on that subject.

[princess_crow (princess_crow)]

Thank-You Kim for defending Texas and our brother. Chris what do you have to say about basketball - now that is a true sport! GO SPURS GO! However, we did have the Saints play here for a few games, because of Katrina. My husband and I went to one and sat on the 40 yard line - it was pretty cool. But I have to say going to a Spurs game is my favorite. I went a few days before Christmas because we had floor seats and I loved it! Come on down and visit sometime, maybe we can go to one http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

[starksk (starksk)]

Hey Sis how's the lavish life going? All the times I went to Spurs games it was not nose bleed section, but I sure as hell wasn't on the floor. How is it living amongst the "common" folk? You have it so hard. I'll be there next Dec fo sho.....get me some seats!! Hook a sista up! Ask Rich if I was a good enough date to get those good seats--ha,ha,ha.......

[christophr19 (christophr19)]

Ok, I see I touched a nerve here. When did I come against Texas or your brother? I was commenting on the social condition of the american people, who idolize and make a game into an all encompassing religion. As I am sure that is not you, the post was not directed at you.
Basketball is a great game! One that I spent time playing as a teenager. I also liked football, however what I did not like was when some took it too far. Who has seen those little leage parents that we all say that will never be us? You know, the ones who are more into it then their kids, who are playing the game. The ones who scream at the coaches, make a huge deal about winning and losing, and seem to forget the entire point. Which is, getting kids together with their friends to PLAY. The chance for the kids to interact with each other, get some exercize, sunshine, and fresh air.
In my post, I was trying to convey the idea that I think sports is put on a pedestal; that we teach our kids from an early age to always be competing. They see these sports stars, and the lifestyles they live, the way they behave, and they want to emulate them. For instance, if you personally knew Kobe Bryant, and you knew the truth about his behavior and attitudes towards women (supposing he is guilty, I mean) would you want your kids thinking that he is a good role model? I used to think that Michael Jordan was an all around nice guy. No argument here, he was the best player I have ever seen. But a friend of mine who worked the front desk at a ritzy hotel in Los Angelos where many NBA players stayed while visiting, that one of the first things almost everyone one of them asked about was the female escort service. These are the men that we as americans offer up as role models to our young impressionable boys.

[starksk (starksk)]

Chris to be totally honest.....you really didn't touch any nerve. I was just messin with you and so is Rose. I agree that players get paid alot of money and there are parents out there that push it on there kids that have no desire to play. In our case my brother being 6'4" and 260lbs or something at 14yrs old attempted to play basketball and then switched to football (his choice). So of course we just all went with it. He was huge and made a great offensive lineman. He is also very smart and had great grades in high shcool along with great looks so he got a scholarship handed to him and he went with his dream. My mom cringed every time he got hit, and of course my dad screamed with manly joy. I don't know if thats society or just a dad proud of his son for deciding to play football and not joining the chess team. Unfortunately my brothers knees are jacked up now and no pro-football in site for his career. But we are still proud of him and we just love to brag about him, so when I saw you talking about money and naked guys slapping towels on each other butts I just had to make it clear that my brother did not get paid only educated and my parents didn't push but vise versa and he is surely not gay. Its all good. And Rose just likes to brag cause she gets all these good seats to different sports venues, especially Spurs games. I'm a SPURS fan but she REALLY is. And she doesn't care for football as much so that why she was saying that. So again.....its all good. I hate to admit it, but you are right. Although I hope my son grows up to be the quarterback for the Raiders or 49ers or even the Titans and then gives his Momma some of that lute.http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif Remember son, mommy loves you more than anyone in the world.....he,he,he,he

[holdol27 (holdol27)]

i'm sick of sports fans thinking the other people in this world that don't like sports are stupid.......quite the contrary in my case anyways......i understand how theses games are played perfectly well and have actually sat and watched a few yes even in an arena........it just simply bores me! lol and yes chris excluding college ball these players are payed far more than they should be!

[starksk (starksk)]

I never said you were stupid Holly or anybody else for that matter

[holdol27 (holdol27)]

i know u didn't girl........just commenting on past experiences with people! i know why people enjoy sports i mean my husband is a huge fan as is my dad for cryin out loud my boyfriend in highschool was the quarterback and half my good guy friends were the best soccer players in the state! oh and i'm also very proud of my nephews with their football and soccer even though lance is too cool for it this year lol

[starksk (starksk)]

Ya and lance and shane are damn good too. I hope they get scholarships.
I'm just glad that college football is over for now......whats that babe? oh ya uh-huh, whatever u say dear, here's the credit card honey, spend as much as you want
How now when I talk to my husband and he will actually hear me. Hmmm - well at least basketball is still going.
LOL....he,he,he

[princess_crow (princess_crow)]

Holly you are so funny! I love to read all your posts - you are a riot - thanks for keeping the laughter alive! You are by no means stupid - don't let people think you are. Hell ya, Chris, Kim is so right -- I am totally bragging. It feels good and I like to do it. Never got to in the church, so why not now, right?? Yep, my nephew is going to be the best - and lots of loot and great seats, right Kim. Afterall, am I not his favorite Aunti Ro-Ro http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

[false_prophet_detecter (false_prophet_detecter)]

this one time we was playing two hand shove in front of the school. and johnny way pushed me into the concrete rain gutter. my left pinky was twisted all the way around. hurt like hell but it looked really cool. the grossest part was when they stuck a three inch needle into the base of my pinky to numb it. then they twisted it back into shape. i can still twist it back the way it was. weird

[false_prophet_detecter (false_prophet_detecter)]

does any one remember the boys and girls garden competition and how the girls had irrigation and the boys had to hall buckets of water from the pond? lol

[starksk (starksk)]

ya the girls kicked butt in that competition....although it seemed more like child labor at the time. I didn't really enjoy it.

[starksk (starksk)]

Eric you are sooo wrong for bringing up that old $hit.http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/biggrin.gif I assure you I don't dress weird like that now. Oh my gosh I was such a tomboy. But hey we wore we got in on "dono's". Its not like i had a real choice. Remember the big donation we got in one time of tennis shoes ie. reeboks, and nike's. Everyone was fighting over them. Some of them were different sizes. Oh my gosh......flashbacks!!

[holdol27 (holdol27)]

ya the girls had to suck the water through a hose from the pond i remember doing it and getting a mouthful of pond water..........we kicked your butts boys! lol i thought it was fun

[starksk (starksk)]

LMAO - I remember that. I guess I was always in such a hurry to go ride the horses. It was fun when we did it with your mom though Holly. We would get to go back to your house for Kool-Aid. Your mom was way cool. We had some bad babysitters though. I won't name names, they might be reading this board and I don't want to offend anyone. Lenore was cool too. or is it Aunti Norsky (i have no idea how to spell that)

[holdol27 (holdol27)]

its really nice to know that my mom had a good influence on some other kids!

[christophr19 (christophr19)]

Hey girls, Tophr here. No offense taken or intended.http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/proud.gif I sometimes have to get on the soapbox, I can't help it I guess.
Yeah, all that stuff is true....but it is really fun to play those sports....I miss playing soccer on the ridge! Eric, remember when you goalied and we got all bothered because you wore those god-awful hiking boots that we got on donos? I think we were really just worried about running into your kicks.
Anyway, all done on the soapbox, y'all take it away from me and don't let me back on it for awhile.http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/kiss.gif
Well, gotta go to bed now, it was a long crazy night on the beach. (hiccup) hehe heehee

[false_prophet_detecter (false_prophet_detecter)]

yea soap boxes can be slippery

hey those boots had steel tips in them and they slammed that ball back down the field

remember jacob tiner aka bert
he was a good goalie 2

[christophr19 (christophr19)]

Oh I know, trust me!
Everytime you went to kick, I dove, duck, or dogded out of the way. I remember myself however, trying to play goalie barefoot....what in the world was I thinking???
Yea, I do remember bert. He is doing really well, has 3 beautiful little girls, and together with all of his brothers again.

[the_fbi (the_fbi)]

http://www.prophezinenews.com/articles/pznarticle122705.htm


article about the mark of the beast

[summer4ever (summer4ever)]

Give me a break "the_fbi."

Here is one of his/her first posts:

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Posted by the_fbi (the_fbi) on Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 5:44 pm:
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yeah, we were notified about this site but we have better things to do with our time. right now, we're trying to really make the bush administration look good because their big time murderers and drug dealers and so it takes ALL our effort just to keep tying up loose ends and keep alot of pressure on all sorts of alternative media from telling the truth. matter of fact we nailed a few of them over in iraq, made it look like insurgents. it's great over there we can get away with all sorts of atrocities.
you know, but anyway, tony alamo, we're too busy for him and too many of you are known to be insane. A few of you have been committed and several have admitted to using drugs and being total drunks and it's quite a common thing for disgruntled ex members of any particular group to come against them with phony allegations etc. no, tony's been cleared. And if your wondering how we're here right now sending this message we constantly have employees scanning these types of boards for anyone using mentioning "FBI, CIA, SS, etc." So hope everyone has a great day!!

Bill Masterson - Special Internet Unit - FBI

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[helives (helives)]

Thanks Jody for finding one of the-fbi's first posts. I knew I had seen his id before, however I didn't have time to look for it.

The above post shines a light on the reason he, (The_FBI) feels the need to defend Tony Alamo, it is because he is a liar just like Tony.
"special internet unit -"FBI" lol!
FBI in his case is the acronym for "fooled,brainwashed individual -- fbi


Don't be so foolish to believe that the feds are not watching Tony and building a case against him. Tony was caught off guard when they filed federal tax evasion charges against him. Tony was convicted of tax evasion and went to federal prison for years!

The feds knew Al Capone was a gang leader and had been involved in many crimes, They went for the sure thing, tax evasion!

Sounds like the same tactic the feds took concerning Tony Alamo. His lying on his tax returns was a sure thing, they didn't have to spend years in court with he said, she said,. However the abuse, rape, polygamy etc were brought up in the court room and are a matter of public record, The courts and the feds know Tony is guilty of everything that he has been accused of, but they went after the sure thing - tax evasion- and they won, Tony lost!

For sure no angel came and delivered Tony out of prison like Peter.

[false_prophet_detecter (false_prophet_detecter)]

Thats really cool to know chris. I saw ricky ticky T in L.A. last year with joey o,scott m,anthony a,reggie f,and dan o. It was alot of fun and they were all really cool guys. I remember thinking we were bad crawling around under the pews in the prayer room and falling asleep. These guys way outdid us they were telling me stories of how they use to mock everything about the church all the time (including speaking in tongues all the rules etc. etc.) for being so evil they sure turned out nice lololx1,000

[gettheehence (gettheehence)]

yeah sue, it's just like when you threw that grapefruit out of the bus windown and tried to blame it on your own son. sicko!

[christophr19 (christophr19)]

ok?....you are really mature there jocko!
For your information, phony <font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font>-lame-O, I was on that bus and Mrs. B was not. Her son never threw the fruit out of the window (btw, it was an orange, not a grapefruit....yeah, you sure got the facts straight....geez you are really reachin!) Jared was in the front of the bus, and the person who threw it was in the back of the bus. So, once again, you prove that you are an ignorant, crass, contentious (isn't that supposed to be a sign of homosexuality, according to phony's new religion?) and are really wasting your time and energy.
Have a nice day, and don't forget...we are praying for you.

[gettheehence (gettheehence)]

nice try weed head. i was on the bus and saw mrs. ballsee throw the GRAPEFRUIT and then she sat down real quick and pointed at her son. and then i'll tell you what else I saw. you had peed your pants because that's when you were having that control problem? remember? some virus you had. everyone knew about it though. then yo mama came out and she had on that black cloak and was trying to cast spells on people. she was a closet witch with a big nose and wart on the end of it. mama curdog we called her.

[vladdy (vladdy)]

Hey Chris,
You know who I am, but keep quiet about that. I've just stumbled upon this site tonight (see what all nighters bring?). You guys didn't call me when you moved, and I've lost your number. I'm bummed I didn't get to say goodbye to your beautiful wify and baby. Give me a call. I'm up. Oh yeah, and hello to your cuz.
-V

[christophr19 (christophr19)]

oh man! I am soo sorry we didn't connect before We moved. We were so busy, and trying to get all of our affairs in order. We are now on the opposite side of the country, but still near the beach. I will call you soon, but for now I am about to stumble off to bed; it was an allnighter for me as well. Thank you for everything. Tophr

[christophr19 (christophr19)]

yeah, whatever. GTH.....why don't you go back to phony worshiping. Or maybe instead, you might search your heart, and ask Jesus to take away all of your hurt, and bitterness.
It sucks to be soo full of hate and malice that it spews out of you at all times.
Jesus can take all of that away.
Just ask him to come in, and wash you clean.

[summer4ever (summer4ever)]

Hmm... It doesn't take long for an Alamo Supporter to show his colors...

Here is something interesting:
The screen names the_fbi and gettheehence both were on AOL when "they" posted a few months ago. Now they are both on Verizon Internet Service and posting from the same computer? Did your free trial to AOL expire?

You guys totally crack me up!

Jody

[gettheehence (gettheehence)]

omg - oodness! lol!! U R A genious!! LOL!!!

[gettheehence (gettheehence)]

jody, U R right and i confess my faults to you oh high priestess. thy word is law. everybody, i'm going to erect a huge statue of Jody in central park for all to worship. once everyone here's thy words they shall know and be loosed from the bowels of absurdity. thou all knowing!!

[helives (helives)]

gettheehence

I must have a good arm, seeing as the grapefruit incident happened in arkansas and I was in california selling alamo designs for tony.

Did you ever live in the alamo foundation?

Did you ever live in Tony's house?

You shouldn't defend a child abusing, lying child raping pedophile,polygamy practicing pervert like tony alamo.

[jules11468 (jules11468)]

It is obvious that Getthehence has never lived in the cult. He/she was or is just a "visiting christian". He probably just came upon this site and wants to get people riled up by saying things that are so off the wall.

[helives (helives)]

Jules, I've had those same thoughts or they also could be a nobody just trying to get the board moving again, it had almost died out. Oh well either way more of the facts about tony alamo will keep getting posted. I'm off to work, catch ya all later
sue b

[helives (helives)]

Jody thanks for the info and research regarding the posts from the_fbi and gettheehence, how the posts were from the same computer!
Is it the same computer as alamosupporter uses? Just wondering since he signed off and said he will never post again. I figured he would came back with a different id.

Of course we don't expect anything less from gettheehence than railing, mocking, belittling,deceitfulness,bare face lying and name calling because he is following his leader, tony alamo's mode of operation,tactics and example.

sue b

[windycity (windycity)]

no matter how much you try you will not shut down the Foundation...take some advice from Gamaliel will ya!!!

[jules11468 (jules11468)]

Uh oh, Windy must have gotten permision to post again.

[windycity (windycity)]

Every time you open your filthy mouths you show everyone what scum you are. Your speech betrays you. So what if getheehence has the same ip as someone else...wow...they had AOL..gosh I guess just a few of us in this great big world have AOL huh Jody Einstein? lol

[jules11468 (jules11468)]

You have such a way with words, Windy.

[soulsmirror (soulsmirror)]

hey windy good lookingout, jules is so lame, boohoo jules got youNOT!!

[windycity (windycity)]

welcome soulsmirror, it's nice of you to join. Jules really can't come up with much cuz I don't think she has much to give...just like most others here. If you look at the threads all they do is go on and on with the same perverted lies. You say you were in the church and knew Tony huh? Well it is nice to have another person who knows the truth and is willing to tell it. Take a look at some of these ppl who say they speak the truth yet they speak nothing but perversions and make things up because they have a beef with Tony. I myself have not witnessed the garbage they claim..so guard your soul as you read through the trash. Lord Bless

[false_prophet_detecter (false_prophet_detecter)]

that is so cool to find out that aunt dot is a closet witch. i always knew that she had a surplus of personal power for creating and getting what she wanted. to bad for you you didnt befriend someone as powerful as she. instead you picked a blind man to follow. dont fall in the ditch now get thee some prozac.

[soulsmirror (soulsmirror)]

thanks for the advice, i will

[christophr19 (christophr19)]

Every time you open your filthy mouths you show everyone what scum you are. Your speech betrays you. So what if getheehence has the same ip as someone else...wow...they had AOL..gosh I guess just a few of us in this great big world have AOL huh Jody Einstein? lol....................
So....have you looked in your soul's mirror lately??? Cause your speech is betrayin you!

hey windy good lookingout, jules is so lame, boohoo jules got youNOT!!.............ok, what are you like, a seven year old?

[soulsmirror (soulsmirror)]

hey christophr19 you're soooooooooo lame, can't you at least try and give a good comeback?

[christophr19 (christophr19)]

well, you just proved my point...

[false_prophet_detecter (false_prophet_detecter)]

this is about comebacks i knew it
well how about this one soulfly "jesus is comming and i bet it feels good"
or how about this "come in my heart lord jesus"
wash away my my sin
gosh you guys are gross asking a cool guy like jesus to do these gross things
no wonder he doesnt talk to you

[gettheehence (gettheehence)]

chris curry and eric ondrisek, why don't you two just elope to Canada and get married. it's obvious your both flaming homosexuals.

[soulsmirror (soulsmirror)]

false_prophet_detecter you're nothing more than a blaspheming devil, and just in case you didn't know you're on your way to hell, so next time you type sometning so perverted maybe you should think about it first, thats if you even care, by the wayyou guys aren't married ? i thought you were the way you guys follow eachother around on the message board, constanly harrassing everybody together, like a queerbait couple

[false_prophet_detecter (false_prophet_detecter)]

boring boring for all eternity
your so boring no originality
blaspeming is fun you should try it sometime
you just might lose your limiting mind

[false_prophet_detecter (false_prophet_detecter)]

actually after coming from hell (the alamo cult)
i realized i entered heaven
and theres no way im going back

[false_prophet_detecter (false_prophet_detecter)]

actually on second thought i really felt the spirit there, NOT
but if tony raises bucks to $500 a day i might go back

[false_prophet_detecter (false_prophet_detecter)]

hell id have a sexchange and be one of his wives for $1,000 a day
haahahahahahahahha

[christophr19 (christophr19)]

Hehe Ha ha haaaa!!!
Heha hahehahaheahehehaaaahehahehaaaa!!
ju so funny!
I find it funny, that you turds get so worked up!
Take it easy, eh? And really, is that the best insult you can think up? That you think I am gay? Hmmm....you really bring up this gay thing alot....is it possible.....your not, are you?.....well, if you are that would explain your self hatred and vile rantings.
Just remember that it's all in your head!

[soulsmirror (soulsmirror)]

hmmmmmmmmmm my suspicions are true, your both retarted nad oh no you're still LAME!!!

[false_prophet_detecter (false_prophet_detecter)]

retarded and lame
hey chris its possible we might be dealing with some of the kids that went to the library or something
this shouting match reminds me of when i was 5
shouting at god to save me from that cult

[soulsmirror (soulsmirror)]

wow good one NOT

[false_prophet_detecter (false_prophet_detecter)]

do i actually have the last word
yay i win the shouting match with
soulsmearer, gettheesomeaction, and windyblow

[soulsmirror (soulsmirror)]

i'll let you think you win

[false_prophet_detecter (false_prophet_detecter)]

i dont care about winning losing i just think its fun to say the opposite of what you say
how bout a kiss little guy
just one
right on my asscheeks

[soulsmirror (soulsmirror)]

you wish you homo

[false_prophet_detecter (false_prophet_detecter)]

why yes i am a homo sapien
what are you but a very closeminded sheeple

[soulsmirror (soulsmirror)]

God had a very different idea when he burnt Soodom and Gomorrah to the ground for being disgusting perverts just like you and regardless of your opion of me God is gonna burn you with fire just like he did them

[false_prophet_detecter (false_prophet_detecter)]

hip hip horay
i cant wait any longer
ive been challenging your dumb god for awhile
and he keeps hiding
i think maybe your god is the homo

[false_prophet_detecter (false_prophet_detecter)]

about my kid when he was 7 he had this great idea for halloween.
"hey dad why dont we put jesus head on a stick in our yard to scare the christians"
so we did
and man were they scared
lol
dumb christians

[false_prophet_detecter (false_prophet_detecter)]

heres an idea that could dethrone christ for all of you sheep but im sure it wont because your assemblage points are so fixed.
jesus was a bassturd son. thats why they made up the story of being impregnated by the holyspirit because mary was a loose woman. joseph wanted to kill her for committing adultery on him but a sorcerer came to him in his dream and warned him against it. of course this makes him just like you and me but thats to hard to believe that someone like you and me could make it as far as he did. so keep worshipping him and living boring lives if thats what you want.

[false_prophet_detecter (false_prophet_detecter)]

your whole bible is full of contradictions and contrived stories.
your god is so confusing that you have to study over and over and over to try to understand a point that is silly and worthless.
i wonder what would have happened if you read tolkien before the bible.
youd probably be worshipping him or gandalph right now because you are a moron.
if gods word is the same yesterday today and forever why are there so many versions and which one is right. uuhhhh i think the kjv is right, no no the niv, you and your kind are so double minded you are caught in the middle.
fhuck your god and your christ
he did this took all you had and
left you this way
stood and prayed never strayed
never taste of the fruit
never thought to question why
its not like you killed someone
its not like you drove a spiteful spear into his side
talk to jesus christ as if he knows the reason why
he did it all for you

[false_prophet_detecter (false_prophet_detecter)]

this is the real problem with humanity today
no god no devil just this simple fact
he that has ears to hear let him hear
"We have a predator that came from the depths of the cosmos and took over the rule of our lives. Human beings are its prisoners. The predator is our lord and master. It has rendered us docile, helpless. If we want to protest, it suppresses our protest. If we want to act independently, it demands that we don't do so...I have been beating around the bush all this time, insinuating to you that something is holding us prisoner. Indeed we are held prisoner!
"This was an energetic fact for the sorcerers of ancient mexico... They took us over because we are food for them, and they squeeze us mercilessly because we are their sustenance. Just as we rear chickens in chicken coops, the predators rear us in human coops, humaneros. Therefore, their food is always available to them." "No,no,no,no," [Carlos replies] "This is absurd don Juan. What you are saying is something monstrous. It simply can't be true, for sorcerers or for average men, or for anyone."

"Why not?" don Juan asked calmly. "Why not? Because it infuriates you?... You havent heard all the claims yet. I want to appeal to your analytical mind. think for a moment, and tell me how you would explain the contradictions between the intelligence of man the engineer and the stupidity of his systems of beliefs, or the stupidity of his contradictory behaviour. Sorcerers believe that the predators have given us our systems of belief, our ideas of good and evil, our social mores. They are the ones who set up our hopes and expectations and dreamsof success or failure. They have given us covetousness, greed, and cowardice. It is the predators who make us complacent, routinary, and egomaniacal."

"But how can they do this, don Juan?' [Carlos] asked, somehow angered further by what [don Juan] was saying. "Do they whisper al that in our ears while we are asleep?"

"No, they don't do it that way. That's idiotic!" don Juan said, smiling. "They are infinitely more efficient and organized than that. In order to keep us obedient and meek and weak, the predators engaged themselves in a stupendous manoueuvre-stupendous, of course, from the point of view of a fighting strategist. A horrendous manoeuvre from the point of view of those who suffer it. they gave us their mind! Do you hear me? The predators give us their mind, which becomes our mind. The predators' mind is baroque, contradictory, morose, filled with the fear of being discovered any minute now."
"I know that even though you have never suffered hunger... you have food anxiety, which is none other than the anxiety of the predator who fears that any moment now its manoeuvre is going to be uncovered and food is going to be denied. Through the mind, which, after all is their mind, the predators inject into the lives of human beings whatever is convenient for them. And they ensure, in this manner, a degree of security to act as a buffer against their fear."
"The sorcerers of ancient Mexico were quite ill at ease with the idea of when [the predator] made its appearance on earth. They reasoned that man must have been a complete being at one point, with stupendous insights, feats of awareness that are mythological legends nowadays. And then, everything seems to disappear, and we have now a sedated man. What I'm saying is that what we have against us is not a simple predator. It is very smart, and organized. It follows a methodical system to render us useless. Man, the magical being that he isdestined to be, is no longer magical. He's and average piece of meat."

"There are no more dreams for man but the dreams of an animal who is being raised to become a piece of meat: trite, conventional, imbecilic."

[false_prophet_detector (false_prophet_detector)]

Jack Black: Oh my god. Oh my god, I've done it. (shouts) Cage! Come here, I want you!
Kyle: What? What?? God! I'm sleeping, dude!
What are you talking about....
Jack: Oh my god>
Kyle:What?
Jack: Idid it.
Kyle: What d'ya do?
Jack: I've done it. I fhuckin' did it.
The most powerful tool in singing technology since yodelling, dude.
Oh my god, inward singing.
Kyle: What?
Jack: Check it out, it's an invention.
And it makes non-stop rocking possible.
(shouts) think about it man!
Rock singers are only rocking you half of the time!
The other time they're...they're... they're...
breathing! In!
But not anymore, baby! hahahahaha!! Not with inward singing, check it out!
Jack sings inwards, then outwards. while doing this, he sings:

[false_prophet_detector (false_prophet_detector)]

And then I start some lyrics and you can't believe I'm singing
And I'm never fhucking stopping
And I'm always fhucking singing
And now you know that I will never stop the fhucking singing
I'm like a fhucking one-man band
I'm like a fhucking one-man band!
(Jack then starts talking again)
And I can sing like that all fhucking night!
Kyle: ...Wow....It wasn't really non-stop though, there was a slight...
Jack: (shouts) Arrgh, shut up! It is non-stop!
And the other thing is, that when I'm fhuchin' singing in, it sounds even better!
Than when I'm singing out! Shut up! Fhuck you! You fhucking dick!
Always nay-saying...everything I create! You piece of ****e! You fhucking sit in your tower! Fhucking nap...
Kyle: (laughing)
Jack: What's funny??.... You fhucking biche! Fhucking...fhuck you!
Fhuckin'...calkass!!!
(Jack pauses for a minute to breathe)
Jack: You're fired from the band.
Kyle: Um, that won't be necessary, Jack.
Jack: Why?
Kyle: I'm quitting.
Jack: What?
Kyle: I quit.

exerpt from a skit off of tenacious D
these guys make me http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/lol.gif

[christophr19 (christophr19)]

hahahaaaaaaa!
ahahahaaaaaaaaahhhahaaaaa!
I love tenacious D

[hbjgrace (hbjgrace)]

It would seem that there would be other creative words to use besides the same old f word

[moral_n_pure (moral_n_pure)]

hillbillygrace2 are you posting under a new name?

[hbjgrace (hbjgrace)]

NO TONIGHT IS THE FIRST TIME EVER ON THIS SITE. iT IS nice to meet you all

[carolfryer (carolfryer)]

hi hbjgrace
Good to meet you too. Welcome.

[false_prophet_detector (false_prophet_detector)]

its true there are many other words, but then i would be taking from the great tenacious D
and i dont dare do that
plus its pretty funny when you hear it on their cd