HEALED BY PASTOR ALAMO

[beccasue1975 (beccasue1975)]

A few people have gotten online and told of their miraculous healings, by "Pastor" Alamo's hands.
That's great, really... Just wanted to make sure you DO realise that it is NOT Tony who healed you. It was YOUR faith that made you whole!

When the woman with the issue of blood touched the hem of Jesus' garment it was HER FAITH that healed her, not the garment. Her faith was great... so great she believed she only needed to touch the hem of the garment Jesus wore. When the apostle Paul sent out his apron to the sick it wasn't because his apron was majical or special... he sent it because it was a point of contact for people to hold and believe in God's healing power!

So... that being said... it's great there have been miraculous healings, but let's give glory where glory is due. TONY ALAMO is not a prophet or a healer... he is a sick, twisted, short, pedophile, fornicating, and adulterous man with a lot of undue power. It is YOUR faith that made you whole... "Be it according to your faith". You had faith that when Tony Alamo prayed GOD would heal you... so you were healed.

[christophr19 (christophr19)]

Amen Becca!
putting your faith in man is exactly the opposite of all that Jesus came here to teach. Jesus gave us the gift that we could be healed by his stripes, but only if we beleived. That was THE stipulation!

[rev14_15 (rev14_15)]

no one said have faith in tony. ho hum... zzzzzzz

[ivy (ivy)]

Exactly, not one person said Tony healed them. God's people can do miracles. I have seen miracles. God does get the glory. He uses his people to do miracles. Like I said, my sister was very sick and the doctors could not do anything that made her condition better. My mom asked the Pastor for prayer. He prayed and GOD HEALED MY SISTER IMMEDIATELY!!! She (not even knowing that the Pastor prayed for her) got up and said. "JESUS HEALED ME". I will never forget that. She was so little and so weak and God wanted to use her for his glory. She is now a very beautiful, healthy and strong young woman.

[smitty (smitty)]

Ivy and Rev. Please read oneworld's post on the root thread and think it over if you can

[christophr19 (christophr19)]

you didn't have to say it ivy, it is the only thing you all talk about. How great tony is, how many miracles tony did, how wonderful tony is, how great a world pastor tony is, etc.... You don't do much talking about Jesus, the Father, or The Holy Spirit. Just tony and how much you love him. well, prove us wrong, and go away.

[summer4ever (summer4ever)]

Although I truly have enjoyed catching up with most of you, I must leave this room.
I have to get back to my life.

Tony,
I ask you to stand back and look at yourself in the mirror. Look what you have become. You have become such a poor excuse for a man, much less a preacher.
You break up families, abuse women and children, and rape little girls. That is not a World Pastor of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

You know what you did to me was wrong on so many levels: Biblically, morally, and legally. You hurt me and you know you did.

I have forgiven you for the pain you caused me. I hope, before it is too late, you will ask forgiveness from your Maker.

"And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea." (Mark 9:32).

Please read that scripture slowly for your own good. It does apply to you, me, and everyone else.

I do stand behind everything I stated in the post about what happened to me.
I stood behind it 11 years ago, and I will stand behind it as long as I live.
Whoever asks, I will tell them. I will not lie for you or for your church. I will not lie to the devil. I will not lie to God. I will not lie to others.

There is one thing I have in my life now that didn't have when I was there. It is peace.
I want to keep it that way.

Anyone that wants to catch up with me, you have my email address...

Jody

========== The post I am referring to here =========

I know this is long, but please take the time to read this if you would like to know what happened to me.

Most of this (if not all) was told to the Justice Dept back in 1994.
I was moved out to California when I was sixteen. Larry and I did not get along at all at the time (this was not uncommon), so Tony offered to have me live with a family (Rodriguez Family) out in California. Before I knew it, I was living in Canoga Park and helping Evie, Gina, Terry (Anna D's Sister) with the jackets.
Shortly thereafter, I started working as a tutor to some of the children. I worked with Anthony and Brandon, Tony B., and others. They were great kids!!! It was strange that I was tutoring them because I had not completed over 10th grade (the Georgia ridge raid).
I did love to read though, and Lord knows there was a shortage of books around the church, so I read Algebra, English, and so on. I became self-educated as did many of the children in the church.
Even on the ridge, we really didn't have a good school system in place. Remember guys, we would have school for four hours (just basic courses too -- everything else that encouraged our minds to think had been stripped from the curriculum), then we would go to work on the jackets.
As I had stated, I lived with the Rodriguez family in California. Nikki worked in Tony A?s house with Ann. As a teenage girl, I idolized Nikki R. and she worked with the pastor. She seemed to be quite a strong woman. So I wanted to do what she did. I began working in Tony's House with Nikki and Ann.
My first night working at Tony's house was hilarious!!!! I remember Tony was mad at Ann about something so silly. He worked himself into a frenzy and began calling her names, lesbian, •••••, etc.
Okay... I had always looked at Tony as "papa Tony" as the others had. But I clearly was seeing a different side. I always knew he had a disciplinary (abusive) side because of the Spec House beatings (YES -- The beatings did happen!). I was raised to believe he was the only one in the world to get messages from God. This is when I began to doubt about that. In my logical mind, I was thinking: Ann is married with a kid. God seriously cannot be calling her a lesbian or a female dog. Not that I entirely knew what a lesbian was, but I knew it was horrid behavior strictly forbidden that was between two women.
As time went on, Tony began talking about polygamy and the Old Testament quite a bit. I noticed Tony slowly introduced the topic and then began pushing it more and more. He would get some crazy idea in his head and then tell us to look for the scriptures to back it up. I used to argue scriptures with Tony quite a bit about this issue and others. I really didn't feel right about how things were going.
Shortly thereafter, he married Lydia - almost immediately putting her in ward. In case any of ya'll out there are not familiar with ward. It is when a man puts his woman away (does not have sexual relations with her). I really couldn?t tell if Lydia was upset about this or not. Then Tony began talking about the flames of hell and how someone in the room wasn't listening to God and marrying him and such. Well, the only other person in the room besides me would be him on most occasions when he would talk about these things.
After hearing him say all this stuff, how I was going to die very shortly and go to hell. I finally told him crying that I lived my life for God and I wanted to do God's will.
He then made arrangements to take me to Palm Springs to "marry" me.
I was terrified and asked to call my mom back in Arkansas. Tony told me I could not and he would make sure I never saw my family again unless I "consummated" the marriage. He even threatened to have some of the "brothers" drive me out to the desert and leave me there unless I slept with him. It was February 15th. Niki R. was there in Palm Springs. She knew how awful it was for me. I was dry heaving and couldn't sleep for days (found out lack of sleep was something I needed to become accustomed to later). The consummation didn't happen for a while, but I knew he would sooner or later force himself.
That did happen, and at first it was awful. I would cry the whole time. But in time I learned a very valuable trick on "my nights" with Tony. I learned how to separate myself from myself. I would actually allow my mind to take me elsewhere during that time. That is why he went around telling people that sleeping with me was like sleeping with a corpse and that I didn't like sex so something was wrong with me. Tony was very careful when he took me for a wife. He didn't want the church to know because the idea of polygamy wasn't accepted by his following yet. It later became pretty common knowledge around the church.
Anyway, after a few months went by, I saw Tony take, Isabel, Misheal (breaking up their marriage and taking her for himself), Tami (breaking up their marriage and taking her for himself as well), and Angel.
Things ended up happening towards the end of my time with him to show me that he wasn't a man of God at all. He wasn't even a real man. There were always things said and done that made me question his behavior, but then things started becoming so blatantly wrong, I couldn't make up any excuses in my head (or find reasoning in the scriptures) to justify his behavior.
There was an incident when I knew that I HAD done something and he was saying I hadn't. I said to him, "You say you can talk to God, Ask Him if I did?" He bowed his balding head and pretended to pray. Then looked up and said God had told him I didn't do it. I told him that he was lying. That was a loud, abusive day at the house.

Tami if you are reading this, Remember when he would have us burn receipts for different things in the little fire pit back on the house of Meadow Ln? I kept some of them and many more things to incriminate him. I put them in a box under my bed. After I left, I asked for my stuff back (my clothing and personal items).
Tony sent Evie and her boys to the restaurant where I worked and dumped the boxes at the front door during business hours. But in one of the boxes, were all the receipts for "wedding rings" and other things like the hotel receipt from Palm Springs that he signed when checking us in for our "marriage" under one name Funny, he actually gave me (after I left), some of the evidence the Justice Dept. used against him in court later. What a dumb @ss!
Also, for anyone wondering? Although I had been subpoenaed on the tax evasion trial, I did not testify because the government thought I would make a hostile witness. Although I told them the truth from start to end, I kept saying, "I know Tony did this but the scripture says this or that." The government thought this could hurt their case, so they quizzed me on things and then sent a special agent to testify as me on the stand.
I still wasn't 100% convinced this man was evil.
I even went over to the house to talk to him one day after I had left. He then told me about Lizzy and because she was so small, it took her three days for him to break her in. He also told me that if I didn't confess my sins to everyone in the room I would die within two minutes. I actually smiled and told him he would be the first to go. Well, after two minutes, I was still there and he was about to look like a fool. So he then decided it was the Lord's mercy on me that I was still sitting there, but if I didn't repent I would die within 2 years. Well that was a decade ago. I assure you this is Jody, and I am not back from the grave...
It did kind of remind me of the time he went around telling people God told him I was pregnant. Well, after he announced it to a room full of people, I called him aside and told him I definitely was NOT pregnant. He then stated God put a lying spirit in him to mess with me to show me how I mess with others.
Does anyone remember when he used to try to predict what the sex of the unborn child was when a woman was pregnant? It worked out for him a couple of times. But then the odds caught up with him and yes, he started getting them wrong.
Anyway back to the trial. It wasn't until after he wrote the tract about me calling my mom a prostitute that I dropped the "buts" and realized that he was 100% wrong and corrupt. So I did testify at the sentencing hearing.

And for anyone that wants to call me a whore, ••••, or anything else like you have Nikki F (I am sorry for your pain, Nikki). I had never kissed anyone, and I surely did not know what the act of sex entailed before that experience. We kids never had a sex ed class, nor did I think about things like that for fear God would hear my thoughts and strike me down in His fury.
Oh, the fear we lived in. I thank God I am free.

Jody

[iasmann (iasmann)]

I looked up Beccasue on e-bay. Here's what I saw. Everything she bought she paid for instantly. She didn't deliver on some stuff she sold so she refunded the money. No thievery here. Whether she lied about a death in the family or her computer being broken no one can prove. It's certainly possible that both did occur.

Let's see how Tony stands up under the same scrutiny.

Not too well! First of all he went to jail for lying on his tax return and not paying his taxes. This is a matter of public court record. He says he was railroaded by the Vatican because of his strong stand blah, blah, blah. But court evidence which is now public record shows he's lying. He declared a substantial income when applying for various loans for cars and other things. But declared no income on his tax return. (Later he stated that benefits he got from the foundation totalled 500 a month. Which wouldn't even pay the electric bill on his huge house on Georgia ridge. Around 10,000 square feet.)
So we have conclusive evidence that was presented to a jury proving that Tony is a liar. He signed both the loan apps showing substantial income and the tax return showing no income. As I said this is a matter of public record and can be verified by anyone.

Beccasue paid for everything she bought.

Not so with Tony. Remember all those cement trucks you bought Tony. Around half a dozen wasn't it. Tony wouldn't make the payments. He put Bob Streit down at the batch plant to watch for the repo man. Streit was one of the biggest bruisers in the foundation and would be more than a match for most repo men. But the Lord put a deep sleep upon Streit and the other person with him. When he awoke the trucks were gone. Repo'd because Tony wouldn't honor the contract he signed.

So now we have conclusive evidence that Tony is a thief as well.

There are hundreds of foundation creditors who will tell you the same thing. Tony never paid his bills.

Finally he got so far in debt he had to declare bankruptcy. Of course before he did it he got on the pulpit and declared he would never file for bankruptcy. The Lord would make a way but the Lord did not make a way because he had departed from Tony and Tony didn't even know it. When he did file it was done in secret. This time he stiffed everyone he owed money to.

There is much more and I could go on.

This post is not for Alamosupporter or Ivy or the others. It's for those who get on this website and see all this finger pointing and don't know who to believe. It's another case of Tony lying and stealing that can be verified from independant sources just like the "Messiah" book.

Again I know it pales in comparison to the other things he is now doing but it is another opportunity for those who care to see who is really the liar.

[iasmann (iasmann)]

alamosupporter,

Thanks for your post about the wine and marijuana.

I had completely forgotten but Tony was arrested and spent a night in the tank for being drunk and disorderly in public. Tom Barnett dropped him off at some club or something like that in Beverly Hills. Later he came home by himself acting very mysterious. The next AM Tony called from jail and had Tom come and pick him up. Again this can be easily verified as it is a matter of public record.

I enjoy your posts alamosupporter keep em coming.

[alamosupporter (alamosupporter)]

iansmann--- yeah, you know what? beccasue was paying for items with the people's money she stole. iansmann, you must have selective vision. I call bias. Anyone can and should look at beccasue's eBay site. do you want me to copy and paste every remark there left by people she ripped off? maybe a little later I will. iansmann, you are just siding with a liar as well. Maybe just putting your foot in your mouth again as beccasue stated you do alot and is your version of christianity. being unconverted as Peter was when he denied the Lord before being endued with the power from on high. You still haven't denied this all. So from a worldly perspective you are all O.K. but for someone like me who's striving for godliness you all fall horribly short. taking the side over a liar rather than the truth even in such a seemingly small issue just proves that you would do it for more serious and larger lies. iansmann, you were in that church for what, over 20 years? why don't you share some of the godly, powerful testimonies that you saw take place there for the edification of the Lord? people coming to the alter weeping from falling under conviction from the Holy Spirit through annointed preaching? you traitor. you judas iscariot antichrist devil. you are all the weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth that will be heard forever and ever. you are all wailing already, "but tony, but tony" you worms!!!
lol!!! God's going to laugh at your calamity and we'll be laughing right there with Him.



oh that's good iansmann, just make chris19 feel good about his weed smoking/twisting scripture. you are so far gone. i wonder if all the people out in radio land would agree with your methods. well, they probably would because that's probably the type audience you pull. unconverted, unregenerated sinners like you and the rest of you. beccasue, jody, double_j, chris19, and many others who are walking in utter darkness coming on here drunk, stoned, insane throwing all kinds of acco's they have heard or greatly exagerated stories of things that might have happened.
a guy i know at work didn't like how the company had installed cameras on the job pointing at us watching us working so he took a stick and moved the camera. well, as the story passed around when it got to me it turned into that he hit a casual with a stick. you people are idle babblers, i heard this, i heard that, blah blah blah as iansmann so eloquently puts it. you're all like a pack of dogs, licking each others wounds. too bad you don't have God for comfort. you have to come here and tell your sob story. how terrible. poor you. feel better? http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/sad.gif

[double_j (double_j)]

Alamo supproter wrote to me....

"why should we believe you Jared? you're probably just another liar like rebeccasue turned out to be. tony probably hurt your feelings by asking you to leave his church and now you're tramatized over it. Jared, Tony has rules there and you didn't want to keep them and he asked you and your whole family to go." that's all I've seen Tony do, put people out. so now you're disgruntled and into satanic music and
believe there are other gods and obviously have a wild immagination according to someposts I saw you leave on another Christian website saying "would it be ok to kill 300 people, would I still go to heaven?" that's just a crazy question. I wonder what the FBI would say about that. Are you considering killing 300 people Jared? why would you ask such a question? to see his question just go here. ->
http://www.christian-forum.net/lofiversion/index.php/t562.html

WELL FIRST OFF....I dont go around asking questions about god....ever think there is more than one Double J out there in this world????/ Nice try. And no I dont need to lie about it.....Cuzz I dont give a crap. It should be very apperant from all my other posts I dont ask questions about why God did this or what ever that crap is on that web site....#1 ...I never heard of that web site....# 2...not my cup of tea to go to christain web sites....Id rather watch the weather channel than debate God with you or some other moron...... most definately another Double J.....
As far as me being disgruntled....Aaaahhh Hardly...lol. No I am not. As a matter of fact, I am happy, with 4 beautiful children (that will not and dont get beaten), I have a great job and a family that loves me....I'd say thats pretty content.....Wouldnt you?????


You said "Tony had rules" and I "didn't want to keep them, so he aasked me to leave" HA ..... is thats what he told you? Well if so, then yet another lie from him. Actually, I was accused by Glen Grickson of throwing an grapefruit out of a bus window, and hitting a winshield and cracking it. I told Tony Alamo I wasn't the one who did it....Tony Alamo said..."GOD TOLD ME IT WS YOU AND YOU ARE LYING".

Problem is....I didnt do it....Even Levi Willis said I couldnt of done it, cuzz I was sitting next to him. However Tony insisted the LORD was telling him I did it....(it wasnt the Lord he was talking or hearing)....He ordered me to recieve 70 swatts. I said no...I wasn't going to get them, cuzz i didnt do it. He then told me I was getting kicked out. Put me on a plane the next day, and had me fly to LA to meet my parents...... You know, I probably would have taken those swats that day, If I had really thrown that orange/gapefruit.......But I did not do it. Tony Alamo is a liar and a fake.

As far as ME being a liar....Ummm NO... There is not much I hate....But a liar is one of them.

These things happened not only to myself, but to my friends, and my brother when we were involved with the Alamo Foundation bac in the 80's.

Now lets get back to the fact that none of these Tony Alamo supporters will address the main issues on this board. That is the CHILD ABUSE issue, and the polygamy issue.....It seems that every time an Alamo supporter or wife or someone posts, they only quote scriptures and avoid the direct issue of the beatings that took place on the Ridge in Arkansas and the multiple wives or concubines that Tony Alamo has.

That is great that people write letters to Tony Alamo and thank him for helping him...... Thats great that people survived, when they were
down and out. (I believe that would be by Gods graces though that they are still alive not a mans graces....but who am I to say) Thats great
that people in other countries have found Christ, and feel better about their lives. I wonder if they know that Tony Alamo is married to more than one woman? All these people posting on here talk about how good Tony Alamo has treated them, and we all know how good he can quote scriptures, still it does not change that fact that Tony Alamo
practices polygamy.

Now lets talk about the child abuse issue for a minute...

All these letters from people who are thanking Tony Alamo for them
finding God,and bring Christ into their lives, still does not change the facts that Tony Alamo ordered many CHILDREN back in the 80's to be
beaten with a board....( I don't know if he still does this these days, for I had enough back in the 80's and said no more, and we got kicked out) Some were beaten so badly they were bleeding. (this I know because it happened to my brother) There were times I was beaten so badly It would take me a minute (literally a minute) or more to sit down, and every time I would move, the pain would course though my body. I would be black and blue on my butt for weeks at a time. I remember one time I was hit, I believe it was 40 times, it may have been 70 but think it was 40 times with a board for holding my breathe in class and I passed out in the class room. Luckily,when I fell
backwards (unconscious) my head hit a pile of books that were on the floor next to my desk, otherwise my head would have probably split
open from hitting the tile.....It was a stupid trick I know, but I had just figured out by dong this you could make yourself dizzy, and was
showing it to my classmates. I got BEATEN at Tony Alamos house for that. It may sound like a childish and foolish thing to do (holding
your breathe to get dizzy) but at the time I was only a child. I believe I was 13 years old when this happened. . Did that really deserve to beaten with a 2x4? Holding your breathe in class.... Man what a horrible sin against God.

Post all the letters (whether they are true or fake)....What does that have to do with the fact that many children were severely beaten
at the hand of Tony Alamo or beaten after given the orders from Tony Alamo back in the 80's at the Ridge, inside Tony Alamos "Spec House"?

Tony Alamo will be eventually be held accountable in a court of law. You can not beat children and then just think that you can get away with it by quoting scriptures and calling people whores, homos, imps,devils, back-sliders, punks...etc....... It does not matter if it was
15+ years ago or not. I finally have built up enough courage to tell just part of my story and tell some of the stories of others I know
who have been beaten or abused at the Alamo Foundation back in the 80's at the hands and orders of Tony Alamo. Did Tony Alamo and Susan Alamo help young and old, destitute and broke
people get on their feet and find God.... .Yes.....Did Tony Alamo
order those peoples children to be beaten back in the 80's.... Yes It doesn't matter how long ago these children were abused, and I am including myself....the fact is he still had children beaten, and some times these children were beaten to a bloody pulp. By LAW they were physically abused. Tony Alamo can still be, and probably will be charged for some of these crimes that he has committed against children. Call me all the
names you want. Yes I am a backslider, yes at times I can have a foul mouth.......That still does not change the fact that many children
were beaten at the Alamo Foundation at the orders of Tony Alamo. That is a fact. It will remain a fact.

Double J...AKA - Jared Balsley (and yes there are other double j's in the world)
Go ahead ...Im waiting for the attack on me..... Tell me how Im a Imp, big mouth, call me a liar, say Im disgruntled.....Fact is....Tony Alamo has abused far too many children, I will continue to post what happened to me, my brother and my frieds until this lunatic is stopped.

[iasmann (iasmann)]

Thanks for the clarification. I'd never heard the term.

Telephone - you mean like first he made 100 corrections to the Messiah book then then he made 500. Is that it.

As I said I'm not posting to you or for you. Anyone who doesn't know who to believe can simply examine a bunch of public records. I've seen the credit apps from Jim Reed Chevrolet. Anyone can examine the statements I'm making to see if it's "telephone" or not. So far nothing any Alamo supporter has posted can be verified except by another Alamo supporter. I've posted things that can be verified by anybody.

[alamosupporter (alamosupporter)]

this is getting boring and tedious but I'll answer that very briefly again. I have verified:
1. that beacca levy gay is a thief and a liar. this is from many different ebayers. and her account was suspended by eBay.


It has been 17 days since payment, no item. Seller won't repsond to emails
Buyer tinabluez27ky ( 24) Jul-27-05 20:25 5406761459


never recieved shorts in the middle of trying to get my money back from pay pal
Buyer efko227 ( 13) Jul-26-05 14:03 6783684892


this is the worst seller I have ever dealt with, no response to emails no jeans!
Buyer geege66 ( 124) Jul-25-05 15:18 5406691620

No Communication. After filed complaint club arrived terrible condition. Beware!

Item not received; refund from Paypal; death in family.
Buyer griswolds_funnyfarm ( 71) Mar-07-05 14:12 5552185823
Reply by beccasue1975: Couldn't help death in family - Reffunded money - Sorry...... Mar-17-05 17:08
Follow-up by griswolds_funnyfarm: Lied & said item shipped; another excuse was computer crashed.

26 DAYS-NO RESPONSE TO CALLS/EMAILS-NO PRODUCT-FILED FOR REFUND! AWFUL SELLER!
Buyer yvettedem ( 582) Feb-21-05 04:58 5552185823
Reply by beccasue1975: Spoke to buyer svrl xs- sudden death in my family & bad address by buyer delay Feb-21-05 18:43
Follow-up by yvettedem: lied said computer died..PAYPAL ref money! should have read lousy feedback 1st

Excellent buyer. Quick payment. Great ebayer!!!!!
Seller gvodbargainhouse ( 2330) Dec-13-02 05:32 1978656932
Follow-up by gvodbargainhouse: Worst Buyer EVER!!!! Very Vulgar E-Mail!!!! AVOID THIS HOTHEAD-BIG TROUBLE!!!!!! Dec-17-02 16:20
Reply by beccasue1975: Seller listed dvd as NEW It came SCRATCHED and WITH OUT the box in a cd sleeve

won and bought it june 6th and it is july 13 still no item
Buyer snskodiholt ( 8 ) Jul-13-02 18:51 2028594880
Reply by beccasue1975: total cmptr crash rspncbl 4 Dlay. u can C frm my fdbk I hve nvr had ths prob B4 Jul-21-02 21:17


won and bought it june 6th and it is july 13 still no item
Buyer snskodiholt ( 8 ) Jul-13-02 18:51 2028597250
Reply by beccasue1975: total cmptr crash rspncbl 4 delay. she got itms xctly as described. unpleaseable Jul-21-02 21:15


Item purchased on June 5th. Shipping promised weeks ago. Not sent & no response
Buyer stlchef ( 94) Jul-10-02 15:47 2028594382
Reply by beccasue1975: total cmptrcrash rspncbl 4 Dlay.U can C frm my fdbk hve nvr had ths prob B4 Jul-21-02 21:20

wow, you're computer crashes alot. how come it's only after you receive their money? and then it never crashes when you want to but something. do you know whats it's like to buy something from someone and you send them the money and then you never get the item? and then you look at their account and see that they're buying things from other people meanwhile they don't answer your emails when you're trying to find out where your stuff is and then on top of that they throw you a load of bull on top of it? you people are very unjust




ok 2. again, you're horrible doctrine (you)
3. admittance of the use of illegal drugs on the internet (cris curry)
4. admittance you being a drunk (jody)
5 bill_l, well, he speaks for himself just read his posts and you can see what a creepy dude he is. i think he's a phoney though. i bet if i seen him he wouldn't want to tangle with me.


these things are "verified" so why are you saying we haven't verified anything? it's mostly out of your own mouths except your pitiful excuses for rebecca levy gay

[beccasue1975 (beccasue1975)]

Alamo Supporter...

In case you are retarded let me explain for you... the people pay for their Ebay stuff ONLINE via PayPal. You dont have to have internet access to receive it. It just posts to a bank account. I had no computer for about 48 days. When I got my computer back I reffunded all money. Geeze you are unreal!

[alamosupporter (alamosupporter)]

keep lying, it's your native language

[rattlesnake (rattlesnake)]

Beccasue, just ignore alamosupporter, no one else cares what he says about the ebay thing. It has nothing to do with anything that any of you all have told and collaberated together to portray a picture to the public of how Alamo operates. He is just trying to annoy and distract you all from telling your stories and trying to make you all look bad so that hopefully others will focus on you and not alamo. He is succeeding to a degree so shut him down, ignore him. The more you all argue back, the happier this idiot is. The important thing is that you tell your story so SHOUT it from the mountain tops!!!!
Mistakes happen and everyone makes them, we are all human. It is when we do things like abuse children, raping and beating etc. Those are not mistakes, those are horrible crimes and telling about that to the world will get a lot more attention than some ebay messup and a few disgruntled buyers. Let it go and ignore him. If he wants to support Tony, let him, who cares? Maybe he can sit in the cell next to Tony and they can comfort each other and dry each other tears.

You know in your heart the truth and that is all that matters!!!!

[false_prophet_detecter (false_prophet_detecter)]

im a blasphemer of your belief
im a liar the truth is not in me
im a seeker cant get no relief
im an actor i be what i want to be


did you know that liars use 30% more of their brain than average people

[false_prophet_detecter (false_prophet_detecter)]

did any one see saw 2 i heard it was better than the first

[false_prophet_detecter (false_prophet_detecter)]

hi becca sue i remember u and your sister julie 2

[false_prophet_detecter (false_prophet_detecter)]

awwww where did everyone go? lol

[jules11468 (jules11468)]

false-prophet, who are you? This is Julie, Rebecca's sister

[somedude (somedude)]

jules11468 -- do you look like ms. piggy also?

[false_prophet_detecter (false_prophet_detecter)]

cool since ive taken over i think i want to start a super ministry one thats better than any one elses.
who wants to be my bishop. i believe in polygamy so if you dont sorry youll have to join someone elses band. lets see any 5 to 15 year olds want to be my wife? send me your pics. please respond we will take over the world for JC

[false_prophet_detecter (false_prophet_detecter)]

wow julie do you remember sweety pie and blacky and putting us down for naps in the little pink nursery.

[jules11468 (jules11468)]

Somedude, get a life!

[jules11468 (jules11468)]

I definitely remember the pink nursery but not too sure about blacky and sweetie pie??? Refresh my memory. I am usually pretty good with details, but not sure what you are talking about here.

[false_prophet_detecter (false_prophet_detecter)]

i have a question what was the original sin? please respond very important

[jules11468 (jules11468)]

Are you talking about the horses? blacky and sweetie pie?

[holdol27 (holdol27)]

falseprophetdetector----who r u? this is holly {elmore}

[yomama (yomama)]

false_prophet_detecter
the guy that made this clipart > http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/smile.gif

[yomama (yomama)]

false_prophet_detecter
no no I mean > http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/FactLogoSmall.gif

[yomama (yomama)]

false_prophet_detecter
WAITE WAITE I mean >
{http://www.walmart.com,http://www.walmart.com (http://www.walmart.com%2Chttp://www.walmart.com)}

[false_prophet_detecter (false_prophet_detecter)]

we do have to remember tony was a promoter. remember all those messages directly from the holy ghost that said he could make more money than anyone else in the church. wow what awesome power. im so impressed. maybe tony can buy his way into heaven, pete at the pearlys is taking bribes lately. ha ha
i came back to the cult one time with a friend and tonys stipulation was that you couldnt have fornicated at that time.well he asked my friend to his face "have you fornicated since youve been out?" and my friend lied right through his teeth and said no. tonya i mean tony kinda looked off into the distance for a minute, and said "the holy ghost is telling me that your not lying" i knew that he was full of poo poo from that moment on. I remember when Al Cummings died Jamie Willis asked the profit of moffit if he would be raised from the dead. the profit said yes. well Al died and later i asked jamie what t&a said james said "o he said that well all be raised on the last day" i fell over lauphing man that tonya is a sly one. how does he do it. i remember this crappy little church that we were renting in ft. smith before the prison complex they bought. and tony was outside he stated in front of 500 witnesses we will get the ridge propertys back or im a false profet. well they never got them back. does any one else remember this?

[yomama (yomama)]

<font color="0000ff"><font face="verdana,arial,helvetica"><font size="+1">SORRY GUYS JUST KIDDIN MY BAD AGAIN http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/blush.gifhttp://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/blush.gifhttp://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/blush.gif</font></font></font>

[false_prophet_detecter (false_prophet_detecter)]

yes i remember ed mic whipped sweety pies eye out.
that was kinda sad. hey julie i say you and elisha o on current affair a while back. man i thought you girls were bad. now your my heroes.

[yomama (yomama)]

<font face="courier new,courier"></font>http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gifthe profit of moffit

[holdol27 (holdol27)]

falseprophetdetector----do u remember peter levin?

[jules11468 (jules11468)]

false, man who are you? lol @ "now you are my heroes"

[yomama (yomama)]

false_prophet_detecter>YOU STILL TRYIN TO START YOUR OWN FOUNDATION http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

[beccasue1975 (beccasue1975)]

False Prophet,
You are stinkin' funny man!
Seriously, I am laughing so hard my kids are lookinga t me saying "mom what is sooo funny???"

Do you ahve a sister my age?

[false_prophet_detecter (false_prophet_detecter)]

hey i think the more we make fun of tonys hateful ways the more he puffs up like a puffer fish. i think hell pop pretty soon hes getting kinda bloated

[yomama (yomama)]

WELL GOTA GO ADIOS

[jules11468 (jules11468)]

false, give me a hint!

[anonymous2 (anonymous2)]

yomama
see yahttp://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/kiss.gif

[jewels81475 (jewels81475)]

FPD-is it You, it's killing me to know if your who I think you are..Do you remember me? Julie Armstrong? Please e-mail me. Whether you are or not, pleeeeease e-mail me. jewelsl81475@yahoo.com

[iasmann (iasmann)]

Tony did change his name after he was saved but not legally. He changed his name when he was in hiding to Harvey Cochran.

Harvey was a brother who got permanently disabled in a car wreck while out distributing Tony's literature. He had been at the foundation for about 20 years. After he was injured Tony didn't want to pay for his care so he dumped him in a nursing home and abandoned him. He said he was a weasel for having the accident. That's Tony's idea of Christian love.

Then Tony stole his ID when he went into hiding.

Nancy Ross says, "On July 5, 1991, Alamo was "captured" in Tampa, Florida where he and other church members openly operated a hardware store and family-style restaurant."

The coward was openly going under the name of Harvey Cochran and using Harvey's ID. Again this is indisputable fact that is backed by arrest records and court records. He was not going around under his own name like Nancy alleges.

Have you noticed the pattern yet. Everything Tony accuses everyone else off he is actually guilty of himself. The evidence he uses against them is based on hearsay and unprovable allegations. But God has arranged for the evidence against Tony to be 100% verifiable by sworn court testimony or other public records.

Of course Tony will say it's all a Vatican or Can plot blah, blah, blah. But think about this.

What are the chances that all these people from around the country are CAN members or Jesuit priests. You've got Jury members in Memphis, police officers in Tampa, a truck sales company in Arkansas, a bankruptcy court, his own website, a book written long before he got saved, a car dealer in Nashville, his own tax returns etc. The list goes on and on. They can't all be plants working for CAN or the Vatican but that's what Tony keeps saying. It's like a broken record. Just read Nancy Ross's story.

Not to mention dozens of people who have personally known him and have seen real atrocities far worse than anything mentioned here.

He wants to know why I don't talk about the altar calls full of souls with tears streaming down their faces. Because that hasn't happened over there in almost THIRTY years. That's why. All he has now is 15 year old testimonies from Chalais and Demoulin. It's pathetic. The scribes and pharisee's searched land and sea and got a proselyte. Tony's so pathetic he searches land and sea but can't come up with a new proselyte in 15 years.

Tony did destroy the foundation. It says so right in the Nancy Ross story. Tony gave up 52 million dollars worth of the Lord's property to the devil. Property that God had given to the church to use in winning souls that Christ died for. Tony gave it all away in a fit of uncontrollable rage when he had a little boy beaten 140 times with a 2 by 4. And when he lied on his tax return.

The bible says "He that covereth his sins shall not prosper:" that's why the Lord took away everything he had and threw him in jail.

We helped him to cover his sin that's why we ended up on the street as well. But we took heed to the second half of that scripture, "whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy" and Tony hardened his heart to it.

Tony is still covering up these sins decades later. I know many of the people posting for him are doing so because they are coerced. The Lord knows that and will have mercy. But some of you are grown men and women who know better and are in a position to stop what's going on just by going to the police and reporting it. There is no statute of limitations on child molestation. That's why all these catholic priests were busted 20 and 30 years after their crimes. It will never be too late to report this stuff until Tony is in the grave.

His greatest claim to fame is a bunch of letters from foreign countries from people who've never even met him. He writes tracts and preaches messages about stuff he doesn't practice anywhere but in his own mind.

Susie always used to say "if you want to know how to do something ask someone who's never done it." That about fits the bill for Tony's tracts.

[smitty (smitty)]

Posted on Friday, November 04, 2005 - 10:19 am:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Being somewhat klutzy w/ the computer, I can't seem to contact the Moderators of these threads. Would someone else who can PLEASE get ahold of them and get this crap cleaned up.

[rattlesnake (rattlesnake)]

I am sure that even God is cringing at this so called Christian language and behaviour that you alamo supporters use.
Probably even Tony would be disappointed in you because for an outsider to sit and read all of this, they would definately not believe that a leader who allowed his followers to speak and behave in such an outrageous and rude manner would be a leader led by God.

All the time that you spend trying to convince outsiders how righteous and godly Tony Alamo is, is blown to bits by all your nasty posts.

Seriously think about it from a mature point of view if you will. The Alamo supporters are the ones trying to prove that Tony is led by God and that everyone else is just trying to destroy Tony, for whatever reason.

If you, alamo supporters, had never heard of Tony Alamo, and you were seriously trying to get some sort of answers about whether or not he was truly led by God, would you find what you are saying very convincing?

I know you will come back at me with something rude, at this point I expect nothing less, but I think that if you really search your heart, deep down you know this is true.

If you truly believe that Tony is who you think he is, then do you not think that he is capable of defending himself?

And if you are truly worried about someone getting turned off from following Tony because of what the non-supporters are saying, consider this: If Tony really is chosen by God and God wanted to choose someone to be a follower of Him through Tony, do you not have enough confidence in God to see his will be done regardless of what is said on here?

Why don't you let God and Tony fight this battle instead of coming on here and making Tony and his ministry look like such an unattractive ministry?

Please really give this some consideration. Right now things don't look too attractive and as a "mostly" outsider, I have to tell you ... they ain't getting any better.

[false_prophet_detecter (false_prophet_detecter)]

Forget about faith. you don't need faith to fly, you need to understand flying.

[forestbrain (forestbrain)]

^ are you serious?
Read Hebrews 11....

[moonflower (moonflower)]

I have very little time to be on this corrupt message board because I work for the Lord and can’t waste much time on this, so I have to get everything out that I have to say at once so bear with me for just a little longer. Then I’m out of here. (For the record, Tony doesn’t even know I’m writing this. I have access to the internet and post what I want when I want.)

I want to get another thing straight. I am here in this church not because I was born here but because the Lord has shown me personally beyond any doubt that Pastor Alamo is of the Lord, not because I was told he was. I only listen to the Lord, not to human flesh.

Most of the children that were in the church were here because their parents were and because it was all they knew. But some of us had had real experiences with the Lord and had a closeness with the Lord that went beyond just being in the church. After the government had the church property raided the property and kicked us all out onto the streets, we all went to make livings for ourselves. Some families stayed in touch with the church and tithed but some didn’t. I’m ashamed to say ours didn’t. We had the chance to live the way you all are living now. Some people loved it and chose it rather than a life of self denial, which is what we are commanded to live. But I was miserable out there. I always talked to my family about wanting to get back to the church. I hated it out there. My flesh may have liked some of it, but I knew I wasn’t right with God. No matter how much I tried to serve Him out there, I just couldn’t. There were so many things to distract me from serving the Lord. It was impossible to keep the first and most important commandment, which is love the Lord with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength. The Lord kept dealing with me to get back to the church. It wasn’t anything Tony told me. As a matter of fact, I never talked to him, and I rarely heard his message tapes. It was just between God and I, the Lord dealing with me like He had so many times before. (I know when God’s dealing with me.) I couldn’t sleep at night because I knew I wasn’t where God wanted me. I lived like that for years. I couldn’t bring myself to just leave my family and go back even though I wanted to so badly. To make a long story short, my family finally came back to the church. This time I was blessed with the opportunity that I never had before while growing up in the church (none of the children did, they only heard from other people, “Tony said this, Tony said that” most of which Tony never said. You all remember the cruelty to the children brought on by the likes of Dale and Cindy Garris and many others. All of which Tony was very angry about when he heard, and these adults were not allowed to be in positions of taking care of children anymore). This time I got to work around Tony because I worked in the church office. This is when I found out for myself (not taught by anyone else) that he truly is a prophet of the Lord. I have witnessed personally him praying over many, many people (I would never be able to give an amount because it’s such a common occurrence) and they were healed instantly. I’ve seen him, many times, be warned from the Lord to leave somewhere and he, of course, obeyed right away, as he always does, and each time it is manifested why the Lord had him leave—once an earthquake, once a flood, etc.—too many times to mention if I want to finish this tonight. (I’ve got other things to do. I do have a life.) Many times someone will be worried because they think something is really wrong with them or they think something bad is going to happen, and the pastor prays and the Lord tells him everything is okay. And sure enough everything was okay. In fact, that just happened today. Then other times something would happen and it seemed in normal circumstances that it would be no big deal and the pastor says the Lord is warning me about this. This person needs to go to the hospital or do this or do that, and it turns out if they wouldn’t have followed the Lord’s instructions through Tony there would have been a death or something really bad would have happened. I can give two examples. 1) A boy fell out of a tree. Everyone one was just treating it like a minor accident because no one actually saw him fall out of the tree and he had no sign of something seriously being wrong with him. He said he was fine and was already feeling better. When the pastor found out it the Lord instructed him to get him to the hospital right away. They drove him there, and when they got him to the hospital they gave him an MRI and he was bleeding behind the skull, causing his brain to be pushed to the left. They had to operate right away, and everything ended up fine. But the doctors kept commenting that if he hadn’t been brought in as soon as he was there would have been brain damage or death. But because of Tony’s constant with the Lord and they got him to the hospital so fast, he had a very successful surgery and very quick recovery. Of course, Tony gives all the glory to the Lord. 2)There was a woman having twins in the church. The one baby had come and the midwives were just waiting for the other to come. It had only been a little while. Pastor Tony was studying and writing, and he came out right in the middle of writing and said, “The Lord’s telling me to take her to the hospital right away or she and the baby will die. Of course they acted immediately on his instruction, and the doctor had to rush her into an emergency C-section because they said the woman’s womb was closing up with the baby still inside. Again they kept saying that if she wouldn’t have gotten there when she did both her and the baby would have died.

There have been so many times that I have been going through something and never told anyone. I just prayed to the Lord about it, and the same day the Lord will give Tony a message or have him say something that will be exactly what I needed to hear at that time. There was no way he would’ve known unless he was hearing from the Lord. I’ve had a thought come across by brain, and just as it was going through my brain, he told me what I was thinking. These are things that no one can argue with because I know for a fact that they are true, and these are a few of the reasons that nothing you all say will convince me that Tony is not of the Lord. I haven’t even mentioned the obvious: the millions of souls he has won to the Lord. “By their fruits ye shall know them” (Matt. 7:20). “He that winneth souls is wise” (Prov. 11:30). So he that wins the most souls must be the wisest. You would do well to listen to him.

There’s so much more I could say. But these are just a few of the reasons I know Pastor Alamo to be of the Lord. I know God has called me into this ministry. The Bible says, “Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called” (I Cor. 7:20). So anyone who tries to tell me to do other wise, “Get thee behind me, Satan.” I’m here because I know God wants me here. My fear is not “taught to me by the precepts of men” (Isa. 29:13). God has dealt with me personally, and I will never listen to human flesh.

Anyone who happens upon this message board, if the Lord is leading you to come to the Tony Alamo Christian Ministries and you listen to these people’s lies and let them sway you, instead of heeding God’s calling, you are conferring with flesh and blood, and you will be led astray. This is why the Lord says, “Take heed what you hear” (Mark 4:23).

Remember these words to a song: “You won’t lose a friend by heeding God’s calling, for what is a friend if he wants you to fall. Others find pleasure in things I despise. I like that old Christian life.”

[rattlesnake (rattlesnake)]

Moonflower:
True, those are great things that happened and yet, amazingly enough, God performs miracles and he speaks to people all over the world. The most amazing thing of all is that God speaks to people and performs miracles for people and the majority of these people don't have to live in a foundation where children are abused, molested and married off as children brides, not to mention having to live as concubines to some man who has a hard time being sexually satisfied with one woman.

Did it ever occur to you that maybe, deep down, Tony got a little worried and decided he better seek outside help so he would not end up in hot water if something went wrong? Always a possibility, you know.

[soulsmirror (soulsmirror)]

7 ¶ The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction proverbs 1:7
yyou all should read this scripture, afterall thats why you left, to do your own thing, right? i guess you figured you didn't need to listen to real wisdom, the bible, instead you set your eyes on other men to save you or set your eyes on them to believe in them, when all along it was simple, read the scriptures, thats what tony made you do, i've heard his tapes, as a matter of fact i've listened to thousands or at least hundereds of them, and everything he says in them linesup in the bible, but i guess you guys were to busy being bored (susie groulx) to realize that everytime you listen to them you were listening ot wisdom and you don't have any and you definitely don't fear the Lord, so you should know that on judgement day you won't beable to piont the finger at anyone you'll be all alone, then what you gonna do? }}

[jules11468 (jules11468)]

Okay, So let me get this straight...The "Scripture" says it is okay to rape, abuse children, have more than one wife, and lie? Wow, must be that new Bible that Tony is writing.

[soulsmirror (soulsmirror)]

i no tony alamo personally, and none of those things you accused him of are true and unlike you i don't and never have lived by every word that comes out the mouth of tony, i preffer the bible and nothing else

[christophr19 (christophr19)]

listened to thousands or at least hundereds of them.....well soulsmirror, which one is it?
There is quite a difference between the two.

Alright phony a-lame-O, nice try. No matter how many different screen names you post under, you still sound the same. So, you NO tony alamo personally, eh? And you say you prefer the bible only right? Well, than how about you line phony up with the Bible, then lets see if you really NO phony.

[soulsmirror (soulsmirror)]

probably thousands, i wasn't counting i was listening,and yes i no Tony Alamo personally, got a problem with that? if you do i don't care, so get thee hence

[christophr19 (christophr19)]

no, you got it wrong...I am chris not get thee hence. Boy, and I thought you said that I was mentally challenged?
And the word is know....not NO....you know phony's nuts....now do you understand? Or do I need to make you go in front of the class and spell it on the chalkboard?

[gettheehence (gettheehence)]

no chrisphr19, soulsmirror didn't wasn't the only one who said you were mentally challenged. you said it yourself. right?

[false_prophet_detecter (false_prophet_detecter)]

im mentally challenged
dont forget about me
i dont have a mind
i lost it at the foundation
last time i ate chicken
my cockadoodledoo flew out the coop

[soulsmirror (soulsmirror)]

christophr19 , again you're so lame, i no how to spell, but since it bothers you so much when i type like this i think i'll continue, hey thanks for having my back gettheehence

[christophr19 (christophr19)]

so like, are y'all the backdoor boys? And if so, what will your new single be called? Perhaps you should name it: You like my backside!
Retarded....mentally challenged...they actually mean the same thing.

[false_prophet_detecter (false_prophet_detecter)]

no chris we are remember. oh i luv you so much chris when are we going to see each other again.
i cant wait.
we can do drugs and scratch each others dandruff.
lolol

[soulsmirror (soulsmirror)]

nah not gay,i know you got your hopes up for a minute, but i don't swing your way boys, so maybe you should get with eachother since no one else would want you

[false_prophet_detecter (false_prophet_detecter)]

we already have and what god has put together let no soulmirror rip apart

[soulsmirror (soulsmirror)]

well hope you like burning together eternally

[false_prophet_detecter (false_prophet_detecter)]

im on fire
im on ouch its hot
wait theres a cool spot
oh no its just as hot over here
aaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh god pleze save me
im on fire
aaaaaaghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ill never call you a poopoo head again (knashing on my noofers)
aaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ill never speak against your one and only servant (tony aflamo) again
ahhhhh f u god i guess im not getting out
of here i may as well enjoy it
hey satan come over here theres this guy up there on earth that i want u to get rid of
aaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh whats that i have to do what no not that again
i cant pretend that well
aaaaaahhhhhhhhhh so hot so gawdamn hot
have mercy on me a goofball
i dont deserve this for all eternity
just kill him gawdamn it
fine ill do anything
aaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
hahahahahahahah lolololololololo
why doesnt your all powerful god strike me down
soulsnatch

[false_prophet_detecter (false_prophet_detecter)]

because your idea of god is a dead one

[soulsmirror (soulsmirror)]

well for one tony is not Gods only servant, and don't worry you'll be going to hell, its enlarging its mouth for you, its to bad you turned out this way, i know how much your family used to care for you

[false_prophet_detecter (false_prophet_detecter)]

my family are the ones that do the will of the source my earthly family is completely lost
you are a silly person
maybe you should try stand up

[false_prophet_detecter (false_prophet_detecter)]

it better enlarge its mouth cause i have a massive tool

[soulsmirror (soulsmirror)]

you're a reprobate, who will stand small and naked before God and there's nothing you could say that will ever change that so say whatever i'm not gonna waste my time with you telling you stuff that you know to be true

[false_prophet_detecter (false_prophet_detecter)]

totally ERECT and naked before god
i hope he doesnt get turned on
that big silly guy

[false_prophet_detecter (false_prophet_detecter)]

yeah you better not waste your time
im sure you have a prayer hour bible hour and a watch to get to (you dont want to miss out on bucks)
me i have all the time in the world
since i sold my soul to the devil
i make as much money i want when i want
thank you satan
praise you satan
thank you satan
praise you satan
abadee abadeeee ahhhh
i can speak in tongues on the type writer
what a cool trick

[soulsmirror (soulsmirror)]

you don't know anything about my life, so while yyou're worshipping satan i'll be ignoring you

[false_prophet_detecter (false_prophet_detecter)]

why wont you go away
your not going to save my soul
im a lost cause
go fart at someone else

[helives (helives)]

soulmirror

Have you ever lived in Tony's house?

just a simple answer is all that is needed!

yes or no

[helives (helives)]

moonflower
how many times are you going to copy and paste the same post?

Won't tony let you get on and type something different?

It would be nice to hear from you.

[soulsmirror (soulsmirror)]

soulmirror

Have you ever lived in Tony's house?

just a simple answer is all that is needed!

yes or no
wow wouldn't you like to know, hmmmmmmmmmmmm............... should i answer? nah i don't think i will, too bad for you

[helives (helives)]

I take your response as a "no" since you couldn't even think on your own enough to be able to respond with a simple yes or no. Is tony busy and can't tell you what to type? Maybe his line is busy so you can't call him to get direction on how to respond to the question.

It is really sad that you can't answer a simple question without some kind of game!

[soulsmirror (soulsmirror)]

awwwwwwwwwwwwww did i make you madd? too bad i don't care.

[helives (helives)]

No you didn't make me mad! Just asked a simple question, and you can't answer it!

[christophr19 (christophr19)]

no chris we are remember. oh i luv you so much chris when are we going to see each other again.
i cant wait.
we can do drugs and scratch each others dandruff....... EO! You make me us sound like monkeys. I take offense at this! I am an arangutang (did I say that right?) But as for the drugs and dandruff, warm up the bugs and fry up the lice, cuz I am on my way! I'm eatin' dandruff ta-nite!

[christophr19 (christophr19)]

Ok, I just got to say, that although some of us are bantering back and forth; joking around and pushing buttons. We are just having fun, you know something that was not allowed on the commune! And yes, some of our comments are pretty silly, and cheezy, but this one......
..............................yes or no, wow wouldn't you like to know, hmmmmmmmmmmmm............... should i answer? nah i don't think i will, too bad for you.............well, this just sounds like an angry 6 yr. old boy who is sulking.
It is not like a life changing question here.
We just asked you to indentify yourself like most of us have.
And another thing, you keep promising to ignore us......so exactly when will you start doing this? Cuz I wanna put money on how long you can go with out lashing out at us, about how we are dogs, demons, <font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font>, or how dammed we are.
see you in your dreams, sweetcheeks!

[safenowinspite (safenowinspite)]

You can tell the difference between those who acually know Jesus and those who have religion. Those who actually know Jesus would never presume to do Gods job for Him and tell others they are a reprobate. They are careful with their words. Those with religion , when they get angry, threaten others with Gods wrath as though they controle it. They assume they can tell God what to do with His judgements. If they look in the bible they will find themselves more guilty then the others.
There were 2 men praying. One was righteous in himself and said...Oh God I thank You that Im not like these other terrible sinners. The other humbled himself and put his face to the ground and cried to God. Oh God have mercy on me a sinner. Which one is justified?
Walk a mile in my shoes, then you can see clearly to help me take this spec out of my eye.
And heres news supporter under a new name.....Tony doesnt know what God is going to do with you either. Or me. If he says and doesnt do is he not guilty also?..or does God actually allow one person to cross the line and not have any pateince with another? Does God actually have a favorate that can tell Him what to do? Is God fair. I have seen that He is extremely merciful with all of us. He puts out His arms of love and when we respond, we get more mercy. When we lash back and lash out at others we harden our own hearts, and this automatically brings what?

[soulsmirror (soulsmirror)]

To: helives
I could answer your question but I choose not to, it’s none of your business, where I have or haven’t lived.
To: christophr19
just because you’ve identified yourself doesn’t mean I have to. I reserve the right to privacy, a right that I have as an American citizen.
“And another thing, you keep promising to ignore us......so exactly when will you start doing this? Cuz I wanna put money on how long you can go with out lashing out at us, about how we are dogs, demons, ••••, or how dammed we are.
see you in your dreams, sweetcheeks!” I never made a promise to any of you, Eric was worshiping satan and blaspheming so I told him “you don't know anything about my life, so while yyou're worshipping satan i'll be ignoring you”
get your facts straight, as far as me being “ 6yr old boy who is sulking” wouldn’t you like to know, nice try still not going to tell you who I am, by the way I never called you dogs or demons, but know that you mentioned it, that’s exactly what you are(not to mention a few other things)

[gettheehence (gettheehence)]

safenowinspite, and basically to all,

you can apply your post to yourself. unless you don't think they apply to you. to me that's how I see all you. also one of you said in another thread how you're all just posting things that you saw. well there are many who are posting that they were there, know tony personally and say that they never see the things you claim.

maybe, kids don't get beat anymore, if they even did. you say yes, they say no. you're not there anymore. how do you know the spankings didn't stop. you say beatings well scriptually the book of Proverbs specifically say to "beat" the child. do you all run a church? how would you deal with people who just thumb their noses at God. kids that are mockers and who wanted to leave and be part of the world against the teachings of the Bible. you think you protected your children. where are they now? a D.J.? fighting a war? doing drugs and justifying it with Scripture no less? a total reprobate homosexual?

if someone is convicted of their sins and fall on their face and have a supernatural experience with God and vow to God to serve Him with all their heart, mind, soul and strength. where do you suggest they go? what do you suggest they do? start their own church as a babe? go to these multitudes of churches one by one, leaving because they don't do anything for God? what is serving God? how do you serve God? where do you serve God?

how scary, should I do what Ian Mann would probably suggest and join the Marines or Army? or go to lifespring and be taught that fundamental christianity is a cult? or maybe I should follow Jody. Maybe she can teach me how to serve God. Do all you go to the streets? to the highways and byways finding lost souls? yes? what do you do with the soul afterwards? send them on their way? how about people who are in a vicious cycle of drugs and they need time for God to heal their minds. will you bring them to your house? 1? 2? 20? how many can you take?

"few there be" what was the Lord saying there?

a righteous man falleth seven times...." how about that scripture? you all are so perfect. where is your ministry? is it your family? according to your own words and the words of many of your children who have come on here they are not saved. so I guess that's not your ministry. what is your ministry then? what literature are you getting to them? I would like to read it.

some of you came on and mocked and viciously attacked people about things they did before they were saved. Maybe eric hasn't been saved yet and some of the others. people can hear Bible scriptures their whole life and never be saved.

It takes a supernatural experience with God to understand the truth and finality of His Word.

no-one I have come across understands this. have you come across someone who preaches the first chapter of Proverbs? what should tony do according to you? give up? you say such horrible things about him. maybe some of them are true. what if he repented of a lot of things he did. tony has often confessed he's hardheaded and because of that the Lord had to deal very sternly with him often. people who lived there and been around the ministry for the past ten years have testified over and over again that these things do not go on.

but again I ask you. where are your powerful messages? where are your souls? how many souls have you saved? where are they now? where's your fruit? how many souls have your fruit saved. (the Lord doing all the work of winning souls through you and them). all glory to God. nobody can do anything without Him. Jesus said that. I believe Him. Where are the works of Jesus through you?

Has God healed people through the laying on of hands through you? what other miracles? I want to see how godly you all are that are attacking someone else. I would believe you if you can answer these things. the devil is a great mimicker. you all know that I know. you say all these things about tony alamo but lets all hear you answer some of these things.

and don't try to skirt the issue. "by their fruits you shall know them" that is the tell tale sign the Lord said. The Lord God Almighty said that's how we shall know them. Words are good, but works must follow. All I've heard are words of attacking tony alamo. you are all more righteous then him it sounds like yet tony has continued on and I before God know that he is receiving wonderful Spirit filled responses for his efforts. he gives out the Messiah book for free by the thousands. have you done that? you say it was plagerized but have you mailed any of the other ones out to people? lets see some of the responses. what about other literature. I went to L.A. two years ago and again 5 years ago and there were at least 10 baby christians living there each time with supernatural salvation testimonies and were so happy to be saved and to have a place like Alamo Ministries. A lot of them have gone to Ark to serve God there. And they are serving God. you may say Alamo but you would be lying because they had an experience with Jesus and He healed them of drugs, mental problems, lust, and the bondage of Satan.

and yet you blaspheme and call it a cult. how dare you? you fruitless dead things. you lack the most important quality. the whole reason Jesus suffered and died that horrible death. for souls. where are yours?



(Message edited by gettheehence on January 10, 2006)

[starksk (starksk)]

reading that post reminds me of sitting in those boring prayer meetings.........

[soulsmirror (soulsmirror)]

gettheehence could you give me the names of some of the old tracts that were put out around the time tony was arrested in florida?

[jules11468 (jules11468)]

Gettheehence said in his post earlier "tony has often confessed he's hardheaded."

I wonder which head he was referring to???

[windycity (windycity)]

jules I see you have joined with Eric and his vulgarity..i knew it wouldn't be long before more of you started to let it creep out.

[safenowinspite (safenowinspite)]

Hey what do I know...Im just the big bad mother in law...lol
But anyway....that still doesnt change a thing....what they didnt see....maybe they didnt see....but if they were in the church for a while....I tend to think more along the line that they are out and out lieing.
And I dont think Tony all of a sudden stopped beating kids or raping younge girls without a huge admittance and repentance on his part....I saw the beatings....It happened...deny it but it still happened..My daughter was a victem of his and he didnt even ask me or my husband. So dont even bother defending him....Reality time.
And I did see Tony out and out lie and say someone else was lieing about something He said...He was enraged...threatened to throw them out....got their wife to threaten to leave him with the kids. and guess what.....i heard him say it too. Of course being the brainwashed little bc I was....I chose to justify Tony, and shut up. That made me wrong....yep....I was wrong. what does that make you?
When you spend some time with God on a daily basis...not because you are forced to but because you really want to worship Him....then you get to know God and recognize a nature that doesnt fit in....Tony doesnt fit in....He says God speaks to him and hes nothing like God....
When you hang out with someone you take on their nature....well weve already seen and can tell who you listen to so we see who you are like. I have nothing against you personally....just dont like lies.
All the lies in the world wont change the truth. Anyway...gotta run...bbl.

[gettheehence (gettheehence)]

you mentioned worshipping God because you want to worship Him. well, God doesn't take pleasure in what WE want to do. what you are saying is totally unscriptual. Moses said that we wouldn't serve God unless we feared Him and that holds true today.

nothing is done because we want to do it. it has to be the Spirit within us crying out "Abba, Father."
worshipping God because we want to? that's heresy and doctrines like that are hidden self righteousness which is totally of the devil.

"out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh" talk about speech bewraying you.

[gettheehence (gettheehence)]

and i'm not talking about raping anyone. that's total slander. all you have is Jody saying that about herself and then you go and say "raping young girls" all the time. what a bunch of liars.
who else said it? nicki farr? give me a break!! if you believe anything that comes out of her mouth you must be desperate for accusations agaisnt tony.

it's real convenient too that you had to run real fast without answering hardly any of my questions. all you can say is "he's lying, you're lying" etc, etc. but you still can't answer my questions. like I said where are your souls?

[summer4ever (summer4ever)]

gettheehence,

I did enjoy reading your post (Posted on Tuesday, January 10, 2006 - 12:26 pm). It appears you did put some time and effort into it. Although I do not agree with your post entirely, I do appreciate that you explained yourself.

You speak of the Scripture "by their fruits you shall know them." Tony is saving lots of souls so he bears good fruit? What are we then? Many of us were saved in the foundation. Alamo supporters refer to us as backslidden reprobates. So, using that reasoning, Tony brings forth backslidden "fruitless dead things (your wording)" as fruit...

Can't have it both ways now, can you?

Jody

[safenowinspite (safenowinspite)]

where are your souls? Can you show them to me....and do you think you cant want to worship God and fear Him....Whats the matter with you. God says to love HIm with all your heart and mind and soul and you say its unscriptural. Dont think so. You wish it was , you are as usual just looking for someone to bash. well , enough of your ranting.lol I dont think Ill humor you anymore because you are really twisted. Jesus can straighten you out though...so ask Him. Dont ever assume other people dont know or love God. He will get you for doing His job.

[gettheehence (gettheehence)]

Jody, backsliders isn't fruit. the Lord talks about casting a net and getting all different kinds. and then the Lord says it about three different ways. those who fall by the wayside is a scriptual fact. tony has produced good fruit. fruit that remaineth.

safenowinspite, what kind of answer is that? you're the basher. i quoted you exactly about worshipping God because you want to. you should have relaxed and tried to answer my question because now you sound like an erratic mess.

you couldn't even answer my main question wisely. the one about souls. I know for a fact Tony doesn't even care what any of you are saying because he sees what the Lord is doing through him. but you are saying bad things about him and I asked you where's your ministry? if you win more souls and have more proof I'll go to your church. but you don't have a church do you? or literature or souls or anything.

"He that winneth souls is wise" well God alone is wise and the Word is wisdom so I guess Tony has God but you don't it seems.

(Message edited by gettheehence on January 10, 2006)

[summer4ever (summer4ever)]

gettheehence,

To be "backslidden" means that one has fallen away from God, right? Do we at least agree on that statement?

So in order to be backslidden, one must have been saved and then fallen away... So yes... a fruit at one point, maybe rotted now, but yet still a fruit...

Jody

[gettheehence (gettheehence)]

rotted fruit? show that terminology in the Bible. I explained it well. actually it's the Lord that explains it well in His Word. I said it several different ways. Fruit that remains. John 15:16

[gettheehence (gettheehence)]

those who left the Lord was never fruit. because if you were of the Lord you would have no doubt continued on in the Lord. that's from the epistle of John. 1 john 2:19

[gettheehence (gettheehence)]

you don't know these scriptures? no wonder why you couldn't stand.

[summer4ever (summer4ever)]

Then why use the term "backslidden" if it is not scriptual? It was terminology that Alamo supporters use.

Yes. The Bible does speak of corrupt fruit (Luke 6:43, Matt. 7-17-18, Matt. 12:33). Please note: I did not say the word rotted was in the Bible.

I do not claim everything I post is a direct message from God or in the Bible. I know better than to profess such nonsense.

I do not really want to get into a Biblical debate with you though, because it isn't worth my time or effort.

Tony is corrupt, and anyone that is close to him has to know it.

Jody

(Message edited by summer4ever on January 10, 2006)

[gettheehence (gettheehence)]

i didnt say the term "backslidden" was unscriptual. I said the term rotted fruit isn't any Bible terminology that I know.

[gettheehence (gettheehence)]

i don't want to debate the scriptures either. i'm looking for answers to the post you said you enjoyed which took my about 5 minutes to write.

[summer4ever (summer4ever)]

gettheehence,

Why should I answer your post? I enjoyed reading it because you actually explained yourself more than most do. I didn't say I agreed with the content.

Alamo supporters come in here and tell me all the time that what I say isn't the truth. They call me names and ridicule me for stating what happened to me.

When I left the foundation, it was the same way. People passed out pamphlets calling me and my mother horrible things. They called my boss and threatened him with a boycott as long as I was employed by him. Do you know what he said? "Go ahead. I don't like your kind (the Alamos) anyway."

Why should I allow you to get to know any part of me now? Why should I tell you what church I go to or who I witness to? So you can harrass and ridicule them and me?

You keep looking for the answers to your posts. Good luck on that one http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

I don't claim to be perfect. I never have. No one is perfect. Not even you. But I can say I do not willfully inflict pain upon another.

Jody

(Message edited by summer4ever on January 11, 2006)

[safenowinspite (safenowinspite)]

john 14:1 I am the true vine, and mMy Father is the vinedresser. 2 Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit. 3 You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. 4 Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me.5 I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me and I in him , bears much fruit: for without Me you can do nothing. 6 If anyone does not abide in Me he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire , and they are burned.

Mat 7:17 Even so, every good tree gives good fruit; but the bad tree gives evil fruit.

Mat 7:18 It is not possible for a good tree to give bad fruit, and a bad tree will not give good fruit.

It seems there is such a thing as bad fruit. So is there a problem with that?

[safenowinspite (safenowinspite)]

a good tree or someone abiding cannot bring forth bad fruit...get it?...geesh

[smitty (smitty)]

Thought I'd past this post over here as it applies to the discussion at hand...

"Something else I feel bound to point out... There has always been a BIG misconception in the Foundation that "fruit" means "souls". I belive this is wrong. Gal. 5:22-23 " But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace,longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance, against such there is no law" I submit that by seeing the posts these impostors ,who ape Tony , produce show all the evidence we need to see that the tree they sprang from will need to be rooted out and burned by God."

[iasmann (iasmann)]

Some answers for gettheehence


"what should tony do according to you? give up?"

He should give up child abuse, raping 12 year olds, lying, stealing, drinking, homosexual activity, adultery and he should repent and beg God for forgiveness. You should also repent and beg God for forgiveness because you're defending his wicked activities.

"if someone is convicted of their sins and fall on their face and have a supernatural experience with God and vow to God to serve Him with all their heart, mind, soul and strength. where do you suggest they go? what do you suggest they do? start their own church as a babe? go to these multitudes of churches one by one, leaving because they don't do anything for God? what is serving God? how do you serve God? where do you serve God?"

Should they go to a lying, child molesting rapist, homosexual, pervert? Is that where they should go? There are churches that preach the truth. I go to one. They don't preach the false doctrines that Tony preaches. Although some of them he now denies but still practices. He thinks it's being wise as a serpent and harmless as a dove to hide what he believes to be God's truth from the world. The fact is he's just a lecherous old coward who wants to have sex with young girls. He couldn't care less about souls.

"how scary, should I do what Ian Mann would probably suggest and join the Marines or Army?"

There are way more Christians in the marines and army than there are at Tony's House of Perverts. I'll guarantee that.

"no-one I have come across understands this. have you come across someone who preaches the first chapter of Proverbs?"

Yes.


"what literature are you getting to them? I would like to read it."

It's called the Holy Bible. But you have to believe it as well as read it.

"All I've heard are words of attacking tony alamo."

This board is about telling the truth about Tony if he were on the side of the truth it wouldn't be an attack it would be a defence. So what if he steals other peoples ideas and distributes it. That doesn't give him license to steal, lie, rape, molest, commit fornication commit adultery, and partake in homosexual activities.

""few there be" what was the Lord saying there?"

He was saying there would be false teachers and lascivious old men like Tony. Who would exploit the Gospel for perverted reasons. "For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ" (Jude 4).

"I would believe you if you can answer these things."

That's a lie. I listed a few of the things I've done a while back and you still don't believe anything I say.

"I went to L.A. two years ago and again 5 years ago and there were at least 10 baby christians living there each time with supernatural salvation testimonies and were so happy to be saved and to have a place like Alamo Ministries. A lot of them have gone to Ark to serve God there. And they are serving God. you may say Alamo but you would be lying because they had an experience with Jesus and He healed them of drugs, mental problems, lust, and the bondage of Satan."

So twenty people in 5 years. Is that supposed to be a lot? When I was there twenty people was a slow night. Since I and the other old timers have left it's now 20 in five years. That's pathetic. I'll bet no more than one or two stayed.
God's Word will not return void. Even when quoted by a sinner it will accomplish God's purpose. Paul was glad to see the Gospel preached even in pretence. But nobody sticks around because when they read that same Word they see the hypocricy of Tony and his hated followers. (It's the hatred Tony shows to his followers that drives them off. The more loyal they are the more he hates them. Deep down inside he knows he's a liar, adulterer, child abusing, child molesting, queer thief. He knows they know it and he despises them for not taking a stand against him.)

"and yet you blaspheme and call it a cult. how dare you"

How dare you call it a church. That's the real blasphemy, calling the Tony Alamo Worship Center a church.

"you fruitless dead things."

I'll guarantee that way more than 20 people have been saved in the last five years through the work of ex-foundation people. And we didn't have to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on tracts to do it either. According to Tony he distributes over 5 million tracts every day and all he's got in five years is 20 souls most of whom left. Even though they get free room and board.
Even the devil gets a 2 to 3 percent response when he's selling stuff. Tony gives it away and doesn't even get a millionth of a percent. What a terrible waste of the Lord's resources. But what do you expect from a guy who gave away 52 million dollars of the Lord's property just for the pleasure of beating a little boy bloody.

"i'm looking for answers to the post you said you enjoyed which took my about 5 minutes to write."

Hopefully this will clear some things up. By the way it only took me about 2 minutes to write it.

[ivy (ivy)]

So Ian..according to you there are more Christians in the armed services huh...since when do Christians go out and murder? Oh and I am expecting you to go on about your usual garbage so save it. The Susan Groulx Cult is goin DOWN!!!!!! (TO THE PITS OF HELL THAT IS)

[jules11468 (jules11468)]

Now now Ivy, play nice.

[starksk (starksk)]

IVY-don't be ignorant!!! Half the military isn't even authorized to carry a gun. Don't talk about something you know nothing about.

[holdol27 (holdol27)]

ignorant little <font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font>

[iasmann (iasmann)]

One Christian in the army is more than at the Tony Worship Center

[holdol27 (holdol27)]

ivy did u run down to the library to get online? wheres uncle? lol

[christophr19 (christophr19)]

To souls-poo-smear......regarding your post...Bblah blah blah, blah blah blah blah.
BLEH HEBHDHELB HESO HERHVB OER HSL BHELBHEL BHElbb lah bhlah bhlah bh albh aa bae hbl hea gffs df ha le jbh. I never called you dogs or demons, but know that you mentioned it, that’s exactly what you are(not to mention a few other things).
Well, you just did call us those things, now didn't you? By trying to refute my statements, you actually proved them to be correct. I hope that you can get free of all your anger and bitterness, and find resolution and peace.
I love you, really I mean it. You are just my brother/sister (as you won't say your identity) in our journey through life on this earth. Just because you spew hatred doesn't mean you mean to.
You are just doing what the spirits that possess your earthly mind are telling you what to do.
Quiet your mind, reach into your soul, and claim your life back from them. You will be so glad you did.

[christophr19 (christophr19)]

To souls-poo-smear......regarding your post...Bblah blah blah, blah blah blah blah. BLEH HEBHDHELB HESO HERHVB OER HSL BHELBHEL BHElbb lah bhlah bhlah bh albh aa bae hbl hea gffs df ha le jbh. I never called you dogs or demons, but know that you mentioned it, that’s exactly what you are(not to mention a few other things).
Well, you just did call us those things, now didn't you? By trying to refute my statements, you actually proved them to be correct. I hope that you can get free of all your anger and bitterness, and find resolution and peace.
I love you, really I mean it. You are just my brother/sister (as you won't say your identity) in our journey through life on this earth. Just because you spew hatred doesn't mean you mean to.
You are just doing what the spirits that possess your earthly mind are telling you what to do.
Quiet your mind, reach into your soul, and claim your life back from them. You will be so glad you did.

[christophr19 (christophr19)]

IVY-don't be ignorant!!! Half the military isn't even authorized to carry a gun. Don't talk about something you know nothing about......
Now we all know that I don't agree with war, fighting, and the military. However, I have to say that Kimi and Mr. Mann are absolutely right in this regard. Half of the military do not carry guns! And...they are many christians who in the name of freedom, join the military to fight what they believe is terrorism.
Now, do I agree with what they are taught, to get them to join? No. But I do agree with their hearts desire to put a stop to people like phony a-lame-o, who use and abuse innocent women and children. I have nothing against our soldiers who follow orders. They are "fighting" for what they believe is right. I have everything against the leaders who send our soldiers out to fight wars against "terrorsim" that are really about profit and power.

Okay, I am done, and will now step back down off the soapbox.

[ivy (ivy)]

Kimi, did I say that every soldier carrys a weapon? No I did not. But I do know that a lot of ppl who claim to be Christians kill innocents during war.

Holly, grow up will you please? Don't talk to me about ignorance. You are one of the most ignorant ppl on this board. Even among your peers. I bet even they make fun of your stupidity behind your back. Of course they won't admit it but come on. How old are you again? I guess you should at least try to act your age and not your shoe size.

[holdol27 (holdol27)]

I'M IGNORANT? IF IT WEREN'T FOR THE MILITARY IN THIS GREAT COUNTRY OF OURS U AND YOUR ANCESTORS WOULD STILL BE SCRUBBIN FLOORS IN SOME 3RD WORLD COUNTRY U LITTLE TWIT! I CARRY A GUN FOR CRYIN OUT LOUD SO LITTLE TRASH LIKE U NEED TO JUST SHUT IT. LOLOLOLOLOL.........OH DID IT EVER OCCUR TO U THAT I PURPOSELY ACT LIKE AN <font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font> ON THIS BOARD WITHOUT ANY CONCERN FOR WHAT ANY OF U THINK? LOLOLOL.......LETS NOT TALK ABOUT IQ OR THE FACTS ON PAPER K!

[double_j (double_j)]

Well its been a while since I posted, but I have to do so now. Jesus
f-in Chripes!!!! Windy and Souls-mirror and Ivy. you C-bags are the
epittemy of what a Christian is suppose to be, I think i gotta be mor
"Christian like" than you pieces of garbage. (and everyone knows Im
far from that now)...Go ahead start trying to slander me with how Im a
swine, or Im a demon, or Im gonna burn...bla bla bla....Let me set a
couple things strait on this board. Ivy, you a 16 year old dirty
hillbilly, you should be with your foul mouth uncle right now doing
God knows what with him (oh god please tell him don't go sending me
anymore nasty threatening emails at work......lol... he's a
stalker...lol...long story for another time) Anyways, now I see why
you, Ivy, are such a f-in lune!....... You hang around with Barney bad
azzes AKA, Windy, soulsmirror and that loud mouth trashy uncle of
yours. As for soulsmirror, who's soul are you suppose to be mirroring?
Satans? Cuzz they way your trashy self talks it sure doesn't sound
like stuff your good buddy JC would write! And windy is it? are you
the one so disrespectful to attack a human being for their son putting
their life on the line for something they believe in? You should be
taken to the new "spec house"(where ever that is) and beaten like we
were back in the 80's. You have to be the biggest piece of garbage on
this web site besides that biaaatch Tony Alamo, you f-in traitor! Oh
and by the way, his..Tony Alamo, is coming sooner than he can hide out
again(that child abusing piece of garbage. Later b*tches!

Oh by the way, can you show me where Jesus "married" (molested) little
kids( under the age of 18) in the bible? cuzz, its been a while since
I've knocked the dust off the Old KJV, but I sure don't remember that
anywhere in there.......Oh wait, I know why I don't remember that ,
cuzz didn't Asslamo re-write the bible a few years back to suit his
filthy selfly ...I mean....a..... what he would call "godly"
pleasures? What a sick pig.....And to think you defend him.....But
then again, as any sane person sees, your too stupid to see what hes
really all about........Again, Later b*tches.

[ivy (ivy)]

OH NO YOU DIDN'T HOLLY!!!! YOU PREJUDICE WITCH. F.Y.I. MY RELATIVES ARE NOT FROM A THIRD WORLD COUNTY. YOU NAZI SCUM. TRASH LIKE YOU ARE THE ONES WHO BROUGHT THEIR RATS AND DISEASE. AT LEAST THAT IS ACCORDING TO HISTORY. NOW YOU NEED TO SHUT IT YOU NASTY WITCH. YEAH YOU ACT LIKE THAT ON PURPOSE BUT YOU CAN'T HELP IT. YOU ARE A PREJUDICE SCUM. IT'S WHITE TRASH LIKE YOU WHO HATE ON COLOR. BUT YET YOU ARE THE ONES WHO LOVE THAT FAKE N' BAKE TAN THAT PEOPLE FROM "THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES NATURALLY HAVE. GIVE IT UP.

[holdol27 (holdol27)]

why r u getting so angry? my first puppy love was a black boy! no hate here i'm simply saying that the freedoms u enjoy today are because of the wars this country has won! hello? my ancesters where one of the first over to the new world right behind the mayflower sweetie but thats not the point the point is .........u are a stupid little girl! lololol

[iasmann (iasmann)]

"But I do know that a lot of ppl who claim to be Christians kill innocents during war."

I know a guy who claims not just to be a Christian but to be the World's Pastor. He uses it as a cover for child abuse, child molestation, rape, homosexuality, lying and stealing.

Thank God He doesn't judge everyone by the actions of others like you do to our military. If one soldier commits a murder then all soldiers are muderers in your eyes. How closed minded and bigotted you are. God judges each person on an individual basis. If you read the Bible instead of listening to Tony you'd know that. God also says not to pass judgement without two or more witnesses. There are far more than two people witnessing against Tony. Who are the witnesses against my son that saw him commit the murder you're accusing him of. Don't you know what the Bible says about false witnesses.

"And the judges shall make diligent inquisition: and, behold, if the witness be a false witness, and hath testified falsely against his brother; Then shall ye do unto him, as he had thought to have done unto his brother: so shalt thou put the evil away from among you."

The penalty for murder is death. False witness is a sin. Either produce your witnesses or confess and repent of your sin. Who do you fear more? Tony or God. If Tony then you will try to cover your sin but if God then you will confess and forsake. Which is it?

[safenowinspite (safenowinspite)]

There they go again....trying to shift the focus onto us bantering back and forth.
Lets take some more walks down memory lane and remember some of the wonderful things Papa Tony has done for us....lol
I remember babysitting in the nursery on the ridge. I was pregnant at the time because I had just come to the foundation. It was so stinkin hot in that building. No wonder everyone took a nap in the afternoon. They all passed out from the heat...and I did too. The sisters would let me sleep a little with the kids. When I woke up I felt like someone extracted all the water from my body and beat me up. But Tony was nice and air conditioned in his nice house with antique furniture that no one but him would sit on. Or in his nice white limo where he would go pick up whores. Or go to school looking for new innocent little peices of sex meat. hows that?
Carol Fryer

[lightergirl (lightergirl)]

To: safenowinspite
I’ve been to Tony’s house and he always been hospitable, maybe he doesn’t like people crawling all over his nice furniture, who does?

[hollydolly (hollydolly)]

hey lightergirl-----maybe just maybe tony doesn't hit on the little girls that he doesn't find attractive! lololol u are an idiot

[hollydolly (hollydolly)]

i find it completely possible that some girls have been into tony's house and never saw a thing! we are dealing with a man far smarter than these little girls that post on this website! hello?lololol alamo is a sick old <font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font> lovin pervert

[hollydolly (hollydolly)]

I LOVE ANOTHY HOPKINS!!!!!!

[christophr19 (christophr19)]

Hello Clarice.......

[raining (raining)]

Ok, Tony was nice to you when you went to his house. Maybe he was checking you out to see if you were suitable to be one of his concubines!

Ted Bundy was nice too!

Ted Bundy was young and good looking!

However consider this - Ted Bundy was proven to be a serial rapist and murderer.
Tony has the 1st part down!

[christophr19 (christophr19)]

The only reason tony is still operating this side of, prison bars and bubbas sexual advances, is because most of his "victims" won't come forward and tell of his abuse. The craziest part is....that when some of the women are brave enough to come forward, the ones that are still allowing this beast to abuse them cry foul! Liar! and come forward to say what a "wonderful, generous, prophet" this pedophile is!
To those of you girls that are still there, letting him abuse you......you are causing your own horrible realities. Until you cry rapist and abuser against this creep, he won't stop taking more young girls to destroy. Claim your bodies and minds for God and not this host of unclean spirits. We will help you in any way we can, but you have to make the first step.

[hollydolly (hollydolly)]

tony probably had fun in prison..........he had his gay fantasies come true!

[carolfryer (carolfryer)]

Holly, usually Tony will take some time to feel people out before he reveals too much. He was nice to me at first too. Even promised to keep my daughter a virgin so not to freak me out.When he got angry with Jody though, his colors began to change to me. With Tony it really is what is useful to him at the time. When youre not useful anylonger....simply dont get in his face. Or you will be the subject of rebuke and shame and get thrown out because of his little temper tantrum or he just doesnt feel good at the moment. How many times people would sit up at the spec house and cringe, wondering what mood he was going to be in when he called. One person that used to impress me with her patience with him was Gay Sparks. She would completely turn off all emotions and take it whatever came. You never knew who was going to get thrown out at any given time for something really stupid.
Sorry I took so long to get back, was running into problems.

[lightergirl (lightergirl)]

all you ppl are warped and disgusting peverts, the stuff that comes from your imagination should embarrass you if you had any morals or decency

[hollydolly (hollydolly)]

hey lightergirl i know u are a just a young ignorant girl that really doesn't know alamo so i will not be responding to u k? lololol

[christophr19 (christophr19)]

if you think we are warped and disgusting......I don't understand why you think phony is such a wonderful man of god. None of us have ever been accused of even just ONE of the myriad (do you know what that word means, hun?) horrible atrocities that have been laid at tony's feet over and over again! It just goes to show that you have been turned over to believe a lie; and that you call good evil, and evil good. Lord have mercy on you.

[mechelle (mechelle)]

My daughter went on one of the trips to see papa tony at the prison and she saw tony grab one of the girls breast, mechelle or angel?, and this freaked her out and she told Becky about it and she immediatly ran and told someone what my daughter saw. My daughter was told that she was crazy and evil and if she told me(her mother) anything about what she saw that we would be kicked out of the church. She never told me until after we left. I still have loved ones in that place and their names are Lesia Heffner (Christopher now I think), her daughters(my neices) Ashley, Sarah, and my nephew Tomothy. I don't want any trouble for them but I am asking for any info on them I can get. I love them and their Dad loves them (whom ta kicked out without letting him even say good bye) and their Grandma loves them. Lesia if you ever read this I want you to know that I love and miss you too. I'm sorry I left without you

[_truth_ (_truth_)]

don't be sorry you left without her. she's doing great and her family is well cared for. what makes you believe your daughter so much? is she some sort of annointed, born again person? last time I saw her at services in Ft. Smith she looked incredibly demon possessed. she had this dark cloud over her and had on tons of make-up that made her look like a witch. come-on, her word is good? give us a break.

[raining (raining)]

I didn't know you were the judge. God says he looks on the heart and not the outward appearance. If she was in church, sounds like she is hoping God will help her.

You really shouldn't judge by the outward appearance, God is a God of the heart. He saved hippies that most of the world counted as lost and nothings. Jesus made us His sons and daughters.

could you tell me what a dark cloud over her head looks like? I've heard of them, however I've never seen an actual black cloud hanging over ones head.

[mechelle (mechelle)]

truth?_
My daughter never wanted to leave there, she had friends, a nice OC(Jessica), she hasn't spoken bad about any of you, she never even told me about her experience at tony's house until after we left and yes her word has always been good, she fears GOD and is blessed in her life. I expected this from the people at the church, to attack, that is your way.

[no_stoppin_me (no_stoppin_me)]

Mechelle,
Don't let the Alamo supporters stop you from telling the truth. And you can't blame them for their attacking behaviour. It is all they know how to do. It is what they have been taught by their leader, the self-proclaimed "world pastor".

It is hard when you still have family living there. Trust me, I know. It breaks your heart.

[_truth_ (_truth_)]

i'm attacking? how funny!! you attacked. I simply answered with how I saw it. what hippocrates.

[no_stoppin_me (no_stoppin_me)]

What is a hippocrate? Something you transport a hippo in? Just curious.

[carolfryer (carolfryer)]

true no stopping....you learn what you grow up with unless God changes it. Thats all they know. Tony has taught them thats skill. Attacking people is good to him to prove you have controle. well no more TA.

[false_prophet_detector (false_prophet_detector)]

one thing is certain
all the people who left. somehow instigated their departure. the people who are left have to make the first move. if they want freedom.
even if tony was proven in front of these peoples faces that he was and is a vermin. they would simply deny it. thats how powerful our beliefs can be. you have to want personal freedom to make the first move and some people are just to scared.

so Dear God: if your up there tonight please take the blinders off of these peoples eyes that are following blindly someone so destructive to hundreds of families and if you are real please give this man tony a heart attack (unless there is some saving grace for him)and let the sheep scatter until they hear your voice and you draw them unto you. in the name of jesus i intend this
amen

[christophr19 (christophr19)]

I say amen to that, and Father you said: where two or more I gathered in Your name; that You are there. So agree with us, and bring about our intent. Thank you Your children.

[false_prophet_detector (false_prophet_detector)]

Dear God: please let tony die (unless its your will that little girls should be hurt)
Dear God: please let tony spontaneously combust
Dear God: please let tony alamo get hit by a bus
Dear God: please bind the devil (tony alamo)
Dear God: please let tony alamo get cancer of the penis
Dear God: please let tonys pp fall off
Dear God: please let bush draft tony for the war
Dear God: help us expose him for what he is
Dear God: u a cool mothertrucker
thanx Dear God

[false_prophet_detector (false_prophet_detector)]

you will die tony alamo
you will die tony alamo
you will die tony alamo
you will die tony alamo
you will die tony alamo
you will die tony alamo
and there will be singing and dancing in the
streets
hallelujah

[false_prophet_detector (false_prophet_detector)]

die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die
http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/angry.gifhttp://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/biggrin.gifhttp://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/angry.gifhttp://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gifhttp://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/angry.gifhttp://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/biggrin.gifhttp://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/angry.gif
die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die

[christophr19 (christophr19)]

I've got that joy, joy, joy...down in my heart....Where?....Down in my heart.....I've got that joy, joy, joy....down in heart today!
If phony doesn't like it, he can sit on a tack...OUCH...sit on a tack...today!

[false_prophet_detector (false_prophet_detector)]

dont take offense big T.A.
we dont really want any harm to come to you we really want you to keep hurting people in the name of jesus
after all thats what he called you to do isnt it
i mean look at your fantastic testimony of love and hurt, love and hurt over and over again to so many fresh little vessels. i mean come on how could any of us be angry. really its just the lords work right. no one really wants to see your eyes poked out or wolves rip off your body parts while your awake, i mean that would just make you a martyr wouldnt it. after all you do preach about jesus sometimes dont you.
and look at how god has blessed you with so much abundance. he would never let someone as holy as you be burned alive upside down, or boiled in pig lard. come on people would be in an uproar for someone to do that to such a man of god.

[christophr19 (christophr19)]

After all, God must be with you, right phony? Or otherwise, wouldn't He have already taken you down? Even though you make a mockery of everything that Jesus taught; and you do the exact opposite of what JESUS would do. Yeah, thats it. God is showing His true self to you and no one else; yeah, we get it. All of the teachings in the bible are worth about as much as OJ's testimony. God was waiting for you, to show you alone what He is really like. So you just keep on keepin' on; and don't worry about all these reprobates on this board. They aren't <font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font>...I mean holy like you are. They just wouldn't understand God's will, because they aren't strong enough to handle it. Yeah...that's the ticket!

[false_prophet_detector (false_prophet_detector)]

ive got the golden ticket
ive got a gleam of something in my eye
ive got the golden ticket
some...day...im..gonna fry
bernie bizzare hoffman

yo you know i think it all started with
being named bernie (a girls name)
so he had to take his anger out on women
because they are so much more frail
than a big stwong man like supa poopa tony

[christophr19 (christophr19)]

bernie the pooh, POOH!
bernie the pooh, POOH!