Do you still think tony and susie are the two witnesses [Archive]

iasmann (iasmann)

11-04-2005, 06:14 AM

Tony did change his name after he was saved but not legally. He changed his name when he was in hiding to Harvey Cochran.

Harvey was a brother who got permanently disabled in a car wreck while out distributing Tony's literature. He had been at the foundation for about 20 years. After he was injured Tony didn't want to pay for his care so he dumped him in a nursing home and abandoned him. He said he was a weasel for having the accident. That's Tony's idea of Christian love.

Then Tony stole his ID when he went into hiding.

Nancy Ross says, "On July 5, 1991, Alamo was "captured" in Tampa, Florida where he and other church members openly operated a hardware store and family-style restaurant."

The coward was openly going under the name of Harvey Cochran and using Harvey's ID. Again this is indisputable fact that is backed by arrest records and court records. He was not going around under his own name like Nancy alleges.

Have you noticed the pattern yet. Everything Tony accuses everyone else off he is actually guilty of himself. The evidence he uses against them is based on hearsay and unprovable allegations. But God has arranged for the evidence against Tony to be 100% verifiable by sworn court testimony or other public records.

Of course Tony will say it's all a Vatican or Can plot blah, blah, blah. But think about this.

What are the chances that all these people from around the country are CAN members or Jesuit priests. You've got Jury members in Memphis, police officers in Tampa, a truck sales company in Arkansas, a bankruptcy court, his own website, a book written long before he got saved, a car dealer in Nashville, his own tax returns etc. The list goes on and on. They can't all be plants working for CAN or the Vatican but that's what Tony keeps saying. It's like a broken record. Just read Nancy Ross's story.

Not to mention dozens of people who have personally known him and have seen real atrocities far worse than anything mentioned here.

He wants to know why I don't talk about the altar calls full of souls with tears streaming down their faces. Because that hasn't happened over there in almost THIRTY years. That's why. All he has now is 15 year old testimonies from Chalais and Demoulin. It's pathetic. The scribes and pharisee's searched land and sea and got a proselyte. Tony's so pathetic he searches land and sea but can't come up with a new proselyte in 15 years.

Tony did destroy the foundation. It says so right in the Nancy Ross story. Tony gave up 52 million dollars worth of the Lord's property to the devil. Property that God had given to the church to use in winning souls that Christ died for. Tony gave it all away in a fit of uncontrollable rage when he had a little boy beaten 140 times with a 2 by 4. And when he lied on his tax return.

The bible says "He that covereth his sins shall not prosper:" that's why the Lord took away everything he had and threw him in jail.

We helped him to cover his sin that's why we ended up on the street as well. But we took heed to the second half of that scripture, "whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy" and Tony hardened his heart to it.

Tony is still covering up these sins decades later. I know many of the people posting for him are doing so because they are coerced. The Lord knows that and will have mercy. But some of you are grown men and women who know better and are in a position to stop what's going on just by going to the police and reporting it. There is no statute of limitations on child molestation. That's why all these catholic priests were busted 20 and 30 years after their crimes. It will never be too late to report this stuff until Tony is in the grave.

His greatest claim to fame is a bunch of letters from foreign countries from people who've never even met him. He writes tracts and preaches messages about stuff he doesn't practice anywhere but in his own mind.

Susie always used to say "if you want to know how to do something ask someone who's never done it." That about fits the bill for Tony's tracts.

smitty (smitty)

11-04-2005, 04:20 PM

Posted on Friday, November 04, 2005 - 10:19 am:

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Being somewhat klutzy w/ the computer, I can't seem to contact the Moderators of these threads. Would someone else who can PLEASE get ahold of them and get this crap cleaned up.

havebrainwilltravel (havebrainwilltravel)

11-04-2005, 07:04 PM

If anyone ever finds Tony Alamo on Factnet, you must know that all those long boring posts are his. He's definitely a narcissistic old man who never quite made it, but he sure had fun molesting little girls and tricking people into thinking he was Godly. May he go down in history as a hardly known faux minister of the gospel. The kind movies make fun of.. the kind people see through, the kind no one wants to be like....
He told his followers to 'be a good testimony' while he was fornicating and getting drunk. Typical!

ivy (ivy)

11-04-2005, 07:34 PM

right on!!

i_remember_you (i_remember_you)

11-04-2005, 09:09 PM

I do believe the Catholic church is just laughing at Tony Alamo, if they even know who he is. There are still alot of people in the world who don't even know who T.A. is. their very lucky! I really don't think they are worried about tony right now espically with all the crap their dealing with right now. I don't get why the government will listen to the ex members of the catholic church about the molestation years later, but they won't listen to Tony's ex-followers. The sins are sins but it just goes to show that Tony really isn't as important in the world as you followers think he is.

holdol27 (holdol27)

11-04-2005, 09:19 PM

i've never met one person who had any idea who i was talking about when i said anything about the alamos........it seems only some people know about him in arkansas and thats about it. lololol

holdol27 (holdol27)

11-04-2005, 09:46 PM

i've lived all over the world sweetheart.........u are delusional if u think anyone knows or cares about the alamos

holdol27 (holdol27)

11-04-2005, 09:55 PM

i could be wrong about everybody not knowing u because half the people i've met i never mentioned my upbringing to out of humiliation ofcourse.

holdol27 (holdol27)

11-04-2005, 10:12 PM

no just went back to my roots for a while.......germany but u wouldn't know anything about that now would u mr. hoffman?

ivy (ivy)

11-04-2005, 10:19 PM

lol... hurt bottom...lol he really has holly hobbie pegged.

ivy (ivy)

11-04-2005, 10:29 PM

SHE REALLY MEANS ARKANSAS. SHE HAS BEEN ALL OVER ARKANSAS. SHE KNOWS WHERE EVERY DARN WALMART IS AND DOES ALL OF HER FINE DINING AT MCDONALDS...LOL SHE IS THE DAUGHTER OF ANN ELMORE THEREFORE SHE IS SOOOOO REFINED.

holdol27 (holdol27)

11-04-2005, 10:34 PM

i wouldn't talk about my mother if i were u....

ivy (ivy)

11-04-2005, 10:38 PM

OHHHHHH somebody save me please. I am so scared of ol'Ann Elmore. Gimme a break!!! Why are you even here?

holdol27 (holdol27)

11-04-2005, 10:39 PM

africa? lololol who cares

holdol27 (holdol27)

11-04-2005, 10:52 PM

my mother shouldn't scare u dumbass.........its me you're talking to u little ugly •••••!

forestbrain (forestbrain)

11-04-2005, 11:02 PM

Ivy, honestly, is this necessary? Why do you even respond, Holly? What's the point? They are just a bunch of idiots. I wouldn't give them the time of day.

holdol27 (holdol27)

11-04-2005, 11:05 PM

u are right..........what can an uneducated little sex slave know.

forestbrain (forestbrain)

11-04-2005, 11:09 PM

the uh...whole name calling thing probably doesn't help, either.

holdol27 (holdol27)

11-04-2005, 11:18 PM

the name calling makes me feel better anyway lol

forestbrain (forestbrain)

11-04-2005, 11:21 PM

oh great, the "rev" just had to post that LOOOONNNGG message. how inconsiderate. I'm telling ya, Holly, these people desperately need lives.

brite (brite)

11-05-2005, 12:48 AM

what a waste.

rattlesnake (rattlesnake)

11-05-2005, 01:07 AM

I am sure that even God is cringing at this so called Christian language and behaviour that you alamo supporters use.
Probably even Tony would be disappointed in you because for an outsider to sit and read all of this, they would definately not believe that a leader who allowed his followers to speak and behave in such an outrageous and rude manner would be a leader led by God.

All the time that you spend trying to convince outsiders how righteous and godly Tony Alamo is, is blown to bits by all your nasty posts.

Seriously think about it from a mature point of view if you will. The Alamo supporters are the ones trying to prove that Tony is led by God and that everyone else is just trying to destroy Tony, for whatever reason.

If you, alamo supporters, had never heard of Tony Alamo, and you were seriously trying to get some sort of answers about whether or not he was truly led by God, would you find what you are saying very convincing?

I know you will come back at me with something rude, at this point I expect nothing less, but I think that if you really search your heart, deep down you know this is true.

If you truly believe that Tony is who you think he is, then do you not think that he is capable of defending himself?

And if you are truly worried about someone getting turned off from following Tony because of what the non-supporters are saying, consider this: If Tony really is chosen by God and God wanted to choose someone to be a follower of Him through Tony, do you not have enough confidence in God to see his will be done regardless of what is said on here?

Why don't you let God and Tony fight this battle instead of coming on here and making Tony and his ministry look like such an unattractive ministry?

Please really give this some consideration. Right now things don't look too attractive and as a "mostly" outsider, I have to tell you ... they ain't getting any better.

ivy (ivy)

11-05-2005, 05:18 PM

holly,
Believe me, on your best day you would never scare me. GET THAT STRAIGHT!!!! You show your true colors everytime you open that big mouth of yours. Maybe you are so angry because you are so left behind. I mean way behind. You act like a child on the playground with all your nonsense. Now go bake a pie or something but please go away.

brite (brite)

11-05-2005, 11:01 PM

i can laugh these funny posts.ican laugh at the devil and even laugh about the years locked up with all you lovley humans.but i would never poke fun at god or his sinners prayer.u may hide your identity to us but not to god (even if u think only us backsliders see your mockery)i stay with the oldschool'REPENT OR PERISH THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS AT HAND.....bam!

false_prophet_detecter (false_prophet_detecter)

11-06-2005, 03:31 AM

Anger is always fear and fear is always fear of loss.

false_prophet_detecter (false_prophet_detecter)

11-06-2005, 03:34 AM

Guilt is the tension you feel to change your past, present, or future for someone else's sake. It's your tension, you can let it go.

skeptik (skeptik)

11-12-2005, 09:48 AM

Posted on Friday, November 04, 2005 - 1:04 pm:

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If anyone ever finds Tony Alamo on Factnet, you must know that all those long boring posts are his. He's definitely a narcissistic old man who never quite made it, but he sure had fun molesting little girls and tricking people into thinking he was Godly. May he go down in history as a hardly known faux minister of the gospel. The kind movies make fun of.. the kind people see through, the kind no one wants to be like....
He told his followers to 'be a good testimony' while he was fornicating and getting drunk. Typical!

Anybody ever see "Elmer Gantry"

skeptik (skeptik)

11-12-2005, 09:52 AM

Havebrainwilltravel, you have a point!

holdol27 (holdol27)

11-12-2005, 10:57 PM

hey fake becca! after the raid there were quite a few people that never went back so if getting tony in jail again will open just one more persons eyes than its worth it.............get a new screen name for crying out loud! tony is going to burn in hell anyway we are doing this only for the people stuck in there under his control.

alamosupporter (alamosupporter)

11-13-2005, 12:07 AM

the people that left after the raid were flakes and so are you. i went to the church from the literature i found after he was imprisoned. he was in jail for the first 2 years i was in the church. before i left to go to arkansas from NY my mother called up the police station in Ft. smith and some churches in the Ft. smith area and they said it was a cult, that there's slave labor, poor living conditions, mind control and when i got there none of those things were true. you see, the Lord showed me just by the literature that Tony knew God and that Tony was receiving fresh revelations from the Lord. I knew Tony was saved and that's more than I can say for all the pastors of all the other churches I went to. no church that I know of is preaching to be red hot against sin. tony's not sinning against God and I saw first hand baby christians coming in there by the dozens and growing through reading, prayer, tony's literature, and the tape messages. that's a supernatural thing thats happening. even in the book of John the pharisees tried to accuse Jesus for healing the blind man on the sabbath others said how could He perform miracles if Jesus was a sinner? and there was a division among them. you see the pharisee were jelous and they know they were rebuked by Jesus and they were too pround to receive the inscruction from the Lord. They said he was a sinner, a ba$tard, just a carpenters son, chief of the devils, etc. see, so I don't believe tony's a sinner because of the miracles that he does. I got to services in arkansas and felt the Holy Spirit so strong that tears were just streaming down my face like a river through almost the whole service. through the songs and testimonies especially. say what you want. say the lies that you want. the brothers and sisters were all very supernaturally called to that ministry. and God has opened their eyes to see. Tony's messages were and are still filled with power. he's stayed strong for about 40 years and regardless of what anyone says that he did wrong God still anoints him mightily to release the truth to the world. i'm my own person. i'm not Tony. I'm am writing this from my spirit because it's grieves me what I hear you people saying about him. and the dirty, filthy language that's used. i believe the true cult is you and factnet. in this country will still have a freedom to worship the way we want and it's protected under our second ammendment in the U.S. constitution. I came to the church and left and tony gave me 1,500.00 cash for I and my family to leave. He then shipped all my stuff back to me via moving truck to NJ. He didn't break up my family, he didnt leave me penniless. I was there for 6 years and never caught wind of any beatings. you know why? because they don't happen.
legally, none of you have a leg to stand on and will be torn apart on the stand by Tony's attornies and the charges will be reversed against you and you will suffer loss. it happens all the time.

marty_s (marty_s)

11-13-2005, 12:28 AM

alamosupporter who do you think your talking to. tony alamo never gave anybody 1500.00 unless there was something in it for him. if things were the way you present them everybody on this board would probably still be there. be real.

jules11468 (jules11468)

11-13-2005, 12:55 AM

Alamo Supporter said "I was there for 6 years and never caught wind of any beatings. you know why? because they don't happen."

Liar....I saw them happen with my own eyes! Lots of people saw it and worse alot of kids were victims of it.

rattlesnake (rattlesnake)

11-13-2005, 01:52 AM

Lots of people see what they want to see and turn a blind eye and a deaf ear to what they want to ignore. Ignorance is bliss.

wilma (wilma)

11-13-2005, 03:18 AM

TommyR,
So you left the Foundation? By choice or did Alamo kick you out? Do you mind if I ask you WHY? If you were kicked out, do you desire or plan to go back? You mention you have a family. If you left the Foundation with your family intact then you are one of the lucky ones. Many of us posting on this board know many families that were not so lucky.

If Tony ordered your child to be beaten would you tolerate that?

Did you read what Jody Fryer, Tami Sprinkle, Cindi Jo, Piper or Nikki Farr wrote? Tony has many women and underage girls living in his house and according to witnesses they are his sex partners. If you have a daughter would you want her living in Alamo's house?

Please seriously consider the things I have written.

Susie G

smitty (smitty)

11-13-2005, 07:55 PM

Alamosupporter: You quotes the wrong amendment. The amendment that protects Freedom of Religion and Freedom of the Press is the First Amendment. The Second Amendment gives us (and you) the right to keep and bear arms. Maybe if we used that one way bank then, we wouldn't have the problems w/ T.A. now!http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/biggrin.gif

twopilgrims (twopilgrims)

11-17-2005, 07:49 AM

The greatest amendment was given to us by God
the freedom of choice to be able to express our God given right to choose right or wrong.
He gave us the choice for Salvation or destruction of our soul for eternity..

summer4ever (summer4ever)

11-18-2005, 02:32 AM

Alamosupporter,

You should ask Tony about the Fifth Ammendment. It is one he used in court when asked about the allegations being brought against him on this site. "...He [Tony] invoked the Fifth Ammendment 10 times when Belcher [Prosecuter] asked him whether he had multiple wives..." - The Commercial Appeal. Alamo Found Guilty of Tax Evasion, Jailed (June 9, 1993)

Jody

fooled_no_more (fooled_no_more)

11-18-2005, 04:07 AM

I don't believe the claim of his regarding the two witnesses (he and Susie).

I believe that this individual is a has-been of a mediocre career, who saw his (dim) star falling quickly from the milky way, and figured this was one way to keep his puffed-up ego fed: to start a 'ministry', that it would seem, had very little indeed to do with serving God, and much, much more to do with others serving him and his twisted mind..... who has made it a lifestyle of abusing (others), lying every time he opens his mouth, attempting to stay one step ahead of the law he so frequently breaks, self-promotion, and delusions of grandeur.

The world, according to him, is 'out to get him', when in fact, the world could care less about him, and is no more a threat to him, than a bug on the wall.

He is the real threat.

A paranoid schizophrenic, perhaps....?

helives (helives)

11-18-2005, 04:27 AM

It is sad to say that the people inside the foundation will defend Tony. He has them fooled.

It is a good thing to be able to say
fooled no more

It is sad for me to think of all the people still tricked and deceived by Tony. He puts forth his public image of godliness, but those of us who have been subjected to his cruelty can witness and have witnessed to the bloody beatings he commanded upon children, and I know for a fact that he took Jeanne, Lizzy and Angel to wife when they were under age virgins. All of them daughters of members who are part of the alamo foundation. He took lizzy under threats of her family being kicked out and the fear of hell fire damnation if they didn't send lizzy over to his house.

I will continue to pray for them.

holdol27 (holdol27)

11-18-2005, 05:00 AM

lizzy,

i've been to your parents house fairly recently mainly for birthday parties {melanie} my daughter is close in age to your little sister. your mom is great as always she cooks her mexican dishes for all her events and she is so so sweet. i remember her giving me a tour of the house when they first moved in and she showed me her room and there was a large framed picture of you when you were probably 4.........it hit me hard.........it was such a visual reminder. not much was said about it i couldn't go there and i knew your mom didn't want to either but she proudly displays her love that she will always have and i thought that was very endearing............we all miss u

holly

iasmann (iasmann)

11-18-2005, 05:22 AM

Tony does not believe that he will be one of the two witnesses anymore. Since he is the only holy and righteous one on earth and since no one else on earth is serving God but him, he now believes he will be both of the two witnesses. He doesn't know how God will do this but he figures that the other witness has to have at least as many wives as him so he's working on a second batch.

The sad thing is if he told this to alamosupporter and his cronies they would believe it. LOL

christophr19 (christophr19)

12-05-2005, 05:03 AM

--i believe the true cult is you and factnet.---
SO....that makes you a cult member 2 times over..
You are on here as much as the rest of us.

iasmann (iasmann)

12-05-2005, 06:06 AM

In order to understand why polygamy is not allowed today you have to understand the reason for the Old and New Testaments. And the difference between the Old and New Testaments.

God made man upright in the garden of Eden but he was alone. The Bible tells us “And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him” (Gen. 2:18). Notice it says “an” help meet - singular. This was God’s perfect union; one man and one woman. He could have made two or five or 100 women if he’d wanted to but he didn’t because perfection was one. Just one woman and one man. That was how it began and that was perfect.

But man sinned and fell from perfection, so God instituted a way for man to become perfect again. This was done in two steps. The Law of Moses contained in the Old Testament and the Law of Faith contained in the New Testament. The Old Testament was never meant to be permanent. It was imposed on the people until the time of Christ referred to in Hebrews nine as the “time of reformation.” In Hebrews ten we are told that the Old Testament Law of Moses was “taken away” to establish the New Testament law of Faith.

Because man was still in his fallen state during Old Testament times God suffered and allowed many things that are forbidden today. Jesus told us that divorce was allowed only because of the hardness of men’s hearts. The same is true of polygamy. He said it was not that way in the beginning when things were perfect. He reiterated again that perfection was one man and one wife. See Mark 10: 5-9.

When Christ died on the cross and rose again from the dead he not only restored man to his original place but elevated him. When man was created he was a little lower than the Angels but through the redemption in Christ’s blood we are made joint heirs with Christ who is better than the Angels. The Angels are now our ministering Spirits and we are restored to perfection in Christ.

Jesus commanded “Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.”
Polygamy was never a part of perfection. Since we are now back to perfection polygamy is banned just as it was in the Garden of Eden. If you choose to reject the perfection of Christ and go back under the Old Testament law then you can be a polygamist, but you will also be going to Hell since the law made nothing perfect. But the bringing in of a better hope (Christ) did.

What about converted pagans who already had several wives and then got saved? Rather than break up the families they can stay together. This is one of the issues discussed in First Corinthians chapter seven. However God did not want to give anyone the idea that polygamy was OK for those who were saved when they were unmarried or had one wife at the time of salvation. That’s why the New Testament specifically forbids leaders in the church to have more than one wife.

Any person being led by the Holy Ghost will never be led into polygamy. Of course there are those who deny the existence of the Holy Ghost. So it’s no surprise that they are the ones justifying Polygamy.

It’s your choice Christ or polygamy. Tony chose polygamy, I choose Christ.

windycity (windycity)

12-05-2005, 01:52 PM

Ian you really are a bigger heretic than I thought. You say that polygamy was banned by God...since when? Scripture and verse please. No need for YOUR private interpretation. First of all, Jesus would not have been born in the flesh if it were not for polygamy. WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT? What about this, God BLESSED mighty Gideon,"And the angel of the Lord is with thee, thou mighty man of valour" Judges6:12. "And Gideon had threescore and ten sons of his body begotten: FOR HE HAD MANY WIVES" Judges8:30
If polygamy is so evil why would God be with these great men in history? OR, "If a man have TWO WIVES, one beloved,and another hated, and they have born him children, both the beloved and hated; and if the firstborn son be hers that was hated: Then it shall be, when he maketh his sons to inherit that which he hath, that he may not make the son of the beloved firstborn before the son of the hated, which indeed is the firstborn: But he shall acknowledge the son of the hated for the firstborn, by giving him a double portion of all that he hath...Deut.21

holdol27 (holdol27)

12-05-2005, 02:12 PM

so why do u have only one windy?

iasmann (iasmann)

12-05-2005, 02:41 PM

Let's see... Apostle Paul says we are not under the law but Tony says we are.

Jesus said the law and the prophets were until John but Tony says they're until now.

Hebrews says the law was taken away but Tony says it's still here.

Galations says cast out the son of the bondwoman (the imperfection of the law represented by the second wife) Tony says let the son of the bondwoman be heir with the son of the promise (the perfection of Christ represented by the real wife).

Hebrews says the law can not make us perfect Tony says it can.

Hmmmm I wonder who the heretic really is?

The law of Moses is banned and everything that went with it regardless of what Tony says. It doesn't matter how strong his feelings of lust are they cannot override the word of God.

I'm not the one with the private interpretation Tony is. Every promise of God in the Bible is to "whosoever will" except polygamy. It's for Tony only. Only he can have more than one wife. That sounds like a private interpretation to me.

jules11468 (jules11468)

12-05-2005, 03:10 PM

Don't you know that the other "brothers" are too weak in the Lord to handle multiple wives??? Only TA is strong enough to handle it. I bet the bros are ••••••• off about that too.

windycity (windycity)

12-05-2005, 05:00 PM

Ian, Scripture and verse please...where GOD CONDEMNS POLYGAMY. Furthermore, what was it the Jesus said, hmmmm " I came NOT TO DESTROY THE LAW..." Matt.5:17. The sacrifices were done away with after Jesus THE ULTIMATE SACRIFICE, died and rose again. You are proven once again to be a heretic...you have been reproved now you are rejected.

pobox398 (pobox398)

12-05-2005, 05:35 PM

Well shiver me timbers, windy, I’m sure Ian is just so undone and shaking in his boots to be reproved and rejected by you! ROFLOL – <ditto> http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/biggrin.gif http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/lol.gif http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif!!!

paperclip (paperclip)

12-05-2005, 05:39 PM

Let the scriptures speak for themselves. Any person can put any spin on these words of our Lord that they want. But they are pretty PLAIN and EASY TO UNDERSTAND--simple.
Mat 5:3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
Mat 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth
Mat 5:6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
Mat 5:7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
Mat 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
Mat 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
Mat 5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake:, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
Mat 5:12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
Mat 5:13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savor, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.
Mat 5:14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on a hill cannot be hid.
Mat 5:15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
Mat 5:16 Let your light so shine before men that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever, therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Mat 5:23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath aught against thee;
Mat 5:24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.
Mat 5:25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, while thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.
Mat 5:26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.
Mat 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
Mat 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1Co 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

safenowinspite (safenowinspite)

12-05-2005, 05:41 PM

Ian, I also look into the old testiment and all of our major problems have come from the offspring of polygamy. Man cannot be satisfied in the natural and this is why he keeps looking for more. He doesnt get his satisfaction from God . And Jules, I know that the men were upset about not being able to do what Tony did....lol
Carol Fryer

Windy he just gave the verses. And they were indeed good ones.

iasmann (iasmann)

12-05-2005, 05:46 PM

What about the rest of the scripture that says Christ came to "fulfill" the law. Why did you leave that half out. Is it because you didn't want anyone to look up "fulfilled" in the dictionary.

Fulfilled means to bring to an end, to finish. The law wasn't destroyed it was finished. There is a big difference between destroying something and finishing it. When something is finished it is over.

So how about this for a scripture and verse Matthew 5:17. This scripture which you misquoted above clearly states that the law is over. Polygamy along with slavery is over. What part of over don't you understand.

You have a choice; the law of Moses or the law of Faith. You are choosing the law of Moses which can't justify you. That's why it was finished and replaced. Because you are rejecting the law of Faith and the perfection of Christ you are condemning yourself.

Holly hit the nail on the head when she said people believe what they want to. You've put your trust in Tony rather than in Christ and Tony has put his trust in his lust for young girls.

I'm not trying to convince you or Tony. He's read these scriptures and so have you. If the Holy Ghost couldn't get through to you I know I won't either.

However there may be people reading this website who have received some of Tony's stolen literature like the "Messiah" book. Because this stolen literature was written in the Spirit they think Tony is in the Spirit and is being led by the Holy Ghost when in fact he's not.

What I'm posting is just basic Bible truth that any Christian knows. It's what you're posting to defend Tony that shows Tony's real story. Your posts do more to make Tony look like the heretic and pervert he is than mine do.

(Message edited by iasmann on December 05, 2005)

safenowinspite (safenowinspite)

12-05-2005, 05:48 PM

Paperclip, thats one thing thats changed my life majorly. In the New Testament God deals with whats inside that motivates and produces what happens outside. If we concentrate on the inside with what God says the outside will produce plenty of fruit.
Also John 15: 4-5....6 is real good too speaking of results.

safenowinspite (safenowinspite)

12-05-2005, 05:52 PM

Theres a big difference between molding your life to Gods ways and molding Gods ways to your life.

safenowinspite (safenowinspite)

12-05-2005, 05:54 PM

One causes you to yeild to God...the other causes God to yeild to you. We all know that wont work.

windycity (windycity)

12-05-2005, 07:19 PM

Ian, Yes, Jesus came to fulfill. He ended the animal sacrifices...You are far to carnal to understand the scriptures. God's Word will stand forever and not one jot, or one tittle shall pass away until ALL be fulfilled. "Man shall not live by bread alone, but by EVERY WORD that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." Matt.4:4.
Oh, and since when should Holly's word be counted as something that I should consider? What a joke. The girl thinks the Bible is boring and she is plain ol' vile.
Jesus is THE WORD OF GOD!! Polygamy is included in THE WORD OF GOD (JESUS). It really does not matter if you or Hollyhoe believe it or not. By the way, not all things have been FULFILLED yet. Jesus has yet to come crashing through the eastern skies... SO WATCH OUT!!!!!

christophr19 (christophr19)

12-05-2005, 08:11 PM

Windy, you should look up the word reject.
You have recently posted that Ian was reproved, and "now rejected"! So why are you still here?
If you had really rejected him, you would not be talking or dealing with him any longer.
We here, all know that you just spit out what ever thoughts that little imp on your shoulder whispers in your ear. You tell peoplle to show you in the scriptures where you and phony are wrong. And BAM! Mutiple people post an almost overwhelming amount of scripture references to show you in the word where you have erred. Instead of even reading them and considering that you might have been led astray, you spew forth hatred and death.
So to close, you have ceased to follow God's word and have chosen to follow phoney A-lame-O's inflamed organ of lust to your own demise.
We all will pray for you that God opens your spirtiual eyes to see the error of your ways.

iasmann (iasmann)

12-05-2005, 08:28 PM

ROFLOL

The master of lust is calling others carnal. The guy who had all the candy and cigs sent to the jailhouse so he could get massages "all over" by his bunkmate is calling others carnal. That's too much.

Read the book of Hebrews and Galatians. The entire law of Moses was replaced not just the sacrifices. All you know about the Bible is what Tony tells you. Which isn't much these days except that polygamy is OK (but only for Tony).

windycity (windycity)

12-05-2005, 08:31 PM

Curry, so out of the multitudes of scripture that were posted which one CONDEMNED POLYGAMY? Not one. Because there are none.

jules11468 (jules11468)

12-05-2005, 08:44 PM

Windy is just hoping that by getting on here and defending TA, maybe TA will tell him that he can have another wife too. "See Tony, see how good I am being?" "See how I am rebuking them all for you?" Can I have another wife now, please, Tony!

holdol27 (holdol27)

12-05-2005, 09:05 PM

windy why do u have soooooooo much to say about other people except your pastor? do u know what is going on behind closed doors in tony's house? you won't answer because u know the answer is NO!

windycity (windycity)

12-05-2005, 09:20 PM

So do you HO?

holdol27 (holdol27)

12-05-2005, 09:28 PM

where did u get this whole ho thing from anyways?and for someone claiming to be a christian and follower of tony u sure are giving alamo ministries a bad name.

iasmann (iasmann)

12-05-2005, 09:40 PM

Ho's and little girls is all that's on his mind.

holdol27 (holdol27)

12-05-2005, 09:41 PM

i believe jody to be a truthful person because of past experiences with her as a child. so yes i do know that tony is a perv that has taken my closest childhood friends jeanette and lizzy and basicly raped them why do i call it rape u ask? they feared they would burn in hell if they didn't do what "God" told tony they must do.......become his concubines! i have seen and spoken to both of these womans family since they have been out of the foundation...........u are a rude ugly obese man whom i am not inclined to believe whatsoever besides u are the one following this self proclaimed man of god not me! u should find out for yourself what is going on in his house for your own salvations sake!

iasmann (iasmann)

12-05-2005, 09:56 PM

Hey Windy,

Is it true that Tony is telling everyone that this is the most watched internet site in the world and that hundreds of thousands of people are posting stuff in his favor but that the Vatican is erasing it all.

And of course we already know he's saying that we are all being paid by the Vatican to post on here. One of his devoted followers told us that a while back.

I hear the Pope checks this site out 20 times a day. When are you all going to stop swallowing this Vatican boogeyman stuff.

rattlesnake (rattlesnake)

12-06-2005, 12:36 AM

Windy: I am still waiting for you to provide scripture from the New Testament that says that polygomy is correct and that it is okay to break the law. I must have missed your response because I can't find it.

holdol27 (holdol27)

12-06-2005, 01:22 AM

whats your response windy? u are ignorant to the devices of satan {tony}.........so sad

summer4ever (summer4ever)

12-06-2005, 01:36 AM

On top of what iasmann has stated, here is more input on the matter of polygamy:

God has forbidden the leaders of his people from practicing polygamy both in the Old Testament and the New Testament:

The Old Testament (King – Fleshly Leader of God’s people): "Neither shall he multiply wives to himself, that his heart turn not away: neither shall he greatly multiply to himself silver and gold" (Deuteronomy 17:17).

The New Testament (Spiritual Leader of God’s people): "A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; Not given to wine, no striker..." (I Timothy 3:2-3).

As mentioned before, God created just Adam and Eve.
"Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed" (Genesis 2:23-24).
God did not say, "and shall cleave unto his wiveS."

"And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder (Matthew 19:5-6)."
Jesus did not say, "Wherefore they are no more NUMEROUS, but one flesh."

And, of course, there are the scriptures below, which plainly speak (as always) for themselves:

"Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband. Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband. The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife" (I Corinthians 7:2-4).

So not only is polygamy wrong for God's leaders, it is wrong for everyone: "every man" and "every woman..."

Additionally, bigamy and polygamy are both against the laws of our country. The Bible does not command Tony to commit these crimes; therefore, he should abide by the laws and customs of our land (Romans 13:7).

Jody

marty_s (marty_s)

12-06-2005, 02:05 AM

ian who do you think windy really is ? maybe striet or sanford or don wolf? lol

summer4ever (summer4ever)

12-06-2005, 02:06 AM

I have one more thought on this issue...

From a more personal note, actually having lived in the polygamist situation (not by choice, but by threat), polygamy, in itself, breeds confusion, jealousy, and strife.

"For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints" (I Corinthians 14:33).
"For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work. But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy. And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace" (James 3:16-18).

Even if practicing polygamy wasn't against the scriptures or the laws of our land, Tony is still not following the scriptures for marriage.

Tony is putting his some "wives" away (by throwing them out of his house and placing them in ward), and taking on new "wives" when it pleases him. This is also wrong (Mark 10:11, Matthew 19:9).

Also (this point has been stated before), Tony has taken other men's wives; thus committing adultery. This is wrong in the Old Testament (Leviticus 20:10, Genesis 20:3) and the New Testament (Mark 10:4-12, Matthew 19:4-10, Matthew 5:27-32).
In the Old Testament, men could write a bill of divorcement, freeing themselves and their wives from marriage (Deuteronomy 24:1), but in neither case did these women that he married have a bill of divorcement.

In the New Testament, even divorce is not justifiable except for fornication (Mark 10:4-12, Matthew 19:4-10, Matthew 5:27-32).

Let us not forget that with Tony, we are not just talking about Polygamy, but rape and child abuse. He is taking girls under the legal age of marriage and taking them under coercion. Tony may justify this by saying he is getting the parent's permission (although he did NOT get my parent's permission before taking me). Depending on the age of the minor, it is legal in states to marry a minor with the parent's written consent. But (huge But here) because he is not LEGALLY marrying them, it still a crime – statutory rape.

What does all this mean? Every angle by which Tony's perversion is approached, there is no justification. Simply stated, Tony is not following the scriptures in the Bible, nor is he following the laws of our country.

Jody

marty_s (marty_s)

12-06-2005, 02:08 AM

ian who do you think windy really is ? striet
or sanford or maybe don wolf ? some tony wannabee that's for sure.

smitty (smitty)

12-06-2005, 02:22 AM

You mean to say that "sandcrab" is still there? That's terrible!, I thought he had more of a head on his shoulders than that. Streit of Don W. I can see, but Sanford?

iasmann (iasmann)

12-06-2005, 02:55 AM

Hey marty,

I don't know. Streit would never use windy city he's strictly big apple. So I doubt that it's him. It could be Tommy Scarcello the ultimate brown noser. LOL.

Anyway he rejected me and I was feeling pretty bad so I went out and bought some chocolate to make me feel better but it was old and full of bugs. Turns out the guy at the store got a deal from some company called TCB.

rattlesnake (rattlesnake)

12-06-2005, 02:56 AM

I think what it really boils down to is "How far are people willing to go to stop him". How loud are you going to scream in protest to get someone's attention. The law and the government have to stand up and take notice if there is enough proof to investigate it. I think there is.
It is those of you that have the proof that need to make the noise. It needs to be stopped. Knowing that it is going on and not doing everything in your power to stop it is not right. Go out and picket around his home... let everyone know what is going on. I can tell you he won't sit back and take that too well!!!! It would make outsiders take notice too.
Actually that would be hilarious... he would likely have a coronary!!!

holdol27 (holdol27)

12-06-2005, 03:04 AM

hey rattle! i will definatly ponder the thought of picketing but not without my 44! lol maybve if every single one of us on this board contacts OPRAH it may get throught o her and she can do a show!

saved_21570 (saved_21570)

12-06-2005, 03:04 AM

Ian. Excellent post on polygamy!

You are right nothing we are posting is for Tony or Windy's sake. They have made up their minds, and have given their lives and hearts in defense of covetousness.

When searching the sciptures in regard to polygamy (I did search, because I had to know for sure.) I found some other very profound truths about polygamy and marriage in general.

Just a few sciptures first that I am sure most people are already aware of :

Mark 10:11 "And he (Jesus) saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her."

This applies to polygamy---- but if that doesn't suffice, remember Tony divorced Briggitta without just Biblical cause. He then went through 3 or 4 more wives( besides, a few more times that he had sex with women that only his chosen few knew about) HE IS NOW CONDEMEMED by both Law of Moses and Law of Christ.

I Cor 7:2 "...let every woman have her own husband." Now I understand when Tony says you can have something of" your own" it can mean a lot of different things. Thanks be to God that God is not that way. By the way Windy for your accountability; Meriam Webster defines own as: 1. belonging to oneself or itself--usually used following a possessive case or possessive adjective _ cooked my own dinner, or in our case have your own husband.

The most profound truth that I uncovered is the simplicity of being like Christ. Our calling is to reflect Him in this world.

It says in psalm 91:1 "He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty." A shadow cast upon a wall is an image of the one whose shadow it is. So we cast His image on the earth. This is the testimony of Jesus - the Spirit of prophesy. Adam also had this image. God put Adam into a deep sleep and brought forth from his side his one bride, Our precious Savior died and brought forth us the one bride of Christ.

When a man and woman in Christ Jesus marry they are an image of the Lord Jesus Christ and his bride. This is our calling, part of the testimony of Jesus.

When someone marries more then one wife they are preaching that Christ has more than one bride. In so doing are preaching that there are many ways to Christ. Damnable heresy.

As you said Ian, if it had just been adults that had been foolish enough to give themselves over to Tony to pervert them we would have let them be. He has stolen mens wifes and coerced innocent little virgin girls. The most innocent and defenseless members of his congregation.

Love in Christ, Tom

arron (arron)

12-06-2005, 05:06 AM

no they are not the two wittnesess . they wont come till the tribulation period. if they say they are the two wittnessess they are LIEING.
as far as that goes the two wittnesses will be jewish

saved_21570 (saved_21570)

12-06-2005, 12:21 PM

Ian and freinds,

I wanted to add. That this reflection of Christ in our lives is charity. It is the Law of Christ. It also is the fullfillment of the Law (Moses), and it is the goal, and it is the end of the Law. If you walk in this liberty you are free from the Law because you have fulfilled the Law.

Love in Christ, Tom

safenowinspite (safenowinspite)

12-06-2005, 05:34 PM

Was Sandford the one with the wife Terry. I remember her. She was the one that took Tonys challenge to seek God and ended up getting rebuked for God using her. She also went to the hospital with me when Joanna was having seisures. She prayed a little old man through in his room because she was so mad at the devil....I really liked Terry. I liked Ina too but felt like she hated me...lol.
Carol Fryer

jules11468 (jules11468)

12-06-2005, 06:18 PM

Carol,

My mom (Ina) never hated anyone. She doesnt have a mean-spirit in her body. There were lots of "clicks" in the foundation as I am sure you know. Sometimes you were "in" and sometimes you were "out".

safenowinspite (safenowinspite)

12-06-2005, 11:43 PM

Thats true jules...thank you. and also I was a baby christian supposedly at the time so i was just treated differently i guess. Also, because I was with Larry who left and came back with a pregnant wife, I was told I carried a bit of his sin so to speak...lol Im amazed at times when I look behind me and see the work God has done in me.
Carol Fryer

helives (helives)

12-09-2005, 09:01 PM

Carol
I'm so sorry someone ever told you that lie, I'm glad I never heard that! I feel bad for you, I'm sorry I never got to know you better.

The parable of the prodigal son is 1 example of our Father's great mercy and forgiveness. I love when the son came to his senses and went home,
But when he was yet a great way off, his father saw him, and had compassion, and ran, and fell on his neck, and kissed him.
And the son said unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in thy sight, and am no more worthy to be called thy son.
But the father said to his servants, Bring forth the best robe, and put it on him; and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet:
And bring hither the fatted calf, and kill it; and let us eat, and be merry:
For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.

Here is the true personality of our Father! This was how Larry and you should have been treated!

His son was at one time alive, then died, and now alive AGAIN! It wasn't written, "My son has returned, let him live in the barn with the pigs and tell him to work with the servants, he lost his place in my house".

No, the Father 1st ran to his son when he saw him afar off and then the father embraced his son and kissed him welcoming his son home again! Showing the Father's great compassion and forgiveness for his son's foolishness. However the father didn't stop with just welcoming his son home, he started clothing him, giving him a robe, shoes and a ring, and then they all feasted, with the littlest calf????? No - the fattest!

There are so many parables about God's wrath side, which we focused on in the foundation, however there are also so many parables and scriptures of His great mercy and forgiveness.

We need to be well rounded, knowing the full personality of God, His wrath and His mercy!
His mercies are renewed each morning, they are higher than the heavens.

He is a God to be feared because of His awesome power, and He is a God to be Loved because of His great mercy and kindness.

summer4ever (summer4ever)

12-10-2005, 01:35 AM

Helives,

I love your post! The things Tony didn't preach too much about were God's love, mercy, and forgiveness.

I'm sure my mom will enjoy reading it as well...

Thanks http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

Jody

(Message edited by summer4ever on December 09, 2005)

summer4ever (summer4ever)

12-10-2005, 02:03 AM

Tony did preach quite a bit about God's vengeance, wrath, and condemnation and rarely about God's love...
I wonder why?
Is it because fearful people are easier to convince that "Evil One-World Government Agents are claiming to be United States Agents" and that Tony is a target for assassination from these Anti-Christ Catholic agents?

Strange, that this "powerful One-World Anti-Christ government" has a hit out on Tony, but can't seem to find a way to assassinate him. So in government's desperation, they have to settle for framing Tony for false filing and tax evasion charges. C'mon! This "controlling one-world Anti-Christ government" couldn't come up with something that carried a little bit of a stiffer sentence?

And if that isn't crazy enough, there is more to this wildly, entertainingly dreadful fantasy of Tony's...
One of Tony’s tracts claims there is an ex-government agent who refused the order to kill Tony so the government framed the agent’s son for murder and the son is now on death row. Please! Paranoia will destroy ya!

Just the statement "THE CONFESSION OF A FORMER FBI, BATF, DEA, AND FEDERAL BUREAU TASK FORCE UNDERCOVER AGENT" sounds unbelievable. That agent was part of how many government agencies? Either one government agency doesn't pay nearly enough or the "one-world" government is having a hard time finding agents in the world they control... I guess the Vatican doesn't pay nearly as much as Tony leads on... hmm...

Yes, that sounds familiar...
Tony claimed I had been seen driving around town in a brand new red car shortly after receiving my subpoena because of all the government money I received for testifying against Tony. I didn’t even own a car at the time. The only car I had been driving in 1994 was my mom's old ’81 Chrysler LeBaron station wagon back and forth to work... LOL

Hey, if anyone wants to read this magnificently paranoid tract, here is the link:
http://www.alamoministries.com/Gospel_Messages/English/eviloneworld.html

Jody

helives (helives)

12-10-2005, 02:36 AM

Let us consider this also if the "powerful One-World Anti-Christ government" and the Vatican were trying to kill Tony. They had the perfect spot "FEDERAL PRISON". Tony Alamo served several years for tax evasion in a prison that is run by the feds!!!! I'm sure once they got him inside they could have snuffed him out and made it look anyway they wanted. So we don't buy that LIE any longer.

The Feds protected Tony while he was in prison, and when he completed his sentence for the crime he committed - he was released from prison. He was not delivered from prison by the Lord, he had to serve his time.

Thanks Jody, and yes lots of hell fire and damnation preaching at the foundation. Is that a bad thing? No, it is true, but it has to be the full personality - also His mercies and how He is a God of Love to those who love Him and Keep His commandments.

summer4ever (summer4ever)

12-10-2005, 02:57 AM

Helives,

Excellent points!

Jody

iasmann (iasmann)

12-10-2005, 04:42 AM

Why would the Vatican want to kill him?
He's doing more to make Christians look like cultists than anybody alive.

The Vatican probably protected him in prison. Although I know the candy and cigs helped. Especially with those massages "all over" right Tony.

Hey, maybe he cut a deal with the Vatican while in prison and that's why they're letting him have all these wives. A protestant perv would definately take the heat off some of those priests.

(Message edited by iasmann on December 09, 2005)

smitty (smitty)

12-10-2005, 08:02 AM

That's what I suggested in a pervious post Ian..There was some collaboration some time past between the Foundation, Scientology and Mr. George Melton, who is the Director of the U.S. branch of the Institute for the study of New Religions. (the organization is based in Rome and goes by the acronym CESNUR) and if you check on CESNUR you will see that it works closely with OPUS DEI (!!!!) Truth can be stranger than fiction

safenowinspite (safenowinspite)

12-10-2005, 03:25 PM

Thank you for that encouraging post helives. GBU. It was beautiful. I knew the Lord before i was in the foundation, so I knew His personality and the reflextion I was seeing there wasnt accurate with what I knew of Him. I always saw the tender side of God and it made me so so thirsty for more. I remember one time God reproving me and it was with great compassion and love. Mostly I feel like Im a moth and Hes the flame, but the flame will only burn off whats bad as I move closer. The Fathers love is so amazing to send Jesus to us. Sorry Ive been away, its been busy here. How has everyone been. Wheres our Windy? My love to all.
Carol Fryer

jules11468 (jules11468)

12-10-2005, 08:24 PM

Windy is waiting for TA to approve more postings

double_j (double_j)

12-10-2005, 10:36 PM

It been a while since I have really vented in a post, so I feel today t s time to do so.... so here comes another rant.......

First off let me start by saying I don't think I'll be able to do much posting any longer on this forum after today. The moderators for some reason have decided to ban my IP address, and its a pain in the •••• to try to get around it. (Thanks Alamo supporters or who ever complained to the moderators, you have won this battle but not the war.......Is your pig of a life that lame you had to contact the moderators? If you cant stand the heat, stay out the kitchen or in your case get back to making jackets or bangin' your old wrinkly perverted, cunning lying, stealing, pig of a husband Tony Asslamo.) Heres a fact that will NEVER CHANGE... I have stated this before and I will state it again..... back in the mid to late 80's Tony Alamo had children BEATEN BLOODY and I will NEVER stop letting people know the truth about that despicable abusive pig. He is (as I stated in some of my very firsts posts on this web site back in August of 2005) Tony Alamo is a GREAT CON ARTSITS.... problem is he like to abuse children, and for that I have a moral obligation, as should all you people to expose his BS.

Im sorry to rant, but something else thats is starting to really bother me here, SO MANY PEOPLE on this web site are now trying to be over the top lovey dovey its starting to become sickening.....Some of you people are as fake as I remember you being in Arkansas. Its sad. Cut the crap. If you were a p*rick to some of the kids that are now grown, don't sit on here and try to act like you never were a jerk or just a mean person (with the exception of Mike Borak cuzz I really honor a guy that can admit his role in something he took part of that was so horrible and then have the guts to apologize for the horrible things that happened to so many young innocent kids on the Georgia Ridge in Arkansas). I m sure alot of you are not going to like this post...TOO BAD.

Get back to exposing this •••••••• TONY ASSLAMO for what he has done to you,and if he has never done anything to you, then more importantly for what he has done to so many Innocent children. How can people who hear allegations of child abuse still defend some one with out ever questioning, wait .... could it be true? You Alamo supporters make me sick, weather your a big mouthed 16 year old seabag or a 85 year old dirty hag that never did anything with there life so they have nothing to retire on and have to depend on Asslamo. Your pieces of garbage and your sh*t stinks.

Don't know when Ill be back, cuzz Im sure someone will complain to the moderators about me being back on the site, spouting out the truth again. At least I know me and my family are safe, I hope yours is too, and for Christ sake, cut the phony crap out. Its obnoxious. Not all of you are doing it, but there are quite a few who are, so if you find yourself getting mad at this post, well then your probably one the ones I am talking about. Deal with it. Hey there Chris, Kimmy, Rattlesnake, Skeptik, Mom, Eric, Tammi, Jody, Holly, Simon and who ever else I didn't mention who (like myself) KEEPS IT REAL in this forum..... and doesn't do the kiss ••• thing on all their posts....seriously if your doing that, its very transparent and very obnoxious.

doublej4q97@yahoo.com

(Message edited by double_j on December 10, 2005)

(Message edited by Double_j on December 10, 2005)

summer4ever (summer4ever)

12-10-2005, 10:51 PM

Hey double_j, good to hear from you.

I enjoy reading your posts because they are brutally honest. Keep being yourself.

Does anyone remember when we were younger Tony used to always say the pope had a harem of little boys that he was molesting? And how wrong the pope was?
And now, Tony has a harem of children as well at his disposal. Crazy, eh?
I wonder if Tony believes it is okay just because the children he is molesting and raping are girls, not boys. Sad.

Jody

rattlesnake (rattlesnake)

12-10-2005, 11:11 PM

Heh Double_j... I hope you don't have to quit posting. I understand your pain and anger 100% and I truly understand where it comes from. Don't ever stop! I agree with you as well that the matter of urgency is to stop Tony from what he is doing and to protect other children from being abused. Not one child on the face of this earth deserves it and it does not matter who is doing it. Abusers need to be held accountable or when they can't do it anymore, someone else will see they got away with it and will pick up where the abusers left off. It has to be stopped and the ones with the most power to see to it that it is stopped are the ones it happened too. Keep on telling the world!! It is criminal and has to be stopped!!!!

double_j (double_j)

12-11-2005, 02:19 AM

Thanks Jody, and Rattlesnake.

These dirty seabags that get on here and defend that peice of •••• outta be ashamed of themselves for not being able to stand up for thier children and thier childrens friends. How sad and sick. Who ever defends a peice of garbage that hurts children, is themselves garbage and scumm, whether they are 16 or 60. Even at young ages children know what is right and what is wrong, and when they hear stories of other children getting beaten and they respond with we are going to burn in hell(just for telling our stories so other innocent children are not luered into that place and hurt as well), well then their is a real problem there. You don' like what I say.....Deal with it scumbags.

false_prophet_detecter (false_prophet_detecter)

12-15-2005, 07:44 AM

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saved_21570

04-10-2006, 12:51 AM

Looking at some past posts and thought some of these about poligamy should be posted again. Ian wrote;
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In order to understand why polygamy is not allowed today you have to understand the reason for the Old and New Testaments. And the difference between the Old and New Testaments.

God made man upright in the garden of Eden but he was alone. The Bible tells us “And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him” (Gen. 2:18). Notice it says “an” help meet - singular. This was God’s perfect union; one man and one woman. He could have made two or five or 100 women if he’d wanted to but he didn’t because perfection was one. Just one woman and one man. That was how it began and that was perfect.

But man sinned and fell from perfection, so God instituted a way for man to become perfect again. This was done in two steps. The Law of Moses contained in the Old Testament and the Law of Faith contained in the New Testament. The Old Testament was never meant to be permanent. It was imposed on the people until the time of Christ referred to in Hebrews nine as the “time of reformation.” In Hebrews ten we are told that the Old Testament Law of Moses was “taken away” to establish the New Testament law of Faith.

Because man was still in his fallen state during Old Testament times God suffered and allowed many things that are forbidden today. Jesus told us that divorce was allowed only because of the hardness of men’s hearts. The same is true of polygamy. He said it was not that way in the beginning when things were perfect. He reiterated again that perfection was one man and one wife. See Mark 10: 5-9.

When Christ died on the cross and rose again from the dead he not only restored man to his original place but elevated him. When man was created he was a little lower than the Angels but through the redemption in Christ’s blood we are made joint heirs with Christ who is better than the Angels. The Angels are now our ministering Spirits and we are restored to perfection in Christ.

Jesus commanded “Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.”
Polygamy was never a part of perfection. Since we are now back to perfection polygamy is banned just as it was in the Garden of Eden. If you choose to reject the perfection of Christ and go back under the Old Testament law then you can be a polygamist, but you will also be going to Hell since the law made nothing perfect. But the bringing in of a better hope (Christ) did.

What about converted pagans who already had several wives and then got saved? Rather than break up the families they can stay together. This is one of the issues discussed in First Corinthians chapter seven. However God did not want to give anyone the idea that polygamy was OK for those who were saved when they were unmarried or had one wife at the time of salvation. That’s why the New Testament specifically forbids leaders in the church to have more than one wife.

Any person being led by the Holy Ghost will never be led into polygamy. Of course there are those who deny the existence of the Holy Ghost. So it’s no surprise that they are the ones justifying Polygamy.

It’s your choice Christ or polygamy. Tony chose polygamy, I choose Christ.

saved_21570

04-10-2006, 12:54 AM

More, Ian wrote:

Posted on Monday, December 05, 2005 - 11:46 am:

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What about the rest of the scripture that says Christ came to "fulfill" the law. Why did you leave that half out. Is it because you didn't want anyone to look up "fulfilled" in the dictionary.

Fulfilled means to bring to an end, to finish. The law wasn't destroyed it was finished. There is a big difference between destroying something and finishing it. When something is finished it is over.

So how about this for a scripture and verse Matthew 5:17. This scripture which you misquoted above clearly states that the law is over. Polygamy along with slavery is over. What part of over don't you understand.

You have a choice; the law of Moses or the law of Faith. You are choosing the law of Moses which can't justify you. That's why it was finished and replaced. Because you are rejecting the law of Faith and the perfection of Christ you are condemning yourself.

Holly hit the nail on the head when she said people believe what they want to. You've put your trust in Tony rather than in Christ and Tony has put his trust in his lust for young girls.

I'm not trying to convince you or Tony. He's read these scriptures and so have you. If the Holy Ghost couldn't get through to you I know I won't either.

However there may be people reading this website who have received some of Tony's stolen literature like the "Messiah" book. Because this stolen literature was written in the Spirit they think Tony is in the Spirit and is being led by the Holy Ghost when in fact he's not.

What I'm posting is just basic Bible truth that any Christian knows. It's what you're posting to defend Tony that shows Tony's real story. Your posts do more to make Tony look like the heretic and pervert he is than mine do.

saved_21570

04-10-2006, 12:56 AM

Also:
Ian. Excellent post on polygamy!

You are right nothing we are posting is for Tony or Windy's sake. They have made up their minds, and have given their lives and hearts in defense of covetousness.

When searching the sciptures in regard to polygamy (I did search, because I had to know for sure.) I found some other very profound truths about polygamy and marriage in general.

Just a few sciptures first that I am sure most people are already aware of :

Mark 10:11 "And he (Jesus) saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her."

This applies to polygamy---- but if that doesn't suffice, remember Tony divorced Briggitta without just Biblical cause. He then went through 3 or 4 more wives( besides, a few more times that he had sex with women that only his chosen few knew about) HE IS NOW CONDEMEMED by both Law of Moses and Law of Christ.

I Cor 7:2 "...let every woman have her own husband." Now I understand when Tony says you can have something of" your own" it can mean a lot of different things. Thanks be to God that God is not that way. By the way Windy for your accountability; Meriam Webster defines own as: 1. belonging to oneself or itself--usually used following a possessive case or possessive adjective _ cooked my own dinner, or in our case have your own husband.

The most profound truth that I uncovered is the simplicity of being like Christ. Our calling is to reflect Him in this world.

It says in psalm 91:1 "He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty." A shadow cast upon a wall is an image of the one whose shadow it is. So we cast His image on the earth. This is the testimony of Jesus - the Spirit of prophesy.

Adam also had this image. God put Adam into a deep sleep and brought forth from his side his one bride, Our precious Savior died ,his side was opened and he brought forth us, the one bride of Christ.

When a man and woman in Christ Jesus marry they are an image of the Lord Jesus Christ and his bride. This is our calling, part of the testimony of Jesus. The Spirit of prophesy alive in our lives.

When someone marries more then one wife they are preaching that Christ has more than one bride. In so doing are preaching that there are many ways to Christ. Damnable heresy.

As you said Ian, if it had just been adults that had been foolish enough to give themselves over to Tony to pervert them we would have let them be. He has stolen mens wifes and coerced innocent little virgin girls. The most innocent and defenseless members of his congregation.

Love in Christ, Tom

(Message edited by saved_21570 on April 09, 2006)

saved_21570

04-10-2006, 01:06 AM

And:

Ian and freinds,

I wanted to add. That this reflection of Christ in our lives is charity. It is the Law of Christ. It also is the fullfillment of the Law (Moses), and it is the goal, and it is the end of the Law. If you walk in this liberty you are free from the Law because you have fulfilled the Law.

Love in Christ, Tom

saved_21570

04-10-2006, 10:31 PM

Jody said

Posted on Monday, December 05, 2005 - 7:36 pm:

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On top of what iasmann has stated, here is more input on the matter of polygamy:

God has forbidden the leaders of his people from practicing polygamy both in the Old Testament and the New Testament:

The Old Testament (King – Fleshly Leader of God’s people): "Neither shall he multiply wives to himself, that his heart turn not away: neither shall he greatly multiply to himself silver and gold" (Deuteronomy 17:17).

The New Testament (Spiritual Leader of God’s people): "A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; Not given to wine, no striker..." (I Timothy 3:2-3).

As mentioned before, God created just Adam and Eve.
"Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed" (Genesis 2:23-24).
God did not say, "and shall cleave unto his wiveS."

"And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder (Matthew 19:5-6)."
Jesus did not say, "Wherefore they are no more NUMEROUS, but one flesh."

And, of course, there are the scriptures below, which plainly speak (as always) for themselves:

"Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband. Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband. The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife" (I Corinthians 7:2-4).

So not only is polygamy wrong for God's leaders, it is wrong for everyone: "every man" and "every woman..."

Additionally, bigamy and polygamy are both against the laws of our country. The Bible does not command Tony to commit these crimes; therefore, he should abide by the laws and customs of our land (Romans 13:7).

Jody