Remberances

[saved_21570]

Until the redemtion,

I don't know if you were around in the early days of Crescent Hts. church. If you were or not; for your sake, others that were there, and also for the ones that are too young too remember. I would like to bring you back and relive some of the good times.

I hope that others add to this thread. Lets try to keep it reserved for the good things that God has done. Let the other lines deal with the what it has become.

There are so many things it would take a book. It is probably hard for anyone who wasn't there to see it as a "good time" but I remember sleeping on the floor so packed with new converts that we would have to wake up one person and have them move a couple of inches then wake the next and have him move a few more until there was enough space for some new soul to lay down.

I loved sleeping next to the vent that went into the prayer room. I would sleep all night listening to the prayers going up to the throne.
What preyer we had! The prayer room was a small cellar with very little ventilation. It would get hot and sticky, but my Lord, what power. I received the Holy Ghost in that sweaty little Spirit filled room. It seemed like everyone had victory and joy in those days. A song, or praise, or scipture always on their lips.

This is a start. I would really appreciate some of the old timers to add to this line. For those who still can, let's give God the glory due unto his name.

Continuing in Christ, your brother, Tom

[internuncio]

That is beautiful.
Where have those days gone?
Why did it not continue?

[saved_21570]

Nuncio,

The answer is leaven, but I'll deal with that on the other threads.

There was real persecution in those days. At that time Sunset Strip in Hollywood was packed every night with people who looked just like us, long haired, freaks. That is where they first coined the name Jesus freaks.

It was wall to wall kids, a large percentage whispering "grass, acid" or, such; hoping to sell their goods. The ones getting arrested where just as likely to be us as the drug dealers, or pimps.

One night an official from the Police Dept. spoke at the church and assured us that the police where not singling us out. All we had to do was to stay against the side of the buildings and not block traffic.

A few nights after that, I was out witnessing on the Strip with Ronnie Pryor. I had only been a Christian for a few weeks but I already knew that Ronnie was one of the most effective witnessers. It was almost like music listening to Ronnie preach. His voice was always horse and it seemed like it was just one scripture after another as he would compel the sinners to come to Christ. He would usually herd a whole crowd of people to services at night.

Then I saw the police coming down the street I looked down the street and saw brothers and sisters all over the sidewalk, but I was releaved to see Ronnie up against a building like he was supposed to be. The police walked right past everyone else. They put Ronnie in handcuffs and as he was being put in the back of the car he had a big smile on his face and said to me, "Praise the Lord" in his coarse voice.
He testified later. That night, he had been praying in his cell, guards came in and shoved towels in his mouth and said, "Praise God now."

Ronnie now has a ministry in Memphis, TN.

Tlll next time.
Love in Christ, Tom

[saved_21570]

As the church increased in number, the sanctuary was filled to capacity. Persecution from the West Hollywood police Dept. also continued. Sometimes they would bust in, in the middle of the night and arrest someone because they looked under age or some such charge. One time they even threw tear gas into the prayer room.

People would get whatever small amount of money they had and put it together and bail them out. Charges would usually then be dropped.

Then one of the neighbors started complaining about the noise.

Now understand, our services started at 8 PM every night (3 & 8 on Sunday) and we did raise the rafters. Twelve String Tom Gorbea led the song service and pretty much anyone who played an instrument could join the band. Martin Howard played trumpet, Kitch (I think) was on bass. Dale Garris had his flute. Tee and Norman played clarinet. Plus, a host of others.

The songs were mostly country gospel standards. "I fly away," "when the roll is called up yonder," "Are you washed in the blood?," etc. So, if you didn't know the songs you could easily learn them.

When the song service started everybody sang with all their heart. I don't think anyone can sing gospel songs with more passion then we did. It was a full congregation of souls who were new from the dead and thankful for it. We knew how to Praise the Lord.

So, because of this complaint and subsequent threats from the city, we had to board up the windows with thick acoustic tiles, to muffle the noise. By this time, services were standing room only. Brothers and sisters who were already saved had to stand in the hall and in the stairway going to the second floor. This was just to make room for the new souls so they could hear the message.

Talk about hot! It was like a sauna. We would literally be dripping with sweat by the end of services.

Yet, ever night the alter would be full. Sometimes 5, sometimes 10, sometimes 20 new souls getting saved. Through it all we took it in stride, with hardly anyone complaining.

Looking back the only explaination I can give is that the grace of God was on us. It doesn't even seem natural does it?


Till next time,
In Christ, brother Tom

BTW; Caroline, I appologize, I should have said Ronnie and Caroline have a ministry in Memphis.

[internuncio]

Tom,
When did the souls stop coming to get saved? Arkansas NEVER saw that kind of move. And why when that move of God ended (had to have been in the mid 70s) WHY did the early recruits not leave and look for a place to serve God and not man??? After being bathed in that sweet anointing surely the early recruits wondered where that anointing went and had to have hungered for it! I have so many unanswered questions. Enjoying your posts.
Nuncio

[hollydolly]

it was that annointing that kept them there.......where else had they ever felt God before? they thought they were serving God by staying "doing the Lords work"........alamo's mind control, actually probably the easiest way of gaining control of people don't you think? what other organizations in this world have large numbers of followers dedicated to one person for years? its the peoples initial experience with God that make them prey to cult leaders and cons like tony alamo and all the other religious bastards like him! internuncio perhaps you never really felt God and thats why you don't understand all of this.

[saved_21570]

nuncio, & holly,
Great to see ya.

I don't profess to be the final authority on why things happened the way they did, but I'll give you the best answers I have gotten through reflection and prayer.

Holly, you are only part right. Certainly it was because we knew that this is where we were saved and where we had seen God move powerfully. Also, a twist on the scripture "to abide in the calling where you are called" helped. But, you have to understand, that if Tony had been then, as he is now, probably none of us would have stayed a night.

Tony was a different person then. Instead of boasting how much his boots cost and how powerful he is, he would joke that you tell an on fire pastor because the knees on his pants are shiny (from praying people through).

I know what he has become, but if you want to be brutally honest, we paid a price together in those first few years. That is what makes it so much worse. Your parents were not just taken in by some con man with a devious plan from the beginning. It would be easier to deal with if that were the case. They were extorted, and betrayed by one who had been in the trenches with them. A brother, a friend, a confidant. Someone that they not only admired but truly loved in Christ. If you don't understand this you will never grasp the "why."

I don't think anyone that was at the Crescent Hts. church would tell you that Tony and Sue had a plot to use the church to get rich. All you would have had to do is see us the way we were and you would know that is not the case.

I believe that there was a time when Tony loved the brethren. The problem is, the churches' love for him endured, long after his love was gone. In my opinion love was the strongest binding force that kept people there, not fear.

I should add, I don't think that is the case now.

I will add more later. This is all I have time for tonight.

Love in Christ, Tom

[razzor9]

Tom Tom Tom

My Brother

Tony never had a "heart for the brethren".

Please, he was a con dude from the start. Just ask the ones who were on the inside.

This being said it does not take away from the ones who came to the words of Christ!!!! Like you and many others.

It doesnt matter how the bush men in Africa hears the word of salvation.

It is not about the mesanger.

IT IS THE MESSAGE!!!!

RIGHT !!

Tony and Sue are not and have never been the two wittnesses

Do not put your eyes on the flesh.

Tony has always boasted about who HE THOUGHT he was.

Tony and Sue are not and have never been the two wittnesses like they proclaimed.

[until_the_redemption]

it <u>is</u> the case even now, Tom


Beloved and dear brother Tony Alamo,
In the name of our most Holy Jesus Christ, I pray God will continue to bless you with the love that only He has.
I know I don't know you personally, but I have read your message of salvation, and it has touched me deeply.
Your words of love and compassion are what made me feel different, and how you said in the literature how you prayed and the Lord answered your request, and how you had to make a promise to Him and keep it.
You let me know that if we truly do what we have promised to do, than He will always give us what we ask for.
At the moment, I am incarcerated, but thanks be to God and His great love, I am free even though I am in here.
He gave me salvation and I found His great love. I have been saved for a year and six months, and have gone through a lot of fire in here, but in spite of all, I keep going. Here, I have no relatives - just a few friends, but the truth is that I don't feel lonely, because as a great and strong giant, Jesus is with me strengthening me day by day.

Now I feel fortunate to receive your heavenly messages which you write. I've learned many things, and that everything is possible if we truly give Him our hearts, and do what we have promised.

You have shown me an excellent example, and I will follow it. I had always wanted to play music, and I came here to this country with that intention, but things didn't happen how I thought they would. I bought a guitar, and it ended up broken in pieces among my friends.

Now that I know God, and have read your literature, I realize I can still fulfill that dream, but not for the world, but for the King of kings and Lord of lords.

Please pray for me, since your prayers are heard by God.

Your messages are filled with God's love. As it states in your literature, "They will know you are of me, the Almighty God," and "If you do it the world will feel my presence in what you write, therefore they will know you are no cult, but of me, the Almighty God." I pray God will continue blessing you more and more each day. I am sure that through you and your messages, many souls are being saved.

Your messages are divine because everything you write is inspired by the Holy Spirit of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Brother Alamo, the truth is that your words are so beautiful, that it has caused tears to run down my cheeks, and something gives me the confidence to write you.

You look good because you serve the Lord. May the Lord bless you and your wonderful family in Jesus' name. I would like to receive your book called "Messiah," and other books you may have.

Now I only desire to serve the Lord, and I pray He will give me the power to keep my promise. This is all for now. I end here saying, may the Lord continue to bless you as always, in all of your Christian messages. Remain blessed, now and always. Amen.
Attentively, Carlos
Nashville, North Carolina

[phahrrrt_detector]

>>WHEW<<
SMELL WHATS BLOWIN N THE WIND AGAIN?!
ABSOLUTELU PUTRID!!!

[marcel]

Tom, it is good to read these memories. Keep telling us more memories, and some other will do it too maybe..
It was Christ that saved us and not Tony.
Tony and Sue were saved once like us.
It is not because Tony turned from righteousness to twisting scriptures to satisfy his carnal lustful sins and that his old nature, violent and choleric and his deceitful (con mind) came back to him, that at one time, he was not on fire for God.
At that time he was a good leader to send people to the battle to witness about eternal salvation in Jesus.
He should have been keeping coming with us witnessing on the streets, but now it is too late if he don't repent from all his fornications and mind control over some sincere people (some used to be sincere but they are probably no more) .
Some people say that even at tha beginning Tony and Sue were not real Christian. I don’t believe that. Sure they were not like most traditional Christians, they were not perfect because no one is, but they were Christian.

I remember about granny Cook (I forget maybe her name, she was the grand mother of Debby Powel), when she left the foundation around 1974/75 ?.
I did talk to her at that time and she told me that she was leaving because Tony and Sue did ask us at the beginning to work in Bakersfield to pay for TV shows but the TV shows were finished and we were still working on the fields, and street witnessing was almost finished at that time.
So I think that the trouble started when we started to work, then the money was coming in the foundation and no one but Tony controlled the finances.
I saw him latter on spending thousand upon thousand of dollars mostly for himself when everyone was working hard (but with joy and fun) to make money for the gospel.

Myself, I came at the foundation September 24, 1972, in Saugus.
I was already 28 years old, and I think it is why maybe I was not like some younger bro and sisters who always were saying «Tony said ...Sue said ..." . That was a mistake. They should have said “Jesus said…”

Anyway we were good Christians in the foundation and I hope with His help we are still good Christians out of the foundation.
But at the time of the foundation, we needed then some more compassion and patience one toward another. But that was Tony influence and his teaching on us about a "hard Gospel"..!.
I still believe in the fear of God, but there is not a special version of the Gospel for people living in or out of the foundation, now and then.
It is the same Word for everyone, for all the true Christians in the world.

So at the foundation there was at that time good things and some not so good. But today it turned unto un cult, like the former "children of God" and there leader who was practicing what was call, in a blasphemous way “holly prostitution”

http://www.xfamily.org/index.php/Category:Sexuality

http://www.xfamily.org/index.php/CNN_Headline_News:_Religious_Sect_Accused_of_Child _Abuse_and_Pornography

Too much power perverts people mind and heart.

Anyway, Tom, keeps writing more about the great things that God did at the beginning and let us keep that topic mostly for that.

(I will update the list of names in a few days. I have some new names but I am very busy these days).
With brotherly love
Marcel

[saved_21570]

Razor,
Good to see you and glad for your response.

There are probably as many versions of how and why, what happened, happened; as there are people who where there. I will concede that I could be wrong about Tony having love for the brethren. It may have been his dedication to Sue, but that is my humble opinion.

He was also a con man. That is the background he was pulled from. Promoter = Con man, in my book.

I certainly do <u>not</u> think Tony and Sue are, or ever where the Two witnesses.

What I am saying; to put it in a metaphor, is that we all entered the desert together. We all saw the Red Sea part, but not all will enter the land of promice.

The ones who enter in will be those that found the tree that makes the bitter waters sweet. The ones who learned to speak to the rock. The ones that, even though, they were bit by serpents found a place in repentance to still see the One who became a curse for us.

And, in the end, the ones that enter in, will be the ones who allowed their flesh to be cut and left behind, at the hill of the foreskins. These are those that <u>know</u> the Lord.

Tony, chose to defend sin, but it was not always so.

As far as Sue goes, I am not going to debate it. As I've said, she has already gone on, and as you said it is not about flesh. We are all intitled to our own opinion, and I have mine, and you have yours.

Great to hear from you. If you were there in the early days, belly up to the bar and give us some memories. I would love to hear of some of the good times you may have had with the bros/sis.

As always, without malice. in Christ our Lord,

Tom

[iasmann]

"I know I don't know you personally," - Carlos

As usual Tony can only produce recent testimonies from people who have never met him and who don't know him personally. They read stolen literature that he has reproduced along with his own ramblings and they think he's great.

What they don't know is that he doesn't practice anything that he preaches because they've never been around him. The few who take up his offer of free room and board never last very long because the hypocrisy is very soon evident.

That's why the testimonies of people actually living at the cult are all from people who have been there 10 or 15 years or more. And there are very few of them. In the last ten years I don't believe there has been one person who came and stayed the entire time.

It used to be that we would get transients who would come and stay for the winter for the three hots and a cot. They didn't mind praying, reading the Bible or attending the services back then. But now it's so bad and there is such a spirit of oppression and depression that even they won't come. They'd rather go hungry and freeze on a park bench than have to endure the hypocrisy of Tony and his backslidden minions, even for a night. A park bench with no future is way less depressing than a future with Tony.

Lots of people have been over to the services recently and they all say the same thing. It's dead and empty.

There is no revival or mighty work of God going on.

Tony prints and distributes his longwinded diatribes for two reasons. One is to retain his tax exempt status and the second is to justify his sins. As has been shown over and over on this website. He and his minions believe his "mighty works" of exposing the Vatican overshadow and justify his sins of rape, child abuse, child molestation, adultery, fornication, homosexuality, grand theft, lying, cheating and even possibly attempted murder when he plotted to blow up Angelo's store in Nashville.

[iasmann]

"I know I don't know you personally," - Carlos

As usual Tony can only produce recent testimonies from people who have never met him and who don't know him personally. They read stolen literature that he has reproduced along with his own ramblings and they think he's great.

What they don't know is that he doesn't practice anything that he preaches because they've never been around him. The few who take up his offer of free room and board never last very long because the hypocrisy is very soon evident.

That's why the testimonies of people actually living at the cult are all from people who have been there 10 or 15 years or more. And there are very few of them. In the last ten years I don't believe there has been one person who came and stayed the entire time.

It used to be that we would get transients who would come and stay for the winter for the three hots and a cot. They didn't mind praying, reading the Bible or attending the services back then. But now it's so bad and there is such a spirit of oppression and depression that even they won't come. They'd rather go hungry and freeze on a park bench than have to endure the hypocrisy of Tony and his backslidden minions, even for a night. A park bench with no future is way less depressing than a future with Tony.

Lots of people have been over to the services recently and they all say the same thing. It's dead and empty.

There is no revival or mighty work of God going on.

Tony prints and distributes his longwinded diatribes for two reasons. One is to retain his tax exempt status and the second is to justify his sins. As has been shown over and over on this website. He and his minions believe his "mighty works" of exposing the Vatican overshadow and justify his sins of rape, child abuse, child molestation, adultery, fornication, homosexuality, grand theft, lying, cheating and even possibly attempted murder when he plotted to blow up Angelo's store in Nashville.

[saved_21570]

Marcel, Great to see your post.
I loved the part about Granny Cook. She was a real sweetheart, and she really knew the Lord. I guess she had a bead on it long before we did.

Nuncio,
To answer yhe question about when souls stopped coming in. It was not all of a sudden. There were a couple of key steps that happened.

!. Shift of importance of prayer, and the prayer chain.
2. Brothers started working and turning over their money to Tony &amp; Sue.
3. This may be overlooked by some but I think it is extemely important. The focus had started on us (those who had moved in to serve the Lord) becoming preachers and ministers. It slowly changed to promoting Tony and Sue as ministers.

As I said, none of this happened quickly and as many others have pointed out, money was a key factor and gained more and more importance. Even in our prayers! We were often told we need to pray for finances.


Anyway, back to Crescent Hts. Did you know that the wake up time wae 9am and 10:15 on Sundays. Our "work" was reading, praying, witnessing, going to services, and ministering to the new souls. We loved our work.

My favorite time to go witnessing was about 3 or 4 o clock. That way you could bring souls back with you to the 8pm services. I have read accounts of our preaching style as "in your face", I would say that is pretty accurate. Make no mistake we preached hell fire and brimstone. No holds barred.

It was a wonderful time. We would head out with an armload of gospel tracts from the Free Tract Society (Simple salvation tracts like "4 things God wants you to know"), sometimes you would be talking to people and quoting sciptures you didn't even know you knew, but it would be just what that person needed to hear.

We had no fear. It didn't matter if you wore a suit, or were a hell's angel, or balck panther. If you were in our path you were wittnessed to. And, if you didn't take a tract, there was a good chance you would be followed down the street preaching as we went.

Then services, Sue was there every night telling another batch to "repent or perish". Again the alter would be full.

After services new converts would be intructed on how to receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. The meal would be served. anyone moving in would be read the rules and it was lights out.

It is lights out for me right now too.

Til next time, Bro. Tom

P.S. Does anyone remember Jane the Baptist?

[christophr19]

um...was she at the ridge, or was she from the saugus era?

[internuncio]

Yeah, the Alamo's were all about hell fire and brimstone and NONE of the love the Lord. It was the LOVE of Jesus, His LOVE for humanity that brought him to earth to suffer and die. The problem with the Alamo cult is the complete and total absence of LOVE. Telling people about hell scares them into saying a sinners prayer but that fear eventually wears off... FEAR is temporary. THE current state of affairs at the Alamo cult are bleak... they don't even have the fear of the Lord they have only the fear of Alamo. I can't wait for him to die. I would LOVE to be a fly on the wall when he stands naked and trembling before the Most High God. That will be the day!

[saved_21570]

nuncio,
Thank you for your post. It shows me how insufficent I can be. Please forgive me if I don't explain things clearly enough. It takes me about an hour and a half just to do the short posts I do.

Yes, we preached hellfire and brimstone and we were long on zeal and short on knowledge, but I can speak for myself, my encounter with God was real and lasting, (even to this day). I thank God for his love and his mercy without it none of us would have a chance.

The fact that we preached hellfire is not bad in itself anymore than preaching God's love. Both are part of the gospel and both can be abused. As we grow in Christ we are supposed to learn when to preach love and when to preach fear (some did and some did'nt). Jude said on some "have compassion" others "save with fear".

Some people have pointed out that Tony has become like David Berg who was head of "The Children of God". Bergs' doctrine was all love. Girls from their "church" would go to bars and pick up guys, even go as far as to have sex with
them, just to get converts. They quoted the scripture, "unto the pure all things are pure."

Tony has had his wives bring him little juvenille girls to fondle while in jail. Who knows what scriptures he usesd? he probably said things like, God says' "OBEY YOUR HUSBAND!" or "WIFES SUBMIT YOURSELVES".

Just like David Berg, Tony quotes scriptures, and just like David Berg he is leading his flock into hell. One preached love, love love, the other preaches wrath, wrath, wrath. Both are liars.

At the beginning of Crescent Hts. Tony wasn't allowed to preasch. He just gave his testimony. He would have been better off sticking with that.

It is getting late and again I don't feel as though I have covered it well enough.

One thing I want to stress. The work itself was truly of God.

Saul was called and annointed by God. The scriptures say that the God touched mens hearts to follow him. Obviously, not all knew when it was time to move on.

If anyone has been damaged by the sin that has engulfed that church, they would do good to remember when God was there. The same Lord, Jesus Christ that saved them then will do the same thing now.

Love in Christ, Tom

[internuncio]

Do you believe that Tony Alamo was ever annointed of God? From what I hear it was his dead wife Susan Alamo who had the annointing... Tony was a shlub who couldn't be trusted to preach with out twisting the Bible, that is why he was only permitted to share his testimony. Susie (supposedly) always knew he would grow up to be a heritic... She was right!

I wonder if Tony ever has visions of his dead wife Susie peeking through the windows of heaven (if she made it to heaven) watching him have sex with those little girls. I wonder if she would have approved of Tony's lusful appetite for young virgin girls. I wonder if she enjoys how he talks lewdly about sex from his pulpit and from his radio broadcast. I wonder if Tony ever gets a moment of clarity and has regrets.

I know you read this message board Tony. Answer me, do you have regrets???? Are you sorry ever, at all, or are you so turned over to a reprobate mind that you actually really believe you are not going right to hell when the angel of death draws his sword and snatches your last breath form your pathetic old body? Your days are numbered Alamo... Your days are numbered! REPENT.

[internuncio]

Do you believe that Tony Alamo was ever annointed of God? From what I hear it was his dead wife Susan Alamo who had the annointing... Tony was a shlub who couldn't be trusted to preach with out twisting the Bible, that is why he was only permitted to share his testimony. Susie (supposedly) always knew he would grow up to be a heritic... She was right!

I wonder if Tony ever has visions of his dead wife Susie peeking through the windows of heaven (if she made it to heaven) watching him have sex with those little girls. I wonder if she would have approved of Tony's lusful appetite for young virgin girls. I wonder if she enjoys how he talks lewdly about sex from his pulpit and from his radio broadcast. I wonder if Tony ever gets a moment of clarity and has regrets.

I know you read this message board Tony. Answer me, do you have regrets???? Are you sorry ever, at all, or are you so turned over to a reprobate mind that you actually really believe you are not going right to hell when the angel of death draws his sword and snatches your last breath form your pathetic old body? Your days are numbered Alamo... Your days are numbered! REPENT.

[until_the_redemption]

Incredible

I can’t believe all of you think Internuncio is someone to be reckoned with.

1. He, She, It, runs people off the board.

2. brings damnable false accusations

3. acts as if He, She, or It, was in the ministry, not!

4. asks stupid questions in one post

5. and then Pretends to Know it All in another post

Hey everyone check this out!

per an encyclopedia:

Internuncio ’s [also heads of Catholic missions] rank below Nuncios, being of the rank of an Envoy or Catholic Priest, with broadly the same task.

A Papal Nuncio (also known as an Apostolic Nuncio) is a permanent diplomatic representative of the Holy See [in other words - the Popes homosexual boyfriend] to a state or international organization, having ambassadorial rank, usually with the ecclesiastical rank of titular bishop or titular homosexual archbishop.

In addition, the Nuncio serves as the liaison between the Holy See (that’s the Homosexual Pope) and the Catholic Church, supervising the diocesan episcopate a conference of bishops which has its own chairman, usually the highest ranking (arch)bishop, especially if his seat carries the title of primate and/or he or it, has -individually- been created a cardinal) and has an important role in the selection of Catholic homosexual bishops.

Internuncio a homosexual psycho analyst playing with your minds

Gal 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

[phahrrrt_detector]

UH-OH!
>>WHEW<< UTR
CAN U PLEEZE NOT POST UP-WIND?
ITS SUCH A STINKIN BUMMER!

[raining]

this board is not about Internuncio!

Nuncio has done a good job of exposing toni alamo for the perverted child raping pedophile, polygamy practicing, false prophet that he is!


until_the_redemption, You're just as bad as your leader,Toni Alamo, because you defend his deeds! "Guilty by Association"

[internuncio]

INTERNUNCIO
Main Entry: in·ter·nun·cio
Pronunciation: "in-t&amp;r-'n&amp;n(t)-sE-"O, -'nun(t)-
Function: noun
Etymology: Italian internunzio, from Latin internuntius, internuncius, from inter- + nuntius, nuncius messenger
Date: 1641
1 : a messenger between two parties : GO-BETWEEN

[christophr19]

Ok nunci, got that part. No big deal, cool name.
I do have a question though, what two parties are you going between?
us? and...??

[internuncio]

I am not going between you and anyone.... I consider myself more of a messenger to Tony Alamo. I bring him a grave warning.

[christophr19]

Oooooh! you a bit snappy sometimes.

[internuncio]

Yeah Chris I am... Better than being a spineless child rapist like our good friend Tony (or should I say, Teeny Tiny) Alamo!

[raining]

nunico
glad you keep exposing toni alamo for the child rapist pedophile, polygamy practicing pervert, false prophet

[christophr19]

tiny is not my friend, and if he is yours....well, i could care less. I would rather not continue a conversation with someone who refuses to say who they are. You say that you are doing it; so that tiny's followers can't rail against you, but to me that is bogus. I believe you are doing it, so that you can be snappy, rude, cutting, and sometimes...basically a b/tch, without anyone getting angry and calling the real you out. Enough about that; I know that you are going to probably rail against me, and make a big fuss about how evil I am, and so on and such....whatever. What is the worst you can do? Put me on report?...Take away my bucks?...call me names, and say how evil I am?

About the board in general....Y'all keep yelling and making a big fuss about the pedophile and his cult; see where it gets you. Even if you were able-by your efforts-to get tiny inprisoned, what good what it do? His followers you are trying to free....DON'T WANT to be free. Freedom is not something you can give another person; I am free because I choose to be...no other reason! Even if I was to be thrown in the deepest dungeon and left forever; I would still have freedom. I am and will always be free, because I choose it.

[hollydolly]

right on chris..........those stupid <font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font> that call themselves wives of a prophet are nothing but spinless whores!

[hollydolly]

i know for a damn fact that alamo has complete control over what is posted on this board, jeanette orlando for one has always been a competitive and contentious person from day one thats just her nature........tony probably doesn't even allow her to read this message board anymore because she will get so wound up and just have to say something back! hahah what ever happened to that scripture about being a free moral agent jeannette? oh thats right only the sinners are free right? where is that in the bible? lololol........you're just a rat in a cage darlin and its all in vain everything you go through and have endured in the name of the lord......its all in vain! wake up or better yet GROW UP!

[internuncio]

Another thread ruined by the cousins.
Way to go Holly and Christopher!
I bet your parents are proud!
You sure you two aren't working for Tony?
Truthfully, when I see something posted by either of you I try my best to avoid it and not read it... you RUIN every intelligent thread on this board.
Waaaa Boo Hoo Christopher Curry doesn't like that I wont tell him my name.
Grow a weiner dude! You are pathetic!
And Holly Jeannette could care less about you. She is too busy on her knees for her old shriveled husband.

[raining]

this board is not about Internuncio!

This board is not only to expose the evil deeds of "world pastor" toni (tony) alamo - but also to serve as a warning for anyone who wants to know what really goes on inside his foundation!

Toni is a con man and tries to present to the world an image of him as a spokesman for God. Read these posts on this site and you will learn how perverted Toni Alamo really is! Most posts are from ex-members who have suffered years of abuse while living inside toni alamo's foundation!

[hollydolly]

that was intelligent nuncio.......lol... so why the hell are you on this board if its not for caring? i'm sure you're right though about jeannette not giving a <font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font> but isn't that besides the point? i'm trying to get some reaction some connection to these lost people that use to be my only friends when i was young.........whats your stand here? why do you care? do you think every thread should say PEDOPHILE! RAPIST! CULT LEADER!.......and how pathetic r u to use our names and our relationship to one another against us when you are the one with no dick? you hide behind a computer because you know damn well if we knew who you were you would have less credibility than chris and I! lolol............SHUT IT!

[hollydolly]

nuncio was never apart of the church!..........duh! why does this person keep asking "saved" all those questions that anyone who was there already knows the answers to? look back on previous posts chris this idiot was never there has no authority on the subject and is probably just some nerd trying to get a good story for a book that nobody will ever want to publish because he will never have the full story! lolol you discredit all that "the kids" have to say? well maybe the way we act on this board should tell you something you moron! yes we learned the truth but we also learned alot of other things that can <font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font> with your head! don't speak to me anymore i have nothing more to say to you!

[chevelle]

Holly....Do you realize how ridiculous and immature you are? Do you think Nucio or anyone else cares about your ranting? I don't think you are capable of intelligent conversation.

[hollydolly]

then why don't you call me? i'd be more than happy to chat!whats your email? i'll send my number. aren't you one of alamo's wives? oh sorry you're not allowed to make phone calls........and honestly you are the idiot to think that my behavior on this board has anything to do with my life or my brain! lol and i will continue to rant!

[hollydolly]

i only keep people like you and nuncio on this board for my entertainment! do you think i come here to read all the testimonies? and yes i'm well aware of how people must perceive me on this board its like asking your bar buddies to give their opinion of you........you don't know me darlin you only know how i like to play!

[hollydolly]

oh and by the way.....acting imature and ridiculous is just that "acting" which i'm quite good at i have references! lol anyway those actions require simple behavior change you on the other hand.......well you can't fix stupid! lolololol go take an iq test sweetheart and get back to me!

[chevelle]

Well Holly darlin'...Are you trying to convince yourself that you are intelligent? Honey, don't waste any more of your time. Go down to wal-mart and buy yourself another bottle of bleach for your hair...that way you can keep useing that "dumb blonde" stereotype to behave the way you do.

[hollydolly]

why wouldn't it just be easier for you to take an iq test online? you can email the results and i'll do the same ok? lets end this pety argument and sweety the dumb blonde jokes are so old and boring comeon!

[hollydolly]

where did u go? did you get caught being on the puter by your master? probably being beat as i type.........poor thing

[chevelle]

An I.Q. test huh? well if they have spelling on the test...you better watch it. "petty" is not pety. the dumb blonde statement was not a joke.

[habadasher]

There goes another thread!!

[chevelle]

Holly, as for your statement about "my Master"... uh no....just because I didn't respond to your foolishness right away does not mean I have a "master". I am busy doing other things. I think you got the point though. The bottomline is: most of what you say on this board does not make sense. It is all about your "entertainment". Why don't you go and take care of your girls and spend some quality time with them.

[hollydolly]

i have plenty of time to spend with my children seeing i don't work because i'm married to a very smart and wealthy man. you could always ask him if we have intellectual conversations but i assume you will think i'm just a trophy wife because you can't grasp in your small brain that an attractive blonde has anything to say! common mistake my dear.......i simply don't want or care what anyone on this board thinks......i don't care about capitalization either let alone spelling.......i'm not trying! you aren't worth my intellectual discussions........just having fun with you before i have you removed from this website.........lololol

[christophr19]

Within every explanation, there is an apology.

I don't really see the need to retaliate to another of the inane comments and denegrations that nuncia likes to spread(among other things); and besides...Cuz said it just fine.
do you really not have any better matieral, than to talk smack about cousins who grew up together and became true friends? Or is it that you can't understand it; since you haven't ever experienced such a friendship in your life...? I am just asking here.
Some on this board behave and communicate soo...well, uniformly; and criticize and come against anyone who doesn't wear their uniform.
We Talk(ad naseum)about the man, his actions, lies, sins, thoughts, well everything from his soup(soul) to his nuts. I understand this board is about a pedophile; and what he does to innocents must be stopped, and the goal of the board is honourable and just. But consider this, if you will. Some will post with just a slightly toned down version of the attitude that was so popular in the cult..i mean church...wait, NO I really mean Cult; that attitude of "let me tell you how it is! you better get with the program, or I will give you a public rebuke, and put you on report, and GOD will give the poX in your colon"!!! Lucifer and the saints forbid, a person should go off topic, and talk about something besides pedophilia and cultist behaviour and thinking! Have many of you not noticed how so many of the people that used to come on here stopped? Many of them were kids who were trying to talk to each other about their lives; but the talk and the attitudes got so thick and well...reminiscent of the cult, that they left. You are all gone from the cult, what is the main thing you focus on?
I am not saying that we shouldn't shout it from the rooftops until tiny is stopped; I am just asking: "why are some rebuking others and telling them what they can and can't talk about"?
Just because it isn't what you think, doesn't make it wrong and evil. And before someone says "we line you up with the BOOK, and what I read tells me your wrong". That is just it, you are reading it the way you want, and adding your interpretation.
We are not in the cult anymore, stop telling each other what to think, speak, do, etc; work out your own ride to the great service in the sky, and stop worrying whether I have a ride or not. Who are you to tell me, whether I am bad or good; judge yourself.

[smitty]

I've got to agree with you on this one Chris..The title of this thread is "Remembrances" Like Tom A. has been doing, it's good to look back at the things that brought us together instead of stirring up things that are driving people apart.I look back and wish that I knew the kids better then. As a single Bro. I mainly tried to steer clear of anything that could get me into trouble (meaning anything involving sisters, married couples, and kids.) I had enough work staying off report as it was. (and the main reason I went on Tree Crew)

[cmingus]

... I'm not sure about blog protocols, but isn't there a fair way of diverting off-topic postings to another thread. Why should anyone have to read through someones personal argument to find what they're looking for?
Keep posting Tom A. - I like hearing about the Foundation 'back in the day' Smitty, you must have a pile of stories from Tree Crew you can spill for us. I wish Bill L. would post more, his recollections are pretty colorful.

[hollydolly]

ya people should have to weed through and find what they want........whats the big deal? we have to weed through too believe me! its a damn message board where people say what they feel when they feel it...we all have connection to the main issue so why judge? we are not in the church anymore this is real life why don't you look on the other message boards of factnet and see if its any different.

[until_the_redemption]

remember hearing from people, I'm sure you do.

Dear Pastor Alamo's Ministry

I found your newsletter and message about "Dry Bones" at work.
Someone had dropped it on the stairs of the apartment complex where I work. I picked it up and began to read it. I enjoyed everything about it.

I have been to so many ministries, trying to find a place where God wanted to use me, but most of them are not teaching the true Word of God, so now I stay home, read and study God's Word, until God directs my steps to where He wants me to be. I am so hurt inside because ministers know God's Word, but they won't teach the truth. Most of them feel if they teach the truth, they will lose money, and their flock.


The reason for this letter is, I want to know if you have a church in the Houston, Texas are and. I want to receive your newsletters.
Pray for me, because I am going through many problems now, and I know God will bring me out. May God bless you for standing for God's Ward.

your sister in Christ,
S.P.
Houston, Texas

[christophr19]

Not that it matters, but I think that I have an inkling of who nutsak...i mean nuncia is. from her speech and manner, it sounds to me, alot like Nikki rod-rottenass. Don't really know for sure, but don't really care either. She was a miserable turd in the cult; and if it is her....still one today. And if I am wrong, and it is not her....well, that doesn't matter either; because nutsia isn't going to come out of the closet...I mean, out from behind her alter-boy name.

[smitty]

How Sad!!Tom A. writes what it was like back when things were on fire and the best that "Untill" can do is reprint an old letter.Don't you have any memories of your own? But then I guess you were never at Crescent Heights or early Saugus, so you never saw how far things have fallen.

[iasmann]

Yeah, as usual a letter from someone who never met Tony. And never spent anytime in the cult.

[habadasher]

I remember getting R.G.B.'s from those Wenchell pastrys set out in early Saugus. Man, and the line to use the honey bucket was just too long sometimes I could'nt hold it and had to run down to the shack by the creek! I learned not to eat so many fast!!!

[habadasher]

Those delicious potato chip casaroles were a hit too! Bread picking, potato peeling, pickup cleaning, dish washing, oh those were the times! We were thankful to The Lord thru it all. Or most of us were?!!

[cmingus]

.....to this day I can't look at a brussel sprout without thinking of the Foundation ( and I can't bring myself to eat them either ) However, I did develop a taste for 'regrounds', and rewarmed pattymelts and burritoes. There's something special about a rewarmed pattymelt that's squished flat......numnumnum....

[habadasher]

Oh yes!! We use to call 'regrounds' red eye. I remember one time at the Saugus church #1 I walked out to the back to roll a bugler cigerette and there was Greg Howard munching down reground reused coffee. He was actually eating the reground coffee!! He had been up severl nights I think, he said they were great to help stay awake. I just could'nt do it though. I ask my parents one time to send me a big jar of instant coffee from Iowa. I can't imagine what they thought, but anyway, I got that coffee finally and I was a big hit with the brothers. I had so many cups of coffee I got real wired! I was in the prayer room, I felt I needed to do some serious repenting for drinking all that coffee. If you had tailor made cigerettes you seem to be a step above the bugler smokers. Those buttes, if you had a rolling paper, were a score! Papers were always running out before one could smoke the whole can of bug. And you rolled them real skinny cause it had to last you. You better not ask a guest for a cigertte cause that was a bad testimony and you would get wrote up! Every time I see a ash tray like in front of wally World I think to myself, man, those are some good looking buttes, but I don't pick them up. Ha Ha I now only smoke fine cigars from the Dominican Republic. Have I moved up?? I don't know!??

[habadasher]

I remember one bro. coming off a cleanse fast on some kind of hot spicy food. It almost did him in. Real scary. I think it was Johnny Y.

[christophr19]

Papers....papers....anyone got any papers...I gots to roll up a dooby snack and I can't find any papers! Oh well, I guess I can always just eat it, like reground-reused coffee grounds(retch! that is soo disgusting!); no thanks, I would rather go without the smoke.
coffee is an addictive poison already; I can't imagine why someone would ever think it was necessary and or, a good idea to put that twice potent poison into their temple, so that they could stay up several days to do "Gods work". What a line they fed you young, impressionable, and zealous BC's!
My question would be, if the Spirit was so strong, why did it not ever speak to anyone to not do such harmful things? I hear all these stories about how powerful the Spirit was in those days, but also I hear MORE stories of extremely harsh and worse than substandard living conditions that the "kids" had to go through. Now I am sure that I will probably get flak for what I am saying; but that is to be expected. Typically, the person who asks the common sense questions, does get villified. I am not calling into question the beliefs, faith, zeal, etc that the "kids" had; in fact, I think it was amazing and powerful, the brothers and Sisters were the legs of the ministry. I just don't ever see Jesus asking his friends to live under such gross and disgusting conditions while he slept on silk and ate gourmet....Y'all KNOW(if you will be honest with yourselves)that tiny and Susan did live 100x better than the rest of you.
I hear people say: "it was really rough, but it was soo worth it because we cared about doing "the Father's work"(a masonic term).
Is it perhaps, really just a way of justifying why you allowed someone to subject you to living conditions that you wouldn't force your dog to live under?
When y'all were young and disallusioned with the system(a perfectly healthy way to view a corrupt and controlled system of money and greed)a couple of people come along, offer a helping hand, show some compassion, and offer you a way of life that is the complete opposite of the system of money(in reality, what they taught you was nothing more than the tribal way of life. where money has no value, and everyone is in it together - thus creating one big family). They taught you(only some)the ideas and beliefs that Jesus held(common sense); and of course once you were delivered from the oppressive nightmare that was the secular and humanistic way of living, you wanted to tell everyone else. So this phenomenon spread like wildfire(just as it did in Jesus' day). Why did it stop working? Because they put the focus back on Money, and stopped living the way of the peaceful warrior who seeks to posess nothing except peace, joy, and compassion.

[no_stoppin_me]

We must also remember that back in "those days" communal or hippie-style living was the norm and was very much accepted.

People were joining cults, communes (not just the Alamo cult) in record numbers. It was a way of "finding themselves" or a way of getting out of the "system" that they hated so much.

It was a different time in our country. I do not believe that this same thing would happen today like it happened all those years ago. Not to say that people dont get hoodwinked into cults anymore, just that it happens in a different way.

[hollydolly]

my mother wasn't a hippie

[no_stoppin_me]

I don't recall calling your mother a hippie. Of course what I posted does not apply to ALL those who joined the cult.

Don't take everything so personal, Holly.

[habadasher]

I look back on that stuff and its funny to me. Get off it 19. This thread is about rememberances, remember???

[christophr19]

ooh wow, did I call it, or what!
I knew that you(habadasher, among others)would more than likely get offended and a$$-hurt, because you would take what I said defensively. All I did was ask some common sense questions, that perhaps y'all were too invovled(caught up in the emotion and grand idea of the greatest cause)and too close to step back and ask yourselves.
I find it almost funny, that those who get ****y and want to retaliate against my posts; never answer or adress what I say. Instead they just toss insults and attitude. Is it that you can't comprehend what I post, or are you not able to respond with anything remotely intelligent and thought out?
Oh well, you are worth a chuckle, at least. Thanks for making me laugh a little.

[habadasher]

I do not answer endless babbling. You just love to contend don't you! You , common sense?? What a joke!! Now that is funny!! You can sure call em, your something else. I do not find you intelligent in the least. In fact, I do not like to read any of your posts. This thread is about rememberances, can you understand that? You just love to contend with any body that does not agree with your Pcyco Babble. You love it! Don't ask me any of your stupid questions! If I had my choice I would love it if you would not communicate with me at all. Plainly, I do not care for you or your words 19. I am sure the feeling is mutual so lets just end it,,, again. I really do hate striving with you and your kind!

[habadasher]

Good job 19 , you are ruining another thread. But, I guess thats just you. I am done with this,,,again. Thanks

[internuncio]

The best thing to do is completely and totally ignore the "cousins dim" (witted). If brains were dynamite the two of them, combined, would not have enough to blow their respective noses. Feel bad, Christopher is actually a parent to a child in whom he will no doubt influence.

And lastly, FOR THE RECORD... I am not Nikki Rodriguez. I don't want her, or her children, who are in Alamo's cult (and even in his home) to suffer because of a false accusation like that. Look back on all of Nikki's posts. Even a fool like Christopher Curry should be able to recognize that Nikki Rodriguez was never as well written as I am! (yeah, I agree, that was a little egotistical)

Nuncio http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/biggrin.gif

[hollydolly]

i wasn't taking any offense i was simply stating that she wasn't a hippie and she was there. infact my mother gave up quite a bit of material things and went and lived in one of those chicken huts in saugus.

nuncio-why call people stupid and dim just because they come on here and talk about what you don't want to hear? all you want to do is hear about the old times long before chris and i were born and we don't attack you for that........seriously lets take an iq test.........why is it that you won't? oh and incase anyone thinks we didn't get a good education on the ridge they would be dead wrong when i entered highschool in a public school in nevada i was ahead of them and would have skipped a grade except for some bible credits they wouldn't count as literature. i was an honor roll student my whole life on that ridge and as i recall i was the first kid to get permission to have a pet by papa perv because of how good my grades were.........nuncio........eat me!

[no_stoppin_me]

Holly, I have gone back and read through some of the posts by Nuncio and I really dont get where he/she only wants to talk about old times long before you and Chris were born. I do see that on the thread called "Rememberances", that they asked some questions of Tom A. No harm done that I can see.

Personally, I could care less what the "old timers" think happened long ago. The truth is that they got duped into joining a cult (including your mother). They sat around for years and watched (or participated in)children getting beat and did nothing, thinking it was right, etc. etc. Then even took it to another level and began "smiting" each other.

You should be proud of yourself that you were so ahead in the education department when you left the cult. Most of the "kids" were. There was no choice but to get good grades, otherwise they would have to use the "board of education" Isn't that right?

[hollydolly]

i was never beaten or threatend into getting good grades ever.and believe me there were kids in my class that weren't doing so well and those like micah groulx that were. {smart kid}. we had choices in other words.

[hollydolly]

ya you're right about being duped into a cult but reguardless my mother thanks God for it to this day because otherwise she feels she would have never come to salvation.

[cmingus]

....reading through Marcel's name list is waking up a lot of memories for me. Me and another brother were doing night watch ( about 2 am ) at Saugus#3.
Some may remember that in the living room, there was a small wood stove. The brother was sitting in front of the stove and trying his best to stay awake - but he kept nodding out. I was wide awake, so I thought I'd let him catch a few zzz.
Suddenly the stack on the stove came loose and fell forward landing between his feet, lol . He was suddenly wide awake - we both took it as a sign from the Lord. The soot filling the air seemed to underline the fact that the Lord meant business.

[habadasher]

Those are great old stories! Thankyou! There are alot of good,funny rememberances that I personally find great to listen too. I {speaking for myself] was there to serve the Lord. If it had not been for the early church and the dedication of the brothers and sisters that were there I probably would be dead or very lost. I am thankful to the Lord and for the ones who were truly called by THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY! I thank the Lord for the old timers who were there as unto the Lord.

[saved_21570]

Habadasher, cmingus,and redeemed-
Thanks for sharing. I laughed until I cried. Good memories for sure.I needed that comic relief after my long drive home. ( took my family to disney for the 4th )

Tom

[cmingus]

....I could probably entitle this memory as 'It seemed like a good idea at the time'. Some of us worked at various trades out of the mansion north of the boulevard.
I was on a painting crew with 2 other bros and we convinced the owner of a high-end hair salon that we could recoat his 20 ft ceiling for the best price in Beverley Hills. ( the estimate was lowballed, and as I recall it didn't even cover the full price of materials )
After the salon was closed for the night we started setting up for the job. We soon realized we were in trouble - we had one 10 ft folding ladder, three roller poles - none of the poles could reach the ceiling from the floor. The bro in charge wasn't easily discouraged and said " don't worry, the Lord'll cover it." Our solution was to rig two extension poles together - the shortest and lightest bro (me) would stand at the top of the ladder and roll out the ceiling. Another bro held the flimsy ladder steady, while the third bro guided the roller into the 5 gallon pail that was way out in front of the ladder. After the roller was loaded, it was all I could do to swing it up to the ceiling. The long pole would flex about 2ft this way and that. By midnight, we were praying for a little divine intervention. We painted through the night until the owner showed up about 8am. He didn't look too pleased. We were so overtired that we never noticed the ceiling was showing 3 different shades of white. It was a humbling lesson for all of us, but we pulled together and sure got in a lot of extra prayer that night.

[christophr19]

Just want to address some of the posts, that were written while I was gone spending time with my wonderful wife and child; dont worry nunci, and habs, I will address your comments too.
First I have a question about this...."Some may remember that in the living room, there was a small wood stove. The brother was sitting in front of the stove and trying his best to stay awake - but he kept nodding out. I was wide awake, so I thought I'd let him catch a few zzz.
Suddenly the stack on the stove came loose and fell forward landing between his feet, lol . He was suddenly wide awake - we both took it as a sign from the Lord. The soot filling the air seemed to underline the fact that the Lord meant business.".....
Meant business?....what was HE going to do to the tired brother?...Why would God be displeased with one of His faithful children who slept because he was exhausted? Listen I am not trying to stir up contention, I just don't understand how this type of behavior(what the bro's and Sis' endured at the hands of tiny, "for the Ministry")was put up with for soo long. If you were free in Jesus, and free indeed, than why did you all let yourselves be in bondage to tiny and sue's unbalanced life style? There are many wonderful stories about the kindness, compassion, love, joy, etc of the Bro's and Sis' but I all remember(story wise) about ta and suesie, was how they separated themselves from the "kids" on just about every level. They lived lavishly, while the kids ate garbage; they were driven around, had bodyguards, lived in a mansion, wore silk and jewels, etc; while the kids wore patched rags, slept shoulder to shoulder in hovels, piled into nearly broken down vehicles with no AC in the LA summers, and did it all with a smile because they were doing it for God. Didn't any of the kids line tony and sue up with Jesus' testimony?? Many of the adults in the cult tell the kids who were born there that; we just wouldn't understand, and that things were different back then. What is so hard to understand? Maybe we don't understand, because it doesn't make sense. We were taught not to "cast our pearls before swine", and "Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?" When in fact....Isn't that what the bros &amp; Sis' did by giving their all to tony???

[christophr19]

Now, on to nunci:
Hahaa! thanks for the vote of extreme non-confidence; if you think that I am doing such a horrible job, that means I am having better success than I thought. I don't know how you would handle the situations in my little family's life, nor do I care how you would; but I wouldn't wish that on you, even if I didn't like you.
I REALLY ask you questions, and often look to see if you will answer them; but typically you get caught up in how I phrase my words and the tone of my typing, and never seem to get past there. Oh well, guess you can't get through to everybody.

Habs:
I don't really know what else to say, except to refer to my older post----"All I did was ask some common sense questions, that perhaps y'all were too invovled(caught up in the emotion and grand idea of the greatest cause)and too close to step back and ask yourselves.
I find it almost funny, that those who get ****y and want to retaliate against my posts; never answer or adress what I say. Instead they just toss insults and attitude. Is it that you can't comprehend what I post, or are you not able to respond with anything remotely intelligent and thought out? ----and to say that they were just questions from somebody who grew up watching the Bro's &amp; Sis' and not understanding why they took such abuse in the name of God, when the Creator is against people treating even their animals with so little kindness.
Answer, or don't. But don't yell at me because I ask y'all questions that make you uncomfortable. You were people doing what you THOUGHT was right, not supermen who couldn't make mistakes.

[christophr19]

one small correction:
"You were people doing what you THOUGHT was right"....should be: "you were people doing what you were TOLD was right".

[until_the_redemption]

remember witnessing by passing out the literature and the many responses you personally received that encouraged you to continue on until the end?

dated: 4-25-06

Early this morning I was rushing to work and a young fellow handed me your newsletter “Earthquake” while saying these words “Praise your Lord Jesus Christ”

At first I was reluctant but he said, “Jesus will never be too busy for you, take out some time and read this newsletter”
I took the letter and told him to have a blessed day.

During my lunch break I read it over and was so astonished in how Spiritual I felt when I was done reading. It was like an intervention, I was in a stat of total bliss and calmness.
I want to send great thanks to Tony Alamo Christian Ministries for letting me be apart of this wonderful newsletter. Please send me more.
Thank you
Tania
Brooklyn, NY

[smitty]

We didn't wittness by passing out literature. We wittnessed by TALKING to people about the Gospel, the tracts (as I remember them)only said "Repent of your sins, Jesus is coming Soon" "Tony and Susan Alamo Christian Foundation" "13136 Sierra Hwy, Saugus Calif."
When Tony started adding his words the interest in being wittnessed to went WAY down!! BTW anybody remember the "Turff Wars" we had w/ the Hare Kkishnas and the Moonies on Hollywood Bvld.?

[smitty]

The times that meant the most to me were spent w/ my Bros. &amp; Sisters. I really cannot remember anything like that when spent around Tony or Susan.

Anybody out there on Tree Crew and spent time out on the Mescalero Reservation near Ruiodoso NM?

[habadasher]

I remember finding myself standing in a cotton field with half mile rows hoeing and spacing. I did not even have a hat. We had been trained by the mexican boss how to do this. At the end of a very long and hot day we would load up in the GORDO truck with the stanley steamer. There would be about 50 or so brothers packed in there like sardines. Gordo [being a truck made I think in the 50's] was very slow and would breakdown alot. We would head all the way back to Saugus and do it again the next day! One time it broke down and we were just sitting along side the road and a highway patrolman pulled over. It was night and very dark. We were very quite as the officer talk to the driver. He did'nt know there was about 50 broes. in the back of the enclosed GORDO untill he shined his flashlight in there and saw all those setts of tired eyes stairing back at him. He did'nt know what to think! After working hoeing etc. for weeks we really scored cause Tony showed up with a big wad of one dollar bills!!! He gave people there dollar personally! Man, we were riding high on the hog. We got to stop at a store to spend our hard earned dollar for whatever we wanted!!! I kept my personal hoe sharp as a razor with a file. I ended up one day with heatstroke not knowing what was going on and had to take a day off. We started taking salt tablets to help with this problem. Water was at the end of the row. Needless to say I became a very good hoer!

[iasmann]

Whoopee, More responses from people who never met Tony or spent any time around his cultic followers.

There are very few Christians who get his ramblings and are impressed. Usually they are people who don't know the Bible very well. They are impressed by all the scripture quotations.

Then there are even fewer who actually go to one of the cult meetings. Most never come back because they can feel the satanic oppressive spirit that is in the air there. But there is a very small number of the few who return a couple more times before they too are permanently turned off.

Despite distributing millions of birdcage liners offering free room and board and money. No one stays. Not even the bums who used to like to spend the winter there. They'd rather freeze and starve than to be around Alamo and his minions.

Still maybe things are picking up. I may be wrong but I think that's the first response we've seen dated this year and it was only April when it came in. That's not bad. At that rate he'll probably get three or 4 responses this year.

Of course a lot of these responders are crackpots. They recognize the spirit of crackpottery in Tony's rants. I remember one lady who used to request tracts. We'd send her a box and they'd all be gone in a few days and she wanted more. Of course we all got rebuked for being weasels with no zeal for God. She was getting out more tracts than we were.

Tony had someone go meet her. It turned out that she would get a box of tracts and go set the whole box on the doorstep of the local Kingdom Hall at night when no one was around. Her responses were way better than that two and a half month old one that they just posted.

LOL - Just because someone sends a flowery letter to Tony doesn't mean they are sane. In fact I'd say it's a very good sign that their mental health is questionable.

[habadasher]

Smitty, I was in N.M., Mescalaro on the tree crew. That was some pretty country. I never camped there though. I stayed at the Fox Cave motel place. There was about sometimes 15 to 20 people a unit. Across the highway I remember a pretty good raging creek. In fact, I remember planting trees next to you for a while. We talked alot about the cival war. I remember J. Kenworthy was rubbing H. peroxide in his hair trying to get it to lighten up. It slowed down planting because of no rain and Sherman Funmaker and I got a job at the golf course [INN OF THE MOUNTAIN GODS} taking care of the greens. When it was raining it seemed to start every day around 3:00 p.m. and last awhile then stop. The mornings were freezing and by noon it wouls usually warm up. I have some good memories of that place and the brothers who worked so hard there.

[rich_hydell]

habaasher...i try very hard not to post on this board but ..the bakes story is priceless ..i tell these stories to my wifes family ..with all the mexican hub bub ... to let them know how hard they ..work . i worked in oxnard with the first crew ..norman kaffen was their also ...not only was the work hard but ..we would all stop for lunch and we ate what we called glue sandwiches ..by the time 1 oclock came around with the heat the one slice american cheese turned to glue ...ha but the mecacans would break out this tin sheet licht a fire and sit their with refried beens . bur etos .. etc .. iwoul sit their doing everything i could do to not murmer......the first time i was in bakes i had to hoe in those half mile rows in the insane heat .. well i got half way down ,,turned around went to the start of the row .were rick wolf was waiting as the crew boos .. i took my hoe and threw it to the ground and said thats it man this is nuts .. their is no way im goung back out their .. well after a tem min serman from rick ..needless to say i went back out .. after about two months of this i got my buddy jim griffen who was the crew boss of the sisters ,, to please get me out of here ... only to find out the sisters were doind sticks .. lopping roses etc ...from the frying pan into the fire ....the bros lived on the bus i hated sleepin in those little seats ..it got so cold at night ....any way ..as bob hope says thanks for the memories .....

[habadasher]

Oh yes Rich, I remember those glue sandwiches!!! Remember Rick Wolf's famous call, LINE UP!!!! That was so funny what you wrote.

[no_stoppin_me]

Since we are recalling "memories"...I have one of my own...

One time in Dyer we got this big dono of those pre-made sandwiches that they sell in vending machines. You know the kind...Anyway, I was sitting outside at the little black cement tables &amp; chairs with someone's "visiting" mother. I can't recall who it was, but anway....I took a big bite of the sandwich (it was ham &amp; cheese). I happened to look down and to my surprise was Half of a white wiggling worm!!! I figured out quickly where the other half of the worm was!!!

I quickly excused myself so as not to draw attention to myself. We wouldnt want to let the "guests" know that such a thing happened to the children of God.

Needless to say to this day, I have never chosen the sandwiches out of the vending machine.

OHHHH, the memories!!!

[habadasher]

I remember Susan A. saying someday the things you will remember will be the hard times. I think she was right!!

[rich_hydell]

yea she could be a smart a$$ ...lol ...but thankfully the brothers and sisters we did these crazy things with have a sence of humer and we can strangly look back shaking our heads with a bit of a smile.....

[habadasher]

Thats right Rich!

[cmingus]

....yeah old 'Gordo'...I think it was a 51 Fargo 2 ton stakebed, converted into a homemade plywood moving van (sort of). I think they called it the Sranley Steamer because it would overheat all the time. Sanford rigged up a hose and funnel that came through the dash and fed directly into the rad - anyone sitting on the passenger side was kept busy pouring water down the funnel so the rad wouldn't run dry. If I remember right, Crab rigged Gordo with two rads in tandem.
As one poster said, 'hippie lifestyle' was accepted by most of us. Although we did without a lot conveniences, I didn't feel all that hard done by. It made a lot of us more resourceful and even thankful when we would occasionaly get a little cash, or a box of treats from parents etc.
I remember a few bros planting watermelon seeds in the cotton in Bakes. They timed it so they could pick the melons before cotton harvest.

[smitty]

Habadasher...I think that was in '80 the first year I was on Tree Crew. Every year after that there was a big camp of Bros. up in the woods on the reservation. One year Herb DePuy came out and was mightly bummed out 'cus he didn't have a tent. Anyways, I saw all these dead pole pines, so we cut them down and lashed them together w/ bailing wire to form a geodedsic dome (I used an illustration from an ols Mother Earth News someone had) Somebody found an old weather baloon so Herb got the top half and the finder got the bottom half. We took the top and covered the dome and then finished off w/ pine bough and short logs to give it a "hut" look. When It was done we dubbed it "Herbie's Hawaiian Hamburger Hut". At the same camp Mike Borek and Martin Howard (I think ) built a small shed with a makeshift set of weights outside to use as a gym. It's amazing what we built out there (Thank god for my old Boy Scout manual!!)

[smitty]

At the same job a few bro's would supplement their $$ by picking up elk antlers to sell in town. Anyways, Pat Gunnip and John Kolbek went out to find this valley that was rumored to be filled w/them. The afternoon got later and turned into night. We got worried and sent teams off into to woods to find them. The two of them finally got back to camp around midnight. On their way out they ran into a mother bear and her cubs. The bear charged and each one of them climbed up the nearest pine. The momma bear climbed after them partway and then went back to her cubs. They both stayed put up in their respective tree for many hours before climbing down and then got lost in the dark before finally getting back to camp.

[hollydolly]

habadsh-----why do you tell me off for what i want to say?.....its all you oc's trying to control the bc's all over again..........not going to happen......reality check darlin we are adults now!

[hollydolly]

gnarls barkly........crazy.......listen to it biatches!

[rich_hydell]

does any one remember when i think it was sweat who drove off with fred newton in the andy gump ,, or when ogle put red pepper juice all over him because he thought the vitimen c would help his skin .. but when i drove up to collect the cheaks ,he was out in the cold night walking back and forth pleading the blood of jesus .. he was on fire...and the showers at saugus ten shower heads but they could never be used becausr they were built out of code ...and is their any one who cant stand tomy scarello .. once he was so proud he found all these new shoes for the brothers but when he took them out of the box and lined them up tony says yea but their all left feet ....tommy looked at tony with stright face and says well tony i bet tomorrow thell throw out the right .....once me and jim griff broke down at the top of the grapvine in a bus we were left their for three days we hade no money so we went to a restruant and beged for a cup of coffie .. the people felt so sory for us they fed us everyday .. so randy howell comes up, while he is working on it i say to jim come the keys are in his car so we took their car and went back to saugus ....

[rich_hydell]

heres another bill levy talked on another post about when the 25cent pants were scratched ..we were told what do they need pants for services for .. all they do is work ,they hardley even go any more so, as my buddy bill said ..we then proceded to pick up the masters clothes...but what i wanted to add was bill was in a crash with i belive the green van full with bros and sistas ... well he was always blamed for it and i knew it weighed very heavy on his heart because he knew it was not his falt...so about a week before this the brother who worked on it came to me with tears in his eyes .. i believe jim jackson ,saying he always knew it was his falt he had worked on the breaks and did not double ck it so when he heard bill crashed it kept on his heart to tell the truth ... well bill and i are in a show room in l.a. and i needed to call tony about some clothes for the alamo and i said to bill ok im going to clear this up once and for all .. so i told tony .bill had a look of relief on his face as he leand foward to hear ,,,so after im done i look at bill with this grin and he says rich what did he say and i said u want to know what he said,,, so i screamed in his face ... BILL >>> YOUR A LIAR OK >> YOUR A LIAR>>>we both looked at each other and almost fell on the floor laughing so hard ....when u were in a position like bill and me well you just had to laugh ...i have a million of these so u all may get a few more .....rich

[habadasher]

I don't recall addressing you Holly, at least recently?? You just want to contend like your CUZ. Why don't you two start your own thread and go back and forth with each other?? Nobody else would post on it!!!

[habadasher]

Hey Smitty, remember Don Wolf supplying trees to planters at Mescellaro?? He would drive that pickup with trees in it right down the side of mountains off road. He wore that stupid looking football helmet with no face mask. That was funny. He finally tore that truck up I think.

[habadasher]

Those are great stories Rich. Sometimes I get tears in my eyes because there so funny!! I remember ol Jimmy Jackson. He would practice guitar for hours and hours on night watch etc. whenever he could. Practice , Practice, the trouble was he was tone deaf and had no sense of rythem! It was really unbearable if you happen to have watch with him. I liked ol Jimmy though. Sometimes I miss all the good old broes. you know ? Keep them stories coming, They are great!!! And the amazing thing about them, they are true!!!!

[rich_hydell]

WEll habber ...you gave me a great big smile ...i feel the same ...man we all need to laugh sometimes .. that crying is tough .. but im glad to see u smile to .. any way yea more comming ....r

[rich_hydell]

ok here are a few shorties ... wylie and i are talking and he says ,, i dont get it i never get in trouble ,, so i say well donnie ,,you did just donate 10 grand last week right and thats a common thing with u right he says yea i say well???... danny shaipiro come to me in the office and says rich i dont know what we are going to do .. i say whay do u mean ,, he says ,,, tony and sue said their going to israil i say ok ...danny believe me theie going to have to take at least two hundred of us with them ... he says why .. i said do u see how they live for crying out loud . he says oh man u cant say that i said well danny its just the truth man ,,,,,one day im at saugus one and jimmie magrew and two other brothers stop me and say hydell we need to talk lets go out back so i say ok .. no prob ... so jimmie says we dont like what were seeing .. u running around in leather suits . luchissie boots .. so i say look bud .. im searving the lord i work 24/7 .. just like u man dont get on my case.. talk to the boss ok u want my job huh ... good luck ....but i did get it thats why i was gone a year later ... knolage is power ...rich

[habadasher]

Sounds like they were covating your duds and boots. Why did'nt they tell Tony about his clothes and elevators??

[habadasher]

Those blue suits we had to wear with the blue shoes were a fashion statement! Some people had to wear a blue jump suit type thing with a patch on it. And those pink suits the rightous brothers singing group (Black Brothers singing group) had. I don't know if they ever got cleaned or not? We had to wear those blue suits witnessing a couple of times with those shoes. My blue shoes had these heels on them and did not fit me. My dogs were barken bad after a few hours in Hollywood. Man I hated wearing that suit! But I did it because Sue wanted us too and we thought the Lord wanted us too. Maybe He did I don't know. It sure was humiliating thats for sure!

[no_stoppin_me]

Don't you know that what was good for the congregation wasn't good for T&amp;S???

Here's an example....

Remember when we had popcorn and candy out for the customers at the Alamo Of Nashville? Well one time on a Wednesday, Papa Perv came in and sat down on the couch there by the cash register area and of course everyone swarmed over to be near the Great One and listen to his every word. Anyway...Papa Perv began shoving him mouth full of popcorn, all the while talking (with popcorn pieces flying out of his mouth)....All the bros &amp; sisters were not talking, they were just watching Perv eat. He suddenly stopped shoveling and asked why no one was sharing the popcorn with him. I think it was Shimone Levine who finally piped up.."Uhhh, Tony, it's Wednesday" to which Papa Perv immediately pronounced that God had told him to end the fast early that day!!!!!!!! lol lol lol... Yeah, cuz he couldnt control himself and probably never fasted on the obligatory Wednsday fast day with the rest of the congregation.

Of course, everyone was standing around saying "oh Praise the Lord, Tony!

Ohhhh, the memories!

[rich_hydell]

well im the one who found defabriggio the boot maked the boot were on a shelf and they were for .. i call tony and the rest is history ... as far as the clothes well again im the one who found turk .. jo cotreneo ,pizazz designs ,bernie lenoff fururries were the white mink came from ,,pritty much most of all their cloths and sues double peddle clinic eyelashes...ezeras on rodaio drive ...the guy in the vally who did all the leather carving on the boots for the alamo ...i remember buying 5 pair of charled jordan for sue one day and im in their with lou claude and the owner says to me wow look at ur cloths u look like a star and then turning to lou dressed in foundition bowery cloths ... need led to say i felt like an idiot .....but lou was cool ...as thay say .. thats that way it was....rich

[rich_hydell]

oh the boots on the shelf were made for tom jones ....and thats the rest of the story...r

[rich_hydell]

habber,,i didnt buy those suits ... i think it was scarcello ....i always felt bad buying for the sisters . what girl wants to wear an out of date little house on the prairrie dress .. that forty other girls are wearing .....sorry ladies ....rich

[habadasher]

Rich, I did'nt think you bought those suits. Man, you were good at finding some really cool stuff!! You had a great talent for that and Tony an Sue knew it. You were just doing your best at what you were told to do.

[habadasher]

No Stoppin Me, I think I was upstairs when the popcorn thing happened. I think I was still there. I may have had a Mezz watch!!

[rich_hydell]

habber do u remember those big elvis belts we sold thay were from winton belt company they made all of elvises belts ... rich

[saved_21570]

haber,

I remember wearing that blue suit wittnessing on the beach! (Redondo I think.)

It felt like it was 110 degrees. Everone in swim suits, enjoying the water, and we are trudging through the sand in a suit and dress shoes, looking like moonies.

I had the good sense to know this probably wasn't God. I even remember thinking something like, "I must really love Sue because I wouldn't do this for anyone else". LOL

Live and learn.

Tom

[hollydolly]

ya like adolescent flirting and "bad" behavior that some of the kids were involved in.........totally worth the spanking for me.........probably not for the boys who really got beat..........that was sad. hey kids remember getting old cardboard boxes from behind the cafeteria and using them as sleds to go down that hill in the front of the cafeteria? or going out in the middle of the pond in that silver boat and rocking it until it flipped! fun times remember how creepy chuck suttons cabin was? thats gone now by the way.

[no_stoppin_me]

I do remember using those wax boxes from the cafeteria to slide down that hill on the Ridge. I recently saw video of the Ridge and I swear that hill looked so much bigger as a kid.

[no_stoppin_me]

Here is another "kid" memory...We got this bright idea to tape "secular" songs from the radio over message tapes and listen to them on our walkmans. So if someone asked what we were listening to, we would pull out the tape and it would have the title of some taped message on it.

Well....T&amp;S got wind of it and omg, did we get in major trouble. Susie was real sick at the time and it was in Dyer. She could not come out of their house to rebuke us, so we had to stand in line in that little trailor/night watchman place near their house and one by one get on the phone and be "blasted" by Susie.

Tony told us that we were responsible for Susie's sickness and that because of our sins, she couldnt be healed.

Ohhh the memories...

[hollydolly]

no stoppin---------you would have to be from my brother's era......peter levin..........who r u?

[no_stoppin_me]

Yes, you would be right, Holly. This is Julie

[smitty]

C.P., Wow,that brought back a memory or two! I totaly missed the snowball fight,but I definetly heard about it. I think I was staying up at the Davenport house when it was under construction, so I couldn't get down there.

[rich_hydell]

ok heres a nugget from my past .. im in downtown la buying equipment for the restruant in dyer .. so i call tony about some steam tables and sue gets on the line .. she says richard what do u think of jennie pucket ,,, well talk about left field .. i say well sue. i like jennie but thats about it .. she says well richard think about her ok ... so i said ok ,and went wbout buying dishes and everything else ... so two months later the restruant is about to open sue flys me out to be the mattradee.. the doorman and people seater ok ...so im at the door and the phone rings and its sue and she says have u been thinking about jennie .. i said well no not really .. sue says richard u should marrie her .. i said .. ok sue so i tell sue ,jennie is down at the kerr megee she says go down and ask her so i said ok ... so off i go jennie is at the regester and i say ... jennie were getting married ok she say oh no were not so i say ok ... and go back to my post ... so the phone rings sue says well what did she say .. and i say she said no .. so sue askes me well how did u ask her i told her and she says richard you have to tell jennie and be tough so go back down .. so i said ok .. so off i go and walk in and say, jennie lets go to the back we need to talk and i say ,jennie we are getting married ok thats it .. and she says ok so im feeling pritty good at this point ...so it was time to go to servies and i go with jennie in her yellow cuttles we pull into dyer and jennie gets out of the car walks right over to sues back door i see she is let in ... and to this day i have no idiea what happend ... i an clueless. sue never said anything ,jennie never said a thing so u tell me .. i have mo idea why i never married jennie puckett.....rich

[no_stoppin_me]

Uhhh, excuse me, Rich were you and Jeanie "pairing off" in that yellow cutless??? lol

[rich_hydell]

as a matter of fact we were but i could never get one day you dont even know some one never even held hands then the next ur married and in the same bed ... so wierd ....rich

[habadasher]

Yes, Rich I remember those Elvis belts you found. Russell P. would doctor them up with alot of Rhinestones. We had a bunch of Elvis impersonators who would come to the Alamo to buy their Elvis stuff. They really thought they scored with those belts!
Remember riding tabogan style on the stack bed truck? My legs would go to sleep and cramp up. By the time you got to where you was going ya could'nt walk!!

[habadasher]

I was at the Kerr Mcgee the first day it opened working there. We had to check the tires, pump the customers gas however much they wanted, check under the hood which included oil,radiator water level, transmission fluid level, window washer fluid level,etc.etc. This was done on every vehicle. Tony would always price the fuel we sold lower than anyone else on the little strip there in Alma. We would be absolutly swamped with cars all the way out to the highway lined up. From morning to night. We could'nt stop. We would run out of gas and get in trouble. Bart Beardsly was the (Quote) manager I believe. About every few hours Tony had someone pickup all the cash we were making. Those were some big drops. After working the islands for a long time, I was moved to cashier at the K.M. We ate in this back room built on addition with no A.C. and it would be boiling in there. That was another whole story, the humidity and heat in Ark. after being out in Ca. all those years was not to comfortable. You could'nt get out of it anywhere. I hit the wrong swith at the K.M. on the swith board and melted a whole freezer full of ice cream. I thought I was dead meat. The supplier made good on my accident so Tony did not blast me as bad!

[razzor9]

Habadasher are you in the picture on Macel website from Nashville 83 ??

Rich, the andy gump story goes like this, unless there were two drive offs: It was Jack Cupka in the gump not Fred N, and the job forman from the cotton crew who drove off not Don Sweat. Still a funny story.

(Message edited by razzor9 on July 08, 2006)

[smitty]

Tree Crew always carried the best memories for me.The New Mexico job was always the biggest w/ +70 bros there.At our base camp in the Mescalaro reservation we had a cook tent and trailer presided over by Tom French as cook (I still remember those breakfasts!)a mess hall tent w/ tables and benches made out of pine poles,a tent and cover for the mechanics (Snags and one other mechanic) and a shower tent w/a homemade HOT shower(2 or 3 heads).Typicaly you could make a bonus per day, sometimes two ($5-$10)so if you worked hard and were thrifty w/ your money you would come off that job with from $100 to $300 in your pocket.

In addition, some bros supplemented their $ w/ picking up elk antlers and selling them in town. Once Pat Gunnip and John Kolbek went off looking for this "Lost Valley of the Elks" that was supposedly loaded w/them. They got lost and we went looking for them all night. They straggles back to camp around midnight w/ no antlers. Seems they got good and lost and then ran into a mother bear w/ her cubs. She charged them and they went up the nearest two pine trees. (How, I don't know, as they were Sugar Pines and the first branches were a good 10' above ground!!)The bear climbed after them to make sure they wouldn't come down and then went back to her cubs and walked away. Pat and John stayed in their trees for several hours before climbing down and finally made it back to camp.

(One of these days ask me about Ed Risha and the Moose calf!!http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif)

[habadasher]

Cupcakes was cool, I liked him. He was pretty straight forward I thought. I heard he was a prison guard now!!!

[smitty]

We had a job up in Kit Carson National Forrest with our camp in a valley up in the high country. There were 2 or 3 days untill our job started, so I took a sheet iron frypan from the cook and a shovel and went prospecting. After about an hours work I finally srtuck "color"!Needless to say everybody in camp was soon out trying to pan as well! I wish I could remember where that valley was, I go back and strike a claim!

[razzor9]

Ya Cupcakes is cool!! I think him in the andy gump driving away is very commical being he was alway so funny Being Polish he had the best and the most polish jokes ever. I bet his jokes are alot more colorful now that he is a prison guard.

[razzor9]

Snow Ball fight @ #5. Marty Stanton and Don Sweat went there and Marty got nailed and fell in the snow couldnt get up cuz his pants were ripped, so the great zeal of the sisters kept nailing him. The bros didnt get rebuked at all just the sis.

[hollydolly]

ya my brother is severly damaged from the cult,now that i think about it he moved in to the brothers dorm when he was 15 and i'm sure was on many tree crews.........what the hell did you all do to him? if he was around people like nuncio i can imagine......

[wilma]

aaaahhhhhhh....the snow ball fight ;-)
We sisters who lived with Dee and Granny across from the church had our own snow ball fight with the brothers in front of the Saugus church that same day. People were "snowed in" and so I don't believe there were any crews going down to Hollywood to go witnessing and the people from #5 weren't coming up the highway for church either. As I remember, Tracey and I were the main culprits and had a lot of fun with the brothers in front of the church plastering each other with snowballs. When we heard Susan Alamo "reamed" the #5 sisters, we were terrified that we would be next. But luck was on our side....she never found out!! Since we weren't even supposed to carry on conversation with the brothers (except for "praise the Lord, brother") the snow ball fight was just soooo much fun. Fun was pretty much a sin, so I'm sure Tracey and I were begging God for mercy that he cover our sin. LOL
Susie G

[wilma]

Another memory I have is of the Alamo Restaurant in Alma. After the music stars would perform and leave, Tony would often sing and do his Elvis impersonations for some of the customers and the brothers and sisters. Susan Alamo would instruct the sisters to swoon and scream while Tony sang, as she and Tony really got a kick out of that.
Well, I remember after Tony doing his impersonations many nights that Susan A allowed some of the brothers to perform. Ronnie Pryor and Joe Limas were terrific and we were all quite impressed. I remember them singing "My girl". Other brothers wanted to get in on the action too....we were having such a good time. Well, after a couple nights and word getting around how good they were, Tony and Susan put an abrupt stop to the brothers singing. I never heard any explanation. Did anyone? I just figured Tony couldn't handle the competition. He's such a JERK!! LOL

[wilma]

Okay, for you guys wondering where those HORRIBLE blue suits and dresses came from......the sisters made them. (you didn't really think they could be purchased, did you???) We sewed day and night (literally) for months, since we had to make them for all the band and 150 voice choir in time for Easter. We worked all day and night, just grabbing a few hours to sleep and then were back working on them again. It was horrible making them and worse wearing them. They were all made of polyester and the sisters long sleeved, floor length dresses were made out of THICK, HEAVY polyester....they were excrutiatingly HOT walking up and down Hollywood Boulevard in the summer heat and of course we weren't allowed to wash them. How totally disgusting. We went through the things we did, thinking that God required it of us...how deceived we were about the personality of God. Tony is still deceiving and being deceived! Glad I'm FREE!!!!!!
Susie G

[smitty]

Holly.. I don't know what it was that happened to Peter. I always likes him, thought he was a good kid.As far as tree crew goes. It was probably a good thing he was on it. I know myself and a lot of bros. were on it just to get away from the crazyness and find some peace of mind...

[smitty]

BTW..We all came away damaged from there.

[no_stoppin_me]

Holly, there is not one "kid" who did not come out of that place "damaged" in some way. Some more than others. We all have dealt with or are dealing with the affects of the cult. In a way it made me a stronger person. I mean, geeze, if I can make it out of that hell hole, I can make it through anything, right?

Some were fortunate to have extended family or friends to turn to, others were not.

The heartache that I felt having my mom and sister still in the cult after I left and knowthing that they though I was Satan, was sometimes too much to bear, seriously.

One time I called the Spec House (you know the talking house) and asked to speak to my mom. Nancy Jo answered and said "no, I do not know where she is", which was true in a way, since she didnt know where she was at that particular moment in time, so she wasnt really "lying". So I asked if I could leave a message for my mom and her response to me was "I do not take messages from the Devil."

[smitty]

Susie..I remember when the sisters made those suits at #2. At the time I thought they were pretty good.. Later on at the church in Dyer Jr.Romero,Ricky myself and a few other bros in the choir would wear our swimsuits under the choir robes in the summer so that we could make a fast getaway after services to get to the poolhttp://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/biggrin.gif

[bill_l]

I remember right before we were to put 1st. ballon payment on the Saugus church I was sleeping at Ed Micks and chris's house who lived directly under Tony and Sue in there studio city house. Well it's about 11pm and we hear susie scream as loud as she could and took off running up the steps three at a time to protect the annointed of the lord. Tony Baloney lets us in and susie is in her bedroom and she tells us she lost the thirty thousand dollar payment for the church and she sends ed and I out to retrace there steps and see if we could comeup withit andto tell the church to pray andshe also had the Doctors (Judy Shapiros) family I think Gail bingham and Brian, and several others came down to the house to pray with Tony and Sue. So Ed and I are out all night lookin for the Lords money lol when Susie finally went back in her bedroom and looked in the draw it was sitting there all the time. So to avoid looking bad about having us out looking for the money all night and having all sorts of people praying all night she says it must be a miracle cause the money it done came back. and thats all I have to say about that.its my story and im sticking to it.

[smitty]

Hey Bill.. Good to hear from you..

[rich_hydell]

yea bill very cool story ...i have to say i had and have some great friends from the old days .bill being one of them.. but bill was the the best to go out and do busniness with... we always had a blast ...we have the same crazy sence of humor and as two people on the inside so to speak it really helped to deal with the total bizarre things we were asked to do ....bill great seeing u in florida ....and belive me when i went out with tiny smith it was just not the same...lol rich

[hollydolly]

do any of you"brothers" remember my brother peter levin?????

[razzor9]

yeah rich a long long long time ago ..... you bill l and danny shapiro had more in common than your sense of humor.

[smitty]

Yes Holly, I remember Peter.I think I may have been with him on one of the last tree crews I was on. I know that he and Nate Funmaker were supposed to have been taught drafting by Dale Garris at the school. At the time I was hoping to have them help me as apprentices ( I did the architectural drafting and property maps for the various properties). For some reason they were never sent to help me.I would have been happy to teach them, maybe it would have given them some more skills to use.

[hollydolly]

did you think my brother was weird? just curious?

[hollydolly]

unforgiven............a song by metallica.........if you want to know how the "kids" feel!!!!!!!

[hollydolly]

speaking of remembering..............have any of of you lost somebody really close to you?

[smitty]

No he never struck me as "wierd" or anything else negative. He struck me as a young man who was ready to rise out of the level of "kids" and take his place with the rest of the Bros. Why? What happened?

[hollydolly]

well i'm sure he tried to appear "macho"...........the whole thing really affected him............its sad

[smitty]

Well, you sure have me confused.I certainly don't recall any "macho" type stuff,he was just ready to all the same stuff as the rest of the bro's. Then again, I was a single brother and from 1980 to 1985 I pretty much stayed on Tree Crew just to keep my sanity intact.My last year was 1986.I think Pete and Nate "graduated" from the school in '85 since I saw them both on Tree Crew that year.

[smitty]

Well, you sure have me confused.I certainly don't recall any "macho" type stuff,he was just ready to all the same stuff as the rest of the bro's. Then again, I was a single brother and from 1980 to 1985 I pretty much stayed on Tree Crew just to keep my sanity intact.My last year was 1986.I think Pete and Nate "graduated" from the school in '85 since I saw them both on Tree Crew that year.

[no_stoppin_me]

You are right, Tom. The "kids" couldnt wait to get out of the "kid" level and go to work with the adults. It is what we had been groomed to do since the beginning. Even as "kids", we were taken to the CB in one vehicle and we worked. We even went to the CB after the 8pm prayer meeting and worked till 1 or 2am, ate our burger and fries and woke up the next day and went to school.

In the summer, we were not allowed to just "hang" out and be kids, heaven forbid. Oh no, We had to be doing something, either babysitting, working in the office, restaurant, or other various jobs. No time to just be a kid.

Maybe keeping us busy working was a way of distracting us from thinking what in the hell have our parents gotten us into?????

[wilma]

Holly,
I'm just guessing here, but possibly the things that have harmed Peter L is having to make a decision as a small child to choose the Foundation over his real Dad (in order to be with his Mom)....also, leaving his family at such a young age, to go live with single young men. In the Foundation you had no future other than a laborer, rider, or watchmen. Your only value as a person was what you could produce for Tony. There was no hope of college or a career.

I keep recommending that people read some books on spiritual abuse or attend one of the cult conferences or ex-member workshops. It will really help you understand why things operated the way they did and help set you free from the condemnation and lies.

Like NSM said, many of the "kids" deal with the afteraffects of living in the Foundation. The kids from the Children of God/Family have started their own web page and Safe Passage Foundation to help second generation members of cults.

Here's a reminder below of an upcoming workshop for anyone who might be interested:

[rich_hydell]

razzer ? not sure what u mean .. but in just going down memory lane here ....hope life is treating u and ur famly well who are u ? ...as for peter levin .. my memory was a very talented musician with an awfull lot of zeal ...devoted but he never really seamed any weider then the rest of us ...lol ..rich .. also it would help if people just used their real names .. and not a handle ....this isn't the cia here ...ya know ...

[no_stoppin_me]

Given the harrassment some have received on here by current Alamoites, when using their real names, I can understand the use of "handles"

[no_stoppin_me]

Rich, are you referring to Peter Leman? I dont recall Pete Levin being a talented musician and he would have been a kid when you were there.

[rich_hydell]

i guess im thinking of the guy who directed the choier ... do people get harrased at home or just on the board ? ... r

[no_stoppin_me]

Not sure about at home, but on the board.

[rich_hydell]

ok ...well i would love to know who im talking to .. so www.wreckedband.com (http://www.wreckedband.com) send me a note who you all are ...i have never been harrased ... and . i would thing if some one is being accuesed of something they have a right to speak their mind ... but im on this thread to reminiss ..thats it ...r well i need to pick up the boys from sunday school so ill ck back later

[smitty]

Just went over to Marcels photo page. The pictures Bart took on Tree Crew were GREAT!!

You can see why the "Crew" was such a great way to get away from Tony!(Check out the pic w/ the great catch of trout!)

[bill_l]

Hey Tomb this is Bill good to hear from you too. and Rich we will always be friends and brothers we shared some years of injustice and depravity for sure and that is what bands all of us together. we have shared years together depending on one another just to get through. and yes holly I remember both you and your brother . your brother Peter was a teenager woeking aside grown men who had been doing difficult work all there lives and Peter might have felt he needed to be as "macho" as thr brothers appeared to him. and that is just a guess. But I certainly fell and felt you both good people.

[rich_hydell]

i want to throw something out about ed risha some one said his name ... me and ed did not get along ...i was friends with gail from back with bryan .. bryan was my first foundation friend ,buddy ,,, muse really.. so when ed and gail married well , what can i say ... so when sue told me i was worst then peter when he denied christ ... well i was sent to ark .. to work as a mud mixer with borek .. and roofing with achey and picanino .. any way about two months befor i left i was put on his framing crew ...well me and him really bonded .. thats the best way i could put it .. so he would get the crew working on the site and me and him would go find a pond some were and go cat fishing ...with sitnk bate ... well to make a short story short ed was a big hearted guy ... and i look foward to seeing him and of course bryan someday ....if anny one knows benji .. ask him to call me so i can share my memories of his dad .....bill what up ..man ....lol ... rich

[hollydolly]

i believe he was too young to be around single men out on tree crew away from the watching eyes of the foundation! who really knows how many of these guys were actually saved?like people were talking about earlier how people were there for different reasons.well i've heard some stories anyway.......

[smitty]

Holly, I don't know what stories you're talking about. I was on the crew for five years with most of the guys on it and if ANYTHING like what I think you're hinting at happened it would have been known right away! The tree crew was not a loose band of crazies,each crew was a close knit team with all of us in close proximity to each other, so we knew each person on it warts and all. I know from personal experience as a crew boss that anyone who would not fit in was gotten off that crew A.S.A.P.

[smitty]

BTW: The "watching eyes" at the Foundation belonged to Tony, and we know what HE was looking for!

[hollydolly]

i'm not hinting anything! i'm just saying the characters of some of the people my brother was made to be around could very well be questionable who is any of us to say everyone in that church had a personal experience with God!

[hollydolly]

question: did anyone ever kill themselves while a participant of the alamo church? no matter who or for how long they were there or what the circumstance does anyone have anything to say about this?

[saved_21570]

Holly,

Ed Mick's sister commited suicide, but she was not living in the foundation at the time.

I don't know all the details. It was in the early days of the Saugus era. She was underage and had been sent back to live with her mother (I think).

Story goes that she wanted to come back to the foundation and that either her mother or sister, or both were very cruel to her.

If I'm not mistaken her father had commited suicide also, when she was little.

I don't know of any others.

Tom

[hollydolly]

were there ever at any time drug addicts and weirdos living in any of the dorms on the ridge?

[hollydolly]

i'm not sure if it was a tracking crew or a tree crew but my brother witnessed suicide {apparantly} not to say I trust what anybody says either way just wanting answers thats all

[saved_21570]

Holly,

Drugs weren't allowed. As far as weirdos, well we had a few. Depending on interpertation, maybe more than a few. LOL

All kidding aside. Most of the bros. were characters, but not weirdos. Over the years there were a few, but the percentage was very small.

[hollydolly]

no like drug addicts that came into the foundation as is and sobered up while living at the dorm........my mom says one day she was standing near an open window and she heard peter outside while playing alone cursing up a storm every foul word imaginable.........now where would he have learned these words?i never knew any bad words as a kid in church....

[saved_21570]

Holly,

I was on the tree crew for alot of years and I never heard that one.

Crews were sometimes scattered around the country, but we were a pretty tight knit group. I don't think anything like that would have been easy to keep secret.

Do you have any details as to where or who's crew?

In general, as Tom Smith said, I think the bros. on tree crew had less craziness to deal with.

Tom

[no_stoppin_me]

Holly, I remember Pete used to be able to leave for extended periods of time (not sure how long) to go visit his Dad and go on vacations, etc. He could have heard the cursing there. Just a guess.

I only remember that because we were jealous of him, getting to go places we didnt.

[iasmann]

Holly,

I remember Pete. I don't think he was weird. He was one of the first kids. All the kids got a raw deal and naturally it's going to affect them. His first wife didn't help things much either as I recall.

[hollydolly]

who susie? why is that? and i doubt bruce levin would have allowed him to hear those words besides he stopped going to see his dad when he was 10

[hollydolly]

if you're speaking of the cirrcumstances at the end of his first marriage that is not relevant at all nor do i care to smear anyones name.........

[saved_21570]

Well, I guess I'm really out of the loop.

I didn't know Pete ever was married. Then again, It has been almost 16 years since I left.

I remember Pete as a good kid who seemed to have a good head on his shoulders. I thought your Mom and Dad had done a great job raising him. Of course, not withstanding, I have had some real eye openings of some of what you kids went though.

Tom

[hollydolly]

he married susie radlien when she was only 17 and he was 23 or 24 i think...... they had 2 boys

[no_stoppin_me]

Thats another point....Because we were not allowed to have normal male/female relationships, if you liked someone or had a crush on them, you married them!! Your first kiss is on your wedding day in front of the whole congregation. Think about it!

So.... you get married in the cult at 16 or 17 and you have everything in common (how can you not) and then you leave or get kicked out or whatever and suddenly you are starting this new life with someone you really dont know at all nor have anything in common. So it is not uncommon that these relationships sometimes and usually fail. As a matter of fact, I can't think of any of the "kids" that I know that are still married to the person they were married to in the cult, with the exception of my dearest friend, Elishah.

[no_stoppin_me]

Holly, I never knew Bruce Levin so perhaps you are right that he would never have let Pete hear curse words, however at 10 years old and having any kind of access to the outside world, it would be more likely than not that he would have heard curse words.

[hollydolly]

it just seems more likely to me that he picked them up from single brothers...........but thats just me.......and yes susie and pete couldn't be more opposite in personality

[internuncio]

Holly,
From what I know of Peter Levin he didn't turn out any worse than anyone else who was raised in the cult. We all know he married Susie Radlien and had 2 children, which he abandoned for many years. We know that he then married Roger Suikenon's daughter and if I'm not mistaken, he had a kid with her... and then he went and married Theresa Armstong.

You know, some people just make bad decision in their life. You can't blame everything on the cult. There comes a time when people have to choose to live a good life in spite of their child hood experiences.

[rich_hydell]

heres another .. im doing the door at saugus 1 just before 3 oclock services .. so all of a sudden i see about 30 cop cars comming .. i turn to terry leach and say thank god their not comming here .. well they get just past the church and turn around , pull at the far end of the parking lot .. they also had a van with them little did i know but swat teams were coming over the hill and hehacopters were flying above us .. so all the cops get out in riot gear .. and about 40 of them line up and start walking twards the church ...im thinking o man this is going to be nuts ... so i step out side and say in a my loud voice can i help u .. so they all put their hands on their guns and say get in side.. so i raise my hands up and yell u have no right to come into the lords house .. im yelling everything i could think of .. .. , the guy in charge says look were comming in now get out of the way .. so they push me out of the way and walk right in .. so im still yelling this is against the law u have no right to do this .. so he says look when we find who we want ,ill tell u whats going on ... well as soon as he said that they bring lane petri out with vickie volks right behind lane .. i look at vickie and shake my head from side to side to let her know not to start something .. so i turn to the cop and say ok u have one now what going on .. he says their is a court order to get lane. angelo .mario and joey orlando ...just as he tells me that some one calls from t&amp;a s house were the refugees were staying , in the windmill ...so i tell him take them out to the desert and in one hour have them call the house .. so the cop tries to hand me a court order but i tell him ... look im not touching anything u have .. lay it on the ground .. put it in the mail box .. but im not touching it ... so they leave with lane ... soon as they start to leave sue call from ark .. and says who did the get .. i tell her lane and who they were looking for .. she says go to the house when they call in i want u to go get them and call me when u cross the calif state line and call me ... so i go to the housr ,, they call ,,i go out pick them up and drove 44 hours stright to ark ... .. that was quite a day ... and i later read in readers digest the story.. so their another mem .....rich

[wilma]

Hey Rich, Tom A, Bill, Tom S, NSM,
Thanks for the memories.
Hey does anyone remember being put in "The Group"? For anyone who doesn't know, that was a tool for punishing us that Tony and Sue contrived to get us to report each other. For very minor offenses you would get stuck in a group of other offenders and were made to do the peeling for all the meals, or you had to sew patches on the brothers pants all day long, extra prayer shifts, fasting, and other disciplinary action. The work wasn't any big deal but you were made to feel very disgraced.
Here are some of the group offenses:
To leave a mess.
Enter kitchen without permission except during services.
To leave any Fnd without signing out.
Not signing in on arriving at a Foundation property.
Clothes or toiletries slothful over 15 minutes. (You not only lost your personal belongings but you got thrown in the group for a week.)
Slide furniture over any floor.
Pour mop water down any commode.
Put feet on any furniture.
Talking in front of the Saugus church after services.
Pour out water in front of church.
Eat food in any Fnd vehicle.
Flip cigarette ashes out of vehicles.
Walk on wet floor.
Not have bedding in bag.
For unauthorized person to ask for special food.
For drivers not to check with kitchen before leaving property.
Not to go into kitchen (to work) when asked without a good excuse. (Remember Doug Pendelton with his clip board?)
Not have clothes marked.
3 unexcused lates to group.
Use outside exit in Men's bathroom at church.
To interrupt a group unnecessarily while they are reading Bible.
Use kitchen vat for other than kitchen use.
For driver not to make sure everything on vehicle is unloaded.
For driver to refuse to drive without a good excuse.
Not to show up for scheduled job or get a replacement.
Not have tracts on any vehicle.
Not have spare oil on any vehicle.
Not check vehicle fluids before departing.
For driver not to leave 10 minutes after announcing load-up.
Bring vehicle back with less than 1/4 tank of gas.
Store personal belongings in any Fnd vehicle.
Let vehicle run out of gas.
Rider not turn in report within 48 hours.
Not turn in receipts within 24 hours.
Not turn in savings stamps.
Nod or sleep while rider. (we were totally sleep deprived too)
Jump on or off moving vehicle.

There's more to come. Bring back any memories?????

[rich_hydell]

heres A another good one .... so im at saugus one ... one day and the phone rings .. luckly i was a phone overseer ... lol .. so its sue .. she says .. richard tony is in the hospatal he got beat up pritty bad get a bunch of the big guys down here ... so of course i get them down their .. so that night t&amp;s with about two hundred guys in pickups . dumptrucke gordo everything that ran ,, the beast , stakebed .. u name it ..they go looking for the guy who did this ... well they dont find him and all the bros come to the church ... and let me tell u their all a little crazy at this point ... so tony calls and says if any one comes on the property beat them into the pavement ... so i hang up turn to these guys and yell if anyone comes on the property beat them into the pave mant ...so a great cheer goes out ,,,,the brothers had chains baseball bats u name it ... so about 15 min later some one says to me . rich what happens if some old lady is just looking for directions .. or something like that thell be killed ... so i say u know ur right so i call tony and tell him and he says ok .. send out a scout ...lol ... any way nothing happened that night ... but i think it was the next day they found cliff smock ... now i have only heard crazy tales mostle from wylie what happend that day .. so if some one was their please give us the rest of the story ... i believe bill my have been their .. ? ANYWAY THEIRS A ANOTHER

[smitty]

Groan...Yeah I remember the group.I also remember "Deep" and Streit w/ the clip boards.(I also remember getting up to the Windmill in the trunk of Ernie Romero's car in order to dodge them). The Rules! Just like the Law, you couldn't keep all of them, although instead of helping you draw closer to Christ, the rules spawned an attitude of cynicism in concocting ways to dodge some of them.
Remember the one Susie laid down: Any brother who walked from the dorm to the chapel with wet hair was to be immediatly kicked out?

[smitty]

Rich.. I remember that one! I heard a rumor that the guy who beat Tony claimed to be a member of the Vargos MC gang. I heard he was just a poser and that when the real Vargos heard about it they caught up to him and seriously beat the s%@# out of him. Just a rumor, I don't know first hand.I DO remember being in the back of the stakebed w/ everyone else looking for blood.

[wilma]

More group offenses:
Hold up Fnd vehicle
Not get trading stamps when buying gas at other than Alamo Gas station.
Run over water hose in vehicle.
Leave gates open at #2 garbage area.
Step on flowers.
Sleep in field at church.
Hang clothes to dry on fireplace screens
Miss any witnessing vehicle.
Sit on arm of any chair.
To put ashtray on any couch or upholstered furniture.
Enter tract room without permission.
Not be back to witnessing vehicle at designated time.
Not put yourself on wake-up 15 minutes before your (BC) baby Christian.
To leave a baby Christian (BC) unattended or not assign him to a BC watcher.
For person in charge of "the group" to neglect group.
Late for choir or band practice without good excuse.
To miss choir or band practice.
To be late for prayer hour 3 times without good excuse.
Miss prayer hour without good excuse.
To be motionless 1 minute or more while in prayer room.
For missing a wake-up.
Not to have a brother or sister sign their name upon waking them up.
Not to sign name on being awakened.
Not get up in 5 minutes.
Sign in incorrectly on night sign-in sheet 3 times.
One late wake-up past 10 minutes.
3 late wake-ups under 10 minutes.
Nod or sleep on nightwatch.
Not report BC within 24 hours of them leaving Fnd.
Nod during services.
Sleep on any sofas or booths at the church.
Not turning in donation cards filled out properly.
To damage tracts.
Not turn in tracts after witnessing.
Whistling in the church at any time.

Baby Christian Offences:
Refuse nightwatch without good excuse.
To nod or sleep during services, nightwatch, or prayer.
Pick up cigarette butts off street while witnessing.

I think that about covers the group offenses. Does anyone remember any more????

Then there was the sisters "crash crew". They were under extreme reproach from Susan Alamo and treated horribly. Any one have any stories from that era? I spent my time in "the group" but, fortunately, I was never in the "crash crew".
Susie G

[rich_hydell]

smitty ... from what i heard was t&amp;a was with a bunch of the heaveys and spotted him they chased him down .. he tried to get into a resturand but was closed .. at that point the last guy in the world that i would want chasein me ... ed mick started singing their cimming to take u away ha ho ho ... well they beat the guy senceless . to with in a breath of his life .. wylie told he he saw one brother trying to break his arm over his leg ,, but their was so much blood he could not get a grip on it .. from what i heard it was not the vargos ... i remember one night late at saugus . the leader of the vargos came up and said .. we ride six hundred strong and if tony ever needs help call us ,, but i believe it was the bros that did it .. i remember don telling me he looked at susie and said sue if u dont stop this he will be dead very soon .....

[no_stoppin_me]

Wow, too young for the "Group", but I guess by the time I got older we had moved on to getting your a$$ beat for any minor infraction. The "group" was much too lenient for the children of God, ya know.

[wilma]

You know, Rich, I heard just faint mumblings of that story back in the Saugus early days...That the BIG brothers had gone out and really hurt some guy.

If Tony and Susan, who had convinced the brothers that they were "God's anointed" were telling them to do it, they easily would have beat the guy to death thinking they were doing God service. It's pretty scarey. It's obvious they will do anything Tony says, which includes turning over their young virgin daughters to Tony to molest and rape.
Susie G

[internuncio]

Excuse me, all of you oldies... How on the face of the earth did you think any of this nonsence was of God?! Either all of you were mentally ill or you all are a few Cokes short of a six pack. Oh and I'm sure all of your kids thank you for birthing them into such a friggen hell hole! Wow you all need your damn heads examined! I can't believe anyone fell for all that garbage And then you all subjected your little children to even worse?! I don't get it! When you were on your Bible hours didn't you ever read about how the Lord's yoke is easy and His burden is light? Didn't you ever read about mercy and love and grace and love and long suffering and did I mention LOVE???? When you prayed did you ever LISTEN for God to speak to you??? Or was this time of prayer all one sided, just you "gabbing" to God??? WHAT WERE YOU PEOPLE THINKING????? At what point did you stop usig your brains for something other than head decoration????? I'm so ill over those rules. It shows me that you all birthed your children into HELL with full knowlege that they would face HELL just like you.

[rich_hydell]

all im doing here is bringing up history .. from my mind to yours .. i left in 1978 ...no wife no kids .. just me my self and i .. i cant speak or would i put down anyone for their past .. i agree with u 100persent .. i dont get it either ...like someone said before it was the end of the sixthies so many good hearts were looking for the truth ..their was a lot of bull back then too but when i learned what was going on i split ...very few people i guess knew what i knew from first hand dailying dealings ... at this point this is were i want to post ...just my memories good or bad ... inter if y would like to talk to me let me know .. i would never tell who u are i give u my word ....peace to u and yours ... rich

[wilma]

Nuncio,
Yes, it is bizarre, very bizarre. But the main thing Tony and Susan Alamo did was first convince us that if we left their cult that we would die a horrible death and then go straight to hell. The HELL and wrath scriptures were maximized and the Love scriptures were ONLY if you kept ALL God's commandments, which in their twisted interpretation meant staying at the Alamo Foundation, OR ELSE.

If you want more understanding of how cults systematically manipulate and coerce their followers you should read up on it. It is a process...you've heard the "boiling the frog" story, I'm sure.

If you're not aware of those rules, did you come to the Foundation later? or were you born and raised there? is so, ask your parents what it was like for them.

The parents loved their kids and tried to protect them. It was just impossible in that environment and people were terrified to leave.

Susie G

[habadasher]

When I was a very young Christian at the Saugus church I ask Sue if I could just check into the group. I was going thru it so bad I figured I just needed to be in it. I spent a long time in THE GROUP and learned to actually kind of like it. Everything was laid out what you had to do and I did not worry about breaking rules too much. Finally I was made to leave the group. I worked at the Exon gas station for a long time. I kind of liked it. Dave Fisher and I did the islands and books. Just as I started really getting the hang of it I got a call from Sue to go to Ark. I rode out to Ark. with Erni Harris in that big white truck. I liked Erni and he always had Vicroy Cigerettes. I beleive it was called (going thru the fire), well when I got to Ark. I felt like I was going thru the sun. Things were just starting up there.

[bill_l]

Rich it was the brothers who had beat him senseless and when sue saw him she said that is the guy "kill him" and yes it was a nasty thing that I am ashamed of. Do you remember the Dallas fiasco? We first bought the rights from Lorimar for $250,000.00 lol Then Tony has the brothers try to pick out fabric for the clothing designs except toni Baloney knew nothing of the buisness so he went in the wrong season. In other words it was spring which meant fabric mills where in the middle of production for winter. plus it was extremely expensive so Phoney tony decided to have Bob kitchener get a factor now the way a factor works is when you give them your accts. recievable they pay you cash less 1%. also Tony had Kitch call all our suppliers, boots,belts.shirts,etc. tell them we have the exclusive rights for the Dallas catalogue and we need a price on your goods if we order in the tens of thousand pieces so if our price was say 20.00 for a belt that we sold for 50.00 they gave us a price of 12.00. So Kitch compiles all the prices and reads them to tony, now when he doews phoney gives the price we will charge in the catalogue and thus the catologue was printed at a huge expense. then there was the advertising which was incredible to pay the stars and photo shoots which was in the tens of thousands. Well know we nwere to sit back and collect the money according to toni baloney. but a wierd thing happened one order came in one at a time for a pair of boots or belt so kitch called the boot company for the special order and they refused to give him the priceing for ten thosand boots so we sold most of toni baloneys things at a loss we lost so much of the brothers money it was very close to a million dollars but who cares I guess that it was hundreds of peoples hard work and money so much for that. thats my story and I am sticking to it.

[hollydolly]

nuncio first of all i wasn't asking your opinion of pete ok? did you not read in my prior post that i don't wish to smear anyones name while i speak of my brother? you've already made your opinion of me quite clear so if you would be so kind as to not address me anymore!

[hollydolly]

pete has only two kids by the way get you facts straight before you start <font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font> talkin

[smitty]

Rich.. Now that you mention it you were right about what happened. I got a couple of seperate incidents mixed up.

[habadasher]

We were going back to Bakes after services in Saugus and the the old red white and blue school bus was packed out. Most everyone was nodded out. For some reason I was'nt. I was sitting up towards the front of the bus. We had just begun our decent of the grapevine ( a very long steep hill). Landgarden is driving the bus and he starts freaking out pleading the blood etc. He is yelling out WE GOT NO BRAKES all the while stompping on the brake pedal with no result. The bus keeps picking up speed 60 70 80 90 I think we were probably doing about 120 and that bus is shaking so bad I thought it would disinagrat. Landgarden is holding on to the steering wheel for dear life! We were passing cars and trucks like they was sitting still all the way to the bottom of that hill!! I know God got that bus down that hill or we all would have been killed. We got to the bottom and coast to a stop and waited for the mechanics. Landgarden was literally sick. Some of the broes never woke up thru the whole ordeal.

[rich_hydell]

habber i laughed when i read that ,it wasent funny then but .. most of it wasent but ,looking back yes we had guairding angels .. im sure of it ...lol.... bill i thought u were with them when they cough cliff smock .... as far aa the rest of ur story i was gone at that point ...but as u can see on anad on it goes ...... remember we had a bus that some one stayed in the engine compartment to help switch gears .... so nuts ...rich

[iasmann]

Once we were driving a crew of witnessers down to Hollywood in the Mojave truck. Terry Leach was driving and I was riding along with someone else. All of a sudden he starts pleading the blood of Jesus. The brakes went out and then the front wheel fell of. The truck ran off the side of the road at about 30 or 40 miles an hour through a ditch and into a field. There was a full load of bros sitting toboggan style in the back. At one point I though the truck was going to flip over we were bouncing so hard. But miraculously no one got thrown out of the truck and no one was hurt.
Part of the broken wheel was so hot that it started a fire in the grass and we had to quickly put it out.

[habadasher]

That is truly amazing and funny!! I rode many times on the Mojave toboggan style. Man, the brakes seem to go out alot on alot of vehicles, what was up with that??? I never put it toghther back then. Maybe Jim Jackson was the brake man on the vehicles??

[razzor9]

Hey

Memory serves well....

John Kenworthy, Ed Mick, Don Wiley, Terry Leach, Ray Arze, and T &amp; S,and others were there. T &amp; S spotted him walking down the street and called in the troops. How did they know who he was????


Pulling up to the Backwoods Inn Resteraunt on Sierra Hwy about 2 mi north of Solada Hwy at approx 4 PM

The guy's description who was being beaten was, white, long blond hair, on the ground bloody and crying,... saying "I belong to the Satan Slaves and Vargos" Which the Dep. Sheriff said he was lying, cuz the two gangs are at war with each other....

Prior to the Dep Sheriff on scene, Susie was yelling to Terry Leach to stop, it finally took Ray Araz to hit Terry in the back of the head to make him stoop. The guy at one point tried to get into the restaraunt and Don Wylie kept singing "the doors locked,the doors locked".

The sheriff then took him to the hospital.

[razzor9]

Hey

What was up with T and buying wild life, like the Bear,Peachocks, Lama and put them up on the Davenport propert. The Black Bear almost broke Ed Micks arm, cuz he use to tease it? Bill Perrish messed with it too.

The Lama spit on Barbara Woods head, John Joyce kept telling the Lama to spit on her.

bye the way as of a few years ago Bill Perish was bragging to his mom that he was going to be in charge of the foundation when tony dies.

[rich_hydell]

yup.. thats it ...thanks for the story .. their was a movie called the wild bunch . . but really no one messed with us if they did well lights out ...we my have our differences but we have one history ...GOD BLESS US ... WE LOST A FEW GREAT ONES ALONG THE WAY ... BRIAN BINGHAM,GREG HOWARD, GARY LARISON,ED RISHA , ED MICK,... COME ON GUYS AND GIRLS .. WHO ELSE ....I PRAY FOR THEIR SOULS AND I KNOW EVERYONE OF THEM .. IS IN HEAVEN ....PEACE RICH

[razzor9]

Yep see you in feb 07

Differences are Great and history is past and can not be change.

Here are some more GREAT ONES THAT ARE ON THE OTHER SIDE

MYRON MASON
MOTHER DAVE
DAVE HAYES
GARY DANAHER
ANDY RIDDLE
AL CUMMINGS
HARVEY COCHRAN

[saved_21570]

GORDON McGREGOR

[hollydolly]

bob miller

[rich_hydell]

i wont say that i fotgot bob miller on my list because i will never forget bob .. he was my baby christian ... and a really nice person ...i know some day ill see bob again and that makes the sting really not so bad ... thank u holly ... rich

[no_stoppin_me]

Freddie Newton Jr., &amp; the Harris Baby

[wilma]

Ernie and Maurillia Romero too.
Maurillia died Christmas of 1995. They picked out a casket for her and Tony didn't like the price. During the viewing of her body Tony was telling them to switch the coffin to a cheaper casket. This upset her kids terribly. There was a big rebuke afterwards for them spending money on a decent casket. Typical Tony style. Plus how many people did Tony say made it to Heaven and then a few years later he would say they were in Hell? Lots! He later said Larison, Greg, Ernie Romero, Myron and others went to Hell. Tony is a disgusting excuse for a human being.
SG

[hollydolly]

thanks rich.........its nice to know that someone else here knew bob miller well enough to know how great he was..........my heart goes out to kody and bobby.........rest in peace Bob.......you were loved deeply

[hollydolly]

yes maurillias death was hard for my mom and i........she was always very nice to me she taught me back in the bakery at the restaurant in alama how the million dollar pie was made.........best ever by the way..........she always let me watch while she baked..........i spent alot of time at that restaraunt! loved that red carpet in the banquet..........lolol

[smitty]

Let's not forget Greg "Happy" Howard!!

[christophr19]

Maurillia...or as I knew her, Mrs. Romero(we never! addressed adults by their first name) was a wonderful woman. I spent alot of time at the Romero house, as Gabby was one of my "best"(one of about, what....150?) friends. I loved her cooking! She introduced me to a world of culinary adventure; I used to talk gabby into getting me invited over, so that I could eat dinner at their house. She loved feeding us! She was so little and seemingly frail, yet we would never sas her back! She had the most remarkable aim with those shoes of hers; if you were doing something you shouldn't....BAM! You would catch a shoe to the back of the head. You would turn around, and she would be quite a distance away, telling you to bring her shoe back. My Mom and Auntie Ann used to travel with her to the doctors when she was getting real sick, near the end; that was real hard on us kids, that were close to her.

Now to adress the slimy-ness that is nutsio.
Nunsik....I don't get you! I asked reasonable, honestly sincere, and polite questions of the hollywood generation, regarding the treatment they allowed themselves to be subjected to; and you bit my head of! Yet you come on here and call them crazy("mentally ill or you all are a few Cokes short of a six pack"). and condemn them and act all high and mighty. What was it you said?....("Wow you all need your damn heads examined!"). Well, if you were ever at the cult; then you are talking about yourself, as well; and if you weren't ever at the cult....then be gone! You claim that Holly(hey cuz, call me...or I will call you--Jayden is walking now)and I are ruining the posts, and picking fights; and yet we never said anything as mean-spirited and downright nasty as you do.

I have come to the conclusion that you are two faced, spiteful, arrogant, mean, rude, and...you are really an alamo supporter who is posting on this board, under cover, so that you can try to cause division and strife. I publicly apologize to Nikki rodriguez(or whatever last-name she is going by nowadays)for assuming that you were her; in doing so, I insulted and offended her. I am glad to know that I was wrong, about her. I don't know who you are, nor do I really care(I was curious, yes...)now that I have seen a glimpse of the real you. I hope that you are not someone I know(a friend, or fellow "kid" who grew up there)as you have become an extreme dissapointment to your mother, and have sullied your father's name. In closing....GO P!$$ UP A ROPE!...AND SPIT IN THE WIND!

[wilma]

Thanks Bill for sharing your knowledge of the Dallas Catalog fiasco. All I could remember from that scene was Tony bragging (his usual style) about what a great scheme he had thought up and how it was going to make millions of dollars for the church. Then when it was unsuccessful he blamed Kitchener. That was another pattern for Tony....if something went wrong he ALWAYS blamed the brothers (and sisters). He never took any personal responsibility for things that he caused to go wrong. The hard earned money that was lost meant nothing to him cause he wasn't the one who slaved out in the fields for it. Easy come, easy go, for him.

Now if something good happened, he took credit even though he was not involved. I remember when Ray Arauz and Sonny Brubach received a Citizen's of the Year award out in L.A. for saving a woman's life by pulling her out of a burning car. When they first interviewed the brothers and the initial news story appeared in the paper neither of them had mentioned Tony at all. Well, let me tell you, Tony rebuked them publicly for not attributing that heroic event and sacrifice to Tony. So, in the Fnd magazine you will see a picture of Ray and Sonny receiving an award but they say "Tony and Sue always taught us to help people in need." Here these guys risk their lives to save a woman and then Tony turned around and reamed them for being ungrateful and not mentioning him or giving him any glory. LOL Tony is such a jealous, insecure little man.
Susie G

[weaned_child]

Yo, Christo, that last post by Nuncio did come off a bit weird. Hope we aint dealing with a forked tongue or mabe a forked head (two posters for the price of one, a definite trick used by Tony Alamo's team) either way the tone in that last post by Nuncio was way out the wazzoo

(Message edited by weaned_child on July 11, 2006)

[rich_hydell]

so i may have told u my first job was pickups ....well ill tll some other pickup stories ... but one day john hartshorn was put on pickups because he could drive the steak bed ... so me him and jim hunt head out to the vally to jump in garbage cans ,we knew when the cottage cheese was being tossed ... the yogert ... etc ... so im not more then 4 or 5 months old in the lord so im a bit of a pickup greenhorn ...so john comes up with this new idea he will drop me at one can jim at another store and he would go to another ...to max out our garbage run .. well this is the day john had decided to leave the foundation ... so here i am looking like a bowery bum covered in un known jusies etc so im waitin and waiting finally after about three hours i relize oh johnny boy is not comming back .. so of course i dont even have a dime for the phone . so i decide to panhandle to get my dime ... well i ask this old lady for a dime .. she looks at me and keeps walking stops turns around and takes out a dime and says u know u really should get a job and hands me my dime, as she is about to walk away i say well u should get right with god, dont u know jesus is comming back to earth and ur going to hell ... i swear she looked like she wanted to take that dime right out of my hand .but she just shuk her head and kept walking .. so i call and they send a truck to get me and jim .. we pull to the back of the store and their is jim sitting in the garbage with a shoe box he had made into a guitar with rubber bands it was just such a funny moment ... another time i find this vein of cottage cheese so i run to the truck for a box and i see this bum about to reach into the can to get one, so i run back throw my arm across his chest and say ... hay thats gods food buddy get lost .... after i thought about it later on and just shook my head ....lol

[hollydolly]

nuncio is on neither side he just likes to <font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font>..........this person knows nothing about the foundation possibly has read up on it enough to not blow his cover but this person is bipolar and ignorant..........

[rich_hydell]

chris ,,, dont give a ratts arse ...keep ur posts comming .. this thread is about our memories good or bad ...i have some bad .. they will get on at some point but for now a good laugh never hurt anyone ... i know u get it chris ....thanks for ur feeling on maurillia ... rich

[hollydolly]

oh boy chris you are in for it now that your offspring is really movin! lololol send me new pics biatch

[habadasher]

I was at the Alamo of Nashville when the Dallas catalog started up. What a joke that was. We did'nt even have the stuff that was in the catalog in stock if somebody ordered out of it. To be involved with that fiasco in any way was totally vexing, from start to finish. What a joke!! The catalog was a joke and it took a long time to get it the way Tony wanted it. There is a whole lot more too taking those kind of orders than just racking the money in. I hated that seen and my head was totally torked out trying to figure out what was this mess all about?? Then all the catalogs I vaigly remember got destroyed?? Talk about confusion. Susan had just died too.

[habadasher]

Rich that pickups story made me laugh. Its something that we can look back on those experiances now.

[raining]

The Dallas Catalog- those words brought back some boring memories. Tony turned the old Alamo of Alma, which was located across the street from the raunt into the call center. He had about 20 phones put in and several of us sisters were schedules to go for hours and answers the phones to take "Dallas Catalog" orders. I remember being excited on my way to the 1st opening day of being a phone answerer. That excitment faded quickly - how boring sitting there for hours without the phone ringing 1 time! Wait the phone rang one time! Sorry wrong number!

What a waste of our hard earned money! Tony is and always was a big loser- a legend in his own mind!

[raining]

The blue dresses - now we were cool walking down hollywood blvd in those long, hot dresses! A true fashion statement! lol

Who would have thought that just a few years later we would be wearing bathing suits at the foundation pool on Georgia ridge, that was more my style! Swimming with the kids- that was fun!

Remember the 2 or 3 pool parties after Sunday afternoon services! Every now and then there was some fun at the slave labor camp

[raining]

The "snowball fight at Saugus 5", that was so much fun! It was a blast slingling those snowballs at the bros! Chasing each other around - pelting each other with snowballs, what child like fun it was. The rebuke that came down from Susie was horrific. Something like she was going to warn the bros not to want to marry any of the "ONES" who were involved in this ungodly, unchristian event, how shameful on our parts to have been tricked by satan into such disgrace!

Then a few years later we are all at the Alamo raunt where Susie gets Tony up to sing Elvis songs. Susie goes around to all the sisters and tells them to stand up and scream and pretend to faint! That was as much fun as the snowball fights! Lots of the bros &amp; sisters together just having good ol fun!

[raining]

4 little words! bad spot cherry tomatoes!

[smitty]

I remember the first time we were at the pool and the sisters were there in their new bathing suits (pickd out by Susie of course). Sisters, please don't take this wrong, but I thought the swimsuits were the most unflattering, dowdy styles imaginable! The one exception was Barbara Wood (before she married Tony C.) She had on a nice one-piece that literaly turned every bros head there!

Also before the pool parties myself and a few other brothers in the choir would change into our swimsuits ahead of time and then put the choir robes over them so we could make a fast getaway after services!

[raining]

yes Tom those 1st bathing suits were gross, but they were better than those long blue dresses we used have to wear while passing out tracts on Santa Monica beach! The suits did get better over the next several years!

[habadasher]

Yea, J.R. Euwing, I did'nt even know who the guy was!? Who cares! HYPE HYPE

[no_stoppin_me]

Wait a minute...Didnt the bating suits get out-lawed too? I remember we had to go swimming in shorts and a shirt when I was a kid. Susie probably knew that TA would be lusting after the young girls if she allowed them to wear bathing suits. Come on, once a perv always a perv.

[habadasher]

The sisters looked extremly uncomfortable in those nice polyester suits witnessing on the sandy beach! Ha Ha You did not have to worry about anyone flirting with you thats for sure!! And you better not murmur!! The brothers did not have it any better believe me. I think people just looked at us like we was from another planet. I always thought those hary krishna people looked wierd and here we were in those suits!!

[bill_l]

As for the passing of Maurilla cervantez Romero . I was in Miami when ernie died actually I was in deenys picking up ina and that is where he died. and maurilla was my fruit I witnessed to her and brought her into the church. And am very upset since I heard of her death. She was an awsome sister and she really loved God. Thats my story and I am sticking to it.

[rich_hydell]

sisters in bathing suits ... hummmm let me think about that ....ut oh i going to hell ... lol ... rich

[raining]

Maurilla was awesome and she loved the Lord. sad to say there were those who always picked on her and her kids. I loved Maurilla very much. I also loved Carlos,Miguel,David &amp; Gabby! Maurilla was my dear friend and I know she is with the Lord!

Sue B

[raining]

After Susie was gone tony started changing all kinds of things.

The poor brothers who slaved away building those buildings in the heat of the day no longer could remove their shirts??? Talk about tormenting someone!

[raining]

I'm sure all of us could tell truths about phoney baloney telling you do something, and then when it was completed he would blast ya and say he never told you to do that! If you did happen to have a copy of the tape with his instructions on it, then he would kick you out of the foundation before he would admit he was wrong! Even if it meant separating you from your spouse and children,family and beloved friends.

I think on early Crescent Heights and Saugus- the brotherly love and unity the brothers and sisters had one for another when T&amp;S weren't around. Little by little we all became like them in one way or another, all the while thinking we were doing what the Lord wanted us to do. I am so glad that the Lord delivered me from Tony Alamo and his version of the lord.

[rich_hydell]

talk about poor brothers .. i dont know about u sisters .. but lets talk about lust baby ...ah the taboo subject .. well i joined when i was 18 ... and all i can say is before i joined i did pritty good in the girl dept .. so here i am in this place were if u look at a women to lust .. well come on ...hell .. so it was not easy ... first of all to all the second gen group if your mom name comes up well what can i say ... mary jane .. i asked her to marrie me two months after i was their .. i thought ok i dont know her but it will save an awafull lot of prayer time ... so i go to tony he says ask her and im so shot down ...oh man so i say forget it thats the last time ill do that so i never married their ...me and angelo would sit and say well slim pickens huh this is 1978 when most of the sisters were gone ...so barbi severallie comes to services in this little tank top a minni skirt ,,, come on ,back to the prayer room .. debbie tanner walking by bouncing like a bowl of jello .. back again ... did some one saY barbra wood .. her last name says it all .. lol ...and janet puff ... so cute .. and simon gets her ... that sucked...then i told sue about the crew from orange county .. pam , the one with the long hair that bob miller married and one other one man they got scopped up so quick ... ge ge ...yea those cute cheeks.. jennie another with a body that could kill ...yo yo yo ...what can i say if i left any of u sistas out well ur all on the list ok .... it wasent just me im sure but many more bros .i think the sexual side of the whole thing is a seinfeld waiting to happen. so anyone care to comment ??? rich

[redeemed_9131970]

Speaking of Barbie (Calagna)Wood, I remember a particular time in the early 70’s when Barbie and I were paired up to go witnessing on Hollywood Blvd.

In those days all the individual 2/3 man (crews that made up a day time witnessing chain were assigned a specific ‘break’ time to hoof-it down to the Foundation Thrift Shop located on Vine for one 15-minute refreshment break during that crew’s 6-hour witnessing stint. That was the only break out of six hours to be had.

The adhered to ‘witnessing route’ extended from just beyond Grauman’s Chinese Theater close to Hollywood Blvd. and Highland Avenue (who could ever forget the Hollywood pick-up’ spot where ‘guests’ were offered a free bus or van ride to the nightly 8 O’clock services in Saugus) to Hollywood and Vine. So wherever you were on the ‘Blvd’ you needed to time your location with however long it would take you to be at the thrift shop in time for your 15-min. break because if you missed your break, that’s exactly what happened <u>you missed your break!</u>

(Supposedly the Lord wouldn’t give you an ‘open-door’ to witness to that would cause you to miss your break which on many occasions made for some irritation between the crew members if one member of the crew was still witnessing to a soul when it was time to head for their break. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/angry.gif)

So Barbie and I happened to be running just a little late for our break and when we got to Vine we broke out running down the street with great speed cause the thrift shop was about 4 or 5 blocks down from Hollywood.

Half way down the street we spot this unattended big dog on the sidewalk, so we immediately slow down to a leisurely paced walk so as not to attract the dog’s attention. This is decision was definitely eating into our valuable ‘break’ time the clock was already ticking, but clearly there was no other option.

We walked past the dog very calm and collected, and once we got about a half a block away, we broke out running at full speed again. After we had run about a block, both Barbie and I decided at the same time to look back in the dog’s direction as we ran, only to see this monstrous dog bounding towards us faster than we were going to be able to get to the safety of the thrift shop. We froze in our tracks and simultaneously I felt Barbie’s fingernails meet together some where in the middle of my upper arm. We stood there in shock with that dog lunging about 4 feet away from us, when out of nowhere, I heard a cry shriek forth from my throat “the Blood of Jesus against you, satan!!!” with tremendous power and authority – to be honest, at first, I had no earthly idea where that sound had come from, then it began to sink in, it had come from me. <u>Praise God!!!</u>

I’m telling you that dog bounced HARD right into the street as if he had hit a plate glass window between him, and us, and then he started nosing around in the curb as if that was what he had been doing all along. I mean he paid no attention to us at all – NADA – as if we were invisible to him!

We then walked carefully and quickly toward the thrift shop to get out of harms way, and last but not least, to be able to catch the tail end of our hard earned break.

That’s a memory I’ll never forget! PRAISE THE WONDERFUL NAME OF JESUS!!!

cp – Redeemed: 9/13/1970

[no_stoppin_me]

Hey wasn't if fun slipping and sliding on the green algae that would grow in the pool because we got the water from the "plant" in Alma and didnt get get it chlorinated???

Oh yeah, and spending the morning picking off the June bugs from the netting in the pool, so we could go in it later.

Ohhh the memories!!!

[raining]

Richard
here is my comment - you are truthful and put it in a humorous way - i know you were not the only one. We were all in our late teens &amp; early 20's . I think all can admit we spent prayer time over that subject- some more than others!

yes - sisters in bathing suits - but i don't remember any brothers in speedo's !

While susie was alive the pool was maintained everyday by Mike B- it was beautiful and crystal clean &amp; chlorinated. The beginning of the ridge was beautiful - while all you kids were young. Movies in the pink building, fishing in the pond, health food cooked specially for you. Little by little that all changed and the beautiful children were now growing up and tony saw them as his slaves, taking away their very childhood. Going to the candy building, setting rhinestones in the sewing room - whatever tony's whim was at the moment, became a way of life for all of us - young and old.

[no_stoppin_me]

Yeah Rich, you can imagine how the Bros felt when the "kids" started getting into their teenage years and by this time they (the bros) hadn't had any female sexual pleasure in like, oh say 15 years. Well needless to say "The Lord is telling me to ask you marry me" was rampant!!! LOL

[rich_hydell]

raining ... brothers in speedos .. i almost fell off my chair .. my 4 year old said dad what are u laughfig at so hard .. thanks for that ,,,, rich

[raining]

I'm glad I made you laugh! One has to have a sense of humor with all the stuff we've gone through in our life time.

gotta get going - later all

[redeemed_9131970]

We used to have 'Summer Olympics' for all the kids and it really was great fun for kids and adults alike. What a blessing for anyone being able to participate in putting together all manner of challenging sports for the kids to compete against one another sometimes as teams and sometimes as individuals.

Anyone remember the relay race held from the Brothers' Dorm on the freeway side all the way up and over the paved ridge road to the Brothers' Dorm on the Rock Gate side?

There were two teams made up of every kid in the foundation from the oldest to the youngest that could so much as toddle. The excitement that was built around that race was so contagious that any grown-ups on the ridge that day when it was getting under way made a bee-line to watch it go down from start to finish!

The older kids had to race against one another on the steep portions of the road and as the road got less steep the younger ones ran that segment until they were at the flat part of the road (on top of the ridge by the office and cafeteria) where even the toddlers 'run' their ‘leg’of the race; each kid had a turn at passing the 'baton' to the next one in their respective lines until, like falling dominos, the race was run and done!

No one can deny those times were good and so needful! Too bad satan worked his show ‘til anything that resembled fun got fazed out…

cp - Redeemed: 9/13/1970

(Message edited by redeemed_9131970 on July 11, 2006)

[iasmann]

Speaking of Hartshorn, I can still hear him telling me to jump in the stream immediately if I tripped and fell while carrying the spotlight on night watch.

We had rigged up a car batttery in a backpack to power the floodlight we used for "grounds check" on night watch. We took turns wearing it. No one wanted to wear the back pack but everyone wanted to be in control of the spotlight. I pulled a lot of watches with Hartshorn. Everytime I put on the backpack he would tell me the same thing. If you trip and any battery acid spills on you jump in the stream right away.

[iasmann]

I remember one morning coming up the hill at Saugus one after a grounds check. It was around 6 AM and it was just getting light. Streit was out burning garbage in the incinerator. We heard this big BOOM and a perfect mushroom cloud came out of the chimney of the incinerator. It was about 10 feet wide and it looked exactly like a mini atomic bomb. We ran over to the garbage area and here was Streit with his face all black and singed. Someone had thrown an aerosol can in the garbage and he hadn't seen it. Boy was he mad.

I think there was even a rule made about throwing away aerosol cans because of it.