Desperate Crossing [Archive]

smitty

11-21-2006, 04:18 AM

Well...This one is going to get rather involved, and I may well end up upsetting a lot of folks, but here goes....
Firstly, I was saved 8 mos. before I joinned the T&SACF and I also recieved what I took for the Baptism in the Holy Sprit before I joined as well. One of the things that always needeled me at the back of my mind was that I never saw a manifestation of the Spirit whether of Tongues or Prophesy that matched up with what I read in the New Testament. I myself thought that God directly spoke to me to join that place. I'm not saying that God does not send His Sprit to do miraculous works thru His people, I just don't think that the "Baptism" as we call it, matches up with the New Testiment record. A lot of what I have seen I belive is attributed to building up an intense emotional state and indulging in emotional self-deception. There, I said it. Saying it, I still consider ALL my Brothers and Sisters in Christ who belive in a seperate Sprit "infilling" to be my Brothers and Sisters in Christ indeed. Another reason I like the Presbyterian church is for it's reliance on Scripture for guidance and for it's adoption of Calvinist/Reform theology.
When we were in the Foundation, we were told all about how we were the strongest Christians in history, we were Joel's Army, We were the few, the humble, the Foundation! In truth, after I left and started going back to church I had no idea how spritualy starved we were. There was no real teaching there by Tony or Sue. The only things that stuck to me were taught to me by word and example by Brothers who cared enough to take the time to teach. Whenever Tony or Sue taught there was no system to it, nothing to help you sort out what the Scriptures said, it was only "Tony (or Sue) said:" A long time ago at a house meeting Tony tried to take a little time to read and teach to all of us (in Saugus) and Bob Coulter asked an honest question regarding the first chapt. of Genesis. Tony openly made fun of him over the pulpit and almost everyone else joined in laughing at him instead of patiently answering his honest question. The fact is, we had NO teaching from Tony or Sue, only their opinions which could (and did) change whenever it suited them.
Was the Foundation a move of God? ABSOLUTLY!! ( And the whole Congregation shouts........)I feel the reason was God's Word will not return to him void, and everyone there was so innocent, so full of zeal, and so wanting to spread the Word that the Lord crowned our efforts, as all you old timers well know.

I hope this answers your question Becca,and I hope I made some sense out of my decisions.Peace and God Bless to you and all my Brothers and Sisters

carolfryer

11-21-2006, 06:09 PM

Smitty, that may have offended me at one point in my life, but God showed me that to a great degree that is true about feelings. Many people that recieve the baptism of the spirit tend to rely on the results and try to duplicate the actions repeatedly to get those results. John 15 says abide in Him and you will get the fruit and the results. So the results are from living in an abiding state in the vine. I do beleive that the whole chapter discribes what it means to abide also.
I do see all denominations as opinions. Not sure how this will sit with some. All denominations lift up certains points in the bible they want to focus on and the rest becomes secondary in their teachings....some things what they like and others what they dislike. I was just telling that to some Jehovah Witnesses this morning...lol.
I have always had people well indoctrinated into their church try to tell me that I missunderstood God...like God couldnt communicate with me Himself. To a great degree all denominations have the potential to become the foundation. We all have that potential...or we can strive to abide and reflect the nature of God...2 Peter 1:4
Happy Thanksgiving precious family of mine in Christ.

smitty

11-21-2006, 07:36 PM

Happy Thanksgiving to you also Carol. I agree w/ you about denominations as opinions. The Word of God is what it is and it's when we give first place to doctrine or theology instead of the Word that the problems arise. One of the things I have been most thankful for every day is the ability to talk with the rest of my brothers and sisters that I missed for so long. Praise God!

beccasue1975

11-21-2006, 08:58 PM

One thing I know for sure is, you can't change a person's mind. I fully and completely believe in the moving of Holy Spirit. He is as real and living as the Father and the Son and He is as active. God has NOT stopped speaking through His ambassador, our comforter, here on earth. When invited, the Holy Spirit does indeed move powerfully. I have been a part of MIGHTY moves and have seen with my own eyes deaf ears opened and blind eyes opened and tumors disapear and lame people get up and walk. Also I have witnessed a REAL prophet speaking the heart of God. Most people who are Christians are happy to experience the Father and the Son but they leave out the precious and powerful Holy Spirit. To those people I can say only that you have absolutely NO idea what you are missing.
Bec

anchored

11-21-2006, 09:44 PM

I absolutely agree Bec!

When I got saved I felt the Spirit touch me (some do, some don't but they still know they're saved) and then about a month later after seeking every day for the Baptism of the Holy Ghost and I was by myself, I said this great big long sentence in another language and then immediately after, I said it all over again exactly the same. I knew I couldn't do that all over again exactly if it had not been given to me from God. That really increased my faith. I could hear that every word was exactly the same and it was God's way of letting me know that I had received it and that it was a separate experience. At least for me it was. I have heard of others who received it right at the time they were saved.

Anyway, the manifestation of it is that one does speak in another language or tongues of angels and it's your soul praying for the things that we know not what we should pray for but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

Don't want to get into a dispute with anyone about this either, like you said, everyone will think what they will. I'm just telling what happened to me and all I know is that it did happen. I thank the Lord every day for it.

carolfryer

11-22-2006, 12:49 AM

Becca and anchored, I agree with you both and have experienced this wonderful thing too. I also have seen demons and also felt angels while my pastor saw the angels at the same time. I felt as though they were filling me with a spirit of praise. And I remember when I was first filled with the Holy Spirit I was so curious about the toungues and what it meant, but one day my mother heard me praying and wasnt even a christian, and said she understood most of what I said...It was in Latin and she was brought up by nuns in a convent orphanage. That boosted my faith also. I have seen miracles of the sun increasing its size, Ive had my little girls instantly healed from severe asthma. We can take on the nature of the universe of God around us the more we tap into Him. Hes opened that door to us. Im amazed. And it has little to do with emotions but produces such incredible emotions. Love, Joy, peace, etc. Fruit yet emotions are the result. I still remember like it was yesterday what I felt like before Jesus revealed Himself to me. I was the most misserable person I ever knew. His mercies are so wonderful.

brother_d

11-22-2006, 03:05 AM

Thanks for saying that Smitty. That takes real strength, and it was a long time after I was delivered from that cult that I had the ability to look at what had been forced on me and what I'd been doing and put it into perspective, and compare it to what the Bible actually taught and what I'd really experienced. I reserve judgement on what others hold to, but personally, I have never seen anyone healed, although I sure would like to. I also think that what is described in the Book of Acts was a one time event to show the glory of God, not the jibberish of someone shouting in your face in a smelly prayer room. Do you remember listening to people in the prayer room when they were "praying in tongues"? Sometimes they would be nodding off or just nonchalantly pacing and coming off with these "languages". I'm not saying the Lord doesn't reveal himself to people and they can feel him, and I've certainly seen lives changed, but don't let anyone tell you how the Spirit is supposed to be manifest. I hope this doesn't offend anyone, but I have to be honest. Keep posting. I find all (well, most) of these posts edifying.

jackrussell

11-22-2006, 04:45 AM

Love hearing a lot of the ex members trials, triumphs and experiences. The tongues question?

For real, for sure, however subsequent to inception, so very often user friendly just in the flesh and either no results or results unknown. When you think of it any language, though taken for granted by us humans, are 'words,' a miracle of potential eternal life in and of itself, i.e., very nature of word, of course, by the 'Word of Life.' He blew his very breath into us and we can speak and voice words, language. Quite incredible, don't ya think!

The jackrussell would love to formulate his barks and whines into articulate and progressive communication(words), but try as he may, he just can't. Words, tongues, or just about anything can be used or ab-used. Self justifying or self condemning. Along with the blessing of 'words' comes also great responsibility.
Even knowing that the Bible is set forth as the rule book and map, too often private interpretation becomes judgemental, and missapplied. Tony was famous at doing that, to keep the reign of terror, that is when he was still able to hade his sins. But now he is so far out of wack, he is likened to the proverbial 'foot out of joint'(be nice to put him all back in the Joint, lol), and one has to be likeminded now to accept what he has to say as gospel, or of any benefit to anyone but himself. Just my observations.

beccasue1975

11-22-2006, 10:56 AM

This is a really good thread! re: tounges of angels: Speaking in tounges is not neccessarily speaking in an angels tounge. Certainly that is a language and many people, when praying in the Holy Spirit, do speak in angel's tounges, however, there are MANY languages!

My pastor was teaching about the Baptism in the Holy Spirit only last Sunday. He was telling us about when he was recieved that awesome gift. He was raised Menanite Omish and in that religion they do not believe in speaking in tounges. They believe that, that gift was given way back then so God could prove himself, but that the gift of tounges is not for this time period. Anyway, when he was 15, he was invited to this "Holy roller, crazy church" and they were teaching that night on the gift of the Holy Spirit. He talked about how skepticle he was and how when they had the alter call for anyone who wanted this gift, to come forward, he went forward but went and hid in a corner and got real low on his knees so no one would see him. He tells how he said to God, You know, IF this gift is real... if this is of You, and from You, and by You, then please reveal Yourself to me. Fill me. I want this gift, IF it is for real." Then he tells about how His mennonite, Omish friend who couldn't even speak regular english very well, starts speaking in PERFECT spanish. (My pastor took spanish from 7th grade al through high school) He said the friend of his of course had NO clue what he was saying, but the boy was pryaing for his future... he was praying over his 5 children (who, by the way he did not even have at the time... he was only like 15) and he was praying over his farm (which he also did not have) and he telling God in this unknown tounge that he would serve Him all the days of his life. And he was praying for his wife, who by the way, was standing in the back of the room, and who he was not interested in at the time. My pastor was telling us how the man started speaking in perfect Spanish then went on to Italian and some other language but it was all in perfect dialect and annunciation. My pastor told us how he was standing there understanding every word and weeping. Then he was filled in the same way his friend was..........

I have heard several awesome stories similar to this. Once I witnessed someone, in a church setting, recieve a Word from God in another language and then someone else in the room stood up who understood the language perfectly and they "translated". I only tell these things to confirm that the gift of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit ir REAL and it IS for this time. I think, now more than ever we need the physical proof of the Holy Spirit.

Bec

marcel

11-22-2006, 11:09 AM

Thanks Bec

brother_d

11-22-2006, 11:46 AM

BeccaSue -

If what you describe is real, I would say that it is in line with what the apostles witnessed at Pentecost. When someone is speaking in tongues, one should be there to interpret, or else the first someone should keep silent. God manifests himself in tongues for the edification of the Church, not for the speaker. I'm a doubter on everything, so if I don't get some sort of affirmation, I assume that the activity is someone else's attempt to position him/herself into something where they have no business going. My position is, if God wants to move, let him, but don't try to impose your interpretation of things on what God is trying to do and muddy things up. If God is speaking, I'll listen. If it's just someone who wants to hear himself make noise, well I'll let him preach to himself.

brother_d

11-22-2006, 12:17 PM

Bottom line is...in any language, Tonee would still be a jerk.

anchored

11-22-2006, 02:28 PM

Like I said I'm not here to turn this into a bicker board or to dispute with others over doctrine. I said what I said and that's what happened to me.

I learned a lot at the foundation, some bad, some good. I don't have to start over, I know what the Lord said in His Word and I know what the Lord has shown me and I have seen the Holy Ghost manifested in many places since the Lord delivered me from Tony Alamo's cult.

I don't agree with a lot of the things said on this thread but am not going to argue back and forth with anyone because then that is what the board would turn into.

I like most others here want to keep the focus where it belongs and that is on the atrocities of Tony Alamo because that IS what this forum is about.

anchored

11-22-2006, 03:37 PM

Bec

I really enjoyed reading those testimonies of how the Holy Spirit moves and edifies people and sometimes in a way that we least expect it and how everyone present receives faith and hope and encouragement. It definitely is real. There are many times I have seen people healed and restored and everyone goes away with more faith, hope and courage, peace and comfort.

Thanks for sharing those things.

hollydolly

11-22-2006, 04:59 PM

brother_d...........I too would be hesitant to believe that people today can speak in tongues,I think about all the kids and even adults in the foundation that abused it and paraded it around during prayer hour.......completely ridiculous if you ask me. The reason I believe it truly exists today is because God blessed me with it only once when I was 8 years old. I guess at that time everyone was "seeking for the baptism" so it was on my mind and I was young enough to be optimistic about the whole thing. Anyway I begged my mother to take me to the little chapel next to the cafeteria one night when I knew not many people would be there seeing I was pretty shy. As far as actually knowing I was speaking in tongues you'd have to ask my mother about that part all I remember is praying then a blank spot then looking at my mother! lol the two of us had the most astonished looks on our faces! but the part I remember most as we were walking home is the utter joy and fulfillment I felt as if I was on top of the world!! I must have been filled with the spirit when I look back on it now........it was amazing and only that one time....perhaps because I was too young to really allow the gift to be used or maybe it doesn't work that way maybe you don't speak in tongues all the time all I know is it happened to me.

beccasue1975

11-22-2006, 05:14 PM

The thing about speaking in tongues in any kind of a public place is that unless there is an interpreter present it does not benefit ANYONE except for the one speaking. It is simply the Holy Spirit praying the perfect will of the Father for that person.... Unless it is used to edify the church body.

In the church, when we would take prayer hours, I don't think it was about parading around showing off the gift as much as it was the prayer room was our individual prayer closets.... only we shared with every one else. The Jews have it right when they put that prayer shawl over their heads... they are making their own individual prayer closet, even in public.

The gift of speaking in tongues is not all mystical and spooky ookie like the world portrays it to be. It is very simple. It is a free gift that the God longs to give us. The apostle Paul simply laid hands on believers and they immediately were filled with the Holy Ghost (better rendered as Holy Guest) with the evidence of speaking with other tongues. God is not going to ever take someone's tongue and wag it in their head for them and make them speak a different language. It takes belief, willingness, and obedience also.

Speaking in tongues is only one of MANY gifts that are available. I deeply desire the best gifts (there is nothing wrong with that according to the Bible). I have tasted a small portion and it left me hungry for more.

I realize that some would rather that all we talk about is Tony but I think if a group of adults want to talk about different aspects of cult life before and after then I say we can do that. There were MANY aspects to living cult life. One aspect was a very real spiritual thing that we experienced both while there and for some since coming out.

Bec

hollydolly

11-22-2006, 05:43 PM

I don't believe speaking in tongues is meant to edify anyone but God! why would God give a gift that we can't understand? its meant to praise him directly not other congregation members. Becca I don't know when you left the church but there definitely was "fakers" when it came to the prayer hours. I don't know about you but I sure as heck wouldn't trust an "interpreter" to tell me the words God put in my mouth.

beccasue1975

11-22-2006, 06:36 PM

Holly,

This is good. I'm so glad that you are posting your true beliefs. I'm not going to try to change your mind, but I do want to give you some food for thought by giving you information.

In I Corinthians 14 it talks all about the gifts of the Holy Spirit, specifically the Baptism of the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues. Speaking in tongues does NOT edify God. God doesn't need to be edified. We do. That is why He sent His Spirit to comfort us and pray through us, because we are humans and most of the time we do not know what to pray for ourselves (a lot of times we pray and do not receive because we ask amiss, or we ask selfish things and we ask things that are not the will of God. James 4:3) So when we pray, speaking in tongues (not in a church setting) we edify, or uplift, or re-build our own selves. We pray the will of God for our selves.

When the Holy Spirit comes upon someone in a church setting, and they are given a word from the Lord in tongues it is done for several reasons. Now I can understand why you say you wouldn't want to believe or trust someone for a translation of a word form the Lord. I agree, where we came from there were fakers, liars, and people who manipulated the gifts of the Spirit for their own benefit and for their own ego's sake. The Lord uses simple things to confound us... you don't get any more simple than speaking. It is the most basic thing that any of us does. Even an infant has basic communication skills. When someone from another country or another background comes in a church setting, and maybe they don't believe in God, or maybe they do believe but they are down and need edification the Holy Spirit does some times use the gift of tongues to bring them a word. He uses a person who has never spoken that language or who has NO idea what they are saying because then the person is forced to acknowledge that the word spoken was not brought by human flesh, but by the Spirit of the Lord, Himself. It edifies and lifts up and exhorts the body. When that kind of thing happens in a public setting it forces everyone to give glory to God. It takes the focus and sets it directly on God. God does not want to share His glory with any man (or woman). That is why I believe He uses UNKNOWN language. When we pray with our consciousness and with our educated minds we mess things up.

Speaking in tongues is not intended to praise God directly, although we are to give Him all the praise, honor, and glory for all things, because He ALONE is worthy. We are to praise God with our whole beings. Sometimes we give Him the sacrifice of praise, for example: when all hell is breaking loose and we don't want to praise Him, but we still choose to praise Him that is a precious sacrifice to God.

Posted by hollydolly on Wednesday,
November 22, 2006 - 11:43 am:

I don't believe speaking in tongues is meant to edify anyone but God! why would God give a gift that we can't understand? its meant to praise him directly not other congregation members.
Becca, I don't know when you left the church but there definitely was "fakers" when it came to the prayer hours. I don't know about you but I sure as heck wouldn't trust an "interpreter" to tell me the words God put in my mouth.

rich_hydell

11-22-2006, 07:31 PM

HAPPY THANKS GIVING TO ALL ...THATS BOTHS SIDES OF THIS ...ONE THING I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IS THAT EVERYONE KEEP THEIR MUSLUM ,CHRISTION , JEWISH ...WHATEVER BULL TO YOUR SELVES ...SPEAKING IN TOUNGS ...GIVE ME A BREAK ....I LOVE MY PATH TO HELL ...ITS FUN ....LIKE SUE SAID ITS ABOUT UR HEART ...SO GET DRUNG ..GET LAID ..HAVE A SOME PUNKEN PIE ....HAY I GOT THE TRUTH ITS OVER HERE .NO IYS ITS OVER THEIR ......ISNT THAT WHAT GOT PEOPLE INTO THIS CRAP ....HUH ....FAMILY AND LOVED ONES ...THAT WHAT ITS ALL ABOUT ....PEACE ...LOVE ....FROM MY MIND TO YOURS ....R

carolfryer

11-22-2006, 08:45 PM

I agree Jack Russell, we are so accountable for everything God gives us. It can indeed be used or abused.
Holly God has let me taste many gifts also only one time just to show me it was real probably so I wouldnt condemn others about it. And I know a gift certainly doesnt keep someone from walking in their flesh. Its abiding in Jesus that produces that fruit. Focusing on the source and not the result.
Becca, that was a wonderful explaination, thank you.

rich_hydell

11-22-2006, 08:51 PM

bla bla bla...i know what the bible means .do u have the truth do i have the truth ...how about marlyn manson ...huh .....bla bla bla ....get a life ..happy thanks giving ..holly and chris ...i hate the fact net its a load ....again happy healthy thanksgiving to both sides .....another world jam ....

hollydolly

11-22-2006, 08:56 PM

hey rich wish me luck up on the roof today! lol

saved_21570

11-22-2006, 08:57 PM

Holly, Becca,and all;

These last couple of weeks have been really wonderful on the board with minimal interjections from the dark side.

Keep it up.

I remmember to this day the night that I recieved the Holy Ghost. The only way I can describe it is that it literally felt like a river going from the depths of my soul right to God and back.

One of the things that happened at the foundation was that there was pressure to receive this gift. If you did not receive it you were made to feel like somehow it was you. (Kind of like going to a healing service and being told you weren't healed because of lack of faith.) I think that is why some people are jaded, and others faked it.

Richard, I hope you and yours have a Happy Thankgiving too. I want to remind you of something. You and I came to the T&SACF of our own free will. We chose to give our lives, our strength, and our resources to the ministry. We were betrayed and the rest is history. When we left we left of our own will.

These girls (Becca, Holly, and the other X-memeber kids who post) never had that freedom.

Just as you and I have much in common, (from pick-ups, and break downs to the cave at #2, etc.), so they have things in common too.

It is not fair of us to disrupt their conversation with things intended to offend. If they want to talk about something let them. Most of their youth was spent with people trying to control them. That seems to be what your last post was trying to do.

If you are enjoying your path to hell, than enjoy it as long as you can. If they want to talk about tha Lord then let them.

If it's something you don't want to hear just skip over it. I do that all the time.

Anyway, I hope you have lots of turkey and stuffing, and maybe some pumkin pie. Be thankful we don't have to pluck chickens.

Tom Alford

hollydolly

11-22-2006, 09:07 PM

probably shouldn't of had that cranberry hot toddie.......lololol oh well1

rich_hydell

11-22-2006, 10:18 PM

yea i remember being in the basement at cresent hights ;;;it was so wonderful the holy ghoast spoke right through me it said bla bla ..bla bla bla ...oggie boogie ...la la la la ...yea ok ...im a born again muslam and i have the truth ......ok so get right with alaah baba.....holly have a hot toddy on me and i would love to see u up on that roof ...lololol ...be freken carefull ...sunshine ....r

beccasue1975

11-22-2006, 11:11 PM

Rich,

Do Not Grieve the Holy Spirit

Isaiah 63:10 But they rebelled, and vexed his holy Spirit: therefore he was turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them.

Matthew 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

Mark 3:28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:
29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.
30 Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.

Luke 12:10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.

Acts 5:3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.
5 And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.

Acts 5:9 Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out.
10 Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband.

Acts 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.

Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not [NKJV: do not grieve] the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

1 Thessalonians 4:8 He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man [NIV: he who rejects this instruction does not reject man], but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit.

1 Thessalonians 5:19 Quench not the Spirit.

Hebrews 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto [NKJV: insulted] the Spirit of grace?

James 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.
5 Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy [NKJV: yearns jealously]?

rich_hydell

11-22-2006, 11:44 PM

ok becca have a safe blessed thanksgiving to u and yours ...as far as the holly goast goes ...ba fongule to it ...like sue told me its a heart condition ....so that i believe in but really i just believe in yoko ....half a mile from walon ..r

bill_l

11-23-2006, 12:24 AM

Alan Here
Just recieved a message from Sherri Potts in Foulke. Here is a copy of the letter to the editor of the Texarcana Gazette from today.

TO THE EDITOR:

Please vote. I know most of you are so tired of all the information being put out about the upcoming election Nov. 28th between Terry Purvis and Cecil Smith for mayor of Fouke. Please, people, don’t give up now. We are all tired but if you don’t get out and vote, then you will deserve what you get. Tony Alamo will take over Fouke. They will have their people on the City Council, one will be on there in January because one member didn’t give enough time for anyone else to get on the council. He went on uncontested. They will get their members on the school board and eventually they will elect their own mayor.

Do you wonder why? Look at the compound Alamo has built. Look at the building materials he has stacked at the compound now. Research Alma and Dyer, Ark. Talk to some of the people there. I have. They have contacted me because of the newspaper article in the Gazette. They are all concerned and say to do everything you can to stop him.

Cecil Smith will not take a stand against them. You all know about the city street being blocked by guards. Up until October they were armed. We have tried to talk to Smith and get him to take a stand before Fouke is another Waco, but he will not. Alamo said in his broadcast that if we talk bad about his church that we have blasphemed the Holy Spirit and there is no forgiveness for that. PLEASE! People, wake up!

Sherry Potts

Texarkana, Ark.

Again, Bill and I wish all a happy Thanksgiving and hope for a better year for all, especially the good people of Fouke

bill_l

11-23-2006, 12:28 AM

Just found this on my topix forum. Thought you all would appreciate it:

Posted by PACA
Thought you might want to know, the county clerk challenged Tony Alamo's vote today. His paper work did not look right. Probably wont matter but at least he was humiliated. I bet he was stomping in his elevator shoes when he left the court house.

until_the_redemption

11-23-2006, 12:53 AM

I just found this response - you should appreciate it:

Dear Pastor Alamo,
Your World Newsletter containing God's Word is very great and very strong gospel.

Wow - I felt very comfortable reading it, and I am really glad that I found it.

I am really very thirsty for God's lord continually! Please send me more volumes of your newsletter and all future copies to my address in San Francisco, and also to my friend in Albany, Georgia. Praise the Lord. Amen! Thank you so much.
A brother in Christ,
J.R. San Francisco, California
September 2006

brother_d

11-23-2006, 01:01 AM

You might as well send him the whole warehouse full. Nobody else wants it.

bill_l

11-23-2006, 01:59 AM

Final post and I'm going home to cook a rurkey

PACA wrote:
Thou ght you might want to know, the county clerk challenged Tony Alamo's vote today. His paper work did not look right. Probably wont matter but at least he was humiliated. I bet he was stomping in his elevator shoes when he left the court house.

NEw POst in Reference above Post:
Alamo's illegal voter registration was felony perjury...be sure to push your local prosecutor to press charges. See below...

Arkansas: Local man tests system; registers to vote without pardon
An Arkansas county clerk and registrar alleges that an Arkansas man committed perjury when he failed to check the box on a voter registration application asking whether or not he spent time in prison, according to the Texarkana Gazette. Tony Alamo, who was sentenced for six years for income tax fraud was released in 1998. The voting guidebook, however, states that a convicted felon may regain the right to vote only after obtaining a pardon from the governor or after discharging a sentence. Alamo, the founder of Tony Alamo Ministries, states that he acted on the advice of an attorney and is becoming a “political football.”

Source: http://www.sentencingproject.org/fvrnews-0610...

wilma

11-23-2006, 02:01 AM

Just wanted to wish everyone a very Happy Thanksgiving Day! We who have been liberated physically and mentally from the bondage of the Alamo group have MUCH to be thankful for.

I thank God that I'll be spending the day with lots of loving family members who I have been reunited with for the past ten years, after 25 years of separation from them while in the Alamo group. I thank God for his mercies and goodness and I thank Him for many wonderful friends I made while in the Alamo group, who I still have a relationship with and who are still an important part of my life.

I thank Him for all the people on this message board who have shared their stories and who have cried out against the injustices committed by Tony Alamo against little children. I am proud to call you my friends.
SG

skeptik

11-23-2006, 02:20 AM

Happy Thanksgiving to all.

raining

11-23-2006, 02:46 AM

Hope everyone has a wonderful Thanksgiving with their families and loved ones!

I'm very thankful the Lord delivered me and my family from the clutches of Tony Bazare!

Sue B

no_stoppin_me

11-23-2006, 04:17 AM

Gotta hand it to "Until", he is the only Alamoite that hangs on in there. TA must be handing him some extra "bucks".

Have a happy turkey day, Until.

tbone_1972

11-23-2006, 09:35 PM

I, was one of the people who did recieve the baptism of the Holy Ghost.It was during one of the house meetings.The prayers were very intense, and it seemed as if everyone was contending very hard. I remember going into a zone crying out with all my heart for the Lord to give it to me now.I stopped lifting up my voice and began to lift up my heart to the lord.Not long afterwards, I could feel myself going back like a falling tree. Chairs were flying all over the place as I seemingly floated to the floor like a feather.I felt the Lord like a bolt of electricity throughout my whole body.The feeling was so wonderful, I began to cry and speak in tongues at the same time. I never wanted that feeling to leave me.I lay there on the floor trying to hold on to that moment for the remainder of the prayer meeting.I felt no pain or discomfort from the fall.It was like the Holy Spirit gently took hold of me and lay me down in heavenly bliss.I'm sure that there were a lot of people just going through the motions, because they would be speaking in tongues one moment and the next they would be in the smoking area begging for cigaretts or rolling tobacco, or in contention with someone over nonthing.When a person recieves the baptism of the Holy Spirit,you immediately begin to want that feeling to never leave you, because that's the closest you can get to God on this side of eternity.Anyone who has really recieved the baptism, truly knows exactly what I'm talking about.You Immediately become aware of the presence of God throughout your whole being, and death itself begans to fade away and you start to feel Life like never before.It's literally joy unspeakable and full of glory.Amen..Amen..and , AMEN!!!!!!