Tony Alamo Polygamist

[wilma]

Tony's justification for raping little ten year old girls and having gads of "wives" is a polygamy tract that he wrote, published, and distributed back in 1993. Some years later he was afraid the tract might get him in trouble so he ceased distribution and recalled as many of them as he could. Of course, lots of people still have them and a friend tipped me off that it's now available on the internet.

http://tapolygamy.blogspot.com/

[wilma]

An organization that educates about the dangers and abuses within polygamy is Tapestry Against Polygamy http://www.polygamy.org/

Danger signs of abuse within a polygamous relationship [and community]:
* Control over private lives: telling people where they should work; expecting attendance at multiple church services and activities, dictating decisions that should be made by the entire family.
* Manipulation of marriages: arranging for people to get married; telling women to stay in abusive home situations and accept the abuse as "correction from the Lord".
* Sexual demands: pressures to perform sexual acts through coercion.
* Threats or intimidation: threats to "take away" the husband’s attention for "wrong behavior."
* The group seems perfect: everyone agrees and follows orders cheerfully.
* The group claims to have "all the answers" to your problems.
* You begin to feel guilty and ashamed, unworthy as a person.
* The group speaks in a derogatory way about those outside the religious affiliation.
* Outsiders are defined as unable to understand and help you with religious matters.
* Males are believed to have more rights and abilities than females.
* Leadership is never shared.
* Someone frequently prefaces his or her remarks with things like "The Lord has told me."
* An authoritarian leadership that claims exclusive access to God’s will.
* Total control over members' daily lives.
* Exclusivity and isolation.
* Development of unhealthy emotional dependence.
* Prohibition of critical analysis and independent thinking.

[smitty]

I wonder how much of that he cribbed from Brigham Young or Heber Kimball

[wilma]

Smitty,
Before Tony actually took the plunge in 1993 into polygamy he sent "the brothers" to Mormon colleges to research and document the Mormon warped justification of polygamy so that he could use it to justify his lust. Of course none us peons knew that at the time. I'm sure there are some people who could fill in some more details of that.
SG

[no_stoppin_me]

There are so many things that can be said about that Polygamy "tract" and I'm sure others will discuss it. I briefly skimmed over it (much too boring to read the whole damn thing), but the one thing that stuck out to me was that Tony Phony puts himself in the same category with Moses, Abraham, David, Solomon, etc.

What a joke. And to think that all the little wives just follow him around like lost sheep, "amening" him to death.

Knowing the mind-set of being in the cult, I can see where the "sisters" would consider it an honor to be chosen as a wife or even worse, have their young daughters chosen to be one. It is so sick!

It sorta reminds me of how the people who worked in the Spec House (you know, the talking house), were looked upon. I mean you must be a real FUMA to work there, right? If you got to CLEAN Tony's house and wash his dirty underwear, wow, you hit the big time!!!

[hbananna]

This polygamy tract is disgusting! Tony Alamo has no respect for women, nor can he even conceive of their value. He is despicable! The idea that a pig like this guy could even presume to interpret the value of a woman through the words of the Bible is an outrage. And to liken himself to the apostles and prophets is ludicrous! He has broken every commandment, save murder, and continues to defy the very name of God by his abuse of His children that there is no place for him anywhere near the Father. Several of the scriptures pertain to this despot.

Proverbs 32 But whoso committeth adultery with a woman lacketh understanding: he that doeth it destroyeth his own soul.
Definition of Adultery: voluntary sexual intercourse between a married person and someone other than his or her <u>lawful</u> spouse.

Has Alamo made any of his wives, aside from Sharon, legal/lawful? NO. So he is guilty of adultery. He is in the wrong country to make any of them lawful so he is willfully breaking the laws of this land, which is also not allowed according to the Bible. He also beats the children of the women he has raped (or duped) and calls them bastards because he has thrown their fathers out of the cult, leaving them fatherless.

Exodus 22:22 Ye shall not afflict any widow, or fatherless child.
22:23 If thou afflict them in any wise, and they cry at all unto me, I will surely hear their cry;
22:24 And my wrath shall wax hot, and I will kill you with the sword; and your wives shall be widows, and your children fatherless.


Tony Alamo, your time is near! You are so old that you will meet your maker soon and you will have to answer to all of your crimes against the Lord's children. Every person, including the families, that you threw out on the streets without any means of support have cried out unto the Lord against you. Every child that you have beaten yourself or ordered to be beaten have cried out unto the Lord against you. Every child or young woman you have tricked or lain with, by using God’s name and power, have cried out unto the Lord against you. All of these people will be at your judgment and you will have to face what you have done.

The only reason I believe Alamo continues in this perverse and despotic manner is because, deep down, he really does not believe anything he teaches to others about God and the Bible. He is a born con artist and this ministry is his bread and butter. He will do and say anything to satisfy his lust for the flesh and power.

[anchored]

I laboriously got through much of the tract. I can only say it is contrivances in attempt to justify his perversions.

Now I know what Phony Alamo the Preaching Pedophile was doing all those nights he said he stayed up writing tracts. He was trying to ease his guilty conscience finding a way to justify his insatiable lusts.

What happened to the simplicity of the gospel????

TONY ALAMO you are throwing millions of souls!!!

The Bible is not complicated or confusing like you make it seem to appear. First of all, the Bible says "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved." Jesus Christ and Him crucified. Pretty simple. The simplicity of the gospel is a stumblingblock to those who are wise in their own conceits. Tony Alamo you are a stinkin' egomaniac.

There are so many things here to take issue with in this piece of garbage tract A-Lame-0 has concocted. The World Pervert has twisted and wrestled with the scriptures to satisfy his own filthy lusts and perversions.

Just one of the quotes from the A-Lame-0's abominable diatribe stinkin' piece of garbage.

"The woman was man's equal before the crime, the sin, the transgression, the fall. But, after the fall, God makes it extremely clear that the woman is no equal to the man anymore, but is under subjection to her one and only husband. She is to be totally dominated, ruled through and by the godly man through the Word of God (positively no more equal rights, ladies)."

<font color="000000"><font size="+1">You said God put you and Susie together and for years you claimed (and still do)that you and her are the two witnesses. Susie ruled over you for the entire marriage!! You said you were just happy to hold her hand. So Susie ruled over you and you were subjected to her Toni!!!!!!

Did God make a mistake Toni???????</font></font>

<font color="000000"><font size="+1">So you weren't THE "MAN." SO WHAT HAPPENED TONE???

I THOUGHT YOU SAID GOD PUT MAN OVER THE WOMAN???</font></font>

(Message edited by anchored on January 07, 2007)

[tbone_1972]

Tony said, "Polygamy is not meant for sinners because sinners' hearts and intentions are not godly"...........Well, what about when Esther was given to King Ahasuerus to become his Queen???.....was that a mistake Mr. Lamo??? And since when did it become Godly for you to force yourself upon young girls against their will?????

Tony said "I do not believe in man picking or choosing his own mate or mates, but believe in the devine"..................Well that's funny mr. Lamo, because you've always told the congregation that God does not show one without showing the other that they are to be joined together and become husband and wife, Yet you choose and pick all of your young wives against their will and on YOUR word alone.........Well, Something's wrong with that picture also, Mr. Lamo.

Tony said, " Men who fornicate with another man's wife are adulterers. This too is serverely fornbidden by God. The adulterer is condemned to hell forever"......................Well, Mr. Lamo, I guess that puts you right in the middle of all those Adulterers since you've put God fearing brothers out and took their wives to fulfill the heat of your lust, and you will be condemned to hell by your own words.

According to Mr. Lamo, anyone who does not practice or believe in polygamy is a former christian of an apostate church that has aligned themselves with ROME.............What a piece of work you are Mr. Alameo..Is everyone on their way to hell, because they don't partake in the raping of young girls and forcing them into marriage with an old scuzbag like you.........You've made yourself look like an even bigger weasel than I could ever imagined.

God did not openly condemn Judah for going to Timnah to look for a harlot either, but that did not give anybody a license to go out looking for whores to satisfy their lust! My point is, anybody can twist the word of God around to suit themselves, but in the end there's a high price to pay.......Hell Forever!

[carolfryer]

Amen t bone. I didnt know Tony taught that both the man and woman would be showed to each other by God. Isnt that somethin. Time is countin down Sonny Boy. Will you squeal and cry in Gods hands like your victems did?

[tbone_1972]

Yes, he used to tell the brothers to go and ask the sister if she would go in prayer and put it on the alter to see whether God would reveal to them both if they were to be joined together in marriage, although not everybody had to do this.But he always USED to say, "out of the mouth of two or more witnesses the truth shall be established"............Now it's more like whatever comes out of his own mouth shall be made law, because he claims that God speaks to him on a regular basis.Let him tell it, God must be up there changing his mind constantly, and coming up with new twist on His word all the time, and noone else knows but Big Tone.(wink wink).........We know who spoke to tony about susie being raised from the dead, and it sure was'nt the Lord!Besides that, the Lord never ask His people to Lie,Steal, Rape or threaten people with hellfire if they don't believe or give in to his diabolical plan to fornicate and commit adultry.Everybody works for Rome now, because we don'6t go along with his Lies.

[jr7global]

The Truth About Polygamy
The Bible does not condone polygamy. It was not permitted in the Old Testament, and was, in fact, prohibited from the beginning. God’s Old Testament servants did not follow this practice. You will be surprised at the plain facts from God’s Word!
BY DAVID C. PACK

Polygamy has returned to the news. The thought-to-be ancient biblical practice of marriage to more than one wife has become the subject of news reports, and people are asking questions about it—some are wondering whether it has a biblical origin.

Men have long been fascinated with the idea of polygamy. Not understanding the God-ordained purpose of marriage, civilization has always seemed willing to practice it. In fact, certain cultures of the world have been following this custom for centuries, indeed millennia, not concerned with either current news and trends of this subject or whether there is biblical foundation for polygamy. They are simply following previous generations who have themselves been following tradition.

No matter that laws of nations generally prohibit polygamy, some governments happily look the other way, unwilling to “take on” these entrenched traditions. We have even experienced firsthand people of certain cultures attempting to bring more than one wife with them into the Church of God.

But many have based their belief on the idea that the Bible permits the practice of polygamy. It does not, and this article will make that most clear. You will see that God’s Word not only directly condemns polygamy, but teaches that those who follow this custom were to be punished—sometimes severely. You will also see that this was a written statute in the nation of Israel, and that even kings were not to be exceptions

http://www.thercg.org/articles/ttap.html?gclid=CIXT28KT0IkCFQVqYAodPRC7wQ

[jr7global]

The Truth About Polygamy
The “Fathers”
Many are familiar with the term “the Fathers” of ancient Israel. The Bible refers to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob by this term. This is because God made unconditional promises to Abraham, and then re-affirmed them to Isaac and Jacob. Later, the New Testament record reveals that Christ came to confirm the promises made to them. The role of these three men is vitally important to God’s Plan—in both Old Testament and New—and from these accounts the matter of polygamy seems to find authorization in the minds of many. A close examination of their circumstances shows no such authorization, but rather condemnation from God and critical lesson learning, including deep repentance where necessary, by these men and others we will examine.

Abraham is referred to in Scripture as the father of the faithful throughout all ages. Therefore, his example is crucial to understand. He never married anyone but his wife Sarah, although he did have an illegitimate son (Ishmael) by Hagar, Sarah’s handmaiden—this done because Sarah lacked faith in God’s ability to carry out His plan to give this couple a son of promise.

Sarah brought Hagar to Abraham, who yielded to the temptation of one who was probably at least an attractive woman, despite having the status of servant. Sarah’s action, no doubt, played a key role in Abraham’s willingness to be enticed into producing a child with one who was not his wife.

Romans 3:23 states that all have sinned, and even a great servant such as Abraham would not be an exception. In fact, Abraham twice lied to kings to save his skin by stating that Sarah was his sister.

God forgave these sins of weakness, not committed out of hostility or rebellion against the will of God, but rather of temptation, and this augmented by the willing participation of an otherwise faithful wife.

Abraham’s overall attitude was to obey God. Yet, terrible consequences ensued when God’s Law was broken. These consequences still exist today, with the Arab nations having descended from Ishmael, Hagar’s son, and the Jews having descended from Isaac, Sarah’s son. Think of the 4,000 years of heartache, suffering, violence and death that have come from just this single act, surely proving what a tangled web is woven when human reasoning takes over and faith is lacking.

The account reveals that Hagar eventually departed from Abraham and Sarah (Gen. 21:8-21), Abraham obeying God’s command to send Hagar away. Genesis 25:6 states, however, that Abraham’s concubines’ (plural) sons were sent away, his other concubine being Susanna, as referenced in the ancient Austrian Chronicle. Abraham clearly ended these adulterous affairs. The fruit was that he removed the temptation from his life, along with the resulting illegitimate sons, in favor of cleaving to Sarah and Isaac, the son of promise.

Sarah did eventually die (Gen. 23:1-2), apparently well before Abraham. Only then did he lawfully marry Keturah (also Gen. 25). The biblical record speaks no more of polygamy in Abraham’s life.

http://www.thercg.org/articles/ttap.html?gclid=CIXT28KT0IkCFQVqYAodPRC7wQ

[hbananna]

It goes to show how bad people (Tony Alamo) will always find ways to interpret the scriptures to satisfy their own desires but the Lord's Word is the same yesterday, today, and forever. It will never change no matter how you twist it.

[redeemed_9131970]

<font size="+2">AMEN!!!</font>

[redeemed_9131970]

Hannah, you repeatedly post to this forum with sound doctrine and sound reasoning that evidences a young woman in tune with God’s Word. Your presence in this forum is edifying and refreshing. Thank you for the time and diligence you put into your posts. Undeniably raised in the scriptures your adherence to them is a blessing to me and a testimony as well. As you continue to honor the Lord (not only here but in all that you do), I can’t help but think your parents, Jerry and GiGi, are well pleased with the young woman you’ve so outspokenly become; I am, for it is only the Lord who has given you a heart to do this.

cp – Redeemed: 9/13/1970

[hbananna]

Thank you for your kind words, Carolyn.
The Lord has indeed pressed upon my heart to speak up about what I feel towards Alamo and his treatment of the young, impressionable, men and women still in the group. A few of them I once called friend and it is my hope to be reunited with them one day.

[saved_21570]

J.R.;
It is great to hear from you! I have often wondered what happened to you. You are one of the bros I really looked up to.

The last thing I remember us doing together was parking cars and pulling watch, in front of church, the day of Gean Vincent's (Pipers brother) funeral.

Great posts everybody. I have alot to post but I have to wait until I have a little more time.

[jr7global]

Judas Iscariot betrayed Jesus. For this, Judas is confined forever in hell's burning pit. Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias, these two were other eyewitnesses directly called by Jesus, and were qualified to draw lots to see who it would be to fill the office of an eyewitness and be an Apostle of Jesus Christ, the same office of apostleship that wicked Judas despised and abused, to his own everlasting hurt.

http://tapolygamy.blogspot.com/

[carolfryer]

All that Bull**** and twisting, did he ever mention Let the bishops be the husband of one wife? Did he ever mention Duet. 17:17? Use all their mistakes Tony to get what you what and you will be wrong just like them, only dead wrong because at leastmost of them repented.

[heynow]

Odd but, interesting nonetheless. There are some issues that need to be addressed. Now, a lot of folks criticize the families that give their daughters up. Let's look at what would be their fate is if they don't. Obviously they would be kicked out without any money,livelihood, dwelling, income, food, friends, etc. A terrible fate. Giving up their daughter, also a terrible fate. I think the folks that have understanding families (not living in the foundation) have a pretty good "ticket out" option so to speak. The folks living there with no family on the outside have a rough deal. When I left I started from scratch. No dwelling, no job, no college education, no car, no support, no friends, no money (well, Tony gave me 50 dollars). It was tough. I recently saw the Will Smith film "The Persuit of Happiness." Really brought back some memories of my first couple years out of the foundation with very limited money. It was almost an exact parallel except I didn't have a four year old son. It is almost impossible to do that without family and no money. Fortunately, God is the God of the impossible.
Now let's say a family refuses to give up their daughter. Of course Tony will kick them out (add some yelling and screaming). This family will truly be living on faith to get their life back on track.
You know what? I'll bet there are some foundation folks reading this and are wondering if there is any way out. Tell you what, if it looks like Tony has his eye on your daughter just post it on the board (anonymous if you like) and I will do what I can to help you out.

[brother_d]

A lot of us left with nothing, no help, nothing. We made it. But can one of us who struggled to leave the stench of the Foundation behind ever say it wasn't worth it? I don't think so. Freedom is precious. Take hold of it. What that scumbag offers is not what any of us were called to. My advice is to anyone still trapped there is to leave, and step on his face on the way out.

[saved_21570]

heynow,

I have thought about that a lot. When I left, after 21 years of service, I was put out with nothing. I literally, was sleeping on the street.

I know that God will make a way for anyone who will trust him. Having said that. I cannot imagine what it would have been like had I had the welfare of a child to look after. If it is a woman in that situation it makes it even harder.

It does not justify any sin, but we need to empathize and remember to have compassion in prayer and reproof. As the Apostle Paul said, "Lest we also be tempted."

There is a huge difference between Tony Alamo and someone who he has taken captive, and is now in dire straits.

Tom A.

[jr7global]

Polygamist's Papers Topic of Hearing
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: January 8, 2007

Filed at 4:38 a.m. ET

SALT LAKE CITY (AP) -- When a Cadillac Escalade ferrying polygamist church leader Warren Jeffs was pulled over in Nevada in August, authorities found $54,000 cash, 15 cell phones, portable radios, wigs and four laptops.

The documents stored on those computers was to be the subject of a legal tug-of-war Monday as Jeffs' attorneys try to convince a judge that the laptops contain privileged communication between the spiritual leader and his followers.

Jeffs, the 51-year-old leader of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, was picked up in a traffic stop near Las Vegas on federal warrants after evading prosecution in Utah and Arizona for nearly two years.

He's now in a southern-Utah county jail pending an April trial on two felony counts of rape as an accomplice related to a 2001 arranged marriage between a 14-y
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-Polygamist-Leader.html?_r=2&amp;oref=slogin&amp;oref=slogin

[carolfryer]

Yep, I see that in Tonys future.

[bystander]

I found a new website that I feel sure most of you will find very interesting. Whoever is responsible for putting the site up states their goal is to promote awareness and understanding of the true nature of Alamo Christian Ministries and of the exploitation of its members by self-proclaimed "world pastor" Tony Alamo.

They want the site to be a resource for victims and their families or for anyone interested in learning more about Tony Alamo.

The front page shows Tony in his favorite tie-dyed shirt. Check it out.

www.alamoministrieswatch.org (http://www.alamoministrieswatch.org)

[tbone_1972]

Thanks, Bystander,

Great post. Lots of info. I apreciate it very much. Please keep posting.

[brother_d]

...needs to be filled out more. There was an article in Rolling Stone written by someone who infiltrated back in 1972 or 1973 that should get posted. It was a candid disclosure of what the foundation was like to someone who was not a part of it...wish I had a copy.

[hbanana]

Funny stuff!

That Alamo Ministries Watch site is awesome! I love it. It is good to see people are busy spreading the word about this guy. It narrows his chances of continuing on the way he does without any reproof.

Way to go!

PS to brother_d: There appears to be a contact page that you might be able to communicate with the moderator. Maybe you (or anyone who has something to add) could communicate in that way to send your articles. I would love to read that Rolling Stones article.

Does anyone else have it? Maybe you can post it here!

[raining]

Tony Alamo - It is not the vatican or CAN or any governement agency that have been exposing you for the child abusing,pedophile raping polygamist that you are. It is ex-members - whose own eyes have seen you in action. We know the details - our ears and eyes saw you in action.

Stop lying and trying to trick people into thinking that the truths being shouted from the housetops and the www are from the vatican - YOU know they are true and you are shaking in your elevator boots! Oh sinner man - where you gonna run to?

I heard your interview with Greg! Boy the lies you told!

It's not the vatican saying you are a child abuser or a polygamist, or a rapist or a pedophile - IT'S YOUR VICTIMS!!!!!!

Their cries have went up into our Heavenly Fathers ears. Remember it would be better to tie a millstone around your neck than to offend 1 of God's little ones!!!!

Here are just a few of the cries that have went up to our Father's ears during the beatings that you commanded to be given to them: Elishah, Nathan, Darren, Chuck, April, Myron, Carlos, Miguel, Jason, Jared, Tony, Johnny, Eric, Paula, Tryone, Carrisa, and many more - plus their parents.
How about Jodi, Tammi, Lizzy, Jeanne, Mishael, and all the other young girls who have forced to be your wife. Their cries went up to their father. Remember - He knows every hair on your head, He knows the intent of the heart! Toni Alame-o you can't CON God!



Too many victims are no longer afraid of you. They are finding their voices and they will expose you for the child abusing, child raping pedophile, polygamist pervert that you are!

(Message edited by Raining on March 02, 2007)

[anchored]

HEY TONY ALAMO!

The fearful, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, whoremongers, sorcerers, idolaters <font size="+1"><u>AND ALL LIARS, TONE, ALL LIARS </u></font>, (YEP TONEE, THAT MEANS YOU CAN'T EVEN LIE TO THE DEVIL , shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone. Not to mention the other of those categories you fall into.

You say it's ok to lie to the devil. God sez it ain't. Who do ya think'll prevail Tone?? Duh!

[anchored]

HEY TONY ALAMO!

The fearful, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, whoremongers, sorcerers, idolaters <font size="+1"><u>AND ALL LIARS, TONE, ALL LIARS </u></font>, (YEP TONEE, THAT MEANS YOU CAN'T EVEN LIE TO THE DEVIL) , shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone. Not to mention the other of those categories you fall into.

You say it's ok to lie to the devil. God sez it ain't. Who do ya think'll prevail Tone?? Duh!

[anchored]

"all"

Hey Tony, it's such a small simple word that encompasses the total extent of things. Webster defines it as 1. in the least; to the slightest degree, 2. in any way, 3. under any considerations.

What part of "all" don't you understand?

Again, Tony Alamo says it's ok to lie, God says it isn't.

It boils down to Tony vs. God.

Glad I'm on the winning side. It's a no brainer.

[raining]

I remember Tony &amp; Sue telling us - you people wil lie for the devil but you won't lie for the Lord.

[anchored]

Yeah, like God really needs us "people" to lie for him so he can work all things after the counsel of his own will. He's so powerless, he needs people to break his commandments to expedite matters.

What I think they really meant was we wouldn't lie for them. But in their arrogance they thought themselves above reproach and even above the laws of God. Talk about egotistical.

[heynow]

"Lie for the Lord" Is that scriptual?

[raining]

NO it's not scriptual!!!

ALL LIARS shall have their part in hell fire!

[anchored]

Another thing that reveals Tony Alamo's infamous reputation for having a humungous ego (many times confirmed by his wife Susan and to me personally and other brothers standing around, and also I might mention, to Velda Fern Peevy) and that is his famous "YOU PEOPLE" salutation to the precious members of the Body of Christ.

"YOU PEOPLE" like we were a bunch of goya or cattle instead of precious hard working (souls) and members of the Body of Christ.

Sounds just like Hitler referring to the masses in Germany. Same exact Satanic dictatorial spirit.

[brother_d]

Well, in hindsight, Anchored, I'm glad he made that distinction. I would hate for anyone to think that I was anything like Burnie. Never liked the guy anyway.

[anchored]

Well, I don't think you would ever need to worry about that because there was never any question about the distinction.

I don't think you were ever in any way like that brute beast, Tony Alamo, and I know I wasn't, and probably 95% of the "YOU PEOPLE" that were ever there weren't either. The other 5% tried to act like him but they were the lame bootlickers and even they were "YOU PEOPLE" when Alame-O didn't need them or it wasn't in his best interest or to his advantage to use them.

Unfortunately, a few went away with that same spirit and tried to start their own similar "minsitries." One of them even making himself a "prophet" and made a ploy for we ex-members to come from every state to join him and be under his tutelage/control. The last I heard he is a real nut job.

[raining]

most of the brothers &amp; sisters only saw the prayer meeting &amp; sunday afternoon service side of toni phoney. Back then I honestly believed Tony &amp; Sue were the 2 witnesses.

During the tax evasion trial, in which i testified for Toni the child abuser, my oldest son, Jason, testified against tony. He told about one of the beatings he received that was commanded by "papa tony". He was suspended in mid-air, spread eagle and beaten 140 times with the board of education. Tony picked bob streit to give the beating and he also assigned who would hold each limb. Jason was beaten bloody!

Also during the tax evasion case Toni invited me to go to dinner with him and some of his wives at the Peabody Hotel in Memphis. At dinner there was myself, Tony, Sharon &amp; Sion (sharon's son fathered by Tony Alamo), Lydia &amp; Tabor (Lydia's son fathered by Tony Alamo), Angel Streit, Jeanne and Lizzy (the last 2 girls were 15 &amp; 16 years old). A few years earlier I taught Jeanne and Lizzy 5th grade. I knew they would have NEVER picked that great grandfather, Tony Alamo, to be their husband.

Toni phoney -I am NOT part of the vatican or the 1 world government. I heard the radio interview with Greg - where you said that the vatican and 1 world gov are persecuting you even more now. They are telling people you are a child abuser, a rapist, a pedophile and have hundreds of wives.

NEW FLASH for you toni a-lame-o - it is the VICTIMS who are exposing the facts about you. They have found their voices and are no longer afraid of you. You are a liar! As long as you keep lying, I am going to keep telling the truth about you.

Sue B

[raining]

Toni-
My own ears heard you say on one of your radio broadcasts that you only have 1 wive! You were madly trying to refute the tract "Tony Alamo Secrets Exposed". I have to say that 1 statement about you only having 1 wife is such a lie.
Toni, you claim to be legally married and have only 1 wife. You are a con and a liar and twist God's word to fulfill your lusts. We all know that you have 3 children by 3 different women, who all live together with you in your house. Tony Alamo you have 2 sons - 1 by sharon, and 1 by lydia, and 1 daughter by Lizzy. There are even pictures your 3 children and their mothers, who all currently live with you and there is a picture of you holding your son, Tabor, by Lydia on the website www.alamoministrieswatch.org (http://www.alamoministrieswatch.org)

In the Bible it tells plainly how a women becomes a man's wife! This is God's way of performing marriages - So whatever names you try to give all the girls you have forced to submit themselves to you, and then you say they are not your wife- God says they are you wives!


Genesis 24:51-67
vs 67 - And Isaac brought her into his mother Sarah's tent, and took Rebekah, and she BECAME HIS WIFE,

Genesis 16: 3-4
And Sar-a-i Abram's wife took Hagar her maid the Egyptian and gave her to her husband Abram to be hiw WIFE. And he went in unto Hagar, and she conceived,

you can also read about Jacob and Rachel and Leah and many many more marriages in the Old Testament.

When Jesus came the multiple wives ended - many times in the new testament it states let every man have his own wife (not wives)
Tony Alamo, in the eyes of God you have more than 1 wive - stop lying! I've opened up my Bible and judged by the Word of God that you are a LIAR!

[raining]

I just read Susan Alamo's deposition posted on www.alamoministries.org (http://www.alamoministries.org) - she sure didn't remember much! She almost forgot when Chris' birthday was.

I would love to read Tony's deposition given at around the same time.

[heynow]

Wait a minute. When you were with Tony and his multiple wives, did he actually say that all those females were his wives? I believe you but, did he SAY it? Also, after this encounter did he say on the radio he only had one wife? Let's say he actually said all those females are his wives and he told a lie on the radio he only has one wife. Tony is usually pretty slick about his lies but, correct me if I am wrong you are saying he told the foundation folks "I have many wives (or something like that)." And he said "I have only one wife" on the radio. If this is exactly what was said, anybody that stays at the foundation now, has really got a screw loose.

[heynow]

Wait a minute. When you were with Tony and his multiple wives, did he actually say that all those females were his wives? I believe you but, did he SAY it? Also, after this encounter did he say on the radio he only had one wife? Let's say he actually said all those females are his wives and he told a lie on the radio he only has one wife. Tony is usually pretty slick about his lies but, correct me if I am wrong you are saying he told the foundation folks "I have many wives (or something like that)." And he said "I have only one wife" on the radio. If this is exactly what was said, anybody that stays at the foundation now, has really got a screw loose.

[wilma]

I will let "raining" speak for herself, but I will also answer for what I experienced. Tony often bragged in my presence at his house in Ft Smith or in the church at Windsor Drive about all his many wives he acquired in 1993 and 1994: Sharon, Lydia, Jody, Isabel, Misheal, Tami, Angel, Lizzy, and Jeanne.
He would always twist the scriptures to justify and proclaim that God was blessing him because he was so Godly. Until the IRS trial, he flaunted the polygamy, wrote the Polygamy Tract (which was passed out by the 1,000's all over the country). EVERYONE in the church was aware that all these girls had become Tony's wives. It was only after he was convicted in the IRS case in June of 1994 and stories came out in the newspapers that it became a hush-hush thing.

At that point people were told not to tell the BC's when they came to the church about the polygamy...it was to be a secret. But, then he started asking for pictures of the new female converts so that he could continue to pick and choose. So even while he was in jail he was adding prospective wives to his harem.

What I didn't know while I was there was that while he was in prison he was already adding little pre-teen girls to his harem (Eliza V and Katrina). He would have them visit him in prison and he would elaborate on the subject of sex with them. He also had Sharon grooming them to be his wives. Tony is a despicable human being.
Susie G

[raining]

yes tony did say they were all his wives. In fact he said for all his wives to give him a kiss and wanted us to take a picture of him and his wives. They all leaned over and kissed tony. They were all his wives- Tony's lips told me and I saw them all kiss him as they all loaded up on a horse drawn carriage to ride around Memphis!
The radio program where he denies he has more than 1 wife was just a few months ago. You can go on his website and listen to the program yourself. You will hear so many lies that in 10 minutes or less you will be screaming at your computer!!

[anchored]

Tony Alamo is such a liar. He is so ego-driven and arrogant he would lie about anything that would be convenient for him at the time or lie about anything that would work to his advantage, even to the point of calling the truth tellers, the liars.

He's lied about his wives, he's lied about saying he hears/is hearing from the Lord. Just one example of that - the time he accused Jared, Sue Balsley's youngest son, of lying when Jared knew he wasn't lying and the other witnesses that Tony brought in knew he wasn't. Yet, while standing there lying to everyone, Tony A-lame-o claimed to have this pipeline to the throne of God and that God was telling him that Jared was lying, when it was obvious to everyone else that he wasn't. The others knew then that Tony was a Phony.

He's lied about saying he never said a certain thing when it was proven to him on tape that he did, and the list goes on and on because these are just a few examples of Tony Alamo being caught in lies. There are many people who could get on here and elaborate way more about Tony Alamo being caught in lies.

He lies to the world (calls himself a "World Pastor") because when you hide the real truth about yourself as a public figure to anybody, that is the same as lying. He tries to hide the fact that he has all those "wives" many of them underage, he denies child abuse when there have been an innumerable number of witnesses of him beating children bloody, or having others do the beating. He also abuses adults-has them beaten by other adults, he has kicked pregnant women out on the streets to roam, desolate of any money, food, or transportation while calling himself a Christian, that's lying. Again, there are many witnesses. He steals people's IDs, i.e., Harvey Cochran, while running from the law for tax evasion and child abuse charges, that's the same as lying.

He hides behind a cloak of deceit and lies and abominations while preaching radio broadcasts to the world that he is squeaky clean and that he is being falsely accused. Gimme a break!

Bottom line, Tony Alamo is a LIAR and will not hesitate one second to tell a lie if it is in his best interest. Not to mention all the other sick perverted abominations he engages in.

(Message edited by anchored on March 12, 2007)

[jackrussell]

Polygamy/pedophilia, a very common theme amongst the worst cult leading, grandeur deluded scumbags to have ever disgraced this earth with their presence.

The history channel had a grand expose 2 hour special last nite, and the similaries amongst Jim Jones, Tony Alamo, David Koresh, Schaffer (a German fundamentalist, who could not keep his hands off of children, fled and took his whole cult to Peru in the 1950's) and even Charles Manson, were so many and so similar. Can you say 'DEMONS.' Not trying to give glory to the devil here, but the transparency is telling, to put it mildly. Koresh, while a young man, even became a gigolo to the spiritual top dog leader/prophet of the Branch Davidians. She was 68. Talk about scoring brownie points! Hello Sue and Tony! Walks like a lying/demon possessed pedophile, talks like a lying/demon possessed pedophile, must be a demon possessed pedophile.

[wilma]

Hi JR,
I watched that same special last night and before that there was a two hour special called "Jonestown, Paradise Lost". They interviewed Jim Jones' son, Stephan Jones, who was in the city of Georgetown,Guyana for a basketball game and so missed the suicide/murders. They interviewed other survivors too. Stephan Jones said he knew his dad was nuts. It made me wonder if Sion Alamo knows his dad is nuts too??? The cult leaders, including Tony Alamo, use religion to attain their goals for money, power, and sex. They were kept in Jonestown because of fear---same as the Alamo bunch.
I recommend that documentary. You will notice so many similarities to the Alamo group.
Susie G

[heynow]

I am not sure why but, I can't get any Tony A. audio off his site. I have audio everywhere else. Can somebody try it so I will know it's something with my computer. I just want to hear him say, "I only have one wife." My bet is he said something like, "It's good to have one wife." or "Usually men are married to one wife." or "Why would you think I have more than one wife?"
Hard for me to believe he actually said, "I have only one wife." He usually will weasel out and not answer directly. How about this? If someone can pick up the audio, just transcibe a short quote where he actually states he has one wife.

[raining]

On his radio program toni has also called people out to prove he has more than 1 wife!

[bystander]

heynow...this is what Tony says in that soundbite, and I quote..."The government does condone child sex but they don't condone them to get married to somebody old enough to support them. And when I'm preaching this they try to turn it around that I'm married to a lot of young girls or even a lot of women...that I've married people that are...uh...somebody else's...uh they had...somebody else's wife. That is not true. I've never married anybody else's wife. I'm not married to hundreds of girls or women. I'm not married to anybody but one woman. Check the marriage bureaus all over the world and see if I'm married, okay? But I'm telling you the truth."

[anchored]

Well then, what do you call it Tony Alamo???

You've had children by Sharon (Sion), Lydia (Tabor), Lizzie (Antoinette) and God knows who else.

Are you admitting that you are an adulterer and a fornicator then??? You are having sex with more than one woman, Tone. What are you calling them??? House pigs? Old testament concubines? Your Harem?

Why do you keep lying and why are you so deceitful?

I know what God calls it; adultery and fornication.

[wilma]

heynow, why does it surprise you that Tony is such a blantant liar? Tony Alamo lies with such ease and conviction that if I didn't know better, I would think he was telling the truth.
It is a fact that Tony Alamo kicked RAndy S out of the group in 1993 and took his wife and child. He threatened and raped TAmi. She lived in his house as one of his "wives" for over two years, even after he had gone into the Federal prison system. She left the Foundation in Jan 1996 with her small daughter and reunited with Randy. They have a wonderful family now.

It is a fact that in 1993 Tony Alamo took Misheal Jones as his own "wife" after he kicked out Kenya Williams and took Kenya's wife, Misheal, and their unborn child (Jordan). To this day Misheal is still living with Alamo and often reads the responses on his bizarre radio program.

Nobody is accusing Tony of having hundreds of wives. And we all know there are no records of these marriages. He just takes them into his bedroom and rapes them and then slips a ring on their finger and tells them they are his wife and they must obey their husband.

That is the REAL truth.

[heynow]

Tony's lies don't suprise me one bit. As you can see by the quote he was "dancing" all around the issue without answering the question. That is typical Tony. I am suprised by the "I am not married to anybody but one woman" quote. Didn't think he would tell such a direct lie.
When I was there, a messenger (terry farr, streit, waller, etc) would tell you Tony said such and such. Well, later tony gets really p****sd. I say didn't you say such and such? Tony says "I never said that." He is lying of course but, he said such and such through a messenger. Get it? Really slick.
Another tactic is tony would "confront" someone while surrounded with foundation "yes" men. Of course they would agree with everything he said. Who are the yes men? Read the short list above. You can add some more names. Tommy S. and fazzalero come to mind. Oh well it was many years ago and I had a "disagreement" with tony and I think he knew better than push it too far. I was discommunicated from the outfit. Amazing how everthing worked out. God had a better plan.
I am curious. Did anyone reading this ever have a private conversation (not riding in a car) with tony? No one else in the room. In person (not on the phone). Without tape players recording the conversation. No one else listening.

[smitty]

Amazingly, I did once that I remember. Back in the 70's at the Davenport house I was trying to get a crew togther (without any luck) to dig a foundation for one of the storage buildings up there. As I said, I was having lousy luck finding somebody and I was constantly in and out of the office/den while Tony was there. He got realy exasperated watching me and said "JUST GO OUT THERE AND DIG IT YOURSELF! So, I went out with a pick and shovel and started digging...The amazing thing is, a short while later Tony came out, asked for the pick and started digging himself with myself doing the shoveling. We continued like this for maybe an hour when someone else came out of the office and told Tony they had a crew coming up, so we then stopped.
NOTE: Please don't get me wrong, I'm not praising Tony here, this is just an illustration of how a well placed gesture or two could make a person think that Tony back then was baiscly O.K. If he was a full-on weasel all the time, none of us would have stayed near as long as we had.

[hbanana]

heynow,

I just listened to the one minute clip on www.alamoministrieswatch.com (http://www.alamoministrieswatch.com) (found in the Sound Bite section of Tony Alamo In His Own Words category). He definitely says he only has one wife.

[raining]

I also heard on Tony's radio broadcast that he said he has power to stop and start the rain!!!

[anchored]

He doesn't even have power over his own evil spirit and all of his wicked deed including his serpent tongue. They rule him. There isn't a bridle known to man that's big enough for his tongue, his ego.

Not in the least surprised to hear him say that though. The pervert is delusional.

[anchored]

These scriptures in II Peter come to mind about Tony and his claim to make rain."

"These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest: to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.

"For when they speak with great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error."

"While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage."

The dog is turned to his own vomit again and the pig who was washed back into the muck and mire and an even deeper pit of sin.

Tony Alamo, you better forget about being a weather man. You have a lot more serious problems.

[raining]

Here is a post from Carmen posted on topix.net -
she wrote, "alamo said in his radio message that if Pastor Mixon would apologize, repent and write him a note telling him (alamo) that he was sorry that he (alamo) would pray for him and he wouldn't die."


Consider this - Tony said if Pastor Mixon would apologize to Tony then Tony Alamo - would pray for Pastor Mixon and he wouldn't die.

What happen with all Tony's prayers for Susie -he prayed for her and she died!

What happen with all his prayers for Myron -he prayed for him and he died!

What happen with all his prayers for Maurilla-he prayed for her and she died!

What happen with all his prayers for Andy -he prayed for him and he died!

What happen with all his prayers for Greg -he prayed for him and he died!

What happen with all his prayers for Stacey -he prayed for him and he died!

What happen with all his prayers for Mia -he prayed for her and she died!

And the list goes on!

If I were Pastor Mixon I would beg tony NOT to pray for me!

On another note - When Myron died Tony said, "Myron barely made it into heaven, but the reason Myron made it into heaven was because he (Tony Alamo) instructed the congregation to pray for Myron. I know this for a fact - my son was Myron's best friend and I heard Tony say that.

Now fast forward several years later - Tony was talking about Myron and said he was burning in hell. His Aunt Wanda - who also remembered what Tony had said years earlier challenged Tony about Myron being in hell. Tony kicked her out of the foundation. She said something like - you don't have to kick me out - I'm leaving!


Tony phoney, the great almight has spoken - saying the person is with the Lord. Years later he has forgotten what he said and now the person is in hell!

Talk about getting caught in your own lies!

[anchored]

"If I were Pastor Mixon I would beg tony NOT to pray for me"!

LOLOL. Cracked me up!

Amen raining, Tony phoney lies so much that he not only forgets what he says, he forgets that he has said it in front of a bunch of witnesses. Because of his gigantic ego, he now has no sense of responsibility or concern for what he says, or who he says it in front of, and because of his tremendous ego he can always lie and deny that he ever said it and thinks that everyone will just accept it because he's Tony Alamo the almighty.

Tony Alamo is so caught up in his own web of lies and deceit, and has been building a huge stockpile over so many years/decades, he now believes his own lies.

[heynow]

I listened to the entire Greg Szymanski interview and tony did not say he was married to one wife. What radio interview did he say that? Don't get me wrong I believe he is married to multiple wives.
Smitty, I think tony realized he stuck his foot in his mouth when he told you to dig the foundation yourself. If he had not helped you dig, folks would walk by and ask why you are digging it by yourself? Of course when you told them tony told you to dig it yourself they would start a wonderin what kind of dude is this tony alamo? Get my drift?
I will ask again: Did anyone reading this ever have a private conversation (not riding in a car) with tony? No one else in the room. In person (not on the phone). Without tape players recording the conversation. No one else listening.

[raining]

Hewnow-
Here is what I posted about the radio interview with Greg: "I heard the radio interview with Greg - where you said that the vatican and 1 world gov are persecuting you even more now. They are telling people you are a child abuser, a rapist, a pedophile and have hundreds of wives. "
-------------------------------------------------The next post is about Toni's own radio broadcast and this is what i posted:

Posted on Sunday, March 11, 2007 - 11:06 am:

Toni-
My own ears heard you say on one of your radio broadcasts that you only have 1 wive! You were madly trying to refute the tract "Tony Alamo Secrets Exposed". I have to say that 1 statement about you only having 1 wife is such a lie.
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Posted on Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - 9:09 pm
Hbanana posted this :

heynow,

I just listened to the one minute clip on www.alamoministrieswatch.com (http://www.alamoministrieswatch.com) (found in the Sound Bite section of Tony Alamo In His Own Words category). He definitely says he only has one wife.
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i'm not sure which radio program he said it on - so back to Dec or Jan and listen - one program he is very upset about people passing out "Tony Alamo Secrets" tract and he definatley says on that program that he only has 1 wife and go prove he has more! I don't have the tape number but I'm sure you will find it. Unless tony pulled that radio broadcast off his list.

Tony has definately said he only has 1 wife

[saved_21570]

heynow;

In answer to your questions:
"I will ask again: Did anyone reading this ever have a private conversation (not riding in a car) with Tony? No one else in the room. In person (not on the phone). Without tape players recording the conversation. No one else listening." Most of the time, there were one or two other brothers there also. Why do you ask?

"I listened to the entire Greg Szymanski interview and Tony did not say he was married to one wife. What radio interview did he say that?"
I would go back and find it, but I don't have either the time or desire. It was probably DEC '06. BTW-He said it more than one time on more than one radio broadcast. What stood out to me was that Tony said "Go and check you won't find <u>any</u> record of me being married."
Come to think about it. It may have been as early as Oct. or Nov. '06.

""Lie for the Lord" Is that scriptual?"
Of course not. Neither is 'rape for the Lord', 'stealing for the Lord', 'murder for the Lord', etc., etc.

[hbanana]

Heynow -

On the www.alamoministrieswatch.com (http://www.alamoministrieswatch.com) website, in the category TONY ALAMO IN HIS OWN WORDS under the section SOUND BITES there is a post called "Tony Alamo Denies Being A Polygamist—again".

In that post it says which radio broadcast the sound bite was taken from (Program #330 dated February 27, 2007). But as Saved21570 says "BTW-He said it more than one time on more than one radio broadcast". He has said it many times.

[heynow]

Okay, You were wondering why I asked about anyone having a private conversation with tony. Looks like not many takers on that one. It is amazing in the 40+ years tony has been doing the foundation deal not once did he have a private conversation with anyone. With the exeption when he told Smittiy to dig the foundation. Isn't that odd? If anyone did please enlighten me. It is strange isn't it?
I listened to the March Greg Szymanski interview. Yep, tony did say accusations were brought against him for having "hundreds of wives" also, mentions about the marriage records. In this particular interview he did not say he had one wife. However, you are correct about the February sound bite tony said "I've not married to anybody but, one woman." Obviously he has married many women. How about that polygamy tract?
Now then, Why would anyone stay at the alamo church? If you are there, git outta thar!

[no_stoppin_me]

Heynow, Tony Alamo did have many private conversations with Bill Levy (and I'm sure others), especially right after Susie died. That was way before the polygamy thing though.

Why are you so baffled that Tony Alamo could actually lie?? Of course he said he only has one wife. He thinks that if you are lying for God, then it is ok. He also thinks he is smart by playing with words, like he isnt actually "married" to more than one wife, so in his mind he isn't actually lying. See what I mean??

He thinks he is real slick, but people who have been around him long enough are clued into his "trickiness"

[heynow]

I totally realize tony is full of lies. I was just surprised he is so blatant now. Looking back I think he heavily promoted "lying for the lord" after I was out. Lying for the lord is sort of a "catch all" that will prevent him from being accountable to anyone at the outfit. This would explain why he said he had only one wife. Say for instance a foundation member would say, "tony you told a lie!" tony would answer, "I was lying for the lord." Quite convenient. No muss no fuss.
Did you notice no foundation folks are on the board disputing with us? I guess they realize we are discussing objective facts.