Armful of help [Archive]

wilma

12-20-2006, 04:10 PM

Great website, Tony. For sure, that is my favorite picture of you. www.armfulofhelp.org (http://www.armfulofhelp.org).

The_truth, did you check out that website? You should read the statements from those girls that Tony sexually assaulted and battered. You asked for proof that what we are saying is true. Looks to me like your request has been granted. Will you believe the testimony of multitudes that were physically raped and beaten, and the hundreds that were spiritually raped and demoralized by the so-called "world pastor"? Or have you CHOSEN to put your head in the sand and deny the REAL TRUTH when it is looking you in the face?
SG

hbananna

12-20-2006, 04:26 PM

WOW! Great site. Finally a site that exposes that scam organization. I LOVE IT!

carolfryer

12-20-2006, 06:13 PM

That site is fantastic. If anyone needs any financial support on that contact me. Ill try to help as much as I can. Thanks.

bill_l

12-20-2006, 07:48 PM

what a great web site Bernie ! You should have also put up on it that you had your wife interned in your dinning room in an open casket for months while you tried hard with all your might to raise her from the dead the only thing you raised was the stench. And then to add insult to injury you moved her into a self storage unit. Boy you are so romantic that the woman you claimed to love you had her remains put into self storage garage, and then had the nerve to pay for the storage by using tithes sent by the Harris family to pay for the unit boy you really crack me up holy one. as always your buddy Bill Levy. Thats my story and I am stickin to it

carolfryer

12-20-2006, 08:36 PM

After all that love and constant bragging on Susie, I remember the day he said when she died she was afraid of the flames and he thought she went to hell. You just cant beleive anything he says. He canges things according to his needs and lusts.

jr7global

01-08-2007, 01:03 AM

I am deeply hurt to see in writing how Tony Alamo have BackSlide !

I am James Richardson from the Early days of the Foundation,

I am still Save and Santified and Filled with The Precious Holy Spirit and Washed in The Precious Blood Of Jesus,

BEHOLD, I COME QUICKLY; HOLD FAST WHICH THOU HAST, THAT NO MAN TAKE THY CROWN!!! REV. 3;11

it is up to us who still are Saved and Love The Lord Jesus Christ to Interceed and Pray for these Inocent Children to be free and to pray for those that have not seen the Light as we all have!

Let us not be bitter but let us walk in forgiveness so that The True and Living God can be Glorified and Put a End to this CULT AND THE LEADER OF THIS CULT!

WE MUST REMEMBER THAT THE HOLY WORD OF GOD IS STILL TRUE,

AND THAT JESUS IS STILL COMING AGAIN!

PLEASE READ ST. JOHN 8;31-32, WHERE IT SAY , IF YOU CONTINUE IN MY WORD , THEN ARE YE MY DISCIPLES INDEED AND YE SHALL KNOW THE TRUTH AND THE TRUTH SHALL MAKE YOU FREE!

JUST KNOW THAT THE TRUE AND LIVING GOD WILL JUDGE RIGHTEOUS!

LET US ALL THAT LOVE JESUS BIND TOGETHER RIGHT NOW IN PRAYER!

LORD JESUS WE PRAY THAT YOU PUT A END TO ALL THIS DENONIC ACTIVITY AND SET THESE PEOPLE FREE, IN THE NAME OF JESUS WE PRAY AMEN

iasmann

03-19-2007, 10:31 PM

Katrina Gift Fuels Lawsuit
Monday, March 19, 2007 3:01 PM CDT
By Wanda Freeman
TIMES RECORD • WFREEMAN@SWTIMES.COM

A high-end mattress maker has brought suit in federal court accusing several groups and individuals of illegally selling more than half of the 8,000 mattresses it donated to aid people hit by Hurricane Katrina.

The other half, the manufacturer believes, are sitting in a Booneville warehouse controlled by several defendants, including one purportedly linked to cult leader and convicted felon Tony Alamo.

In Tempur-Pedic International Inc. v. Waste to Charity Inc. et al, filed last month in U.S. District Court, Western District of Arkansas, the mattress maker seeks recovery of donated goods it values at $15 million. It also seeks damages for breach of contract by Waste to Charity, and costs and damages relating to fraud by all defendants named in the suit.

The Lexington, Ky., corporation states in its Feb. 21 amended complaint that between November 2005 and October 2006 it donated mattresses, slippers and pillows for distribution to storm-stricken areas, and it contracted with the Woodbury, N.J., not-for-profit agency to distribute the goods to charitable organizations responding to Hurricane Katrina. The contract expressly prohibited selling the goods or distributing them for sale.

“Defendants, individually and acting in concert, have misappropriated the donated goods, are attempting to sell them for profit, and have continually made misrepresentations regarding their intentions and knowledge regarding the donated goods,” the complaint states.

The parties attended a show-cause hearing March 5 before U.S. Magistrate Judge James R. Marschewski, who on March 9 granted Tempur-Pedic’s motion for a preliminary injunction.

The mattress maker’s attorney, Jason T. Browning, said the injunction prohibits all defendants and anyone doing business with them from doing anything to the nearly 3,000 mattresses in the Booneville warehouse.

Besides Waste to Charity, the defendants are the agency’s president, Jack Fitzgerald of Sarasota, Fla.; Broco Supply Inc. of Mechanicsburg, Pa., and Broco sales representative Eric Volovic of Hershey, Pa.; Howard Hirsch of Harrisburg, Pa.; Thomas Scarcello of Moffett; and Close Out Surplus and Savings Inc. of Roseland, N.J., its owner, Ernest P. Peia of Morris Plains, N.J., and employee Nelson Silva.

iasmann

03-19-2007, 10:32 PM

According to Tempur-Pedic’s complaint, Volovic contacted an individual who would later be referred to as “the informant” and offered to sell him 3,300 Tempur-Pedic mattresses at drastically reduced prices. Volovic is said to have given the informant a picture of the inventory, which Tempur-Pedic confirmed were the uniquely packaged donated goods.

Some two months later, Volovic negotiated a deal with the informant and a “consultant” posing as the informant’s partner to sell the mattresses — and after a down payment, he divulged that the mattresses were in Booneville, the complaint states.

Local residents know the building as the former Ace Comb factory.

Tempur-Pedic’s complaint states that the property is owned by S. Ast and E. Mercado, and that its post office box is registered to a supermarket owned by the Tony Alamo Ministries. Alamo, who has lived in the Fouke area since 1998, was convicted of federal income tax evasion in 1994.

“Alamo is a convicted felon and known associate of defendant Scarcello,” Tempur-Pedic’s complaint states.

The mattress maker alleges that Volovic went to the Booneville warehouse on Feb. 5 accompanied by Hirsch, Scarcello and Silva, and that when the consultant counted only 2,650 mattresses, Silva said the missing 350 were in a warehouse in Fort Smith.

While the parties were at the Booneville warehouse, FBI agents arrived and interviewed the four defendants, the complaint states.

Tempur-Pedic also alleges that on Feb. 20, Peia contacted the mattress maker and said that through his company, Close Out Supply and Service, he had purchased 4,000 mattresses for $500,000 payable to Action Distributors, a company operated by Scarcello.

On Wednesday, Broco Supply filed a counterclaim stating that it acted in good faith when it entered into an agreement with Close Out Supply and had no knowledge of Waste to Charity, Fitzgerald or Scarcello.

Broco also claims to have acted in good faith when dealing with Tempur-Pedic’s undercover consultant, only learning later that the “supposed purchaser ... was nothing more than a bogus entity acting on behalf of the plaintiff.”

Attorney Browning said Thursday that the parties are in the midst of “pursuing discovery” in preparation for pre-trial planning meeting. A report on that meeting is due June 4. A bench trial before U.S. District Judge Robert T. Dawson is set for Jan. 7.

smitty

03-20-2007, 12:42 AM

Wow, Scarcello involved in a scam on Tony's behalf, who would'a guessedhttp://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif

saved_21570

03-20-2007, 12:44 AM

WELL, WELL, WELL!

I heard Tony has left the building. Now, I see why.

Do you think he'll leave his man Tommy Scarcello hanging in the wind? Will Tommy willing take the rap for Tony Alamo? This should be interesting.

Good reporting job, Ian.

Tom

heynow

03-20-2007, 02:30 AM

Okay, Here is my prophesy. If Tommy S. is truly busted he will go underground. I am sure tony will give him pointers on how to do it and what to avoid. I don't see any way in the world Tommy will come clean if they really have the goods on him. He will vanish like the wind. Follow the news and see if my prophesy comes to pass.

iasmann

03-20-2007, 05:11 AM

Tommy has enough info on Tony to put him away for good.
If I was Tony I'd be worried. And if I was Tommy I'd be even more worried because Tony is the least trustworthy person I know. If he'd have graduated from high school he would have been voted the most likely to betray his friends to save his own skin. We already saw it when he hid from the Millers and allowed us to lose our homes and 52 million worth of property that had been built up with our blood sweat and tears. One thing Tony won't do is go back to jail.
There's only one way for Tony to be sure that Tommy will never betray him. And that's to give him the old one way ride out into the desert in the middle of the night.

saved_21570

03-20-2007, 02:00 PM

Yea Ian, I was thinking the same thing, but who does he have that would do the dirty work?

Ol'Ton himself may have to pull the trigger on the 1st hit. He would probably boast about being the 1st to 'get his bones'. The heavies would then bury the body.

Well, I don't wish that evil on anyone, but if it happens, it happens. Just the progressive nature of evil.

Tom

redeemed_9131970

03-20-2007, 05:03 PM

Thanks for that powerful heads-up, Ian.

In light of all that Ian diligently posted within the past 24 hours, I took the liberty (since the next paragraph gives a little more exposed detail) of displaying this excerpt from the latest addition to the www.alamoministrieswatch.com (http://www.alamoministrieswatch.com) site:

…
Tempur-Pedic’s complaint states that the property is owned by S. Ast [Sharon Ast-Kroopf-Hoffman (Alamo)] and E. Mercado [Elizabeth Mercado (aka “Lizzy” Gutierrez)], and that its post office box is registered to a supermarket owned by the Tony Alamo Ministries. Alamo, who has lived in the Fouke area since 1998, was convicted of federal income tax evasion in 1994.

“Alamo is a convicted felon and known associate of defendant Scarcello,” Tempur-Pedic’s complaint states.
The mattress maker alleges that Volovic went to the Booneville warehouse on Feb. 5 accompanied by Hirsch, Scarcello and Silva, and that when the consultant counted only 2,650 mattresses, Silva said the missing 350 were in a warehouse in Fort Smith.
…

As most of us know, both of these women are the mothers of two of his tender aged children. He doesn’t seem very concerned about keeping those ‘dear’ to him out of harms way ... another fine example of Herr Toad being the user and taker we’ve so affectionately come to know – be it first hand or by the volumes of posts on FACTNet and numerous other internet sites.

Guess for whatever reasons, racist or otherwise, Lydia and Tabor were fortunate enough to get left out of this musical chairs fiasco. But then who knows what other pseudo charitable – i.e. Christian entities (falsely so called) are afoot within the sordid Tony Alamo Church Ministries? It’s more than just a safe hunch that this is only the tip of the iceberg for a whole slew of fraudulent activities.

Wonder who will be the last ‘man’ standing when this hurricane finishes blowing through?

Tony, have you quite decided who get’s stuck holding the bag (your bag) this time?
Or have you had enough rope yet?

Will the real honorary scapegoat for the notorious skategoat please stand up

Carolyn Pryor – redeemed: 9/13/1970 – pobox398

heynow

03-20-2007, 05:38 PM

Does that mean Lizzy and Sharon could leave the outfit and sell the warehouse? Hard to believe tony would give someone this much power. Even trusted wives. That would mean he couldn't go totally crazy and start beating them because they would leave and sell the property. Could you imagine the story? Sharon would be on 60 minutes.

anchored

03-20-2007, 06:20 PM

Thanks Ian, Tom, Carolyn.

Looks like Humpty Dumpty is on the verge of a great fall. When all the kings horses and all the kings men etc, etc......

Like you said Tom, we don't wish evil on anyone, it's just the progression of evil and evil simply will not prevail forever. Even a scam artist like Tone. It's God's law.

Thanks for all the updates.

Geo. Mac

(Message edited by anchored on March 20, 2007)

saved_21570

03-20-2007, 06:36 PM

heynow,

Tony Alamo only cares to cover his behind. The property is in their names, so that if something like this happens they can take the fall. Also, to avoid taxes. Tony maintains full and complete control.

The girls have pre-signed quick claim deeds, without dates. If they decided to leave, bingo, instantly the property belongs to someone else.

The real trouble these girls may truly be in, is for their own health and welfare. Tony may take their children and hide them, if he feels that the Feds can get to the wives.

Worse, of course, would be one of them just disappearing. He would say they ran away, and no one would ever find the body.

saved_21570

03-20-2007, 06:44 PM

I should add. It is very possible they did not even realize they owned the property. (Signing the papers Tony asks them to sign is such a light thing.) Much less, know what is actually being done with it.

heynow

03-20-2007, 07:00 PM

You are correct Saved about the deeds. I remember now. For example there was a time when tony had the vehicles signed over the brothers and sisters. There was a foundation 1966 elcamino that Curt Harrington drove. It was signed over to him. When Curt decided to leave the outfit he just drove away. The brothers contacted him and asked him to bring the car back. His answer was "Sorry the car is in my name." Not much tony could do except start having everybody sign over everthing to the outfit if they left. Those papers would be on file and the ownership would immediatly change.

pobox398

03-20-2007, 09:28 PM

Dejevu...

You're both so right, Tom and HeyNow. How many of us can attest to every bit of that hocus-pocus chicanery about signing back property on undated documents that had originally been granted to so many of us from the early days on? All of us that's who.

Honestly, how much more do the remaining die-hards need to convince them it's time to go.

(Message edited by pobox398 on March 20, 2007)

no_stoppin_me

03-20-2007, 10:48 PM

Even I remember the whole "name game". I was just a kid, but working in the office (heaven forbid - we be idle) and helped put together the corporate resolutions (I think that's what they were called). There would be 2 copies, one was signed over to the person and one had a blank date signing it back over. So tricky, TA.

wilma

03-21-2007, 02:27 PM

The recent Southwest Times Record newspaper article about Tommy Scarcello (and other Tony Alamo followers) scamming Tempur-Pedic International Inc. mattress company made the front page of Factnet. http://www.factnet.org

At the bottom of the article Factnet linked to www.alamoministrieswatch.org (http://www.alamoministrieswatch.org) so I guess a lot more people will become aware of Tony Alamo's Secrets.

AMW website even has a category dedicated to Tony's Arm Full of Help scam charity on there.

I find it amazing that we lived at the Foundation for so many years and yet never knew about Tony and Sue's background. We were kept sleep deprived, busy, and in the dark about most of the inner working of where the money went, etc. The information they had to give in their depositions is very informative and I am thankful that this stuff is coming to the light!

I read all of Susie's deposition posted on there. Boy, how could anyone not remember where they got married or where they lived or when and where their daughter was born?? Also Don and Kathy's deposition was very interesting.
Susie G

smitty

03-23-2007, 07:35 AM

The realy sad part is what's likely to come.....

Once the lawsuit goes down:
1.) Tony will vanish.
2.) Tommy Scarcello, Sharon K. and Lizzy G. will vanish
3.) The courts will find Tony guilty and order asets siezed
4.) Eveyone else will get kicked out of their homes...again Deja'Vu

smitty

03-23-2007, 07:37 AM

brother_d

03-23-2007, 01:18 PM

Given all that's come to light, and with a perspective from the outside, how many of the ex-members would do it all again? From what I've read in these posts recently, quite a few. It's hard to admit that so many of your best years were taken by fraud. Sad.

raining

03-23-2007, 04:25 PM

Our computer is back on line! Boy did I miss alot of action. Tony is going to leave Tommy hanging - or maybe Tony will do to Tommy what he did to Claudia (her ex-husband was one of the justin miller holders). It was reported that marshalls were seen on the street where claudia lived - they got a message from tony to "Get lost and don't EVER contact anyone at the foundation again".
after over 25 years of service she gets dumped off with nothing !

iasmann

03-24-2007, 06:12 AM

Smitty,

I think it will be very different this time. Last time it was primarily the actions of Tony that were illegal. Tony alone was guilty of tax fraud and only a few people were involved in the Justin Miller beating. They all vanished and the charges were dropped. The Miller beating was also a case of one persons word against another persons word because by the time Justin Miller was examined by a doctor it was impossible to prove the extent of the injuries. So as long as no one confessed there really wasn't any way it could be proved.

This situation is a lot different. This time we are talking about foundation people interacting with all kinds of outsiders and all kinds of paper trails through donation receipts and sales. The big issue is selling donations that they agreed not to sell and using the money for other purposes. They probably won't be able to nail Tony because he probably made sure he wasn't involved in any of the transactions.

He'll just say I never told anyone to sell stuff they weren't supposed to sell and I had no idea what was going on.

So this time it's Scarcello and all the others involved in the donation process that will go to jail. Tony will probably get off.

smitty

03-24-2007, 07:28 AM

Well, even if Tempur-Pedic recovers the half of the merchandise that wasn't stolen, If they press the lawsuit for the sold portion, then there's the chance that whatever assets they can get their hands on will be siezed

jimmy_g

03-24-2007, 05:13 PM

A dead fly in the ointment of the appothacary sends forth what? A little leavin leavineth the whole what? If the light in you be darkness how great is that what? Can't say I feel sorry for Tommy. After all these years and all these scams, in his heart he knows what's up.

heynow

03-24-2007, 05:31 PM

Jimmy, Of course Tommy knew what was up but, what else was Tommy going to do? If he left that would entail getting a "real" job. I don't think that is something Tommy S. really wants to do.

iasmann

03-24-2007, 06:48 PM

I know a lot of bad stuff is said about Tommy. Personally I have nothing against him. He never did me wrong. But he's involved in a bunch of illegal activity. And he's helping to support the monster. Probably more than most. You know what they say, If you can't do the time don't do the crime.
Besides he's kinda cute. I think they'll like him in prison.

LOL

anchored

03-24-2007, 07:32 PM

I don't know. Tony may not get off so easily either. The way I understood it, the Tempur-pedic trail leads pretty definitively to his involvement also, not just Tommy. And he does have a prison record for trying to swindle the government out of tax money. Selling high-end mattresses (donations intended for Katrina victims), that's pretty serious and the the previous tax evasion thing. There's pattern there. Ya think?

Of course, these days if you have enough money and good lawyers to boot.

God forbid but Slick Bernie (aka Tony Alamo), the serpent that he is, might slither away unscathed again.

alanb

03-24-2007, 07:52 PM

Tony doesn't think much of his lawyers. According to him, they aren't doing the job, so he will leave it up to G-d to do the job.
It's funny. The letter recieved by Sherry Potts in Texarkana from his lawyer did not even have a postmark anywhere on the envelope. Looks like it never went through the postal system, almost like it was just placed in her mailbox during the night. The postmaster in Texarkana confirmed that it was an internet Stamps online kind of thing. Maybe it wasn't even sent by his so-called lawyers. Who knows..........

saved_21570

03-25-2007, 09:38 AM

Looks like word is getting out.

From: Philanthropy Today

March 22, 2007

Nonprofit Group Sued for Selling Donated Katrina Mattresses
Tempur-Pedic International has sued a New Jersey nonprofit organization in federal court for $15-million, accusing it of selling half of the 8,000 mattresses the company donated to Hurricane Katrina refugees, reports the Fort Smith Times Record of Arkansas.

The company alleges that instead of distributing mattresses to New Orleans victims, officials at Waste to Charity, in Woodbury, N.J., negotiated side deals to sell 4,000 of them at drastically discounted prices, for a profit of $500,000.

The other half of the mattresses are reportedly sitting in an Arkansas warehouse owned by a cult leader and convicted felon named Tony Alamo, the newspaper said.

The company discovered the location of the missing goods when it sent an employee undercover, along with the original informant against the nonprofit group, to negotiate another illegal sale.

Officials of Waste to Charity were not quoted on their position on the allegations in the lawsuit.

The U.S. Magistrate Court has requested a report on activities surrounding the case by June 4, 2008, and set a trial date of January 7.

Posted on Thursday March 22, 2007 | Permalink

http://philanthropy.com/news/monthly/2007/03

saved_21570

03-25-2007, 09:41 AM

saved_21570

03-25-2007, 09:52 AM

One more from:

Areopagitica

March 22nd, 2007
Tony Alamo strikes again.
Mattress master Tempur-Pedic International has sued Waste to Charity — a New Jersey nonprofit organization — in federal court for $15-million, accusing it of selling half of the 8,000 mattresses the company donated to Hurricane Katrina refugees.

The mattress company alleges that instead of distributing mattresses to storm victims, officials at the alleged charity negotiated side deals to sell 4,000 of them at drastically discounted prices, netting a cool profit of $500,000.

The other half of the mattresses are reportedly sitting in an Arkansas warehouse owned by cult leader and convicted felon Bernie Lazar Hoffman, aka Tony Alamo.

Tempur-Pedic apparently discovered the location of the missing goods when it sent an employee undercover, along with the original informant against the nonprofit group, to negotiate another illegal sale.

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anchored

03-25-2007, 11:59 AM

"According to him, they aren't doing the job, so he will leave it up to G-d to do the job."

I distinctly remember six long years in prison for tax evasion that God didn't deliver him from. Nor did his lawyers.

raining

03-25-2007, 05:59 PM

All ex-members can almost hear what is going on inside the foundation. I can almost hear Tony's voice saying, "Tommy this whole mess is all your fault because you were out of the spirit." Tommy is the dog's head right now! He probably has been kicked out of the foundation or thrown out on the street like an old alley cat!

Oh, wait - the trial is a good ways off - so tony can still use tommy to line his pockets!

Tommy is going to get hung out to dry and take the entire rap for this. We all know Tony is going to distance himself from Tommy and say he didn't know Tommy was taking donated goods and selling them.

We all know better! We know anything that is done pertaining to the foundation is run past tony alamo 1st.

Anyone Remember the Ross store donations that were sold?

pharsez_n_phariseez

03-25-2007, 06:41 PM

Man, don’t you just hate it when you see another bastion of free enterprise, Mattress master Tempur-Pedic International, bow the knee to Baal and hitch up with the Vatican and all its cohorts to flagrantly attack such an upstanding pillar of Christianity with mean spirited entrapment!

If its hard out here for a pimp, that child abusing, child raping pedophile, polygamist pervert don\'t stand a fighting chance! Poor weasel can’t even make a few bucks at the expense of the woe begotten ‘Katrina’ disadvantaged without some lousy derivative of the Vatican: FBI; CIA; CAN; etc. horning in and making a big deal out of this illustrious world pastor’s creative attempts to feed his needs.

Oh well, like someone said, “If you can’t do the time don’t do the crime”

saved_21570

03-25-2007, 06:58 PM

I don't remember the Ross donations, but I remember even from the early days there were several regular donations that stopped giving to the 'church,' because the goods were being sold.

Tony Alamo will play dumb all of a sudden. As if he did not know where the money came from to pay for his full page newspaper adds.

Funny thing is, we all know, up until the time they were busted Tony was acting like he was the big shot. Telling everyone that he made all the money. Everyone else was just a flunky following his instructions.

It must be frustrating. Tony Alamo keeps trying to pull off all these secret con games, and more and more people are completly aware of exactly who he is.

brother_d

03-25-2007, 07:12 PM

So we're adding "stealing for Jesus" to the ministry that already embraces "lying for Jesus"? Tonee, I'll admit, you've really got the spirit, but what you've got didn't come from God. We were on to you a long time ago. That's why we left. Too bad there are some who still refuse to open their eyes. Tommy may wish he'd left before this is all over. Of course, I'm sure Tonnee is appalled, since he never knew any of this stealing from the poor was ever taking place.

raining

03-25-2007, 09:03 PM

I wonder if Tommy will become a Tempur-Pedic witness to save his skin?

I'm sure Tommy is being blasted by Tony everyday since this news has hit the front page! Tommy probably has his bucks taken away, he has been taken off driving and phones! Tony may have put Tommy in WARD!!! I'm sure by now the entire congregation has heard what a low life, out of the spirit weasel tommy scarcello is! They may not even know what happen, but Toni- the world pastor said it, so it must be true

heynow

03-25-2007, 09:07 PM

I don't think it is illegal to sell donated goods. Everybody does it; Salvation army, goodwill, and Father Mike selling your donated vehicle. The problem here is Temper-pedic specified those mattreses were to go to Katrina victims. They went to certain lengths to make sure they weren't sold. They kinda had a hunch somebody would sell them. Of course someone did. Now there is a violation.

jackrussell

03-25-2007, 09:39 PM

Alphonse Capone, the Teflon Don, and Tony Alamo. Birds of a feather, they flock together. All thought they were immune from from their atrocities. However the long arm of the law will eventually get them all, one way or another.

Al Capone, alias 'brothel boy' contracted syphillis unbeknowst to him. His crooked attorneys got around all his criminal activities, except for one, tax evasion. It was kind of invented just for him. He did about 11 years in prison all the while syphillis was eating away his brain, and he was stabbed a time or two there. Shortly after prison he died as a babbling idiot of complications of syphillis in 1947.

The Gambino family's golden boy in the 1980's, the 'Teflon Don' so named because all his racketeering indictments bounced off his thousand $ sharkskin suits like teflon. His enforcer, hit man 'Sammy the Bull' Gravano turned states evidence for a pass into the witness protection program. Make a long story short, the teflon wore out and the Gambino boy got life in prison were he died of throat cancer.

And Tony Alamo, having had prior felony convictions becomes a full blown tax evading, assault and battering, thieving pedophile.

The prosecution felt it could not make all that stick, even though they knew Tony Alamo is guilty as sin, so they Al Caponed him. Gave him the inordinately high 6 year sentence for the tax evasion to make up a little bit for the rest. Most tax evaders can cop a plea and get probaton or at the most a couple years. But oh no not Tony, smart •••, with his best attorneys were not going to get out of this one. Tony Alamo, now approaching 73, is now a prime candidate for another bust, maybe RICO after the dust settles on the mattress scam. And how appropo it would be seeing that dear Tony committed some of the most grievous sins on the mattress. So to any of the law enforcement that are monitoring the life and times of Tony Alamo, it is high time to take the ole boy to the mattress. 10 years for a repeat offender will do for starters, just so he doesn't die in the lap of luxury in the free world! Thats only fair. There should be at least one of those old diehard 'yes men' or women in the cult that would accept the pass for immunity from prosecution for their testimony. The government does know how to put the screws down when they want to. And all of the would be heirs of Tony Alamo, a repeat offender, if he is again convicted of this malfeasance, have you heard of the 'forfeiture and confiscation act.' Unlike Al Capone, who when finally released from prison, went drooling back to his wealthy mansion in Miami that he had secured with his tainted money, this new law, initially designed to take back the wealth, yachts, and mansions of the drug lords in the 1980's can be also enforced under RICO. We patiently wait for the next shoe to drop! Tempus fugit!

anchored

03-25-2007, 10:45 PM

Yeah, raining. And he's probably got the whole congregation fasting their guts out again on a seven-day, or longer, fast.

Raging rebukes, screaming and yelling flying all over the place since I don't imagine Tony Alamo would be in the best of moods these days with everything starting to cave in all around him.

Sure glad I'm not there any more to be around the wrath of Tony Alamo. I saw it first hand for years. I can about imagine what the disgusting old pervert would be like now when he gets in a foul mood and when every little thing doesn't go his way.

I love living in the peace that God has given me since I left that crazy place. I love the good life, life more abundantly that God promised us on this side. No more crazy reports. No more being told every move to make. No more being told that everything is our fault. No more going to services to get something from the Lord, to be uplifted and encouraged and instead being called devils, weasels, a**holes, old alley cats, moochers, parasites, etc. No more surprises like having the phone ring or someone to walk up to you and saying - Tony wants to see you right now over in the Spec House.

Thank God for deliverance from that zoo and boy what a zoo that place must be by now.

P.S. I think I'll eat out tonight with some friends at a nice restaurant. Don't feel like cookin'. Also, we will probably go to a movie afterwards, or go rent a good DVD. I love the truth, it's sets you free. I love the good life.
Thank you God.

(Message edited by anchored on March 25, 2007)

raining

03-27-2007, 01:00 AM

heynow - I wasn't saying it was illegal to sell donated good. The deal with the mattresses were that tommy - or whoever, signed an agreement not to sell the donated goods. I think they had the same agreement with the Ross Dress for Less store. That donated merchandise got sold too!

saved_21570

03-27-2007, 01:58 AM

It is common practice, for large manufacturers, when they donate goods, that the nonprofit organization to sign a waver. It usually specifies that the goods cannot be resold. Sometimes it just specifies not being sold in the US

This is for two reasons: 1.) To keep the donated goods from underselling themselves and their customer base. 2.) In order that the goods will truly go to people who are in need of the goods.

We had an ongoing donation with Redken hair products, back in the early days of the church. It was truly a blessing at the time. A similar waver had been signed but Tony Alamo told the bros' to sell the excess. Of course, it was stopped when Redken found their goods showing up at swap meets and such. What a blessing we would have received if we had just given the excess to the other missions in the LA area.

The Bible says that a righteous man gives his word, even if it is to his own hurt "He changes not." I guess Tony ripped that one out of his Bible.

The real problem with Tempurpedic is manifold.

First, it is a very large amount of money! (Grand larceny)

Second, it is dealing across State lines. (Read-Federal offense.)

Third, With the spotlight of the whole nation on Hurricane Katrina victims, just how stupid can you be?

Greed blinds the eye.

iasmann

03-27-2007, 05:55 AM

It's the old saying, Give them enough rope and they'll hang themselves.

phahrrrt_detector

03-29-2007, 03:46 AM

Shmoni ???
Tommy ???
cuhm ouht
cuhm ouht
wharr evr u r

uh
mah bahd

ah knowz
u aint highden
Shmoni
no
not frum nobuddy
cuz u dun tohld us
ohn yer fumah
(dat meenz smokin!)
ray-dee-o show
dat u dont run
no
not frum nobuddy
rite ???

2 bahd
u didnt tell ur bowelz dat
wen da fedz foun u
hangen (highden) ouht
at da wild child raunt
n tampa
pretinden 2 b Harvey
huh Shmoni ???

cuz da wurd
ohn da streetz iz
dey wuz jez uh-runnin
ahl ovr da playse
(yer bowelz dat iz)
iz dat rite Shmoni ???
huh ??? izzit ???

well enywayz
Shmoni
ifn u seez Tommy
wood u tehl him
da law iz loohkin 4 him

dont cha thingk
itz mittey weird
dat Tommy
aint nowharr
2 b foun ???
he mus b stuhk
ohn watch sumwharrz
huh ???

akz Buster er Ben er mabe Don
to cuver 4 him
soz he
kin giv hiz side
o da storey
o dis heer mattris mess
k Shmoni ???

see u woodnt wunt 2 b u
Phahrrrt detecter

marvel

03-30-2007, 09:01 PM

Affidavit

Before Ian and Ann Mann left the Tony Alamo Christian Church; I, Kathy Bolpa lived with Ian and Ann Mann at different times when I was single and when I was married.

In fact, I am very surprised that they are still together now because each of them went after someone else to have relations with while they were still married to each other in the Church.

During the years of 1987-1988, Ann Mann went after a young Christian named Clint Rommel who was a roofer at the Church.

Ann manipulated the schedules of the Church to be able to take Clint everywhere with her. She was very obvious. She would go purchasing, be around the Church with Clint, go to the Laundromat and about anywhere else she or he needed to go. She would take one of the young naive children in the Church to be her rider so that the child would not know what her intentions were. All the while acting very Holy.

After it was reported to the Pastor, Ian had been in Fort Smith for a short time working in the print shop. Ian was called to come back home so that he would not lose his wife Ann. Because she wanted to be with Clint Rommel.

Now in the years of 1992-1993, Ian was also very obvious. This time, I was married and we were living with the Mann’s. Ann told me that something was going on with Ian.
She told me that Ian was getting up at 3 AM to take a prayer hour.

She said that she knew that there was something going on. Because Ian did not have a spiritual bone in his body. She made a point to find out what was going on with Ian.

Ann would do her job real fast in the morning and then go to the print shop to work with Ian.

Well, when she got to the print shop she found out that her husband was downright flirting with Shelah Decker. Ian had every intention of having relations with Shelah Decker. A 13 year old girl.

Ann also found out that Ian was taking Shelah and other young girls to their Chiropractor appointments. Of course, Shelah did not want anything to do with Ian.

As soon as this was reported, Ian got into trouble because of Shelah. I myself drove Shelah back to Fort Smith, Arkansas. To get her away from Ian Mann. Ian did leave the Church then came back, then disappeared in the middle of the night with Ann and Scotty.

At Christmas time in the year of 1999 I got a Christmas card with a picture form Ian and Ann after they had left the Church. They sure did not look the same as I had known them.
Signed,
Kathy Bolpa
3-28-07

iasmann

03-30-2007, 09:59 PM

Ha Ha Ha. At least Bolpa has the guts to sign her name. More than I can say for the rest of Tony's minions.

Why were young girls going to the chiropractor? Did they hurt their backs lifting boxes of donated goods that were being sold illegally?

What is the significance of looking different in a Christmas card? I can't quite figure that out.

Don't worry Kathy we won't hold this against you. If you ever leave you can call on us to help out. We're in the phone book.

anchored

03-30-2007, 10:12 PM

Yeah, we all know how much you and Tony Alamo hate Ian and Ann Mann. They have done so much to expose the real Tony Alamo.

You know what, even if the above was true, which is doubtful --LOOK at the example that the self-proclaimed "world pastor" Tony Alamo was, and is still, setting. The confusion of Tony's example and influence on the brothers and sisters back then caused a lot of marriages to be shaky and then end in disaster.

Thankfully, Ian, Ann and Scotty survived Tony Alamo's abuse and rotten example and they are very happily married and very happy in the Lord. Everything got back to normal in their Christian lives as soon as they got away from the monster and the sheep destroyer and fleecer, Tony Alamo.

Everyone makes mistakes, but nothing compares to Tony Alamo raping all those little girls (who are the daughters of members of his cult congregation) and then sticking a ring on their fingers and telling them they are his "wives."

Tony Alamo, in addition to being a child rapist, is a child beater and abuser (has beaten or had children beaten 140 times with a 2 x 4 until they were bloody. He is a liar, a thief (the latest episode being the Tempur-Pedic fiasco, selling donated goods for the Katrina victims for profit). He's a prophet all right, spelled PROFIT.

Tony Alamo is also a plagiarizer, a polygamist, false prophet, scatterer of sheep and destroyer of souls. And, meanwhile doing all of these abominations in the name of God, this pervert is proclaiming himself to be a "world pastor."

No matter how much you or anyone else tries to get the focus off the real culprit, it won't work.

The whole world is being made aware of this horrible monster of a man.

Tempur-Pedic is probably just the tip of the iceberg.

weaned_child

03-30-2007, 11:46 PM

Here’s the kicker: Tommy Scarcello has always been one of big Tone’s chief boot lickers literally for years. And now just as Brutus was to Caesar so Tommy may very well be to Tony. Is it too far fetched to envision ol’ Tony gasping in the not too distant future “Et tu, Tommas?!” That little piece of Tommy’s heart with his name on it (from that dream he had a long long time ago) has probably gotten bigger and bigger over the years yep to the point of all consuming.
Tony and Tommy both are genuine sick twisted freaks of the baser sort to the max!
Back when the Miller brothers left before they could get the boot Tony Alamo must of gotten some kind of crazy feudal pleasure when he callously awarded Bob Miller’s wife, Susan McElroy Miller, to Tommy in such a gross spoils-of-war gesture. As if the only value Sue could possibly represent (for her grave unforgivable error of having been Bob Miller’s wife, the man Tony irrationally deemed his arch enemy at the time) was that of serfdom chattel and nothing more. Sue would have been smart to have followed Bob’s lead and split too but then hind sight is always 20/20.
Everybody knows Tommy’s game has always been one of treacherously knifing whoever the situation called for (even when it didn’t). The top of that list being his first wife who he tried his damndest to emotionally and spiritually stomp the life out of all the while he chased one of the unmarried Funmaker girls as Susan Alamo lay dying in Tulsa.
There’s no question that Tommy’s first allegiance was not to Jesus but to Susie. Then after she was gone he did every thing he knew how to worm his way into Tony Alamo’s ego centered favor which may ultimately have had a soul-for-sale price tag on it.
Tommy has burnt so many bridges over the years I doubt if even any of the aged hanger-oners feel any real sympathy for the guy. Betcha dimes to mattresses behind closed doors the attitude is: Tommy’s finally getting his fair come-upins in spades.
If Tommy had a mattress for every time he purposely gave someone the shaft to save his own skin or just to simply make himself look good, then he’d have more than enough compounded to infinitely replace all his ill gotten gain easy!

‘In the transgression of an evil man (TA) there is a snare (to himself and to all those weak enough to follow his lead):
but the righteous doth sing and rejoice.’

Over time the foundation has fallen prey to a small handful of misguided lesser elements such as Tommy following too closely on their leader’s heels: wolves and brown nosed hirelings corralling and fleecing the overtrusting sheep at lord Tony Alamo’s every whim.

It appears that now’s as good a time as any for us to start limbering up our vocal cords to sing and rejoice brothers and sisters!

Yes siree Tommy what goes around comes around.
Now I ask you is that a huge rotten goose egg comin round the bend or can it be …?
Yes …!
I think it is!
… a mega heart with Tommy’s name written all over it!

pobox398

03-31-2007, 12:43 AM

Who is Kathy Bolpa?

hbanana

03-31-2007, 01:35 AM

Isn't Kathy Bolpa that chick that lied for Tony to lease that house he was busted in, in Tampa? I know I read that somewhere. She secured the lease with some landlord from Ohio and claimed that her and her husband and 9 year old daughter were going to live in that house but it turned out it was a cover for Tony. If she would lie for Tony then, one can only assume she is lying for him now. Poor thing.

iasmann

03-31-2007, 01:37 AM

Kathy Bolpa formerly Kathy Wolfly.

When Alamo was hiding under false names from federal authorities on child abuse charges and tax fraud charges she rented the house he was living in. She lied on the rental application saying the house was for her and her husband and their 9 year old daughter. They picked a landlord who was out of state so they wouldn't come around and find out they had been lied to.

Tony teaches his followers to be liars. They lie when they get donations, they lie about his wives, they lie about everything.

"The woman who rented to the Alamos ... thought she was leasing her spacious 3 bedroom waterside home at 4912 San Rafael to Paul and Kathy Bolpa, a quiet couple with a 9 year old daughter." From the St. Petersburg Times July 6, 1991.

Once again the evidence that Alamo and his followers are liars is documented. God has made it this way so that any one can see that Tony Alamo is a sham and a fake.

By the way, just another reflection on Tony's character or rather lack of character. This was not long after the raid on the ridge. Many of Tony's followers were almost destitute. Having no place to live, no job skills and unable to give any kind of employment referances to even get a good job. Of course we already know it was because he was afraid to show himself in court because he knew he was guilty. But, after that instead of feeling some remorse that he had caused all these people to lose their homes he goes out and gets a nice waterfront home for himself. That same money would have gotten two or three apartments and helped out some of the followers but do you think he cared? No way!

pobox398

03-31-2007, 03:31 AM

Thank you Hannah and Ian for helping us discern exactly who Mrs. Bolpa is and shedding some light on the nature of the credibility of her testimony.
Sad to see Kathy like so many others is still under his beguiling, corrupting spell...cp

brother_d

03-31-2007, 03:45 AM

Kathy -

You know better.

brother_d

03-31-2007, 03:48 AM

I think the Manns did not look the same in the Christmas card as when you knew them is because they were finally free and it showed.

no_stoppin_me

03-31-2007, 11:21 AM

Kathy Bolpa aka Wolflie....

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ........
Tell Tony you need some new info, that story is old and boring already.

And what's with the "affidavit"???? lol

anchored

03-31-2007, 03:42 PM

These statements are to Tommy S, Bob S and all the other suck butts that need someone like A-lame-o to tell them every move to make. The Lord showed me years ago that it boils down to allegiance. 'Where the heart is, there will the treasure be also.'

At first, Tommy's allegiance was to Susie (the heil Hitler type of allegiance), then when she was out of the picture, all little Tommy had left was Bernie Lazar Hoffman, so he started licking his boots even more vehemently.

Some people just can't survive unless they're licking boots. I'm conviced that Tommy and Bob stay there (along with the other boot lickers in varying degrees of foundation protocol and Kathy Wolfie falls in there somewhere down the ladder) because their chances of finding another pair of elevator boots that would gratify or measure up would be very unlikely. In other words, Tony Alamo saw the qualified bootlicking candidates coming.

I thought the following statements by weaned-child summed it all up pretty good.

"There’s no question that Tommy’s first allegiance was not to Jesus but to Susie. Then after she was gone he did every thing he knew how to worm his way into Tony Alamo’s ego centered favor which may ultimately have had a soul-for-sale price tag on it."

"‘In the transgression of an evil man (TA) there is a snare (to himself and to all those weak enough to follow his lead.'"

"Over time the foundation has fallen prey to a small handful of misguided lesser elements such as Tommy following too closely on their leader’s heels: wolves and brown nosed hirelings corralling and fleecing the overtrusting sheep at lord Tony Alamo’s every whim."

"Yes siree Tommy what goes around comes around."

I agree. Tommy and the others are reaping what they've sowed. Again, it's the allegiance factor. "Where the heart is, there is the treasure also." Their heart is with a man, and an hireling of a man at that. Like Ian said, the old adage "give them enough rope and they'll hang themselves" really applies here.

And I have prayed for them but somehow the burden isn't so great any more.

anchored

03-31-2007, 04:46 PM

And by the way, I got the same Christmas card from the Manns that you got Wolfie.

What's the big deal that you mentioned that anyway? One must assume since the rest of your post was derogatory that you had additional ill-intent by mentioning that. Your words betray your heart. God looks at the heart, not some Christmas card photo or the way people look outwardly. If that were the case, Tony Alamo would have been dead a long time ago. His face'd stop an old lady's clock.

Anyway, I thought Ian and Ann looked the same only with a few more years on them just like all the rest of us. Including I'm sure, you. One big difference I noticed was that I saw more peace and joy of the Lord in their faces.

phahrrrt_detector

03-31-2007, 05:09 PM

Af-fee-day-vid
Shmaf-fee-day-vid !!!

dat dont put no trooth
2 nuthin
wen iht b cumin
owt o dat Lahmo hell-hole
cuz evrybuddy knowz
dat playse iz full
uv uh pack uh lyerz !!!

y datz lahk
Shmoni sayen
\\"ah did noht hav sekz
wif doze chillunz\\"

LYZ !!! LYZ !!!
N MO LYZ !!!

we ahl knowz
HE DANG SHUR DID !!!

n lessen uv-corse
he didnt tay-k nun
uv dem chillunz
n2 highden wif him
we ahl knowz
HE DANG SHUR STIHL IZ !!!
(hmmm
wood b perty
hard 2 maggin
ole Shmoni
travlin dat lyhte)

oohpz
ah almos 4got
wut mah point wuz

dem sheeple will say
enythin Shmoni tehlz dem 2

Kathy Wuffey Dolpaz wurd
dont karry no w8t
(now Kathy DU
buht her wurd DONT)

if dem fokez
will steel
frum da po
beet n rayp
chillun
keehp peepul
frum leevin
ov dey own free will
wen dey wuntz 2
den 4 shur
dey will lye
bout pert neer
evrthin
jez lahk Shmoni
alwayz duz
ohn hiz fuhma
(dat meenz: smokin!)
ray-dee-oh show

so miz dopey
u kin jez put dat
n yer pipe n smoke iht !!!
cuz yer hy-fuh-lootin
af-fee-day-vid
cred-uh-bill-i-tee
b uh dawg
dat sho dont hunt
roun heer

now lode dat uhp n yer ahrmz ful o hell-p
n tay-k dat bahk 2 toadie
Phahrrrt detecter

weaned_child

03-31-2007, 05:30 PM

Phahrrrt detector you bust me up the way you just keep on springing gushers to hose those idiots down. May your well never run dry.

no_stoppin_me

03-31-2007, 07:06 PM

Phahrrt...

You are so damn funny. Anyone who actually takes the time to read your post very slowly cannot help but laugh out loud. I think even "Shmoni" gets a chuckle or two out of them. (or not)

saved_21570

03-31-2007, 08:32 PM

no_stoppin;

Somehow I don't think he would see the humor in it. LOL

heynow

04-01-2007, 12:12 AM

Bolpa. Yes Now I remember. I wonder if Paul would write something on the board. Would be interesting. The fact is Tony is definetely tuned in and reading every word (or having it read to him). You know what Ian? Why don't we invite Tony himself to a discussion? I don't think he would do well on this type of forum. Number one; He would not be able to interupt anyone. Number two; No "yes men" (and yes women?) would be able to chime in every few minutes. Number three; He is scared.
Then again Tony might decide to write. Tony, if you decide to write something (and sign it) there will be no namecalling or cussing. Goes for us to. We will only discuss the facts (two or more witnesses) and we won't cuss or call you names. Fair enough? Okay we should hear from you soon.

pharsez_n_phariseez

04-01-2007, 02:43 AM

Discuss what?
That Tony Alamo is a pedophile raping and abusing children, a parasite living off the lives of others and a reprobate mocking all that is Holy?
Seriously, whats to discuss? He just needs to come clean and turn himself in to the authorities. And oh yeah, once hes done that, before hes sent away sure hope he doesnt forget to stock pile all the jars of Vaseline he can get his hands on. Especially since its rather doubtful he will find as much as hes going to need once they get him back inside The Joint.
Heynow, my bet is that if you are really thinking Tony is going to join in some discussion Hell will freeze first and since we know that aint happening you can probably kiss off any one-on-ones with Big Tone. Besides, no offense Heynow, who in their right mind would even want to?

(Message edited by pharsez_n_phariseez on March 31, 2007)

heynow

04-01-2007, 04:04 AM

Goodness sakes pharisee. Be Cool. Don't you see 99.9% of this board is about tony and what he did, etc etc. Now, it would seem to me the most interesting exchange would be to have tony himself show up and have a discussion. This onesided deal is just gettin old. Of course you guys must keep your cool. If you lose your cool you won't be any good. Like I said no namecalling or cussing. When this happens it is evident you have lost your cool. Boards like this are absolutely excellent for digging out the facts. It always amazes me when I start a "fact finding" discussion on boards like this and folks start cussing and namecalling. I don't do that. I much more prefer to drag out the truth from the individual himself (herself?). Much more satisfying than just cussing and namecalling. Let's get that tony alamo on here. Or perhaps Tommy S. Now that would really be an interesting exchange.

no_stoppin_me

04-01-2007, 05:00 AM

Tony Alamo is a liar, rapist, pedophile, pervert, polygamist, thief...Ok discussion over.

hbanana

04-01-2007, 05:52 AM

You forgot financial extortionist, spiritual extortionist, despot, woman hater, tyrannical ruler, plagiarist, and this list is endless…

iasmann

04-01-2007, 03:23 PM

We're already discussing with Tony since he dictates pretty much everything his followers say.
But you can't discuss anything with a pathalogical liar. He's not going to admit to anything he's done. He's just going to keep lying about others to take the focus off of himself.
But if he does come on here in his own name I promise not to cuss but I won't promise not to call him names.

iasmann

04-01-2007, 04:55 PM

I was just istening to one of the audio excerpts on alamoministries watch.org. Tony was saying that God will kill people who come against him.
He said there was one guy who dropped dead three times in one day then the same guy dropped dead again the next day.
So this same guy has now dropped dead 4 times and Tony said this same guy is hanging on a thread and could drop dead again at any time.
LOLROFL
Is Tony losing it or what?

anchored

04-01-2007, 05:56 PM

LOLROFL is right.

Like the Lord would kill people for reporting the truth. He blesses people for telling the truth.

Tony's god is telling him a lot of things and, of course, since he has been totally out of touch with the God of the Bible for so long now, he believes the lies that his god is telling him.

And this is what God says he will do with those that receive not the love of the truth but have pleasure in unrighteousness.

"And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie. That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."

Is Tony losing it? Or has he already lost it?

anchored

04-01-2007, 06:07 PM

LOLROFL is right.

Like the Lord would kill people for reporting the truth. On the contrary, He blesses people for telling the truth. So if telling the truth is "coming against him", then sobeit.

Tony's god is telling him a lot of things and, of course, since he has been totally out of touch with the God of the Bible for so long now, he believes the lies that his god is telling him and thinks it's God.

Just like he told everyone that God was telling him Jared was lying when Jared and some of those standing around knew Jared was telling the truth, but the great Tony Alamo said "God told him Jared was lying." We all know which god that was, don't we? Tony is still listening to the same god that told him he was going to kill those that come against him.

And this is what God says he will do with those that receive not the love of the truth but have pleasure in unrighteousness.

"And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie. That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."

Sounds like Tony Alamo to me.

Is Tony losing it? Or has he already lost it? Or did he ever have it? He's an expert faker/actor and promoter you know.

anchored

04-01-2007, 06:14 PM

Ignore the first post. I accidentally hit "post" before I was finished and immediately hit "cancel post" but it went on anyway.

This second post is the completed one. Sorry.

saved_21570

04-01-2007, 06:26 PM

heynow;

"The wicked flee, when no man pursues."
Tony is spending all his time fleeing right now. He flees from facnet, he flees from the Feds, he flees from Fouke. He is busy running, running running.

When he has time he will be screaming at his followers that it's all their fault. "YOU PEOPLE!!" Then he may squeese in a rail, or a false accusation. Dictated to some poor soul who has to post it.

On a good day, an evil man (Tony) would still not willingly "come to the light", "for fear his deeds will be reproved." Otherwize, he wouldn't spend so much time running, hiding, and throwing hissy fits. He would have been here a long time ago.

weaned_child

04-01-2007, 06:36 PM

BINGO!

anchored

04-01-2007, 06:43 PM

And by the way, I am not trying, nor would I ever try, to reason or carry on a conversation or debate with this pathological liar, Tony Alamo. There is no reasoning with a pathological liar. They are just going to lie some more because that is their greatest weapon.

It's just that whenever I hear of anything that Tony Alamo says I am going to refute it because I know that anything he has to say will not be sincere based on the Word. It will be a twisting of the Word for his own perverted gains.

When God sends someone strong delusion to believe a lie, as in the case of Tony Alamo, the majority of words from his mouth will be twisted lies. So when he says he's hearing from God, you know that's a lie right off the bat.

He will always try to use scare tactics, i.e., saying he's hearing from God and using God's name to back him.

He lies so much, he can't stand the truth and he can't stand to be exposed for the liar he really is.

wilma

04-01-2007, 07:42 PM

At the top of the list of Tony Alamo's lies is him repeatedly saying that he only has ONE wife. For anyone who was still in the Foundation after Feb 1993 WE ALL KNOW that he was coercing through threats of eternal damnation multitudes of girls (many of them underage) to become his wives. Granted he did not go downtown and obtain a marriage license, but he did whisper a little marriage ceremony beofre he raped these terrified girls and then gave them a wedding ring and they moved into his household. He continues to proclaim that polygamy is sanctioned and commanded by God, but that he himself only has ONE wife even though he has had children by three of these women still living in his house. Such a pathological liar!!! He boasted numerous times back in 1993 and 1994 of his conquests to the whole congregation. After his sexual deviance became a topic at the IRS case in Memphis in 1994 he tried to put a lid on the information and told his followers not to tell the new converts when they first came in about his teachings and practicing polygamy. When he got out of jail at the end of 1998, according to eye witnesses, he started marrying 12 and 13 year old girls and even younger, all the while proclaiming that god told him to do it.
He is a megalomaniac, narcissistic, egotistical, lying old man. Anyone who believes anything he says is a fool.
Susie G

brother_d

04-01-2007, 07:43 PM

OK. If Tonnee agrees to come on this forum, I will not curse at him or call him names...unless he starts to sing, then all bets are off! A person can only stand so much.

pharsez_n_phariseez

04-01-2007, 07:45 PM

Its all good Anchored

How many ways can you spell w-e-a-s-e-l ?
Tony Alamo
Bernie Lazar Hoffman
PaPa Tony
Poppa Tony

Those aint cuss words Heynow
but they ought to be

wilma

04-01-2007, 08:17 PM

Tommy Scarcello, shame on you for participating with Tony Alamo in stealing from the victims of Hurricane Katrina. You are up to your same old tricks and it is high time that your sins have found you out, just as the Bible says they would.

You all will remember that all throughout the late 1970's and 1980's Tommy Scarcello managed one of Tony's businesses called TCB Dist. (Tennessee Country Boy Distributors) I worked (not paid, of course) as Tommy's secretary in the early '80's. I remember back in the early 1980's when Avon Cosmetics donated a semi-trailer load of cosmetics to one of the Foundation charities. After giving each of the girls in the church a little TINY bag of cosmetics and setting aside a very SMALL amount to take on visits to nursing homes, Tommy was getting ready to sell the semi-trailer load of Avon to Don Fox in Oklahoma City for $5,000. While filing the original paperwork I saw that Tony Alamo had made an agreement with Avon and signed that the Avon would be distributed to the needy and would NOT be sold. This bothered me and I assumed that a mistake was being made (me still being deceived and thinking Tony was a man of God). I brought the information to Tommy and asked him how he could be selling this to Don Fox when Tony had signed an agreement that it wouldn't be sold. Tommy basically told me that Tony was aware of what was being done and that it was okay.....end of conversation. I knew this was wrong, but if the prophet of God was saying it was okay, it must be okay, right? I was quite confused since to me, Tony Alamo being a con-artist and liar was not something I could accept at the time.

Years later Tony Alamo developed Arm Full of Help, his tax-exempt charity so that he could scam people on a larger scale. He's gotten away with it for many years, but looks like justice may finally catch up to him.

Let it be noted that Tony occasionally had his followers give away a small portion of the merchandise to the needy or to nursing homes so that he could request letters of commendation and thanks from them. Then Tony would use those letters to extract MORE donations from unsuspecting business donors. See his website at armfullofhelp.org to view some of these letters of commendation. To Tony Alamo it's all about USING AND SCAMMING the innocent!!!
Susie G

bystander

04-02-2007, 03:52 AM

Ian...that man who Tony says dropped dead 4 times is none other than the Rev. Roger Mixon. Tony has repeatedly vilified Roger on his radio programs. Tony said Roger is hanging on by a thread and will not last long. Well, guess what?
Roger is alive and doing remarkable well. As a matter of fact, I have asked him to put his testimony in writing and I am going to ask www.alamoministrieswatch.org (http://www.alamoministrieswatch.org) to put it on their website to give glory to God and also to show the world that Tony Alamo has no idea what he is talking about.

Roger had a doctor's appointment last Wednesday and the doctor told him he is a living miracle.
Praise God!

anchored

04-02-2007, 07:01 PM

Pharsez

ROTFL - that is really funny. Great post.

wilma

04-02-2007, 08:28 PM

I am reluctant to make a new thread since there are already so many, but after just seeing the new article about the REAL Tony Alamo posted to www.alamoministrieswatch.org (http://www.alamoministrieswatch.org) I am tempted to start a thread titled, "Tony Alamo--The Impostor".
Definition: impostor (also imposter) - a person who pretends to be someone else in order to deceive others, esp. for fraudulent gain.

Just a joke here but maybe in future dictionaries when they give an example of the word "impostor" they will use Tony Alamo as a perfect example.

Tony pretended and implied for years that he worked with the Sammy Kaye band. He even had us come to his house on the Ridge and played the Sammy Kaye records for us where it says "now Tony Alamo will sing with Judy Johnson". Such an imposter. I am going to see if I can find something i posted on Factnet a long time ago about that and submit it to the contact page on AlamoMinistriesWatch site and see if they'll post it along with that article.

We all know he is an impostor and posed as Harvey Cochran and other aliases when he was in hiding from the FBI for two years after he was charged with felony child abuse and then threatening a Federal judge.

We know his legal name is still Bernie Lazar Hoffman but he still goes by Tony Alamo in an attempt to confuse people.

He is a plagarizer, impostor, scam man, con-artist, rapist, pedophile, polygamist, seducer, adulterer, thief, liar and the list goes on................
Susie G

skeptik

04-02-2007, 08:57 PM

Comrade Alamo, according to one of his tracts, claimed that he changed his name to Alamo due to the success of Italian-Americans who pursued a singing career. Alamo was born in Joplin, while the Tony Alamo that sang with Sammy Kaye was from Havana Cuba.

anchored

04-02-2007, 11:23 PM

Thanks Wilma & skeptik. Good info.

That means Tony Alamo was lying from the git go about the Sammy Kaye gig. Even before Crescent Hgts. He started feedin' that line to the Carlos Ave. brothers and sisters. So, in reality, we had a pastor that was a bare-faced liar from the git go.

It was part of his self-exaltation, making all of us think he was at one time a big band pro singer. Sammy Kaye was one of the big time, no mickey mouse stuff. Way above Bernie's league.

I, for one, believed it but in the back of my mind I did always marvel at how he could've gone from such a high caliber singer to the droning I heard him do over the years and also since there was such a huge difference between Sammy Kaye's Tony Alamo performance level and Bernie's.

Knowing now what a liar and deceiver he is, I wasn't at all surprised when I heard the truth about it. I'm glad someone was able to come up with the real Tony Alamo by doing the research on Sammy Kaye's singers, the Kaydettes.

He was always trying to copy Elvis too. He thought he was so Elvis-like. Again, in the back of my mind I always thought, in your dreams Bernie. You're not even close. Talk about delusional.

pobox398

04-03-2007, 01:26 AM

Speaking of TA's idolatry quirks, Johnny Cash was probably right up there running Elvis a close second. How sad he chose not to focus on Jesus Christ and Him crucified, with a single eye and a contrite heart. He must have forgot that's what the Lord told Bessie it's all about, either that or he never had ears to really hear - eternity will tell.

anchored

04-03-2007, 03:48 AM

Well, here's the way I see it now. Since he's been lying from the git go, and this is just one example; the claim to be the singer Tony Alamo in Sammy Kaye's orchestra when he, himself, knew all along that he wasn't that Tony Alamo. And then keep telling that lie down through the years.

How could he even be called of God to begin with? Would God call an imposter (which is the same as a liar/deceiver) to be the pastor over a flock? How do we know how many other lies he has told down through the years, during that time we were all still there? If he told one lie, do you think he would hesitate to tell other lies?

He has a history of puffing himself up over the pulpit telling how great he is, citing all his supposed accomplishments and exaggerating his alleged association with the stars. He had all the earmarks of someone building up their own image as someone to be looked up to, respected, feared and revered. So we would think God chose this big shot to be over us. I see it now as all part of his agenda to control everyone.

I remember the last service we ever went to. It was in that little church in Ft. Smith He talked exclusively about Tony Alamo and all his supposed accomplishments. It was so boring and tedious to sit there and listen to him ramble on about himself. We never heard the name Jesus once. It soon became obvious whose name was being lifted up and it sure wasn't the Lord Jesus.

anchored

04-03-2007, 01:57 PM

Skeptik,

Where did you get the info on the real Tony Alamo that sang with the Kaydettes? Would you, or someone, mind sharing it with the rest of us? I have researched that topic many times on the Internet with no results proving one way or the other.

I have heard several times others researched it also and came up with the same conclusion, that is, that the singer Tony Alamo of the Sammy Kaye orchestra is not the same person as the cult leader Tony Alamo.

I have heard this several times so I am not doubting it but would just like to see the evidence. All one has to do is post the link/s or cite the source of the research. That would settle it once and for all. This weekend I will visit my local library to see what I can come up with.

Thanks

anchored

04-03-2007, 02:25 PM

In the Wikipedia account of the cult leader Tony Alamo's early life, there is no mention of his involvement with big band leader Sammy Kaye and the Kaydettes.

It is doubtful that something as prestigious as that would be omitted. That certainly could be one red flag.

jackrussell

04-03-2007, 03:31 PM

Tony and Sue were latent predators from the git go it appears. Tony has confessed his true love for Hollywood the city. Impressionable young people were drawn to Hollywood for the lottery chance of fame and fortune throughout the past decades, and came in groves in the 1960's when the drug culture was highlighted. So many beautiful women aspiring to hit the bigtime usually fell into porn, stripper/dancers and prostitution because in Hollywood beautiful women are a dime a dozen. Tony and Sue knew all this, so took full advantage of 'religious fear' to corral the foundation members into slave labour as the 1970's rolled on, to enrich themselves, it sure does appear, in retrospect. They were true scumbags. Mr. and Mrs. Hollywood, cheaper than a dime a dozen. My perception, now that all the evidence is out and can see thru the glass more clearly.

skeptik

04-03-2007, 08:20 PM

Here's one reference, with more to follow.

http://shopping.yahoo.com/p:Tony%20Alamo:1927155674:page=biography

skeptik

04-03-2007, 08:29 PM

I do however remember seeing online that the singer Alamo-the real one-was Cuban-born, and am in the process of hunting that fact down to post here.

anchored

04-03-2007, 08:47 PM

Skeptic,

Thank you very much. Very interesting and informative.

I have two CDs:

Swing and Sway with Sammy Kaye (21 of His Greatest Hits)

Also:

Best of Big Bands Sammy Kaye

Both CDs featuring Tony Alamo (the real Tony Alamo incredibly talented singer from Havana, Cuba)

Now I can go back to enjoying these 2 CDs again, knowing who the authentic Tony Alamo is on the albums.

He has a magnificently rich, vibrant voice of the caliber of Frank Sinatra and Bing Crosby.

There's just no comparison between the quality of singing voices of the artist Tony Alamo that sang with Sammy Kaye and the con artist cult leader Tony Alamo alias Bernie Lazar Hoffman.

And like the Biography on Sammy Kaye's Tony Alamo states. The con artist Bernie Lazar Hoffman would have only been 5 or 6 years old when Sammy Kaye's Tony Alamo was popular and singing with the band.

Thanks again for clearing that up for all of us.

God Bless!!

anchored

04-03-2007, 10:23 PM

Hopefully that will be posted on the alamoministrieswatch site. It needs to be.

(Message edited by anchored on April 03, 2007)

anchored

04-04-2007, 12:17 AM

In case anyone from TA's camp attempts to discredit the biography notes on the above site that Skeptik provided us with, I did a little research on Alex Henderson, the author of those biography notes on Sammy Kaye's Tony Alamo, and it's very impressive.

Alex Henderson is a Philadelphia-based writer specializing in the music world. His work has appeared in publications like Billboard, Spin, Pulse!, JazzTimes, and CDReview, and he is a regular contributor to the All Music Guide. Alex began his music reviewing career at age 15, then studied journalism at California State University. His work has included writing press releases and liner notes for record companies in addition to his columns and reviews for magazines, newspapers, and websites.

For more information on Alex Henderson, here's a link. http://www.absolutewrite.com/specialty_writing/alex.henderson.htm

(Message edited by anchored on April 03, 2007)

brother_d

04-04-2007, 03:33 AM

Face it folks, we wuz had! Them two wuz the phoney alamoes!

anchored

04-04-2007, 05:38 AM

Nah! I don't look at it that way brother d. Never did. The way I look at it is that I got saved, met a lot of great folks that I wouldn't have otherwise ever known on this side and now I am really blessed by the Lord. The way I see it, it was supposed to happen to me and the Lord brought me through it and now I am the stronger for it. Brother Dave Koelzer taught me to always look on the bright side. I would've never met such a great brother as Dave. And yes, I'd do it all over again.

All things work together for good to them that are called of God.

Try to look at it this way. In the end we ain't the ones that wuz had.

anchored

04-04-2007, 05:45 AM

Incidentally, Brother Dave Koelzer is over on the bright side now. He ran his race and is now walking on the streets of gold in paradise with the Lord forever. He was a real trooper and it was a privilege and an honor to have known him. Miss ya Brother Dave. See ya again real soon. Bro. Mac

anchored

04-04-2007, 03:12 PM

Sorry folks, I made a slight error on the Alex Henderson site. I left out an underscore.

The correct site is:

http://www.absolutewrite.com/specialty_writing/alex_henderson.htm

anchored

04-04-2007, 03:29 PM

Thanks to whoever posted the information about the real singer Tony Alamo on the alamoministrieswatch site.

This is such a great site. Whoever designed it deserves mucho kudos. If there were an Oscar for websites, it'd be in the running to win. And I'll bet TA just loves it too!

Anyone wanting to check out the real singer Tony Alamo that sang with Sammy Kaye's Big Band, just go to http://alamoministrieswatch.org/ it's under "Secrets Exposed" and there's a great picture of the real singer Tony Alamo, too.

skeptik

04-04-2007, 07:16 PM

Oh, hey folks? You are not gonna believe this! There is also a Tony Alamo active in Nevada, too! He's not Comrade Alamo, nor is he the Tony Alamo who sang with Sammy Kaye. Even so, this one is also of Cuban descent.

Still searching for the singer Alamo's birthplace. I had seen in another entry about this one that he was in fact born in Cuba, but can't find it at present. I'm not too proud to ask for a little help though.

saved_21570

04-05-2007, 02:02 AM

skeptik,

Yes, I've noticed the Tony Alamo in Nevada. I got a chuckle out of it.

I never posted it. Maybe I should have. I discovered it around the time that one of the Cancer cells, that post for Tony, was boasting, saying, "Mike Tyson said he knew Tony Alamo."

Tony Alamo, (the Nevada one) is one of the Nevada State gaming oficials! He had Tyson banned from boxing in Nevada, at one time! 

So, I guess Mike Tyson really does know Tony Alamo. Not that it would matter to me if he knew the sexual predator Tony Alamo, too. (It doesn't seem like much to hang your hat on.)

anchored

04-05-2007, 04:46 AM

I would like to point something out. Remembering back is sometimes a task with so many events that occurred and so many services, house meetings and the sort, trying to remember some of the things said by TA and trying to piece things together. I've been praying for the Lord to help me remember.

A while back, about a year and a half ago, the issue of TA not being the Tony Alamo who sang with Sammy Kaye's band surfaced and one of TA's camp came on, and I believe the screen name they used was "rev" something. Does anyone remember the exact name? Anyway, he came on and called us all liars and stated that he asked TA if he ever sang with Sammy Kaye's orchestra. "Rev" said TA answered him "No, that wasn't me that was another Tony Alamo." So "rev" came on and called us all liars. And that would be because "rev" probably was not there when most of us were.

Ok, my point.

I specifically remember TA giving his testimony and, as part of his testimony, he mentioned singing with Sammy Kaye's band and that he sometimes sang duets with Judy Johnson, a popular singer who was also one of the Kaydettes.

I'm just curious, does anyone else (beside myself) posting here remember TA mentioning about singing with Judy Johnson? Because it really sticks out in my mind.

wilma

04-05-2007, 12:43 PM

I just remember it always being common knowledge around the Foundation that Tony had sung with Sammy Kaye's band. I don't remember hearing Tony say specificially that he sang with Sammy Kaye's band. (I didn't know anything about Sammy Kaye, so it probably wouldn't have registered at the time.) I do remember him often saying he was a crooner and sang with the big bands.
I also remember very specifically the day in the church meeting (in the early 80's after Susie's death) where he asked if there was anyone who hadn't heard HIS records or seen his scrapbooks. A bunch of people raised their hands, including me. He invited us all over to the Spec House after the meeting and got out some records. We all hung out downstairs in the area with the big leather couch; the record player was on the counter behind the couch. One record he played was Tony Alamo (Bernie Lazar Hoffman) on an album cover that he self-produced. It was Bernie wearing some sort of goofy get-up in a tin can and it was titled The Robot Walk. Big hit---NOT!!!!
Then Tony put on the record of Sammy Kaye and the band and as we listened we heard "and now Tony Alamo to sing with Judy Johnson" as Tony (Bernie) stood their gloating taking all the credit.
It wasn't until after I was out of the Foundation for several years that Simon and I were talking and he mentioned something about Tony not singing with Sammy Kaye and Tony and Susie knowingly lying about it for years. I was shocked!!! It was one thing for them to have gone down the slippery slide of greed and to have become intoxicated by the power they had over us, but to realize they had KNOWINGLY LIED to us was quite a shocker and eye opener for me. I realized I'd been had by a couple of con-artists. There's no other explanation.

There's a bit more to the story and I'll see if Simon will post it or else I'll get it from him when I have a chance.
Susie

weaned_child

04-05-2007, 07:45 PM

any ideas as to why he waited til after her death to parade all his paraphenalia?

heynow

04-06-2007, 12:43 AM

I remember seeing the scrapbooks and such in the spec house. I think it was before Susie died. I remember the "Robot Walk" album. I don't remember the Sammy Kaye deal. He did play a bit of the Beatles tape master. Whatever happened to that thing?

marcel

04-06-2007, 10:24 AM

http://www.encyclopediaofarkansas.net/encyclopedia/entry-detail.aspx?entryID=4224

skeptik

04-07-2007, 08:54 PM

"The Robot Walk," huh? Now if you tell me he likes to Breakdance too, there may be further cause for alarm, lol.

raining

04-08-2007, 10:26 PM

regarding what Kathy Bolpa wrote in the above posted about Ann & Ian sending them a christmas card in 1999 and looking different.

Ian posted: What is the significance of looking different in a Christmas card? I can't quite figure that out.

Ian I think I understand what Kathy was trying to say.

Kathy couldn't believe how happy and healthy you and Ann look, also she mentioned she couldn't believe you two were still married. I'm sure Kathy could see in both your eyes the love you have for each other. She understands what a toll living inside the foundation does to one's mental, spiritual, physical and married health. Anyone who has or is living inside the Alamo foundation gets on the average 3-4 hours sleep everynight of the week, then there are those long mandatory fasts ordered by toni almighty, the 18-20 hour work days 6 & 7 days a week, the constant threats and name calling from the almighty toni alamo.

Kathy Bolpa must be jealous of anyone who has the courage to depart from the "Alamo Foundation" aka the "joint" and "slave labor" camp. She can see you enjoy living the good christian life, It is the gift of God to enjoy all the blessings He gives us, and he blesses the habitation of the just.

As Tom S says, "Living a good life is the best revenge".

Toni almighty wants everyone to think those who have left his "Joint" are poor, drug abusing nothings!

Sorry ton to disappoint you, but we have prospered exceedingly since departing from you and your abuse! Most have continued on with the Lord, there are a few who were so badly wounded by your ego sharpened tongue which may have crippled them for awhile, but Jesus wishes none to perish, so we continue to pray for any wounded brethren.

Here's to the good life!

raining

04-08-2007, 10:48 PM

Kathy Bolpa you should at least get Shelah's age correct. Too many of us had children born inside the foundation and know most of the kid's ages.

Here are a few lines taken from Kathy Bolpa above testimony, "In the years of 1992-1993, Ian was also very obvious. Ian had every intention of having relations with Shelah Decker. A 13 year old girl."

Kathy Bolpa you should at least get Shelah's , age -correct. You testified Shelah was 13 years old. That is a LIE!

Shelia was born a few years after my oldest child, who was born in 1971 and she was a few years older than my youngest child, who was born in 1976. Shelah was born either in 1973 or 1974, therefore in 1992 that would make Shelah 17 or 18 years old - NOT 13 years old - that makes you a LIAR!

heynow

04-09-2007, 01:21 AM

Excellent Raining. I guess the Kathy Bolpa accusations were false. Now, if we could get Clint to post that would seal the deal.
Yes, many of us have done well out of the outfit. You can be sure this doesn't thrill a lot of the folks still there. They were told countless times their life would take a turn for the worse if they left.
It kinda reminds of something I heard a pastor say. For a few years (after out of the foundation) I attended a large church in the San Fernando Valley. The pastor said, "I will never manipulate someone with guilt."
Hmmmmm. Correct me if I am wrong but, I think manipulating someone with guilt is probably the guts of Tony's act.

iasmann

04-09-2007, 02:20 AM

Thanks everyone for speaking up for me and my wife. Tony does everything he can to divide marriages so that the husbands and wives don't trust each other. It's one of the ways he tries to keep everyone under control. That's why he's always separating couples and sending one or the other spouse out of town or making them work conflicting schedules so they never see each other.

I just thank God that we were able to see through his tactics and get out of there before he did destroy our marriage.

He's just mad because the truth of what's being posted on the internet is actually hurting him more than he wants us to know. He's back in hiding again because of us. Praise the Lord. Hopefully the weasel will soon be back in jail where he belongs.

jackrussell

04-09-2007, 06:00 AM

'Soon be back in jail where he belongs' would be the practical application of his crimes but I would not even wish that master manipulator amongst prisoners, as they have enough problems without the likes of Tony Alamo making things worse inside. At his age, what he really needs now is to face God, and see how far his manipulation gets him then. Like Sue, can't conceive of TA on his deathbed dying easy, a lot of trouble and reality would be catching up with him at a moments notice. The earth should rejoice when it is rid of the likes of Tony Alamo. Selah

anchored

04-09-2007, 05:45 PM

At least in jail he can't get his slimy paws on any more innocent underage little girls to deflower them.

Also, if he is convicted on the Tempur-Pedic scandal and goes back to prison again for the second time, it will be confirmation for a testimony to the souls in the world that this scam artist, this lying predator, rapist, pedophile, thief, manipulator, control freak, Tony Alamo, really is a shyster, and belongs behind bars where he can't exploit any more innocent souls who are searching for God.

In prison, it's doubtful be will be doing much manipulating as they will be on to him too. And the majority of prison inmates despise child predators.

wild_dream

04-10-2007, 12:12 AM

someone let the bars down and the sheep got out but the goats got in.

wild_dream

04-10-2007, 12:36 AM

Greetings and salutations in the wonderful name of our Lord and savior Jesus Christ. Things I had a hunch were true for a long time are now being manifested, brought to light, as true. I began renouncing T.A. around 11 yrs. ago. And now that I've repented of T.A. and his ways God has blessed me. We love and support you all and wish you God's mercy, grace, peace, joy unspeakable and full of glory, and perfect will, in his name amen, Bill & Suwimon

raining

04-10-2007, 05:16 AM

I listened to a few to Toni almighty's radio broadcasts today!!! There is NO way I could listen to his slow, boring voice - so I 3x's the speed. Got thur them pretty fast, the high munchkin sounding voice was also way better to listen to!!!

Tony said, "The vatican threatened my life, they hired people to murder me." (Vatican, pope, & 1 world government)

With all the money the vatican, pope and 1 world government have I'm sure they could have found an expert marksman to take out a blind, great-grandfather aged fat midget walking around in high heels!

Burnie A-lame-o who are you trying to fool? Maybe a few of you minions believe your garbage, but we see clearly now!

IF the government was trying to kill you - they had plenty of time to off you while you were serving almost 6 years in a federal pen for tax evasion!

raining

04-10-2007, 07:06 AM

Toni do you really believe the stuff you are saying on your radio broadcast?

Toni said on his radio broadcast , "How many emails did I receive from President Bush? He wanted me to tell him what to do to bring peace in the middle east. I told him, but he (President Bush) didn't listen to me (toni alamo). I wrote a piece of literature titled, Peace in the Middle East, and sent it to President Bush. President Bush told me that he would print my literature in the Whitehouse newspaper. So right after I sent him the literature President Bush started bombing Iraq."

How many emails did Presdient Bush send you ton? I'm sure you must be his right hand man!

you sound crazier everyday!!

Question for Toni- If the 1 world government is trying to kill you - why would George Bush, the President of the USA email you for your advise? He is part of the 1 world government you know!

Your ego powered lips are still busy proclaiming how great you was, were and shall be! The Bible says to let another man praise thee!

anchored

04-10-2007, 02:28 PM

Tony Alamo is good at breaking up marriages and then stealing their spouses, dividing families, causing dissension among brethren and married couples.

Tony Alamo has children beaten until they're bloody.

Tony Alamo hates women. He has referred to them as house pigs. Tony Alamo has kicked late term pregnant women out on the streets desolate of food, shelter or transportation.

Tony Alamo rapes little girls and then calls them his "wives."

Tony Alamo is a pathological liar who puffs himself up with delusions of grandeur, gets caught in lies on recorded tape and then goes into a rage.

Tony Alamo is totally paranoid and schizophrenic about the vatican and world government (the wicked flee when no man persueth).

Tony Alamo has served prison time for tax evasion and is currently under scrutiny for another scandal involving the sale of Tempur-Pedic mattress donations intended for Katrina victims.

And Tony Alamo is writing literature about Peace in the Middle East?

And President Bush conferred with Bernie about peace in the Middle East??? This country is in bigger trouble than we thought.

raining

04-10-2007, 04:52 PM

Toni's idea of bringing peace to the middle east:

1. bring all the terrorist to his house and suspend them in mid-air, spread eagle and beat them bloody with a board. (I'm sure they will surrender)

2. take all their monney

3 work them 18-20 hours a day in your slave labor camp aka Alamo Foundation.

4, take their wives & daughters to work in his house as sexretaries.

5. Fill their hearts with terror by twisting God's word and telling them if they depart from your house God is going to kill them!

Oh wait, that isn't a formula for bringing peace to the middle east, it is Toni's formula for bringing piece to him.

saved_21570

04-11-2007, 12:22 AM

Welcome wild child,

Forgive me but I am not sure who you are. I don't recognize the name Suwimon.

Yes, this is the place of the sheep. We are praying that, any remaining sheep, escape from the cruel hireling, and his pack of wolves, before they die in the barren and desolate pasture, where they have been led.

Tom Alford

wild_dream

04-11-2007, 04:20 AM

Thank you Tom. It's always good and edifying to see you on here. We have similiar stories and I think we both left at about the same time. We were on tree crew a bit together. We both stayed in that really nice house near Teluride. We wallpapered that concert and I heard you gave Emmylou a tract and as I remember I asked you about that. I was proud of the "Pope's Secrets". Suwimon is my wife from God, my 2nd wife. She is born again and got the baptism of the holy ghost in our home here last October. I got the baptism in 1985 and still have it thank you Jesus. We had our 1 yr anniversary a few weeks ago. You probably wonder about the name, it's Thai, she's from Thailand.

redeemed_9131970

04-11-2007, 04:29 PM

Praise the Lord, Bill.
I immediately recognized the words of your first post from one of Pedro’s messages. I was so struck by those words when I first heard them that I specifically re-played them to re-hear the wording. Those words are quite telling and certainly describe what happened. Thanks for sharing them.
Give my love to Suw, and Happy Anniversary to you both!

Carolyn

wild_dream

04-12-2007, 12:48 AM

Carolyn, amen, true about those words. They stuck on the table of my heart when I heard them from Brother Pedro. I love Pedro's preaching; he's got a zeal and a fire and I know he's got the Holy Ghost. I think of the scripture- better is a wise servant tnan an old king who will no more be admonished. Charles told me last week Pedro resigned as paster at Coal Hill and is moving to somewhere north of Nshville. The Lord must have something more for him there. I heard he only had a dozen or so people coming in Coal Hill and most of them were chilren. I can't wait to go visit. And thanks again for your invitation and hospitality at your home last summer. We had a great time in the Lord. I remember feeling the spirit so strong several blocks away from your house driving up to your house. We love getting your tapes, Bill Jr. especially does, Ronnie is the only preacher he will listen to. We listen to him every time we're in the car. God bless you, Bill and Sue.

still_saved_in_spite_of

04-12-2007, 01:06 AM

This is what I think of all the incredible boastings of tony.
"Pure raw unadulterated hypocrisy"

still_saved_in_spite_of

04-12-2007, 01:17 AM

Its a shame that the people there still follow him. do they really believe the crazy stuff he says? As a saved person its just so unbievable.
that explains it. the people there cant be saved any longer or they would leave. i mean a saved person couldnt stand the insanity and unscriptual way they are made to live.

raining

04-12-2007, 08:14 AM

Here are a few more crazy statements uttered by toni a-lame-o on his radio broadcast.

Ton-knee A-lame-o said, (he was talking about the town of Fouke, AR) "Now they think they are going to run us out of town. I DON'T RUN, and I want YOU PEOPLE TO KNOW THAT! Nobody has EVER chased me OK! I DON'T RUN."

C'mon ton - the entire congregation saw you run like a little chicken girl when the Justin Miller child abuse charges were filed against you in Los Angeles county for the bloody beating that you ordered given to Justin Miller.

How bout you hiding out in Tampa - the feds caught you with 10 different ID's. You had Harvey Crochran's ID and were pretending to be Harvey. (For those who don't know, Harvey had been injured nigh on to death while passing out tracts in Tempee, AZ. Somehow Harvey's ID ended up with Tony in Tampa and Harvey & all his loved ones DID NOT give it to Toni)

What about your 20 orignal hits (the one you brag about so much) Come to find out you stole those songs and when you and your partners got sued - Tony Alamo never showed up - he disappeared! RAN AWAY!! Run toni run as fast as you can, and then try and tell people "I DON'T RUN"

We saw you run and hide - like a snake in the grass!

On your radio broadcasts you are always talking about yourself and all your great deeds and how you gave them up for the Lord.

Too bad you are so filled with delusions of grandeur. Toni. Your enormous ego propells your great swelling lips to continually proclaim, How great I was, is and shall be! I'll bet your theme song is "How Great I AM"!

Ton - do you really believe this stuff?
I DON'T Run!

Why are you hiding out in LA? I thought you weren't going to run from FOUKE!

All the brothers who have been around you for years will testify what a chicken you are, and how you hide behind them!

Oh- do you think it makes you a man because you beat women and children?

I heard you don't even attend church services anymore. ARE you TOO afraid to leave your hiding place???

still_saved_in_spite_of

04-12-2007, 02:51 PM

The bible says
The wicked flee when no man pursueth.
even if there isnt anyone after him.
he still has to run from himself.

modesto

04-12-2007, 08:18 PM

Hello,I just discovered this site yesterday.What a suprise that you all are communicating like this! A very pleasant suprise. In reply to "Still's" post of 4/11/07, I understand the logic behind your opinion but hope that you will be able to postpone your judgement.Many of these people have given so much and have been trapped in a very weird mind set for so long that they simply can't look at certain truths, too painful/frightening for them.Even though people get saved they still retain their "psychological aspect" and just as Christians can be physically sick and we pray for them so we should regard and pray for the people still in the Foundation. Good to hear you all again. John

raining

04-12-2007, 09:39 PM

John
I think "Still's" was referring to Tony! He claims not to run and hide, but that is the one thing he does very well.

In the early 90's we lost 52 million dollars worth of property that all of us members had worked so hard to aquire because Tony didn't appear in court for the Miller case. The Irs siezed all the property in Nashville and on Georgia Ridge. Brothers & sisters were thrown out of their houses the day the marshalls stormed the property! This happened because Toni Alamo ran and hide instead of being a man and appearing in court! He didn't care what happened to the brothers, sisters and children, all he cared about was his own skin!

Tommy Scarecello - You know Tony Alamo is going to tag you with the whole mattress mess!

We all know he told you what to do with those mattresses, but now that there is a 15 million dollar lawsuit pending- your buddy toni is going to leave you hanging in the wind- "Tag you're it tommy"

still_saved_in_spite_of

04-12-2007, 10:43 PM

Basicly yes , i am talking about tony concerning hiding. but i am talking about the people still there that "do" tony's bidding. I think (my opinion) that it has gone long past the time of "certain truths". You know I have prayed for them. There is a certain point or line that gets crossed when you continue to ignore coviction. Going by the things that certain ones have done at tonys bidding makes me think that that line has been crossed. As for me ,when its my time to be judged I hope that i have mercy in abundance at that day because for sure i know not when it will happen, but I know it will. I think of myself in there stead and think of the state of mind i would be in to do the things that they do for tony. I think then that to do those things my concience would have to be seared. But for there sake I will hope otherwise and continue to pray for them. I say things in hopes that maybe they (whoever) maybe reading this stuff on there end would take a pause and consider what condition there condition is in. Honestly Its grievious to think of any of the brothers and sisters who are still there, being sunk in deep despair not knowing where to turn for help. I would help them if they want out and need a place to go. If they can feel anything I hope it is still the conviction of the Holy Spirit and not otherwise..

(Message edited by still_saved_in_spite_of on April 12, 2007)

modesto

04-12-2007, 11:20 PM

Still,

I understand your reasoning.Seems to me you are being realistic while at the same time wanting to help people still there, thanks for your response,I think your view is valid.

I was curious if I knew you back in the day as I know Raining and many others I've seen on this site.I don't want to disturb your privacy but if you could tell me (maybe a nicname)I'd really like to know if I know you.Take care.

John

wild_dream

04-13-2007, 12:15 AM

I should explain my user name. I'm blessed. I feel I've already been blessed beyond my wildest dreams with spiritual blessings, wisdom, knowledge of God, understanding, nuggets, a great spirit filled wife, the Holy Ghost, a 99CRV, a great son, brothers and sisters in the Lord, friends, loved ones, freedom, many minististries I'm involved with, the Body of Christ as the house I abide in, the love of God in my life. But my wildest dream, my wild dream for short, is to kwow that awesome warm glowing feeling, presence, always that I had when I got the baptism of the holy ghost, to be in heaven. I want to make it in and I want to take as many people with me as I can. That's my wild dream. That is my vision. Amen.

still_saved_in_spite_of

04-13-2007, 01:37 AM

I had several nicks at the foundation, just one would give me away. lol here is a riddle::

how would you feel at a graveyard on a rainy night. and yet would be sharp as a reapers sickle in a wheat field. lol
or here is another one for you.
I could be considered your daughter when I was your wifes "baby" lol

wild_dream

04-13-2007, 02:14 AM

I agree those who do T.A.'s bidding are equally
quilty for condoning him. They're in big trouble with God. They can recite scriptures, my walkman can do that, and make long prayers day and night like the Lord said the hypocrites do in the synagoges, we know now that that's just a cover up. They are enemies of the cross. The Lord said we have to pray for the enemies , so we have to pray for them and for T.A. to repent, to be saved or else we'll be in trouble with God.

still_saved_in_spite_of

04-14-2007, 01:17 AM

John

Well anyway even if you dont know who i am ,or care not to know who i am. which most likely is the case since i cant remember ever talking with you, but I did talk to debbie alot for at least the first part of my time there. I sure remember you and Debbie. Ok thats all for me now..
still saved

still_saved_in_spite_of

04-14-2007, 01:19 AM

fignewton

04-14-2007, 03:31 AM

Hey John
Long time no hear......about 20 years
Remember the gym "Jack La Lane in Van Nuys? in the late 80's. and the costume party remember danaher?
email me fig-newton@sbcglobal.net

wild_dream

04-14-2007, 03:48 AM

I just read Nikki F's testimony on Alamoministrieswatch. The testimonies of all the girls who escaped are shocking. My heart goes out to them and to the ones still in his clutches. Thank you God for Nikki F, Jody, Tami, Cyndi Jo, Katrina, and the others, and your daughters still in his clutches, Jesus, keep them in your care. Amen.

wild_dream

04-14-2007, 03:48 AM

phahrrrt_detector

04-14-2007, 04:23 AM

X markz da spoht !

Cuhm-ohn !
Ah darez eny-buddy
2 tayk me owt !
Ah welcumz iht !
Ah aint fraid o no wun !
(az u pokt owt yer chin
en da pull-pit
n ruff-ly krosd
yer puffed uhp chess)

member dat speech
Shmoni ???

ah shur duz . . .
jez lahk iht wuz
yestiday . . .

trouble iz
jez lahk purty much
alz u dun evr sed . . .
haint kno trooth
2 nun ov iht
nope
not so much
az wun sleezy cheezy
turdy wurd

haz u bin
tellin dat lye
4 so long now
Shmoni
dat u dun
hornswoggled yersef
n2 b-leeven
ahl yer trash ?

nope
evn u
aint dat stewpid
Bubbah
cuz y ehlz
wood u b high-den owt ???

4 shur
no-buddy ehlz iz buyen
dem R-G-B layden lyz
o yorn ee-thur !

y
ifn ah
wuz uh bettin man
Shmoni (wich ah aint)
ah wood bet
dat ifn der had bin
evn duh teeny weeny-ist
poppin sownd
wen u mayd
yer blow harrd
X markz da spoht !
speech
u wood o hit da dert
jez lahk
uh tun uh wobbly jel-lo
tryin 2 highd b-hind
eny-thin er eny-buddy !

yep
datz jez how reddy
u reely wood o bin
2 meat yer Maker

uhmm-hmmm
ah wood tayk betz
ohn dat
ahl day long
mr toad !

cuz wut u reely iz
n alwayz haz bin
Toni/Shmoni/Lyen/Lahmo
iz uh big stinkin blow harrd bully n
uh wussy fraidy-kat 2 bewt !

bin wize 2 u 4 uh long long time
Phahrrrt detecter

saved_21570

04-14-2007, 05:07 AM

wild_dream; I loved how you got your name. I can relate to that dream very well, very similar to my own.

I think I know who you are.

Modesto, welcome.

I have to believe that there is still hope for some. We don't know which parent may be waiting for her daughter to get away from Tony before they leave, or what child feels trapped in an arranged marriage.

Some of the wives we know have been brutally beaten. God is able to heal and forgive beyond our ability to imagine.

Some no doubt are reprobate, but I have to believe that there is one, or maybe some, that God still has his hand of mercy outstretched to.

Tom A.

heynow

04-14-2007, 01:22 PM

You might have something there Farrt detector. I walked up behind tony in the dark once and let's say he got pretty rattled.

modesto

04-14-2007, 02:21 PM

Hi Fig,
Well,I do certainly remember Danaher.Who could forget a guy like that!I think I know who you are but am not sure, I'll send a letter to the address you gave. Great hearing from you.I'm extremely curious to learn your secret identity.Coming in here is kind of like a really cool mystery for me.

Take Care.

John

modesto

04-14-2007, 02:26 PM

Saved,

Ty for the welcome..really good to hear from you also.from "Tom A." I'm pretty sure I know who you are if you were from the 70's.

Take Care,

John

modesto

04-14-2007, 03:00 PM

Still,

I certainly do want to know who you are.I'm afraid I couldn't solve the riddles thoughhttp://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/sad.gif.Even if we didn't speak much if at all, I'm sure we still had to have impacted one another, I think we all did.Perhaps another riddle?An easier one!?

Take Care,

John

raining

04-14-2007, 03:50 PM

JOhn
I sent Fig an email and asked em' to give you our email address and telephone number. we are listed in the phone book. give us a call. it would be great to talk with you

modesto

04-15-2007, 02:37 AM

Raining,

I will thanks, it will be good to speak to you.

John

brother_d

04-15-2007, 02:04 PM

John:

I remember painting your Mom's house in Brentwood. Great food, good folks, and lottsa smokes! We lived like kings! Good hearing from you. Hope life has been good.

modesto

04-15-2007, 02:33 PM

Hi brother-d,

Those were some fun times in the midst of our poverty.I hope I can get to know who you are.
Mom died in 1987, Dad in 1979.Many from the Foundation got to know and like them as they did them.

This brings up something for me that I always found odd.Every Christian fundamentalist branch that I'm aware of condems smoking yet we (one of the most conservative I've ever heard about)were allowed to smoke.I've heard that Susie smoked.Maybe this had something to do with it.I've givin up smoking but'Man!' it was sure hard!What a thorn in the flesh that was.I'm not all self righteous about people who still smoke but I'm just curious about that apparent contradiction.

wilma

04-15-2007, 03:42 PM

John,
Yes, Susan Alamo smoked secretly and only a few of those closest to her knew the secret. Ernie knew it because he was her driver. Kathy used to have to stand guard at the bathroom door so that others wouldn't find out. Susan Alamo was such a hypocrite. That's why smoking was allowed and even encouraged at the Foundation. Many people who didn't smoke before coming to the Fnd would start once they moved in. It was the APPROVED "sin of the flesh". LOL Do you remember the little room between the bathrooms just off the banquet room at the Alamo Restaurant in Alma, Ar ? Susie would retreat into there for her little smoke breaks too. Of course, the congregation was blamed for her cancer death and there was NEVER a mention that she smoked like a chimney for all those years and that may have had a bit more to do with her death. I was shocked to find out after I left the Foundation that that was another one of her little deceptions.

After her death when Tony traveled to Israel he started up smoking then later brought some long message saying God will kill people if they smoked. So he quit (supposedly) for awhile and then started up again and brought another NO Smoking message. The guy is loopy!! In the mid-90's before we left he was threatening against smoking and everyone quit except the one hold-out, Don Sweat. Now Tony is on a "God will kill me if I eat dairy, beef, sweets, etc" campaign. Geez! So he is probably sneaking off having a burger and shake while the followers are being coerced into restricting their already limited protein intake. Big Tone is still at it!
Susie G

wilma

04-15-2007, 03:46 PM

John,
Did you get a chance to check out the pictures on Marcel's website?

wild_dream

04-15-2007, 05:32 PM

I heard S.A. smoked every day of her life. That shows how weak she was. I quit a few years ago after I took a health class where I heard about all the bad things it does and about all the benefits of quiting, ie. how the body can recover. I've always been a somewhat weak person and that's a big reason why every day since I got saved I have to call out to the Lord out of neccesity by praising and thanking him. Out of weakness we are made strong. After 25 yrs. of praising and thanking the Lord I am sronger and I can testfy that it is true that God will do what he said he will do. He is faithful and true, God is good, he is a friend that sticketh closer than a brother.

smitty

04-15-2007, 06:35 PM

I remember once I had to "hide out" in the house in Dyer. (supposed parental problems) I smoked at the time , and boy was I jonesing for a smoke! I was upstairs and in the bathroom sink were all these butts w/ lipstick on them! Of course, I thought "Oh boy, smoking is O.K. up here!" so I broke out my Buglar and smoked. A few days later I was privatly rebuked by Susie for smoking upstairs and stinking the place up! (I was told the butts belonged to Kathy Wiley) I guess Buglar wasn't Susie's brand of choicehttp://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif

skeptik

04-15-2007, 08:27 PM

Of course, this is a great site, but I wanted to ask: what are your thoughts of me at some point referring this matter to a media outlet of some kind? I've a few ideas, and want to know what you think.

Known on the board as Skeptik, I'm William "Bill" Jaynes. Drop me a line at

wjaynes@hotmail.com

raining

04-15-2007, 09:45 PM

fine with me if you take it to the media. This information has already been in the media. Whatever your ideas are - as long as that peaching pedophile is being exposed then it is all good!

still_saved_in_spite_of

04-15-2007, 10:07 PM

Hey John, not to worry, I mean, you & I hardly crossed paths so you wouldnt really have had much to remember by me. But Dibbie did, at least in the beginning. I have my reasons for not wanting to be known. NOthing to do with the foundation.. Anyway nice to see you here.

skeptik

04-15-2007, 10:32 PM

Well, drop me an email, so I can know how to pitch it, how to put it together. I may want to recommend that we put our email addy's on here, so in the event that someone from the media does want to contact anyone here, they can.

still_saved_in_spite_of

04-15-2007, 10:33 PM

well I remember tony sent a message to everyone that if you smoked even one more ciggerette, you would blaspheme the Holy Spirit. And if you didnt believe what tony was doing was of the Lord,(polygamy) then you would blaspheme also. It was the pits going through that stuff.

skeptik

04-15-2007, 10:53 PM

Of course, that's just a suggestion.

modesto

04-16-2007, 03:18 AM

Wilma,
Yes I did see Marcel's post.I enjoyed it very much,everyone looks so young!

Ty for the reply on the smoking thing.Tony certainly is a "loopy" guy lol.I remember this strange dynamic of T&S together when they weren't in public.Susie used to browbeat the heck out of him and he'd just sort of kowtow to her.I remember once at Capital Records Tony had tried to make some sweet little romantic suggestion to her and she replied in a very harsh tone to him "only you would be so utterly stupid as to think of something like that!" and he immediately dummied up and sort of sat quietly playing with his fingers and looking like a little boy waiting at the principal's office.I thought "gee, what's that all about?".Even though Tony is an adulterer and so fourth I think Susie fulfilled some powerfull neurotic Freaudian needs of his somehow.When I heard she'd died I really thought he'd flip out.Maybe he did, just not like I'd expected.

Sorry for waxing so dreary but I really do wonder about this kind of stuff.

John