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floridian

08-16-2007, 12:44 AM

There is no one distracting you,there is someone you have attacked and called names,and mocked and that is me,yet when I bring out a simple heart felt and muched needed word from God,well look at your responce on me.I forgive you even if you have not asked,and hopefully you do ask.I know what I am doing and I am doing what I know God wants me to do,and if any of you fellow laborers are upset with that,show me in the word of God.Galatians 4:16,Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?
It seems to me that on this board that inquireing on the shape of someone's soul here is a offence..One thing I know that is preached in the church,amongest the Brothers and Sisters,is the value,the emergency of a Soul.If it where not needed to be reminded of God's Holy word then there would be no need of fellowship,or gathering together often,or of edifying.I ask you now,John 5:39,Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. and they testify of everyone . I am and will be judged in all things by the Word of God,for that is our judge. John 5:22,For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
Jesus Christ the Son Of God,the Word of God.I had to stop writing just now for about 15 minutes,someone just dialed my # by mistake and the Spirit of God used me to pray them through the very precious sinners prayer,yes that is what just happened and I testify it to you and I hope that you will rejoice with the angels in heaven. Is not that what it is all about brothers and sisters.Hebrews 12:23,To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

raining

08-16-2007, 01:01 AM

Floridian
Can you answer a few questions?

Do you support, agree , defend Tony Alamo?

floridian

08-16-2007, 01:46 AM

I was just used to win a soul to the Lord,truely I lie not,will you and everyone else on these boards support me,agree ,and defend me,oh here is some of your responces raining,(Anchored - my exact thoughts about floridian.Who are you? Go get your own forum if you want to preach.)or how about this one,(anchored:By golly, I think you truly are in the TWILIGHT ZONE.Floridiot, oops I mean Floridian. You are such a nimrod.)or this person(wilma:Floridian, You are a fanatic and a lunatic.If people I know, who were not Christians, heard you rant on like you do on this message board they would never want to be a Christian.)lets not forget,(worm_can_opener:so syop being such a heretic, and coming on like "Mr. Spiritual" you work out your own salvation with fear & trembling, you and your "know-it-all-spirit" !!! floridian is just TOO DEEP ! have you ever seen anyone like him, just dripping with LOVE for everyone ?)will you help me?

wilma

08-16-2007, 02:10 AM

Floridian,
It seems you have a problem answering simple questions.

Why don't you tell us who you are and tell us what your association with the alamo church is.

Are you currently a member or supporter? If out, do you still affiliate with the alamo group in any way?

You ask us to support you but you refuse to say who you are. You say we have attacked you but we don't even know who YOU are. You're being ridiculous.

mixter1

08-16-2007, 03:29 AM

Wilma,
It may be the computer is being watched. He may
not be allowed to give it. We know each other
in the spirit(he/I). The lord knows I have prayed for him and his companions to. He also knows more.
If you wish explanation it would be good to con-
tact me mixter37@sbcglobal.net there is much to be discussed. Understand they are like bird's with wings that will not carry them. As their church becomes transparent.
-Mix

heynow

08-16-2007, 05:52 AM

Hmmmm. Interesting. No complete scriptures yet. Leave tony out of it. As you can see this thread is titled "FLORIDIAN". There are a multiplicity of threads on this board to discuss tony. This is not one of them. Let's see if we can focus shall we? This is about floridian. Please Please Please. Do not continue to hijack threads.

floridian

08-16-2007, 10:52 AM

Wilma I never asked any one here to support me,Tho I am winning Souls according to the Gospel of Jesus Christ,passing out tracts,yes and being called names, Proverbs 11:30,The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life; and he that winneth souls is wise. 1 Corinthians 9:11 ,If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?
2 Corinthians 11:29,Who is weak, and I am not weak? who is offended, and I burn not? 30,If I must needs glory, I will glory of the things which concern mine infirmities. 31,The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is blessed for evermore, knoweth that I lie not.
Most of the time a lip whip lashing is the greatess infirmity,(crucify Him,give us barabus,)I would rather hear that than you or any others hear,(Depart from me ye worker of iniquty).The more we as christians talk the more we stand in accountability,therefore wilma let our words be few.You should know me by the fruit I bare,and,James 3:18,And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace. I am a washed in the Blood of the Lord Jesus Christ,, a christian,preaching the Lord Jesus Christ to a lost and dying world,and pleading with others to return to their true Love.

brother_d

08-16-2007, 11:35 AM

You don't "win souls" by passing out tracts and reciting scripture. You convince others of your righteousness and sincerity by acting the way Jesus did, with compassion and love and setting a true example. The kingdom of God is within you.

anchored

08-16-2007, 01:01 PM

Some people go about establishing their own righteousness, i.e., look at me. How great I art.

(Message edited by anchored on August 16, 2007)

floridian

08-16-2007, 06:19 PM

brother d,it is just a tool to help,so is t.v.,and radio,and one on one,you know brother d I am suprise that you said that,here is that which Jesus Christ King of Soul winners instructed,Matthew 3:2,And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Matthew 4:17,From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say,Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.,Mark 1:15,And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
Gospel is scriptures,John 1:7,The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
John 2:22,When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.
Luke 16:31,And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.That is scriptures
brother d,I believe that the sriptures and the living by and quoteing are more persuading the even one raiseing from the dead. someone finds a gospel tract,reads it and says the sinners prayer,I know that they recieved Salvation,and I hope you do also.Jesus Christ is the sriptures. Yes Jesus Christ is in me and that is what comes out of my heart. Jesus Christ,The Word,The Scriptures.

mixter1

08-16-2007, 06:21 PM

floridian,
Morning guy, I was looking back at the time the
that I got saved at the church in Saugus, I
felt my calling. I remember how I knew blood was washing through me before the word blood was spoken. I stayed the for seven years. There was a point a which the heavens became brass I had contend and contended. I had to pace back and
forth in case I fell asleep. I was keeping the commandments but something was wrong there and it vexed my spirit. There was a time when I heard Susan say in confidence to someone: "You know we are a couple of smart Jews out to make a fast buck". I knew by what she further said that no one did. I saw to much control and had to thing of
getting a career. I went back to learn a trade. They knew I was leaving an Tony said he never finished high school which I found odd. I told Susan I wanted to leave and got Susan assisted me at that point. I worked and put my earnings in "money marketing funds I finished college "After college. I worked different jobs and the finally got to a career which was computer programming. Worked at that for five years. I had prayed people through using the sinner prayer. But after that I was blocked by something. I couldn't put my finger on it, I contended but the sky was BRASS. To make a
long story short I found this forum and the
just flooded down on me and follows me now. I have had visions then but there is no doubt that they are from that Lord. I ask god and he speaks to me. I try to spirits "Any spirit that denies Jesus is come in the flesh is of god(you know the rest). Tony used to tell everybody that if they left they would not make it. THEY HAD NO future out there. A want the about the Lord now
after that boring story. The Lord and my walks
in God. We won't have screen names or our own
names in heaven but a new on right? Aren't you ex-
cited? I sure am. Oh, my lord thank you Jesus
praise your holey name. There are those I know I
will see because the lord told me. I want see you and the faithful there. I want to see my brothers outside also, I love them in Christ. I will post again. If someone is critical is because there is a short fuse since the people on this board gave so much. Hope you got my email? If
not perhaps we can talk on Marcel's site. Or
I can put one up. Later.
-Mix

floridian

08-16-2007, 07:18 PM

Yes Mixter1,you are given the word of God,it is a talent and spiritual groweth that you learned in the church and outside of the church and now that you are not in the church it is all building up,the water of the word that is in you needs to flow and when it does you feel refreshed,because it is a river of life and it needs to flow so keep up the good work and let it flow,flow flow flow. Every person you come in contact with will benifit from your presents,and you will benifit greatly because you see the need and you fill their need by word,thought,prayer. Ye are the light of the world and you cannot be hid. The more you shine the brighter you become.You live to light Mixter1,and I thank you and I know that their are others at the Church who thank you very much. I am sorry I do not know what email you speak of and I have heard of that marcel page,do you have a link? Mixter1 If you would like to start another topic I would be honored to join in with true wholesome fellowship

raining

08-16-2007, 07:35 PM

Floridian you posted, " I know that their are others at the Church who thank you very much"

What church are you talking about?

raining

08-16-2007, 07:46 PM

what others?

floridian

08-16-2007, 08:05 PM

Those Who are True,Those who are called,Those who have put on the mind of Christ.

floridian

08-16-2007, 08:12 PM

Those Who are True,Those who are called,Those who have put on the mind of Christ. There are Those who are out of the church,Those who have never heard of the church,There are the Angels in Heaven,There is Jesus Christ Himself,The Holy Ghost,God Almighty himself. John 3:16,For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

anchored

08-16-2007, 08:15 PM

Well, that sure wouldn't be a description of Tony Alamo's so-called "church" then.

Tony Alamo has "put on the mind of" a crazed pedophile perverted sex maniac and YOU are a part of that mess. You admitted it when you said "we at the church."

I'm not buying any of your self-proclaimed righteousness malarky.

joe_n_bama

08-16-2007, 08:59 PM

hello floridian can you tell me more about this church see im not a verry religious person i mean i know that jesus died so we can be forgiven of our sins and the way we are suppossed to show our graditude is be have ourselfs 10 commandments that kinda stuff can you tell me about the daily workings of alamo church and where does alamo preach wich church thanks for your answer joe_n_bama

mixter1

08-16-2007, 09:20 PM

Floridian,

There are not allot of us here to answer you 2 or 3 and work at different jobs as things change we go home or are at an office. I have a software program that need to be written. Some times people looking for a sister or brothers is from a marine elite force and want to take matters in their own hand and we tell them no. Don't do that!!! job shifts changes there come on an answer sometimes late. I feel the spirit it is so wonderful. Do you get my email? put: (Y) (N) someplace. Or just let me know. I need to know because if the lord moves me and he tells me to prophesy to others I want them to get it. Because souls are at stake. I see you keeping with the subject and that is good. I had worked in Bakersfield and the lord told me you must leave this church but it was hard to go. I was afraid of out there.I loved Susan Alamo in the Spirit and wanted her to be healed. I thought if I left she would die. It was like: God why did you say leave? Did I do something wrong I asked Myself? "No." I would hear while in the spirit. The voice of the father was a quiet one?(WAIT ONE MINUTE) Tony said it was LOAD!!!. I saw things were not right and the Lord heard and saw how hard I asked. The Lord wanted me to leave and I did not. He just stopped talking to me. If you do not have an email tell me otherwise or put one in your response.
-Mix

heynow

08-16-2007, 11:04 PM

Anchored, I thank God someone handed me a gospel tract and had love for my soul to tell me the true gospel. I don't what would have happened if they hadn't.

anchored

08-17-2007, 12:24 AM

Well now I think that is just a wonderful little popcorn testimony heynow. Thanks for sharing. I, too, am very thankful that the Lord saved me on a beach when I was all by myself and no one was around. I give God all the glory for my salvation. And I also thank God for keeping me all these 38 years.

Would you mind answering a simple little question for me? Since I don't ever recall you ever saying anything about the child abusing, child raping, lying, unholy, profane, adulterous, fornicating, false prophet, Tony Alamo. I was just wondering, pray tell, why did you ever leave that place?

Just wondering if you could tell about the circumstances surrounding your departure from the cult? I ask because you seem to want to talk about everything except the main topic here.

I think you put the question to phart detector once, (paraphrasing)- "could you just once post something that doesn't mention Tony Alamo? I think you can if you try really hard." and then, "there, I knew you could do it."

Now, I'd like ask you, heynow, could you just once post something that would shine the light on Tony Alamo's wicked abominations and atrocities? Could we at least have a little balance here, heynow?

anchored

08-17-2007, 12:28 AM

Also, could you give a just a little "popcorn" about how thankful you are to be delivered from Tony's evil clutches?

floridian

08-17-2007, 12:51 AM

joe_n_bama,thank you for asking,Let me start here,Jesus Christ is the Son of the Living God and God loves you so much that He gave His only Begotten Son,Jesus Christ! Now I would totaly be out of line if I tried to teach you the basic fundamentals of how the church is suppose to operate,when at first,you need to become a new born Christian and then desire the sincere milk of the Word,Would you please and would you like to make a open confession now on this board ? Please repeat these Words unto the Lord and you will be able to begin growing in the Lord,say, MY LORD AND MY GOD,HAVE MERCY ON MY SOUL A SINNER,I BELIEVE THAT JESUS CHRIST IS THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD. I BELIEVE THAT HE DIED ON THE CROSS AND SHED BLOOD FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF ALL MY SINS. I BELIEVE THAT GOD RAISED JESUS FROM THE DEAD BY THE POWER OF THE HOLY GHOST. I OPEN UP THE DOOR OF MY HEART AND I INVITE YOU INTO MY HEART LORD JESUS. WASH ALL MY SINS AWAY IN THE PRECIOUS BLOOD THAT YOU SHED FOR ME. YOU WILL NOT TURN ME AWAY LORD JESUS;YOU WILL SAVE MY SOUL.I KNOW BECAUSE YOU WORD THE BIBLE SAYS SO. YOUR WORD SAYS THAT YOU WILL TURN NO ONE AWAY AND THAT INCLUDES ME. THEREFORE I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE HEARD ME,AND I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE ANSWERED ME,AND I KNOW THAT I AM SAVED,AND I THANK YOU LORD JESUS CHRIST FOR SAVING MY SOUL..

floridian

08-17-2007, 01:19 AM

No Mixter1,I never posted a email,yet I am very Glad for your associates,That you are there,it is real nice to know that they have such a confident minister around them.. Matthew 6:3,But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth: I know if it is truely a God given word for you to proclaim,God will reveal it and if I answer you on this board,there will be alot of dispercing of thougths,so I rely fully on God's dealing with you on how he wants you to handel it.I would be honored to pray and fast some with you for a answer and I am sure that there is others who will also,so lay out the request and get ready to receive from the best,and that is, JESUS CHRIST our LORD

floridian

08-17-2007, 02:28 AM

Lets see if anchored is sincere,anchore says,I, for one, am not out to "GET this floridian,then,(No, you've got it backwards floridian. The devil doesn't want you to shut up. He wants you to keep on like you are with your campaign of distraction to take the spotlight off from Tony Alamo.)
then,(I'm not buying any of your self-proclaimed righteousness malarky).Please lighten up on your self and nothing else,you put many many years in and I am sure that there are alot of souls who are glad you did and I thank you for the time you put in and will put in if you allow The Lord to take some of the hate out of you.Jesus Christ spent quite some time with someone he knew would betray him and sell him out,but he dealt with it if you feel that there is stuff going on the police station will investigate,please report it everyday,they will find out,you know anchored not all police are evil,Proverbs 15:1,A soft answer turneth away wrath: but grievous words stir up anger.There is nothing wrong with putting on report,calling the police,calling the department of children and family services,God never said that this is wrong to do, please anchored now you are snapping at another person ,Colossians 3:5,Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: 6,For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:7,In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.8,But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.
Gosh I think chapter 3 is a good read for tonite. Anchored please think on these things alittle more,Philippians 4:8,Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

joe_n_bama

08-17-2007, 02:48 AM

floridian are you still with tonys church and by the way thanks for yourtime and that was a great prayer and i said that aloud as i read are visitors allowed at the compound i want to interview tony i am no threat i want to find out as much info as possible from both sides and im not pulling any punches my sister might be in that compound in ark ??? one guy says you can visit and call but he says they might have changed the rules i plan on starting a center to help people make the transition out of there if they want to leave thats why i want to get as much in fo as possible some one will try to correct me cause i aint on the rite thread or something but thanks joe

brother_d

08-17-2007, 03:29 AM

floridian sounds like a huckster to me. Show me your faith by your works. Tracts and memorization of scripture mean nothing to me. Neither does repeating a prayer that someone else wrote. I fell for that rap once, shame on me. Do something meaningful, then come talk to me. And leave the sales pitch home.

anchored

08-17-2007, 03:49 AM

thanks lester. satan is the accuser of the saints. i feel honored, yet so unworthy.

heynow

08-17-2007, 06:57 AM

Anchored, Yes, that is my testimony. I was lost and now am found. Everyone's salvation is special. In your case it was at Manhattan Beach. In my case it was at 1412. I am sure there are similar testimonies of many brothers and sisters that received a gospel tract from a foundation member. From that encounter it progressed to salvation. They are thankful for that.
I believe I have posted the facts surrounding the end of my affiliation with the alamo foundation on this board more than once. However, let me give you the short version. I had a rather heated disagreement (argument) with tony. Of course during this exchange I "spoke my peace" so to speak. Well, tony as you know could not tolerate someone standing "up to him" or heaven forbid calling him on some inconsistent statements. As you could imagine, tony ordered my departure (I did not "leave")Hence, I received a free ride to the beautiful resort beach town of Santa Monica, California (where the mountains meet the sea). However, due to insufficient funds, I would live outside for awhile. As I recall tony instructed the brothers to give me 50 dollars. A very tidy sum for 18 years of service. As time progressed my financial situation progressed. Also, God has blessed my soul.
Contrary to your statement, I have posted my views of tony alamo. Just recently regarding the untimely death of brother Greg Howard. I think it is very unfortunate the way tony is now. You must consider there has been a great deal of discussion on this board regarding tony. I discussed tony because you asked me to. As I have mentioned before, there are other things to talk about. There are some posters that ONLY talk about tony. Yes, I have pointed that out from time time. If you look at this board objectively, you will notice at least 98% or more are posts about tony. I just asked if we could have just a couple thread that did not mention tony at all. Was that too much to ask?

floridian

08-17-2007, 10:38 AM

brotherd,to bad you feel that way,it is no sales pitch for,Hebrews 9:22,And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
That is not to be spoken of lightly brotherd, Job 16:2,I have heard many such things: miserable comforters are ye all.
3,Shall vain words have an end? or what emboldeneth thee that thou answerest?
4,I also could speak as ye do: if your soul were in my soul's stead, I could heap up words against you, and shake mine head at you. 4,But I would strengthen you with my mouth, and the moving of my lips should asswage your grief.
Job 17:2,Are there not mockers with me? and doth not mine eye continue in their provocation?
John 5:30,I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
And God 's will is,Matthew 18:14,Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.
That sinners prayer comes out of the bible brotherd,please do not mock it.Pick on me all you want,mock me and laugh at me,but,please do not mock the Word the Spirit of God. I can handle you,,God can destroy you for your vain unprofitable words,Matthew 12:36,But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. Now I am not saying your not doing this,just remeinding you, Acts 8:4,Therefore they that were scattered abroad went every where preaching the word. I hope that you fit that in sometimes. 2 Corinthians 4:2, But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.
brotherd a couple of people confessed Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior on this board,they said the sinners prayer,They are new born christians ,are they not!Yes Yes Yes ,Luke 15:7,I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance. John 8:45,And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

floridian

08-17-2007, 10:50 AM

Church services starts in Arkansas at 7 pm,In saugus at 8 pm,you should get there about 5 minutes till,and please have it set in your heart to hear and then leave after services,say hello,you confessed that you said the sinners prayer,so now just a little fellowship then you are off back to your home,then lets talk about it,REMEMBER JOE,we all wait to hear back from you,I will speak with you later,and thank you for becomeing a Brother in the Lord as you have confessed here on this board.

brother_d

08-17-2007, 11:12 AM

don't wait up for me

joe_n_bama

08-17-2007, 12:33 PM

good morning there floridian and all i talked to mixter on the phone yesterdy and im looking at were it looks like he told you i was planning some kinda violent action to your church that is perty slick how ya say that stuff were ya thank people dont under stand oh well that must be some kinda alamo thang i am not a member and never did i say i was planing some kinda violence to that or any church NEVER i thought that mix was out of that group well he might be one that helps get peopleinlisted or something i thought that my sister wes with alamo church but my wife says it is some mormon sect??? shes 37 years old and i wish her all the luck and best can you tell me if yall have a big garden at each of those comunes and do yall milk cows canyall use tractors whereyou farm thanks joe

floridian

08-17-2007, 12:43 PM

Good Morning brother Joe,You seen no words Like that from me and I am the one working with you on this so don't jump ship now,You said you dedicated your life to the Lord,and I was the vessel God used so remember I care for your Soul more than you can think. Mixter1 is trying to help,yet I am the one you are working with o.k.?

joe_n_bama

08-17-2007, 02:01 PM

i dont know about allthat vessel biz i dictated my life to christ with my wife and children about 6 years ago but i still have alot to work is that mixer one of the outside people who checks out everything about me before you will talkto me ya know make sure im not a heavy crime boss or something well ill tell ya the truth i am a tater and watermelon grower and the way the weather has ben hot and dry its ben slim and none and none is bout around the corner i want to meet you in person i am assuming you are tony alamo himself i understand the checking out prosess because alot of people dont care for you verry much i dont KNOW about all that stuff lots of wives i just got one and sometimes i dont like her much less a housefull of em i would like to know about your farming process to help feed all those folks actually i have millions of questions 1st topic is your farming opperation and there are about 25 sub topics with that but i do thank you for your time to talk to me i do want to say i understand your main reason for talking to me is to get me to join your church i think but im not interested and im not going to make you belive im interested in joining your cult or church iDO NOT MEAN ANY OFFENCE TO YOU OR ANY BODY ELSE see big shots like you who know bill clinton and ELVIS and get to go to florida on a minutes notice or wake up in the morning and just go to cali and look at a 100 acre strawberry patch and then tell one of your helpers LETS BUY IT that is some more kinda farming thats big time produce bizz i just want yall to know that i nor my wife or kids are interested in joining a new church and i am only interested in your side of this story anotherthing if you are doing bad things to me i promise i also have a retentive attorny here in scottsboro and the law is the law if these folks are haveing these problems they should obtain proffesional council but any way thanks for your response i will not ask any questions until you read this like i said i will not take advantage of your reasons to satisfy my own reasons thank you joe

joe_n_bama

08-17-2007, 02:36 PM

hey now look up a coupleof spots wher mixter is talking to floridian and tells him that theres only 2 or 3 people around and there all busy well before he posted that he was on the phone with me i was telling him about my sister maby in tht compound she is not my wife says shes not but any ways i told mixer that people should rent or buy however you can get it a place as close to the foulk ark church and put the biggest sighn up that law will allow that says PEOPLE OF THE WORLD HELP CENTER HELPING REUNITEING FAMILYS CHILDREN MOTHERS AND FATHERS BREAK FREE FROM RELIGIOUS CHAINS THAT BIND or something to that affect but you gotta get it as close to the church as possible with a big 1 800# then when those folks will know that help is available here in alabama in our area wal mart is every BUT every where you see a walmart you seeaTARGETSTORE or KMART THE resson i say call it people of the world is because did the organization use to tell the members you can not survive in with the people of the world well we let them know with our building and our BIG SEXY SIGHN that we are people of the world and we will helpyou get back in the groove of things with a job a place to live NOT IN FOULK but where ever they want to that mixer told me not to post this because someone will sabbatoge it but i dont know who is a member or a ex member i do know he did not post the email i wrote him saying the same thing oh well thought id tell ya and if im not on the rite thred im sorry joe n bama

anchored

08-17-2007, 03:22 PM

hey lester, you are a total NUT JOB.

Added to the list you're a TONY ALAMO CULT recruiter, supporter, worshipper, and defender of the GREAT REPROBATE, LIAR, CHILD RAPIST, CHILD BEATER AND ABUSER, PORNOGRAPHER, ADULTERER, FORNICATOR, KATRINA THIEF (false profit), PERVERTED HORNIE TOAD, SCRIPTURE TWISTING FALSE PROPHET, TONY ALAMO.

LOSER!

anchored

08-17-2007, 03:39 PM

Joe, floridian is not Tony Alamo. That is Les Woods, who TONY ALAMO, THE CHILD RAPING PERVERT won't allow to live in his joint because he's such a mess.

Look how he tried to take credit for your salvation. Hahaha.

joe_n_bama

08-17-2007, 04:28 PM

OK i didnt know i am for real like i said I DONT KNOW WHO IS OR WHO AINT i am curious to know if they got a big farm and i am serious about getting a place rite next door to big Ts place like i said i aint got much to do ill be in fouck arkin a couple of days but now im starting to wonder if some one is going to sneak up behind me put a sak over my head and make me work on there truck farm for 5 bucks ha ha ha yea thats why i told that guy rite off the bat i am not interested in changes to my church besides im the only guitar picker they got and if i changed churches then unity babtist would only have a ragged ole uprite piano but seriously do you thank starting a help center there in foulk would do any good thanks joe

heynow

08-17-2007, 05:07 PM

Anchored, You are posting on the wrong thread. I kicked tony off this thread. PLEASE Don't invite him back. PLEASE don't mention his name here. PLEASE as I mention many times, there are at least 20 - 30 threads you can talk about tony on. PLEASE post about tony there not here. Let's just have one or two thread where we talk about something other than tony. Really now, is that too much to ask?

anchored

08-17-2007, 05:23 PM

Heynow,

There's no rules from Factnet about what threads you can or cannot post on.

What are you the thread cop now??

Besides that, I was informing Joe Bama that floridian is not Tony Alamo.

And even it was, who in their right mind would want to talk to or get advise from TONY ALAMO, a LYING, THIEVING, CHILD ABUSING, POLYGAMY PRACTICING, RAPING PEDOPHILE, FALSE PROPHET???

alanb

08-17-2007, 05:26 PM

Joe,
You are unfortunately very new to all this, and I still question the motives of a total stranger to want to have anything to do with helping Alamo members leave, especially since you now say that your sister was in some Mormon place, and not Alamo.
But, I'll try to believe that you are just a do-gooder.
I have been working with the people in Fouke for a long time and have many friends there.
Opening up a help center will be pointless. The people in the compound, never leave. They will not see any signs (Billboards are not allowed in Fouke). THe citizens of Fouke have already extended a hand to try and help people still in the church.
THe same is probably true in all the other cities.
You just don't know enough about the whole situation and backround.
All the ex-members on here are very frustrated as to why Alamo is still around. Gov't agencies are aware of him. Lots of people are aware of him.
If what you say is true, it is all very noble, but you will be wasting what money you have.

anchored

08-17-2007, 05:33 PM

Heynow, if you're so adamant about not talking about Tony Alamo, GO GET YOUR OWN FORUM!!!!!!!!!

joe_n_bama

08-17-2007, 06:02 PM

THANK YOU FOR THAT HONEST INPUT I HAVE NEVER STATED THAT I AM SOME KINDA BIBLE HERO AND THAT IS WHATI WAS ASKING ALL THESE QUESTIONS FOR ALL I WAS TRYING TO DO WAS OFFER HELP THATS ALL FREE NO CHARGE I SAID NOTHING TO ANY ONE UNTIL I READ THESE THREDS IT TOOK 5 DAYS THAN I STARTED TRYING TO HELP I THOUGHT ALL X MEMBERS WOULD OFFER WHAT THEY COULD ANY VOLUNTEERS OFFER WHAT THEY CAN BUT EACH ONE OF YALL ARE TRYING TO BRING THIS GUY DOWN BY YOURSELF AND YOU ARE NOT WANTING TO WORK TOGETHER TONY HAS TAUGHT YALL WELL THROUGH YOUR OWN SELFFISH GREED OF BEING THE ONE THAT BUSTED ALAMO YOU ATTACK ANY ONE WHO OFFERS A HAND TO HELP NOT A PROBLEM WITH ME A BUNCH OF YALL WANT FAME I will not post my oppinions on here again you are welcome for the help joseph

mixter1

08-17-2007, 06:10 PM

Hi Joe,
I AM NOT LIVING IN THAT COMPOUND. I LIVE OUT
WEST. I WAS LIVING IN THE ALAMO FOUNDATION THERE 7 YEARS. I HAVE BEEN OUT FOR 27 YEARS. I CAN'T DO ANY DETECTIVE WORK(DIFFERENT JOB). YOU CAN TRY CALLING THE FOUNDATION NUMBERS. IF THEY SAY THAT SHE IS NOT THERE THEN FILE A MISSING PERSON REPORT. THE ALAMO GOSPEL TRACTS ARE A CLUE AND
THEY CAN GO THERE TO FIND HER. THEY BETTER!
-Mixter

heynow

08-17-2007, 06:17 PM

Anchored, Read carefully what I wrote.

anchored

08-17-2007, 06:39 PM

Hey Heynow, I read what you wrote. What's more to say? Nothings's changed! You're telling me where to post and where not to post. And, once again, I'm telling you to GO START YOUR OWN FORUM.

Now you go back and read carefully what I wrote and, while you're at it, get a life.

mixter1

08-17-2007, 06:39 PM

Hi Joe,

I DO NOT HELP PEOPLE GET IN THAT CHURCH. I WILL
TRY STOP ANYONE FROM GOING THERE AT ALL. I AM
A CHRISTIAN WHO THE SPIRIT OF GOD TOLD TO EXPOSE
TONY ALAMO. TO RAIL AGAINST HIM. MAKE FUN OF HIM EVEN PROPHESY AGAINST HIM. BUT I'M NOT SURE THE LATTER WILL SERVE OUR GOAL HERE. PROPHESY HAS TO BE HEARD BY TONY. WHO IN THAT CULT HAS GUTS TO READ THAT TO HIM.

-Mixter

mixter1

08-17-2007, 07:09 PM

ALSO, joe

I WAS NOT REFERING TO YOU.
Some times people looking for a sister or brothers is from a marine elite force and want to take matters in their own hand and we tell them no. Don't do that!!! I was refering to an
incident before I was on this forum. I should not have said we. But that's what can happen. When I talked to you I had that concern as many people get so angry. People HATE that place. Sisters and Brothers are common but what about a daughter(not refering to your sister) sister. Hypothetically that stuff can happen. And it can get worse. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
-Mix

bystander

08-17-2007, 08:28 PM

Heynow,

You are wearing me out and I'm not even an exmember. F.A.C.T.net is a website devoted to the purpose of exposing destructive cults and or organizations that manipulate and coerce followers. Those who are posting here have been there and have the scars to prove it. Please stop "rebuking" them for baring their souls on what ever thread they choose. You are like the child on the playground who says "if you don't play like I want to, I want play with you any more."

And yes...not posting about Tony on any one of these threads is too much to ask.

mixter1

08-17-2007, 10:07 PM

Bystander,
You are correct. That's what we do.
HERE IS MORE INFO:

IT GETS REALLY BAD. HERE TO SUPPORT SOME OF WHAT
I SAID IS THE ALAMO PHILOSOPHY.. HERESY.
HIS FALSE DOCTRINE, ON MULTIPLE WIVES:
TONY ALAMO FALSE PROPHET&HERETIC
Old testament; Deuteronomy:
A KING HAD TO FOLLOW THE RULES:
Deu 17:17 Neither shall he multiply wives to himself, that his heart turn not away: neither shall he greatly multiply to himself silver and gold.

That's Moses speaking TONY DOES NOT CARE.
multiply: like 1 times 2, 3 times 1. DO YOU GET THAT!!!
TONY'S HEART MUST BE TURNED AWAY FROM GOD SO HE IS
SERVING HIMSELF. IN TRUE FORM.
WHAT HAPPENS TO HERETICS???? WHERE DO THEY END UP
TONY YOU PERVERT???

floridian

08-18-2007, 12:47 AM

George mcclure ,I am not les woods,and I think that this les woods you speak of as being messed up as you say,aren't you going to pray for him instead of slandering him?,ya know george many are called,but few are chosen,but you seem to have given up your choseness ,you slam at people here you call names,you say that you did not say something,and there is alot that you did say,and I have seen many places where it is recorded you editing your speach. George mcclure hate me all you want hate all that you think is evil.but do the right thing and pray a little more,do not make fun of people getting Saved,do not try to sow discord,George I have talked with some of the other old timers and we will be praying for you to have a Good God Blessed Christian walk,and please George I say this truthfuly and honestly,I want you to have peace,I want to have peace with you,and I will be sorry for ever if we do not remain Brothers. Please everyone on this Board who say that you can call upon the Lord do so now for anchore and myself to keep the Peace.

floridian

08-18-2007, 12:48 AM

anchored

08-18-2007, 02:24 AM

Floridian, You are so far off base about me. But I am glad I am a needle in your side. Of all the posters here I get to you the most - LOL. Several others have rebuked you for your ridiculous rambling and your phony, pretentious self-righteous benevolence you come in here posting with. But I seem to get to you the most.

By the way, I edit my posts for spelling and letter omissions because I type fast and sometimes miss things. Anyway, what's that got to do with anything? Good grief, you are so desperate you have to resort to trivia like that? You're so Tony Alamo mindset. You fish for other people's minor shortcomings or mistakes and then you slander them for nothing. You gnat strainers. Like Jesus said you strain at a gnat and swallow a camel.

Well, I see one thing for sure about you floridian. You are all about getting the spotlight off your SCUM BUCKET PERVERTED, RAPING PEDOPHILE leader TONY ALAMO. You aren't the first to try that, nor will you probably be the last. Give it up. The posters will just continue putting the attention back where it belongs.

Well, you know nothing about me except that I don't worship Tony Alamo like YOU and those "old-timers" you speak of that are still there lickin' that OLD MIDGET SEX DWARF PERVERT'S elevator boots with their noses all brown from all those years of kissin' his disgusting arse. And you know that I come in here and get that old PERVERTED PEDOPHILE SCUM BAG, TONY ALAMO real good. I'm so glad that satan's mad at me. TONI is tellin' ya to come after me HALLELUJAH!

You should be ashamed of yourself coming in here and pretending to be a great soul winner. Joe Bama said he and his wife had already been saved for 6 years, you imposter. Then you come in here and act all johnny spiritual and brag - I am the one that won you, not mixter. I, I, I, I, just like your perverted, ego maniac leader, Tony Asslamo.

When it comes to scriptures, you have about as much skill as Job's comforters who should have applied all those scriptures to themselves. They, like you, were more interested in working out Job's salvation than they were their own. So typical of self-righteous hypocrites. You need to apply the scriptures to yourself and work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. Believe me, you'll have all you can handle.

Listen, you better hurry up or you're going to be late. You have a TONY ALAMO CULT meeting and it starts at 7 in Arkansas and 8 in Saugus. I do feel sorry for the unsuspecting souls that might get unwittingly sucked into that hell trap, especially if they have little underage girls with them.

heynow

08-18-2007, 05:57 AM

Anchored, There is more to life than tony alamo.

jackrussell

08-18-2007, 08:47 AM

Mac,
Don't let the outside agitation get so into your crawl, you're a good man. But also you are right, and more so I also smell a rat about 'agitators.'(not referring in any way to Heynow). Mac, check out the inconsistency of a certain new agri posters' dialogue change ups, from legible to slang, from slang to proper. So feigned semi literacy, it sure does appear. Catch my drift? G

brother_d

08-18-2007, 01:25 PM

Mac -

You don't even need to look at the syntax...you can smell the filth coming out of certain posters. In the words of the lovely Lisa Simpson...."Religion. The last refuge of a scoundrel." Pretty much defines tonee.

anchored

08-18-2007, 01:29 PM

Yeah G, caught it. If you'll notice, have only responded a couple times to change up where some are more gullible.

I know you mean good about the agitation point. Don't worry G, it may appear that way. I live a great, healthy, prosperous and busy life. Don't let my demeanor throw ya. I like to be a needle in the perv's side. It appears you're doing fine too. I hope and pray so.

anchored

08-18-2007, 01:34 PM

JK, for your info, I have a great life, if that's what you're really concerned about, which I doubt. Did you make services last night? Is that why you're too scared to say anything bad about the perv?

anchored

08-18-2007, 01:44 PM

brother d, i'm not much into tv., but agree, can smell the same stench. Unfortunately, religion is all too often the vehicle for scroundrels like Tony who use it to exploit the innocent. Our only consolation is that there definitely is a day of reckoning, and WOE to the offenders. Later, got a busy Saturday ahead. Sorry for the edit. I had to edit because i made a faux pas and put G instead of brother d. Bad me. Please believe me, I had no evil motive- lol.

(Message edited by anchored on August 18, 2007)

floridian

08-18-2007, 02:17 PM

anchore thank you for Saying Jesus,I sure am glad you call upon his Name,Jesus Christ came in the flesh,Jesus Christ the Son of God, Say it again anchored, Jesus Christ,Acts 4:12,Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.And We thank You Lord Jesus for saving our souls. Amen. Amen All?

brother_d

08-18-2007, 02:24 PM

floridian -

If you defend tonee alameo or any of his works, don't get on here and pretend to espouse Jesus, too. There is no connection between Jesus and tonee alameo. tonee is a lying pervert.

brother_d

08-18-2007, 02:35 PM

Light has no fellowship with darkness. tonee alameo is the Prince of Darkness.

floridian

08-18-2007, 03:03 PM

brother d,thank you also for saying the Name Jesus. Please say "Jesus Christ has come in the flesh" It sure would help me out in my staight and narrow walk,for I need all the mercy that others will pray for me to.

brother_d

08-18-2007, 03:09 PM

floridian -

this site is not about brother d. he does not claim to be world pastor or elevate himself to any position of authority. this site is about exposing all of the horrific crimes committed by tonee alameo and his "foundation" using Jesus as a front. Do you steal mattresses from the poor and needy in the name of Jesus? Do you beat children in the name of Jesus? Do you force young girls into your bed in the name of Jesus? You don't need me to pray for you. Repent and get out of that place. Seek your own salvation.

brother_d

08-18-2007, 03:18 PM

Just a reminder - to quote Raining...

Tony Alamo aka Bernie Lazar Hoffman is a convicted felon proclaiming himself as World Pastor, setting himself up as the infallible despotic spiritual leader of duped, ill-informed, followers (being deprived of their most basic freedoms) and their unprotected children, along with a handful of devoted followers doing Tony Alamo aka Bernie Lazar Hoffman’s psychotic, controlling, dirty work, as Tony Alamo aka Bernie Lazar Hoffman lives as sumptuously as possible off all their labors, all the while professing to be a holy man of God.

Tony Alamo is a pedophile (raping, molesting & fondling young female children). He molests and rapes girls as young as 8 years old, then calls them his “wife” and proceeds to brag about “how tight they were” on his pulpit all the while professing to be a holy man of God.

wild_dream

08-18-2007, 04:30 PM

he's not "les woods", he's Les Wood, without the "s". Amen.

brother_d

08-18-2007, 04:37 PM

I thought he was Less Brains

raining

08-18-2007, 05:05 PM

yes there is way more to life than TA!

I thank God I can get up everyday and decide how to live my life. I can pray, fast, read Bible, eat,and sleep when I want. I can work at whatever job I want, I can hop in my car and drive where ever I want, I can spend my own money anyway I want, I can talk on the phone whenever I want, I can go on vacation and enjoy The beauty God has created whenever I want.

I no longer have TONY ALAMO, a LYING, THIEVING, CHILD ABUSING, POLYGAMY PRACTICING, RAPING PEDOPHILE, FALSE PROPHET CONTROLLING MY EVERYDAY LIFE!

ISN'T FREEDOM GREAT - GOD MADE US TO HAVE FREE WILL. TONY WANTED US TO SUBMIT EVEN OUR STINKIN THINKIN TO HIM, INSTEAD OF BEING SERVANTS OF THE MOST HIGH GOD, TONY TRIES TO MAKE PEOPLE SERVANTS TO TONY ALAMO!

Jesus set me FREE - FREE FROM TA,

However this is a great site to expose that lying false profit Tony Alamo!

joe_n_bama

08-18-2007, 05:42 PM

hello jack russel who ever you are i think its kinda funny that you are pairenoid about every body that comes on this site oh well and every bodyelse that thinks i am a alamo supporter (I AM NOT)but hey better safe than sorry as i said i am here to offer help weather it is accepted or not that is all and to let some of yall (JR) in perticular to be more carefull when ya talk bad about someone to just say it dont be so sneaky but thats ok if this is all i can do is make you paranoid hey ill stop but i will ask questions I DO RESPECT WHAT YOU HAVE GONE THROUGH ALL OF YOU AND I AM WANTING TO FIND A SOULUTION TO THE PROBLEM WITH YOU ALL NOT BYMYSELF but if im insulted i will defend my self thank you jack russel joeNbama notjoe obama that is verry insulting to me

alanb

08-18-2007, 05:57 PM

Bama-
Like I said to you the other day. We do not need outside people, totally unfamiliar with the issues here, and incapable of helping in any way, to intrude on the importance of this site.
Get it through your head - THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO TO HELP HERE -GO AWAY.
Go chat with some tater farmers in Iaho.
THis is not a case of paranoia. THis is a case of YOU CAN"T HELP, so stop trying to think there is anything you can offer us here.
THese people here have LIVED in this group. They know the WORKINGS of the group and the SICKNESS of it's leader. Some still have family in the group.
All you know is what you read online, and for us to take the time to talk to you and try and explain things is a waste of time. We have important issues at hand here, and since you are NOT a lawyer, not do you have a LOT of money (which in a situation like this, does not necessarily help ) we really don't need to address you any more.
That's my say on it..................
For those that disagree with me, you reach your own conclusions. This man is a "plant"

joe_n_bama

08-18-2007, 06:28 PM

alan b im so glad you and a bunch of self ritiouspeople are driving the bus that will take this child raping NUT out of commision with all your secret talk and what ever makes acertain few of ya FEEL good ill continue to offer help untill im kicked off this site i belive you and a few others want the noteriety of I AM THE REASON TONY WAS JAILED you are acting like a bunch of little school kids how many times have you consulted with other churches regardless of denomination CAN WE NOT BRING THEM ALL TOGETHER IN THE NAME OF SAVEING THE ABUSSED CHILDREN bring some exposure on that nut but ya aint doing nothing ya just keep bad mouthing any body that trys a suggestion and secretly saying hes a member hes dumb hes cia hes fbi hesnot ligit hes lying well ill TELL YOU BUDDY WHAT IM BELIVEING IS YOU ARE FULL OF ANTI CULT CRAPPPPPP and furthermore for every dollar you show me in person ill match it with 3 then with the money you and me raise together from a argument like 2 old women well hire 24 hour survialence at that compound in fouck or any other gate you can pick HOW BOUT IT i got a friend that is a half way decent guitar player that wants to get with all the churches raise some money to get the message out about see you dont evedintlly understand that the prosecuting attorneys and investigators are state funded but will extremely consider any and all new evedince pertanant to tony by credited private sub contractors im sure a person of your education and cult knowledge can under stand this if a dumb ole tater farmer can COME ON

floridian

08-19-2007, 01:47 AM

I do not know who you think I am wilddream,what I do know is people have more concern about who I am than what I testify about,and what I testify about is Jesus Christ an him crucified,you see wilddream,Acts 4:12,Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.That is the name wilddream,and I hope it is a name that you promote,and while you think that you are helping brotherd,be sure to pray for him because he has alot of bitterness,Hebrews 12:15,Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;
That bitterness would like to root up in me and you and anyone who preaches,the true Gospel of Jesus Christ,you see wilddream the devil really wants to divide to concore,the devil really works hard even through people who think that they are helping,Proverbs 14:12,There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.That is such a very important Scripture,that God quoted it twice,Proverbs 16:25,There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death,hey brotherd calls me other names also,I have been called alot of names,thats o.k.the only real inportant name is Jesus Christ,Amen.Jesus Christ says,Matthew 5:9,Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. wilddream sometimes you can see the bitternes in a mans heart and that is why we as christian should,Proverbs 15:28,The heart of the righteous studieth to answer: but the mouth of the wicked poureth out evil things. There is a big difference between anger and bitterness, we can Ephesians 4:26,Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: and when you let that sun go down on your wrath,then it starts to turn bitter. Sometimes we forget in our talks with one another,brotherd and I anchored and I,all and I,that,Proverbs 27:6,Faithful are the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful.

brother_d

08-19-2007, 02:02 AM

floridian, did you forget to take your medications again? you know you need them.

floridian

08-19-2007, 02:10 AM

Thanks for reminding me brotherd,I will read some proverbs now,thanks again.

brother_d

08-19-2007, 02:19 AM

read them slowly. maybe God will give you true understanding.

floridian

08-19-2007, 02:41 AM

Yes you are right,I read it slowly and God gave me this, that even tho I have been called all kinds of names,names of state of mind,state of actions,and even different people,that we all have this one name we should call, Proverbs 18:10,The name of the LORD is a strong tower: the righteous runneth into it, and is safe.

bintheredunthat

08-19-2007, 06:03 AM

floridian,

"the kisses of an enemy are deceitful."

I think that describes you and your posts to a tee. You're just dripping with the love of God but at the same time you're encouraging people to go to the cult that's run by the pedophile calling it a church and acting like those who are protecting that child molesting rapist are brothers and sisters in the Lord.

Haven't you read the testimonies of the young girls who were raped and beaten. One even fled in the middle of the night in fear of her life. Don't you care about their souls? Obviously not. They are one of the main reasons for this expose of Alamo. If he were just quoting scriptures and living high on the hog like a lot of other phoney evangelists he wouldn't rate so much attention but he has gone much further in breaking both the laws of God and man, even committing offenses that would have required stoning him in the OT. Yet you seem to think that as long as he distributes the sinners prayer that everything else he does is OK. Is that your deal? Once saved always saved, let us sin that grace may abound.

You are sick. Repent or perish.

jackrussell

08-19-2007, 06:49 AM

joe n bama,

You're not really a tater or potato farmer are you. Your speech kind of betrays you, just a little bit. So awesomely clever how you go along so grammar perfect for awhile, you said "and you are acting like a bunch of little school kids how many times have you consulted with other churches regardless of denomination CAN WE NOT BRING THEM ALL TOGETHER IN THE NAME OF" then just fall into a semi literate punctually poor ramble. Had you figured out a long time ago, and now does everbody else. As Alan has specified, you are some kind of a plant, not too unlike poison ivy, or maybe just an independent contractor, to come on this board and feign and act as you do with that phoney regard. Your distractions are wasting time, and your mockerey of the situation is noted. We understand you and your agenda. It is high time for ignore. Goodbye agi-tator farmer.

joe_n_bama

08-19-2007, 08:16 AM

Well good evening MrRussel, Yes there are a few ag related businuss that my firm are partners in along with a few non ag related but for the curiosity of any one other than yourself 70% is related to agriculture and 30% poision ivy i appoligise for my rudeness i hope you are having a pleasant evening and please give Mrs russel my latest regards i am so impressed that you along with a few others think that i am a member of that trash can of a place some would call a church wich i am definetly NOT contrary to some should there be appriciation for all of the analizing your group has none and i do appoligize for the poor punctuation of any post that are read from my key pad I simply can not type but however as i have stated in the past if im in sulted i shall insult if i am abused i shall abuse the one who carried out the act to me if i am treated wit kindness than kindness will be poured out by me you Mr Russel are a man that since departing from that place have taken nothing for granted i bet you are one of the best husbands and fathers and maby grandfathers and you are verry protective of what you think to be yours HOW EVER you have had 20 TWENTYplus years to bring this WORLD PASTOR DOWN and all i see are the same articles on different pages saying the same thing wich are true i was never there why was this nut able to establish a place in faulk did he do this while most of you were out and did you honestly keep up with this nut the whole time and are you doing any thing now you know the answer to that one not me OHYEA thats rite every thing you and alan b do to help bring down this crap hole comune is under secret raps cause you dont want tony to post your picture on the internet or say some nasty lie about you or you might enjoy all this drama and you are afraid someone else might steel your thunder well ill offer some assurance on that matter you will never know it till its done its like a bad infected tooth Mr Russel The dentist will be with him shortly for what some would call a long overdue EXTRATION before you ignore me and i you lets agree not to say negative things about one another for afterall i do hold myself a southern gentlemen and i do you the honor of same some how i feel i have lost the only cribage opponent that would ever be worthey good night Mr Russel joe_N_bama

floridian

08-19-2007, 01:57 PM

Matthew 10:22,And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.Romans 9:22,What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: Romans 9:23,And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
What if God himself has a plan? (I am sure he does)God is the plan fufiller,and He would that none would perish but that all would repent,but there will be in that day, Matthew 7:22,Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? Matthew 7:23,And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. bintheredunthat,if I die with sin on my soul,I will go to hell,if I try to change or take away from God's Holy word and His Holy Plan,or jump in there and try to add to His Holy Plan,( you know like try to help God to move quicker,or maybe add my interpitation,or well you know) Then this is what happens to me,Revelation 22:19,And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. That goes for all,you,me, especially those who say they are a real christian,in the church out side of the church.I live daily with the sorrow of not making Father God more happy.I do all that I can to stand,and I Do stand. Let the word of God tell you this for it is all so very important,Please stop calling everything I do or say evil,I know that if I lift up the Name,lift up the Word,lift up the Vessel that the Holy Ghost dwells in so richly, John 12:32,And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.I am not taking any chances with your soul or anyones soul,JESUS CHRIST the SON of GOD,and is the NAME,and by lifting up His Name,JESUS CHRIST,A Soul received Salvation on this board,and another rededicated,and then was mocked of others,Friends,Brothers and sisters,and me,let us remember,God the Father,God the Son,and God the HOLY GHOST. Today is a good Day to be pleaseing to GOD

no_stoppin_me

08-19-2007, 02:39 PM

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

brother_d

08-19-2007, 02:58 PM

Has anyone ever bought Dr. Bronner's castille soap in the bottle? It's the one with all of the inane preaching covering the label. It seems just crazy at first, but then it's too boring to read the whole thing. You realize he's just off his rocker. Do tonee's tracts and floridian's rants on here remind you of Dr. Bronner - long winded blowhards who just like to hear themselves talk? Is there a connection? or a cure?

worm_can_opener

08-19-2007, 04:01 PM

all this ranting just reeks of THE PERV. I picked it up immediately, when I saw Joe use words, ON THIS THREAD, spelled to perfection ; regardless, continue, punctuation, seriously, contractors, investigators, agriculture, prosecuting attorneys (that one really gave him away) impressed, etc. then....intermingled with all the prim, proper, and perfect spelling were these- perticular, rite next door, babtist, saveing abussed children, yall, pairenoid, yall,evedintly,yall, self-ritious, etc. this is an imposter, folks !! the best solution to the problem, in my opinion ??? to take a wide detour around all these time-squandering roadblocks, YALL !! Worm Can Opener p.s. R.O.T.F.L.

anchored

08-19-2007, 04:22 PM

Can Opener -
You are accurate in every thing you have said. They have tried this same routine before where they play off of each other's rantings back and forth pretending they are separate, unrelated entities. Once again, they are trying to play the discussion board like a violin. Only one thing, they are atrocioulsy out of tune, just like when Tony Alamo drones. You call that singing TONE? I've heard better noises from the pasture.

Their little charade here is like a mini drama/play. I bet I can guess who wrote the script. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/lol.gif

worm_can_opener

08-19-2007, 04:36 PM

THE WORLD PEDOPHILE DID !!!!!

floridian

08-19-2007, 04:38 PM

If you preach and keep,it,than that is real good,if you preach and don't keep it,then it is not good,not good at all,Proverbs 1:22,How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? and the scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge?:23,Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you.
24,Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded;
25,But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:
26,I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh;
27,When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you.
28,Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me:
29,For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the LORD:
30,They would none of my counsel: they despised all my reproof.
31,Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices.
32,For the turning away of the simple shall slay them, and the prosperity of fools shall destroy them.
33,But whoso hearkeneth unto me shall dwell safely, and shall be quiet from fear of evil.

anchored

08-19-2007, 04:40 PM

I won't come back in and "edit my speach." My boo boo on atrociously, that is. Will Y'ALL pardon my dyslexia?? At least I know how to spell a simple word like speech.

floridian

08-19-2007, 04:43 PM

Sorry for my spelling ,thanks and I will try to clean my spelling up,thanks again.

anchored

08-19-2007, 05:00 PM

Can Opener -
Did you notice a fly in the ointment? Maybe it was just another gnat. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/uhoh.gif

Oh, woe is me. Another edit.

(Message edited by anchored on August 19, 2007)

raining

08-19-2007, 05:19 PM

Posted by floridian on Friday, August 17, 2007 - -:50 am:
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Church services starts in Arkansas at 7 pm,In saugus at 8 pm.

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Raining's words-

During the time I lived inside the Alamo foudation I was so proud to be a christian and part of the Alamo Foundation. I would proudly proclaim "Tony & Susan Alamo Foundation" when trying to compel others to attend services! I was convinced this was the house of God. (Now I know better- the Lord opened my eyes about that LIAR tony alamo)

What's the matter Floridian are you tooooo ashamed to admit you support the Alamo Foundation?

I still haven't seen you post those words "Alamo Foundation".

You alluded in your above post that you were sending people to the Alamo Foundation in Saugus. (How many other places holding services in Saugus also have a sister place holding services in Arkansas?)

Are you too ashamed to proclaim to the world that you are part of the Alamo foundation?

That's a step in the right direction!

I wouldn't want anyone to know that I support and defend a child abusing, polygamy practicing, lying, thieving, raping pedophile, and false prophet (profit) like Tony Alamo.

Tony quotes scriptures day and night, and claims to be the "World Pastor", but line his life up with the Bible. The Bible tells us Satan can quote scriptures. It is not the quoter of the Word of God or the hearer of the Word of God that shall be justified, but rather the DOER of God's Word.

Even a baby Christian knows it is wrong to LIE!

Tony Alamo continually lies on his radio broadcast. Everyone knows God HATES a LYING TONGUE and God does not dwell with LIARS!

Why do you want to be yoked to darkness?

(Message edited by Raining on August 19, 2007)

floridian

08-19-2007, 06:07 PM

Why would I want to be yoked to you raining,I never eluded that I am the one who posted it,you know that,why would you say that I denied it.I will say it again,exactly what I said before, copied and pasted: Church services starts in Arkansas at 7 pm,In saugus at 8 pm,you should get there about 5 minutes till,and please have it set in your heart to hear and then leave after services,say hello,you confessed that you said the sinners prayer,so now just a little fellowship then you are off back to your home,then lets talk about it,REMEMBER JOE,we all wait to hear back from you,I will speak with you later,and thank you for becomeing a Brother in the Lord as you have confessed here on this board. I did not say what you said raining and that is this,(During the time I lived inside the Alamo foudation I was so proud to be a christian and part of the Alamo Foundation. I would proudly proclaim "Tony & Susan Alamo Foundation" when trying to compel others to attend services! I was convinced this was the house of God. (Now I know better- the Lord opened my eyes about that LIAR tony alamo))I never said that,you must of copied and pasted someone else's statement,or just trying to sow disscord amongest brethern,and you know God hates that, Proverbs 6:14,Frowardness is in his heart, he deviseth mischief continually; he soweth discord.
Proverbs 6:19,A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
It is Just a name raining,here goes,alamo foundation,alamo foundation, Hey wait a minute raining,I never heard you say " Peter Piper picked a pec of pickles,a pec of pickles Peter Piper picked.

joe_n_bama

08-19-2007, 06:14 PM

good morning to all i hope you all are having a pleasant sunday bernie has not once offerd to purchase my house in vianna hills in fort smith so im offering it up for sale i think it would make a great hiding place for fact net posters but also you would maby be rite close to a friend Mr sexton i dont make it a habit to drop names but some of you are going to drop them for me regardless of truth can any one without shredding me to pieces tell me where your proof is of the ALEGED copyright infringement does any one have document proof this man wants to rewrite the bible in his own name or is he offering his simple maby sick version ya know ya might as well think about joseph smith of the mormons or jehova there are many applications of the bible so before ya get started on that hunt ill tell ya it will be a long dark stretch of woods to run that coon NOT ENDORSING NOR APPROVING THIS MESSAGE FOR TONY A

brother_d

08-19-2007, 06:28 PM

joe_n_bama is really Joe_n_cahoots with tonee. Anyone who had a house in Fianna Hills would know how to spell it, especially if he were friends with Sam Sexton, tonee's ex-lawyer friend. Beware folks!

brother_d

08-19-2007, 06:30 PM

...and the post about tonee writing a bible was sarcastic humor, albeit built on tonee's history of stealing other people's works.

anchored

08-19-2007, 06:33 PM

"HOW TO GET THE SPOTLIGHT OFF FROM TONY ALAMO'S ATROCITIES."

Starring: MOE AND CURLY with spelling and grammar by LARRY

Written by the one and only WORLD PEDOPHILE:

BERNIE BIZARRE HOFFMAN - PEN NAME TONY ALAMO

anchored

08-19-2007, 06:51 PM

Oh, and I forgot, Directed by Tony Alamo

jackrussell

08-19-2007, 07:05 PM

'Cause some newbees come on here talking like they been drooling in a doorway on a downtown street somewhere it is an act. The contrivance is a cover up, in order to mock the fact finding gathering of this forum. Some low lifes have nothing better to do, and their surreptitious allegiances are very obviously telling. They do not want to help, they want to hinder, capiche!

We know that 'victims' are bottled up in a severely deep web of long term deceit in the confines of the Alamo cult, but until they come to terms withal themselves, no physical extraction is going to win their hearts against it. The pen is mightier than the s-word.

So go ahead on, mr. agitators, keep spewing up more nonsense that we can file in the ignore archives, but know this, that the evidence and factual material relating to the imminent downfall of TA is being heard far and wide from this forum and will thus attract 'legitimate' help and counterfeiters, agitators, and TA supporters that will attempt to confuse, thwart, divide, stymie, and stop this. The wheat and the tares grow up together, and on balance the wheat put the tares in their place, prison.

COUNTERFEITING CHAMELEONS! You're busted!

floridian

08-19-2007, 08:07 PM

Hey anchored that was pretty good about the spelling grammar,I liked it really I did,your ability to humor is pretty good no kidding.do you know how many of the stooges where brothers and for a additional gazil dollars what where the last name of the brothers and the one that was not a brother,but was there from the begining.we come back to our regular program in a moment.

wilma

08-19-2007, 08:27 PM

Why don't we have an ACTIVE MODERATOR that can rid the board of these ignorant distractions????

Can someone please see if they are able to get a MODERATOR to bring some sanity to the board!

Also, I just noticed that tony was successful in bringing down another site that carried his polygamy tract. It was on a blogspot and now it's gone.

tony may feel quite victorious at the moment, BUT JUSTICE WILL PREVAIL! GOD IS STILL ON HIS THRONE.

alanb

08-19-2007, 09:17 PM

I had uploaded the whole tract on to Topix, and it got pulled also. Am still waiting to hear from the moderators there,who I wrote to, since all his literature says feel free to copy and distribute worldwide.
We all know who the moderator is here, and we havent seen or heard from him or his wife for months!. Guess they gave up on the site.

alanb

08-19-2007, 09:26 PM

Actually, cancel part of my last post. Our old moderator is no more. We are under the care of someone new, who has never even introduced himself to us!

raining

08-20-2007, 04:10 AM

Floridian

You need to read my post again! this is part of what I posted:

Posted by floridian on Friday, August 17, 2007 - -:50 am:
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Church services starts in Arkansas at 7 pm,In saugus at 8 pm.

(The above blurb is what you posted)
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Raining's words- (see right here I typed Raining's words - meaning this is what raining is saying )

During the time I (Raining) lived inside the Alamo foudation I (Raining) was so proud to be a christian and part of the Alamo Foundation. I (Raining) would proudly proclaim "Tony & Susan Alamo Foundation" when trying to compel others to attend services! I was convinced this was the house of God. (Now I (Raining) know better- the Lord opened my eyes about that LIAR tony alamo)

Floridian why do you support and defend a child abusing, polygamy practicing, lying, thieving, raping pedophile, and false prophet (profit) like Tony Alamo?

Tony quotes scriptures day and night, and claims to be the "World Pastor", but line his life up with the Bible.

The Bible tells us Satan can quote scriptures.

It is not the quoter of the Word of God or the hearer of the Word of God that shall be justified, but rather the DOER of God's Word.

Even a baby Christian knows it is wrong to LIE!

Tony Alamo continually lies on his radio broadcast. Everyone knows God HATES a LYING TONGUE and God does not dwell with LIARS!

Why do you want to be yoked to darkness?

Not yoked to me (Raining)- You (Floridian) are yoked to tony alamo- guilty by association!

jackrussell

08-20-2007, 07:22 AM

A floridian did not creep in unawares. We got your number pretender. Pseudo sincerity just does not cut it here,

To repeat;

Floridian, You got alamo moss hanging all over you, with the baseball bat scripture use brigade. We are not fooled a bit, anyone that reads proverbs over and over a thousand times can memorize it and misapply meanings to circumstances at whim if they so desire, TA did that for decades.

Thank you very much.

Another thing, your eddie haskell(remember 'leave it to beaver') routine does not even come close to passing the litmus test here.

For those that never got to enjoy that TV sitcom from the 1950's, eddie haskell was the troublemaking ultimate brown noser to the adults, but once their back was turned his true colors of the scoundrel and faker came out. The Cleavers were not the least bit fooled, and neither are we. So, 'thank you very much floridian' and have a very nice and special day!

If we were to really believe, which we don't, that all the mumbo jumbo scripture conglomerational drooling you shimy about was not put on and maybe sorta sincere, albeit highly erroneous, would have to think maybe Barry Smith had a clone. 'Member Barry, early Saugus drummer who wigged out, took a ride 'down the hill' after a couple stints at camarillo mental hospital. He could rattle off tongues, then scriptures, then cursing, and Lord knows what else. He was in the far away look zone. What a piece of work (had to feel sorry for him though)! Are you a piece of work, floridian? Do you need help? No, don't answer that question. But we have it that you are a pretender. So, thank you very much, and have a very nice and special day!

floridian

08-20-2007, 11:19 AM

Thank you jack russel,you sure are useing some big words,I will use some simple words,He came (Jesus Christ),that we,(you me and everyone else in the world),might have life, John 10:10,The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. Reading proverbs everyday,(sometimes I miss a day and it hurts),helps strengthen me,and I am sure that others feel the same way,now only a thief would want to take that away,take away the help that we need in these last days,only a thief would speak lightly of the word of GOD,because the Word of God is so much needed.We all need help,we all need to not forsake the gathering of ourselves together.If I use the scriptures over and over,that might tell you who (as you say), I am brown noseing,It is GOD. I am overwhelmed in joy sometimes with the knowledge that father God gives me,so much that I will brown nose in His (God's) word again today.

jackrussell

08-20-2007, 01:52 PM

"the thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy" sounds like that fits Tony Alamo to a tee, and anyone that follows and enables him. Alamo uses scripture plenty, but with that certain special twist.

Thank you for sharing that with us floridian.

modesto

08-20-2007, 04:16 PM

That kind of grosses me out to hear someone say "brown nose" when referring to God or God's Word.Sort of Blasphemous.

anchored

08-20-2007, 04:34 PM

That occurred to me too, Modesto. It's amazing what lengths some people will go to while they are in the process of trying to make people think they are so full of wisdom and understanding. If you ask me, that really was blasphemous and gross. Maybe it was an excerpt from Tony's "bible."

modesto

08-20-2007, 04:44 PM

G,

LOL,thanks.Couldn't have put it Better.

floridian

08-20-2007, 05:41 PM

IT was a statment from jack russel.and I thank you very much for the reproof,anchored,modesto,sometimes you have to answer a fool according to their folly,lest they be wise in their own conceit.Proverbs 26:5,Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.

modesto

08-20-2007, 05:47 PM

Les,

What a drag!! You are still calling Christian brothers and sisters "fools".I thought we talked about that over in Marcel's page.Oh well.Repent or perish.

floridian

08-20-2007, 05:56 PM

What other page? and I called not one a fool,yet answered a foolish statment,Sorry did not mean to come off wrong,thanks again.

modesto

08-20-2007, 06:00 PM

"It was a statement from Jack russel.......answer a fool according to their folly.." Clear enough?

floridian

08-20-2007, 06:14 PM

O.k.,thank you very much for pointing that out modesto(Jack Russel I am very sorry for impliing that you are a fool,By me making statments like that I only stop the progress of peace,and I am very sorry Jack Russel.)

modesto

08-20-2007, 06:17 PM

Don't even apologize if it isn't sincere.That doubles the damage.

mixter1

08-20-2007, 07:04 PM

Raining,

I like what you said: "I can pray, fast, read Bible, eat,and sleep when I want. I can work at whatever job I want, I can hop in my car and drive where ever I want, I can spend my own money anyway I want, I can talk on the phone whenever I want, I can go on vacation and enjoy The beauty God has created whenever I want".

The spiritual perks in this calling are for me:
1. Upon awakeding my heart gets instant thrown access through the holy spirit(remember how we would contend so hard because we in the wrong place )
2. True understanding of the scripture. To the
full depth.
3. Strength, boldness laughter. Knowing the lord loves me and loving the Lord right back.
4. True fellowship with enlightened people not
those under control of the PERV & PERP.
5. The Lord himself tells me of matters. I don't have to ask tony if this or that was of the lord. And much, much more.
Before I came out of that church I had to face some facts. I was defending TA not serving God. I was guilty by association with the group. That the joint was a bad testimony to people. That passing out gospel tracts with Tonez madness made it all look crazy. And I had to admit that I was in denial. That I could'nt just stay in that place because it was convenient. I had to work 9-5 like everyone else. I knew also, as I have mentioned, when Susan died things would go south.
Tone Style!!!
-Mix

exmember10

08-20-2007, 07:13 PM

I'm glad you mentioned some of the the issues you faced before you finally deciding to come out of that place. I can relate.

anchored

08-20-2007, 07:23 PM

AMEN TO MIX AND RAINING!! There's so much truth in your posts.

I loved that Mix when you said "Upon awakening my heart gets instant throne access through the Holy Spirit."

Yes, I do remember how we would contend so hard when all the while the Lord was right there. He hears the smallest, faintest prayers of our heart.

Although, I guess the Lord wanted us there for a while to go through the fire and learn what NOT to do, namely, NOT to act like or emulate that PERV in any way. We came out the stronger and plus we got to meet a lot of great people in the Lord. Glad they wised up too.

By the way, the reason I can post on and off during the day is that part of my job is using my computer, plus I type pretty fast so I can pop in and out of here and get back to my job in seconds.

(Message edited by anchored on August 20, 2007)

exmember10

08-20-2007, 07:26 PM

Same here with my job. I have to be online all the time for work.

anchored

08-20-2007, 07:30 PM

Yes, it's a blessing to be able to do that. Glad you have that convenience, too, ex-member10.

floridian

08-20-2007, 07:30 PM

No it is very sincere Do you doubt ?

modesto

08-20-2007, 07:35 PM

Floridian,yes I do doubt.

Everyone else, I got the day off,that's why I can post like this.

anchored

08-20-2007, 07:51 PM

I love it J. Glad you are posting. You know, you'd never get a day off you know where, under the cruel taskmaster-LOL There was no such thing. No nights off either. 24/7. Even the Lord rested on the seventh day.

modesto

08-20-2007, 07:56 PM

Yeah G,

We've come a long way!!

exmember10

08-20-2007, 07:56 PM

Modesto, I hope you are enjoying your day off. It's always good to have time to relax and reflect on the week.

modesto

08-20-2007, 08:02 PM

Ty,yes indeed.

floridian

08-20-2007, 08:22 PM

Well modesto if you beleive not then you are listening to the devil,you know that satan is the accuser of the saints,and if you doubt me then you are calling me a liar.I hope that is not the case,for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.You sound as you say tony sounds,"you dont mean it".Maybe you are wrong modesto,And even that you are,I certainly can forget about it,as King David says,Psalm 19:12,Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults.
Shall I say that you are not serious about serving the Lord? I will not say that,I will say that you are,only the Lord knows the heart and sincerity of a person.So modesto,think what you will God knoweth.Enough of me back to the real reason,Souls

modesto

08-20-2007, 08:27 PM

Floridian,

I think that is a good prayer for you to be praying constanly ,"cleanse thou me of my secret faults"

anchored

08-20-2007, 08:40 PM

Anyone remember Vince Borrowdale? He used to crack us up. He was a happy guy and, funny. He would have us ROTFL with laughter. We were in a reading group one time and we were reading Genesis and toward the end of the book where it tells of Jacob taking his journey down to Egypt to see Joseph with all of the children of Israel/Jacob and his twelve sons and all of their chidren and then it names all the sons. It was Vince's turn to read a chapter and he got down to Benjamin and his sons and two of their names were Muppim and Huppim. He just couldn't keep a straight face and kept repeating Muppim and Huppim's names doing that cool hippie thing he would do with his head and neck. He said something like now there's a couple cool names for twin boys. He just had us all in stitches. God really does have a sense of humor. It was nice to have a little levity along our journey. Good thing there were no gnat strainers in the group to turn the whole thing into a negative. I always liked Vince. He wised up a long time before we did and got outta town. Hope he kept the Lord with him. Anyway, I will be praying for him. God is so good. Mac

anchored

08-20-2007, 09:02 PM

J, was my timing right, if you know what I mean?
I wasn't aware of the simultaneous correspondence. LOL.

modesto

08-20-2007, 09:05 PM

G,

Perfect,as a child of God would always be Brother!!

floridian

08-20-2007, 09:06 PM

Amen,

anchored

08-20-2007, 09:08 PM

J, Remember how the Pharisees used to just lay in wait to catch the Lord in some thing. It's a good thing they didn't have computers back then, if you get my drift. LOL

modesto

08-20-2007, 09:16 PM

G,
I guess I'm sort of dumb,what do you mean?Please give me an example.

anchored

08-20-2007, 09:26 PM

Well, let's see how can I go about this and still be somewhat tactful? And, by the way J, you are anything but dumb, Brother. I was trying to be subtle because I just saw some gnat straining and some jumping on you with a whole dissertation of scriptures which were, in my estimation, not applicable to what you said at all. They were more like false accusations. I see it as someone waiting in the wings trying to twist anything that is said into something other than what was intended. Not unlike Pharisees. Sorry if I got a little too cryptic. Just trying to avoid the bicker factor.

anchored

08-20-2007, 09:39 PM

In other words, today's Pharisees have computers they can lay in wait on. LOL

worm_can_opener

08-20-2007, 09:48 PM

yeah, guys, those Pharisees were really something else. If Jesus healed someone, instead of rejoicing over the miracle, right before their eyes, they instead got all shook up over it happening on the SABBATH DAY ! can you imagine ? no wonder Jesus says that;"Except your righteousness shall EXCEED the righteousness of the Scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven" "wearing the righteousness getup" just doesn't cut it.

modesto

08-20-2007, 09:50 PM

G,
Of course,I always got your back,I believe you always got mine,no matter what you do or say,I'm here and I won't leave you or anyone else.

anchored

08-20-2007, 09:56 PM

Thank you Brother J. You can always count on me too. Worm and ex10 that goes for you too and all the other non-PERV supporters. I am my brother's and sister's keeper and rejoice to be.

modesto

08-20-2007, 10:05 PM

Nope,
You don't get to count.

exmember10

08-20-2007, 10:06 PM

Thank you all so much. I know I am new to this discussion group but I truly feel the warm welcome. Thanks again.

anchored

08-20-2007, 10:09 PM

I don't count anyway. Oh, wait! I'm counting backwards now. You will too when you get to be my age. LOL

modesto

08-20-2007, 10:11 PM

Anchored,

PLlease forgive me. When I first glanst at the last post I thought it was "
Floridian", I didn't mean you by any means.Any plroblems you have,. just call me and I'll do aqnything in my power to help youj ,no matter whjat.

anchored

08-20-2007, 10:14 PM

Oh no, I didn't take it that way. I just thought you were being funny and I was being funny back. LOL. Don't worry about it J. It's NBD.

exmember10

08-20-2007, 10:14 PM

you guys lost me on the no count joke.

anchored

08-20-2007, 10:19 PM

It's just a little humor between modesto and me. Well, guess I'll go heat up some left overs. It's been great. Talk to you all later. Lord Bless!

anchored

08-20-2007, 10:26 PM

Yikes Modesto, did I sound like him for a minute? I repent right now. LOL.

worm_can_opener

08-20-2007, 10:29 PM

ex-member,
I want to welcome you to the board, also. sometimes we sort of get going in a rap that others don't understand. we were around one another for many years ( I have known Anchored for 37 yrs. Modesto for around 33 ? lost track. Anchored- don't talk about yourself as if you are just an old foggie, with one foot in the grave, and the other on a banana peel !! if you live as long as some of your family memebers, you still have around 28 glorious years to go !!! W.C.O.

exmember10

08-20-2007, 10:35 PM

wow, that is a long time. I'm not even that in age yet.

heynow

08-20-2007, 11:05 PM

Wow, Barry Smith now that's a blast from the past. I think he married Dave Scheff's cousin.
Vince Borrowdale, The last time I saw Vince was about 1972. He had been out for about a year or so. He came to 13136 Sunday afternoon service. Same old Vince didn't seem like he changed a bit and dressed sharp as always. I remember after services he stood in the parking lot and stared at the Jesus painting on the roof.

anchored

08-20-2007, 11:43 PM

He was probably looking at the painting wondering how there could be such a contrast between Jesus and Tony Alamo, and then when he came to his conclusion, he never came back. Good for you Vince, you made the right decision. if you're out there reading this. I'm praying for you good buddy.

anchored

08-20-2007, 11:50 PM

Worm, I wish I could say that A. Agatha was blood related but she is my mother's twin brother's wife. Hence, no genetic connection in the longevity department. Thanks anyway.

mixter1

08-20-2007, 11:54 PM

Funny we are scattered everywhere and the fellowship is on the NET. Could you have ever
imagined this. Gentlemen?

mixter1

08-20-2007, 11:57 PM

And Ladies

smitty

08-21-2007, 12:07 AM

Vince Borrowdale ! Wow I remember him. Good Brother. It's amazing howthose names ring out when someone mentions them after all these years! Being in the chruch in the early 70's was almost as much of a trip as the older ones had on Cresent Heights!

anchored

08-21-2007, 12:41 AM

Yeah, Vince was a good brother. Very good natured and always ready for a laugh. Very sharp and witty. I really liked being around him. Maybe one of those older ones jumped on his case once too often and reported him to Tony for laughing and being happy, as a lot of people do when they have the joy of the Lord. It beats going around all stern and serious all the time. And I do know that he loved the Lord very much. Also, maybe he just wanted to return to a normal life and serve Jesus elsewhere. Like most of the posters here are enjoying now. Again, isn't it great to be free?

floridian

08-21-2007, 01:03 AM

It is o.k. not to talk it is ok for you to call names it is ok for you to think,But Glory to God that he judges all things.modesto it sounds like you trying to get others to cry out"crucify him crucify him". You see modesto the bible says, Proverbs 15:1,A soft answer turneth away wrath: but grievous words stir up anger. thats about all that comes out of your mouth,anchoreds,and worm opener,and yes I am going to continue to share the gospel,because I remember that the Lord says that I would be hated,well lets use the bible.Matthew 10:22,And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved. Anyone can look back over your speech and see how it really is ,you go back and read your name calling of me,your mockings your falseness to the brotherhood, Psalm 35:16,With hypocritical mockers in feasts, they gnashed upon me with their teeth.
Psalm 37:12,The wicked plotteth against the just, and gnasheth upon him with his teeth.
you know it is o.k. with me if you mock me,and laugh at me,but this is more important than your being in sport,My Father God just might not like it,Matthew 25:40,And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
You see folks,the scriptures of God gives us true examples,here is one of rightous Job calling his wife who beleived in God a foolish talking person,Job 2:10,But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not Job sin with his lips.I have said nothing on this board,other than the simple word of God that one time came out of your mouths,you did not want to hear,you made claims againest me,you have taken counsel againest me,do you not remember,Proverbs 1:32,For the turning away of the simple shall slay them, and the prosperity of fools shall destroy them. You know that on this here board,it is viewed of the scorning,that you have done to me,you have done it in the site of some of the brothers and sisters and more than that you have done it to me in the site of God my Father,and your thoughts and,my thoughts God my Father hath seen,so this I do for the simple who may look on to this your scorning,Proverbs 19:25,Smite a scorner, and the simple will beware: and reprove one that hath understanding, and he will understand knowledge.This is veiwed by any who see,that you have mocked the Holy Ghost,and please,please,please,do not call that which compels me and makes me cry and makes me stay up at night,trying to figure out what is the best I can do or say that will help souls make it into heaven,as I have spoken to you who where once my fellow laborers,you see the testimonies even on this board,I am a son of the living God,I am Baptized in the Holy Ghost and it is the Holy Ghost that has me to accomplish God's perfect will,you see I am endued with power from on High.Power to stand againest percecutions,And it is the Holy Ghost that will keep me to do the merciful will of Father God.

brother_d

08-21-2007, 01:14 AM

Wow! Can anyone else make any sense of what floridian's written? Looks like someone made confetti out of a Bible and posted it here.

anchored

08-21-2007, 01:22 AM

Just pretend he's not there. Well, actually, he's not. There's no one at home in there.

worm_can_opener

08-21-2007, 01:38 AM

after reading that 1 million word rant... I must admit to everyone; I am absolutely speechless, flabbergasted, astounded, perplexed. WHAT is with this guy ?? is he actually toni ??

mixter1

08-21-2007, 01:50 AM

Spiritual pride manifestation. That's how they used to act.

smitty

08-21-2007, 01:57 AM

Mixter: That's about the size of it. The next step after this would be the "Ride down the hill" to Camarillo. (B.T.W. the old State Hospital there is now the campus of Cal State University, Chanel Islands. An improvement? I'm not sure yet.......http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/biggrin.gif

mixter1

08-21-2007, 02:27 AM

Cyber haldol, Thorazine SOMETHING!!!!
HELP!!!!

mixter1

08-21-2007, 03:04 AM

Smitty,

Download Google Earth. It's COOL.

smitty

08-21-2007, 05:07 AM

Already done that. It's a GREAT tool for me for both hobby and business

raining

08-21-2007, 05:34 AM

Hey Smitty
When are you and your wife headed out our way again?

smitty

08-21-2007, 06:39 AM

If you mean FL. I'm afraid not for a while. The only other trip we will be taking this year will be to Vegas in Sept. I'm going to be in Mid Tennesse around late Oct. (around Franklin and Spring Hill)

floridian

08-21-2007, 09:44 AM

Now folks I am not saying that you or I are guilty of all of this,maybe we are of some or maybe none,Yet the word Of God is still our best instruction and reproof. Proverbs 1:22,How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? and the scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge?
23,Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you.
24,Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded;
32,For the turning away of the simple shall slay them, and the prosperity of fools shall destroy them.
Proverbs 11:21,Though hand join in hand, the wicked shall not be unpunished: but the seed of the righteous shall be delivered.
I am a Child of God and so are most of the people in the church,yet you feel that mocking is better than helping,you prove to me and others in the church that if we were feeble minded,(which we are not),that you can not keep a simple commanment like comfort.You see folks,Jesus Christ came to saved that which is lost,God the Father most of the time,had to call Israel back,and a good bit of the time they returned home,thanks to the one and only merciful God. 2 Peter 3:9,The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Reading the Word of God is very Good,reading and applying it is very very much better,Few there be that enter in.

raining

08-21-2007, 02:32 PM

Will you deny that Tony has a child by Sharon (Sion), Lydia (Tabor), and Lizzy (Antoinette)?

You have three choices:
1. Ignore the question
2. Tell the truth
3. LIE

We'll be watching for an answer.

raining

08-21-2007, 02:54 PM

Tony Alamo is a destroyer of souls - read part of what Tami had to say and how she has overcome the evil of Tony Alamo!

Posted on Monday by Tami, January 02, 2006 - 12:02 pm:

Sincere Apologies from Tami

It's time. I'm tired, and forgetful, but those are not good excuses. It is time to make apologies to some very treasured people in my life:
Anyone and everyone who had anything to do with the cult, especially my family members. To all of you whom I wrote nasty letters, said cruel things, ignored, pretended to be better than: I am sorry. Those words were not my words. They may have come from my mouth, but they were not what I intended, not what I dreamed when I dreamed about you. I said them
in fear. Fear of losing God's love, fear of losing his blessing on my life. One day I woke up and I remembered the little house up on the hill that I had envisioned living in. I remembered the field of green and the yellow dress I would wear as I wandered in it, enjoying every flower, every leaf, every place on the horizon where the sky met the earth as it appeared to go on endlessly. I was so far removed from that- in a $350,000 dollar house, up on a hill in Colorado Springs. Every day we woke with a telephone call. Some days Tony Alamo was happy. Some days he was not. We never knew if we were going to be screamed
at, cut off, cussed out, called whores.

I realized that this was not what I wanted. I rebelled. At first, I scribbled hateful notes to him (Tony Alamo) in my notebook, which I then
burned in the sink afterwards. The sisters were suspicious of me. Had I taken up smoking? How could I, though, when I had no access to the store, the world outside our doorstep. "I'm sorry." From the depths of my heart and inmost soul, I am sorry for cutting you out of my life, for telling you all his (Tony Alamo) stupid messages, for repeating his curses over your lives.
I am sorry for editing all the tapes where he used foul language--so he could appear "saintly and holy." I am sorry for telling you that you would never be anything. I'm sorry for believing it myself. I'm sorry for not speaking to you for months at a time. I'm sorry for having anything to do with him at all.
I'm sorry for not telling people what he did to me.
I'm sorry for not reporting that CHILD MOLESTOR to the authorities immediately.

I'm sorry for kissing the enemy, sleeping with him and defending him.

In truth, I had become quite like him. I have since met so many people with little pieces of his depravity. I sense it, I smell it like I smell a smoker coming around the corner. I have never, though, never met anyone as depraved, as scary, as he (Tony Alamo) is.

With all of that, I can honestly say, I am not afraid of him anymore.

I slept with him and lived, didn't I? I managed to escape AIDS, herpes and cervical cancer.

His death-filled breath has ceased to hold sway over my day to day dealings. Now it's time for me to say that I am sorry for everything and anything to do with him that I took part in. If I could go back and change it, I would. I can't.

An acquaintance of mine likes to say "the best revenge is living a good life." That's what I'm doing, right now. I hope that you forgive me. If you do not, I hope you will get even with me by living a good life.

Sincerely,
Tami

raining

08-21-2007, 02:55 PM

Newspaper: The Commercial Appeal
Article: Alamo Found Guilty of Tax Evasion, Jailed
Date: 06/09/1994

"...U.S. Dist. Judge Jon McCalla ordered Alamo held without bond after a government witness testified that Alamo may have committed bigamy and statutory rape in the past 18 months."

The Witness, IRS special agent David Kimbrough, quoting one of Alamo's ex-wives, said Alamo took as many as nine wives, mostly teen and some as young as 15 years old. Kimbrough said some of the teenage wives were forced into the church marriages by threats of being thrown out of the church. At least one woman told agents she was forced to have sex with Alamo.

McCalla said anyone hearing Wednesday's testimony would be concerned due to "the very great control Mr. Alamo has over a great number of people.

Justice Department attorney Christopher Belcher also pointed out that Alamo was a fugitive between mid-1989 and mid-1991, when he was wanted on several criminal charges. He still faces felony child abuse charges in California, where he is accused of ordering the beating of the child of a follower...

Kimbrough said members of Alamo's church told IRS agents that they feared for their own daughters because Alamo recently had begun marrying girls as young as 12, and even suggested that he would marry his own stepdaughter, who is 11...

For the jurors, Alamo's testimony worked against him, she said: “He said we were sitting in the building of the church of Satan," in reference to his theory of a one-world church...

Among the 40 witnesses called by the government were former followers and three of Alamo's ex-wives who detailed his extravagant spending for himself and his wives.

An Arkansas banker testified that Alamo alone controlled more than 20 bank accounts in the name of various businesses under the Music Square Church.

Alamo took the witness stand himself to deny that he had any income in the years in question. He said that as the pastor, he was supported by the church, and that everything he did was to further his ministry.

He expounded on his theory of a conspiracy by the "Lucifer-worshipping" forces of the Vatican, IRS, FBI, Mafia and the new media, which he said was trying to create a "one-world" church/government to rule the world.

He invoked the Fifth Amendment 10 times when Belcher asked him whether he had multiple wives...

exmember10

08-21-2007, 04:04 PM

I remember Tami. How could I forget, she was the only one that sent me a welcome letter and a beautiful picture of her daughter. She was very friendly to me, even thou I was posted in NY and so far away from her. I don’t think she even knew what I looked like. She was just a pure hearted individual.

Shortly after moving in I was told she was kicked out of the church. I couldn't understand why. All I remember hearing from Tony was that she stated "this has got to Stop”

Sue S made me throw out the little girl’s picture. (Actually she came to my room and removed it) I would love to hear from her again. I think her daughter and my little girl are the same age.

mixter1

08-21-2007, 05:56 PM

Raining,
Thanks for the information. I do delight in shredding the perv's nonsense. The creep has got the same lame flat world concepts and same flat out lies. Until he becomes a flat-line on an EEG and goes to collect his eternal reward.Where he can scream with his flat voice and expound his conspiracy lies. With his profound wisdom which is as sharp as flat cement. After his sure demise he can torment people all he wants. Until it dawns on him that he isn't Jesus Christ and he ISN'T in the right eternity. No judge, me but rain -Yes he murders souls! Yes I did enable him by working in the fields. Susan's eminent death hit me in the gut; which told my instincts to bale out of there before it got CRAZY. I was subtle in what I told others there about what I knew but they left left eventually. I can honestly and with certainty say that those in Christ that departed will be tripled in the lord. I am so glade for the grace of my God and his son Jesus Christ. instead of under a: TWISTED,DEMENTED, ANGRY, CONTROL FREAK,PERVERT, CHILD MOLESTER, dictator: A runner up for anti-Christ.

Thanks for your postings again rain.
And for being on this site. And for not giving up, don't ever. God bless.

-Mix

floridian

08-22-2007, 01:25 AM

Praise the Lord Jesus Christ,1 Corinthians 4:5,Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God. Luke 8:17,For nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad.
Brothers and sisters,there is nothing more assuring and comforting,Than knowing God says,and it is so.Please believe in the word of God at the least as much as me,and you will abound in Joy.There hast to be forgiveness,from both sides,The victim must foregive the culprit,and the false acussed must forgive the acusser,and that does not mean that God will not still issue His form of punishment,it means that you can go on from that point knowing that you truely deep inside and in the eyes of God,forgave this created being of God.Follow this commanment,Ephesians 4:26,Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
We as true christians keep His (God's)Word for the benefit of others,that God will keep his Word for us,and our benefit.

modesto

08-23-2007, 12:21 AM

Everyone sins,even the saints,if you think you don't you are evil!!!Admit you sin so that you can be saved.

jackrussell

08-23-2007, 07:40 AM

Can a certain 'peninsular handle' post some without using a boondaggle of scriptures. It's great that you want to demonstrate your prowess of interpretations thereof, but please spare us, you are preaching to the choir here, and the highways and biways await your burgeoning knowledge.

But, please, take it easy on all out there, would not want it that they all head for the highest tree, scrambling to get away from thee.

Ex members pretty much have broad shoulders, and few worse words can be aired against us as an encore to the likes of the years of those sustained by Alamo. But we are survivors, and and have come out on the other side, over and above the worst of it(see testimonies of Nikki, Tami,Jodi,BecaSue,others). And it is good! So now so many harsh words spoken against such survivors, whether annexed by out of context scripture or not, just slides off like water on a ducks back. Part of the refiners' process I gather. 'What did not kill us, has made us stronger,' Niche. And course I forgive you floridian, past, present and future. Like others, just want you to get real. Lose some of the scripture applications, and try telling us where you are at in your own words. Quit being a pretender. Ok?

anchored

08-23-2007, 03:17 PM

G, good post.
I'm sure we are all praying. With God, all things are possible. God can give deliverance to people with mental illness and spiritual pride. God can break up the most parched dried hardened heart and water it with the Word, and break up the fallowed ground and water it with the seeds of truth. God can remove the blinders off the blinded eyes so they can see clearly.

After reading the testimonies of Jodi, Tammi, Nikki, BeccaSue, Cindy Jo, Katrina, etc., how can anyone defend that child abusing raping pedophile, tony alamo, and still say that they are following the Lord?
Pray for the blinded eyes to be opened and the hardened hearts to be softened to receive the truth.

heynow

08-23-2007, 11:24 PM

Excellent post Anchored:

"I'm sure we are all praying. With God, all things are possible. God can give deliverance to people with mental illness and spiritual pride. God can break up the most parched dried hardened heart and water it with the Word, and break up the fallowed ground and water it with the seeds of truth. God can remove the blinders off the blinded eyes so they can see clearly."

You really explained the love and longsuffering of Jesus that all things are possible for anyone even Tony Alamo.

wilma

08-23-2007, 11:43 PM

Heynow,
I wouldn't hold my breath on tony alamo repenting.

Have you ever tuned in to any of his psychotic radio programs where he is justifying having sex with adolescent (and younger) girls???

Have you heard tony rant on his radio show, proclaiming how God is going to KILL anyone that is speaking out (the truth) against tony?

Have you heard him tell one delusional lie after another saying he only has one wife? (many of us are WITNESSES to the contrary) Ever heard him say he would never condone the beating of children?

If anyone is a REPROBATE and turned over to believe a lie IT IS TONY ALAMO.

my 2 cents....susie g

heynow

08-23-2007, 11:50 PM

Wilma, That's a lot different from Anchored's post concerning the love of Jesus.

wilma

08-24-2007, 12:18 AM

Heynow,
I think you have it all wrong.

You said to anchored, "You really explained the love and longsuffering of Jesus that all things are possible for anyone even Tony Alamo."

I don't believe anchored was referring to tony alamo when he posted the above. I think he was referring to "floridian" being deceived and that he is praying for the blinders to be removed from him so that he will quit defending tony....then you come in and say "all things are possible for anyone even tony alamo"

You seem to have a "thing" about wishing for mercy for tony.

I think we should be more concerned about the little nine year old girls he is raping and damaging physically and emotionally for the rest of their lives.

I think we should be more concerned about the long term effects of ALL the families he has broken up and destroyed.

I think we should be more concerned with seeing LEGAL JUSTICE being done to tony alamo. All his victims should proclaim the truth of what happened to them to the proper law enforcement officials so that he can be incarcerated and unable to further harm innocent children.

my 2 cents, susie g

worm_can_opener

08-24-2007, 12:27 AM

Right on, Wilma !!
it's not as if toni is this wonderful, loving, thoughtful, dedicated pastor, full of love and concern for his congregation, and all the lost souls all over this world, and we need to pray for him, because of an illness or injury, etc. it's nothing like that. He has used the people of God, to his own benefit, unmercifully raped their children, stolen from hurricane victims, stolen from US, and made HIMSELF a multi-millionaire with those pricey jackets (the jackets we worked on with so little sleep, it was absurd) sent us to live and work in Bakersfield,like the field-hands in "Gone with the wind", so he and Susan could have lots of big homes, jewelry and limos, he has taken over 25 children, and beaten them BLOODY, because he's overtaken with BLOOD-LUST, he's a polygamist, scaring little girls and teenagers into marrying him by LYING, and saying "thus saith the Lord" when the Lord NEVER EVER SAID IT !!!! he's talked "filthy talk" to 7 and 8 year olds, saying "don't tell your parents, they wouldn't understand" (just the line EVERY PERVERT gives to his victims, because he doesn't want to be CAUGHT !!!) he's thrown multitudes of souls, called the people of God terrible, degrading NAMES, pitted people against one another, and is without a doubt a REPROBATE. I'm sure not holding my breath, either, for any true repentance. In my opinion, we may as well pray for the devil to be released from hell, and to get saved. Claudia

anchored

08-24-2007, 12:35 AM

Well, let me just set the record straight here, heynow. I'm sorry if that's what you read into my post heynow. I wasn't talking about a reprobate like Tony Alamo who has crossed over the line with his blasphemous actions and his atrocities and abominations against God and his people. I was referring to people who need spiritual, mental, emotional and physical healing which is a whole different ballpark. It's obvious which part of my post you lapped up. It's like you completely ignored the second paragraph. I thought I was very clear about differentiating between people who just merely have a spiritual problem or mental illness, have had emotional damage inflicted on them or have a physical illness and was not referring to someone like Tony Alamo who is an outright rebellious reprobate scumbag rat. So please consider yourself having had the record set straight on that and I am in total agreement with what wilma said.

anchored

08-24-2007, 12:36 AM

Thank you Wilma, that's exactly what I was doing.

heynow

08-24-2007, 01:13 AM

Anchored, I am sure you meant what you said when you mentioned with God all things are possible. I agree with that. Of course you explained that no one is excluded from the love and mercy of Jesus when you wrote:

"God can break up the most parched dried hardened heart and water it with the Word, and break up the fallowed ground and water it with the seeds of truth"

As I mentioned before this is excellent word for today. It really illustrates every single living soul on earth is important and worthy of the mercy and love of Jesus. You are right on target Anchored.

(Message edited by Heynow on August 23, 2007)

floridian

08-24-2007, 01:32 AM

Joel 2:32,And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.
Acts 2:21,And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Romans 10:13,13For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Matthew 19:25,When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?
Matthew 19:26,But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

anchored

08-24-2007, 01:52 AM

Heynow, you can keep on twisting what I said until your http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/sad.gif in the face and to your heart's content. I have already explained in detail what I said I was talking about. But you go right ahead and keep putting your SPIN on it all you want. It won't change a thing. You're so obvious about your allegiance to Tony Alamo and you have demonstrated clearly that your concern is mercy for Tony and not the victims of his relentless torture. He showed no mercy on them when he was raping and beating them and spiritually, physically mentally and emotionally torturing and scarring Jody, Tammy, Nikki, Katrina, Cindy Jo, and many more.

Yes, God can break up the most parched dried hardened heart. Although, first you've gotta have a heart. Tony Alamo has shown that he doesn't have one, nor does he have a concscience, it's been seared with an hot iron. Tony Alamo has forsaken the right way, and has gone the way of Baalam. That's the way it is with reprobates and them who have been turned over to believe a lie.

bystander

08-24-2007, 02:21 AM

Heynow,

Our God is compassionate, gracious, loving, kind, patient, longsuffering and slow to anger. His mercies are new every morning. But He reserves His tender mercies for those who fear Him. He forgives their iniquities and rewards their obedience. He is steadfast in keeping His covenant with man. However, when King Saul rebelled against the Lord, God rejected him as king and even asked Samuel, "How long will you mourn for Saul, seeing I have rejected him as king?"

I would ask you the same question..."How long will you mourn for Tony Alamo?"

Because of His matchless grace and His passionate desire that none perish, God is so longsuffering. He gives us ample time to repent and turn from our sins. But individuals who persistently spurn God's grace sooner or later find themselves the objects of His wrath.

I am not nor do I want to be Tony Alamo's judge. But this I know...he has become so full of himself and so venomous toward others there is no way he is walking in the will of God. To proclaim himself "world pastor" and yet live in open rebellion against the laws of God is difficult to ignore.

He has hurt many of God's little ones and you know what the word says about that. I have listened to many of his radio broadcasts and I must tell you...only bitter water comes from his spring.

anchored

08-24-2007, 02:28 AM

And, heynow, I am not judging Tony Alamo. The Word of God has already judged him. There are a multitude of witnesses.

worm_can_opener

08-24-2007, 02:42 AM

"For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment , suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace ? For we know him that hath said, VENGEANCE BELONGETH UNTO ME, I WILL RECOMPENSE, saith the LORD. And again, THE LORD SHALL JUDGE HIS PEOPLE, It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. Heb.10: 26-31.

floridian

08-24-2007, 03:24 AM

People who ask me to not talk to them or with them the Word of God,People who have called me names here on this board,and mocked me and the scriptures I quote,and doubt my sincerity,mocked me and said I was not saved,and try to convince me that I am a lunatic,called me a lunatic on this board,said that no one is home,and you say that you are a christian,ya know something? you that have done those things and feel that your thoughts are the exclusive one here in God's stead, The bible warns you now to be careful with your words and your wisdom,here it is the Word of God,Proverbs 26:12,Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? there is more hope of a fool than of him.
Proverbs 29:20,Seest thou a man that is hasty in his words? there is more hope of a fool than of him.
I pray that you will take 5 minutes of prayer before you type.Please do that,o.k.?

heynow

08-24-2007, 04:14 AM

Can Opener, I agree with your scripture quote.
"THE LORD SHALL JUDGE HIS PEOPLE". No one else has that right. Only God can speak the final judgement of any soul.

Floridian, I think it's great you are quoting scripture. I also noticed you don't say much about tony a. It dosen't appear you are supporting or attacking him. Tell us some stuff about Florida.

Anchored, I still agree with you about salvaging souls. That is really the first concern of a true Christian.

jackrussell

08-24-2007, 06:16 AM

Good one Mac, about Tony. If he only had a heart, or if he only had a brain. Sounds like combination tinman/strawman in the wizard of oz.
And problem is, in the spiritual world losing heart means having pride. Without a h(ear)t, there is no ear to hear, and every egotistical and vain imagination takes the place of rightness and hearing. I can't imagine how TA has heard anything from God in decades, if he ever really did. His actions speak so much louder than words, although his words are pretty despicable too.

And for any that think so many of us are just standing aroung chatting, think again. The word gets out, it is mightier than the sword, and it sets out action beginning in e-motion, followed by motivation, finally a trial by loco-motion (many angry,righteously indignant men, women, and God). TA will fall into his own pit, that he has dug, but let patience have its perfect work. Keep the faith.

The testimonies keep resounding of how wrong Alamo has been, so sit back in confidence that his day will surely come.
That he must give account
of all his rebellion and lies,
giving closure to all his victims' cries.

2 cents

anchored

08-24-2007, 12:34 PM

Amen G
I think you have come up with a very good analogy. And even in that story plot (although a fairy tale) the two characters, the tin man and the scarecrow, wanted to have a heart and a brain so they could feel and think to have concern and compassion for others. I would choose those kind of people any day over Tony Alamo, who is more like the COWARDLY lion who had to bully people and push them around and lord over them to try and prove his prowess, because deep inside, he was a mowess (mouse).

anchored

08-24-2007, 12:50 PM

By the way, the cowardly lion was even scared of his own shadow and was always running and hiding.

worm_can_opener

08-24-2007, 02:06 PM

"WITH MEN THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE; BUT WITH GOD ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE" let's please not distort the word of God. God does not contradict himself. people who ask the Lord for healing, can be healed of AIDS, leukemia, colon cancer, ebola, smallpox, and EVERY ILLNESS in existence !! the Lord can mend people who have suffered traumatic injuries, take them out of a 5 year coma, I have a confirmed testimony in writing, of a Christian man, who walked right out of the World Trade Center rubble, without a scratch !! numerous people have lived, being struck by lightning. With God, these kind of things were, and are possible. However, God is not mocked, whatever a man sows...HE REAPS. No amount of prayer will deliver someone who has already gone to hell, God has already spoken in his word " and beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence" with God all things are possible, but the word of God will never be altered or broken. Anything we pray for, in faith believing, within the will of God, asked in the name of Jesus, shall be done...IF that request is in God's plan, however, when God has already written it, it is written, sealed, and eternal ! When the Lord turns someone over to a reprobate mind, that's no minor thing, for sure, he has utterly rejected that person, because they HATED the WORD OF GOD, and trampled the precious blood of Jesus, which once washed their sins away.
(Reprobate- to condemn as unworthy or evil, doomed to damnation, thoroughly disreputable and morally abandoned)- Websters."and even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient. Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness, full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, despiteful,proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them" BY THE TIME GOD HIMSELF TURNS A PERSON OVER TO A REPROBATE MIND... HE'S HAD ENOUGH OF THAT PERSON !!

anchored

08-24-2007, 02:43 PM

AMEN to all you said, Can Opener!!! How refreshing for a change to see scriptures that accurately apply!! Every time I read those scriptures from Romans Chapter One, I see the World Pedophile personified. Keep opening those cans of worms ACC.

worm_can_opener

08-24-2007, 03:26 PM

Anchored,
it's such a shame when we see the scriptures used as a weapon against others. Here the Lord wrote them for our edification, for reproof, correction, to make us wise, for admonishment, as a blueprint on how we should live. When they are twisted up, and used only to appear "holier than thou", or to try and make God look as if he loves sin, and winks at abominations...that's making his word LIES, because he never meant them as such. now that's scary. We have seen all forms of evil done, in the name of God. people have used the word to gain riches, win arguments, hide behind, gain popularity through, even win elections with. When the word is used correctly...it gives LIFE !!

jackrussell

08-24-2007, 03:55 PM

That scripture is so appropo, Woc. The rich man who fared sumptuously, presumptuously, and so pompously. Trappings of the world.

The 'untouchables' lying in sore poverty where the die is cast, because their freedom, happiness and prosperity is disabled by the inordinate hoarding of these things away from them by the rich, who mockingly look on with callous indifference, emboldened in their own egotistical fanfare. And of course the rich fan the flames of this captivity with their continuing charges.

The Alamo front is decidedly a microcosm of the rich 'n poor imbalance so wrong with the world at large. But the natural progression of the way of the Lord will engineer the flippity flop where there will be a big trade of places.

Woe unto the rich(indifferent and unkind). Their riches are motheaten and cankered, only they don't really know it yet. They have unduly taken from the poor, but the cries of the poor have entered into the ears of the Lord of Sabaoth, and their misappropriated riches will eat their flesh as it were fire. So it would be, he who cries last, cries best!

And for any that think that TA does not read or have knowledge of the truth in these posts, you lack faith. True words are carried on the wings of a dove, the bird of paradise infiltrates the soul, where there is a soul to find, but otherwise nevermind, the certain foreboding of a fiery future comes to mind.

Tony Alamo accentuated the focus on scriptures of wrath, then guided his followers to the heresy of straining the gnat, and swallowing the camel, that succeeded in enriching himself. Alamo constantly reminded all of their slightest imperfections, to keep all on that precipice of the abyss by straining the gnat. The camel we had swallowed was him, the man of sin. Amazing how that happened, that such tables could get so turned, but it is said that even the very elect can be deceived if possible, that possibility being if you listen to the wrong thing, and it turns out that Tony and Sue were the WRONG THING! Not the two candlesticks, not a world pastor, just a big nothing, two bit con.

raining

08-24-2007, 05:13 PM

God and His Word will judge where one spends eternity. However, He did leave His word as a roadmap into the kingdom of Heaven for us to follow.

His Word teaches us the difference between right and wrong. God doesn't need us to read His Word for Him, He knows what the Bible says, HE WROTE IT!.. We as followers of Christ are suppose to use His word to help us FLEE from the VERY appearance of EVIL!

Since the Garden of Eden Satan, (the Angel of Light, who really is a liar) has tried to make wrong appear that it is right and Godly!

Tony Alamo, who pretends he is "World Pastor" is nothing more than a wolf in sheep clothing, an angel of light, a hypocrite, a whited sepulcher, a lying, child abusing, polygamy practicing, child raping pedophil, who uses God's Word as a tool to fulfill his perverted lusts.

exmember10

08-24-2007, 05:24 PM

I am so blessed to have found this Forum.

floridian

08-25-2007, 12:50 AM

Ezekiel 33:11,Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
The nazies hated my great grand relatives,and used the same kind of speech as some of you are useing to close the door on the oven,yes same sounds,and there where some of the jews guilty,but a bunch of self rightous people proclaiming to save the world from us,Got the non guilty jews killed also, God has no pleasure in the death of the wicked,and they where not wicked until they knew it was a sin, alot of people here on this board where not wicked until they knew better, myself included,I am Glad for my sake and your sake that God did not kill me or you when we where wicked. Go ahead pic up your stones and see who gets killed!

smitty

08-25-2007, 06:22 AM

Dude: Get over yourself. Nobody here hates you. We DO want to keep a spotlight on Tony.

bintheredunthat

08-25-2007, 07:34 AM

So now people who expose Tony are like the Nazi's who murdered the Jews. Is that what you are saying floridian?

anchored

08-25-2007, 12:47 PM

Novice - lifted up - fall - condemnaton - devil. Ring a bell?

anchored

08-25-2007, 02:05 PM

That's hardly a comparison to what's going on here on this board, floridian.

There would've been no Nazis to begin with if people had exposed and reported the evils of Hitler when they first saw his wicked plans beginning to materialize. His book, Mein Kampf (Hitler's diabolic plan spelled out) had been in circulation all over Europe for quite some time and had been perused by the masses, but not taken seriously. No one believed he would/could actually carry out such a devious and diabolic plan. If they had taken it seriously and reported what they saw starting to materialize right before their eyes, millions of Jews' precious lives would've been spared.

So you're a just a tad turned around in your thinking here, floridian. Failing, neglecting or being complacent in reporting evil is "picking up stones." Actually, more like hydrogen bombs.

floridian

08-25-2007, 02:18 PM

No,that is not what I am saying,What I am saying is that your words go out for alot to hear,and because of the devil trying to give reasons to unsaved people,to think that all christian are the same,so kill them all is there thought.The bible says that the world is waitng,even groaning for the Sons of God,Jesus CChrist says ,Matthew 10:16,Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
We know that it is gonna happen,we also know that,the most important ,at least it is suppose to be the most important,is the Souls of humans,and how our war is waged,is to be very harmless to the soul of man.How many times have you heard,"you christians are all the same"? you are Jewish,right?,spiritaully speaking,than you are suppose to be part of the mix of God's apothecary,Ecclesiastes 10:1,Dead flies cause the ointment of the apothecary to send forth a stinking savour: so doth a little folly him that is in reputation for wisdom and honour.
You may know who the dead flies are,don't become one trying to get the others out. Exodus 30:35,And thou shalt make it a perfume, a confection after the art of the apothecary, tempered together, pure and holy:
I to want to be around True christian,that not only want to help themselves,but more importantly others.When we would reprove,or rebuke one another,we most of the time would do it not in front of the unsaved,or the unlearned,I say that we should remember who we are,and that there is alot of eyes and ears on us,and that we,(you,me,all true christians)are the ones who the devil is trying to shut up and kill,and/or magnify the bad smell in the apothecary.

worm_can_opener

08-25-2007, 02:19 PM

I am so thankful to God for Factnet !! where all the FACTS are presented, by so many witnesses. Isn't it astounding that toni alamo is still free, to molest, to rape, to scare more innocent young girls into joining his harem ?? he's just got to be the dirtiest of dirty old perverts !! and he's orchestrated so many, many beatings of children, till they were bloody !!! the justice system has failed us, folks !!! but let's remember God, sitting on his throne right now, HATING ABOMINATIONS AND WICKEDNESS !! God will get toni, one way or another...he doesn't need MAN to rid the world of this monster.

anchored

08-25-2007, 03:04 PM

Jesus called people names and labeled them according to their folly. It's called "calling a spade a spade." The enemy of our soul is very crafty and even tried to turn God's Words around (twisting, spinning) and use them on God/Jesus, himself.
As far as people coming on here to read our "words." People actually appreciate and are comforted when they see Christians standing up and taking a stand against evil, whatever form it shows its ugly face. Sometimes that involves exposing false prophets, people who were once saved and are now the enemy of the gospel of Jesus Christ. False "brethren" who have crept in. Corrupt people who have gone the way of Baalam and are calling themselves "world pastors".

Why aren't you exposing and reporting the abominable atrocities of this pervert Tony Alamo, who uses, or rather misuses and twists, God's Word to satisfy his own filthy perverted lusts? Could it perhaps be because you are aligned with him???

worm_can_opener

08-25-2007, 03:36 PM

Hey, Anchored,
Guten Tag !! yes, you are absolutely RIGHT ! when Jesus saw the HYPOCRISY of the scribes and pharisees, swishing around the temple in their long robes of righteousness- he was VEXED !!!!! and he didn't mince any words with those DEVILS, either- he saw right through the phony acts, and REBUKED THEM !!"O generation of VIPERS, (love it!) how can ye, being EVIL, speak good things ??for out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaketh". Jesus also called them FOOLS, BLIND GUIDES, RAVENING WOLVES, HYPOCRITES, WHITED SEPULCHRES. doesn't sound to me like Jesus "beat around the bush", does it to any of you ?? "you GO, JESUS !!!!!!"

bintheredunthat

08-25-2007, 08:00 PM

OK so you are saying that we should help cover up for Tony because it makes all christians look bad and will cause souls to be stumbled. I agree that many sinners will use Tony's example as an excuse to sin but what about the raped girls don't their souls matter to you. Don't you think that by covering up for Tony you will be casting a stumbling block before them?
God has never hidden the truth about his servents in the bible. He tells us of the ones who failed as well as the ones who succeeded. I guess you probably think that it would have been better for Matthew, and the others not to have told of Judas's betrayal after all it makes all Christians look bad. And what is a betrayal anyway? just another fly in the ointment just like rape, and child molestation are nothing more than flies in the ointment. Is that how you would describe the betrayal of Christ floridian. Should we stop telling of Judas's betrayal. Because its just another fly in the ointment. Jesus said if you have done it to one of the least of these you have done it to me. Just so there is no misunderstanding what that means is that when Tony yakes those little girls and violates them against their will he is violating Jesus. Is that something that you consider just another fly. Should we sweep the rape and molestation of Jesus under the carpet because it was done by a professing believer.
Personally, I'll do it God's way and I'll support others who do it God's way. Which is to always tell and never hide the truth. And which is to reprove and rebuke with the authority of God's word.

Jesus said, I am the truth. Anything less is not Jesus. Hiding or covering up the truth because you don't like it is hiding and covering up Jesus. There is more to winning souls than quoting scriptures floridian. As I said in an earlier post the Bible tells us to openly rebuke those that sin. It doesn't say that we are to sweep it under the rug. People like you and Tony do far more damage than good.

bintheredunthat

08-25-2007, 08:15 PM

"You may know who the dead flies are,don't become one trying to get the others out. Exodus 30:35,And thou shalt make it a perfume, a confection after the art of the apothecary, tempered together, pure and holy:" - floridian

A little leaven leveneth the whole lump or did you forget that. You have to get the dead flies out before the confection can be pure and holy or don't you believe that.

Many of us here do far more than pull flies out as you call it. We expose Tony here because this is a forum for exposing Tony. We do many other things with our local churches and other local ministries to preach the gospel and see souls saved and properly brought up as disciples of Christ. But sisnce this forum is about TA and since people who come here want info about TA we tell the truth about him as we know God wants us to always tell the truth and never lie. You accuse us of being judgmental but it is you who are judging us by assuming that this is the only thing we do for the Lord.

floridian

08-25-2007, 10:45 PM

Jesus Christ told of judas's betrayal but there was not a whole book or chapter written on it,you see God has no pleasure in the death of the wicked.Maybe these sisters who have had this terrible thing happen to them would like to put it out of their mind,and the brothers who where hurt in it also,yet if they do want to relive it all they have to do is come to this board.I know of some christian who came to this board hopeing to fellowship,your pathetic attacks came right on them.you do not even hear God for the bitterness you have in you,and when sripitures are quoted to you for hope that it will comfort you,you yourselves twist it around,to start another one of your properganda smears,I know that on this board here you mention Tony alot a real lot more than Jesus and more Than God,and more than the Holy Ghost. What you do off of this board only you and God knows,and I hope that you are pleaseing God,and winning Souls.Do you think that tony is still doing all of this stuff you say,then call the police. So it seems that you think that know one else sees this board? I know that alanb has and I know that his thought about God is he does not exist.I know that others who have seen this board and said that they did not want to read all that goes on the board,you know laughing at someone,calling them names,mocking argueing,doubting someones honesty. When you as christians have the same talking tone of someone you says talks evil,the same judgement applies to you,or me. I am not judgeing you,your actions and speech does that. when you try to be sure that God carries out his vengaence,what you are saying is God is not able to handle it corretly according to your thoughts,God says,Isaiah 55:8,For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. Isaiah 55:9,For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. Isaiah 59:18,According to their deeds, accordingly he will repay, fury to his adversaries, recompence to his enemies; to the islands he will repay recompence.
Romans 12:19,Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord. Is the work that you are doing helping the smell or are you contributing to the smell.The Bible,The Word of God gives the answer,The word of God gives Life,Show us all your examples that you have in the bible to handel it the way you are.I am not above reproof,rebuke,and you know that to show it means that you show it in the spirit of God,for the letter kills but the spirit gives life.

bintheredunthat

08-26-2007, 02:15 AM

Ok so all rapists, and child molesters should go free and we'll just let God take care of them. Or is it only the rapists who quote Bible scriptures that should go free. I guess it's the same for all prisons then we should just empty them out and let God take vengeance. You are certifiably crazy floridian.

The police have been notified of Tony's crimes. They have been unable to act because there are so many people like you who believe it is wrong to punish any bible spouting criminal no matter how serious the crime. For every one who testifies against Tony he has a half a dozen like you who will lie for him in court and smear the victim. Just think floridian you will probably have a reward in eternity for every rape you helped TA to commit.

You are a sick piece of garbage. I hope I never meet you in person.

wilma

08-26-2007, 03:14 AM

Floridian/Les W,
Your reasoning is completely skewed from too many years of listening to toni alamo twist and wrest the scriptures.

Finally you do acknowledge that these innocent girls have had terrrible things happen to them at the hands of tony alamo...and you say maybe they would like to put it out of their mind. They would rather that it never happened, but since it did I can tell you for a FACT that they would like to see justice done and they would like for tony alamo to go to prison for the terrible crimes he has perpetrated against them and that he continues to this day raping and molesting little girls that are not even teenagers yet! You seem to have no concern for those he is still raping and beating.

No one is attacking you! Get over yourself. We disagree with you and are stating it. You have come on here of your own free will and you can leave just as easily if you chose to. You state that you want to fellowship and comfort us, all the while spouting and twisting scriptures to defend tony alamo and revictimize those who he has terrorized.
my 2 cents, Susie G

until_the_redemption

08-26-2007, 04:32 AM

Wilma: AKA Susie Grew
Posted on Sunday, August 19, 2007 - 3:27 pm

Also, I just noticed that tony was successful in bringing down another site that carried his polygamy tract. It was on a blogspot and now it's gone.

tony may feel quite victorious at the moment, BUT JUSTICE WILL PREVAIL! GOD IS STILL ON HIS THRONE.

-------
Justice will be done but the Polygamy tract comes directly out of the Bible.

Until the Redemption

bintheredunthat

08-26-2007, 05:39 AM

"the Polygamy tract comes directly out of the Bible."

That's the claim to fame of every cult leader. It means nothing. The tract is full of heresy and lies just like the rest of TAs garbage. Quoting scriptures doesn't mean the message in it is from the Bible.

You should change your name to until the damnation. Because that's what you'll get for defending TA.

phahrrrt_detector

08-26-2007, 10:34 AM

Toni/Shmoni/Lyen/Lahmo
iz uh polygamist
& we ahl knowz iht !

hez ahlso uh lyer 2 !

mattur o fahkt he lyz
ahl da time

lahk hiz daddy da devul
he caint tehl da thruth

he & hiz followerz
waffl bahk & forth
ohn wut evr dey tawk ohn
dey hav no cred-uh-bil-ity
ner care-ak-tur knee-thur

der mishun pyur & sim-pul
iz 2 d-stroy godliness
ny-way dey kan

buht Christ put an end 2 dem aht Calvary !!!!
Phahrrrt detecter

phahrrrt_detector

08-26-2007, 10:50 AM

U heerz da plan
uv sal-vay-shun
n u trulee git saved
> ahl glo-ree 2 God
& ah meenz own-ly Him
noht nobuddy elz ! <
& derz no kwes-chun
bowt iht
u r o so-o-o happy !!!

buht ahf-tur uh-while
u fite wut u thinkz
iz da devul bringin accoz
> Big – Hyooj – Mistayk ! <
bowt da suhttl
uhn-skript-yoo-ul
gowinz-ohn u ceez
hap-nin rownd dat joint

maynly cuz ahf-tur ahl
u hav bin reedin & prayin
& lurnin Godz Word
now dat yoov cuhm
2 know Him
az yer personal Savior
so u caint hep wit-nes-n
da n-cun-sis-ten-ceez
dat trublz u off & ohn
dat b torkin yer hart & soul
az u tryz wif ahl yer mite
2 keep uh sing-gull i

til wun way
er da udder
> 4 shur by Godz grace witch iht 100% aint !!!
lessin uv corse
u byz n2 Shmoniz con
dat servin da whore-knee toad
wif ahl yer hart mine & sole
iz servin god <

buht dat aint
da end uv yer battlz
no sir-ree
noht by uh long shot
cuz win u fy-nully du leev
u leev wif lotz
& lotz uv hevvy bahg-ij
noht da kind u cary
n yer handz
buht da kind u cary
n yer hed
> sheesh ! wut uh mess ! <

now u reele getz
2 fite da devul
cuz heer he cuhmz
Johnny-ohn-da-spoht
tehlin u
u iz lost e-turn-uhlee
dat u dun kwit
jez b4 da viktury
> now hooz viktury
mite dat b ? hmmm <

nywayz iht wuz
no smahl viktury
gittin owt uv dat roos
so cownt iht ahl joy
cuz derz uh playse
uv strinth & shell-tur
> factnet <
whar u r ay-bul
2 git yer hed & hart str8
looz ahl dat ber-den-sum bahg-ij
n meat uhp wif udderz
hoo bin uh-byoozd &
caryin cuhm-ber-sum bahg-ij 2

datz uh big blessin
4 da faze datz shur 2 follow

nex n line 4 u 2 b
re-lint-less-ly scrappin wif
iz toadeez dis-onnur gard
> til-da-adempshun
b-n wun uv Shmoniz
mayn bo-zaynz
n dat gut-les gard <
no-tore-ee-us
4 bringin shif-ty &
d-seat-ful uh-tackz
ohn ahl doze xspozin Shmoni
n by uhn-rite-chusly d-fin-den
ahl da weezil akz cuh-mited
by dat reh-ched whore-knee toad
etc etc etc

Psalm 144:1
Blessed be the LORD
my strength which teacheth
my hands to war, and
my fingers to fight:

selah!

now last buht noht leest
u gotz 2 dodj
ahl da frenly fi-er > NOT <
cuh-min frum da lykz
uv da c-vere-ly mis-guy-ded*

dey needz 2 b uh-shaymd
uh b-n so e-silly yoozd
by da n-i-mee
2 wayj ahl deez foolish
side line skur-mishz
der focus iz jez plum jackd
dat meenz dey r d-c-vd
& dey r runnin full speed uh-hed
n da rong di-rek-shun !

Kwor-tur-bahkin 4 da n-i-mee
dont score dem no pointz
4 da Lord or Hiz teem

way 2 meny penulty flagz 2 cownt
Phahrrrt detecter

* b4 u git bint
tayk uh deep breth
now lissen uhp
ifn da shoo dont fit
dont 4ss yer foot ihn iht !
& ifn iht du
well DUH dis iz 2 u !

floridian

08-26-2007, 12:59 PM

Les who,anyways? No,Whatsoever a man soweth that shall he also reap,no one goes with out some form of punishment from God,God in his perfect way shall deal out his punishment,I can confess for myself that I know that there has been punishments that I have received for falling back into sin,I got drunk a couple of times in 1985,got caught up in smoking pot again in 1989 and the worst things about that is the testimony that I did not carry,the souls that I may have stumble,I walk very cautiously,I want to prove to God how thankful I am for His Mercy,And for God's own personal reason it is being acomplished,you bring these accusations wilma,show me and show us all where you see these statments that you and dunthat claim that I have stated,for or againest Tony,you can't,And I do hope very much to meet you in person cause then we will see which side that we are on.now look how you have this _detector,mocking sin. Lies you you accuse me of lieing? show me where I lie at,and while you are looking for that,remember that satin is the accuser of the saints,not that I am worthy to be called a saint,That is a name that God likes to call his people,Bitterness,is the outcome of anger resting.I pray now that God will help you to find that perfect place that He wants you at to do His will.I pray that God will give you all a sound mind and a financil blessings. heal all the sick Dear God of physical,spiritaul and mental problems,and me also father God for some say that I am crazy,Help us all Dear God to do that which is pleasing in Your site,for the Joy that You have is our strenght,In the Name of Your Son Jesus Christ we pray,Amen. Isaiah 26:3,Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: because he trusteth in thee.

phahrrrt_detector

08-26-2007, 04:37 PM

loo-na-tik > mint-uh-ly n-furm <
perhapz

2 much sum-thin hath mayd thee mad

2 u: shu fly
Phahrrrt detecter

worm_can_opener

08-26-2007, 04:37 PM

Phahrrt detector,
Where have you been ?? like your latest spelling...whore knee toad !! that was a prize !! sure have missed your style of humor-keep it up !! Can Opener

mixter1

08-26-2007, 04:52 PM

Phahrrt detector,

I agree with W.C.O. We need hunor I missed also.

floridian

08-26-2007, 06:20 PM

Proverbs 22:15,Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him.

no_stoppin_me

08-26-2007, 06:35 PM

Floridian was probably one of the ones that held the kids up by their limbs to be beaten at the command of Phony Alamo.

floridian

08-26-2007, 07:17 PM

No floridian is not.and I hope that that does not make you mad.Is grevious words all you know nostoppin,as you say tony acts so do you why is that?alot of folks here on this board say that tony is always talking down to people,thats what I hear most of the time from people on this board,I do not get this persicuted from people in the world,yes some of the folks on this board might be the ones out to kill me in the last days,that is strange.Actually it is not strange,for the bible says that it might be my own familar friend,if I die that way.The bible says to live,well here,Romans 12:18,If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.

no_stoppin_me

08-26-2007, 07:37 PM

I'm sorry you feel the truth is "grevious". And do not put me in the same category as Phony, please.

Lest we forget.....

Tony Alamo is a polygamist.
Tony Alamo is a liar.
Tony Alamo is a rapist.
Tony Alamo is a pedophile.
Tony Alamo is a thief.
Tony Alamo is a child beater & abuser.

floridian

08-26-2007, 08:38 PM

What you are No_stoppin_me is a wounded soilder,a soilder that wants to be fighting againest the things of satin,fighting for the Salvation of all humans,and that is a extreme high calling,please don't strike at everyone,for some might be in the same battle,,you are not backed into a conner,you have ample room to plan the attack,there might be a Rahab about,be careful,

no_stoppin_me

08-26-2007, 09:04 PM

I think you are the "wounded soldier", Floridian. When did I "strike" at everyone". Please be specific.

floridian

08-26-2007, 09:31 PM

I did not say that you did strike at everyone,I said please don't strike at everyone,thats saying that you strike at some,don't do it to everyone.here is a strike at me in the same question you asked,"I think you are the "wounded soldier", when I said to you "wounded soilder",that was actually a compliment. Moses angrily smote the Rock twice.If I do not control my anger,it controls me and how I respond to another.Souls are extremly important to God,here is a example of how important it is to God how we deal with each soul on the face of this earth, John 3:16,For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Matthew 26:42,He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.

worm_can_opener

08-26-2007, 09:38 PM

what was THAT all about, in post # 97 ?? was that directed to pharttt-detector's sense of humor ?? what's wrong with it, taking the things toni alamo does, and putting it in his own funny words ? is he worthy of being held up in the air, by 4 men, and beaten with a 2x4, because he makes fun of the perv ?? and because he makes us chuckle ?? what's going on here ?!such a JOYLESS PERSON must be a minion of the perv's (toe-knee doesn't believe in CHEERFULNESS, FUN, JOY, FREEDOM, HAPPINESS, GLEE, LAUGHING, any of those things, because he always has been an angry, dull, boring, humdrum, unlikable, accusing, unpleasant, hateful, impenetrable, rigid, & cruel REPROBATE)

floridian

08-26-2007, 10:20 PM

Nothing is funny about a soul,the victom or the victomizer..What is funny is when I played guitar in saugus and you where standing around Claudia with Tracy Francowitz I believe and Sonny brubach said that it sounded like I was playing some Jimmy Hendrix licks on the guitar during services.The adventures I had with you and the other brothers and sisters was joy unspeakable and full of glory.

alanb

08-26-2007, 10:26 PM

" I know that alanb has and I know that his thought about God is he does not exist."

LES, and yes, you ARE LES WOOD and you ARE A LIAR!. Does your G-d condone lying. You know nothing about me. I never told you I didn't believe in G-d. I am Jewish, and do not believe in "Jesus as G-d",. I guess to you that means I don't believe in G-d. Too bad. You are an arrogant idiot, and a very poor representation of Christianity, for you are not Christ like in any way, shape of form.
ATTENTION EVERYONE: - This reprobate, LES WOOD, while Bill was in the hospital recovering from a stroke, kept calling Bill's phone and insisted on talking to him, even though Bill had told me (before the stroke) that he NEVER WANTED TO TALK TO THIS MAN AGAIN. But this PUTZ , showed not one lick of compassion and kept calling and argueing with me, and insisted in talking to Bill and insisted on trying to save me.
I though the bible taught compassion. How DARE, when someone is sick, you keep pestering that person while they are trying to recover. That is not a charitable thing to do. I feel sorry for anyone you minister to, because you are no different than Tony!

Please, if you are the WONDERFUL CHRISTIAN you proclaim to be, leave my and Bill's name out of your tiresome rants. There is a whole world out there for you to go after.

PS. Drop our e-mail off your list also, because you are just wasting your time. We have NO desire to read YOUR tracts, and they are just deleted.

beccasue1975

08-26-2007, 11:04 PM

Les,

You don't know me, or maybe you do. I am Rebecca, Bill Levy's daughter.

I used to spend a lot of time on FactNet... but rarely come on here anymore.

I wanted to take a minute to help you out, my brother. You see in the Bible, the Holy Spirit, spoke through Hosea the prophet and said, "My people are destroyed for lack of knowlege". I can see, by reading your posts that you truly have a heart that desires to please the Lord... It is painfully obvious to me that you get on here and want to help unveil blind eyes and unstop deaf ears. The thing is, Les, your discerner may not be functioning at it's peak potential. Is it possible that perhaps you do not recognize the body of Christ? Perhaps you have been looking at the body of Tony Alamo's followers that you no longer recognize followers of Jesus for they truly are not one in the same. That, my brother, is a dangerous thing. The Bible says in I corinthians 11:29 "For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself,not discerning the Lord's body. 30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. 31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged." The very people you are so concerned about being unsaved and ungodly are the bery ones who are members (in particular) of Christ's body. Oh you think you know things about them... you think they are living sinful lifestyles, but you have no idea.

I want to tell you something that you don't know about my father, Bill Levy. He walks with God. He has an intimate relationship with Him. Be very careful when judging him, for I tell you this truly, Bill Levy is a man called by God. Be careful to recognize the Lord's body or better yet, don't be quick to judge who you think is a member of the body and who is not.

You don't need to call my dad to pray him through before he dies.... and you don't need to call Alan. Every one of us has to decide for ourselves... we are all faced with the Truth and it is up to us, as individuals, to accept it or reject it. If Alan chooses to deny Jesus as the Messiah then Alan will have to stand before God and give an answer. Be sure of this, Alan will not go into eternity without an oportunity to accept Jesus as the risen Messiah. Regardless if anyone accepts Jesus as the Messiah or not, every human being will come face to face with the man from Nazareth and look him in his Jewish eyes... one day everyone will know what you and I already know. Jesus IS the risen Messiah.

Back to my father....... I have watched over the last 8 months, God do a mighty, awesome, miraculous work in my father. I have seen miraculous recovery, when (medically) there should have been none... I have seen him, recently, stand in the sanctuary of worshippers and worship the most high God, unabashedly... and I have seen him receive his Savior. The word receive means to conceive again... or to ceive again.... Bill Levy is not far from God, Les. In fact, the Lord loves my dad. He loves him with a love you may, unfortunately, never understand. Don't try to understand... don't try to judge by what other people say... don't base what you know of my father on ANY ONE's perception. Just keep your eyes fixed on Jesus... when you do that, the cares of this world... the cares of FactNet... the cares of what Tony did or did not do will become faint and dim in the light of who Jesus is, in all His glory.

Rebecca

floridian

08-26-2007, 11:25 PM

Les wood,liar,what are you talking about? I have told no lies,and I am very Glad that you believe that there is God,names why are you calling me such filthy names,Les wood knows what happened and I know that he told others what happened,He told others about you and bill and asked for people to pray for you and bill, les wood also said exactly what you are saying that about a half hour after Bill left that message on his phone saying how he never wanted to talk to him again,ever,is when bill sufferd that very bad stroke,that nearly killed him,and you posted here on this board that the stroke mainly effected his speech that he could not talk.I know for a fact that Les wood was advise by some brothers to just let bill be in the shape that he was in and that if he wanted not to have the fellowship,just let him and you go,and I also know that,another brother told him,to pray and then try to contact bill,Les wood also told one of the brothers that you posted on the board that bill was going home that day,and that was the only day that he tried to contact bill,he told that you answered and then hung up.I am more inclined to beleive les woods than someone who uses such filthy words. You are saying to everyone on this board that you beleive in God?

jackrussell

08-26-2007, 11:53 PM

Proverbs 22:15,Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him.

I certainly won't claim to be a bible scholar, cause there is so much I don't understand. But reading the bible definitely inspired me to take a course in linguistics/the dissection of words in english to further understanding and meaning.

To say that proverb means to expressly beat the tar out of an evil bounded heart with a physical 'rod' or instrument of 'correction' is a real failure of words (and the Word), and what to say.

The right word(s)/rod will do the trick, like that spoken in due season as apples of gold in pictures of silver. Jesus got things done merely by his words, and he showed that he only had to touch, and with spittle because of our unbelief.

He beat the moneychangers out of the temple, for an example, and He did not beat them bloody with 120 board of education blows. At the same time, when the soldiers came for Him in the garden, they all fell backward, without any laying a hand on them, Jesus just said, "I am He."

The 'right words' (rod) will drive the foolishness bound in the heart of a child and drive it far away. Jesus is 'The Word' and 'The Rod.' Welcome to the New Testament. It was paid for by the death at Calvary. By as so many are not acquainted with that Word, and its power, feel that they must resort to carnal violence to tame and contain the lion. It's the way of the world. We are all guilty of having a loss for the right the words sometimes, but then no one around here is claiming to be the 'World Pastor.'

As a practical example, ever notice how some adults find the right words (command of the language) to stop the unruliness of their children without ever laying a hand on them, and others so out of tune, are so often at a loss for words, and 'feel' that they must resort to corporal punishment as an only alternative. So the fault lies where?

Another example is the team (sports or other), (professional or novice) that has equal talent with the others. One is coached and managed positively, with uplifting feedback always emphasizing the strengths and successes, with arguments and bickerings capped before they even get started. The other is coached with degrading negativities (oppression), constantly pointing out failures, allowing, enabling and even feeding division and lack of cohesion. Now which team do you think will come out on top?

To put all this in the Alamo perspective, the 'letter' killeth. The letter is the opposite of the truth. The corporal works manifesto that Alamo so erroneously created and fostered his organization into, is the perfect recipe for a team of losers. And to add insult to injury, the man himself turned into a complete rogue.

my 2 cents

jackrussell

08-27-2007, 12:27 AM

But we former downcast 'losers' became ex members, and cut our losses, to go on to the victory of the BIG WIN, bestowed upon us by whom we are called.

floridian

08-27-2007, 01:03 AM

Do not think that I am weakining JackRussell,but this(But we former downcast 'losers' became ex members, and cut our losses, to go on to the victory of the BIG WIN, bestowed upon us by whom we are called),is quite fitting for us in the church and us out of the church.Not that my thanks will mean alot,but I thank you JackRussell for the words that truely came from your Heart...

bintheredunthat

08-27-2007, 04:26 AM

Here's floridian logic. If you call him a wounded soldier you are striking at him but if he calls you a wounded soldier it is a compliment. That's why no can get anywhere with him. He's Kookoo.

jackrussell

08-27-2007, 06:01 AM

Floridian, thanks I guess. Really would like to get one straight with you though if you don't mind. You know the battle lines are drawn, and everyone has their idiosyncrasies, and so forth and to expound on other posters' perceived misgivings is taxing, and after awhile beside the main point. I will make this short, one question, probably already redundant, but here goes. Do you believe the atrocities and horror that Tony Alamo has perpetrated on the innocents for years/decades as stated here and are you with those that cry against that? Floridian, a simple yes or no answer will do, no explanation needed, Thank you.

anchored

08-27-2007, 01:19 PM

Floridian -
I am not believing my eyes as to what you actually said about suggesting the people on this board being capable of your statement above (in post #98).

You said: "I do not get this persicuted from people in the world,yes some of the folks on this board might be the ones out to kill me in the last days,that is strange."

Yeah, I will agree with you there floridian, That is pretty strange. That you could construe that about the posters here. Talk about EXTREME.

You know you come on here and pretty much leave yourself open, or, set yourself up, if you will, with some of the bizarre statements/accusations you make against the posters here and then when they address your folly, you say they might be the ones out to kill you??? Think about it Les or floridian, or whoever you are. That is borderline psycho.

I don't think the problem is with us, floridian. I think you are pretty touchy when it comes to criticism. I think you need help.