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modesto

08-08-2007, 07:57 PM

Worm,

WHEW!! That's a toughy but I'll try.

Let me see,somebody who is a liar and is not able to tell the truth tells you "I am lying" (Captain Kirk used that line to destroy the "Veeger" on an old Star Trek episode).If he/she is lying then the truth is being told but that can't be because the person is not capable of telling the truth,but to lie about lying is actually telling the truth which would disqualify the answer which.......OY!!!!

Ok,wait,here's one I got from that old Jim Henson,Frank Oz movie with Jennifer Connelly and David Bowie. You're trapped with only two doors going out.One door leads to freedom the other to certain death.Each door is guarded by one man.All you know about the men is that one is a liar and isn't capable of telling the truth and the other is a truth teller and is not capable of lying.You don't know which is which and you may ask either of them only one question which will,if asked to either of them give you the correct door to freedom.What is the question?(Please imagine my voice sounding really loud with perhaps some thunder in the back ground).ANSWER THAT QUESTION AND YOU WILL HAVE REACHED....A headache maybe but I thought that might be entertaining,no harm in lighteneng up every once in awhile.Oh well,I guess I just don't know Worm,sorry.

Modesto

anchored

08-09-2007, 01:38 AM

Tony Alamo would be a perfect contestant for the game show "To Tell The Truth."

It's the only game show where it's ok to lie.

C'mon Tone, we're waiting for you to click. You know this is YOUR thread.

worm_can_opener

08-09-2007, 02:06 AM

nobody hold your breath for the day that toni-lion lamo starts telling the truth (the day the devil will be making everyone hot-fudge sundaes !!)

alanb

08-09-2007, 03:39 PM

Anyone notice that Floridian's post above is #2. Has anyone seen a #1.
I checked the IP and it is coming out of Jacksonville, FL.

anchored

08-09-2007, 04:22 PM

I was just going to say, they probably either deleted their first post or previously posted on another forum.

floridian

08-10-2007, 12:05 AM

You folks know that alanb is a atheist right,you should be witnessing to him,he does not believe there is a living God,or any Jesus Christ,please pray that he gets right with God before it is too late,it does not matter to me what you say about me,and you do alot,leave me alone awhile and witness to alanb.I know that he has been to arkansas,and maybe he is not as evil as some say that I am,so do the God right thing and pray for him,and stop flattering him,because flattery worketh ruin,and stop answering like him or well you know.

heynow

08-10-2007, 12:56 AM

Alan, It seems floridian has made a strong accusation. Is this true? Are you an athiest?

no_stoppin_me

08-10-2007, 04:24 AM

Who cares what everyone's "religion" or lack of "religion" is. I didn't see that this forum was named AlanB World Pastor, did any of you?

I could care less if Tony got on here and said he worshiped Mickey Mouse. As long as he is still a lying, polygamist, pervert and calls himself "World Pastor", I will continue to warn others about him.

anchored

08-10-2007, 12:49 PM

Right on NSM. All we needed is one more person with an agenda to try and get the focus off the subject and then another person trying to provoke by playing the devil's advocate. They need to take their campaign to another forum because it doesn't belong here.

Once again, thanks for putting the focus back on target.

alanb

08-10-2007, 04:56 PM

I agree NSM and Anchored.
But I have to say one thing Floridian, whoever you are, I have been In fouke, and am there regularly, and watching every move you make, so beware........
This was a very feeble attempt to start slandering someone, when NO ONE was even attacking you at all. But your own words are a give away:

"it does not matter to me what you say about me,and you do alot,leave me alone awhile "

and

"some say that I am".

Were we talking about you? I didn't think so, but you're right. We are talking about you and your evil minions. You gave yourself away!. Obviously you were home schooled in the As*lammo church, and don't know how to think before you speak.
Now to return to the topic at hand........

floridian

08-10-2007, 05:29 PM

I am not changing any subject and I am by no means slandering you,this is not a slander but a call to the servants of God who care for souls,to be more concerned for all the lost and dying weather in the church or out side of the church. Say what you want about me alanb,and you people let it be known that this person here need's Jesus Christ,so keep talkin but be sure that you are fitting time in for the lost and dying,and if you really are concerned help alanb to believe that there is a God.ok you can talk about me all you want,but you will be in the same hell that you think that I am going to if you do not care enough for alanb to witness to him,and no stoppin me YOU HAD BETTER CARE OR YOU WILL BE IN HELL,He that winneth Souls is wise.

worm_can_opener

08-10-2007, 05:39 PM

yes, Alan, topic at hand...toe-knee ugh-lame-ohhh. he's always wanted attention so desperately, now he has LOTS of attention. still insanely jealous of the pope,toe-knee ??, but you still are no WORLD PASTOR, no matter how many people you try to fool !!, with all the expose's you have done against your own self, you are, in actuality, "the world bozo"!!!! never have wasted the time to check out your "ranting reprobate radio show", though. ( after all those years of having to listen to your many rants and lies, all your contempt for all those many politicians, your vatican conspiracy theories, and all the general twisting of scriptures, justifying of polygamy, hearing you THROW FITS, screaming, growling, yelling, and carrying on like the madman you are- NOPE !! no "triple R" show for me ! p.s. never did read several of your self-justifying, self vindicating "tracts", either !!!! that isn't anyone's idea of GOSPEL LITERATURE- it's all about YOU, the self-absorbed preaching pedophile !!! always has been, from the get go.

wilma

08-10-2007, 05:41 PM

Floridian,
Why don't you tell us who you are and tell us what your association with the alamo church is.

Are you currently a member? Did you used to be a member? If out, do you still affiliate with the alamo group? If out, do you still hold to the doctrines you were taught there?
Just curious.

raining

08-10-2007, 06:06 PM

floridian

This forum is about Tony Alamo, the self appointed world pastor, who uses the Gospel as a tool to force young girls to submit themselves to him. This wolf in sheep clothing (Tony Alamo) proclaims to these young girls that "God is telling him if you don't become his (TA's) wife then you will die and end up in hell for disobeying God". Many have surrendered their bodies to this raping monster believing that they were doing the will of God.

This thread isn't about you or Alan. There is no need to attack you or no need for you to attack anyone who posts on this site.

If you are burdened for Alan's soul then you should Call Alan and tell him about the Lord. Tony Alamo posted their telephone numbers.

The witnessing I will be doing on this site is like the witnessing that Samuel did when exposing Saul and his evils.

I will continue to expose Tony Alamo for the wolf he really is. The liar he really is, the polygamist he really is, the child abuser he really is, the adulterer he really is,the abuser of the saints he really is,the thrower of souls that he really is, and the false prophet he really is. . . .

Sue B

mixter1

08-10-2007, 06:09 PM

Floridian,

As always it's about you; but how about the needs
of your congrregation. Like their welfare. Get your 4 lawyers working on a sensible Will. A new paster needs to be appointed which goes without saying. I remember Rob Sweat and am not certain
if he is there now. He seemed to have the wisdom
and good mind. He was no shame to the body of
christ. Characteristic of a pastor not a nero or
a nimrod. Not a spinmaster. Right(You), Not some one who's PROPHESY GOES: "Havent you been listening to ME! You decided to accept the mark of the beast in your heart. God will turn you into a homo. Your old and won't make out there. You'll never be anybody, making up every type of garbage about anyone that leaves,etc, etc, ad nauseum"
-Mix

floridian

08-10-2007, 06:36 PM

It is really to bad sue b that you feel that the only mission you have in life is to attack or fight back againest me,yes I will pray for alanb and try to convince him and thank you sue b for telling every one on this board that you are too busy to help in the talk with alanb and by the way Samuel did not continualy stay on saul's case,and now you have a reading assignment,all of you. You mixter1 my reply was not about me but about alanb,alan refuses to hear me,maybe he will hear you give it a try,atleast Claudia admits to the topic needing to be Addressed,she is the oldest sister in the Lord on this board that I can tell,and knows that it needs to be handeled.

raining

08-10-2007, 06:43 PM

The sinner went into the temple and prayed, lifting up his voice and asked the Lord to have mercy on him a sinner.

The other man prayed with himself in the temple, "God, I thank thee I'm not like you people, and this man. I read, I pray, I pass out millions of tracts, I feed the hungry, I speak and people are healed, I pray and it rains, I pray and it stops raining.. . "
Tony Alamo is always talking about how great I was, How great I am, How great I shall be.
How great I art! I I I I I I. In the Bible who did Jesus say went down to his house justified? The sinner!

Tony said on his radio broadcasts - "I SPEAK AND PEOPLE ARE HEALED" Toni - did Jesus having anything to do with the healing?

raining

08-10-2007, 06:59 PM

Floridian-

You posted "It is really to bad sue b that you feel that the only mission you have in life is to attack or fight back againest me"

I don't know you!

Posting on this site is a very small part of my daily walk with the Lord.

I thank God I am not like that self appointed, false profit Tony Alamo, the egomaniac who believes "How great I art"

As long as Tony Alamo keeps lying about the child abuse and his polygamist lifestyle - then I will keep exposing him for the liar he is.

worm_can_opener

08-10-2007, 07:00 PM

FLORIDIAN-
THE TOPIC NEEDING TO BE ADDRESSED IS THE INFAMOUS TONI ALAMO (rapist,molester of little girls, polygamist, liar, thief, drunkard, child-beater and abuser, verbal abuser, kicker of 4 year olds, one who smashes teenage "wives" into walls, ugly, fat, decrepit, great-grandfather age pedophile, preying on young females. NOT ALAN !!!!!!!!! Claudia

worm_can_opener

08-10-2007, 07:03 PM

AND HYPOCRITICAL FALSE PROFIT !!! to boot

alanb

08-10-2007, 07:48 PM

Everyone read floridians post again. Specifically this line:

"it does not matter to me what you say about me,and you do alot,leave me alone awhile "

This statement alone says that this is THE WEASEL himself. After all, he is who we talk about here, and he says "we do a lot of talking about him" and to leave him alone for a while. Of course, this is not him physically posting, but someone in Jacksonville, Fl, or surrounding area, posting for him. But I think this is an actual plea from HIM!
It must be, right?
I mean, we were not talking about Floridian at all. All I mentioned was an Ip address, and that I couldn't find post #1. Thats all.
Floridian did a "test". Smitty replied:
"O.K. Floridian, your test worked. What's up?".
I just thought it wierd that a "test" would be post #2, so I validated that it was coming from Florida, and questioned where post #1 was.
Tony, just because I have more friends in Fouke than you do, you shouldn't be so jealous, and play it off about being concerned about my soul. You're not and you know you're not. You should worry about your own soul, although I doubt, at this point, that it could possibly be saved. In fact, I'm sure of it.
I know where I'm going, and I'm damn proud of it.In fact, I hear trumpets as we speak.
All you can possibly hear is the ROAR of ETERNAL DAMNATION AND HELLFIRE!

PS - I'm PROUD to be JEWISH, and that will NEVER change.

mixter1

08-10-2007, 08:37 PM

Say AlanB,
I want to apologize for TA. Yeah he's behind someone who is reading and typing. Yes he's been waving a white he's been waving the white flag in hopes he will quit. He needs to meet conditions in terms with his congregation. He treats them like dirt and for them we are angry.
Science cannot explain the experience we had with God and Christ. It was and is so abundant but I guess not enough for everyone(In evidence TA). Both TA&SA really tried to make it in Hollywood but did not. Both knew what it was like to have deeply failed. Tony poor and inadequate finds Christ and becomes self-willed to the point of insanity. Susan was different to some degree; But TA SPUN THIS BIG YARN in regards to HIMSELF and even his testimony.
Again, sorry the man's psycho but maybe he will have done a second favor before death.
-Mix

alanb

08-10-2007, 09:20 PM

Mixter1,

You don't need to apologize for that @#*^%@&^#^#$%@^. TA and SUE BOTH were self appointed SCAM ARTISTS. Money and Power corrupts and unfortuately you were all duped. What religious experience you all had came from within yourselves. You should not give them ANY credit for it, other than bringing you together as a group.
That he is psychotic is quite evident, but I think that a part of him still laughs himself to sleep every night knowing how he "put one over" on ya'll. Just my 2 cents.
Nothing he says about me bothers me in the least. In fact, I find it all very amusing.I know I am a thorn in his side, and he knows it too, and he hates me for it. It's alright. I am certainly NOT looking for his love. Let him keep on with his ramblings. He's come after me on Topix, and saw how I took care of that, so now he's starting here.
At least my typing skills are vastly improving, and for THAT and THAT ALONE, Tony, I Thank you.
Now, back to the topic at hand..............

floridian

08-10-2007, 09:39 PM

I say to you alanb that God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son (JESUS CHRIST)that whosoever believeth should not perish but have everlasting life,Please alanb know that I ask you now to make peace with God before it is too late,hate me and attack me all you want,but please make peace with G0D. I know that you are jewish and I know that you do not believe in GOD. Hate me o.k.,do you believe in GOD,I hope so and most people on this board hopes so also,Do you believe in God? your friends on this board and you say (I am not one 0.k.),are waiting for a answer.I am sorry that some say they do not care,but most people here do hope so

(Message edited by floridian on August 10, 2007)

alanb

08-10-2007, 10:02 PM

Why are you asking me if I believe in G-d. You already told me, and everyone else that I am an athiest. How you come about this knowledge is beyond me. You don't know anything about me ,really, nor do you need to. Although, I thought you knew EVERYTHING. You can raise the dead, make it rain, bring on drought. You're just a friggin superman. So you just keep wondering and hiding out in your house, or take a ride on your carousel.
Again, this site is about you, not me and I promise everyone, that this WILL be my last response to the reprobate.
Again, back to the real topic.............

wilma

08-10-2007, 10:17 PM

mixter1

08-10-2007, 11:14 PM

floridian(Tony)whatever,

Did you do alot of acid as a teenager?

-Mix

mixter1

08-10-2007, 11:33 PM

Hi Wilma,

I should not speculate but I think floridian is someone with multiple personality complex who thinks he is TA!!!
OR HE REALLY IS TA!!!
but at any rate he's not going to blow
his true identity.

Like I said it's all about you, huh TA?

-Mix

wilma

08-10-2007, 11:54 PM

Mix,
I really don't think "floridian" is TA or anyone around him. I think it's another defector who still is held by the deception that he was held captive by in the Foundation.
Some people come out of there and start using their thinking skills again and are set FREE.
Whereas other people use the skills they learned in the Foundation (suppressing rational thought and suppressing critical thinking skills) and retain the insanity they were accustomed to in the alamo group for years. I think floridian is one of those people.
Maybe time will tell.

Either way, we're not on here to devote attention to "floridian". Most of us are here to further justice and truth and freedom for innocent little girls who are being preyed upon by tony alamo, who disgustingly claims to be a Christian. He is the furthest thing from being a Christian.

When will justice be done???? MANY people have been reporting these abuses to the Ark State Police and the FBI for many years now. When tony was convicted for IRS violations tons of evidence was turned over to the proper legal authorities then and they chose not to prosecute even though they knew he was guilty of these things.

It is such a travesty that tony alamo has not been prosecuted for these crimes against children!!!

SG

mixter1

08-11-2007, 12:13 AM

Wilma,

I hear he has 4 lawyers. The nightmare team!
Once the other charges were dropped in favor
of Tax Violation, legally double jeopardy kicks
in(No retrial for the same thing).
The only thing we can do is hope and do our best
against this creep. Visiting a hospital on behalf of christ would really take my mind of this.
There was so much junk in my mind from Alamo
I did not think about recovery; But what gets
to me is how they blamed us. There are people I never really knew. But this I will say: Now that I know the truth I can feel Gods
love. I am so glad.

-Mix

floridian

08-11-2007, 01:24 AM

You know friends I never said I was or was not tony,nor did I say anything unscriptual,nor did I say anything about the life style in the church,and Claudia why would I want to bait you I sincerly have very fond clean thoughts of our many years together in the service of the Lord,(as co-workers)you see no where in my speech of me justifying or condeming my self or yourselves,no that is no where to be found,I never really said anything other than to watch yourselves and that even if you think Susan went bad,I tell you of a truth that Susan cared more for you than you think and when I tell you that she really cared for you freinds,you began your assault on me. This I do know that you can make it into heaven even out there in the world if your not of the world and to be seperate and Holy,and that means to hate even your garmets that might get stained from the world and that happens when you lose your focus,am I really the only one here concerned about alanb? Co-workers or freinds or anything that you would concider me,should not take you away from your first Love. I can not say that you would still be alive or dead if you where not in the church all those years or in Heaven or hell,and I am sure that neither could either one of you,Yet what I can say is that you still have that free moral choice to go to Heaven or hell so please choose heaven and you know that that requires a cross to carry and please remember that alanb will not talk to me so right now its is said and if anyone feels like it or a needs to remember,, MY LORD AND MY GOD,HAVE MERCY ON MY SOUL A SINNER,I BELIEVE THAT JESUS CHRIST IS THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD. I BELIEVE THAT HE DIED ON THE CROSS AND SHED BLOOD FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF ALL MY SINS. I BELIEVE THAT GOD RAISED JESUS FROM THE DEAD BY THE POWER OF THE HOLY GHOST. I OPEN UP THE DOOR OF MY HEART AND I INVITE YOU INTO MY HEART LORD JESUS. WASH ALL MY SINS AWAY IN THE PRECIOUS BLOOD THAT YOU SHED FOR ME. YOU WILL NOT TURN ME AWAY LORD JESUS;YOU WILL SAVE MY SOUL.I KNOW BECAUSE YOU WORD THE BIBLE SAYS SO. YOUR WORD SAYS THAT YOU WILL TURN NO ONE AWAY AND THAT INCLUDES ME. THEREFORE I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE HEARD ME,AND I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE ANSWERED ME,AND I KNOW THAT I AM SAVED,AND I THANK YOU LORD JESUS CHRIST FOR SAVING MY SOUL..

wilma

08-11-2007, 01:27 AM

Just to clarify, I meant no offense against those people who take longer than others to shake the Foundation mentality. All our circumstances are unique. Some people get out of there and just have to dive into supporting themselves and just don't have time to unpack all the untruths. The strongholds of deception are so powerful and it takes a particular set of circumstances for each one of us to grasp the grace of God and to let go of the heresies that bound us.

I stayed there for 25 years as a true believer. I think that is proof that ANYONE can be delivered from the lies and go on to live a happy, fulfilled life. I still think and pray that there may be hope for people like the Decker's, Merryanne and Barney and some of the others...I hope so.
SusieG

wilma

08-11-2007, 01:32 AM

Floridian,
Are you Les Wood? please be honest.

worm_can_opener

08-11-2007, 02:21 AM

Floridian-
won't you please let all of us know your identity ?? there should be nothing to hide, amen ?? can you at least tell us if you're male or female. this sort of takes me back in time to the t.v. show; "what's my line ?" if one of us should guess correctly-will you tell ? Claudia

mixter1

08-11-2007, 02:54 AM

Wilma,Claudia,

What's my line? lol. Is this drama or what?
Remember the saying 'Spiritual Pride'? There was really no definitive for it.
I recall those people who were said to have had it. They were taken to a psychiatric ward and that was it.
It is not schizophrenia but it is detachment.
In fact it was a social detachment; A person all of a sudden can't be relevant or make sense.
It is not someone who thinks they are God either.
It was a head twister to figure out.
It's peculiar and unique for sure and not
something you see everyday.
What are your thoughts on the subject?
Subject open.

-Mix

floridian

08-11-2007, 02:55 AM

I do not know who you think I am but you are the one with foundation on your mine.I talk about leading souls to the Lord and you tell people to shake it off and if this les woods wants to preach Jesus Christ and him crucified and leads souls to the Lord why would you want to stop him?You sue groux need to stop thinking that every christian who wants to lead souls to the Lord has a problem,we at the church or at least most of us want to see souls get saved what is your thoughts that you learned at that deprograming you went to,I am very sorry that you feel that you had a hard time but just get over it and get back to being that good strong witness you used to be.I met someone the other day and they told me of their zeal to be used to get Souls saved and I could see the truth in them.they have never ever been to our church or heard of it.they needed not to shake anything off.Sue Groux you have no need to shake off any fundementals that you learned at our chruch the only need you have is to get back into being a strong witness like you used to be,you are a christian right and do you think that you are one of the elected then act like it,and be happy ,for if you are busy flowing out with that fresh water that was or is in you,you will be watered yourself. Sue groux it is ok for you to be thoughtful and concerned and if this less woods wants to be thoughtful and concerned why would you want to stopped him.Sue groux you done more years than 25,how about I think 35 years cause you are still a christian right? Sure you are.

worm_can_opener

08-11-2007, 03:17 AM

"DONE more years?? ?? that's what they refer to prison time as. are you admitting that being in the perv org. is likened to doing your time in prison ?? I'm having to rest up from THAT ONE !
can opener

no_stoppin_me

08-11-2007, 03:56 AM

Who cares who Floridian is. He/she is loving all this attention.

Again, another distraction from the real reason for this website. To warn others that:

Tony Alamo is a liar
Tony Alamo is a polygamist
Tony Alamo is a pedophile
Tony Alamo is a thief

Need I say more????

mixter1

08-11-2007, 04:21 AM

Who cares? NO ONE AT THIS POINT.

wilma

08-11-2007, 04:31 AM

Floridian, I guess you must be ashamed of your beliefs if you refuse to say who you are. I doubt that I will address you again unless I know who I'm talking to. There are lots of message boards you can go tell people about Jesus on. The purpose of this message board is to expose the crimes of tony alamo.

NSM,
You forgot one....tony alamo feigned himself as the #1 singer by starting a business (American Disc Jockey Assoc) that supposedly voted him the best singer of the year. He had Joey and Ernie calling around to all the radio stations and telling them that the ADJA voted him the #1 singer and trying to get them to play tony's record on their station. How pathetic is that???!!! He had posters made up saying he was better than many top singers. The guy has got a huge EGO problem.

It's all part of the little man complex he's walking around with. He is weak and insecure. Having lots of little girls around to beat up and sexually abuse makes him feel like a real big man.

heynow

08-11-2007, 04:33 AM

Yes, you do. There is more to this website than just tony alamo. If you look at the title of this message board you will notice it reads "Alamo Foundation". There were some wonderful people in the alamo foundation. I think it is quite miraculous we have reunited here at factnet. We got saved and learned some wonderful basic gospel truths that many of us still practice even to this day. The spirit of God to guide us in our daily lives. Yes, some of the experiences were priceless. Some were terrible but, noneteless we survived and are here to share the stories. I understand as well as anybody reading this how surprised to find out how tony is today. Also, by networking here we can get an understanding of what was "really" going on with him. However, I believe everyone of us will agree there is so much more to the foundation than just tony. That's why we should focus on good things we have experienced and not only the bad. By the grace of God I have been out a number of years. I consider myself a very progressive person. When I was first out of the outfit I lived outside. At present by some accounts I could be considered a success. The real success is having peace. Thank God I have experienced the truth like all of us. Have I mad mistakes in my life? You BET! But, I am not really angry.
Now then there has been reams of info written here about tony and what he has done. If someone wants to key in and read it, I can assure them the information is thorough. However if there is something that Has not already been discussed, then let's discuss it. If it has, we need to move to new (or different) material that has not been covered. If it involves tony or not it needs to be discussed but, only different(or new) material. Let's be progressive people. Also, let's share some of the wonderful times we had at the foundation. I am sure we all have a special story to tell.

no_stoppin_me

08-11-2007, 04:35 AM

Wilma, I figured I had all my bases covered with LIAR, but thanks for reminding everyone of that big waste of time & not too mention money!!!

mixter1

08-11-2007, 04:48 AM

What!!! Guys got a voice like a corpse.
He's more Steven King material...
Glad you're still sane.

jackrussell

08-11-2007, 08:02 AM

Floridian, heavensangel, mimi

It is good that you are posting on this forum, we welcome that, and most of us have broad shoulders, but we are on a mission. And that is damage control. We cannot change the past about what atrocities Tony Alamo has done, but by God, we can shape the future.

So your mission, Mr. Phelps, if you decide to accept it is to shut Alamo ministries down and take away any pseudo power that Tony Alamo still has left.

Do any of you know, first or even second hand, if Tony Alamo has been committing domestic abuse, sexual assault, aggravated assault and/or battery recently, within the past 7 years. Please let someone know, if you have any evidence and supporting testimony to the facts, thankx,....G

floridian

08-11-2007, 03:37 PM

It is fine if you do not address me Mrs Groux,and I hope that you and others will see that is not always gonna be a easy row to hoe,yet I like you and so many other joel's army members have to continue in the race,I remember Susan Alamo saying so many times at the end of our program "I have fought a good fight I have runned the race",and even if some people think that it was all a put on,it was still said and it is a true saying,even Jesus christ teaches,do as they say (if it is the word of God)and not as they do. If some of the brothers and sisters where brain washed as some say,I know that of many times that their prayer came through.Many of the Brother and Sisters outside of the church have some very exciting memories and adventures,and remember that alot of Brothers and sisters are baptized in the Holy Ghost,they are saved, I would suggest to you fine Brothers and sisters to you meditate on how you will wage your campain on us of the Church,you know we are not all going to hell as some say and we are not all weasels as some say and why should we listen to anyone who is on us at all times,Susan Alamo also quoted this Scripture,Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ,and thou shalt be saved and thy House. King Saul was a murderer in heart,King David was an adulter and a murderer in heart and flesh David was on the outside till saul's death and until saul died david harmed him not and then after living a rightous life,David came back in and became a murderer and a adulter and before that the people seen that david lived right and that he did not attack and kill Saul,and this was favorable in the sight of the people and the Apple of God's eye,I hope that everyone on this board called the Alamo foundation will take time to think before they attack,count the cost,who will I hurt or who will I help save? Proverbs 21:5,The thoughts of the diligent tend only to plenteousness; but of every one that is hasty only to want.
Philippians 4:7,And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
8,Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.
9,Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you.
You can lived and go to heaven or hell out there,or go to heaven or hell in our church.I am a born again Christian in the church and out of the church,I must and do keep the commandments in the church and out of the church,this I have learned in the church,I have learned and taught this in the church and outside of the church the same true gospel.The Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ which has not Changed even for the people outside of our church,yet some say we are crazy,go figure,you know Good and well christians on this board that when we go to nursing homes, prisons,in the streets,and in this church,that Souls get saved.and you where a part of that at one time and if you pray for us then you are still part of that,for this body still needs hands,feet,ect,And I am telling you now that Bill Levy needs help,alanb does not even believe in God,Help Bill he helped us in the church for many years.. This is the Alamo foundation,and I am with the Alamo Church and always will be.From Carlos ave.to today,Brothers and Sisters caring for one another and preaching to a lost and dying world.

raining

08-11-2007, 05:21 PM

Floridian,

This board is NOT about the brothers & sisters - there are many still inside the Alamo Foundation that I love and miss their fellowship.

I really got saved when I asked JESUS to come into my heart. JESUS is still my Lord and HE deals with me everyday. It is not Tony Alamo that saved me or keeps me saved - it NEVER was. Tony & Sue twisted the scriptures like abide in the calling wherein ye are called - meaning by their version - don't leave the foundation or you will die and end up in Hell.

Since the mighty hand of the Lord took me out of the Alamo foundation, God has been with me and blessed me exceedingly.

There are many brothers and sisters who have left the Alamo foundation and continued their walk with the Lord. Not laying again the foundation of repentence from dead works, but going on to perfection. We see clearly now the path we have to take in order to walk the streets of gold when this life is over.

This board is about the evils of Tony Alamo, who proclaims to the all that he is the "World Pastor". He lies to under-age girls and tells them that god is telling him (toni) that they have to become his wife or they will die and end up in hell. He forces them into his bed using the Gospel as a weapon to fulfill his perverted lusts!

The Bible plainly warns us to beware of a wolf in sheep's clothing. Even a baby christian knows it is a sin to LIE. Tony continually lies on his radio broadcasts. He proclaims he (Tony) has never beaten any of the foundation children (LIAR), he claims he only has 1 wife (LIAR)- what about all the girls and women you (toni) forced yourself on. Mishael, Lydia, Tammi, Jodi, Jeanne, Lizzy, Angel . . .

Tony Alamo - you are a liar and we all know it. That is why you try so hard to discredit us. You don't want the truth about your evil ways to be exposed.

raining

08-11-2007, 06:30 PM

Floridian you posted "Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things."

You are right! The Lord wants us to think on these things and surround ourselves with this kind of a person.
So why would anyone who loves the Lord want to listen to Tony Alamo? Tony Alamo speaks so many lies, he metes out unjust judgements, he is cruel, he is like the waves of the sea - tossed to and fro. One day he says one thing and the very next day he will deny he said it. God is the same yesterday,today, and forever. Tony's rules are ever changing.

It is ok to smoke, now it is not ok to smoke.
It's the last days - no more babies, then that changed.
It is not okay to work on Saturday, now it is, now it isn't, now it is . . . .
You can't cook on Saturday, now you can, now you can't, now you can????
It is okay to drink near beer and wine, now it is not ok, now it is, now it isn't!!
Myron's in heaven, now he's in hell, now he is in heaven??
You swore in a court of law you didn't know where Susie's body was. Then appoximately 2 years later you had her body delivered to the court so you wouldn't have to go back to jail.

come on ton - if you want to be taken seriously stop with all the ying-yanging!

mixter1

08-11-2007, 06:32 PM

Say floridian,

I want the foundation to remain but renamed and with a better pastor. The foundation is now like a
crutch for serving the Lord because of PASTOR
ALAMO. If you don't know that then you just HAVE TO FACE UP TO FACT. Tony Alamo needs to be removed as pastor. He needs to be replaced by someone intellegent and someone with wisdom. The name Tony Alamo must be removed from the gospel tracts. Your doctine must to be Christ ONLY. No matter how sincere you are and I feel you are; By allowing him to remain you are helping him throw souls. We do the same things, we have
to work, we also have to take care of our families, when the lord makes it possible to carry his word to the lost and dying we do.
To quote you:
"when we go to nursing homes, prisons,in the streets,and in this church,that Souls get saved.and you where a part of that at one time and if you pray for us"
These are words I love to hear and I do pray for you. Jesus Christ gospel needs to remain and Tony needs complete removal. Get another pastor from among yourselve RIGHT NOW. IF YOU DO NOT TONY WILL DESTROY THE CHURCH. IF YOU ARE NOT AWARE OF THIS THEN THE FABRIC OF REALITY FOR YOU HAS BEEN
SHREDDED. ALSO, THERE WILL BE NO FOUNDATION.

-Mix

smitty

08-11-2007, 06:47 PM

Mixter: One of the major flaws in the Foundation from it's earliest days was the lack of a church government. The church just doesn't need a new pastor. It needs an entire government that is representative of the congergation and obedient to the word of God at the same time. Tony and Sue never ever tried to to encourage this in the least. As long as all power is focused in the hands of one (or a few) there will be no change. Besides, Tony has everything so tightly wrapped up in his name that any attempt by the brothers and sisters there to take back what's theirs' would be illegal.

mixter1

08-11-2007, 07:13 PM

Smitty,
The idea is that overseers function in their
manner. The people who whold have authority to
elect and judge pastors are the ministers.
It works pretty much the same as a conventions
today.
The prespeterian model is better. Just the model.
As it stands the ministers have to know who they are. The have to get class legal action for breach of agreement. There are several grounds that might stand a chance.
-Mix

mixter1

08-11-2007, 07:29 PM

Now grounds,

The first would be incompetence by definition.
The second would breach of agreement namely:
TA said members were to have property in their name.
I sure heard that one. The were to our businesses.
They were started and supported by our money. Tony
is nothing more than a CEO. CEO's are sent packing
by joint shares. In the first place Tony cannot act
competently physically(blindness), he is also mentally incompetent(Sanity hearing), and his moral behavior might just topple him.
The very ministers want him out. He has already
ruined what our money helped to build.
The grounds are he is the usurper. That has to be
the firm mindset of all there. Let toss this around.
We owe it to the brothers. If we cannot figure something out how will they.

-Mix

pacanfouke

08-11-2007, 07:37 PM

There is only one person going to ever take over that church if he's not in prison when Alamo dies. That is Buster White. You have not seen him in action. He's Tony's golden boy. He's a crook and liar just like Tony. Who could be more worthy?
He's been groomed to talk and respond just like Tony. He has an evilness about him that we've never seen before. I'm sure we would see that same demon look if we were given the oppurtunity to see Tony.

smitty

08-11-2007, 07:38 PM

I completely agree on the Presbyterian model of government. (B.T.W. that model of government was used by the Founding Fathers when they were hammering out the Constitution).The whole idea is to divide the power so that the PEOPLE control the finances and the day-to-day running of the Church and the Pastor sticks to the spritual care of the Congergation.

The Foundation model is that all older brothers/sisters and overseers are responsible for carrying out the edicts of Tony and for reporting back anyone who looks the least "disloyal" at the same time each of them is jealous of their position and so they are constantly on the watch for any other overseer treading on "their" position. Thus Tony can keepthem all in obedience to him thru manipulation

wilma

08-11-2007, 07:38 PM

Mixter,
The only problem is that those that currently remain in the group are ALL BEWITCHED by him. Even if he were replaced, who will replace him? bob striet? tommy scarcello? sandford white? they have ALL learned to be like him and their ideas of what is right and wrong are as screwy as tony's. I don't claim to know the solution. Only God has the answer to this one.
SG

smitty

08-11-2007, 07:40 PM

The whole tree is rotten to the roots and should be destroyed

no_stoppin_me

08-11-2007, 07:51 PM

Any organization without checks & balances is bound to fail, not just churches.

I think when TA dies, there will be such a fight for control of the power between the "brethren", that it doesn't stand a chance for survival. Oh yeah, you will have your "hanger-on-ers", but most will probably be relieved in their heart.

The very sad thing is that most of them have 7 or more children with limited education, probably no birth certificates, no social security numbers, etc. It will be very tough to start a new life for themselves, especially the ones that have shut out any outside help.

I feel sorry for Tony's children (you know the ones he has with 3 different women?) Eventually, they will grow up & learn the horrible truth about their family. Imagine having to say that Tony Alamo is your father???

I agree, Smitty, the whole tree is rotten to the roots and should be destroyed.

anchored

08-11-2007, 08:11 PM

I totally concur with Raining, Smitty, Mixter, Wilma and NSM. I agree with Paca except I also think like NSM that it will fall apart when that FROG croaks his final croak. I mean who's gonna listen to Streit, Scarcello, White for very long? They don't have the manipulative skills that MR. PEDOPHILE has.

(Message edited by anchored on August 11, 2007)

mixter1

08-11-2007, 08:51 PM

Hi
Wilma: bob striet? tommy scarcello? sandford white? any more names? What happened to ROB
SWEAT? Is he still there and married to Jeanni
-$$,$$$,$$$ Whilma they are oppressed. Tony wants them to think they are too stupid, retarded or both to be anyone or do anything. If they knew what they stood to gain- They are the ones who should petition for a removal judgment. I guess
Tony can run the foundation from the grave! Re-
moving him now would be the best slap in the face.
The people making the money should go on strike;
That would raise the collective group IQ. Things stay as they were with a new paster. Ministers take charge or who get the money?(equity).
Smitty it's a rotten tree worth money.
The god that has the answer is The Federal Govermnet which leaves them with zip; Is that what you mean? Their one law short of taking
that place now. All they have to do is plant
some drugs.
-Mix

mixter1

08-11-2007, 09:25 PM

Strikes,
Sorry that was not clear, my mistake.
Tree Crew, Bakersfield people used to get the checks and sign them over. Say they all kept the money and paid their own expenses. The way it's going now things are falling apart anyway.
I hate what he's done to people. I fail to see
how they can just go on as zoombies.
-Mix

smitty

08-11-2007, 09:32 PM

Mixter: I belive Rob and Jeannie have been out for some time now.Still married and doing well ( I think Rob still has a company that does re-forrestration).Peace, Good Health and Long Life to them both....http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

I realy don't think a general / mutiny there would gain ownership to any assets. All of the members (then as now) have signed away all of our
rights to any ownership. In the end the only winners would be Uncle Sam and the Lawyers. The only hope to to just leave that hateful place and start over likewe did...

mixter1

08-11-2007, 10:14 PM

Smitty,
I hear ya man. This is why I left the church.
I mean I must have seen this day.
This is not the first time class action has been considered. TASA lied and said it would be ours.
Those tree crew people should just keep their checks, save, and pay their way; Find a job in
their immediate sphere instead of going homeless.
I left in 1980. I'm learning things now and that
place must be too sick. Well Rob did what I was
thinking. There really is no one there. It's sad
and seems so hopeless. Too bad for those kids.
-Mix

floridian

08-11-2007, 10:47 PM

My vision is to fill my spiritual needs,and,my spiritual needs can only be filled by filling the needs of others, Others need to hear the good news of the gospel,so,here am I to tell. Others need to be visited,wether in the hospitals,homes,jails,or just in passing by,so,here am I. Others need words of encouragment,words of intructions,words of comfort,so, here I am with the word life,(the bible). Others need someones ear to hear,so here I am with two, Others need to know that they are needed,so,here am I with needs.

heynow

08-12-2007, 01:17 AM

I would need to disagree again. The board is NOT all about tony. If you read the title it reads "Alamo Foundation". However there are "Threads" on this board that welcome discussion about tony at length. To say this is all about tony strikes me a bit strange. I did post something like this...Tell you what I will cut and paste it:

Yes, you do. There is more to this website than just tony alamo. If you look at the title of this message board you will notice it reads "Alamo Foundation". There were some wonderful people in the alamo foundation. I think it is quite miraculous we have reunited here at factnet. We got saved and learned some wonderful basic gospel truths that many of us still practice even to this day. The spirit of God to guide us in our daily lives. Yes, some of the experiences were priceless. Some were terrible but, noneteless we survived and are here to share the stories. I understand as well as anybody reading this how surprised to find out how tony is today. Also, by networking here we can get an understanding of what was "really" going on with him. However, I believe everyone of us will agree there is so much more to the foundation than just tony. That's why we should focus on good things we have experienced and not only the bad. By the grace of God I have been out a number of years. I consider myself a very progressive person. When I was first out of the outfit I lived outside. At present by some accounts I could be considered a success. The real success is having peace. Thank God I have experienced the truth like all of us. Have I mad mistakes in my life? You BET! But, I am not really angry.
Now then there has been reams of info written here about tony and what he has done. If someone wants to key in and read it, I can assure them the information is thorough. However if there is something that Has not already been discussed, then let's discuss it. If it has, we need to move to new (or different) material that has not been covered. If it involves tony or not it needs to be discussed but, only different(or new) material. Let's be progressive people. Also, let's share some of the wonderful times we had at the foundation. I am sure we all have a special story to tell.

Now then. I guess the questions are: How many factnet posters would like this board to be "EXCLUSIVELY about tony alamo ONLY? And how many factnet poster would like a variety of threads including: foundation experiences, testimonies, friendship, fellowship, success stories in the Lord Jesus, soulwinning, some levity, and of course a few threads about tony?

smitty

08-12-2007, 02:17 AM

I would agree with you. I was the FIRST poster on this whole thing and I was only trying to reconnect with old brothers and sisters whom I had never forgotten about after I left. It's good and right that we continualy expose and publish what we know about Tony, but it's also good and right recall the times tha God's hand was on us and the fellowship we enjoyed in spite of Tony and Sue

mixter1

08-12-2007, 04:04 AM

Hi Smitty,

How is Don Beck? Do you hear from him?
Any new upbeats?

-mix

smitty

08-12-2007, 05:34 AM

Sorry Mix' I haven't heard from Don in a very long time. I belive he lives near either Miami or Tampa. He's been married for several years now to a girl he met on the internet. He had a bad falling out with his parents years ago,and since my wife and I have been long time friends with his folks, he has seen fit to cut contact with Sue and I as well. It's like he went back into the Foundation.. He's now kind of a "cult of one"

bintheredunthat

08-13-2007, 08:38 AM

Floridian,

“David came back in and became a murderer and a adulter and before that the people seen that david lived right and that he did not attack and kill Saul,and this was favorable in the sight of the people and the Apple of God’s eye,I hope that everyone on this board called the Alamo foundation will take time to think before they attack,count the cost,who will I hurt or who will I help save?”

Why do you worshippers of Tony keep comparing him to Saul? Don’t you understand that Saul was a weasel and that by comparing Tony to Saul you are admitting that Tony is a weasel too. I guess you’re just not very swift. The fact is that this situation with Tony Alamo is nothing like the situation with David and Saul. Tony was never made a king by God and none of the people posting on this web site were ever appointed by God to be kings to replace him either, as was the case with David.

Floridian, this just shows your cult mentality. If you believed the Bible you would know that there are no kinglike positions in the New Testament. Jesus set his church up with 12 apostles not one king. Tony Alamo’s method of rulership is not found anywhere in the New Testament. The apostles served together and made church decisions together after much prayer. This method of leadership was passed on to all the churches. There was never just one guy that called the shots.

Floridian, The Bible doesn’t say David’s decision not to kill Saul was favorable with the people. That is an out and out lie. You come on here all holy and self-righteous and then lie about what the Bible says. Did you really think that no one would catch you? You are just spouting a variation of Tony’s cult leader scare tactics about touching God’s “anointed.” Those scriptures have absolutely no application to this situation. No person anointed of God is a rapist or child molester. Never was, never will be. Rest assured floridian that if you ever come across a rape in progress you can act to stop it without any fear of harming one of God’s anointed.

Posters on this website are simply following the admonishment of 1 Timothy 5:20 “THEM THAT SIN REBUKE BEFORE ALL” Most of the people posting here are not only eyewitnesses to Tony’s sins. They are the victims of his sins and not just sins but crimes - the many underage girls who were raped by him and the many other children that were beaten by him or were beaten on his orders. The parents of those children are also his victims. Along with a whole lot of other people who were exploited by him. They are not attacking Tony, Tony is the one doing the attacking, Tony and you by trying to make out like Tony is some holy man of God and they are all liars. Next time before you launch into one of your self righteous attacks against alanb and the others why don’t you follow your own advice and take the time to think and count the cost. Who are you going to hurt? Because by sticking up for Tony you’re hurting a lot of children and families.

The fact is floridian that many rape victims do not speak up because of sickos like you who are so quick to blame the victim. Self-righteous hypocrites like you are what’s wrong with society today. Jesus called you wolves in sheeps clothing. You’re like a cancer. You don’t contribute any good to society. You just go around spouting off scriptures you don’t even understand or believe. If you were over in the middle east you’d probably be spouting the Koran, encouraging little kids to strap on bomb vests and cheering every time another atheist like alanb was beheaded on Al-Jazeera, all the while singing the praises of some murderous Imam.

floridian

08-13-2007, 10:01 AM

The bible gives us acounts of what happened,Johnathan knew what david did,I do no compareing, Here is a quote from God calling me and anyone else who will live a Godly life,Revelation 1:6, And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
let me tell you friend,I am making it by the skin of my teeth,in fact we are scaresely saved,and I would not even be that if I did not take the time and sincere heart effort to preach the truth to alanb,I have not lied about the bible even saul knew what david had done,it is written.Here is another of God's appointments,Revelation 5:10,And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.1 Timothy 2:1I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
2For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
3For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
I hope that if you feel that I am not handeling the matter of alanb soul properly please step in and help,anyone that wants to help sure can . His soul is that special.

no_stoppin_me

08-13-2007, 11:56 AM

Floridan,

Stop with the "caring for AlanB's soul" stuff. You should be worried about your own soul seeing as how you hoodwinked into following TA.

I think you have the hots for AlanB. (just my opinion)

jackrussell

08-13-2007, 12:09 PM

Floridian! Have you taken in even a word the last poster just said? Not seeing the forest for the trees. Typical. Harping something about another poster (alanb), classic Alamo smoke and mirrors (deflective distraction). WE all been there done that, but the difference now is getting to be where, now with the high speed access of the internets' info highway and this forum, all of Alamos' lies, atrocities, and shame is shared, collectively, en masse.

So that now, one is without excuse that would side with such an one as he, Tony Alamo.

If the internet was around in Hitlers' day, he would have not lasted as long because his evil deeds would not have been cloaked in as much secrecy, because everybody would know what everybody else knows via the individual personal experiences. It is called 'confirmation.'

floridian

08-13-2007, 02:25 PM

I am sorry you feel that way,I want it to be known to you Claudia that I am very honest and sincere in my speach with you and everyone else,and please remember,this is no joke,God knows my heart and I know that it is desperately wicked,so out of the abudance of my heart my mouth says to you that I really do not want you to be offended at me and I would really appreciate true fellowship with you,and I really think that you are trying to be the best careing christian you can.; Be careful how you mock,be real careful,and if you feel that I am a phoney,do not accept that feeling,it is not of the Lord.I am of aged to warn you. I would rather reason with you. Blessed are the peace makers.

raining

08-13-2007, 04:12 PM

Here is some true fellowship!

Here is parts of an old post that was posted by Becca Sue Levy: Posted on Thursday, November 03, 2005

My name is Rebecca Sue (Levy) Gay. I was born February 26.

When I was two my family was moved to Arkansas. The first few years of my life are kind of uneventful. I do remember my dad having to leave in the middle of the night for night watch. Also, I remember my parents being called to Tony and Susies house in the middle of the night because of reports.

I remember when I was 5 and in kindergarten in Dyer, Arkansas (1980) Tony and Susie would make frequent visits to the school. Tony was our principal. I remember his paddle. It was big and had holes drilled in it. I was told the holes made the paddle move more air and was supposed to make it sting more, which was the goal. I remember TONY ALAMO, himself coming and beating kids severely for everything from talking back to a teacher, to bad grades (C's, D˜s and Fs), to lying or cheating on tests. I think it was at that time when I consciously realized I was not safe. I saw other kids beaten and I was terrified. In addition to being scared to death of the beatings,

I remember Carlos and Miguel getting beaten with an actual horse whip¦ I recall sitting in the cafeteria eating dinner when Erik Ondersak came back from the Spec House (Tony's mansion). We moved over for him to sit down and he physically was unable to even sit down. He was beaten so severely with a wooden board that he was unable to sit for days! I was there, I saw that with my eyes.

In 1986 and 1987 I was at the Spec House (in Arkansas) SEVERAL times when Tylon Willis, Aaron Willis, Tyrone, Benji Risha, Jarred Balsley, Jason Balsley, Katie Decker, Angela Greiner, Kimberly Ondersak, (and maybe a few others who at this moment I cannot recall) were ORDERED to be beaten BY TONY ALAMO. (they were beaten for disrupting class, making jokes during teaching time, bad grades and talking) Now when I say beaten¦ let me just paint a picture for you¦.

One large man would get on each kids limb. That's right one person holding each arm and each leg¦ For those who can't count, that means FOUR adults holding these kids, suspended in mid air, while yet another adult takes a board and beats them the number of times issued by Tony Alamo. Oh, and in case you want to know how count was kept, the kids had to count their swats and if they lost count the count would start over. Tony had a thing for the number 40.

He issued lots of 40 swats

continued next post

raining

08-13-2007, 04:13 PM

continued from above post by Becca Sue Levy: Posted on Thursday, November 03, 200.

One night this poor black kid, who was drug into the church by his parents who were eager to serve God got beaten. He was weeping and told Tony he was sorry. Tony said that God told him Tyrone was lying and Tony said, 40 more! So poor Tyrone got 40 more swats! Tony then had Aaron and Tylons mom take Tyrone and Aaron and Tylon who were also beaten in to the bathroom and these boys had to pull down their pants. If they weren't bleeding they got more swats.

Bethany Decker who was 14 or 15 at the time started to cry because the screams and the sound of the board hitting these kids was just unbearable, Shelly Borak told Bethany Decker that if she did not stop crying she would tell ALAMO that Bethany was crying for the bad kids, and crying meant her loyalty was to them and not to God. Shelly told Bethany it would be her next.

I was there, I was personally right there when this was said and done. UNFRIKKEN REAL huh! What is hard for most people to fathom is that when Tony Alamo gave orders, they were followed. It wasn't even a matter of, Do you want to obey? you just did. Everyone obeyed. Tony controlled everything. If you needed clothing you had to ask Tony. If you needed to go t a Dr. you had to ask Tony. If you wanted to get married you had to ask Tony. If you saw someone who was not conforming completely to all of the ever changing rules you had to report them to Tony. There was a whole system for the cult to run properly, by Tony. He had everyone under his direct authority. The adults obeyed like they were little children. They never questioned Tony and they never said no. I watched grown men stand and watch other grown men literally bloody their children's bottoms and the dads would stand there and not lift a finger to help their own yelping children. WHY you ask???? Because they were conditioned to OBEY orders! Conditioned by fear, fear, and more fear, of yeah and twisted scriptural references. That also played a role in the obedience factor.

What must be established here, on this board is a pattern of Tony giving orders and people who are so brain washed they follow even the most absurd orders. Keep reading, I'll show you what I mean. Later on in 1987 (or 88) Tony really started to push his control. I believe he wanted to see how far he could go. I think he was testing the limits. He began to have the adults beaten with the same boards that the kids were beaten with¦ Pete Kortez, Pam Kortez, and several others were literally spanked. These were full grown adults, mind you. These adults were so obedient and loyal to Alamo they physically bent over and did not move while they were SPANKED by a board to the number of swats that was issued. Also, at this time Tony decided to start SMITING people. He would have them stand and not move while another person literally hit them in the face as many times as ALAMO issued. These are not rumors. I saw this with my own eyes.

I was personally smitten 4 times for asking a Bible question.
God told Tony I was mocking him by asking the question. Oh and by the way, Tony Alamo never was able to answer my question.

Everything I said is true, not hear say, not a rumor, it is 100% unadulterated truth. I can stand before God knowing that I did not lie, at all

wilma

08-13-2007, 04:21 PM

bintheredunthat, welcome to the message board and thank you for your words of wisdom. It is too bad that "floridian" just doesn't get it. He is a fanatic and lunatic and shows his cult mentality repeatedly.
SG

raining

08-13-2007, 04:46 PM

It was great putting up the truth. The Lord loves the truth and hates a lie. To call tony alamo some type of soul winner and prophet would be a LIE!

Tony Alamo is a child abusing, polygamy practicing, child sexual predator who feigns to the world that he is some spokesperson for the Lord. He uses his pulpit and the Gospel as a tool to force innocent young girls to submit themselves to his perverted lusts.

More fellowship to come later - I have to get going for the busy day ahead.

(Message edited by Raining on August 13, 2007)

alanb

08-14-2007, 01:38 AM

modesto

08-15-2007, 06:31 AM

Well,Floridian says some heavy "sounding" things that ring,for me, like a guy trying to sound like a modern day prophet from ancient times.There's no "guts" no "soul" to it though.

I got to (reluctantly) admit, Tony and Sue, at times, had some real soul in their messages real guts.That is what attracted me to them at first.Floridian lacks this.I was wrong.Floridian is not Tony.

mixter1

08-16-2007, 12:00 AM

Hi Modesto,
I started a places to stay thread. Please
cane we talk? mixter37@sbcglobal.net

d_eddy

10-12-2007, 02:37 AM

Hello Everyone I Just Thought You Should know I called lester (protecting the Molester AKA Tony Alamo.) wood.
Bravo to whomever paid the 20 bucks to get this nut job bumped off factnet. he lied and said he was not floridian But after doing some reserch I had the ammo and explained to him thats wierd the isp address knocked off 2 people He said that would be floridian and simpleword. so he asked who did that to me and why ?so I told him the factnet forum is for facts about the alamo foundation. not his pulpet!!!! and I asked for the phone number to foridian since he was still denieing that floridian was him he said its not my wife. Then I had asked les if you are truly a christian why are you listing to accusations about me.And then posting them. that got him so mad he slipped with his mouth and it came out he is both and the same and dave krooph was telling me the truth he is a suporter of ta so thankyou whoever it was .you did us all a great justice now I encourge all you alamo suporters to come forward and let us really see the depth of what tony alamo has done to you and what he has instructed you to do that was decietfull and Not of Christ. you all are Low -Spirited
Main Entry: down
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IF you DECide TO LEAVE YOU CAN CONTACT ME AT 1-812-303-0981. P.S. We are all praying for you to be delivered Donald Eddy

heynow

10-12-2007, 03:07 AM

Interesting stuff here, What was it that convinced you that Les Wood was an T. alamo supporter?

worm_can_opener

10-12-2007, 03:37 AM

a standing ovation to whoever sent in that $20.00 I'm sure it's the best $20.00 worth you have ever gotten- all that idiot did was accuse, throw scriptures at everyone and BABBLE his brains out. I for one am grateful to you...God bless you abundantly !!!

worm_can_opener

10-12-2007, 03:44 AM

P.S. There were a couple more things Floridiot did, that slipped my mind...plaster the board with the sinner's prayer, boast about all the hundreds of souls he supposedly won everyday, and psyche Heynow out with it !!! LOL !!!!

modesto

10-12-2007, 11:43 AM

I was a bit taken aback by how,in the face of evidence of Tony's polygamy,throwing husbands, broke,out in to the street so he could take their wives,threatening young girls with being driven out and abandoned in the wilderness if they didn't "consumate" the bogus "wedding", child beating/abuse,child molestation,theft of members hard earned money,selling donated mattresses and I could go on and on.Les' only criticism of Tony was that he ought to stick to the KJV!!That, among other things, was a little clue for me.

fear_god_not_man_esp_a_little_man

10-12-2007, 02:42 PM

alan wrote:

I think you have the hots for AlanB. (just my opinion

UGHRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!phuey! Gag me!

You are so funny Alan http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif
keep them going
C

dyann

10-12-2007, 05:55 PM

Heynow=
It was Les Wood's own admission that he was both Simpleton AND Floridiot.
It's in here somewhere, right before he got the boot... try surfing all the threades between 10/1/07 and 10/7/07

(Message edited by dyann on October 12, 2007)

jackrussell

10-13-2007, 04:12 AM

Les Wood a bit of a microcosm of what any could be, as leftovers from years and decades of living the lie of Tony Alamo, the horn tooting almighty guy (so not).

For sure, most of us were never so wacked, and still supportive of pastor pedophile, when it was really SHOUTED that he is indeed pastor pedophile. But we did somewhat ignorantly also support a lie and cover ups with much fervor and zeal before. But now sadly, many still there now have accomodated this now 'deeper' deceit into justification, and then have become somewhat of the same in essence. My conjecture, very sadly now, is that Tony Alamo is not the only pedophile in the ranks. In the makings can be, becoming now, three fold children of hell more than himself, which is another very good reason why the insanity must be stopped, and the demonic false ideology that Alamo has perpetuated be aired out in the public disgrace that it is, so that perhaps, it would contained and proceed no further, and the hearts and consciences of those, especially born there, could finally reckon with the choice presented them in freedom by men and women living with integrity, grace and dignity, and not via the one sided coin of the word of Alamo in that cloistered and sheltered(squalor) existence of his spell and trance.

Has any heard recently of Don Sweat? He was in the hierarchy of the cult until just this spring when he too, left. He made the right choice in his capitulation. For so long it has been brother against brother (shows the vastness of the Alamo voodoo like deceit), as Rob Sweat has been out for many years. I'm sure it is painstakingly difficult for Don to come to terms with all his own stubborn deceit for almost an entire lifetime, and the grandstanding tomfoolery he stood by, to be dealt out by this cruel taskmaster, Tony Alamo, being among even atrocities that he himself, may have been a party to. But Don, better late, than never. To thine own self be true, and now to the rest, be true too!

modesto

10-13-2007, 02:24 PM

And it must follow ,as the night the day,thou canst not then be false to any man.

razzor9

10-13-2007, 05:28 PM

Modesto,

Dont forget about the cat and mouse game that lamo plays. I havent heard anything about sweat. Who knows if he left or got the boot. After all the years he was there, he could still be a supporter, and might want to go back. Others have posted that after they left they were still supporting, sending in $, and trying to get back in. There have been many people who got kicked out and went back, then out and back in. You know how ta uses that game to keep them captive in his evil ways.

So sad, they can not see it in the true light.

dyann

10-13-2007, 07:08 PM

http://www.rickross.com/reference/polygamy/polygamy94.html

Jack,
Sadly you are so correct. Again.
Researching for "successful prosecutions" of Lamo's crimes, I came accross this from four years ago.
I'm trying now to locate a Pro-Bono attny for Don E...trying to get a referal via AG Prosector for the Warren Jeff's case in Colorado.
I hate wandering the ethers... I keep finding this sadistic smut, Lamo is not alone in his sins.
*sigh*

worm_can_opener

10-17-2007, 02:12 PM

I think that by the time someone contacts the police, and marches into one of the cult's compounds to retreive their children, it's safe to make the assumption they are out of the hell-hole for good !!! let's hope so. I wish only the best for Don, Leah, Michaiah and Sierra. Sure would love it, if they would get on Factnet, also. I'm sure they have incredible stories to tell (understatement)

heynow

10-17-2007, 10:59 PM

Razzor, I am not sure about all that "in and out" stuff.
From what I understand "In and Out is what a burger is all about."

wild_dream

10-18-2007, 12:23 AM

Don no dobt is laying low. God knows he was an accessory to the many crimes of Alamo for so many years, at least around thirty years worth. I'm hopeful too that he would come forth with his wealth of insight. Only upon finding repentence, through Gods mercy, and having his sins covered in the blood of Jesus could he ever do that willingly. He may have to do it unwillingly if he's recruited as an accessory to Alamos crimes. For sure he saw this coming before he left. The remaining minions should consider this. I love Rob and Jeannie as much as anyone, but that does'nt excuse Don from his responsibility to testify, willingly {I hope}, or unwillingly as in being supeneaded. Could be the reason Rob and/or Jeannie have not been actively involved on this board.