Warren Jeffs Found GuiltyTony Alamo next

[wilma]

Tony Alamo will have his day of judgment also!!
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Jeffs guilty on both counts
The Salt Lake Tribune
Article Last Updated: 09/25/2007 03:38:25 PM MDT

Warren Jeffs, left, and council react to the verdicts Tuesday in St. George, Utah. Jeffs, head of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, was found guilty on both counts of rape as an accomplice for allegedly coercing the marriage and rape of a 14-year-old follower to her 19-year-old cousin in 2001.


* Now that he's convicted, what's next for Warren Jeffs?


Updated: 3:36 PM- ST. GEORGE -- Polygamous sect leader Warren S. Jeffs has been found guilty of two counts of being an accomplice to rape.
Jeffs, leader of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, blinked when the verdicts were read, but showed no emotion. None of his followers in the courtroom reacted.
The 51-year-old was convicted of two counts of being an accomplice to rape related to a marriage he conducted in 2001 between Elissa Wall, who was 14, and Allen Steed, 19.

[wilma]

Now that Warren Jeff's, head of FLDS, is getting what's coming to him, What's next for Bernie Lazar Hoffman, aka Marcus Abad, Bucky Raymond, Tony Alamo, Harvey Cochran, Harry Collins etc etc what ever name Tony Alamo happens to be hiding under???

There are so many similarities between the two groups...manipulation, mind control, child-neglect, child-rape, child-abuse, control of finances by the cult leader. Finally some justice!!

There will be lots of coverage on Larry King, O'Reilly, Anderson Cooper, all the major news shows.

Tony, your # is up!! Better get your high-heeled running shoes on!

[anchored]

Oh oh, Tony's gig is up. It's just a matter of time. Back to the clink for you Tone. Let's hope it's for keeps this time.

Thanks Wilma for the great news! Will be watching the coverage.

[heynow]

Wait a minute. You mentioned Harvey Cochran. I remember Harvey as a great brother. Why are you associating him with tony?

[wilma]

Great article about the guilty verdict of Warren Jeffs at:

http://www.sltrib.com/ci_6995147

Heynow, I mentioned Harvey Cochran because tony alamo stole and used Harvey's ID when Harvey was in a nursing home. When tony alamo was busted by the FBI in Tampa in July 1991 that was one of the names he had stolen and was using. Tony was using Harvey's name and ID without Harvey's consent. Pretty low move, eh?

[dyann]

Not only IS there a God... (duh)
But He has the greatest sense of humour too!
Warren Jeffs has been in the pen/jail known as PURGATORY, Utah! http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

[dyann]

High-5 Wilma!
I thought I started a string about this but I like yours better! *kiss kiss*http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/kiss.gif

[pobox398]

ooh-rah - Dyann!!!

let me move my post over here...

My bet is that if TA isn't already in hiding he'll be making himself pretty longtime scarce for fear of a similar conviction coming down on his pate should the Feds get their hands on him after the sentensing that has just been handed down to Polygamy's Man of the Hour Warren Jeffs.

O-o-o-oh sinner man
where you gonna run to?

oops sorry, I forgot, you don't run do you Tony - liar liar pants on fire!

[floridian]

pobox you been out of the loop awhile,We all hope that all is well with you and yours,and thanks for showing back up,now has anyone heard from modesto and mixter1,and tom and weaned and you know the rest of the gamers

[brother_d]

I've never known POBox 398 to be out of the loop. I suppose she's been listening in all along, but it's good to hear from you again, CP.

[worm_can_opener]

his holiness (LOL ) the world pastor, is getting some special elevator boots made- weasel dyed pink, with WHEELS in them- for a quick get-a-way !!! he KNOWS his day is coming...VERY SOON !!

[worm_can_opener]

the news of Warren Jeffs will be greatly minimized, when news of the world pedophile breaks out, for all the world to see, and gawk at! Nobody has ever seen this shameful of behavior, in someone professing godliness ! eyes will pop out of their sockets, mouths will drop with G-force, when the world hears of all the evil abominations !!

[worm_can_opener]

after all, WHO (as far as someone professing Christianity) has had a rapingmobile, molested little girls, right in the prison, used "thus saith the Lord" to get teenagers to join his harem, told them the family would go to hell, be kicked out, etc., who else has beaten over 25 children, till BLOOD came oozing out ??

[worm_can_opener]

who else, professing godliness and Christianity, has sent their congregation out into FIELDS, to do slave labor, paid them 0- $ 5.00 a week, while they indulge themselves with houses all over the country, limos and swimming pools ?

[worm_can_opener]

is there anyone we have ever heard of, who pretended to be a man of God, and acted like a total reprobate ?, is there any one who has told as many LIES as the perv, used foul language, right over a pulpit, went on about sexual things over a pulpit, talked endlessly about his own SELF in a church ? has anyone kicked babies around a room, knocked girls unconscious, smashed babies all over their body (with a huge ring on) ?

[worm_can_opener]

what other person, who was supposedly a PASTOR of a church, had people SMITTEN, and even had ADULTS bend over, and "take their punishment" ? what other person tells blatant LIES on a radio show, saying he "knows of 6 year olds, who have sex 2 or 3 times a day" ?
this guy is unique, folks. there's been nobody like him, not ever. he's won the contest for "BIGGEST REPROBATE IN HISTORY" as far as I'm concerned.

[pharsez_n_phariseez]

wco
mouths will drop with g-force

now thats a heap funny! : ^ )

[jackrussell]

Elmer Gantry, played by Burt Lancaster I believe was mentioned by Tony Alamo in his testimony bsck in the day 'as a soul throwin' rogue minister, such that colored fundamental and pentecostal Christianity with such a bad name like hypocritical 'bible thumpers.'

Well, it seems like such a bad testimony was duly adopted by Alamo, and how,... making out Elmer Gantry to be an avid mentor for the 'wurld pastor.' Oh birds of a feather!,..............

Soon Mr. Alamo must spend millions again and retain the services of 'Dewey Cheatum & Howe.'

[pobox398]

May the birds Warren Jeffs and Tony Alamo flock together and rot together in the klink

[anchored]

A quote taken from NPR on 9/26/06 titled, "Warren Jeffs and the FLDS"

"According to former followers, the prophet is considered to be God's mouthpiece on earth. It is believed that God speaks directly to Warren Jeffs to reveal His will. And through the prophet, God directs which male members are worthy of entry into heaven (females are invited into heaven by satisfied husbands). Jeffs is also the only person who can perform marriages, and it is through him that wives are assigned to their husbands. Pleasing the prophet can result in loyal members being rewarded with one or more wives."

Tony Alamo is almost identical to Warren Jeffs. They're definitely birds of a feather.

[dyann]

I thought I smelled something familiar about the Jeffs/CourtTV thing. Why doesn't the 'brainwashing' issue ever get raised during their diatribes? I also believe Human Trafficking charges should be added since these "Prophets" of God are constantly "arrainging" marriages (read: Merging Bank Accounts and Businesses) by supposed direction of the Almighty.
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Yes Jack, I remember Tony waving Elmer Gantry as a loathesome sinner in our faces many times.
Takes one to know one.

[anchored]

Dyann, Good morning to you.

My posts were doubling up this morning too. You can go in right now and delete the extras. You have to make sure you do it before a half hour is up because they won't let you delete or edit after the post has been up for a half hour.

[dyann]

Anchored,
Thanx I figured that out soon enough ;-)
This board is smoking this morning!
...and good morning back to you http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif
Which coast are you on?
I'm in Northern California

[anchored]

Dyann, I see you did. Wasn't sure if you knew about that little trick yet or not. Still haven't found that IGNORE button yet though. I'd sure like to add that to my tool bar. Would come in real handy at times.

I'm near the vast beaches of Lake Michigan. Up here in the midwest. I'm about 20 minutes away from the Lake. It looks just like the ocean, just as beautiful. I go there often. I like to go biking on the trail that goes right along the Lake on Lake Shore Drive. I feel like it's a little slice of heaven.

Sure glad to have you aboard. Granny Cook was an amazing lady. We all loved her. Can't wait to see her again.

[dyann]

Awww,
Yes she was... so spry and bright for such a tiny lady. And spirit-filled. I was so happy the Lord took her when he did, out of their venomous clutches.
I live in the Sierras, about an hour west of South Lake Tahoe.
My breath seems to catch every time I look out on our mountains.
I'll let you know about the ignore button when I hear from you via email.

[anchored]

Oh yes, Granny was spirit-filled for sure. You could see the joy of the Lord in her beautiful face and smile. Just what you would expect from someone who really knows the Lord. Always so kind and compassionate toward others. Believe me, it was so refreshing to have her in the midst of us just to know that she was across the street in that little house at 1 and a half. And, as Bro-D said, the whole family was very kind, caring and considerate. Loved by all.

[dyann]

It's good to hear such kind rememberences. My cousin Joyce, Bobby and Debbie's sister who is closer to my age, and I are still very much in touch. She never stopped praying for me and was a strong support for me when I left. THAT is a strong woman and I believe she got it from Granny Cook. She had her mother, sister, brother and me in a cult and continued on with her own miserable nightmare of a life, and came out the other end a stronger Christian woman. Simply amazing.
Granny was the epitome of compassion. I know I rubbed off on a lot of us. She had such a love for all her "Hippy Kids".

[dyann]

It's good to hear such kind rememberences. My cousin Joyce, Bobby and Debbie's sister who is closer to my age, and I are still very much in touch. She never stopped praying for me and was a strong support for me when I left. THAT is a strong woman and I believe she got it from Granny Cook. She had her mother, sister, brother and me in a cult and continued on with her own miserable nightmare of a life, and came out the other end a stronger Christian woman. Simply amazing.
Granny was the epitome of compassion. I know it rubbed off on a lot of us. She had such a love for all her "Hippy Kids".

[worm_can_opener]

I'll say amen to that !! she was just the SWEETEST little lady you could ever meet. I used to visit often, when Dee and Granny lived at # 8. she would tell us about the people we knew, who were saved and filled with the Holy Ghost, right in her house !! (like Barry Haynes) she said she used to have a lot of "world" in her, till the Lord gave her a vision of hell !! (that would do it, eeeeekkkk !!) she said that when she was young, she was a "flapper", who pasted a fake beauty mark on her face (hard to imagine, that's for sure) she always had some deep conversation about the Lord up her sleeve. Every time we went over there, we knew there would be the peace that passes all understanding, and an edifying conversation. She's been enjoying herself in the Kingdom of Heaven for a very long time, now !! we will see her again !!!

[dyann]

Okay, I found my pic in Rich Hydells group pics on Marcels site. I'm the "?" standing next to Jeanie Pucket, who's next to Kathy Seay, Pamy Levy, and Vickie Volkes!

[dyann]

Sorry for the double post. This board is soo mired down today.

WCO~

I've heard her vision of hell. When I was 16 she told me and it's still real to me today. She told me to never pray for something from the Lord that you are not equipped to handle. What great advice.
She also said she asked the Lord for a sign once and he sent her the scent of roses coming from INSIDE the fireplace in our living room! The very same fireplace that Dee through my Doors/Soft Parade Album into earlier that year ;-)

[pobox398]

TA read it and weep! … And sob! … And cry your blind glazed eye-balls out !!!
Your days are numbered just like the sparse hairs on your chiny-chin-chin. Soon you’ll be squealing like the squawling pig we’ve all come to know you to be. And when your anxiously waiting horney cell-mates are done with you, you’ll be grunting and groaning like the fatted hog you’ve so lasciviously become.

It's so uplifting and encouraging to know: what goes around comes around! Cause we surely reap what we sow – thus saith our Lord ( and He’s not a man that He should lie! No! Not even to the devil – one of which is you, Tony Alamo!) vengeance is His! http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/angry.gif
Believe this, He won't be satisfied until He has it above and beyond anything we as mere mortals can think or even ask! Yep, you’re going to for sure get yours; you of the very basest sort, who has personally dashed and deflowered and destroyed so-o-o-o many innocents. To the base He truly knows how to show Himself base... http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/uhoh.gif
Yeah, read it and weep… you won’t be frozen in time, no most likely, you’ll be frying for eternity…

Sir Toad, your millstone awaits! http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/sad.gif
And so do your oh-so-o-o lonely cell-mates… http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/proud.gif

[modesto]

New arrivals to California prisons are asked by the other inmates for their "paperwork".That is a State chrono listing their committal offense/s.If they don't produce it or do and it contains anything like child molestation, that sort of thing,"Uh Oh!!!".Lonely cellies would be a blessing by comparison.

[pharsez_n_phariseez]

Hmmm
Anybody got any serious problems with that?
Nah, I didnt think so.
Actually it sounds pretty groovy. It ought to please ol Tone to no end, as in no end in sight to what his welcoming committee has in store for him.
It works perfectly for me for ol Tone with his soft as a baby\\'s bottom hands. My guess is the rest of him very likely follows suit. Boy are those inmates in for a treat! And so is ol Tone!
Are they ever gonna make his day
and his night
and his week
and his month
and his year
and his years too!
(if he lasts that long which he probably wont) Then finally on to bigger and better rewards! About the only thing I might want to ask his lowliness in the midst of all this is: Are you having fun yet?

Is it too much to ask for the whole congregation to say a roof-raising AMEN?!!!

[dyann]

}<font color="ff0000"><font face="arial,helvetica"><font size="+1">AMEN BROTHER PHARSEZ!</font></font></font>

[heynow]

Modesto, Where do they house those priests?

[razzor9]

I think the parents of the minor girls should also be held accountable for the forcing their daughters to marry. Does any one know how the laws in Utah view that?

[worm_can_opener]

back to post # 288, Jack,
Elmer Gantry is such a spoof on the unbelieving "pastors" of the world ! the opening scene, telling dirty jokes to the drunks, gawks at that woman in the red outfit, then proceeds to grandstand with that loud prayer, and continues with a long, ranting sermon, right there in the speakeasy ! Those barflies start walking out the door, and Elmer tells them " you are wrecking...you are ruining my show !" Burt Lancaster deserved that academy award ! the crowning glory of the whole flick, is when Elmer has been photographed with a hooker, and is on the front page of the paper, and goes back to the near empty church- a guy cracks a whip, and all hell breaks out ! "anti-christ !!" "you FAKER!!" "you Judas, you !" "save your own soul !!" then the pies and eggs start flying, while Elmer just stands there and takes his punishment !! LOL all the while, someone's playing a sour, jazz version of "onward Christian Soldiers" on the trumpet. That's another "must see" for any ex-member who used to hear the world hypocrite preach about Elmer Gantry.

[jackrussell]

Tony Alamo and his utter selfishness, is almost beyond understanding. I will not come on here and say that I have never done anything I was not ashamed of, and that is mostly in the finances dept., but in the darkest hour, first chapter of proverbs stayed at least in the back of my mind, whereas I did not want to ever hear God mock me for intentionally destroying lives, and irreparably. If what you have done is so utterly unfixable, how you gonna explain that to God? Especially after you knew God or were known of Him. For sure we are all human, but if your ways are so imponderable, due to absolute disregard of all that is right and good, you have no excuse other than maybe the insanity plea. Seems Tony has crossed line after line after line, precept after precept after precept. Its just downright ugly when a human being sears that much conscience, and becomes so numb and insensitive to innocence. Its a serial thing, see Bundy, Dahmler, Gacy, etc.

For so many many years Alamo has absolutely not suffered the little children to come unto the Lord. This is far worse than Judas stealing money, Alamo has been stealing innocense, and innocense is what heaven is made of, thru the Blood of the Lamb. Has not Tony Alamo truly made a statement? He does not want any part of that, he does not want heaven. He made a wish, it will be granted......

[razzor9]

Took a drive out on Sierra Hwy today.. Alot of stuff is developing on that strecth of the road, with LA County and Commuity College stuff. However, the house across directly across the street from 13136 Sierra Hwy, had an incident about a yr ago. A man came to the door and said he needed to use the phone, something bad was happening at the place across the street at the Alamo place.

They were afraid and told him to go away and never called the police/sheriff. Not sure what came of the that.

Today the property owner across the street from 13136 Sierra Hwy has walls, but could be approachable at the door. However the property next to that is up for sale. Will go back and get the info for that.

Recent activity: 2 gals outside looking at the planters, the gals looked overweight, one thought, maybe Mary Jane ?

It was weriod... they were wearing head scarfs and aprons, and they were discussing the flower beds.... how weriod

also.... #5 had 3 late model veh at 3 pm. Why were they not working?

[saved_21570]

Ps 109:17
As he loved cursing, so let it come unto him: as he delighted not in blessing, so let it be far from him.

[razzor9]

Took a drive out on Sierra Hwy today.. Alot of stuff is developing on that strecth of the road, with LA County and Commuity College stuff. However, the house across directly across the street from 13136 Sierra Hwy, had an incident about a yr ago. A man came to the door and said he needed to use the phone, something bad was happening at the place across the street at the Alamo place.

They were afraid and told him to go away and never called the police/sheriff. Not sure what came of the that.

Today the property owner across the street from 13136 Sierra Hwy has walls, but could be approachable at the door. However the property next to that is up for sale. Will go back and get the info for that.

Recent activity: 2 gals outside looking at the planters, the gals looked overweight, one thought, maybe Mary Jane ?

It was weriod... they were wearing head scarfs and aprons, and they were discussing the flower beds.... how weriod

also.... #5 had 3 late model veh at 3 pm. Why were they not working?

[raining]

Heynow- you posted:
Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2007 - 6:01 pm:
"Wait a minute. You mentioned Harvey Cochran. I remember Harvey as a great brother. Why are you associating him with tony?"

------------------------------------------------

Tony Alamo did change his name after he was saved but not legally. He changed his name to Harvey Cochran when he was in hiding. He was wanted for felony child abuse charges in California after ordering Justin Miller to be brutally beaten 140 times with a board.

Harvey was a brother who got permanently disabled in a car wreck while out distributing Tony's literature. He had been at the foundation for about 20 years. After he was injured Tony didn't want to pay for his care so he dumped him in a nursing home and abandoned him. He said he was a weasel for having the accident. That's Tony's idea of Christian love.

Some brothers stopped by to visit Harvey. Later when Harvey needed his ID his family couldn't find it anywhere. They thought they had lost it somewhere until Harvey's ID showed up in Tampa Florida with Tony Alamo! Tony Alamo was using Harvey's ID and prentending to be Harvey.


Take your time to read this newspaper article that will be posted below.

[raining]

Los Angeles Times July 22, 1991


"Investigators said Alamo's frequent moves of his household and his use of cellular phones-which are untraceable-mail drops and numerous aliases were the chief impediments to his capture.

"The FBI said Alamo made calls from Tampa using cellular phones registered in New Jersey. This allowed him to frequently call newspapers and a Nashville radio talk show hosted by his brother, Dan Hoffman, without fear of giving away his whereabouts.

"As an example of how he tried to prevent his mail from being traced, investigators said Alamo sent tapes to be broadcast on radio station WRFA-AM in nearby Largo to a post office box in New York. A follower would pick up the tapes, then remail them so that they arrived at the Florida radio station with New York postmarks.

"Investigators said they know of at least seven aliases used by Alamo while he was a fugitive.

"Known as Harvey Cochran at the hardware store, his name was G. Elmo Justine at the waterfront home he rented in Tampa. After Alamo was arrested, agents found a business card in his wallet from a restaurant called Wild Child's in Temple Terrace, northeast of Tampa. The card belonged to H. Colling, general manager of the restaurant.

"Federal agents went to the restaurant and learned that H. Colling was Alamo, who had orchestrated the opening of the restaurant two weeks earlier, making all the decisions right down to the design of the restaurant's logo and menus. The agents also learned that several of the restaurant's employees were followers of Alamo's church who had moved to the area in recent months to be near their pastor.

"One employee is Jennifer Colbeck, a 17-year-old waitress who was born in Saugus and lived in Alamo church communes until she moved to Tampa this year. She said she came with her husband, John, also an Alamo follower and a dishwasher at Wild Child's. Like other followers who would talk to the media in Tampa, she recited, seemingly by rote, a denunciation of the pursuit and capture of the preacher she called "Papa Tony" while growing up.

"Tony's been my pastor all of my life," she said. "He is the only preacher I know of. He preaches the gospel and some people don't like that. They know he is telling the truth and they just want to shut him up. It's unfair. He's done nothing wrong."

"Investigators believe that profits from the businesses started by Alamo and operated by his followers helped the fugitive preacher finance new ventures as well as avoid capture.

"Johnson, owner of the shop next to the hardware store, said Alamo had expressed interest in buying his postal box business but was arrested before serious negotiations began.

[raining]

Los Angeles Times July 22, 1991


"Harvey-that's what I knew him as-told me he was looking for businesses to buy because he had a lot of people to put to work," Johnson said.

"Alamo's high-profile activities were unusual for a federal fugitive, authorities said. They concede that had he divorced himself from his church and its followers, he might still be free.

"He thumbed his nose at federal authorities," Assistant U. S. Atty. David Jennings said. "Not until the task force was put together did he see that he couldn't keep doing that."

"The federal task force was formed in May after authorities received information that numerous Alamo followers were flocking to Tampa, said Mike Blevins, chief deputy marshal in Fort Smith, Ark.

"We thought that the probability was good that these people were going there because he was using Tampa as a hiding place," Blevins said.

"The migration of followers to Tampa had in part been spurred by the seizures of numerous church properties in Arkansas and Tennessee to satisfy IRS tax liens. A lien has been placed against the property in Saugus, which has been boarded up and unused for several months.

"Other properties were seized to pay a $1.8-million court judgment won against Alamo by a family of former followers who claimed that the preacher had abused children, alienated family members and violated labor laws. That case prompted more criminal charges against Alamo when he called up a Fort Smith newspaper and allegedly threatened the life of the judge who heard the suit.

"But some followers of Alamo said their arrival in Tampa was coincidental to Alamo being there.

"Rick Tiner, an Alamo follower for 20 years, said he moved there without knowing that Alamo was nearby. "Other brothers of the church said it was a good area to get a new start," Tiner said. "And I had never been to Florida before. I didn't know Tony was here until after I got here."

"Federal authorities have dismissed such claims, derisively referring to the gathering of followers in Tampa as "miraculous." Prosecutor Jennings said the followers came because they are part of Alamo's "nationwide support group, . . . people who would abandon their lives to come to Tampa to harbor him."

"Blevins said task force agents located many of Alamo's known followers by checking applications for Florida driver's licenses.

[raining]

Los Angeles Times July 22, 1991



"That started nearly two months of surveillance of the followers as the agents waited to be led to Alamo. The plan paid off July 3 when agents followed a church member from the Big Time Discount hardware store to the Tampa neighborhood of Palma Ceia where comfortable houses line a network of man-made canals.

"The man they followed pulled into a driveway on San Rafael Street, where behind a sweeping front lawn stood a ranch house with a red brick facade.

"When the man left, the agents stayed. They secretly watched the house for two more days until the morning of July 5, when an overweight man with an unkempt gray beard and thick, dark glasses stepped out the front door and picked the morning newspaper up off the driveway.

"That's our subject," one of the deputy marshals whispered into his radio, a low-key report that signaled the end of Tony Alamo's run.

"A few hours later, the task force moved in."

[raining]

Hey Tony
Do you remember that forsaken feeling when the feds caught you and attached the wrist and ankels shackels to you! That was quite a site on national tv to see you in your famous shirt being led by the feds to jail!

Maybe you will remember that forsaken feeling while you served your entire sentence in a federal pen for tax evasion!

God didn't deliver you there either!

Better get your famous tie dyed shirt out of storage, you will be needing soon!

They coming to take you away for being a child pedophile and a rapist.

Like Warren Jeffs, you've arranged many marriages for under age girls (13 yrs old ) to older men ( like in their 30's and 40's).

NEWFLASH -Tony Alamo, Mister Know-it-all (NOT) It is against the law to have sex with under-age girls!

Your victims are NO LONGER AFRAID OF YOU, phoney tony alamo.

Tony Alamo You are a lying, child abusing, polygamy practicing, child pedophile, false profit, who uses God's name as a tool to force these under-age girls into your bed of whoredoms!
Tony Alamo, you lie to them and their parents stating that "God" told you they had to submit their bodies to you or they and their entire families would be kicked out of your joint and end up in hell! YOU ARE A STINKIN' LIAR - and the God of Heaven NEVER told you that!


Like the time you said "God told you Jodi was pregnant" - Jodi had to tell you - "God didn't tell you that - because she wasn't pregnant!

Like the time you said the Lord told you Jared threw the grapefruit out the bus window and kicked him out of the foundation. He didn't throw the grapefruit out the window.

So again it was NOT the God of Heaven speaking to you ton!

YOU LISTEN TO AND FOLLOWED THE VOICE OF THE LIAR!

[dyann]

FACT NOT FICTION~THIS IS CONSIDERED TORTURE IN SOME STATES!}

In 1990 The United States District Court in Fort Smith, Arkansas awarded over $1 million to Robert Miller and his family, all formerly associated with "evangelist" Tony Alamo. A key charge in the suit involved the assertion that Tony Alamo put on "public exhibitions of corporal punishment, in the form of paddling, upon minor children;

In 1990 The United States District Court in Fort Smith, Arkansas awarded over $1 million to Robert Miller and his family, all formerly associated with "evangelist" Tony Alamo. A key charge in the suit involved the assertion that Tony Alamo put on "public exhibitions of corporal punishment, in the form of paddling, upon minor children; and the proof amply showed that Kody Miller, while being restrained by four adult men, was struck vigorously 140 times with a large wooden paddle by a grown man.

The evidence further showed that this punishment was inflicted in a room filled with adults and children and was not only painful (Kody's buttocks were bleeding) but humiliating in the extreme. One of the adult witnesses[to the event[, indeed one of the principal participants, was Kody's mother." ("Judgment against Alamo," Cult Observer, September/October, 1990, p. 3).

[dyann]

I can't understand how those affiliated with this Monster who surf in here up in everyone's bidness can IGNORE this.
It's not made up. It's public legal record.
Do they have blinders on that they can't see?
Do they condone and are they duplicitous?
Do they get their collective rocks off acting like we would ever befriend them?
I'm soooo stumped for answers.

AND DON"T DROP ME ANY SCRIPTURE YOU SELF-RIGHTEOUS, MEGALOMANIAC-HYPOCRITE! I HAVE MY OWN BIBLE TO REFER TO!

[jackrussell]

Don't know about ya'll but it sure is wheel spinningly tiring even trying to convince a certain somebody of the error of his ways. There, but by the grace of God go I or any of us who have escaped the slithering grasp of the Tony Alamo, Mr. Holy Captain America false doctrine, and the dense jungle aire of life in a deceitful cult. It is just plain harmful to ones' health to even visit such a habitat of dark spiritual agreement as this Alamo cult has become.

Color it with scriptural egotism, waltz vulnerable unknowing souls thru the sinners prayer, and then immediately kill that seed with the spiritual death of damnable heresy and whatta ya got? You got the motivational speaker Tony Alamo repeatedly reinforcing 'How great I art.' And how damned you are if you do not say 'how high' when he says 'jump.'

Perhaps this is why the certain poster has 'graced' us with his appearance to remind us of the deceit we all gladly left behind, in the utter building up of 'shining on' (now there's a foundation oldie) and excusing the man of sin, Tony Alamo, for setting himself up above all law.

A product of such endorsement, is here set before us, so that we can all look in that mirror and see what manner of men and women we are, and or could have been, had we stayed in the grip of such deteriorating victory, believing in the lord Tony Alamo.

We still greatly relish the light of the fellowship, but disdain the inordinate control devised to throw souls and destroy lives via such a leadership of ab-use by such a self portrait of glory as the likes of Tony Alamo, Warren Jeffs, all others of that ilk, and those that know better, following them. Their so called ministries will be remembered as 'the high and dry,' and many things a lot worse.

So to a certain poster, take a step back, and take a good look at yourself (try reading some of your own previous posts) and try to imagine why it is that so many here question who and what you are really leading to who and what, where, why, and how.

Because, though you pray thru this, do that, tithe this, and have not charity, it means absolutely NOTHING. Needling people about their faults, real or imagined, with the dire consequences, is not that which covers a multitude, it is just an unscriptural, ulterior hidden agenda devised by the misguided seeking certain power, of which, is well shown how rogue leaders have habitually endeavored, to ply this trade. The trade of deceit, for control, division and conquest.

That false doctrine, is rejected, voted out, with a very resounding seal of disapproval by all truth seekers, that are ready, willing, and able to call a spade, a spade,

and a dangerous menace to society, Bernie Hoffman, alias Tony Alamo, and any other ID he cares to invent at the time, and those who knowingly are spineless enough to do his bidding, and assist him in the snatch of mind, body, and soul. May God have mercy on your soul, or perhaps, He won't. Not to lift up any standard, is to be eternally remiss,

so, Jesus saves, but Tony Alamo destroys.

Save yourself from his untoward generation.

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As Most of you know I was born and raised In utah In a mormon foster home . I have contacted some folks there that are getting some info together for me to find the right way to go about this situation.
Judge James Shumate instructed jurors that under Utah law, a 14-year-old can consent to sex in some circumstances. But there can be no consent, the judge said, if a person under 18 is coerced by someone at least three years older. Someone can be found guilty if he or she holds a position of “special trust” over another person under 18, the judge instructed.
These people told me that there is a law term used called: alter ego. meaning any one that holds a leading role of instruction to its members or followers is in fact responcible for the members acts.weather legal or civil.
Wall spent three days on the stand, frequently sobbing as she described how she felt trapped in a marriage she did not want, to a man she did not like. She said she repeatedly told Jeffs that she did not want to be married and was uncomfortable with her new husband’s sexual advances. Jeffs advised her to pray and to submit to her husband, learn to love him, and bear his children — or risk losing her “eternal salvation,” she said. hold on more to come

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I saw the post by Razzor at the beginning of this thread. I also did a "fly-by" up Sierra Hwy on Fri 9/21. Noticed two late model black SUV's one at #5 and one at the church. Looked like Lincoln Navagators or Caddy Esclades. Also what looked like an outside crew examining the roadhouse at #7 for rot or termites. Every time I'm out that way I do a "fly-by" .Never know what you might see.....

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ARKANSAS LAW Code:5-14-110
. Sexual indecency with a child.

(a) A person commits sexual indecency with a child if:
(1) Being eighteen (18) years of age or older, the person solicits another person who is less than fifteen (15) years of age or who is represented to be less than fifteen (15) years of age to engage in:

(A) Sexual intercourse;

(B) Deviate sexual activity; or

(C) Sexual contact;

(2)(A) With the purpose to arouse or gratify a sexual desire of himself or herself or a sexual desire of any other person, the person purposely exposes his or her sex organs to another person who is less than fifteen (15) years of age.

(B) It is an affirmative defense to a prosecution under subdivision (a)(2)(A) of this section if the person is within three (3) years of age of the victim; or

(3) Being eighteen (18) years of age or older, the person causes or coerces another person who is less than fourteen (14) years of age to expose his or her sex organs or the breast of a female with the purpose to arouse or gratify a sexual desire of himself, herself, or another person.

(b) Sexual indecency with a child is a Class D felony.


History. Acts 1975, No. 280, § 1810; A.S.A. 1947, § 41-1810; Acts 1995, No. 550, § 1; 2001, No. 1821, § 1; 2005, No. 1993, § 1.

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Code: 5-14-124. Sexual assault in the first degree.

(a) A person commits sexual assault in the first degree if the person engages in sexual intercourse or deviate sexual activity with another person who is less than eighteen (18) years of age and is not the actor's spouse and the actor is:
(1) Employed with the Department of Correction, the Department of Community Correction, the Department of Health and Human Services, or any city or county jail or a juvenile detention facility, and the victim is in the custody of the Department of Correction, the Department of Community Correction, the Department of Health and Human Services, any city or county jail or juvenile detention facility, or their contractors or agents;

(2) A professional under § 12-12-507(b) and is in a position of trust or authority over the victim and uses the position of trust or authority to engage in sexual intercourse or deviate sexual activity; or

(3) An employee in the victim's school or school district, a temporary caretaker, or a person in a position of trust or authority over the victim.

(b) It is no defense to a prosecution under this section that the victim consented to the conduct.

(c) It is an affirmative defense to a prosecution under subdivision (a)(3) of this section that the actor was not more than three (3) years older than the victim.

(d) Sexual assault in the first degree is a Class A felony.


History. Acts 2001, No. 1738, § 2; 2003, No. 1391, § 1; 2003, No. 1469, § 2.

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CODE12-12-507. Reports of suspected abuse or neglect.

(a) Any person with reasonable cause to suspect child maltreatment or that a child has died as a result of child maltreatment, or who observes a child being subjected to conditions or circumstances that would reasonably result in child maltreatment, may immediately notify the child abuse hotline.
(b) When any of the following has reasonable cause to suspect that a child has been subjected to child maltreatment or has died as a result of child maltreatment or observes a child being subjected to conditions or circumstances that would reasonably result in child maltreatment, he or she shall immediately notify the child abuse hotline:

(1) Any child care worker or foster care worker;

(2) A coroner;

(3) A day care center worker;

(4) A dentist;

(5) A dental hygienist;

(6) A domestic abuse advocate;

(7) A domestic violence shelter employee;

(8) A domestic violence shelter volunteer;

(9) An employee of the Department of Health and Human Services;

(10) An employee working under contract for the Division of Youth Services of the Department of Health and Human Services;

(11) Any foster parent;

(12) A judge;

(13) A law enforcement official;

(14) A licensed nurse;

(15) Any medical personnel who may be engaged in the admission, examination, care, or treatment of persons;

(16) A mental health professional;

(17) An osteopath;

(18) A peace officer;

(19) A physician;

(20) A prosecuting attorney;

(21) A resident intern;

(22) A school counselor;

(23) A school official;

(24) A social worker;

(25) A surgeon;

(26) A teacher;

(27) A court-appointed special advocate program staff member or volunteer;

(28) A juvenile intake or probation officer; or

(29) Any clergyman, which includes a minister, priest, rabbi, accredited Christian Science practitioner, or other similar functionary of a religious organization, or an individual reasonably believed to be so by the person consulting him or her, except to the extent he or she:

(A) Has acquired knowledge of suspected maltreatment through communications required to be kept confidential pursuant to the religious discipline of the relevant denomination or faith; or

(B) Received the knowledge of the suspected maltreatment from the offender in the context of a statement of admission.

(c) No privilege or contract shall prevent anyone from reporting child maltreatment when he or she is a mandated reporter as required by this section.

(d)(1) If the child abuse hotline receives notification that a client or a resident of any facility licensed or registered by the State of Arkansas has been subjected to child maltreatment while at the facility, then the Department of Health and Human Services shall immediately notify the facility's licensing or registering authority of the child abuse hotline's receipt of initial notification of suspected maltreatment.

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(2) The Department of Health and Human Services may notify a school's superintendent, principal, or a person in an equivalent position of the child abuse hotline's receipt of initial notification of suspected maltreatment if:

(A) The child abuse hotline receives notification that a public or private school employee or volunteer having direct or unsupervised contact with children has been identified as an alleged offender in a report of suspected child maltreatment; and

(B) The Department of Health and Human Services has determined that children under the care of the alleged offender appear to be at risk of maltreatment by the alleged offender.

(3) The Department of Health and Human Services may notify an alleged offender's employer or a person in charge of an activity of the child abuse hotline's receipt of initial notification of suspected maltreatment if:

(A) The child abuse hotline receives notification that a report has been received on a person who is engaged in child-related activities or employment and that person has been named as an alleged offender; and

(B) The Department of Health and Human Services has determined that children under the care of the alleged offender appear to be at risk of maltreatment by the alleged offender.

(4) The Department of Health and Human Services shall promulgate rules that will ensure that notification required under this subsection is specifically approved by a responsible manager in the Department of Health and Human Services before the notification is made.

(e)(1) When a person, agency, corporation, or partnership then providing substitute care for any child in the custody of the Department of Health and Human Services or a Department of Health and Human Services employee or employee's spouse or other person residing in the home is reported as being suspected of child maltreatment, the investigation shall be conducted pursuant to procedures established by the Department of Health and Human Services.

(2)(A) Such procedures shall include referral of allegations to the Department of Arkansas State Police or appropriate law enforcement agency should the allegation involve severe maltreatment.

(B) The investigating agency shall immediately notify local law enforcement of all reports of severe maltreatment.

(f)(1) The child abuse hotline shall accept a report when the allegations, if true, would constitute child maltreatment as defined in § 12-12-503 and so long as sufficient identifying information is provided to identify and locate the child or the family.

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(2) The child abuse hotline shall accept a report of physical abuse if any of the following intentional or knowing acts are alleged to occur, but the report shall not be determined to be true unless the child suffered an injury as the result of the act:

(A) Throwing, kicking, burning, biting, or cutting a child;

(B) Striking a child with a closed fist;

(C) Shaking a child age four (4) or older; or

(D) Striking a child age seven (7) or older on the face or on the head.

(3) The child abuse hotline shall accept a report of physical abuse if any of the following intentional or knowing acts are alleged to occur:

(A) Shaking a child age three (3) or younger;

(B) Striking a child age six (6) or younger on the face or on the head;

(C) Interfering with a child's breathing; or

(D) Pinching, biting, or striking a child in the genital area.

(4)(A) The child abuse hotline shall accept a report of physical abuse if a child suffers an injury as the result of a restraint.

(B) The report shall be determined not to be true if the injury is a minor temporary mark or causes transient pain and was an acceptable restraint as provided in § 12-12-503(2)(C)(ii).

(5)(A) The child abuse hotline shall accept a report of physical abuse involving a bruise to a child even if at the time of the report the bruise is not visible if the bruising occurred:

(i) Within the past fourteen (14) days; and

(ii) As a result of physical abuse as described in subdivisions (f)(1)-(4) of this section.

(B) However, the report shall not be determined to be true unless the existence of the bruise is corroborated.

(6) The child abuse hotline shall accept a report of neglect as defined under § 12-12-503(12)(B) only if the reporter is one (1) of the following mandatory reporters and the reporter has reasonable cause to suspect that a child has been subjected to neglect as defined under § 12-12-503(12)(B):

(A) A licensed nurse;

(B) Any medical personnel who may be engaged in the admission, examination, care, or treatment of persons;

(C) An osteopath;

(D) A physician;

(E) A resident intern; or

(F) A surgeon.

(7) The child abuse hotline shall accept a report of child maltreatment naming an adult as the victim only if:

(A) The alleged offender is a caretaker of a child; and

(B) The person making the report is one (1) of the following:

(i) The adult victim;

(ii) A law enforcement officer;

(iii) The adult victim's counselor or therapist; or

(iv) The alleged offender's counselor or therapist.

(g)(1) The child abuse hotline shall accept a report if the child or the child's family is present in Arkansas or the incident occurred in Arkansas.

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(2) If the child or the child's family resides in another state, the child abuse hotline shall screen out the report, transfer the report to the child abuse hotline of the state where the child or the child's family resides or the incident occurred, and, if requested by the other state's investigating agency, send a copy to the appropriate investigating agency in Arkansas to initiate interviews.

(3) If the incident occurred in Arkansas and the victim, offender, or parents no longer reside in Arkansas, the child abuse hotline shall accept the report and the Arkansas investigating agency shall contact the other state and request assistance in completing the investigation, including an interview with the out-of-state subject of the report.

(4)(A) If the child abuse hotline receives a report and the alleged offender is a resident of the State of Arkansas and the report of child maltreatment in the state or country in which the act occurred would also be child maltreatment in Arkansas at the time the incident occurred, the child abuse hotline shall refer the report to the appropriate investigating agency within the state so that the Arkansas investigative agency can investigate, alone or in concert with, the investigative agency of any other state or country that may be involved.

(B) The Arkansas investigating agency shall make an investigative determination and shall provide notice to the alleged offender that, if the allegation is determined to be true, the offender's name will be placed in the central registry.

(C) The other state may also conduct an investigation in this state that results in the offender's being named in a true report in that state and placed in the central registry of that state.

(h) The child abuse hotline shall accept telephone calls or other communications alleging that a child is dependent-neglected, as defined in § 9-27-303(17), and shall immediately refer this information to the Department of Health and Human Services.


History. Acts 1991, No. 1208, §§ 3, 4; 1993, No. 1126, § 6; 1995, No. 1341, §§ 7, 8; 1999, No. 214, § 1; 2001, No. 1210, § 5; 2001, No. 1236, § 1; 2003, No. 758, §§ 7-9; 2003, No. 1039, § 1; 2005, No. 912, § 1; 2005, No. 1176, § 5; 2005, No. 1706, §§ 6-8.

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9-27-303. Definitions.


As used in this subchapter:
(1) "Abandoned infant" means a juvenile less than nine (9) months of age whose parent, guardian, or custodian left the child alone or in the possession of another person without identifying information or with an expression of intent by words, actions, or omissions not to return for the infant;

(2) "Abandonment" means the failure of the parent to provide reasonable support and to maintain regular contact with the juvenile through statement or contact when the failure is accompanied by an intention on the part of the parent to permit the condition to continue for an indefinite period in the future and failure to support or maintain regular contact with the juvenile without just cause or an articulated intent to forego parental responsibility;

(3)(A) "Abuse" means any of the following acts or omissions by a parent, guardian, custodian, foster parent, person eighteen (18) years of age or older living in the home with a child, whether related or unrelated to the child, or any person who is entrusted with the juvenile's care by a parent, guardian, custodian, or foster parent, including, but not limited to, an agent or employee of a public or private residential home, child care facility, public or private school, or any person legally responsible for the juvenile's welfare:

(i) Extreme or repeated cruelty to a juvenile;

(ii) Engaging in conduct creating a realistic and serious threat of death, permanent or temporary disfigurement, or impairment of any bodily organ;

(iii) Injury to a juvenile's intellectual, emotional, or psychological development as evidenced by observable and substantial impairment of the juvenile's ability to function within the juvenile's normal range of performance and behavior;

(iv) Any injury that is at variance with the history given;

(v) Any nonaccidental physical injury;

(vi) Any of the following intentional or knowing acts, with physical injury and without justifiable cause:
(a) Throwing, kicking, burning, biting, or cutting a child;
(b) Striking a child with a closed fist;
(c) Shaking a child; or
(d) Striking a child on the face; or

(vii) Any of the following intentional or knowing acts, with or without physical injury:
(a) Striking a child six (6) years of age or younger on the face or head;
(b) Shaking a child three (3) years of age or younger;
(c) Interfering with a child's breathing;
(d) Urinating or defecating on a child;
(e) Pinching, biting, or striking a child in the genital area;
(f) Tying a child to a fixed or heavy object or binding or tying a child's limbs together;
(g) Giving a child or permitting a child to consume or inhale a poisonous or noxious substance not prescribed by a physician that has the capacity to interfere with normal physiological functions;
(h) Giving a child or permitting a child to consume or inhale a substance not prescribed by a physician that has the capacity to alter the mood of the child, including, but not limited to, the following:

(1) Marijuana;

(2) Alcohol, excluding alcohol given to a child during a recognized and established religious ceremony or service;

(3) Narcotics; or

(4) Over-the-counter

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(4) Over-the-counter drugs if a person purposely administers an overdose to a child or purposely gives an inappropriate over-the-counter drug to a child and the child is detrimentally impacted by the overdose or over-the-counter drug;

(i) Exposing a child to chemicals that have the capacity to interfere with normal physiological functions, including, but not limited to, chemicals used or generated during the manufacturing of methamphetamine; or
(j) Subjecting a child to Munchausen syndrome by proxy, also known as factitious illness by proxy, when reported and confirmed by medical personnel or a medical facility.

(B)(i) The list in subdivision (3)(A) of this section is illustrative of unreasonable action and is not intended to be exclusive.

(ii) No unreasonable action shall be construed to permit a finding of abuse without having established the elements of abuse.

(C) "Abuse" shall not include:

(i) Physical discipline of a child when it is reasonable and moderate and is inflicted by a parent or guardian for purposes of restraining or correcting the child; or

(ii) Instances when a child suffers transient pain or minor temporary marks as the result of a reasonable restraint if:
(a) The person exercising the restraint is an employee of an agency licensed or exempted from licensure under the Child Welfare Agency Licensing Act, § 9-28-401 et seq.;
(b) The agency has policies and procedures regarding restraints;
(c) No other alternative exists to control the child except for a restraint;
(d) The child is in danger of hurting himself or herself or others;
(e) The person exercising the restraint has been trained in properly restraining children, de-escalation, and conflict resolution techniques; and
(f) The restraint is for a reasonable period of time.

(iii) Reasonable and moderate physical discipline inflicted by a parent or guardian shall not include any act that is likely to cause and which does cause injury more serious than transient pain or minor temporary marks.

(iv) The age, size, and condition of the child and the location of the injury and the frequency or recurrence of injuries shall be considered when determining whether the physical discipline is reasonable or moderate;

(4) "Adjudication hearing" means a hearing to determine whether the allegations in a petition are substantiated by the proof;

(5) "Adult sentence" means punishment authorized by the Arkansas Criminal Code, § 5-1-101 et seq., subject to the limitations in § 9-27-507, for the act or acts for which the juvenile was adjudicated delinquent as an extended juvenile jurisdiction offender;

(6) "Aggravated circumstances" means:

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(6) "Aggravated circumstances" means:

(A) A child has been abandoned, chronically abused, subjected to extreme or repeated cruelty, or sexually abused, or a determination has been made by a judge that there is little likelihood that services to the family will result in successful reunification; or

(B) A child has been removed from the custody of the parent or guardian and placed in foster care or in the custody of another person more than three (3) times in the last fifteen (15) months;

(7) "Attorney ad litem" means an attorney appointed to represent the best interest of a juvenile;

(8) "Caretaker" means a parent, guardian, custodian, foster parent, or any person ten (10) years of age or older who is entrusted with a child's care by a parent, guardian, custodian, or foster parent, including, but not limited to, an agent or employee of a public or private residential home, child care facility, public or private school, or any person responsible for a child's welfare;

(9) "Case plan" means a document setting forth the plan for services for a juvenile and his or her family, as described in § 9-27-402;

(10)(A) "Cash assistance" means short-term financial assistance.

(B) "Cash assistance" does not include long-term financial assistance or financial assistance that is the equivalent of the board payment or adoption subsidy;

(11) "Commitment" means an order of the court that places a juvenile in the custody of the Division of Youth Services of the Department of Health and Human Services for placement in a youth services facility;

(12) "Court" means the juvenile division of circuit court;

(13) "Court-appointed special advocate" means a volunteer appointed by the court to provide services to juveniles in dependency-neglect proceedings;

(14) "Custodian" means a person other than a parent or legal guardian who stands in loco parentis to the juvenile or a person, agency, or institution to whom a court of competent jurisdiction has given custody of a juvenile by court order;

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(15) "Delinquent juvenile" means any juvenile:

(A) Ten (10) years old or older who has committed an act other than a traffic offense or game and fish violation which, if the act had been committed by an adult, would subject the adult to prosecution for a felony, misdemeanor, or violation under the applicable criminal laws of this state or who has violated § 5-73-119; or

(B) Any juvenile charged with capital murder, § 5-10-101, or murder in the first degree, § 5-10-102, subject to extended juvenile jurisdiction;

(16)(A) "Department" means the Department of Health and Human Services and its divisions and programs.

(B) Unless otherwise stated in this subchapter, any reference to the department shall include all of its divisions and programs;

(17) "Dependent juvenile" means:

(A) A child of a parent who is under eighteen (18) years of age and is in the custody of the department;

(B) A child whose parent or guardian is incarcerated and the parent or guardian has no appropriate relative or friend willing or able to provide care for the child;

(C) A child whose parent or guardian is incapacitated, whether temporarily or permanently, so that the parent or guardian cannot provide care for the juvenile and the parent or guardian has no appropriate relative or friend willing or able to provide care for the child;

(D) A child whose custodial parent dies and no stand-by guardian exists;

(E) A child who is an infant relinquished to the custody of the department for the sole purpose of adoption;

(F) A safe-haven baby, § 9-34-201 et seq.; or

(G) A child who has disrupted his or her adoption, and the adoptive parents have exhausted resources available to them;

(18)(A) "Dependent-neglected juvenile" means any juvenile who is at substantial risk of serious harm as a result of:

(i) Abandonment;

(ii) Abuse;

(iii) Sexual abuse;

(iv) Sexual exploitation;

(v) Neglect;

(vi) Parental unfitness to the juvenile, a sibling, or another juvenile; or

(vii) Being present in a dwelling or structure during the manufacturing of methamphetamine with the knowledge of his or her parent, guardian, or custodian.

(B) "Dependent-neglected juvenile" includes dependent juveniles;

(19) "Detention" means the temporary care of a juvenile in

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(19) "Detention" means the temporary care of a juvenile in a physically restricting facility other than a jail or lock-up used for the detention of adults prior to an adjudication hearing for delinquency or pending commitment pursuant to an adjudication of delinquency;

(20) "Detention hearing" means a hearing held to determine whether a juvenile accused or adjudicated of committing a delinquent act or acts should be released or held prior to adjudication or disposition;

(21) "Deviant sexual activity" means any act of sexual gratification involving:

(A) Penetration, however slight, of the anus or mouth of one (1) person by the penis of another person; or

(B) Penetration, however slight, of the labia majora or anus of one (1) person by any body member or foreign instrument manipulated by another person;

(22) "Disposition hearing" means a hearing held following an adjudication hearing to determine what action will be taken in delinquency, family in need of services, or dependency-neglect cases;

(23) "Extended juvenile jurisdiction offender" means a juvenile designated to be subject to juvenile disposition and an adult sentence imposed by the court;

(24) "Family in need of services" means any family whose juvenile evidences behavior that includes, but is not limited to, the following:

(A) Being habitually and without justification absent from school while subject to compulsory school attendance;

(B) Being habitually disobedient to the reasonable and lawful commands of his or her parent, guardian, or custodian; or

(C) Having absented himself or herself from the juvenile's home without sufficient cause, permission, or justification;

(25)(A) "Family services" means relevant services provided to a juvenile or his or her family, including, but not limited to:

(i) Child care;

(ii) Homemaker services;

(iii) Crisis counseling;

(iv) Cash assistance;

(v) Transportation;

(vi) Family therapy;

(vii) Physical, psychiatric, or psychological evaluation;

(viii) Counseling; or

(ix) Treatment.

(B) Family services are provided in order to:

(i) Prevent a juvenile from being removed from a parent, guardian, or custodian;

(ii) Reunite the juvenile with the parent, guardian, or custodian from whom the juvenile has been removed; or

(iii) Implement a permanent plan of adoption, guardianship, or rehabilitation of the juvenile;

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(26) "Fast track" means that reunification services will not be provided or will be terminated before twelve (12) months of services;

(27)(A) "Forcible compulsion" means physical force, intimidation, or a threat, express or implied, of death, physical injury to, rape, sexual abuse, or kidnapping of any person.

(B) If the act was committed against the will of the juvenile, then "forcible compulsion" has been used.

(C) The age, developmental stage, and stature of the victim and the relationship of the victim to the assailant, as well as the threat of deprivation of affection, rights, and privileges from the victim by the assailant shall be considered in weighing the sufficiency of the evidence to prove compulsion;

(28) "Guardian" means any person, agency, or institution, as defined by § 28-65-101 et seq., whom a court of competent jurisdiction has so appointed;

(29)(A) "Home study" means a written report that is obtained after an investigation of a home by the department or other appropriate persons or agencies and which shall conform to regulations established by the department.

(B)(i) An in-state home study, excluding the results of a criminal records check, shall be completed and presented to the requesting court within thirty (30) working days of the receipt of the request for the home study.

(ii) The results of the criminal records check shall be provided to the court as soon as they are received;

(30) "Indecent exposure" means the exposure by a person of the person's sexual organs for the purpose of arousing or gratifying the sexual desire of the person or any other person, under circumstances in which the person knows the conduct is likely to cause affront or alarm;

(31) "Independence" means that:

(A)(i) A permanency planning hearing disposition for the juvenile who will not be reunited with his or her family because another permanent plan is not available; and

(ii) A compelling reason exists why termination of parental rights is not in the juvenile's best interest; or

(B) The juvenile is being cared for by a relative and termination of parental rights is not in the best interest of the juvenile;

(32) "Juvenile" means an individual who is:

(A) From birth to eighteen (18) years of age, whether married or single; or

(B) Adjudicated delinquent, a juvenile member of a family in need of services, or dependent or dependent-neglected by the juvenile division of the circuit court prior to eighteen (18) years of age and for whom the juvenile division of the circuit court retains jurisdiction;

(33) "Juvenile detention facility" means any facility for the temporary care of juveniles alleged to be delinquent, or adjudicated delinquent and awaiting disposition, who require secure custody in a physically restricting facility designed and operated with all entrances and exits under the exclusive control of the facility's staff, so that a juvenile may not leave the facility unsupervised or without permission;

(34) "Law enforcement officer" means any public servant vested by law with a duty to maintain public order or to make arrests for offenses;

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(35) "Miranda rights" means the requirement set out in Miranda v. Arizona, 384 U.S. 436 (1966), for law enforcement officers to clearly inform an accused, including a juvenile taken into custody for a delinquent act or a criminal offense, that the juvenile has the right to remain silent, that anything the juvenile says will be used against him or her in court, that the juvenile has the right to consult with a lawyer and to have the lawyer with him or her during interrogation, and that, if the juvenile is indigent, a lawyer will be appointed to represent him or her;

(36)(A) "Neglect" means those acts or omissions of a parent, guardian, custodian, foster parent, or any person who is entrusted with the juvenile's care by a parent, custodian, guardian, or foster parent, including, but not limited to, an agent or employee of a public or private residential home, child care facility, public or private school, or any person legally responsible under state law for the juvenile's welfare, which constitute:

(i) Failure or refusal to prevent the abuse of the juvenile when the person knows or has reasonable cause to know the juvenile is or has been abused;

(ii) Failure or refusal to provide the necessary food, clothing, shelter, and education required by law, excluding failure to follow an individualized education program, or medical treatment necessary for the juvenile's well-being, except when the failure or refusal is caused primarily by the financial inability of the person legally responsible and no services for relief have been offered;

(iii) Failure to take reasonable action to protect the juvenile from abandonment, abuse, sexual abuse, sexual exploitation, neglect, or parental unfitness when the existence of this condition was known or should have been known;

(iv) Failure or irremediable inability to provide for the essential and necessary physical, mental, or emotional needs of the juvenile, including failure to provide a shelter that does not pose a risk to the health or safety of the juvenile;

(v) Failure to provide for the juvenile's care and maintenance, proper or necessary support, or medical, surgical, or other necessary care;

(vi) Failure, although able, to assume responsibility for the care and custody of the juvenile or to participate in a plan to assume the responsibility; or

(vii) Failure to appropriately supervise the juvenile that results in the juvenile's being left alone at an inappropriate age or in inappropriate circumstances, creating a dangerous situation or a situation that puts the juvenile at risk of harm.

(B)(i) "Neglect" shall also include the causing of a newborn child's being born with:
(a) An illegal substance present in the newborn's bodily fluids or bodily substances as a result of the pregnant mother's knowingly using an illegal substance before the birth of the newborn; or
(b) A health problem as a result of the pregnant mother's use before birth of an illegal substance.

(ii) For the purposes of this subdivision (36)(B), "illegal substance" means a drug that is prohibited to be used or possessed without a prescription under the Arkansas Criminal Code, § 5-1-101 et seq.

(iii) A test of the child's bodily fluids or bodily substances may be used as evidence to establish neglect under subdivision (36)(B)(i)(a) of this section.

(iv) A test of the mother's bodily fluids or bodily substances or the child's bodily fluids or bodily substances may be used as evidence to establish neglect under subdivision (36)(B)(i)(b) of this section;

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(37)(A) "Notice of hearing" means a notice that describes the nature of the hearing, the time, date, and place of hearing, the right to be present, heard, and represented by counsel, and instructions on how to apply to the court for appointment of counsel if indigent, or a uniform notice as developed and prescribed by the Arkansas Supreme Court.

(B) The notice of hearing shall be served in the manner provided for service under the Arkansas Rules of Civil Procedure;

(38) "Order to appear" means an order issued by the court directing a person who may be subject to the court's jurisdiction to appear before the court at a date and time as set forth in the order;

(39)(A) "Out-of-home placement" means:

(i) Placement in a home or facility other than placement in a youth services center, a detention facility, or the home of a parent or guardian of the juvenile; or

(ii) Placement in the home of an individual other than a parent or guardian, not including any placement when the court has ordered that the placement be made permanent and ordered that no further reunification services or six-month reviews are required.

(B) "Out-of-home placement" shall not include placement in a youth services center or detention facility as a result of a finding of delinquency;

(40) "Parent" means a biological mother, an adoptive parent, or a man to whom the biological mother was married at the time of conception or birth or who has signed an acknowledgment of paternity pursuant to § 9-10-120 or who has been found by a court of competent jurisdiction to be the biological father of the juvenile;

(41) "Paternity hearing" means a proceeding brought pursuant to bastardy jurisdiction to determine the biological father of a juvenile;

(42) "Pornography" means:

(A) Pictures, movies, and videos lacking serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value that when taken as a whole and applying contemporary community standards would appear to the average person to appeal to the prurient interest;

(B) Material that depicts sexual conduct in a patently offensive manner lacking serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value; or

(C) Obscene or licentious material;

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(42) "Pornography" means:

(A) Pictures, movies, and videos lacking serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value that when taken as a whole and applying contemporary community standards would appear to the average person to appeal to the prurient interest;

(B) Material that depicts sexual conduct in a patently offensive manner lacking serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value; or

(C) Obscene or licentious material;

(43)(A) "Predisposition report" means a report concerning the juvenile, the family of the juvenile, all possible disposition alternatives, the location of the school in which the juvenile is or was last enrolled, whether the juvenile has been tested for or has been found to have any disability, the name of the juvenile's attorney, and, if appointed by the court, the date of the appointment, any participation by the juvenile or his or her family in counseling services previously or currently being provided in conjunction with adjudication of the juvenile, and any other matters relevant to the efforts to provide treatment to the juvenile or the need for treatment of the juvenile or the family.

(B) The predisposition report shall include a home study of any out-of-home placement that may be part of the disposition;

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(43)(A) "Predisposition report" means a report concerning the juvenile, the family of the juvenile, all possible disposition alternatives, the location of the school in which the juvenile is or was last enrolled, whether the juvenile has been tested for or has been found to have any disability, the name of the juvenile's attorney, and, if appointed by the court, the date of the appointment, any participation by the juvenile or his or her family in counseling services previously or currently being provided in conjunction with adjudication of the juvenile, and any other matters relevant to the efforts to provide treatment to the juvenile or the need for treatment of the juvenile or the family.

(B) The predisposition report shall include a home study of any out-of-home placement that may be part of the disposition;

(44) "Prosecuting attorney" means an attorney who is elected as district prosecuting attorney, the duly appointed deputy prosecuting attorney, or any city prosecuting attorney;

(45) "Putative father" means any man not deemed or adjudicated under the laws of the jurisdiction of the United States to be the biological father of a juvenile who claims or is alleged to be the biological father of the juvenile;

(46)(A)(i) "Reasonable efforts" means efforts to preserve the family prior to the placement of a child in foster care to prevent the need for removing the child from his or her home and efforts to reunify a family made after a child is placed out of home to make it possible for him or her to safely return home.

(ii) Reasonable efforts shall also be made to obtain permanency for a child who has been in an out-of-home placement for more than twelve (12) months or for fifteen (15) of the previous twenty-two (22) months.

(iii) In determining whether or not to remove a child from a home or return a child back to a home, the child's health and safety shall be the paramount concern.

(iv) The department or other appropriate agency shall exercise reasonable diligence and care to utilize all available services related to meeting the needs of the juvenile and the family.

(B) The juvenile division of circuit court may deem that reasonable efforts have been made when the court has found that the first contact by the department occurred during an emergency in which the child could not safely remain at home, even with reasonable services being provided.

(C) Reasonable efforts to reunite a child with his or her parent or parents shall not be required in all cases. Specifically, reunification shall not be required if a court of competent jurisdiction, including the juvenile division of circuit court, has determined by clear and convincing evidence that the parent has:

(i) Subjected the child to aggravated circumstances;

(ii) Committed murder of any child;

(iii) Committed voluntary manslaughter of any child;

(iv) Aided or abetted, attempted, conspired, or solicited to commit such a murder or such a voluntary manslaughter;

(v) Committed a felony battery or assault that results in serious bodily injury to any child;

(vi) Had the parental rights involuntarily terminated as to a sibling of the child; or

(vii) Abandoned an infant as defined in subdivision (1) of this section.

(D) Reasonable efforts to place a child for adoption or with a legal guardian or permanent custodian may be made concurrently with reasonable efforts to reunite a child with his or her family;

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(47) "Residence" means:

(A) The place where the juvenile is domiciled; or

(B) The permanent place of abode where the juvenile spends an aggregate of more than six (6) months of the year;

(48)(A) "Restitution" means actual economic loss sustained by an individual or entity as a proximate result of the delinquent acts of a juvenile.

(B) Such economic loss shall include, but not be limited to, medical expenses, funeral expenses, expenses incurred for counseling services, lost wages, and expenses for repair or replacement of property;

(49) "Sexual abuse" means:

(A) By a person ten (10) years of age or older to a person younger than eighteen (18) years of age:

(i) Sexual intercourse, deviant sexual activity, or sexual contact by forcible compulsion;

(ii) Attempted sexual intercourse or deviant sexual activity or sexual contact by forcible compulsion;

(iii) Indecent exposure; or

(iv) Forcing the watching of pornography or live human sexual activity;

(B) By a person eighteen (18) years of age or older to a person who is younger than sixteen (16) years of age and is not his or her spouse:

(i) Sexual intercourse, deviant sexual activity, or sexual contact; or

(ii) Attempted sexual intercourse, deviant sexual activity, or sexual contact;

(C) By a sibling or caretaker to a person younger than eighteen (18) years of age:

(i) Sexual intercourse, deviant sexual activity, or sexual contact; or

(ii) Attempted sexual intercourse, deviant sexual activity, or sexual contact;

(D) By a caretaker to a person younger than eighteen (18) years of age:

(i) Forcing or encouraging the watching of pornography; or

(ii) Forcing, permitting, or encouraging the watching of live sexual activity; or

(E) By a person younger than ten (10) years of age to a person younger than eighteen (18) years of age:

(i) Sexual intercourse, deviant sexual activity, or sexual contact by forcible compulsion; or

(ii) Attempted sexual intercourse, deviant sexual activity, or sexual contact by forcible compulsion;

(50)(A) "Sexual contact" means any act of sexual gratification involving:

(i) Touching, directly or through clothing, of the sex organs, buttocks, or anus of a juvenile or the breast of a female juvenile;

(ii) Encouraging the juvenile to touch the offender in a sexual manner; or

(iii) Requesting the offender to touch the juvenile in a sexual manner.

(B) Evidence of sexual gratification may be inferred from the attendant circumstances surrounding the investigation of the specific complaint of child maltreatment.

(C) Nothing in this section shall permit normal, affectionate hugging to be construed as sexual contact;


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[d_eddy]

(51) "Sexual exploitation" includes:

(A) Allowing, permitting, or encouraging participation or depiction of the juvenile in:

(i) Prostitution;

(ii) Obscene photographing; or

(iii) Obscene filming; or

(B) Obscenely depicting, obscenely posing, or obscenely posturing a juvenile for any use or purpose;

(52) "Shelter care" means the temporary care of a juvenile in physically unrestricting facilities pursuant to an order for placement pending or pursuant to an adjudication of dependency-neglect or family in need of services;

(53) "Trial placement" means that custody of the juvenile remains with the department, but the juvenile is returned to the home of a parent for a period not to exceed thirty (30) days;

(54) "UCCJA" means the Uniform Child Custody Jurisdiction Act, § 9-13-201 et seq. [repealed];

(55) "UCCJEA" means the Uniform Child-Custody Jurisdiction and Enforcement Act, § 9-19-101 et seq.;

(56) "UIFSA" means the Uniform Interstate Family Support Act, § 9-17-101 et seq.;

(57) "Victim" means any person or entity entitled to restitution as defined in subdivision (48) of this section as the result of a delinquent act committed by a juvenile adjudicated delinquent;

(58) "Voluntary relinquishment of custody" means a written agreement between a parent and the department for the temporary placement of a child in an out-of-home placement pursuant to § 9-27-340 [repealed];

(59) "Youth services center" means a youth services facility operated by the state or a contract provider; and

(60) "Youth services facility" means a facility operated by the state or its designee for the care of juveniles who have been adjudicated delinquent or convicted of a crime and who require secure custody in either a physically restrictive facility or a staff-secured facility operated so that a juvenile may not leave the facility unsupervised or without supervision.


History. Acts 1989, No. 273, § 3; 1993, No. 468, § 4; 1993, No. 1126, §§ 1, 2; 1993, No. 1227, § 1; 1994 (2nd Ex. Sess.), No. 11, § 1; 1994 (2nd Ex. Sess.), No. 36, § 1; 1995, No. 532, §§ 1-4; 1995, No. 804, § 1; 1995, No. 811, § 2; 1995, No. 1261, § 13; 1997, No. 208, § 8; 1997, No. 1227, § 1; 1999, No. 401, §§ 2-4; 1999, No. 1192, § 12; 1999, No. 1340, §§ 1-7, 35; 2001, No. 1503, § 1; 2001, No. 1610, § 1; 2003, No. 1166, § 2; 2003, No. 1319, §§ 1-8; 2005, No. 1176, § 3; 2005, No. 1191, § 1; 2005, No. 1990, § 1.



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[d_eddy]

5-1-109. Statute of limitations.

(a) A prosecution for murder may be commenced at any time.
(b) Except as otherwise provided in this section, a prosecution for another offense shall be commenced within the following periods of limitation after the offense's commission:

(1)(A) Class Y felony or Class A felony, six (6) years.

(B) However, for rape, § 5-14-103, the period of limitation may be extended to fifteen (15) years during which extended time a prosecution for rape may be commenced if based upon forensic deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA) testing or another test that may become available through an advance in technology;

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(2) Class B felony, Class C felony, Class D felony, or an unclassified felony, three (3) years; and

(3) Misdemeanor or violation, one (1) year.

(c) If the period prescribed in subsection (b) of this section has expired, a prosecution may nevertheless be commenced for:

(1) Any offense involving either fraud or breach of a fiduciary obligation, within one (1) year after the offense is discovered or should reasonably have been discovered by an aggrieved party or by a person who has a legal duty to represent an aggrieved party and who is himself or herself not a party to the offense; and

(2)(A) Any offense that is concealed involving felonious conduct in office by a public servant at any time within five (5) years after he or she leaves public office or employment or within five (5) years after the offense is discovered or should reasonably have been discovered, whichever is sooner.

(B) However, in no event does this subdivision (c)(2) extend the period of limitation by more than ten (10) years after the commission of the offense.

(d) A defendant may be convicted of any offense included in the offense charged, notwithstanding that the period of limitation has expired for the included offense, if as to the offense charged the period of limitation has not expired or there is no period of limitation, and there is sufficient evidence to sustain a conviction for the offense charged.

(e)(1) For the purposes of this section, an offense is committed either when:

(A) Every element occurs; or

(B) If a legislative purpose to prohibit a continuing course of conduct plainly appears, at the time the course of conduct or the defendant's complicity in the course of conduct is terminated.

(2) Time starts to run on the day after the offense is committed.

(f) A prosecution is commenced when an arrest warrant or other process is issued based on an indictment, information, or other charging instrument if the arrest warrant or other process is sought to be executed without unreasonable delay.

(g) The period of limitation does not run:

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(1)(A) During any time when the accused is continually absent from the state or has no reasonably ascertainable place of abode or work within the state.

(B) However, in no event does this subdivision (g)(1) extend the period of limitation otherwise applicable by more than three (3) years; or

(2) During any period when a prosecution against the accused for the same conduct is pending in this state.

(h) If the period prescribed in subsection (b) of this section has expired, a prosecution may nevertheless be commenced for a violation of the following offenses if, when the alleged violation occurred, the offense was committed against a minor, the violation has not previously been reported to a law enforcement agency or prosecuting attorney, and the period prescribed in subsection (b) of this section has not expired since the victim has reached eighteen (18) years of age:

(1) Battery in the first degree, § 5-13-201;

(2) Battery in the second degree, § 5-13-202;

(3) Aggravated assault, § 5-13-204;

(4) Terroristic threatening in the first degree, § 5-13-301;

(5) Kidnapping, § 5-11-102;

(6) False imprisonment in the first degree, § 5-11-103;

(7) Permanent detention or restraint, § 5-11-106;

(8) Rape, § 5-14-103;

(9) Sexual assault in the first degree, § 5-14-124;

(10) Sexual assault in the second degree, § 5-14-125;

(11) Sexual assault in the third degree, § 5-14-126;

(12) Sexual assault in the fourth degree, § 5-14-127;

(13) Incest, § 5-26-202;

(14) Endangering the welfare of a minor in the first degree, § 5-27-205;

(15) Permitting abuse of a minor, § 5-27-221(a)(1) and (3);

(16) Engaging children in sexually explicit conduct for use in visual or print medium, § 5-27-303;

(17) Transportation of minors for prohibited sexual conduct, § 5-27-305;

(18) Employing or consenting to the use of a child in a sexual performance, § 5-27-402;

(19) Producing, directing, or promoting a sexual performance by a child, § 5-27-403;

(20) Computer child pornography, § 5-27-603;

(21) Computer exploitation of a child in the first degree, § 5-27-605; and

(22) Criminal attempt, criminal solicitation, or criminal conspiracy to commit any offense listed in this subsection, §§ 5-3-201, 5-3-202, 5-3-301, and 5-3-401.

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(22) Criminal attempt, criminal solicitation, or criminal conspiracy to commit any offense listed in this subsection, §§ 5-3-201, 5-3-202, 5-3-301, and 5-3-401.

(i) If there is biological evidence connecting a person with the commission of an offense and that person's identity is unknown, the prosecution is commenced if an indictment or information is filed against the unknown person and the indictment contains the genetic information of the unknown person and the genetic information is accepted to be likely to be applicable only to the unknown person.

(j) When deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA) testing implicates a person previously identified through a search of the State DNA Data Base or National DNA Index System, no statute of limitation that would otherwise preclude prosecution of the offense precludes the prosecution until a period of time following the implication of the person by deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA) testing has elapsed that is equal to the otherwise applicable limitation period.


History. Acts 1975, No. 280, § 104; 1981, No. 620, § 1; A.S.A. 1947, § 41-104; Acts 1987, No. 484, § 1; 1987, No. 586, § 1; 2001, No. 920, § 1; 2001, No. 1780, § 2; 2003, No. 1087, § 8; 2003, No. 1390, § 1; 2005, No. 2250, § 1.

[d_eddy]

There is a ton of legal stuff. and as you see there is plenty of ways to get your children out of that cult if you are extreamly serious Im willing to help any one to get there kids out and we all know the abuse that is going on in there some of us here on fact net have the money for a OJ SIMPSON TYPY LAW FIRM TO COME AND PUT THE GRAND PA PA TONY OUT OR SHOULD I SAY BOOT HIM OUT. lol got that from no_stopping_me the other day. others can call THE DEPARTMENT OF CHILD SERVICES> print this out take it to them its there law its our rights and the girls way to freesom!
contact me at :joshdon2004@yahoo.com make sure you put a signiture on the email or I will not open it . theres plenty more where this came from.

[dyann]

Thank you Don.
"Ignorance of the Law is not an excuse to offend the Law".

I guess Tony has no excuse now since he's been advised in black and white. Everyone knows this is his FAVOURITE SITE!

[dyann]

Please keep me updated on WHO the currentprosecutors are.
Please send that type of information to my email address (if you've captured it)
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[d_eddy]

web sites tthat might help:
Child maltreatment resources www.nlm.nih.gov (http://www.nlm.nih.gov)
Child abuse factsheet www.cdc.gov (http://www.cdc.gov) (very good site)
232k - 33 sec @ 56k Stop It Now! - Child Sexual Abuse Prevention
www.stopitnow.com/ (http://www.stopitnow.com/) · Cached
Children Are Worth Saving - Child Abuse Prevention, Support And .www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/7836/ (http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/7836/) ·
MedlinePlus: Child Sexual Abuse
Child Sexual Abuse...
www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/childsexualabuse.htmlwww.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/childsexualabuse.html (http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/childsexualabuse.htmlwww.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/childsexualabuse.html) · Cached

[d_eddy]

Top Attorney sites:
childlawyerblog.info
Your Legal Resource www.criminalattorney.com (http://www.criminalattorney.com)
Call 1 (800) FED INFO (1-800-333-4636) for any Question about Government
Clay county ark:CHILD ABUSE AND NEGLECT, NATIONAL (HHS)
General Information 800 422-4453
HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES, DEPT OF (HHS)
HHS Information 877 696-6775
Discrimination Complaints 800 368-1019
TTY 800 537-7697
Inspector General
Fraud, Waste and Abuse 800 447-8477
TTY 800 377-4950
The more people call the more attention we will get.
Luk 18:3 And there was a widow in that city; and she came unto him, saying, Avenge me of mine adversary.
Luk 18:4 And he would not for a while: but afterward he said within himself, Though I fear not God, nor regard man;
Luk 18:5 Yet because this widow troubleth me, I will avenge her, lest by her continual coming she weary me.
Luk 18:6 And the Lord said, Hear what the unjust judge saith.
Luk 18:7 And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?
Luk 18:8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?
So lets geterdone thanks

[dyann]

Don,

Please see new Thread.

I am so fired-up I can't stop now.

XO, your sister in Christ

[d_eddy]

Dyann Thankyou Im there !!!!!!

[dyann]

Hmmm,
The Mormon State of Utah just last week decided a 14 yr old (legal age of consent there) WAS raped in her forced marriage because she DIDN'T consent to either.
This ruling can and will set precident for Alamo's "marriages" providing the girls come forward and state they did NOT WANT TO BE MARRIED TO HIM OR HAVE SEX WITH HIM.
This CAN happen. This is current law. They MUST prosecute and use the Warren Jeff's ruling in their argument.
Keep going http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

[anchored]

Floridian said:

"Church services starts in Arkansas at 7 PM,In saugus at 8 pm,you should get there about 5 minutes till,and please have it set in your heart to hear and then leave after services,say hello,you confessed that you said the sinners prayer,so now just a little fellowship then you are off back to your home,then lets talk about it,REMEMBER JOE,we all wait to hear back from you,I will speak with you later,and thank you for becomeing a Brother in the Lord as you have confessed here on this board."

[floridian]

Would you like me to find that one time,anchored,I have always said one time and it was a soul that God used me to lead to rededication,right here on this board,yes right in front of the devil and all that follow him,you anchored are upset with your self for not being the one used by God,maybe if bitterness was not so apparent with you and controling you,God might be able to use you,it was my fruit and I know that I did exactly what God told me to do,please share with us and marty and wilma and yes even alanb who is a admitted homosexual,tell us that you are still being used by God,it was going great for awhile you started Talking scriptures and alot of other good stuff and you was still able to talk about tony,yet you go right back to your propaganda and false statements,and your hateful bitter talk to me and others,you know George,most of the brothers that I have talked to that are not posting on this board said that you have always been a loud holleiring talker,and if these so called friends of yours on this board where as concerned as me they would tell you about how you where thought of in the church as being that very bitterous,I am gonna tell you Mr. macclure,anger is killing you.stop being so angry and bitter,please,do it for yourself. anchored you found it and then you found away to post it in your own phrasing to get your thought of how you want people to beleive,anchored anchored,you are sowing a bad bad disscord and God is not happy with that,you took and added your own propaganda,are you a nazi officer george,do you really hate me that much to disalign the truth,after I acceted that you say you are not a homosexual,then you pull this george george,george.

[floridian]

last tuesday I beleive it was,I had telemarketer called my house,and started to go on,and I was going to say the wrong thing first,and tell him to take my name off of their calling list and that I was not intrested,but I was told in my head to shut up and listen first,so my inner me did shut up,and listen,then,I was able to be used by God to pray him through,right then.. I can get in the way of God,I can interject my own stupidity,or I can shut up and be used by God,I choose the third,I am a unprofitable servant,I do what is my reasonable service is,I am saved by grace,not of works alone,I am wanting to make God happy and to be used by God,I am a sinner saved by the mercies of God,I am wanting to be stronger for God,I am wanting to make it through the great tribulation that is coming so quickly,and the more that I can be used by God the stronger I will become to help,not myslf so much,but others,my family,people from the church,in the church,the more I die daily,the more I can be used by God.

[anchored]

Ignore

[dyann]

Prov. 26: 8&amp;9

[dyann]

... and mostly verse 12

[d_eddy]

saltlake tribune warren jeffs
http://www.sltrib.com//ci_7051849?IADID=Search-www.sltrib.com-www.sltrib.com

[dyann]

Thank you Don for posting that link. Keep it coming ;-)

This is relevant information because Tony Bazzar Gantry will have to spend life right along side that other reprobate.

REPROBATE: 1)A morally unprincipled person.
2) One who is predestined to damnation. Rejected by God and without hope of salvation.

I recall many times when he passed this judgement across his pulpit on innocent victims.

God didn't tell him to tell anyone anything.
He is incapable of hearing God's voice because he usurps God's Holy Authority.

[floridian]

Proverbs chapter 26,a good chapter Dyann,thanks for the suggestion.

[anchored]

Thanks very much Don,

Very interesting and informative.

Dyann-lol >>> another version of that perv's name. I remember well his Gantry "sermon" -- THERE'S a pair-lol.

True, the voice that that lying, perverted reprobate, Tony Alamo, hears is god with a small "g".

[dyann]

I'm trying hard not to call him "Legion", Mac...

Here's the bottom line:

"}But it is important to remember that Jeffs was not brought to court because of his religion or even because of plural marriage. He was prosecuted because he abetted the rape of a 14-year-old girl by performing an illegal marriage between her and her 19-year-old cousin, then counseling her, when she protested her husband's sexual advances, to remain in this union, subservient to her husband, lest she lose eternal salvation. In short, she was <u>coerced</u>. "

[d_eddy]

SALTLAKE TRIBUNE OCT 3
http://www.sltrib.com//ci_7051849?IADID=Search-www.sltrib.com-www.sltrib.com

[no_stoppin_me]

On Friday, Oprah did a show about polygamy. She had on a couple of "plural" families who spoke about their choice for their lives. These were all consenting adults.

She also had a woman who had been involved in the Warren Jeffs cult. She was a 6-generation polygamist and was one of 7 or 8 wives, between them they had something like 54 children. She herself had 8!

She saw all of the underage rapes and the justification of it by the higher ups, she was raised in it from a little girl. Her own mother was one of 3 wives.

Here is the important part.....When her daughter was about to turn 14, she knew what was going to happen next to her and she KNEW IT WAS WRONG, She had that motherly instinct to protect her children. Her husband was a very high official in the cult and she knew Warren Jeffs very well. She escaped with her EIGHT children and left the cult.

See, so it doesn't hold up that these parents who have given their children to Tony Alamo are "brainwashed" or that because they have been around TA for so long, they no longer know what is right or wrong.

THEY KNOW BETTER!!!!!!!! They have just chosen to ignore it.

This woman grew up in a cult. It was all she knew, but she finally listened to that little voice that tells you when something just isn't right and she PROTECTED her children.

It is not too late to protect your children. No matter how long you have lived in the Alamo cult, there is still hope for you. Demand your children back!! Don't be Guilty by Association!!

[jackrussell]

So true and to the point, NSM. For it is better to live a lie once, than to die a lie twice. One has to make the changes before death arrives. 'That still small voice, we so oft ignore.'

For anyone in the Alamo group, or others like it, we have been putting that still small voice on a megafone here on this forum for 2 years. Its up to you................................

[no_stoppin_me]

Things that make you say hmmmmmm........

Polygamist Leader Tried to Kill Himself
By ED WHITE,AP
Posted: 2007-11-07 21:15:07
Filed Under: Nation News
SALT LAKE CITY (Nov. 7) - A polygamous-sect leader tried to hang himself in jail in January, eight months before a jury convicted him of rape as an accomplice, according to court documents.

The disclosure Tuesday was in an evaluation by mental-health expert Eric Nielsen, who examined Warren Jeffs in April and found him depressed but fit for trial.

[mixter1]

Hmmm.. Is right,

O.J. Was coping that suicide act when he got arrested. That was so lame. Alamo members should read 'The Ravening Wolf' that the FBI released. The truth will prevail(does it?) but so will stupidity. Jeff's does the classic flip out routine. After he did the hanging act
he kept banging his head against the wall. But after that he gives orders to his church/cult.

[no_stoppin_me]

Another one..................

Sex Scandal Rocks Famed Megachurch
AP
Posted: 2007-11-19 19:34:27
Filed Under: Nation News
DECATUR, Ga. (Nov. 19) - The 80-year-old leader of a suburban Atlanta megachurch is at the center of a sex scandal of biblical dimensions: He slept with his brother's wife and fathered a child by her.

Members of Archbishop Earl Paulk's family stood at the pulpit of the Cathedral of the Holy Spirit at Chapel Hill Harvester Church a few Sundays ago and revealed the secret exposed by a recent court-ordered paternity test.

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They can establish that Alamo had children by members in the church. I cannot wait. Talked to Dave Kroph. He said they have his daughter still. That he turned her against him.
I told him God still loves him. He mentioned his scares. Also, he knows that the FBI is definatly
watching him.