Word of Faith Outreach Church Joaquin Texas

[Anonymous (64.12.117.20)]

Is there any information on Word of Faith Outreach Church in Joaquin Texas. This Church keeps teen members involved in Church activities day and night. These kids are told they are in "internship" but the kids can not explain what that means. They are teaching them that being with their family is not right, that they should spend all time in church activities. I would appreciate any information on this church.

[Anonymous (64.12.117.20)]

I happened upon this message board while researching the very Church you have uestions about. I had emailed Cult Watch twice, but only received electronic responses that they would contact me. It has been almost a month and still no word from them. My neice has attended the Word of Faith Church in Joaqin and everyone close to her noticed the adverse change in her. The Church requires all youth to attend Church activities day and night in the summer and it is as if her family, who loves her, is suddenly her enemy. She seems to be obessesed with talk of "demons" and has gone from a polite well mannered young lady to one who does not respect her parents or other adults and is rude and spiteful. She is 14 years old. What I find really strange about this "church" is that this girls mother had some serious surgery, and the pastor nor any church members came to the house or hospital to see if they could help, or to pray for her. My sister does not attend the church, but allows her daughter to attend. My sister is now worried this may be some mind control cult. I know of no mainstream denomination that requires attendance seven days a week.

[Anonymous (64.12.117.20)]

Does anyone have information on the word of Faith outreach church in Joaquin, Texas? This church is cult like.

[Anonymous (172.169.166.142)]

Check out the "Sam and Jane Whaley, Word of Faith, Spindale N.C. Factnet board. There you will see the same set up. A dangerous cult. Get her out now before it is too late! But the only way to do it is to get her on the true teachings of Jesus. Show her the false doctrines and man worshipping that goes on there. She is 14 and should be forbidden by her parents from going there. My prayers are with you.

[Anonymous (65.163.116.175)]

Let me say that I personally know many people who attend this church in Joaquin and I have never heard anything this crazy in my life. The people I know are good christian people and there children are very involved in school activities and they are very well mannered children. I don't understand why people would say things like this, but it is a bunch of bull, and I'm sure the people of this church would not appreciate being criticized like this. Know facts before u throw stones.. Maybe you need to attend this church.

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

Good Christian people and their zombie children should not try to seperate someone from their family. That is a cult (satanic) tactic. It certainly is not Christian. If you think that is ok, then you do not know Christ.

[Anonymous (64.12.117.11)]

No christian church would teach that you must spend all your free time with the church. Christian churches promote families. These young people are being brainwashed.

[kimmee (67.136.148.123)]

My kids went to school there and we were treated very very well. My kids enjoyed it very much and were taught family values. I did not feel my children were being brainwashed, or encouraged to be at church all the time. They weren't even pushed to go to church at all. I know some of the kids who go to church there, they are great kids involved in school and church activities. I think I would rather my kids be involved in church activities, rather than the activities that many area kids are involved in. And why are all of you annomyous? If you have something to say, don't hide out.

[Anonymous (205.188.117.11)]

The Word of Faith Outreach Church in Joaquin that my niece attends encourages the teens to be involved in activities there day and night in the summer. This sounds good but when you are told that the church activities should come before your family..something smells rotten.There is an unhealthy preoccupation with demons.This child changed from a sweet polite and caring young lady to a rude selfish fanatic who now thinks that it is perverted to spend time with your family. The church must come first.I see a lot wrong with this teaching. God comes first and then your family. The church is not God. A true christian church encourages family togetherness. It does not try to seperate them.These kids are told they are "interning" by attending all these activities but they can't explain what they are "interning" for or what is meant by "interning". The girls mother had surgery for cancer four months ago and not one person, including the pastor. from that church has called...come by..or sent a get well card. Sounds strange to me.

[Anonymous (64.12.117.12)]

When we were kids my sisters & I attended a Church that sounds similar to that Church. They were obsessed with demons and other weird beliefs about Jesus. At first we loved the attention they showered on us but that soon halted and they kept us busy doing things around the Church & for the Church.We had no time for friends or family. We were expected to spend all our free time there. My mother soon became suspicious of this and made us stop going. I am now a member of a real Christian Church. I would avoid that Church and do some investigating. Sounds like they are using mind control.
Bettijo

[kristine (kristine)]

When I read the above posts it took me 10 minutes to stop laughing enough to type this. I am 15 years old and have attended Word of Faith since I was 2 years of age. First of all let me just say that it is people like you that I pray for alot. You cast judgement on things that you know nothing about. I was in the internship over the summer at my church and I dont know exactly what teenagers you were asking to tell you about the internship but I know that it obviously wasnt any that were in it. There were around 6 or 7 of us and we all knew what we were doing. When our youth pastor pitched the idea to us this is how it was presented."This summer we are having an internship at the church.This will be a time for you to serve in the church and dedicate a few months out of your life to serving God and your church. It will be fun and you will be able to be around one another and grow as leaders in your youth group.You are not going to be looked down on for not doing it, this is competely up to you."...Now this may not say it word for word but it is the general idea. From 9-3 monday-thursday we would meet up at the church and pray or do a bible study type thing until 10.Then we would do anything that needed to be done around the church, such as helping the secretary or helping Ms.Nancy our cleaning lady.We would break for lunch and then continue until 3.The work wasnt hard AT ALL and we enjoyed being around each other. Those of you who think we were told family comes after church YOUR WRONG.Our familys were proud of us for dedicating a summer to God and we are stronger Christians because of it.We gained alot of respect for each other and bonded as leaders of our youth group.We were certainly not there day and nite. We left by 5 at the latest one day.We had plenty of time to do the things we wanted to do.Now if you have any other questions about this internship why dont you ask someone like me who was actually in it and will tell you THE TRUTH.I know many kids in my school who are not doing the will of God for their lives and many of them have started showing an interest in our youth group because off all we do in the community and for the awesome youth facilitys, music, and preaching that we have. We are not demonic and my attitude is that of a young lady that is serving God.I get along w/ my parents and i have respect for my elders. If you think that these teachings are wrong then you must inform me of what you think a Christian teenager should act like. I would love to know your point of view. All of the teens that did the internship are heavily involved with other areas in the church such as nursery, childrens ministry,the youth band, and sound.I am proud to be a member of Word of Faith Outreach Center in Joaquin, Texas and would not change the fact that I was brought up in that church if I could.I love the atmosphere and my church family is very important to me. Im going to close wtih this.Do not cast judgement on something you know nothing about.God Bless
Kristine

[bruce (bruce)]

The church secretary and cleaning lady are paid employees in most churches. I could understand you being encouraged to visit the sick, the hospitals & nursing homes but not devoting all your works to church needs alone. Did you not have chores at home that should have been taken care of? Do you not help out at home? I personally know a lady who has two daughters attending the word of faith outreach church in Joaquin, Texas. This lady has cancer. Her daughters were encouraged to do work for the church in the summer, leaving their mother at home alone, unable to care for herself.The pastor or none of the members of that church have ever called on this lady to see how she was doing or if there was anything they could do for her. Why, if this is such a great church?Why were the daughters encouraged to attend the internship when the youth pastor and his wife both knew how ill this lady was? I will be awaiting your response.

[kristine (kristine)]

In response to bruce's post, yes i do have chores at home and i have responsibilities as does most 15 year olds. I took care of those as well as anything else I would normally do. Ok now enough is enough w/ these two girls attending the church w/ the sick mother. I am very sorry that she has cancer but how sure are you that my youth pastor and his wife know about this? I have never been informed of it nor do I know any girls who attend my youth group that have a mother w/ cancer. I am VERY aware of the ppl that attend the youth group because i go around and talk to all of them that i can before church starts. And IF the girls were encouraged to attend the intership was it directly? Did they go to these girls and say "YOU TWO, WE WANT YOU TO ATTEND"...this was an open option given to every teen who attended the youth group services on wednesday nites. If you dont mind, in your next post please inform me of these girls names because i have no clue as to whom you keep referring to. Not only Bruce but the rest of the ppl who have posted. I hope you have a blessed day and eventually find something better to do than run down an awesome church who is doing nothing but great works for God's kingdom...God Bless
Kristine

[kristine (kristine)]

As i was re-reading through the posts something dawned on me. I do know 2 girls that attend the youth group that have a GRANDMOTHER who has cancer. I am very close to these two girls inparticular. They are precious girls and two of my best friends. I dont know why i didnt think of them sooner. Are these the two girls you are referring to? They live in louisianna and are between the ages of 14 and 17 years old. They live w/ their grandmother and she has raised them most of their lives do to unfortunate circumstances. Please let me know if this is who you are referring to. Kristine

[bruce (bruce)]

In response to Christine.
Yes the youth pastor and his wife were aware that the mother had cancer.The mother told them herself and so did the girls. No one from that Church has ever called on her or even placed a phone call to see how she was.

[bruce (bruce)]

Second response to Kristine:
In late December my neices stopped attending that Church. They lived in Texas. They were 13 and 15 years old. They stopped going because they moved to Amarillo with their paternal aunt due to the deteriorating condition of the mother. I am sure you knew them. This is the best for them as they are now attending a mainstream Christian Church. They are not without problems though because of the mind control they are still under because of the word of faith cchurch they attended in Joaquin. I understand that they are receiving much needed counseling and are participating in outside Christian activities which involves helping the needy and visiting the sick in nursing homes and a hospital for crippled children.They are being encouraged to participate in family activities as well. I really wish you well Kristine.

[kristines_mom (kristines_mom)]

Oh my gosh! I have been approached by many people recently in reference to this message board expressing to me how proud they were of my daughter. I had to read for myself to see what they were talking about. I had to read and re-read these postings to make sure that I really read what I read! I do not know who you people are (if it is really more than one person) that is posting this junk against Word of Faith and the so called cult activities that have taken place and are taking place. What rock did you crawl out from under? What mature adult would even go there? Really. Do yourself a favor and read your postings again. This is ridiculous. We have gone to Word of Faith Outreach in Joaquin, Texas for most of my daughter's life. Yes, she has been involved extensively with many activities with our church. By her own will I might add before you or someone else tries to jump in there and accuse me of "pushing" her into it. Yes she did the internship program. For many summers. By her own choice. When she became a teenager she was given the chance to do a summer internship by her Youth Pastor. We(meaning parents, guardians, etc.) were briefed on what the internship program consisted of. Those girls that you are refering to were told to bring their mother, grandmother, whom ever it is to the meeting and they were also required to have a permission slip signed and returned to the church before participating. Yes they would help the Church Secretary, the Church Custodial, the Church Children's Ministers, etc. The program was an internship program. Do you know what that means? This particular program was to help these teenagers learn what goes on "behind the scenes" so to speak. There is more to serving in a church than just showing up and doing a job. Things have to take place before you have a church service. These particular teenagers that chose to participate are teenagers that wanted to be involved in the ministry when they become adults. Any person that has ever served in a church as a Pastor most likely cleaned the church, mowed the grass, helped in other departments along the way as they were becoming a Pastor. Let's think about this for a minute. "HMMMM....Gee what I want to be when I grow up is a doctor. So just as soon as I graduate from high school, I am going to apply at some hospitals and go to work?" Any idiot knows that you have to have training in order to get a job and do it effectively. Some of the kids in question that also participated in the internship programs before they became teenagers were very involved with other internship programs that involved many activities as well. Let me name a few. They would prepare a Bible lesson with puppets, music, games, etc and take it to the street for the kids. Most of the time they would go to a local apartment complex and set up right there on the parking lot and teach and preach the Word of God to these kids. Some of them might have never known about the precious gift that God gave them by sending us His only begotten Son or about the Word of God if not for these kids putting their own selfish wants and desires to the side and doing this for them in the name of God. The girls that you keep refering to are a blur to me. I know each and every one of the kids that are in my church. You see I to have worked in the childrens ministry and yes I do help in the youth deparment when they need me. I have given my own up for kids. I think you might need to go back and maybe ask yourself if these so called girls that you are talking about might just have lied to their "mother" about being involved in this internship so that they could do something else. Got busted and blamed it on the church. Because even though some of the info has changed I am sure to protect the "innoncent", there were 2 girls that were supposed to be involved in the internshio program
and their grandmother had cancer and was away from home. These girls told their grandmother that they were up at the church day and night working. They in fact lied to her because they were up to "no-good" and wanted to continue what they were doing. As far as you accusing the of
church of not praying for this grandmother and for not calling and for not visiting. That is a big bucket of bull. I personally know for a fact that there were prayers, calls, etc. The grandmother was hateful to me personally on an occasion she came to church with the girls. I loved her and welcomed her anyway. She has a mean temperment anyway and she made up her mind a long time ago that she didn't like our church. That is her problem and she has to deal with it. I had a phone call from a mutual acquaintance of this woman asking me about what was going on with the girls. I didn't mix any bones about what I told her. The girls were lying to the grandmother and using the church as their escape goat. The times that they were supposed to be at the chruch during the internship program they weren't. Most of the time they were with a couple of guys and they lied to her and used the church to cover it up. Why would you even believe something so ridiculous? Apparently you haven't researched your information about WOF very thoroughly. Not only do we visit the sick and go to the nursing homes and visit the shut ins and help with feeding families during birth of new children and God forbid funerals, we also help needy families in the area with keeping their homes. Paying their utilities, putting groceries in their fridge, buying Christmas for their children so that their children will have "Santa Claus", buying their children clothes and school supplies, pay their childrens tution to summer camps, pay to have vehicles fixed so that the parent can continue to have a way to go to work, provide medicines that they can't afford for themselves or their children. We do this and much more locally. I can't even begin to list the ministries world wide that we support. There is a group of people that go to New York some summers at their own expense to help out a "Saturday Sidewalk Sunday School" ministry. Programs that promote Jesus do not happen automatically. It takes alot of work, prepartation, dedication, willingness by others, etc to make it happen. We have a wonderful Summer Vacation Bible School program every year. It takes soooooo much time to prepare for this. It just doesn't happen over night. Adults and teenagers help to organize this event so that the children that come can learn about Jesus and know how much He loves them. We work hard so that they will have a lot of fun and leave with a smile on their face and wonderful memories of what fun it is to serve God. We take for granted sometimes that all children know about Jesus. They don't. Some of these children do not get what alot of us take for granted in our every day lives. A hug, a fun time, playing games, getting the chance to win great prizes, etc. One of our Pastor's main focus is family. Time with your family is precious. Our church is a family. We love each other and we help each other. There are times in your life sometime that you just feel alone. Not at WOF. My family personally has experienced some of the most traumatic things you could never ever imagine and if it were not for our Word of Faith family we couldn't have made it. I have never ever been so appalled at the allegations that WOF is an accult and that we practice mind control. I think you are undoubtedly one of the saddest people I have ever experienced because you obviously do not know God. Do not blast me and say that I am judging you. I am not. Your postings speak for themselves. To the poster that said that my church tells the kids that the church duties come before their families. I say bull. That is so stupid. To the poster who said that she and her sisters went to a church similar to my church when they were little. Oh really? You obviously haven't been to my church or you wouldn't be making such an iggnorant statement. I have never ever ever ever heard seen or been around a so called demon obsessed person at my church. I usually go to every service. To the person who claims to have emailed cult watch. Think about it. Could the reason you haven't heard from them be because they too are thinking the same thing I am? How stupid could you be? That organization checks on concerns such as yours. What is the purpose for reporting back to you if there is nothing to report? Boy! What a genius. Think that one up on your own? Never mind....please save yourself the embarassement by not replying. Just leave us wondering. Gotta respond to the person who is concerned with a church keeping teenagers involved with doing church activities. Okay and what is wrong with this statement? What would you rather a teenager do? Hang out on a parking lot and maybe get themselves in situations that could possibly turn into things and activities that they have no business being involved in? Personally I think it is awesome that my daughter would rather be at church with her Youth pastor and his wife serving God by being
involved in church activities. I could think of a whole lot worse things that she could be doing. Like underage drinking, drugs, sex before marriage....Do I need to keep going? I love hearing from my daughters teachers and from her principal about how much integrity she shows in her daily walk and what a blessing she is to have at school and in their classes. Students even comment on how sweet she is what a joy she is how much strength she gives them and how she is an encouragement to them. I know people that are having pure hell with their teenagers. I feel that my daughter's attitude and reputation is a direct result of being brought up in a spirit filled church. By no means are our children perfect. No ones are. I don't care who you are and what kind of upbringing you have, a teenager is a teenager. They go through growing pains and they have moments when you don't know who they are and or where they came from. We all were like that. They are going through alot of things as teens and they are not sure how to handle them and what it is that is happening to them. This is just a fact of life and not a cult related issue. You need to take time to pay a visit to our church and see for yourself that everything that comes from the pulpit is strictly from the Bible and it can all be backed up in the Bible. Our church focuses on children. There are so many children that have a life that you and I will never ever comprehend and there is a passion and love for children in our church for these children. My pastor and his wife and family are one of the most precious families I have ever had the privilege of knowing. My family loves them very much. Our youth pastor and his wife are very special to us. If I had issues in what they were doing in our youth department I would have no problem with going to them about it. Our childrens church pastor and her husband have such a desire to serve God. They have the annointing on their lives to minister to children
and they are so precious to these children. Age
makes no difference. All children love them because I feel that the children can feel the presence of God in these people. Seems to me that if your concerns were legit, then you should have and could have called the church and spoken with any one of these people. I think that maybe before I jump up here and post again, I might would get some facts straight and not make such an idiot of your self. It is okay though, cuz God is so awesome and His grace is so sufficient that even though we are not worthy, He loves us anyway and forgives us for our shortcomings. Whewww..I feel better for you for your sake! Just a quick note before I leave. If these girls are for real and they really attended my church, then you shouldn't have a problem with telling me who they are. I personally think Bruce is really a lady and I think I know who she is...She knows me to and she can call anytime she wants and I will have this conversation with her again!! Just another note before I close. It seems to me that the people in our community know that if they ever need anything at all, they do not hesitate to call WOF and ask. I love you and so does God and like my daughter...I to am praying for your eyes to be opened and that the spirit of doubt and deceit be broken in Jesus precious name.}}

(Message edited by Kristines_mom on February 17, 2005)

[barbie (barbie)]

To Kristines Mom

Have you ever heard of mind control? I attended a WOF Church in Kansas and one in North Carolina and it was all about mind control. I am not saying your Church is but all I have ever attended was about mind control.

[barbie (barbie)]

Re: To annymous WOF Churches

I can only speak of my own expierences with WOF Churches. The ones I attended were about mind control and they are overly obsessed with "demons".

[turtle (turtle)]

I must speak i never heard of Word of Faith outreach Church. It is possible in every denomination to have a good church with exception of the rest. I just got out of a mind control situation. They worked my husband and I to death. We never had much time for each other or his family. His family notice the time we spent working in our church and so did my parents who leave 300 miles away they never could reach us. Everytime we tried to quit we got drawn back into the church. I look for anyday for the minister to come talk to us and ask us to come back to his church. Fortunately when this minister new church started with revival and my husband and I was there another minister in the area was there too. I am happily attending his church now. It is a little pencostal but mainly independent church.
As far has kids doing interships i would question it if all they are doing is having bible study how about outreach into the community. Who are we to reach the lost and most of them are outside the church. I can understand if you were helping with youth activities and games and bible study activities but only to sit and listen i wonder. How do i know so much I worked in ministry even as a young kid and ministry needs to be learned in the church and practiced outside it.

[kristines_mom (kristines_mom)]

Yes to all of your responses. I have heard of mind control and can more than assure you that Our church is by no means what so ever a mind control church. The work(s) that people do at our church outside of the paid employees is strictly of their own mind and time. I can assure that there is not one single person or family that spends an obsessive amount of time working at the church. We all have family's jobs and lives. What we do at the church is what we feel led to do. I can say from my own experience that when we were preparing for Vacation Bible School this summer, there were way not enough people to help. Most of us that helped our Children's ministers prepare for the VBS worked overtime helping because of the lack of "man power". Summer time is a hard time to get help for extended periods of time from people because of summer vacations, summer ball, etc. Word of Faith in Joaquin is a precious family church and the community as a whole knows this and are the first to come to our church for help. I can assure you that the prior postings by the person with the so called nieces with a sick parent are strictly a fictious and blown out of the water type story. I am sorry for you that you have had those awful experiences with mind control type churches. I as a loving and caring person and parent would never expose myself or my family to such ridiculous teachings. To my knowledge there really is no church in our immediate area that would even come close to what you experienced in Kansas. I do not know this for a fact, but I do know that I feel fairly confident that there is not one. People do not need to judge one church for what they experienced in their past just because the names are similar. Anyone that came to our church would feel the Spirit of God in our church and know it is so so very precious. I feel sad for anyone that has never known such love. In God's love.

[bruce (bruce)]

TO KRISTINES_ MOM

I really don't care if you believe my posts were made up or whether you think I am someone else. I am thankful my neices are no longer in that church and under that control. They are doing well and I hope your daughter does well. My neices remember her from school and from the youth meetings. God bless your family.

[kristines_mom (kristines_mom)]

I see that you still didn't post your nieces names. Where did your nieces go to school? Can I ask that and get a straight response from you? And please do me a favor. Quit refering to My church as "that church" and under "that control" since you obviously do not have a clue as to what you are talking about. WOFOJ has never or do they now ever try to "mind control" anyone. This is probably the biggest joke and the biggest laugh I have had in lonnnnnnngggg time. Thanks for the fun!!
Where do people like you find the time to sit and make this stuff up? This is so funny!!!

[bruce (bruce)]

To Kristines Mom
I would never post my neices names on a public message board. If you are happy with that church then I am happy for you. It was the welfare of my neices that I was concerned with.They are doing fine now for which I am thankful.If you think I made this up, that is fine with me too. I have corresponded with three former members of your church, who are happy they are no longer involved. I can only wish the best for you and your family. God bless you.

[kristines_mom (kristines_mom)]

You are so funny! When I give information about something wheter it be my opinion or what I would be ready to step right up and give the names. As far as those "so called" former members you correspond with, they apparently were never involved with God or they would still be there. As it may be. Who's to say. I guess you must have put the word out and got them to hook up with you and your soap box. It is so sad for you that you can not be a part of what God is doing in our church and the impact that it has on our community. You know. I wish the best for you and the so called nieces and the so called former happy members. I feel sorry that you are the ones missing out!

[ca_watchin (ca_watchin)]

Is this church affiliated w/ Word of Faith Fellowship in Spindale, N.C.? (WOFF)

[psalm5613 (psalm5613)]

“The decline that occurred after Philadelphia during the Laodicean period was a direct result of my waves of attack in the climate of society in general, in the political arena, in the educational systems, but primarily in the homes and in the churches. My focus was to disarm parents and preachers.”

Lucifer smiled, his voice softening as he recalled those days long gone by.

“I remember when we launched our first major campaign of Laocidea, around the turn of the twentieth century. Dibbah, my general of propaganda, laid out a masterful plan, with my help of course, to tear down the nations and to destroy the hearts of people through a systematic destruction in the home and in the churches, with a primary focus on the preachers. Quietly and methodically, we slipped into the inner circles of his churches, into the great denominations, and got close to the greatest preachers and theologians.

“We crept in unaware, for the shepherds of the flocks were asleep in their pulpits. We brought with us damnable heresies and applied them quietly and gently. Many Christian preachers, faced with dwindling numbers and a changing social climate, embraced our plan and radically transformed their churches into dens of heresy and iniquity. From the pulpit, my doctrines of demons trickled down to those in the pews. The mindless, undiscerning Christians embraced this neo-truth with vigor. Those believers that held close to the literal interpretation of his Bible and operated in the role of the noble-minded Berean, rejected it, causing more strife and division in an already beleaguered church.

“Consider this simple example: Early in the twenty-first century, the Presbyterian USA church brought to a vote whether there were other paths to salvation beyond the Christ. Wonderful! In another example, a Methodist church allowed my most honorable Reverend Sun Myung Moon to speak in its pulpit. The Methodist preacher praised Reverend Moon as being used greatly by God. Here, let me give you a quote from that minister: ‘What impresses me so much about Rev. Moon is that he’s truly on the battlefield for our Lord. He’s truly a gift from God to bring people together.’* I find this particularly appealing, considering that Moon considers himself to be the chosen one to finish the work of the Messiah.”

My thoughts wafted through several portions of Scripture that pointed to those very activities: to the lukewarm attitude of the church; the rise of heresy and apostasy within the church; the doctrines of demons that would permeate the earth; and the rise of those having the spirit of antichrist, laying claim to being the Messiah.
“We had such wonderful success that the encroachment of my kingdom across the boundaries of his forced him to intervene again, with the Rapture. He rescued his walking wounded from the field of disobedience, rebellion and apostasy.”

“A victory for the Lord,” I stated.

“You undoubtedly believe that. However, he was not the victor, I was,” Lucifer replied. “I had him on the ropes. He had to snatch his people away before I swallowed them whole.”

I didn’t respond. The delusion of the dark one runs deep.

“So many are in hell right now because they were not challenged by their preachers…or, should I say, my preachers. Those weak-kneed, liberal preachers succumbed to the will of the people, and turned out sermon after sermon of a social gospel. They turned their backs on the cardinal tenants of the Christian faith. They defiled their office by turning their backs on the primary duties. Instead of preachers and shepherds, they became hirelings, paid by me. I loved them all.”

He whipped his head around to look at me directly.

“Few men in those last days of Laodicea stood as those during Philadelphia. Few dared to proclaim Yahweh’s word as Edwards did in 1741.”

“Jonathan Edwards?” I asked.

From "Interview with Lucifer" by Rollin Miller
www.interviewwithlucifer.com (http://www.interviewwithlucifer.com)
rollin@interviewwithlucifer.com
1 Corinthians 1:23

[cassie (cassie)]

Be Aware!!
Be aware of the doctrine of all WOF churches and the mind control they use. Compare the activities of these churches to mainstream christian churches. Does WOF follow the example of Jesus with works of mercy to the poor, the ill, the needy, or is all activities centered around the church it's self? It's members? Be acutely aware of the mind control being exerted. Christian churches encourage family. Does your WOF encourage family togetherness? What are the ministries of WOF churches? Be aware of all of this.

[anonymous_1 (anonymous_1)]

I've gone to Word Of Faith for a few years and there is no evidence of "mind control" Before anyone can make an accusation like that, they should read up on the evidence of mind control. The only thing about the church I believe that could be changed is that it is too "clickish", just like it was in high school. Maybe because it is a good sized church, I don't know. There were several occasions where I would invite people to different things (birthday parties, showers,etc) and I think out of all the get togethers I had, only a very few would come if any of them came at all. The last time my child's feelings were hurt because none of his friends came to his party. After that I just kind of stopped going to WOF. I'm not critizing anyone, I don't expect everyone to come to every little party or shower I give, but, we don't have alot of money to spend on extra supplies and things especially for people who aren't going to come. And there were a few times over the couple of years that I was attending WOF when I had to be in the hospital, and I didn't recieve not one call or any visits. As far as WOF's teachings, I believe they are hitting the nail on the head. But,"mind control", come on now that is a little silly if you ask me. I no longer attend WOF, because I decided to go with a smaller church with people who are all close and have realtionships and they aren't so "clickish".

[anonymous_1 (anonymous_1)]

To: titus1_13...i was wondering if you know the names of the three leaders that were convicted?

[anonymous_1 (anonymous_1)]

http://www.leaderu.com/orgs/probe/docs/abuse-ch.html
I found this web site and found it intresting, it is an excerpt from a book on abusive and mind controlling churches. By reading it I know that Word Of Faith Outreach Center in Joaquin, Tx is NOT} a mind controlling church. They do interact with other churches, like for instance during the holidays they pair up with the methodist church to deliver meals and other things to needy families in our area. And many other ways ( can't name them all) that WOF in Joaquin contributes to our community. I hope the best for you all and may God Bless You.

[concerned_citizen (concerned_citizen)]

I am a citizen of Joaquin, Tx. I'm concerned about some of the postings I've read so far. I am an adult in my thirties and attend church regularly at a biblical based New Testament Baptist Church. I'm not going to get up on some pedistal and start saying bad tings about WOF, because I've never attended, and we shouldn't judge others. That will be up to God.
However, many members of my family attend WOF. I can tell you for a fact that they are good christian people, every last one of them. They may not share some of my beliefs, but I can tell you that they all accept Jesus Christ as their personal savior, and they all understand that we can only get to heaven through the shed blood of Jesus Christ---ONLY!! "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God; Not of works, lest any man should boast." Eph 2:8,9.
I am very well acquainted with a large number of people who attend WOF. I even went to school with some of them. They are good people. I do know that they emphasize not teaching any doctrine, such as the above quote from the Bible. That is one of my concerns. These good people I speak of are now grown with families of their own. They already know the gospel of Jesus Christ. They accepted Jesus as savior before WOF ever came along. But are they teaching their children the gospel outside the church? If they are, kudos to them. But if they aren't, and they're just relying on and trusting the church to do it for them, then their children are being cheated. That's why Jesus taught that christian values begin in the home.
Now, someone help me with a question. Is there a WOF member out there who can tell me if WOF opened it's doors to any hurricane victims? Lot's of area churches did, but I didn't see any cars in the parking lot, and the church building is plenty big enough to handle a number of people in need. I haven't spread the idea, because as I said before, it is not our job to judge or speculate without first checking the facts. They may have helped in other ways. But the eyes are the most observant of the senses. I shudder at the thought of a christian organization, regardless of denomination(or lack thereof), not helping people in a time of need. This is the reason people accuse christians of being hypocrites, therefore hurting all christians everywhere, as well as our message of the gospel. "Kristines_mom" seems to have her head screwed on pretty tight. So, if you're out there, and can help me with my concerns and questions, give me a shout back. All comments and corrections are welcome, but beware---I know
my Bible!!!
God Bless you all, concerned citizen

[concerned_citizen (concerned_citizen)]

I am a citizen of Joaquin, Tx. I'm concerned about some of the postings I've read so far. I am an adult in my thirties and attend church regularly at a biblical based New Testament Baptist Church. I'm not going to get up on some pedestal and start saying bad things about WOF, because I've never attended, and we shouldn't judge others. That will be up to God.
However, many members of my family attend WOF. I can tell you for a fact that they are good christian people, every last one of them. They may not share some of my beliefs, but I can tell you that they all accept Jesus Christ as their personal savior, and they all understand that we can only get to heaven through the shed blood of Jesus Christ---ONLY!! "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God; Not of works, lest any man should boast." Eph 2:8,9.
I am very well acquainted with a large number of people who attend WOF. I even went to school with some of them. They are good people. I do know that they emphasize not teaching any doctrine, such as the above quote from the Bible. That is one of my concerns. These good people I speak of are now grown with families of their own. They already know the gospel of Jesus Christ. They accepted Jesus as savior before WOF ever came along. But are they teaching their children the gospel outside the church? If they are, kudos to them. But if they aren't, and they're just relying on and trusting the church to do it for them, then their children are being cheated. That's why Jesus taught that christian values begin in the home.
Now, someone help me with a question. Is there a WOF member out there who can tell me if WOF opened it's doors to any hurricane victims? Lot's of area churches did, but I didn't see any cars in the parking lot, and the church building is plenty big enough to handle a number of people in need. I haven't spread the idea, because as I said before, it is not our job to judge or speculate without first checking the facts. They may have helped in other ways. But the eyes are the most observant of the senses. I shudder at the thought of a christian organization, regardless of denomination(or lack thereof), not helping people in a time of need. This is the reason people accuse christians of being hypocrites, therefore hurting all christians everywhere, as well as our message of the gospel. "Kristines_mom" seems to have her head screwed on pretty tight. So, if you're out there, and can help me with my concerns and questions, give me a shout back. All comments and corrections are welcome, but beware---I know
my Bible!!!
God Bless you all, concerned citizen