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Anonymous
09-16-2003, 09:14 PM
Hi, i need some information about Campus Crusade for Christ. A friend of mine is an CCC member and I'm some scared for him. Who they are-just a christian organization or a sect? Thanks!
speedball1
09-21-2003, 12:12 PM
Campus Crusade haqs been banned from many universitys. They are accused of mind control, (as are most religious sects.)
Anonymous
09-22-2003, 04:50 AM
I was in CCC in spuriously from 1980-84. Trapped in it's slave mentality of doing service for God, I asked God what it was he wanted from me, what did he want me to do? And I distinctly heard in my spirit something totally contrary to my brainwashed expectations: "It is not Me who needs you, rather it is you who needs Me." I was floored! So I went to share this with the group on Friday night gathering. When I shared this, you could feel and hear the release as a great and heavy load of bondage was being lifted from the group. But at the end of the gathering, the head wolf exhorted everyone that "God-does-need you" in a patronizing, disvalidating sort of way. I could feel and see the group shut back down. God had said one thing, and CCC had said another. I was confused and shocked.
That is not the worst of it. The phoniness of that group became leverage to persuade me into the wiles of the wolf Michael Woroniecki, the teacher that was the catalyst behind the Andrea Yates murders. As with other cults, his strategy capitalizes on your disillusionment with the phoniness of campus evangelical groups. The contrast between his audacious zeal and their phoniness makes him look "right." No one is right because they can point out the wrong in others.
My first exposure to CCC involved a lot of love bombing. I remember telling my mom these people are okay. When I left school, I remember how utterly deceived this group was. They have a carefully thought out schedule of classes that slow boil you like a lobster. You end up thinking like them and buying into all their contradictory traditions. You become a robotic slave. Then when you graduate, you accept them as a Christian organization and send them LOTS of that money you are making with your Bachelors, Masters or Doctorate degree. The whole thing seems to be designed as a strategy to milk the educated upper middle class.
They are also proponents of the Josh McDowell intellectual gospel. Basically, they believe that the good news of Jesus isn't enough of a foundation for faith, at least not for many scholar-types who require more. That the gospel is incomplete because it appears foolish to intellectuals is in direct conflict with 1 Cor 1 and 2. "God has made foolish the wisdom of this world.." "The Jews seek for a sign, the Greeks wisdom." Josh McDowell essentially teaches that you can prove Jesus rose from the dead by first establishing the bible as a historically sound document then using it to demonstrate his resurrection. That is a weaker way of Jesus simply appearing to you in his resurrected body. Would you believe then? Actually, no. Faith is not a matter of surrendering your mind to facts. It is about surrendering your will to God's revelation. Jesus said in Luke 16:31 that even if one rose from the dead people who rejected his revelation in the scriptures still wouldn't believe. So the whole idea that Jesus' resurrection is proven to be factually true has absolutely no salvic value. Jesus said when people teach traditions that conflict with the word of God, that they NULLIFY it. Jesus described people who do this WORSHIP GOD IN VAIN. In other words, they should be out eating drinking and making merry because their religion has no salvic value and they might as well enjoy life and get out of it all they can. Mt 15:9
Anonymous
09-22-2003, 02:26 PM
By the way, i think speedball1 has confused CCC with ICC, the International Church of Christ or Hope on Campus led by Johnathan Sullivan, I believe. Crusade is so subtle it is quite accepted and sponsered by many local campus churches. http://www.tolc.org/asu.htm The reason I mention this is because CCC will prove the statement wrong, somehow thinking this error proves them right. They are far from being right. No one is right because someone else is wrong. Remember this! Remember it well!
Anonymous
09-30-2003, 05:40 PM
Their leader, Bill Bright, died in July. I am interested to see if there will be a fight over who will fill the power vacuum, as so often happens.
This Bill Bright character wrote up "four spiritual laws" or something like that, which they all seem to take very seriously. I can't imagine old Bill or any other human being should be in the business of making up spiritual laws for the rest of us.
Iveta
01-08-2004, 02:49 PM
Campus Crusade for Christ is DEFINITELY not a cult. In fact CCC is one of the most benign, caring and accepting religious organizations. CCC helped me out of the cult and helped me recover from the damage done by a truecult named International Church of Christ (ICC).
If you have any questions about CCC or ICC or about how to tell a cult from a church/a harmless religious organization, feel free to email me at ivetame@hotmail.com
Horatio Algar
01-08-2004, 03:05 PM
The CCC is on my campus and each year their most ambitious project is a debate (last year was theism vs. atheism, this year is creationism vs. evolution) with some big name theorists, and scholars. Debate on such issues would not really be something a cult would be prepared to do, as a cult only wants to push one point of view, and shut out others. I get the impression that, on my campus at least, they are very benign, and no more a threat than the other campus clubs.
philo
01-09-2004, 03:04 PM
I've gone to three CCC debates and have been asked (and refused) to participate in two. The problem as I see it is that CCC are unwilling to debate any of their specific beliefs, as shown in your example topics. The parameters are always exceedingly broad, meaning that the debate can never be resolved.
It's simple to argue in favor of a god creating the universe, or in favor of a belief in god, when you don't bother to define what you mean by god beforehand or even during the course of the debate.
The problem is, of course, when the specific CCC belief (or explicit definition of god, if you prefer) is applied to the debate - e.g. when "creationism vs. evolution" becomes "biblical creationism vs. evolution" - the CCC position becomes entirely untenable, easily debunkable.
You'll never see a CCC debate on "did jesus really exist?" or "is the bible the word of god?", and those are the only interesting ones there could be.
Emery Taylor (130.156.22.95)
05-27-2004, 09:55 PM
I am a member of CCC in New Jersey. This group is my no means a "cult" They don't teach any particular doctrine other than Jesus Christ. The members of the group are from many different denominations and in no way are the members encouraged to change their denomination or think a certain way. In the group in which I attend, we reflect only on the Bible and not what a particular denomination thinks. CCC is a group where all christians can share their faith in the Lord and savior Jesus Christ. Feel free to contact me. etay1207@yahoo.com etay1207@aol.com
Anonymous (69.242.21.100)
07-14-2004, 05:42 PM
Christian ministries on Campuses are needed very much because christian students need a place to fellowship with other believers ,worship the Lord , hear the word preached.
.... (81.154.59.62)
07-15-2004, 02:13 AM
Yeah, I agree. But trying to force people to follow a particular religion CANNOT be right.
I think that some campus minustries do a lot of good, because there is a lot of athiesm now in this world.
But I do not think it is right to try and coerce vunerable people into believing something which might not be exactly true.
Cheesegator (168.73.245.72)
08-23-2004, 10:58 PM
CCC falls well short of any classic definition for a "Cult". My personal experience with CCC was in the mid 80s and was mostly positive. I participated in CCC functions at 2 campuses in WI and at the Univ of Florida. In all 3 organizations, it was expected that students would be active in whatever local church they wanted. Nobody tried to control my life, decisions, thought, etc. Their only hope was that some of us might visit a Christian function on Friday night instead of going to the campus bars looking for sex. It often worked ;-)
In hindsight, I believe the CCC approach may be overly formulaic--but certainly not cultic. I think many of CCC's missteps can be attributed to the presence of lots of young Christians who have a ton of zeal but not much knowledge/experience. I certainly can't fault them for that . . . .
Feel free to contact me if you like: badgatorpete@hotmail.com
Anonymous (24.209.57.111)
10-30-2004, 12:30 PM
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I just wanted to express a word of caution about Campus Crusade for Christ. Many of the staff and leadership of Campus Crusade for Christ have converted to Eastern Orthodoxy.
Eastern Orthodox affirm not that salvation is an event which is accomplished once and for all, but rather believe that salvation is a lifelong PROCESS.
They do not believe in salvation by faith in Jesus Christ alone (plus nothing). They believe in salvation by good works.
IN order to have a chance to be saved, two things are necessary according to Eastern Orthodoxy:
1. Membership in an Eastern Orthodox Church
2. Current participation in the Eucharist.
Eastern Orthodoxy affirms that the Bread and Wine offered become the LITERAL Body and Blood of Jesus Christ every time that the EUCHARIST is celebrated.
They believe that upon receiving the Eucharist, that a person experiences Union With God. That is their definition of salvation.
THey Pray to Mary and they also believe in prayers to the dead. THey pray to Mary and to the Saints as INTERCESSORS and MEDIATORS between them and God.
Praying to the Dead is an occult Practice and forbidden by the Bible.
Although officially evangelical, Campus Crusade has been ecumenical for many years. They believe in working with the Roman Catholic Church and the eastern Orthodox, INSTEAD of CHallenging those views Doctrinally and Biblically.
Just find members of CCC Staff and Ask them.
Between 1/4 and 1/3 of the STaff of Campus Crusade defected.
Today, The Eastern Orthodox church has many former evangelicals. THey have been misled by the false teachings that the Eastern Orthodox Church is the true Early Church. THat is not true.
They do not even hold to the Church Councils that they affirm and claim to believe in.
Many of those leaders who are now Eastern Orthodox used to be part of the Leadership staff of Campus Crusade for Christ.
Anonymous (198.38.10.1)
11-01-2004, 07:58 PM
uh...a friend of mine works with Crusade for Christ, from what I've seen of it, it's just a meeting for other christians on campus to support eachother and have bible studies. I didn't see anyting harmful.
overseas (overseas)
12-10-2004, 04:25 PM
Campus Crusade for Christ - even if I don't agree entirely with them, most probably they are not a cult. CCC in certain campus/ country may be transformed in a cult by the people running the local CCC...From what I know, CCC does not function as a church, meaning they don't have a specific theology except basic christianity, but they have specific methods. I did not like their methods, I found them too pushy. Nor did I like their fund raising techniques. But even if I refused to financially support CCC ministers and I expressed my disagreement to their study methods (I mean they are quite tensed to stick to their meetings schedule by all means), I can talk to these people currently, no hard feelings from their side.
nwmomike (nwmomike)
12-10-2004, 05:17 PM
Statement of Faith of Campus Crusade For Christ
http://www.ccci.org/statement_of_faith.html
Definition of Cult
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/c09.html
As one person mentioned, it is possible for a subgroup as with in any church or organization to hold to beliefs contray to the one they are affiliated with.
I agree, using force is wrong, but who is using what force? You also use coerce, still brings about force. I've never heard of any CCC using force. But it is never wrong to try and convince someone in what you believe is right or wrong giving them the freedom to choose. Otherwise a statement like "I believe it's wrong to convince someone that your religion is true". Turn it back on itself and the person making it is doing the very same thing. Force is not right, true.
Just some information for research on their statement of faith and the definition of cult before people use terms but have different ideas of those terms.
M or Michael
eleson (eleson)
12-12-2004, 12:14 PM
Hello after all this time, I'm the former Anonymous http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif I was scared, blaming (not here)...and I'm really sorry. (Excuse my English too) Now I think that CCC are mostly harmless. Me and my friend wasn't believers, and now my friend is normal protestant, and I'm Eastern Orthodox. Often we don't match our religious opinions, but both we are Christians and still understand each other well. I got some good news- Christians do not kill children and do not worship ass's head, none of them :p I 'pray' to Virgin Mary in the same way I 'pray' to a friend of mine to remember me when she talks to God. We really do not pray to the Death too, Jesus Christ is our Saviour. And for God everyone is alive. But what means "faith alone"? It feels cold to me. Hard but truth- what I really believe just shows up in my actions. I might be lazy sometimes, but I prefer to walk His way, not to say "Save me Lord, but I don't care You said that". Don't care if You're hungry, homeless... God doesn't need that, but He knows we do.
He created us, cares for us, has given us the whole world, the sun,the stars, our friends, every moment on this earth and the eternity beyond. He suffered innocent and gave us even Himself on the Cross for everyone of us, to took our sins away, to give us chance to be with Him again... and did all this just because He loves us! No matter if I have or not to 'do'- I will because I love Him. And if you don't believe in God, you may be a "member" of any church, do whatever you want, you may perform even like an angel- there's nothing that will help you. Also according to the God's Words the miracle of the Lord's Sapper is a reality- Christ says that very clearly, why to not believe Him? Paul's respect in Corinthians 10-11 shows the same. Miracles happen sometimes- everywhere. Ok, I've done enought about the right of defence ;) Don't make my old mistake to criticize something that you don't know nor experienced. If anybody may have any questions, feel free to ask http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif And thanks to all!
eleson@abv.bg
(Message edited by Eleson on December 16, 2004)
pocklecod (pocklecod)
01-25-2005, 12:05 AM
Hi everyone,
Well, I ought to respond to the outrageous and unfair claims regarding the Eastern Orthodox Church made in this post, for anyone who might be reading it.
I'll respond briefly and directly.
The Orthodox Church does not teach that there is no salvation outside of the Church. Instead the Church teaches that Church members cannot know the status of the souls of anyone outside the Church, Christian or otherwise. This means that we must treat all humans with dignity, respect, and love. I, as an Eastern Orthodox Christian, fully expect that there will be many Christians of other denominations, and indeed many who were never Christians in life, high above me in the ranks of heaven.
I have no time to discuss the comment regarding 'literalism' in the Eucharist in depth. The Orthodox believe that the sacraments are symbols of God so powerful that they bear a real presence of God in them. The literal substance of the bread and wine is a secondary issue.
We do not believe in salvation by works. Salvation cannot be earned and only through the Grace of God can a person be saved. We do, however, believe as James (the biblical author) writes that 'faith without works is dead.' Grace comes from God - but a person must work with that Grace and make changes in his or her life to grow closer to God.
We believe that the souls of the saints (and all souls) live on after death. We pray to the saints (including Mary) to ask that they might pray for us. They have no power of their own - only the power to pray to God for us. Christians of all walks ask their families and friends to pray for them. We do this as well, and while we do so we ask that the saints might do the same because they are beloved and respected by us, and are close to God.
I have no idea what the poster means about the Orthodox not holding to the Church Councils. This is simply a bold faced lie (notably left without any backing in the post).
The Orthodox Church has become home to many former evangelicals because the Church teaches a message of genuine love which is not oversimplified. We believe in not only swearing allegiance to Christ but in actually doing something with the faith which we affirm. We maintain traditional and ancient forms of worship, do not have a pope (or any figure like him) and hold very dearly to the Holy Bible (in many Orthodox churches the Bible is read in its original language each sunday - something which evangelicals cannot claim). Evangelicals are finding a home in a Church which maintains real and meaningful links with history, but which does not condemn to hell those of other faiths and denominations. It's a refreshing change of pace - and something which can make a meaningful difference in lives and communities.
Here are a few websites
www.goarch.org (http://www.goarch.org) ; www.antiochian.org (http://www.antiochian.org) ; www.oca.org (http://www.oca.org)
for a lot more about our faith.
I write this with all due respect and love towards the ignorant poster who attacked my own faith.
-Daniel
overseas (overseas)
01-25-2005, 03:10 PM
I am a former Eastern Orthodox Church (EO) member in a Eastern Europe country. I was saved and born again by believing what Bible teaches about Jesus, His cross, His death and ressurection, faith and grace. I was saved IN SPITE of what EO teaches. The good thing in EO is they have the Bible. The worst thing is they do not teach salvation by faith by grace. There may be true christians within EO but they depart from the official EO beliefs.Instead of defending a wrong church that abuses Bible straight teaching, you should spread the Gospel of salvation.
My questions for Eastern Orthodoxy defenders:
- why is one considered EO by birth ?
- why does EO baptize babies based on the godfather faith and testimony
- why does EO declare heretics those who leave EO and worship God in other churches, as long as these people believe in the Bible, Trinity, Jesus birth from virgin, His death and physical ressurection, necessity for a holy life keeping Jesus commandments and wait Jesus second coming ?
- why when asked the way of salvation, 95% of EO priests tell you to do good deeds, visit EO 'holy places and monasteries', give to the poor, attend EO church, obey priests etc. and NOTHING about Jesus who paid for ALL our sins; yes they teach love as a work for salvation
- why 100% of EO priests say there is no way in this life one can know he is saved by God, disregarding 1 John epistle that teaches the signs of salvation
- what dignity, respect and love shows EO when it curses ALL those that do not pray to EO dead saints (St. Peter, St. Nicolae etc.)
- why does EO teach that EO Church is the Mother of EO believers while God is the father
- why is the Lord Supper a matter of superstition to EO, why EO teaches that taking Lord Supper heals and protects people
- why does EO give Lord Supper to people that don't even believe God is a person, but a force etc.
- why are there hardly sermons in EO churches (basically sermons are given only few times a year at big religious holidays), why are EO religious services made 99% of singing priests so that people attending do not understand a bit
- why is worship on Sundays at EO churches made of lighting candles, listening to priests singing, kissing icons and also KISSING PRIEST HAND
- why does EO ask people to worship DEAD BODIES of so called ancient 'saints' that are supposed to do miracles foe people
- why does EO nurture a popular belief among EO members that once one starts reading Bible then if stopping makes God punish you with death
- why do EO priests in so many towns ask people to beat and reject evangelists (not JW, not Mormons, not Hare Krisna) that give Bibles and spread the gospel
- I have a friend whose family went to EO church fanatically for several generations, my friend too would not miss a Sunday service for nothing in the world, and they all heard that JESUS DIED ON THE CROSS FOR OUR SINS only from me, after I studied Bible for myself; why is that ?
- why is that EO never teaches salvation only by faith alone ?
Q: The Orthodox Church has become home to many former evangelicals because the Church teaches a message of genuine love which is not oversimplified.
Usually EO teaches legalism. Priests buy their places with bribe. Scandals with priests are common in my country and many EO people simply go to church and light a candle not listen to priests. I used to share room with a EO theology student; he chose that as a money maker carreer, knew a bit more than nothing about Bible. He simply did not contradict my Bible beliefs contrary to EO simply cause he did not care. This case is general rule. If you don't believe visit Bulgaria, Russia, Romania, Ukraine, enter EO churches and ask regular priests about christian faith and bible. Those priests teach plainly intolerance to other kind of christians, except maybe Catholic.
Q:We believe in not only swearing allegiance to Christ but in actually doing something with the faith which we affirm.
The regular EO member thinks Christ was E. Orthodox. For them Christ is one of the many icon images you have to kiss on Sunday.
Q: We maintain traditional and ancient forms of worship, do not have a pope (or any figure like him) and hold very dearly to the Holy Bible (in many Orthodox churches the Bible is read in its original language each sunday - something which evangelicals cannot claim).
You are kidding yourself or try to mislead others. No pope huh ...? What about the strict ierarchy and obedience asked from people. The general stand is that EO members can do pretty much what they like as long as they do not question the authority of EO church. What about the big patriarchs that dominate the national EO churches that dictate in the church ? They call themselves 'the most holy and blessed father of....'. I hope you hold dear to your Bible cause EO does not. How much from the priests faculty classes are about Bible study ? Why does EO church hold to 2 types of tradition: completive (COMPLETING BIBLE !) and explanatory, regarding both in equal authority with the Bible.
And they do not read the Bible in Greek (not in my country), but in slavonic/chirilic (old slavic languages) so that people attending DO NOT UNDERSTAND.
Q: Evangelicals are finding a home in a Church which maintains real and meaningful links with history, but which does not condemn to hell those of other faiths and denominations. It's a refreshing change of pace - and something which can make a meaningful difference in lives and communities.
Christians citizenship is in heaven not on earth. EO lost the gospel many centuries ago but they preserved the Bible, which is God hand of help for those hanging in there. there are factions inside EO that accepted salvation by faith and do not kiss icons, but still have priests.
What you have in US or Western Europe is not genuine EO, but the result of EO contact with evangelic churches. It is 'corrected' EO painted to resemble a church that complies with the Bible. They could not maintain all their wrong positions when going to West or US. But EO is basically flooded with superstitions, traditions contradicting the Bible and abuses of truth.
eleson (eleson)
02-05-2005, 05:27 PM
Do You chalenge me or You want real answers? Because I am able to answer to all of Your questions above, but only if you want me to. I'm not interested to argue with you- that's not the way Jesus talks to people, nor mine. Where are You from?
(Message edited by eleson on February 05, 2005)
overseas (overseas)
02-07-2005, 07:37 PM
I am in Eastern Europe.
I am really interested to argue with you in case you mislead people to think Eastern Orthodox Church teaches salvation only by grace only by faith in this life. Also the error that completive and explanative tradition is held equal to Bible. In case my English is not good enough, I will ask American people living in my country to give their testimony on this site on what they see in Eastern Orthodox Church daily here. It is your problem if you changed God praise to people praise and chose Eastern Orthodox Church. But I will not let you describe that as a Church teaching the biblical way of salvation cause this is a lie.
Jesus talked the truth and so do I, cause He saved me by His blood. As you may remark I do not advertise any denomination here, cause I stick to the Bible. But EOC is in error. There are saved people in EOC but that is in spite of its official teachings.
eleson (eleson)
02-11-2005, 07:10 PM
Daniel, would you please contact me by e-mail if you want and have the time. It would be really interesting for me to talk to each other. Thank you!
eleson@abv.bg
eleson (eleson)
02-11-2005, 10:17 PM
'He is different, therefore is evil/stupid/not a christian so I have the right to humiliate him/crush him/walk on him because that way I am protecting my...faith.' Overseas,as a new believer it took me 2-3 months to give up such ideology, how much would you need? Why is that agression?
I cannot claim that I am equal to Jesus Christ Himself even only in telling the truth, so I'll speak as less as possible. See, I'm sorry about your roommate. There are such students, at any seminary - sad but true. And still, not like a friend of mine. She is a real believer and she's studying Orthodox theology, in spite of she knows that for a woman here is pretty difficult to get à suitable job after graduation. For the payment we are not talking at all, it's a shame. She does just because she wants to know God better, and she led to Him at least 2 of her friends and helped me to become Orthodox. Or another one, she also studies theology and is working really hard. She is charismatic and I don't try to mess with her exact beliefs because she does not ask me to. I know that she is very devoted and true in her faith too, the remaining is up to God. So, she's NOT "fighting" me. I talk with them both as at least equal to me and I pray our Lord to care for them good. I'll pray for you too no matter if you consider me as a heretic, with or without saying the exact word. And wish you all the best!
"...Love makes my faith perfect, the faith will save me..."
(Message edited by eleson on February 11, 2005)
homeofmew (homeofmew)
05-03-2005, 01:58 PM
CCC is not evil, but it does brain wash you into thinking you have to do something when you really don't, people are not God and when people say GOD wants you do this, it's not alwyas true.
CCC is like any other club in school.
overseas (overseas)
05-05-2005, 06:15 PM
CCC may not be evil, but it's not very helpful, if people attending CCC ended by joining Eastern Orthodox Church. I am not disclosing the denomination I attend simply cause it is not important. I still wait to meet someone that, after joining the Eastern Orthodox Church tell me about their joy of knowing Christ, their love for the Scripture and only the Scripture and their joy of being saved by grace by faith alone. Not met someone like this yet. Sad.
notfamous (notfamous)
11-10-2005, 05:05 PM
The problem with CCC is it's way too exclusive. Plus they value themselves above the local church, which is Biblically wrong.
Afterall, Christ came to earth to establish the Church.
Not that there is anything wrong with campus ministry or campus clubs.. those are great... but the focus of His work should be with the Church.
Does CCC encourage their members to become part of a local church and become actively involved in one? From my observation, the answer is NO.
If anyone observes differently, I'd like to know.
overseas (overseas)
11-11-2005, 08:59 AM
CCC is guilty of wrong doctrines. See below a paragraph about CCC 'Carnal Christian' doctrine + link to the whole article (check the same site for parts 2 and 3). Christian organisations should provide a framework for various ministers to do the work according to their own convictions, not to enforce CCC wrong teachings.
'It is no accident or coincidence that Campus Crusade, the originators of the three circles, is such a strong advocate of the Carnal Christian doctrine. They have a sure-fire evangelism approach that enables anyone with an effective salesman's personality to get 'decisions' for Christ in a matter of moments. This approach grossly misrepresents and distorts some wonderful biblical truths into "Four Spiritual Laws." Sadly, their spiritual laws produce a host of Carnal Christians who did not receive genuine spirituality from the so-called Spiritual Laws. Since they practice the easiest 'easy believism' in evangelism, it logically follows that Campus Crusade needs an easy believism form of sanctification.'
http://soundofgrace.com/jgr/index024.htm
silverej (silverej)
12-09-2005, 06:48 AM
OK, a few clarifications need to be made here:
1) There was never a significant number of CCC staff who left to join Eastern Orthodoxy. I have been affiliated with the movement for 15 years and have known hundreds of staff members and do not know a single one that left for eastern orthodoxy. This is not to say that there were never a few high profile individuals who left to join them, just that there was never any movement wide incident as has been suggested above. However, CCC has no particular grudge with the Eastern Orthodox churches, but does disagree with their view of Communion.
2) There is another campus ministry affiliated with the International Church of Christ that often uses names similar to CCC's (such as campus advance for christ, christians on campus, etc) which unfortunately is sometimes confused with Campus Crusade for Christ. The ICC is a very exclusivistic organization which believes they contain the only true Christians and practices heavy handed shepherding. In contrast, Campus Crusade believes that there are authentic Christians in most denominations.
3) CCC recognizes the NEED for students and staff to be involved with a local church. CCC realizes that it is not a church and requires all STAFF members (and is supposed to require student leaders) to be active members of a local church. Though I admit it that the rule is not enforced strictly in some places.
4) CCC teaches that it is necessary to repent and place faith in Christ as Lord and Savior in order to have salvation. (this is clearly explained in their favorite tract, the four spiritual laws) Their favorite analogy is that it is necessary to place Christ on the 'throne' of your life. (again, this is clearly explained in the four laws tract) So, I would not consider this to constitute 'easy believism'.
That being said, it is not a perfect organization. But they want to see Christ glorified on the campus and they want to see individuals place their faith in Christ, which is why I have been connected to them so long.
I will be happy to answer any information related questions concerning CCC, since I sense that I have much more accurate inside information than most of the posters here.
jimmie_
01-10-2008, 09:11 PM
CCC is not a cult, but it can be a gateway to a cult experience with some other religious organization.
I see it sorta like marijuana: you are curious about altered-consciousness, so you try smoking some grass. If you're the sorta person who is looking for a stronger rush, you end up strung out on some other, "harder" drug like speed, coke, or heroin.
Or, your curious about religion: You go to a CCC meeting and get saved (let Jesus into your heart as your personal saviour). If your the kinda person looking for a "heavier," more transcendental experience, you can end up as a full-gospel, speaking-in-tongues, snake-handling Christian fundamentalist, a TMer, or tamborine pounding Hare Krishna.
If my kid went to a CCC group I'd be just as worried as if he came home smelling like he'd been smoking pot.
Not terrified, but concerned
jimmie_
01-10-2008, 09:15 PM
CCC is not a cult, but it can be a gateway to a cult experience with some other religious organization.
I see it sorta like marijuana: you are curious about altered-consciousness, so you try smoking some grass. If you're the sorta person who is looking for a stronger rush, you can end up strung out on some other, "harder" drug like speed, coke, or heroin.
Or, you're curious about religion: You go to a CCC meeting and get saved (let Jesus into your heart as your personal saviour). If you're the kinda person looking for a "heavier," more transcendental experience, you can end up as a full-gospel, speaking-in-tongues, snake-handling Christian fundamentalist, a TMer, or tamborine pounding Hare Krishna.
If my kid went to a CCC meeting I'd be just as worried as if he came home smelling like pot.
Concerned, but not terrified.
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