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bk
05-07-2003, 05:34 AM
this was the only organisation in this planet has never had one abuse reported against

Anonymous
07-04-2003, 09:23 PM
Whilst it is true that the Brahma kumaris have never had reports of abuse made against them, that's not to say that they are, in that case, an organisation which will never cause a lot of damage to many people. I have heard of innumerable cases of people who have had to undergo intensive psychiatric treatment for many years as a result of adopting the Brahma kumaris world view even for a limited time. This is an organisation which is to be avoided by anyone who believes in the right to free speech and freedom of expression.

dr anil maheshwari
01-30-2004, 05:32 PM
For those bks who want to complete their godly knowledge course please visit the below sites.

ok---om shanti--pbk dr anil maheshwari
web-sites : www.shivbaba.ca(for bks only)
www.advance-party.com(for bks only)
www.creator-creation.com(for beginners)

Anonymous (217.157.116.112)
08-21-2004, 01:31 PM
for those bk's - and non-bk's - who want to complete their godly knowledge please visit the posting *Child abuse and brahma kumaris* on factnets messageboard. It is very enlightening :-)

Anonymous (217.157.121.76)
09-15-2004, 09:29 PM
Additional info on BK, mainly of a critical nature, are listed at www.stelling.dk

Anonymous (132.208.28.219)
10-04-2004, 02:04 AM
I have personally lost one of my dearest friends to the 'hands' of the Brahma Kumaris. Not because of any bad behaviour of their group, but simply because of the intrusive discipline it brings about. The norms and rules to be followed are so strict (no meat, no sex, no alcohol, no attachment to anyone), the fact that your family is only your biological one... a lifestyle so narrow that you ultimately lose any space to share every day life with 'ordinary' people.

lionel (142.161.99.14)
10-15-2004, 03:05 AM
I met the Brahma Kumaris back in 1980 and have the
conviction that i am a soul and have an easy way of connecting with God Father. Whilst the teachings are very elevated and i've struggled with some,the heart still wants to continue to attain the highest destination. How can improvment
be bad for the self? The reason i started was that "1000's of people practicing silent contemplation on the self and God attend ther and God comes to teach. There are now 10's of 1000's meeting in Abu and the result is phenomenal.

ketu (ketu)
01-24-2005, 09:13 PM
To all my brothers and sisters I would like to say that if you really want to meet GOD then contact at any BRAHMAKUMARIS CENTER. Supreme authority INCORPOREAL GOD SHIVA has come and doing his work of establishment of new world. Don't waste your time in thinking about what to do. This time will never come back.Just contact at any Brahmakumaris center. All the services provided by brahmakumaris are free of charge.

shriroop (shriroop)
09-29-2005, 09:19 AM
Brahmakumaris are always after VIPs and VVIPs. Their mental make-up is to do special Seva to VIPs amd VVIPs even if they are coming to centres only for relationships and not for true spiritual elevation. They lead luxurious life in white sarees. They have a sole goal of leading a lavish life in Satyuga. In the process they do not want to attend to poverty alleviation, charitable works in the present birth. They say it will be eradicated only in satyuga. Their dates of Vinaash has surpassed which they used to say with authnticity, first in 1975 then in 2000. They themselves are in bewilderment who the God is? A confused sect which thrives on money and wealth of the world is the goal.Bound people in Time Cycle. No way prescribed to Get Moksha.Lot of sweet bandhan of Didis and Dadis. You cannot dare to threaten their gaddis

bkjyotiranjanpatra (bkjyotiranjanpatra)
12-11-2005, 06:25 AM
Om Shanti,

Dear reader, you are welcomed to any center of bramakumaris near you(for the address of your nearest center contact me at bkjyotiranjanpatra@gmail.com).

Benefit you will get:

1. Real peace of mind
2. Happy relationship with everyone you are associated with.
3. Lead a stress free life
4. Build a spiritual personality to become a inspirition and example in your locality.
5. To know the ture know about who are you and who god is?
6. To learn good characteristics and good behaviour.
7. To be praised by all you surrounding people that you are so discipline and nobel.
8. To know the art of living .
9. To increase your concetration power and memory power.

And many more yet to learn in life so as to lead a happier and peaceful stress free life.

So what more , join brahamakumaris today.

with love and affection

Yours original brother

B.K. Jyoti Ranjan Patra
Bhubaneswar, Unit-8 Center

avyakt7
04-03-2006, 03:10 PM
Brahma Kumaris world Spiritual Organization allows you to experience God. There is nothing higher than having your own experience. This path is not for everyone. You really must love God more than anything... then, religion has a new meaning. I truly recommend Brahma Kumaris for those with courageous and loving hearts...It is the best think you can ever do.

avyakt7
04-03-2006, 03:12 PM
Brahma Kumaris world Spiritual Organization allows you to experience God. There is nothing higher than having your own experience. This path is not for everyone. You really must love God more than anything... then, religion has a new meaning. I truly recommend Brahma Kumaris for those with courageous and loving hearts...It is the best think you can ever do.

avyakt7
04-03-2006, 03:21 PM
Brahma Kumaris world Spiritual Organization allows you to experience God. There is nothing higher than having your own experience. This path is not for everyone. You really must love God more than anything... then, religion has a new meaning. I truly recommend Brahma Kumaris for those with courageous and loving hearts...It is the best think you can ever do.

bkwsuwatch
10-20-2006, 04:20 AM
For an independent website on the BKWSU run by a variety of BKs, ex-BK and PBKs, please see; http://www.brahmakumaris.info/

For a support discussion site on the BKWSU Brahma Kumaris, please see; http://www.brahmakumaris.info/indexbb.html


This website makes public the whole of the teachings, practises and personal experiences of BKs, ex-BKs and PBKs allowing individuals to make up their own minds.

What ever good may exist within the BK community, one should realise that it is an "End of the World" cult based on channelled mediumship. A channelled Spirit that it predicts the Destruction of the world by Nuclear Holocaust, death of 6 Billion people, the sinking of the continents followed by a Heaven on Earth for its fllowers only. This spirit that is, or claims to be, "God" predicted this "Destruction" would happen in 1975 or 1976. The date keeps being pushed back but business keep becoming better for them. Currently, they are speculating on the virgin birth of their leader Lekhraj Kirpalani who is reincarnate as Shri Krishna immanently. As one recruiter for the group writes on many web forums, "the bombs have been made ... they will be used".

This is all a far cry from the "Peace of Mind", "Values Education", "Self Management Leadership" that they use as a New Age front to their many organizations but, scripturally it is accurate. The main concern if that the Seniors within the organization are re-editing the original channelled teachings. The channelled Spirit is, it claims, the Supreme God and the process of channelling continues at the organizations headquarters in India via a little old Indian lady. They claim that not just "God" comes into but that the spirit of their dead founder Kirpalani does so too.

The BKWSU is also sees itself as the single, true source of all other religions. It teaches its followers that all other religious leader must and will come to it to learn spirituality. Its god is the only one Supreme god that all other religions worship and the BKWSU are the only true teachers. The God states that only the or BK Brahmin are pure and the rest of the world is Impure, or Shudras. That is the Hindi word for lowest class Untouchables. Consequently, it hides the teaching of its god, called Sakar Murlis, and does not allow public access to them as the general public has "Impure Intellect" and would not understand them.

Central to their faith is belief in time being only 5,000 years long. In fact, one identically, eternally repeating 5,000 years Cycle; a pure elevated heaven on earth with Krishna and Radha for them 5,000 years ago becoming a "devil-filled" hell on earth at the end of the 20th Century for us now. Hell on earth destroy by their God coming and the power of their yoga making way or their Heaven again in approximately 2036 with Krishna.

They teach that dinosaurs existed only 2,500 years ago. Followers must be strictly vegetarian and celibate, no procreation nor even masturbation. Followers can only eat the food cooked by themselves or other followers. Physical relatives are no longer seen as family, only other BK Brahmins are and are referred to as "lokiks or "worldly" Shudras if they do not become members.

Lifestyle involved getting up at 4 am every day to meditation for 45 mins, daily class at 6.30 am, more meditation or service in the evenings and weekends. No days off, no holidays as such. Followers are expected to visit the headquarters to meet "God", hear the "Murli", God speaking and be recharged.

bkwsuwatch
10-20-2006, 04:39 AM
Sadly, the BKWSU has not been immune to controversy and, indeed, is increasingly finding itself exposed to more mainly due to the power of the internet;

• the cover up of the child sex abuse
• organized violence in numerous states of India targetting break away revisionist group called PBKs
• validity of charity status
• criticism from UN due to its over exaggeration of relationship with the UN that it has used to establish its credibility.
• suicides of ex-members
• knife murders in center
• many broken marriages and families
• acquisition of properties
• targetting of recently bereaved women etc

So, is the BKWSU Brahma Kumaris a cult? Perhaps the question is not to ask, "does it have cult-like nature?" but "Does God need to run a cult in order to teach humanity?" It may be that humanity needs and likes being in one cult or another.

Dealing with BKs.

It is worthwhile mentioning what you are likely to experience in dealing with BKs. In the early days of "Knowledge", they go through a kind of high called "The Honeymoon Period. They are very pleasant to deal with in a kind of spaced out, peaceful innocent manner. This high does not last and they experience a come down from where they are encouraged to "make efforts" in order to reach the high. It is really in this period that they enter into denial and dealing with many BKs becomes difficult.

They do operate in groups internationally, they do pool information about individuals outside of the organization and share it, they will press ex-members for information about others and tend to target critics with ad hominen attacks, e.g. the founder of the PBK movement was apparently subjected to many trumped up police charges. Their global IT team is a classic example of this behavior. In such attacks, they will use and have the co-operation of part-time members or associates that are unaware of the full teachings.

The BKWSU also uses institutional pressure to remove critical articles and control the media produced about them. They will work in groups to hunt down sources of information, using ex-members as contacts, targetting media people. In this manner, the organization is starting to appear more cult-like, as per the Scientologists. They are becoming more paranoid about their Murli teachings being revealled on the internet and hide them security-encrypted behind passworded websites. When "God" speaks in India via the old Indian lady that is the channel medium, he is streamed by secure audio video channels only. Students are discouraged from emailing Murlis.

In the beginning of their history there was a strong "Anti-Party" movement against them that hounded them out of Pakistan. Their teachings predict similar events towards the end of the time/Destruction. Any inklings of natural disaster, war, resistance tend to trigger off "End of the World" speculations within them.

bkwsuwatch
10-20-2006, 04:44 AM
From the Wikipedia article on the BKWSU

A list of BKWSU front organizations and business that are run and staffed by BKs involved in promoting BKWSU beliefs. At events promoted by any one of these entities, one might find other BKs present under the mantle of "representing" one of the other organizations rather than the BKWSU in a self-reciprocating manner.

the Brahma Kumaris World Spiritual Organisation
the Brahma Kumaris World Spiritual Organization
Inner Space
Living Values Education Program
Self Management Leadership
Visions of a Better World Foundation
The Janki Foundation
Brahma Kumaris Spiritual Study Foundation
Brahma Kumaris Educational Society
Global Retreat Centre
Oxford Leadership Academy
BK Publications [BKIS Limited]
Relax Kids
Relax 7
Soul Power Seminars
World Renewal Trust and others

bkwsuwatch
10-20-2006, 04:21 PM
Lastly, I would like to make it public that the BKWSU is using organized violence against, and to suppress, a breakaway group of BK Raja Yoga followers called the PBKs. I am not a PBK but have researched this issue to my own satisfation and can source supporting evidence if required.

In general, incidents have involved gangs of BK brothers roaming around outside BK events looking for and stopping PBKs attend or publicise their beliefs. Incidents of kidnapping PBKs in cars have been reported where the PBKs were taken away and beating up outside of the area. Even, I understand, using the same type of riot control stick that the India police use. In at least one incident this has led to PBKs being hospitalized. Police complaints have been filed and plea bargaining deals made. At other times, even elderly women have been man handled and assaulted.

The PBKs see themselves as followers of the same religion, part of the same family. The division seems to be regarding the PBK interpretation and teaching of BK knowledge which seems to be at a more metaphorical level. Whereas the BK taught that the "Destruction" [End of the World] was going to come in 1976, the PBKs will teach that this Destruction was metaphorical of some internal power struggle between factions within the BKs. Likewise, when the BKs will teach that the world is made up of the Divine [them] and Demons [the rest of the world], the PBKs will teach that this is meant internally to the BK Brahmin family.

Despite being followers of the same God and recognising the mediumship of the BKs human founder, the PBKs are barred from entering any BK center and refused a sources of the scriptural teachings or channelled messaged called Murlis. However, it is reported that Senior BKs do also study in some form PBK advanced teachings in private. There is also some controversy over false or unsustainable allegations made by BKs followers in an attempt to indite the current PBK medium.

The PBKs criticisms of the BK seem to rely mainly on the BKs not following the "Godly" advice given in the Murli messages, e.g. the raising of their leaders to guru like status, the acquisition of great wealth, property and comforts, the use of photographs as tools of rememberances of other human beings, the following of devotional practises which yogis are meant to be above, and so on.

The use of "the big stick" type of democracy is not just limted to PBKs. At the India headquarters, when "God" comes to be channelled through the female medium called Gulzar, the same type of crowd control is used to keep Indian BK followers in their place.