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[help me]

ok, my spelling and grammar may suck so ill just say it the way it is.

for approximately 25 years my family has been coping with what we thought was my mothers brain disorder.

every year at least once a year if not twice she would lose touch with reality. i don't mean just
mind wandering away. im talking madness, violent outbursts combined with almost ritualistic praying, not having any idea of what happened afterwards. each episode would last anywhere from a week to a month.

she has been hospitalized, seen "shrinks" even has a paper that clearly states she is sane.

normally she is sweet and loving but when she changes even her face changes, hard to explain, she even looks different.

ok... to cut it from long to short..

( by the way she is in that state of mind right now and has made a makeshift barrier to keep us away from her, she has been sick now for about 2 weeks)

anyways, today we had a family meeting (father and brother) today my father told my brother and me that about 25 years ago or so he noticed that my mother was acting strange, noticed heavy duty praying and so forth, she would receive mail from california, we live in canada. and in this mail, (my father has seen only a few of the letters) there would be strange sentences tha he didn't really make much sence out of. some had pictures of knives or swords or something, also that they wanted a picture of her and strange things like if anyone sees this destroy the letter) anyway that sounds strange if u ask me.

this whole time she is getting more strange by the day.

ok anyway my dad got sick of it and somehow put a stop to this correspondence. (i wish he would have kept a letter)
my mother had asked for her picture back and they sent it with holes all in the picture.

anyway alot of strange things happened, during that time, and i forgot to ask how long she was in contact with them, but i believe years, i also remember a strange lady named genie or gennie who was very persistent in being around my family especially us the kids my brother and me. im now 32 and he is 28

my father was not sure if he remembers the name correctly but i think the religious cult order whatever was called rosecrution , or rosecruicion, something sounding like that, can someone please help me figure this one out. ill be honest i need to put an end to this i need my mother back and i want the leader of this religious cult to answer some questions.

i will do whatever i have to to help her. please help me someone

thank you

[Anonymous]

The group that it seems like you are trying to name is called Rosicrucians.

Do some research. Get some help.

http://www.myownmind.com may be a good place to start. It offers expert assistance and advice. Ran by a Thought Reform Consultant.

Good luck.

[me again]

Based upon what you wrote, it sounds like she has schizophrenia. Schizophrenics suffer delusions of varying intensity, depending on the person and the severity of the schizophrenia.

I dated a girlfriend for a year and a half and she exhibited no signs of schizophrenia until after 16 months had passed. For a year and a half, she was completely normal. She has a college degree, is extremely intelligent and is very pretty. However, she is delusional.

After a year and a half, she suddenly said that my father is a member of the illuminati and that he is helping to rule the world. She also said that my mother is a high-ranking high priestess in a Satanic cult. Additionally, she said that “men in black” are coming into my house every night at about 1:00 AM and that they are torturing me. She REALLY believed this stuff.

I didn’t know what schizophrenia was until I dated her. Now I’m intimately familiar with exactly what schizophrenia is. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/sad.gif

You should rent a movie call “A Beautiful Mind” because it is a true story about a university professor who was delusional / schizophrenic.

Psychotropic drugs can control schizophrenia, as long as the patient stays on them. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

[help me]

i too believed it was schizophrenia, but she had seen a shrink for a bit and they say no, other doctors say no as well.

i honestly believe it was skitz for a long time but when professionals say no?

why would the symptoms have started shortly after being in contact with these rosecrucians.
(thank you anonymous for the info i learned alot from it)

so what the hell do i do?
skitz? not skitz?
brainwashed?

my brother and i want to know something? (could someone have hypnotised her 25 years ago and set a trigger word or event to cause her to go nuts like this?)

as far as help, what more help can we get?
i mean i don't want to sound like an ass but whats next an exorcism?

does anyone have some advice or know someone who deals with this type of thing?

[Anonymous]

The Rosicrucians have a long history. I have studie the beliefs that led up to the formation of the Rose Cross and there is indeed a connection with mental insanity and the belief of the Rose Cross. Another offshoot from the same theosophy is the New Order of the Latter Rain. Jesus is a Pattern Son whereby the duped participant thinks they can achieve immortaility through "revelation" given through written booklets, prophetic utterences, the Call (calling someone's destiny into existence, etc. TBN's founders Paul and Jan Crouch are NOLR as well as gnostic Rick Joyner, Bob Jones, Bob Mumford, Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland and Kenneth Hagin (too many others to list) but the Golden Dawn and Gold and Rose Cross combine the same elements. They use curses and covert really nasty techniques of witchcraft and sorcery and they've been doing this for centuries. You need to get a praying Christian to fast and pray for your Mother. She needs to renounce participation in this, but sh will have to see she was in error by reading scripture. The Rosicrucians and Freemasons were the same group during the latter part of the 18th century. They entered america through a settlement at Ephrata Pennsylvania. It lasted for about 50-70 years, splintered, and then formed new cell-groups in secret. Ironicaly, there has been a battle between the different Rose Cross groups as to who was the official group. That issue was settled in the Supreme Court in 1997 (at least for now) and the "Official Headquarters" is Beverly Hills in Germantown, PA where they first settled. Many hard-core witches use Rosicrucians as a front for the satanic. They believe they are to enter the 3rd Age or New Age prophesied by oman Catholic Abbott Joachim of Fiore (1135-1202) whereby man returns to his original state as being co-equal with God. Matter and spirit are co-equal. Man must "evolve" into a God through alchemystical philosophy, the old term for theosophy. It is a mixture of science, religion, and philosophy. Mean stuff, but this is exactly what the Politicians are into in Washington, D.C. The grand Lodge of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry is 13 blocks from the Whitehouse. Some say America is a Rosicrucian experimental utopia. George Washingtom himself was a well-known Freemason. He started the Lodge of Cincinatti.

Bible -- Bible -- Bible -- Pray Fast, get others to pray who know what's up!!

[charlie]

THE BEATLES WERE THE DEVIL. I have proof!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Anonymous]

There is a chat room called Rosicrucian Paths. They also have a website.

[dymphna]

on the subject of the "Rosicucian Paths" chat room, good luck getting anything out of them. i've been trying for months and all they do is flood me with meaningless links and then ban me from the chat... i've got suspicions about these Rosicucians, something in my mind gets nervous at the mention of that *cult*. thank you for the information "anonymous", it was very interesting, i'll check out that site too. good luck to you "help me". sounds like you're in for a tough time.

[rosicruciandefender]

The Rosicrucian tradition is secular - it is, if anything, a mystery school that promotes introspection, self-improvement and myticism. Of course, these societies have a fraternal aspect - just like trade unions and political parties.

It sounds as though your mother was suffering from a medical condition. I severely doubt the Rosicrucians are to blame. If you search the net you are unlikely to find any anti-Rosicrucian material other than absurd conspiracy sites. This is purely because they are neither a cult or a sect and do not harm their members. It is merely the aura of secrecy that scares otherwise rational people into thinking that Rosicrucians are evil and satanic.

Research the positive aspects - cosmic love and peace profound.

[Anonymous (207.69.69.15)]

More importantly, you should check out information on Opus Dei. It sounds like you may need to know. Check out www.odan.org. You'll find some truth.

[Douglas (68.192.60.127)]

I don't know if Roy Masters still does seminars but if their is a weakness behind your mother's illness and or she needs an exorcism Roy has a way of bringing things out of people no one else can. I have seen people get better just from listening to him. www.fhu.com is his web site I think.

[Anonymous (199.60.107.1)]

Aren't the Rosicrucians related to the freemasons?

[Anonymous (64.65.136.84)]

The Rosicrucians pre-date the Freemasons and their primary source writings from the 16th and 17th century clearly show that they are a form of arrianism. This means they believe they can become co-equal to Jesus Christ. They are definitely an occult order that incorporated the Elusyian mysteries, contemplative prayer, mystical union with the "cosmos" and the believe that Adam or mankind is evolving into Christs.

They are a deadly occult group whose leaders openly declared themselves to be the illuminati.

[Anonymous (208.181.53.25)]

I'm not sure if people who rant about "The Illuminati" are cultists or anti-cultists. I've never heard anyone talk about "The Illuminati" unless they are opposed to it. I suspect that opposition to "The Illuminati" which is a mythical organization in modern times, has become a cult in its own right.

[Anonymous (213.202.169.122)]

I believe your other needs deliverance. That is, a kind of Christian way of praying with the person who is posessed or opressed by demonic forces. Association with the occult is a doorway to demonic possesion, and the Rosicrucians are an occultic organisation FACT. I was a pastor in Belgium when a young lady came to me and my wife with symptoms like you are describing. She wanted help so we told her about Jesus and led her to salvation. We then went through a process of getting her to renounce all occult ties, and laid hands on her and prayed for her. She admitted to going through unusual ceremonies she couldn't understand with her boyfriend at a Rosicrucian meeting. When we prayed for her, she jerked about a bit rolled her eyes back and collapsed on the floor. About 3 minutes later she 'came to' and said the voices aren't anoying her anymore and it's like a huge weight has been lifted from her. This wasn't my first encounter with people who have been through secret ceremonies in Rosicrucianism they didn't understand and who ended up all messed up mentally disturbed as the world would percieve, but posessed as any discerning christian would see. Your mother needs Jesus, she needs you to plead the blood of Jesus over her. pray and fast first before you do this. Maybe get a Pastor to work with you. S.A

[Anonymous (205.188.117.20)]

I knew a lady who became involved with the Rosicrucians, and she said they were really into people's auras(surrounding their heads). She also
said she had seen John Steinbeck standing by the
fireplace in his house, (the ghost of Steinbeck I
mean).

[Dark Knight (24.11.86.227)]

Looks like you're long gone, but I'll post this in the event you ever come back.

I hate to say it but schizophrenia doesn't come and go like that. I am concerned about a few things that you have described, though, you probably won't believe me.

From what I have been reading, asking for your mother's pictures...sounds like ritual magic. I hate to say it but ritual magic is real and not the hocus pocus some people think. Very simply magic is energy manipulation, and many adepts can work on a person's energy sytem using a person's photograph.

From what I am learning, human energy system is just as necessary as as the central nervous system, circulation system and so on. Energy flow affects how you think and feel. Magic adepts can manipulate a person's energy flow to affect how they think and feel. Chakras are connected to the human spine, so it wouldn't surprise me if they are working into your Mom's spine to get at her chakras.

If you understand what is happening to you, you can take appropriate countermeasures. IF YOU DON'T know what's happening to you, and your thoughts and emotions are swinging all over the place, well, you can come off looking really bizarre, really insane.

[rosicruciandefender (195.92.198.72)]

This paranoia is truly unwarranted. I also personally believe that an exorcism is unlikely to 'heal' what is most likely a medical condition.

The Rosicrucian Order, AMORC has just held a world peace conference is San Jose - the organisation is humanitarian and spiritual by its very nature.

Karma and free will are also very important elements Rosicrucians will be frank about - to do anything harmful to anyone else (even a few nasty words) would thus incur retribution.

In common with the Theosophists, Anthroposhophists and even the Freemasons, we are discussing philanthropic and spiritual organisations.

You will find an almost complete absence of REASONABLE and VERIFIABLE critiscism of Rosicrucianism on the internet. For good reason, I might add.

Oh, and I'd reccomend against an excorsism from what sounds like a fundamentalist pastor with a website.

Best wishes to all for peace profound,

rosicruciandefender

[Anonymous (66.142.27.0)]

The real Jesus Christ is stronger than any curse

She needs to get truly born again if she is not and also
read a good word for word version of the bible
with her or to her any time you can and
pray. Honestly seek truth and you will find him.
(Jesus is the Way, Truth and the Word of God)

Most churches are clueless about this stuff.
and most of them are getting into mysticism
themselves because they don't know true doctrine
anymore but the Bible is still true as ever.

[rosicruciandefender (195.92.198.75)]

Whatever works best for your mother is the priority. She need not see a priest or a pastor however, in the same way a bhuddist needn't atone to a Lutheran vicar.

Peace profound,

rosicruciandefender

[saved_by_grace (saved_by_grace)]

Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2003 - 2:07 am:

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The Rosicrucians have a long history. I have studie the beliefs that led up to the formation of the Rose Cross and there is indeed a connection with mental insanity and the belief of the Rose Cross. Another offshoot from the same theosophy is the New Order of the Latter Rain. Jesus is a Pattern Son whereby the duped participant thinks they can achieve immortaility through "revelation" given through written booklets, prophetic utterences, the Call (calling someone's destiny into existence, etc. TBN's founders Paul and Jan Crouch are NOLR as well as gnostic Rick Joyner, Bob Jones, Bob Mumford, Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland and Kenneth Hagin (too many others to list) but the Golden Dawn and Gold and Rose Cross combine the same elements. They use curses and covert really nasty techniques of witchcraft and sorcery and they've been doing this for centuries. You need to get a praying Christian to fast and pray for your Mother. She needs to renounce participation in this, but sh will have to see she was in error by reading scripture. The Rosicrucians and Freemasons were the same group during the latter part of the 18th century. They entered america through a settlement at Ephrata Pennsylvania. It lasted for about 50-70 years, splintered, and then formed new cell-groups in secret. Ironicaly, there has been a battle between the different Rose Cross groups as to who was the official group. That issue was settled in the Supreme Court in 1997 (at least for now) and the "Official Headquarters" is Beverly Hills in Germantown, PA where they first settled. Many hard-core witches use Rosicrucians as a front for the satanic. They believe they are to enter the 3rd Age or New Age prophesied by oman Catholic Abbott Joachim of Fiore (1135-1202) whereby man returns to his original state as being co-equal with God. Matter and spirit are co-equal. Man must "evolve" into a God through alchemystical philosophy, the old term for theosophy. It is a mixture of science, religion, and philosophy. Mean stuff, but this is exactly what the Politicians are into in Washington, D.C. The grand Lodge of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry is 13 blocks from the Whitehouse. Some say America is a Rosicrucian experimental utopia. George Washingtom himself was a well-known Freemason. He started the Lodge of Cincinatti.

To however posted the above: Do you have evidence to support your statement about those from TBN? And what exactly is NOLR?

[knowledgeispower (knowledgeispower)]

Wow.... I am so sorry for you to have to witness and worry about your mothers state of mind and her health. I am somewhat familiar with several topics discussed here but I am not an expert or even very educated on any of them-I am just someone offering you some comfort and maybe some advice you'd accept from merely my opinion about possibilities-and also to urge you to find a support system or group of the kind that maybe deal with similiar issues reguarding loved ones-not relegious or anti-relegious-but support groups like al-anon(as an example), even an alziemers support group might apply or offer strength in love and support since your mother has absent spells. Whatever is affecting her, she is a survivor, not a victim-and so are you.
My wish for you is to not drain your energy and scare yourself to death wondering about cults and magic and the devil. Life can be scary - living it worrying about what you don't know would be brutal. Quit beating yourself up in this way.
Your mother may have things she experienced in her life, as a child , or a teen , before you were born ,she was a person in her own right with a life and relationships with others that have there own dynamics. Maybe some of these were bad-maybe something in her past happened that she can't deal with or cope with and it manifests into whatever you witness. What you and your mother may consider is how to attain the skills you need to cope with these issues that are so affecting you-and may I assume that your mother is agreeing here-because she may not be ready-and I could be way off the mark here.
My understanding of the rosicrucians is from a meeting I attended upon invitation-not usually inclined to such events-still uncertain why I went-but I did-and I learned a great deal-
I met very polite and interesting and educated individuals. I recall mention of the group forming along time ago in the interest of seeking knowledge and forced to meet in secret because if caught educating one another the punishment was death. Similar to the church not wanting the Copernican theory discussed and Galileo was harshly delt with when he kept with God and bu kept an open mind-of course the church didn't kill though-then-but we won't go there-whew-alot of thought. The thing is-just keep your wits about you-if you want to know about something-go to the source that you feel will offer comfort and strength and knowledge-and accept that maybe you will never solve the puzzle about your mother-and if after all that you have been through and after reading your replies you still linger on the possibility that others are responsible for creating pain and chaos-and I am wayyyyyyyyy nuetral here-but I say "The best revenge is to live a happy life"-
Good luck to you- }}}}Peace out

[easeltine (easeltine)]

"Another offshoot from the same theosophy is the New Order of the Latter Rain."

That is just dumb! AMROC has no, no connection to the Latter Day Rain Movement.

It just blows my mind how people that don't like something can pull a connection from something like this...http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

[free_seeker (free_seeker)]

Hello all,
I must admit, I recently requested information from the Lectorum Rosicrucianum (Rosicrucian organization) and am quite nervous about it. I find this theory to be very interesting and insightful but I also know what human beings are capable of when it comes to religious beliefs and spirituality. Even the truest of the true end up being used to manipulate and control people in sometimes cruel, invasive and devious ways. I would be lying if I didn't admit that this scares me somewhat. It spurned me to search the web with terms like "Rosicrucian & Cult" and it brought me here.

This said, reading some of the answers to this woman's problems makes me think that there are people that belong to very legitimate churches who are just as sectarian (cult-like) as the more esoteric organizations.

Are the Rosicrucians dangerous? Are there members as free as they say? Is there retribution for not following the code? When an organization is quiet and even secretive, is it not a natural reaction to think that maybe they have something to hide? Something that may scare people with common-sense away.

Any thoughts?}

[frankenchrist]

The Rosicrucians function much like a 'secret society' similar to the Masons, Templars, etc. But there are aspects of it that make it a little more like a full-fledged religious group. In that, Masons and groups such as that allow their members to go to churches that are separate from the organizations. Rosicrucians require more exclusive adherance.

It's a very old group, hundreds of years old. It's a relatively small group. Here is the Wiki. on it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosicrucian

Is it dangerous? Well if you consider the fact that individual members can get caught up in it and believe all kinds of loony garbage -- yes. Are they dangerous on a societal level, very doubtful. There are some conspiracy nuts who would say that they are a threat, but it's all a bunch of hooey.

[factseeker]

There are a number of issues relating to mind/brain disorders.
The biggest is chemical imbalances caused by environmental factors, especially caused by food additives and the use of environmental chemicals.
The Rosicrucians and Christian bible study and prayer will not cure the problem.
Find a good doctor and have the appropiate medical tests undertaken.
A lot of the problems are associated with ADD/ADHD syndromes which are undiagnosed from birth.
There is comprehensive medical information on the net regarding mental disorders.
Learn to use the Google search engine.
Giving advise like Roscicrucian diagnostics and Christian prayer rituals is downright dangerous and unethical.
The Italians have a saying:
Banks do not make pizzas and Pizza shops do not do banking transactions.
The moral of the story is:
Don't be that stupid to take advise from an internet forum.

[factseeker]

Californian Non-Profit Corporations

What is a non-profit Corporation?

Typically, a company which is formed and operated for the benefit of religious, social, scientific research, artistic, educational, or environmental purposes can be formed as a Non-Profit corporation.
There are three general categories of Non-Profit corporations which can be filed in California:
1. Religious Non-Profit corporations
2. Public Benefit Non-Profit corporations, or
3. Mutual Benefit Non-Profit corporations

The idea of a Non-Profit company is to provide a way for an organization to offer needed support to a specific group, in a beneficial, benevolent manner, or a humanitarian effort, with the "reward" being the organization would not have to pay income tax, since there should not be any "profit" to the corporation's management or workers, and will not result in a gain for any private person connected with the organization's operations. Revenues and Donations received would be used to pay operating expenses and to give to the recipient, or the public charity.

This does not mean that the people who operate a Non-Profit company must volunteer their time. Salaries can be earned. Workers can be paid for their time and services, as long as salaries are within reason.

What is a USA 501(c)3 or 501(c)4 ?:

These terms are used to describe a type of nonprofit/non-taxed company under the rules of the Internal Revenue Service (IRS). Remember, corporations are formed and filed on a state level, not the federal level. So, when you decide to create a Nonprofit Corporation, all initial documents are completed and filed with the government of California. After this has taken place and the Nonprofit Corporation is legally in existence, then the additional steps for exemption of income tax can proceed, including the application for 501(c)3 or 501(c)4 status.

The specific applications are provided to you for your completion after the incorporation process has been completed. Simply registering your organization as a Non-Profit corporation does not automatically give you exemption from payment of US Federal or State of California Income tax. Separate application must be made to, and approval obtained from, the state and federal government, or the company must pay income tax. Moreover, rules regarding the management and operations of Non-Profit companies must be followed, or the exempt status can be revoked.

The legal records imply that only The Supreme Grand Lodge of the Ancient Mystical Order Rosae Crucis, 1312 Naglee Avenue, San Jose, California 95191, USA. is classified by the United States Internal Revenue Service under section 501(c)(3).

[factseeker]

AMORC Australia

Ancient Mystical Order Rosae Crucis.

ASIC Identical Names Check.
Checked against ASIC's database at 13:07:42 on 18/04/2003
Checked against ASIC's database at 19:06:10 on 07/03/2004
Name Checked : ANCIENT MYSTICAL ORDER ROSAE CRUCIS
As at the time of this extract, the name checked is not considered to be identical to any name protected by the provisions of s147(1)(a) or (b) of the Corporations Act 2001 registered on the ASIC database.

ASIC Identical Names Check.
Checked against ASIC's database at 17:27:41 on 23/03/2004
Name Checked : ROSICRUCIAN ORDER AMORC
As at the time of this extract, the name checked is not considered to be identical to any name protected by the provisions of s147(1)(a) or (b) of the Corporations Act 2001 registered on the ASIC database.


Rosicrucian Order AMORC, Suite 2, 111 Moore Street, Leichhardt, New South Wales, 2040.
23 March 2004. ASIC national names index establishes no Australian registered company under the name Rosicrucian Order AMORC listed in their company database.
3 March 2006. AMORC Australia web site displays ABN 95 072 728 968 in the contact box under the above name and address.

Rosicrucian Order AMORC Grand Lodge for Australia, Asia and New Zealand
ACN 072 728 968
11 April 2003. ASIC national names index establishes the full registered business name is: Rosicrucian Order AMORC Grand Lodge for Australia, Asia and New Zealand. ACN 072 728 968. Suite 2, 111 Moore Street, Leichhardt, New South Wales, 2040. Registered as an Australian Public Company and Section 383 Company, 05 February 1996.

The Grand Lodge of the English Language Jurisdiction of the Ancient and Mystical Order Rosae Crucis
18 April 2003, ASIC National Names Index establishes The Grand Lodge of the English Language Jurisdiction of the Ancient and Mystical Order Rosae Crucis is still registered in Australia. The former registered name was The Supreme Grand Lodge of the Ancient and Mystical Order Rosae Crucis.

The registered business name and address is:
The Grand Lodge of the English Language Jurisdiction of the Ancient and Mystical Order Rosae Crucis. ARBN 003 419 047. Suite 2, 111 Moore Street, Leichhardt, New South Wales, 2040. Registered as a Foreign Company (overseas).

[factseeker]

Trademark records reveal that the name Ancient Mystical Order Rosae Crucis, and the anagram AMORC are trademarks or word marks and not corporate trading names or historical names.

Trademark records revealed that the name Rosicrucian Order AMORC is not a registered trademark in the USA or Australia, but an unregistered modified trademark of the trademark 74576105. The words Rosicrucian Order have been added on the bottom of the icon.

ASIC business registration records reveal the name Rosicrucian Order AMORC is not a registered business name in Australia.

SGLAMORC is a private Californian Non-Profit Public Benefit Corporation consisting of directors and containing no members.

Examining the SGLAMORC and GLAMORC legal structure reveals a two-tiered non-profit corporate structure. While Californian corporate laws may permit two-tiered non-profit corporations, the same non-profit corporate structure is illegal in Australia.

The two-tiered USA SGLAMORC – GLAMORC Corporation structure exists only for one purpose.

On the doctrine level, all “Rosicrucian Documents” in the possession of SGLAMORC are the private property of SGLAMORC. As a private non-profit corporation, SGLAMORC is not legally obliged to divulge “secrets” to another corporation. This isolates the “Rosicrucian Documents” from the GLAMORC membership corporation.

On the corporate level, SGLAMORC is not financially accountable to any worldwide “AMORC Membership Corporations”. According to the GLAMORC constitution, all AMORC funds are vested in SGLAMORC, and are for the exclusive use by SGLAMORC.

Due to the lack of Australian legal documents and charters, the true corporate relationship between SGLAMORC and AANZAMORC cannot be fully established.

The Mastery of Life is the AMORC public relations document for potential membership recruitment. There is a conflict of interest between the legal USA AMORC structures and the public advertising. The legal issue is that a corporation cannot have a historical identity earlier that it’s corporate registration date. This nullifies the advertised belief that the Rosicrucian Order AMORC can trace its origins back to Egypt.

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