AGRESSIVE CHRISTIANIT MISSION TRAINING CORPSI Need help

[Anonymous (198.38.10.1)]

I have noticed that someone has posted on this site who is in ACMTC. Can you please tell me if you know a man who now goes by the name Ezekiel River? This is very Urgent, I just want to know if you know who he is. Thank you.

[Anonymous (4.245.13.236)]

If you know a man named Ezediel River involved with the ACMTC group, stay away from him. There are several who go by the last name of River and have Biblical first names.
These people are very charismatic and will dupe you into staying with them.
Can you give a description of this man? Are you in college or do you live near Fence Lake, NM?
These people have records of abuse, child abuse, and no telling what else. So if he is involved with this group, check out his background. KC

[anonymous (68.195.45.119)]

I am actually asking this because a close friend of mine was suckered into joing this cult, I have not heard from him for over a year, but I know he changed his name to Ezikiel River, I was just wondering if anyone had seen or heard of him, it would give me peace of mind to know he is at least ok physically ( I know mentally he can't be ok, after being with these people) but h ewas supposed to be on medication for a very serious neurological disorder and they convinced him he had this problem because of unrepentant sin in his life and because he was demon possessed, the did not allow him to take his medication, I just want to know he is ok, if anyone knows of a young man in his mid 20's living with the New Mexico ACMTC and goes by the name Ezkiel River please please let me know. Thank you all for your time.

[Anonymous (68.195.45.119)]

A description of this man He is about 5'5-5'9, wavy black hair, brown eyes, may or may not have facial hair, caucasian and in his mid 20's He is from Long Island New York and his family and friends are very concerned for him. He also suffers from a neurological disorder that can cause narcolepsy and temporary paralisis if left untreated.

[Anonymous (4.245.13.15)]

Contact the police in Albequerque,NM and tell them
what you know. It would be better if his family called. Anyhow they have records and pictures of these people and they know about them. You could also call child social services out there because I know that they have record of suspected child abuse and they could put you in contact with someone in the police department. I wish you all the luck in finding your friend. The sooner you get him out of there the sooner you can get him help. Let me know if there is anything else I can do to help you and I will do my best to help. KC

[Anonymous (63.167.47.17)]

Several people there have been given the last name of River...with biblical first names like the other poster said. Anyone who gets sucked into this group, will have a difficult time getting out. The Greens do not give their members up easily....they want as many young people as they can to do their work for them. They don't care that the kids have illnesses. Everything is said to come from demonic influences, as they consider all the outside world to be anyway. I fear for this young man, as I do all the young people there. The little babies are being born in here rapidly....and now they have to live under these influences, not knowing any different way of life. It is very difficult for loved ones to endure...to see your kids having kids inside a devious cult....and it is detrimental to their emotional and physical health. I agree with the previous poster, the more people that alert the authorities the better, even the parents have difficulty getting anything done. If many people could make this group publicly known for their deceit, maybe the world would take note. Their leaders are no different than David Koresh....they deceive and twist scripture to suit themselves and keep their members hooked. You never dream it could happen to your own family.... They are psychopaths, with one motive..being in power, and getting it anyway they can.

[Anonymous (216.31.3.231)]

sorry friend, but mr. river is no longer with them but is in a nuthouse in albuquerque nm

[Anonymous (4.245.12.191)]

Which Mr. River is in the nuthouse. There is more than one in the group? KC

[Anonymous (152.163.101.12)]

to the one who said he is in a nut-house...one I'm a bit annoyed by your disrespect of the situation, however if you are serious, how do you know he is no longer with them? how do you know it's the same young man im talking about? Can you give me a name other than Ezkiel River, to let me know you know who Im talking about...or did you just post that to be cruel?

[lookatall (lookatall)]

A message from Aggressive Christianity Spirit Community website might answer the questions here. Strangely enough it has been suddenly removed from the sensational line up of topics. One has to ask why? One of the responders above seems to have "inside information." and is attempting to use ridicule to deflect his or her own fear about what has taken place concerning this young man and any liability that might be coming his or her way. This may also be a form of intimidation that must have worked for him or her in the past. Whoever you are fess up and right the wrong you have done. While we have life on earth God extends his grace to us if we confess our sins. Do you really want to be controlled by a woman who takes this uninformed and ridiculous
not to mention extremly harmful approach to a serious illness? Perhaps you don't understand these statements because of years of brainwashing
Also you certainly could do with some grammar lessons.
" From Website:
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[jbng (jbng)]

Sorry, didn't mean anything offensive by "nuthouse" that's just how I was raised to call it. Well then, let me restate
Ezekiel (Rob) is in a mental hospital.

[lookatall (lookatall)]

.............if this is true it is because of the treatment Mr.River received at the hands of the cult leaders.
According to the Rick Ross website which documents newspaper reports the Greens have caused other former members to be hospitalised .
They have literally driven others who enter the cult as compotent individuals to be functionless and so kick them out when they are of no further use to them. One young man under their care even died in Africa of malaria.
In any case how do you know this? Either you know Mr.River personally or you are making this up. This is a terrible commentary on what goes on in the cult if he has been hospitalised. What does go on there? Perhaps you know.
In any case how were you raised?

[jbng (jbng)]

you stated earlier that you just wanted to know if he was ok, and i tried to help you out by telling you he is. if you have any more questions, talk to his family.

[lookatall (lookatall)]

Bob Dylan- Blowin in the Wind

Yes, 'n' how many times can a man turn his head,
Pretending he just doesn't see?

[missingyou (missingyou)]

It's all so disturbing. A parent feels so helpless when their child, adult child, is in a cult like this. I am terrified too that my daughter, and her children, are not getting enough to eat, are cold in winter, and being abused. When someone in this cult gets ill...they kick them to the curb! The Greens don't want someone who can't earn their keep...like a slave. The slightest resistance to their commands results in punishment.....I never dreamed this could happen in my family, but it has, and now we are dealing with years of lost contact, and refusal of visits. After meeting other parents of kids in cults, I have deeper understanding of the heartache that we all feel...it is universal. Doesn't matter what the cult is: our kids are under the same kind of control, by the same kind of psychopath leader(s). I grieve not just for the loss of my daughter in my life, but for the loss of experiencing my own grandchildren, as well. At least I now know that there is still hope that she can come out, some people leave cults after 20+ years. I also know that some of the cult members read these posts..., so, if you are reading this, SSG, I love you, and miss you terribly, I will forever be here for you...no matter if it is my dying day.

[naomi (naomi)]

jbng, thank you for your information...at first the thought of him being in a "nuthouse" upset me, but after I thought about it, I came to the conclusion that any place is better than with the greens and maybe in the hospital he can get the proper care and recooporation that he needs. You obviously do know who my friend is, and the only last question I have is how do you know him?

[lookatall (lookatall)]

Yes, how do you know him?
If you do know him do you know others, like SSG mentioned above.If you are only trying to help please help her if you can. Help her by helping her and her family to escape the cult. It seems inconceivable that such suffering could go on in a free country like the U.S. What is wrong with these cult leaders and how have they got away with this? I see a policeman has posted on the other thread of this board. He may know how to help.

[lance (lance)]

I have a brother in this cult. Maybe someone knows him. He is married. His name is Brian but he goes by the name of Paul River and his wife's name is Stacy and she goes by the name of Grace or something like that. I haven't seen him since I was 12. My parents and I went to Fence Lake to see them. I would like to talk to him or write him but the leaders won't let us. They return all our mail. I miss him very much. I hope to go there when I graduate from school and see him again, but that won't be for another year and a half. If anyone knows my brother would you please let me know? Thanks, Lance

[missingyou (missingyou)]

Lance, you are talking about Brian, he is my son-in-law....I am Stacy's mom. I too, am turned away, and all mail comes back. I know what you are going through. Someone who is writing on this board is from the cult....they know exactly who we are talking about, but you know what, they don't care. They don't care that our hearts are breaking. Last time I saw you, Lance, was at the wedding....that was the beginning of this nightmare, wasn't it?

[lookatall (lookatall)]

Free Stacy and Brian!

Return , return them to their families.
Let them all in captivity be as as Rivers that run to the sea.
Restore the golden threads that have been frayed
by deceit but never broken. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+

[missingyou (missingyou)]

Lance, I didn't mean to imply that the wedding was the reason for the nightmare, but that we all soon after that began having less and less contact with S & B....as they moved to Kansas, then to you-know-where.

At any rate, we are all sad about this ...especially since now they have two babies who are growing up in that dreadful place.

[lance (lance)]

I was 7 when Brian got married and then they moved away a few months later. Then I didn't see him until I was 12. In about 3 weeks I will be 17. There is so much I would like to talk to Brian about. I would also like to shoot hoops with him, too. He was a really good basketball player. That is one of the reasons I started playing. I always thought he would come home and we could play basketball together. When we were out there it was in 2000. Did they have the babies then? If not how old are they? Maybe when I go out there again, I will get to see them. I know my sister Charlotte would like to see them. If you would like to e-mail me, my e-mail address is ThrillerMiller@att.net

[lance (lance)]

This is to my brother, Brian. If you read this I just wanted to let you know that I sent an e-mail to you and I hope you get it. If you do get it will you write me back. If you don't get it then I understand. I just wanted to let you know that I miss you and that I haven't forgotten you.

[lance (lance)]

If anyone from the ACMTC group reads this would you please tell my brother, Brian (Paul River), that I am trying to contact him. Thanks.

[lookatall (lookatall)]

I MUST POINT OUT THAT THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SUBJECT OF ABUSES THAT HAVE BEEN CARRIED OUT WITHIN THE ACMTC CULT.IT LOOK LIKE IT IS A SCAM TO ME WITH THE PURPOSE OF DRAWING ATTENTION AWAY FROM CLOSE SCRUTINY OF THE CULT. IT LOOKS LIKE
THE INFORMATION WAS TAKEN FROM SOME OTHER PLACE ON THE INTERNET AND POSTED BY SOMEONE INSIDE THE CULT. IF THIS IS TRUE IT WAS NOT VERY CLEVER, IF IT IS NOT TRUE I FOR ONE AM NOT INTERESTED IN THE BABBLINGS OF A CONMAN.

[adam (adam)]

Dear, Jim Green

I want to play a game with you. For years you have took peoples lives away form them and now we will find out how religious your are very soon you have 2 days to type back.
The game begins now!}}

[lance (lance)]

I cannot beleive Debra calls her self a prophet when she is nothing at all. She says she is so religious, well the Bible says honor thy father and mother, and you make these people turn there backs on them how dare you. Some religious person you are.

[lookatall (lookatall)]

THE POSTING I PLACED ON NOVEMBER 16TH FOLLOWED ANOTHER POSTING THAT HAS THANKFULLY BEEN REMOVED FOLLOWING LANCE'S MESSAGE. IT WAS A CHAIN LETTER SCAM FROM " PHILLYCAT " THAT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS POSTED TO DRAW ATTENTION AWAY FROM SOMEONE WHO WANTED PEOPLE TO STOP DISCUSSING THE ACMTC CULT.

[lance (lance)]

If anyone knows my brother please help me contact him.

[lance (lance)]

If any one knows my brother Brian Miller or Paul Rivers please help me contact him.

[lance (lance)]

Please, if anyone knows or has seen my brother brian please someone tell me!!!

[lookatall (lookatall)]

Protecting society and its individuals from harm has been delegated to the mental health community. When a gravely disabled pair such as the Greens pose " a danger to themselves or others. " what should be done?
How much danger do they pose to others?
Read all the postings. It is quite clear.
Send them to what they were raised to call "the nuthouse". They need help in order to stop being a danger to others..

[lookatall (lookatall)]

Lance, your brother and other members, both male and female may have been seen on Route 40
between Grants and Albuquerque at a truck stop, also selling bread from baskets outside Post offices and in restaurants in Grants , Phoenix, El Paso, Los Cruces, and Albuquerque. Also in these locations they are seen at Walmarts, Home Depots and outside videostores.
They are dropped off usually individually by a yellow school bus or another van and carry baskets and wear uniform like clothes and the men have long beards and the women wear long dresses. As they sell without permits, when they are "discovered" by the police or people who confront them they go to another location in the town as it is an extension of their obsession with hiding from whomever they are afraid to talk to. The Greens above all, do not want to confront the truth about themselves.
It is interesting that the Greens survive by using the money hardearned by others who buy their bread who operate in the system that they say is going to hell. Does the word hypocrisy come to mind?
Do they love their customers with Gods love or mock them for being part of the system they claim to have separated themselves from?. How about the slave labor of those who bake the bread?
It is such a tragedy that you have not seen yor brother but there are many that are praying for all the victims there to be released. Have hope!!!!.
As to your question about who has seen them. Anyone who happens to come across them in a town within driving distance of Fence Lake (under 7 hours). A town that is sizable is the only place they will not attract too much attention. The police and the government are watching them, but are happy that they are in an isolated area as they think they will cause less trouble there.
One day your brother will return to you with an understanding that he has been deceived and that rather than doing Gods work he is working for the Greens!. That is the very sad thing that the members there truly believe thy are serving God.

[ezekiel (ezekiel)]

For any who want to know, I am Ezekiel River. I was part of the group for a year and a half, and I miss them dearly. They are wonderful people and speak the message of God's truth. I left the group in October of 2004, but they are still very dear to me. I am sure that many people have made up stories about the group. Anyway, my name by birth is Rob Lopez to confirm my identity. All I know is that one day in heaven the only thing that will matter is that we lived our lives for truth. if oyu would like to contact me my email is
jcislove7@myway.com