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jehus_wife (jehus_wife)

12-02-2004, 02:42 PM

Perhaps one should go and see what is happening there now. People change and things change too. Only God is the constant and He is able to bring life where there was death and joy where there was sorrow, beauty for ashes as the Bible says.

Often when a new work is starting, it is vital for the one who God gave the dream to to hold it close and allow the Holy Spirit to hover over it and perfect it. Sometimes people can get possessive or controlling at this stage, until they have enough people in place that are trained up in God's ways and have developed a heart for the work and a willingness to serve. God develops trust between His children, but it is a process. Many pastors have trouble letting go when they have had to start a huge work. far bigger than they are. Through prayer, they give it back to God and allow others to "touch" what they have labored for and dreamed of and even protected for so many years. The one starting the work is accountable to God, so they must proivide for excellence in what the Lord is requiring of them; at the same time, looking and seeking for those "armor bearers" to help, while they lean upon God. So often people join a work that is "up and coming" and their gifts are not understood and this causes a rift. It is very unfortunate, and I'm not sure of the situation of the church that you are talking about, but the fact that you have written an evil report shows me that you are probably complaining more than praying. I know your need to "get the word out to protect the sheep" is strong, and although this is good, in it's intent........ we should always check back on a work with an open and forgiving heart before we send the alarm......... even check back after the alarm has been sent. Why? Because we serve an awesome and amazing God who is able to send His Holy Spirit upon people and cause them to change, them AND us. I do not attend this church, and I do feel the pain in your heart and worry in your soul. But, as the Lord Jesus walked on water so many years ago, He still walks on it today. Wherever this church is, I pray that the Lord arrive and be glorified!

Genesis 50 says that what the enemy means for evil, God means for good and John said that if we believe, we shall see the glory of God.......... may we always hold in prayer, believing that our God is big enough to make good come from evil! Every Blessing as you go forward in Jesus.

jc4me (jc4me)

12-07-2004, 10:22 AM

Perhaps once should not go back and see what is happening in a church where everything looks good on the outside but on the inside, when your in leadership, it's NOT!

I agree people change but when you are a "Pastor" You don't treat people particularly the associates wife, who opened her home to them-relocated for the "Pastors" dream of a stadium filled with believers, like they don't matter, then you kick them out, threaten them and spread rumors about them, tell everyone going to that church to stop talking to her simple because it will look better to the congreagation since the associate pastor decided to divorce his wife only because he said he picked the wrong wife-years later...Where's the moral values there? Advocating divorce and not standing up for reconciliation! Nor do you start one church , then show up one Sunday- and say well folks...without warning...this is our last service- you been given to another church..see ya, & expect people not to be devestated. Planning to leave & instructing leadership to keep it secret .Something is wrong with that picture.

I know no one is perfect but when you say that you love God's people shouldn't you want to be kind and generous and do the best for them to keep their heart from hurt. To me it seems that it's all about what the "Pastor's" dream is but I don't think fulfilling that dream included hurting God's other children..does it? It was not about what's best for the people that God supposidly entrusted in his care but what looked good. It wasn't about honesty but secrecy and control.

Yes, God can change hearts and reconcile wrongs but if this "Pastor" has truly changed than don't you think that an apology and reconciliation should be made to that person and all the other people who left the church because of how the situation was handled?

JEhus-wife..says it sounds like more complaining than praying...I don't think it's about complaining its about saving people the misery of having to recover from unhealthy leadership and controlling factors..It's getting people to realize that what they need is not a relationship with the "Pastor" as their God but a relationship with the one true living God. You can pray until your blue in the face but God still gave free will and if they choose to continue on the same path then it won't be for the glory of God it will be to glorify the pocket book. I have attended this church in the past, was part of the leadership and I know the woman it happened to.

All I can say is even though it was horrible Thank God that we all did not spend one more day under that kind of leadership and that God saved us. The bible says be weary of Wolves in sheeps clothing...sometimes that wolf can be in leadership and when it is it leaves the sheep of the church devestaed and that is all I think was trying to be prevented by "Annony"'s comment.

I also understand that "Pastors" are human and that no church is perfect but don't you think as a "Pastor" (which means shephard) you should lead the congregation by example and if that is the example of how you treat people then why in the world would anyone want to be a part of a church that can hurt rather than heal. I know my God is a healing God not a hurting God. The whole submit to authority verse I think is taken out of context. What the pastor say doesn't always go! It's what God says that ALWAYS goes! And God says trust in HIm with all our heart not in a MAN!

plentius (plentius)

01-07-2005, 08:41 AM

To Anonymous. The "Jon Adamson" mentioned above is NOT the one from King City (just to clarify). Unless there were two of them from King City, that is another "Jon Adamson".

overseas (overseas)

01-07-2005, 11:31 AM

RE: cults & pastors. Tell you about my interpretation of the following famous Hebrews verse: "Obey your leaders and submit to their authority. They keep watch over you as men who must give an account."

I recognise somebody to be my pastor not cause he is voted, ordained or self appointed. But only if he is 'watching' me = that is serving me like Christ. Also the pastor should show clear marks of someone aware of his accountability to God. But accountable regarding what - abstract ministry, evangelism, charity ? NO. A pastor's main goal are the people of the congregation that should benefit of his attention, love, patience and knowledge.
Show me that and I obey you as my pastor. Come claim your authority over me without those marks and I am gonna kick you. With love.

have_seen (have_seen)

02-24-2005, 11:04 PM

I think people get hurt by things and through the hurt they speak. I don't think it's for anyone to judge and say what God has the right to say, and judge. However the people involved, and they know who they are, on all sides were hurt, through whatever, and whoever's fault, we all know the devil comes to steal, kill and destroy. I think as christians we are not to facilitate the devils agenda. We simply learn from our life lessons, and pray for God to change and mold us. People can talk about this Pastor all they want, and say how bad he is, but remember he is human too. And I would say even more under attack due to the fact that he is a shepard of a flock. And until you have been in those shoes nobody can talk. It's alot of pressure and the devil steps in through the cracks we have in our lives, it is our job to make ourselves accesible and our hearts pliable for God to work with. I know alot of the people involved and I have never chose a side, I love them all dearly as family. All I am saying is don't allow the devil to make a sticky situation a mountain in your life. People are entitled to feel the way they feel, but that's where the question of the believers heart is. David, I would say was a pretty terrible person in some instances. But God still used him and forgave. We need to learn to do the same, and like I said, those who were involved can go there own seperate ways, but don't let that block your blessings. And don't let that situation consume your life, and hinder your own personal walk with God. Forgive those people, and move on. Don't back-bite and talk, God does not like a murmurer and such. Just pray for that person, until you are blue in the face, and let the Holy Spirit be the Holy Spirit and let God be God and judge and forgive, and heal, and restore like the God he is. A God of life and peace. And just don't worry about it, God says its for him to deal with all those things and let's all focus to strive for the high-call in Christ Jesus. I love everyone and don't like people I love and respect to be hurt, just trust God, and let him do HIS JOB!
Take care and God bless everyone! I love you all!}}

jc4me (jc4me)

03-03-2005, 01:22 PM

In response to Have_Seen.

I respect your comments but if we are not to facilitate the devils agenda then what do you call what happened a freak mistake or better yet God's Will? I don't think so. Slandering someone, creating devestation in someones life by the direct action of a Pastor that is supposidely there to cover them spiritually. What kind of a response should that get. A No big deal,just pray for them? Do you expect that person to just take it? Would you? You say everyone on all sides were hurt but there is only 1 person who's life was completely devestated by the Associate Pastors actions and by the "Pastor's" words. 1 person slaughtered and made to blame for everything, right? u say you know alot of the people involved and have never chosen a side,but reality is everyone must choose a side they believe to be true. That's just the way it goes. No one is making this sticky situation a mountain in anyones life simply stating the facts as they happened. It's all the truth and no matter how human the "Pastor" is he has hurt a lot of people I know but hey it's business as usual. Fake it til you make it. That's a joke! You say Just move on-how nice for them that they can just do that no big deal! Of course you were not the individual made to blame for everything!So what if it was your Assoc.'s marriage , who cares now since he's been married off again. How convienient. Now it's really God this time and the 1st wife never exsisted. All I can say is don't be a hypocrite! If divorce is okay with you as a pastor then say it don't pretend to be riding the fence about it! Don't abandon them when they don't fit your purpose anymore-as if they were garbage. That is why there are so many people who don't want to go to church because no one is real. Its a show! it's a little hard for God to do HIS JOB when the so called "Pastor" is killing his own flock or at least tearing them down so they don't even know what they believe anymore. How loving is that? i'm sure that one day everyone will heal from this but to act like it was okay and just pray til your blue in the face is crazy. I'm sure God will deal with it. God help the individual entrusted with the care of God's flock especially when they are treated with utter disregard!}

lighthouse_keeper (lighthouse_keeper)

03-19-2005, 06:34 AM

I again will ask what anonymous asked
"is this cult/church in Visalia, CA? "
I know the ministerial staff and since this church began I have had questions about it.
so it makes me wonder what is going on.

jc4me (jc4me)

04-09-2005, 09:47 PM

to lighthouse_keeper---in answer to your question...
Yes!!! This cult/church is in Visalia CA!
You should wonder what is going on!

moorehead (moorehead)

05-12-2005, 12:27 AM

Thre is a lot of hostility going on in this forum. I have nothing to do with any of this...I happen to be looking for a church in Visalia and was referred to "Sound of His Voice" by a friend and looked it up on-line.

It sounds like there was some hurt and control going on but I agree that there is more complaining and attacking than praying going on. I understand what it is like...being in a controlling environment, but you truly will find some of that everywhere...especially with "prophetic-types". So the question is, what are you going to do about it? Smear Jesus' people all over the internet? or learn from it and let the Lord heal you? With this type of person you probably will not be able to confront them successfully, and they will probably never appologize...it's just the way the personality goes...but you can move on from here and I hope you have. Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is FREEDOM...no one can take that from you so don't be threatened. What you take on as control may be just what brings freedom to another. I guess what I want to say is...let it go.

I agree there is probably a lot of wrong thinking going on in the "pastor" (as you put it) and the church, but the attitudes I have read here and the outright gossip are not reflective of Jesus' Spirit in you.

cdtm (cdtm)

05-19-2005, 08:13 PM

I was going to this church when my husband and I got married, we loved it! Then we moved and didn't find anything we liked, and now we are back and going to this church, but we are having some problems with it now. We had contacted the pastor's office for consueling and never got a returned called, so I had to call and make an apt. Then last night my husband went to church and they said they have no day care tonight and everybody seemed to be really rude. We wanted to go to this church, but now we feel like maybe we should look for another church. I pray that God will make his way in this church!!

airborne_315 (airborne_315)

05-20-2005, 03:01 AM

I would like to know what you people come to the conclusion on how this church is a cult. I know Jaohoeva Wittness is a cult or I called them the BORG because they go around trying to simulate people into their collective. The people is what makes the body of the church not the pastor. The pastor leads the church on what the Holy Spirit tells him to do. Now people in the church should lift up everyone even the pastor because people get beat up everytime in the spirit relam. Yes what that pastor did about leaving his wife and committ adultry to another that is his problem him and God. Yes I think he should step down because that would be misreprenting the church. Another thing people should shut up and listen to other people and stop say " ohhh just pray about it" THat is fear, Pray and speak it out to people. God uses people and people are lead by the holy spirit to help others. Yeah instead of telling people "Ohh this is an attack" well listen and maybe help them because they are people, GOD's people and they believe in Christ or maybe not. All of us have problems that we through everyday. The most thing I don't like in a church is when they sell their stupid garbage to get people to spend money instead of saving it or help out in a finanical crisis. "Oh come to church and pray also bring some cash or shee cash or your husband paycheck." That right there I don't like, remember in the Bible Jesus himself ravage through his church because people were making a flea market out of it after service. So blam yourself for not helping them. After carrying on with this message I ask again "Define your cult and what makes this "Sound of his Voice" a Cult???

jc4me (jc4me)

06-16-2005, 08:27 AM

TO CDTM: My opinion is that it was God saving you from horrible counseling! Find another church where the pastors value marriage as sacred and spouses are not exchangeable. Where you will be treated with value and respect not because you bring in your money but because you are part of Gods family. I was part of the ministerial staff there and what I experienced there was nothing short of a cult. Control, manipulation, and lots of secrecy. Get out while you still can...so that everything you've known about God is not shaken by what these people are calling church!

t153 (t153)

08-15-2005, 10:43 PM

DEAR ANNOYED, ALL OF US GO THROUGH SOME TYPE OF SERIOUS OFFENSE AT ONE TIME OR ANOTHER IN OUR LIVES, BUT THE OUTCOME OF THESE TRIALS ARE TOTALLY UP TO US. TRIALS WILL EITHER MAKE US OR THEY WILL BREAK US, THEY WILL EITHER MAKE US BETTER, OR THEY WILL MAKE US BITTER. IN PHIL. 2:5 IT SAYS, "LET THIS MIND(ATTITUDE) BE IN YOU WHICH WAS ALSO IN CHRIST JESUS..." AND IN 1PETER 2:21-23 IT SAYS, "FOR T0 THIS YOU WERE CALLED, BECAUSE CHRIST ALSO SUFFERED FOR US LEAVING US AN EXAMPLE, THAT YOU SHOULD FOLLOW HIS STEPS: WHO COMMITTED NO SIN, NOR WAS DECEIT FOUND IN HIS MOUTH: WHO WHEN HE WAS REVILED, (DID NOT REVILE IN RETURN): WHEN HE SUFFERED, HE (DID NOT THREATEN), BUT COMMITTED HIMSELF TO HIM WHO JUDGES RIGHTEOUSLY. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT PEOPLE HAVE DONE TO US, WHAT MATTERS IN GODS EYES IS HOW WE RESPOND TO PEOPLE. JESUS SAID, "IN MY GREATEST HOUR OF NEED, MY CLOSEST FRIENDS DESERTED ME. JUDAS BETRAYED ME, PETER DENIED ME AND THE REST FLED FOR THEIR LIVES. ONLY JOHN FOLLOWED FROM A FAR. WE CAN EITHER HARBOR BITTERNESS AND SEEK JUSTICE, OR WE CAN LAY IT AT THE FOOT OF THE CROSS, AND LET GOD HEAL OUR HEARTS. THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS, WHEN WE STAND BEFORE GOD WE STAND ALONE AND WE GIVE AN ACCOUNT OF OURSELVES BEFORE GOD. IF WE HARBOR BITTERNESS AND UNFORGIVENESS IN OUR HEARTS, THEN ALL WE HAVE ACCOMPLISHED IN DOING IS TAKING EVERYONE ELSES FAULTS AND FAILURES AND MAKING THEM OUR OWN. SO YOU SAY, "I AM JUST TRYING TO WARN PEOPLE SO THEY WON'T BE HURT IN THE SAME WAY THAT I WAS HURT! BUT I HAVE TO ASK YOU THE QUESTION, "DO YOU KNOW WHAT IS IN THE HEART OF MAN? WHILE WE ARE STEPPING ON THEM, GOD COULD BE TRYING TO LIFT THEM UP. THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS, ALL OF US AT ONE TIME OR ANOTHER HAVE MADE STUPID DECISIONS, AND BAD CHOICES. TELL ME, DO YOU THINK GOD IS STANDING IN HEAVEN WITH A SCALE MEASURING SIN? IS THE SIN OF ADULTERY WORSE THAN THE SIN OF UNFORGIVENESS? IS HATRED WORSE THAN THE SIN OF MURDER? WE HAVE ALL SINNED AND FALLEN SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD. BUT WHILE WE WERE SINNERS CHRIST DIED FOR US. IN EPHESIANS 5:1&2 IT SAYS, "THEREFORE BE IMITATORS OF GOD, AS BELOVED CHILDREN: (2)AND WALK IN LOVE, JUST AS CHRIST ALSO LOVED YOU, AND GAVE HIMSELF UP FOR US, AN OFFERING AND A SACRIFICE TO GOD AS A FRAGRANT AROMA. AND IN GAL. 6:1 IT SAYS, "BRETHREN, EVEN IF A MAN IS CAUGHT IN (ANY) TRESPASS, YOU WHO ARE SPIRITUAL, RESTORE SUCH A ONE IN A (SPIRIT OF GENTLENESS): EACH ONE LOOKING TO YOURSELF, LEST YOU TOO BE TEMPTED." THERE ARE MANY TIMES WHEN WE FEEL WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO CAST A RAILING JUDGEMENT, AND WARN PEOPLE. BUT IN JUDE 1:9 IT SAYS, "BUT MICHAEL THE ARCHANGEL, WHEN HE DISPUTED WITH THE DEVIL AND ARGUED ABOUT THE BODY OF MOSES, (DID NOT DARE) PRONOUNCE AGAINST HIM A RAILING JUDGMENT, BUT SAID, THE LORD REBUKE YOU" AND IN PROVERBS 18:19 IT SAYS, "A BROTHER OFFENDED IS HARDER TO WIN THAN A STRONG CITY, AND CONTENTIONS ARE LIKE THE BARS OF A CASTLE." WE MAY FEEL WE HAVE THE RIGHT! AND THAT MIGHT BE TRUE IN THE NATURAL SENSE! BUT OUR WAYS ARE NOT GODS WAYS, NOR OUR THOUGHTS HIS THOUGHTS. THERE IS A WAY WHICH SEEMS TO BE RIGHT UNTO MAN, BUT THE END THEREOF ARE THE WAYS OF DEATH AND DESTRUCTION. AND WHAT REALLY MATTERS IS WHAT GOD THINKS ABOUT US. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE DOES, IT MATTERS WHAT WE DO. IN PHIL. 2:12 IT SAYS, "SO THEN, MY BELOVED, JUST AS YOU HAVE ALWAYS OBEYED, NOT AS IN MY PRESENCE ONLY, BUT NOW MUCH MORE IN MY ABSENCE, WORK OUT YOUR SALVATION(DELIVERANCES) WITH FEAR AND TREMBLING. FOR IT IS GOD WHO IS AT WORK IN YOU, BOTH TO WILL AND TO WORK FOR HIS GOOD PLEASURE. (14) DO ALL THINGS WITHOUT GRUMBLING OR DISPUTING (15) THAT YOU MAY PROVE (YOURSELVES)TO BE BLAMELESS AND INNOCENT.." NOW IF THE HAND WRITING WAS ON THE WALL WE WOULD ALL BE WEIGHED IN THE BALANCE AND WOULD BE FOUND WANTING. WE NEED TO FORGIVE AS GOD DOES, WITHOUT LIMITS. BESIDES BLASPHEMING AGAINST THE HOLY GHOST, WHAT SIN WILL NOT BE FORGIVEN" IT IS THE SIN OF UNFORGIVENESS. THE BIBLE SAYS IN 1PET. 2:12 KEEP YOUR BEHAVIOR EXCELLENT AMONG THE GENTILES, SO THAT IN THE THING IN WHICH THEY SLANDER YOU AS EVILDOERS, THEY MAY ON ACCOUNT OF YOUR GOOD DEEDS, AS THEY OBSERVE THEM, GLORIFY GOD IN THE DAY OF VISITATION". EXCELLENT BEHAVIOR IS NOT SOMETHING THAT IS INSTANT AT CONVERSION, BUT RATHER, IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS LEARNED. TITUS 3:14 "LET OUR PEOPLE ALSO LEARN TO ENGAGE IN GOOD DEEDS. " BEFORE YOU WERE IN YOUR MOTHERS WOMB GOD LOVED YOU AND CHOSE YOU. BEFORE HE CREATED THE HEAVENS AND ALL ITS ANGELIC HOST, BEFORE HE CREATED THE GALAXY IN ALL ITS SPLENDOR, BEFORE HE CREATED THE EARTH AND ALL ITS BEAUTY. WHEN HE HAD IN HIS POWER TO CREATE WHAT HE WANTS, WHEN HE WANTS, AND WHERE HE WANTS, HE CHOSE TO CREATE YOU, WHEN HE COULD HAVE CONDEMNED US ALL TO HELL, HE CHOSE US IN OUR FALLEN STATE. IN EZEK. 16;4-6 IT SAYS, "ON THE DAY OF YOUR BIRTH, YOUR NAVAL CORD WAS NOT CUT, NOR WERE YOU WASHED, YOU WERE NOT RUBBED WITH SALT OR WRAPPED IN CLOTHES. NO EYE LOOKED ON YOU WITH PITY, NO ONE HAD COMPASSION ON YOU. YOU WERE THROWN OUT INTO THE OPEN FIELD. WHEN I PASSED BY YOU AND SAW YOU SQUIRMING IN YOUR BLOOD, I SAID TO YOU LIVE! (I SAID TO YOU WHILE YOU WERE IN YOU BLOOD LIVE!)" IN OTHER WARDS, I CHOSE YOU WHILE YOU WERE IN YOUR CHILDHOOD FOLLIES AND SINS, AND I DETERMINED TO MAKE YOU MINE. I WATCHED OVER YOU AS YOU GREW AND DANCED THE DANCE OF DEATH WITH SATAN. I CHOSE YOU WHEN IN ADULTHOOD YOU THREW YOUR FIST IN THE AIR AND CURSE ME. I CHOSE YOU WHEN I WATCHED YOU WASTE YOUR LIFE AWAY WITH ADDICTIONS AND WHEN LUST LEAD YOU AROUND BY THE RING IN YOUR NOSE. AND WHILE YOU WERE DEAD IN TRESPASSES AND SINS, I CHOSE TO LAY DOWN MY LIFE FOR YOU. I AM NOT SPEAKING OF YOU ONLY, BUT ALL OF US. IN IS. 48:10 IT SAYS," BEHOLD, I HAVE REFINED (BURNED) YOU, BUT NOT AS SILVER, I HAVE CHOSEN(TESTED) YOU IN THE FURNACE OF AFFLICTION. I HAVE TO ASK THE QUESTION, "WILL WE BE EXCELLENT AFTER WE HAVE BEEN TESTED"? OR WILL WE BE SAYING THE WORDS OF AARON,"I PUT GOLD INTO THE FURNACE AND OUT CAME A CALF"? ARE WE NOT BUILDING OUR OWN IDOLS OF RESENTMENT? PLEASE I AM BEGGING YOU, START POURING INTO YOURSELF WORDS OF FORGIVENESS, WORDS OF NURISHMENT, WORDS OF HEALING. GOD LOVES YOU AND DOESN'T WANT YOU TO BE LOST.

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(Message edited by T153 on August 25, 2005)

jc4me (jc4me)

09-29-2005, 09:01 AM

TO T153---OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN QUOTE LOTS OF SCRIPTURE FROM THE BIBLE....AND WOULDN'T IT BE NICE IF PREACHERS INTERPETED IT THE WAY JESUS INTENDED IT BUT SOMETIMES THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN..HENCE YOU GET THE CULT- SUBTLE AS IT MAY BE. SO YOUR OPINION OF ANNOYED'S COMMENT IS RESENTMENT I THINK ITS GOD OPENING PEOPLES EYES TO THE TRUTH. THE TRUTH THAT JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE IS A PASTOR DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY ARE NOT WAY OFF AND WRONG. SO YOU'RE SAYING WHEN SOMEONE IN A "LEADERSHIP" POSITION MAKES A BAD CHOICE THAT AFFECT MANY PEOPLE'S LIVES THEY SHOULD JUST SUCK IT UP.. I DISAGREE. I THINK THEY SHOULD STAND UP FOR WHAT IS MORALLY RIGHT AND WHAT THEY BELIEVE. PASTORS ARE PUT UP IN SUCH HIGH PEDESTALS THAT NO ONE CAN QUESTION THEM- WITHOUT BEING LABELED TROUBLE MAKERS. YES WE ARE ALL HUMAN EVERYONE HAS BEEN HURT BUT TO NOT STAND UP FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVE THAN WHY BE A CHRISTIAN IN THE FIRST PLACE? YOU CAN THROW EVERY SCRIPTURE IN THE BIBLE TO ME- WHAT ABOUT THE ONE THAT SAID...BE CAREFUL OF WOLVES IN SHEEPS CLOTHING....THAT CAN BE SOMEONE IN LEADERSHIP TOO...NOT JUST THE FLOCK.....WHAT ABOUT THE SCRIPTURE..GOD HATES DIVORCE....WHAT ABOUT BE FAITHFUL TO THE WIFE OF YOUR YOUTH...WHAT ABOUT ALL OF THOSE SCRIPTURE....I'M POSITIVE THESE PEOPLE WILL NEVER APOLIGIZE TO THE ONES THEY HURT AND DEVESTATED THEIR LIVES..I'M SURE ALL THOSE INVOLVED HAS MOVED ON WITH THEIR LIVES BUT DON'T YOU THINK GOD WOULD WANT THINGS TO BE CORRECTED? I THINK PEOPLE FREAK OUT WHEN YOU SAY A CHURCH IS A CULT BUT WHEN PEOPLE SAY OH THEY GOT DIVORCED OR ENDED A PREGNANCY IT'S SO COMMON NOW THAT IT BECOMES NO BIG DEAL EVEN TO CHRISITIANS. WHEN DID THOSE MORAL GUIDELINES THAT GOD SET UP BE THROWN OUT THE WINDOW AND WHY IS IT SO HARD TO BELIEVE THAT A CHURCH CAN BE A CULT. YES PEOPLE WERE WRONGED.PEOPLE MOVE ON BUT THE RIGHT THING TO DO FOR SOMEONE THAT HAS BEEN TREATED WRONGLY IS GET AN APOLOGY FROM THE ONE WHO WRECKED THEIR LIFE. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED--UNLESS YOU WERE THERE----AND I DOUBT THAT THIS PERSON WILL EVER GET THEIR APOLOGY AND I'M SURE THEY REALIZE THAT TOO AND HAS MOVE ON AS WELL..

t153 (t153)

10-04-2005, 09:33 AM

What the fault-finding demon uses against us is our past mistakes and poor decisions. We all have made mistakes. Hopefully, we have learned from them and have developed humility because of them. The fault-finding demon takes our past mistakes and parades them before our memory, criticizing our efforts to do God's will, thus keeping us in bondage to the past. Heb. 12:1 says, "Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which so easily ensnares us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us..." And in Phil. 3:13 it says,"Brethren, I do not count myself to have apprehended; but one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind and reaching forward to those things which are ahead, I press toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus."
As for the "cult warning", I have taught on the cults for years. Cults always deny:
1. The incarnation of Christ.
2. The virgin birth.
3. The Deity of Christ.
4. The blood atonement.
5. The physical resurrection.

The sound of His Voice Christian Fellowship do not deny any of these area's. For more information on the Cults a good website for you to study is www.blb.org (http://www.blb.org) "Blue Letter Bible Institute". Click on audio/video, then on Dr. Walter Martin. That is if you are really interested in expanding your knowledge. Since The Sound of His voice does not fall in the catagory of "Cult", that makes them brethren. So forgive, forget, and for your own sake, go on.

The enemy in these last days has unleashed a league of demons on the church with the full intent of turning us against each other. If he can get us to focus on the faults instead of looking beyond the faults and seeing the need, then he has the church right where he wants it constantly offended, hurt and fighting each other. Remember Satan is the accuser of the brethren, and he is constantly standing before God accusing the saints. He is the Prince of accusers, and he is very good at planting accusational seeds in the minds of Gods children. In Rev. 12:10-11 it says, "Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, "Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down. (11)And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony..."
As for the statement, "I don't know because I have not been there", believe me, I have had enough pain in this world to fill two, maybe three lifetimes, including the murder of my beloved friend Loreta Davis, but by the grace and mercy of God, I'm not in bondage to none of them. Trust me, her murderer never apologized. And with such freedom, I will Qoute you Gods word not mine, Mathew 5:44 "Love your enemies" even if your enemy happens to be a brother. And no I do not take lightly any of God's word. His word to me is a lamp unto my feet and a light unto my path. Sincerely t153

(Message edited by T153 on October 06, 2005)

(Message edited by T153 on October 06, 2005)

jas3766 (jas3766)

10-13-2005, 10:43 PM

To jc4me

If you were a million miles away I would still feel your pain and betrayal. I too have been crushed by those in leadership positions including Pastors. Getting over it was one of the hardest things I have ever gone through in my life. My pain was so intense I felt justified in "helping others to see the light" I didn't get it for the longest time that whereas my complaint might have been legitimate, my unfaithful behavior toward God and my lack of belief in Him (that he would take care of the problem and me) was killing me spiritually. The person who hurt me spiritually did a whole lot of good for a whole lot of people, but, in my case, I was not just hurt, but devastated to the point that I questioned my salvation, my sanity, my desire to even live. That is not the Pastor's or leadership's problem or fault. It is my own. I had to finally get past my personal feelings and start remembering all of the good these people had done. I had to start trusting Christ on my own two feet. These people who hurt me are not a "cult" or "pure evil" They were just people who are prone to things like pride and denial the same as you and I. I am so deeply sorry that you and others were hurt. But "informing" others as your "Christian duty" is a tool of the enemy to tear us all down. Believe me. I know. As the old saying goes....Let go and let God. Remember, those in leadership get it 1000 times worse than we do as far as temptation and they are judged so harshly by everyone. As you said, they are put on a pedestal, but who put them there? and who are the first ones to pull or knock them off? Please let it go. My heart feels "squeezed" just remembering the pain of those days and I hope to God I never feel it again and I will pray that your pain ends soon.
Love in Christ,
Julieann

child_of_the_king (child_of_the_king)

10-19-2005, 08:27 PM

Well, I dont want to "dog" anyone...the only thing I want to say is that we dont go there anylonger and for good reasons....We were involved in the other church that joined them at the time and it was a disaster...We all felt like we were being thrown into the Sound of His Voice and had no choice, we attend service one Sunday morning and we were told it was our last service and from that day forward we attended Sound of His Voice....When we arrived, we were given a set of so called "rules" that we all had to sign if we wanted to be a part of this church...At that point it sounded like a "cult" to me...

We have since left over 1 year ago and recently visited to find out that the Associate Pastor and his wife were gone, the Music Ministry Pastors were gone and the Pastor who lead us there in the beginning was also gone...And the last thing I wondered about is that the Pastor is now doing everything; music leader, starting the service, all the preaching, etc...he has no one helping him, I wondered about that as well...

so there you have it "cult or not"..I still do not believe we are to judge this Pastor, that is God's job, not ours...}}

t153 (t153)

10-20-2005, 08:59 AM

To Child-Of-The-King:

First of all I would like to refresh your memory.
It was only given to those who desired to fill a leadership position. Second, not wanting those in leadership to drink, smoke, or watch rated R movies does not make it a cult. Third, if bad decisions were made in the past, is it any wonder that restrictions have tightened concerning leadership positions? Now for the sermon.http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/uhoh.gif
Is.57:14 And it will be said; "Build up, Build up, Pre-pare the road! Remove the obstacles out of the way of my people.

I have to ask God, "what exactly are obstacles and stumbling blocks" The only way we can clearly identify some of these is by looking at scripture.

Vines Dictionary Of The Hebrew and Greek Words defines the following:

1. We find in Prov. 16:18 the haughty spirit becomes a stumbling block to ones self.

2. Teaching false doctrine leads people astray, and throws a stumbling block in the path of Salvation. Ro. 16:17

3. The partaking of praying to images or idols, becomes a stumbling block to ones self. Hos. 4:17

4. Spiritual Hindrance to another by the selfish use of liberty. Ro.14:19,20,21.

Now, lets focus on these scriptures.

V:19 Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and mutual edification. V:20 (Do not destroy the work of God) for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a man to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble. V:21 It is better not to eat meat or drink wine, (or do anything else) that will cause your brother to stumble."
I guess I have to ask the question, what does the scripture mean when it includes the words, "or do anything else"? I will give you a moment to think about this.

Lets take the stumbling block issue a little further. There are two Greek words for stumbling block that I am going to emphasize on:

Lexical Aids of The New Testament
1. Skandalon-Def: Skandalon always denotes the enticement or occasion leading to conduct which brings with it the ruin of the person in question.

Vines Dictionary of The Greek and Hebrew Words
1. Skandalon-Def: skandalon is always used metaphorically, and ordinarily of anything that (arouses prejudice), or becomes a hindrance to others... I have to ask the question, "Is what being said in this forum arousing prejudice?

The second Greek word for stumbling block is:

Lexical Aids To The New Testament
2. Ta Skandalon-Def: things which lead others to turn away from Gods salvation and thus to come to ruin. Mt.18:7, Lk 17:1

I have to ask the question, "Is the conversation in this forum drawing people to Christ, or chasing them away?"

This same Greek word is used in Mt.18:7 "Woe to the world because of it's stumbling blocks! for it is inevitable that stumbling blocks come; but woe to that man through whom the stumbling block comes. So the best way to avoid the woe of God's judgement is to follow 1John 2:10 The one who loves his brother abides in the light and there is (no cause) for stumbling in him.
Now I will end this sermon with the scripture I started with.
Is. 57:14 And it will be said, "BUILD UP, BUILD UP, pre-pare the road! Remove the obstacles out of the way of my people. So lets build up and not tear down.}
Love You Guys, Sincerely Jeannette http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/biggrin.gif

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child_of_the_king (child_of_the_king)

10-21-2005, 12:51 AM

To: T153

First of all..I didnt mean any harm towards anyone,..I was just placing my opinion...And it wasnt just to be in leadership that you had to sign, it was to be involved in anything, i.e., singing, ushering, etc...leadership to me means: Pastorital Staff, maybe I;m wrong...

Secondly, I never called it a cult...I was just stating what happened to us, that doesnt make it one...but you are sure defending it like it is...

Thirdly, what happend to all the others that were in leadership, why are they all gone? and why is it a one-man show now?...Just curious...Not that it is wrong, but there are a lot of people who would like to know...It seems that way, from everything I have been reading...

And it seems to me that you are very defensive about all of it...it doesnt have to be that way..and everyone is entiltled to their own opinion, I see that you have a very strong opionion.

I really hope that others do not see this as attack arena, but it is coming across that way...I mean no harm towards you, or anyone else...and I DO NOT feel as it is a cult...

I wish them all the best and hope everything can turn around for them....I know if it is God's will, this church will remain open, no matter what any of us say or do...

t153 (t153)

10-22-2005, 12:14 AM

Dear Child of the King:

I suppose the best way to find out what happened is to ask them, not post an opinion in a wounded a chatroom.

Often times the human thing to do when we experience pain, or get wounded, is to cry out. But before we cry out, we need to take into consideration who might be affected by what we say and do. Remember, Life and death is held in the power of the tongue. We can either pour salt in the wound, or minister God's word and pray that it sheds light upon dark situations. If all I have to offer is my opinion, then that is exactly what it is, my opinion. I have prayed over what to say and how to bring healing in this chat room.

The human thing to do when we experience pain is to lean on human emotions and understanding. But no matter who we are, or what position we hold, we all must line up to the word of God. God's word is the only thing that will enlighten, bring healing, and keep us on the right track. None of us are exempt.

If we really what to please God, then before we speak we should ask God, "God, is what I am about to say going to help bring healing, or is it going to make the wound infected". Is what I am about to say, going to please you God? Help me God to put a guard on my lips, because your word says that I am going to be judged by every idle word that proceeds out of my mouth. Mt. 12:36 All of us that call ourselves God's children, must apply this scripture to our lives. Because if we open our mouths, God can't open his.

I am sorry for your pain, I'm sure you lost something that was precious to you. But some of the church that murged with The Sound of His Voice, are growing there, and love the Pastors very much. If The Sound of His Voice is not for you, then I pray you find your place in the Lord.

As for my part in this forum, I have both defended, and tried to minister healing only by the use of God's word. Prov. 15:23 A man has joy in an apt answer, and how delightful is a timely word. We can either speak life into a dead situation, or pick up a club and help beat the slain.

My prayer for this chatroom is that everyone will focus on God, and his word and not on the pains and sorrows of this life. Phil. 4:8-9 Finally, bethren, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is of good repute, if there is any excellence and if anything worthy of praise, let your mind dwell on these things. (9) The things you have learned and received and heard and seen in me, (practice) these things; and the God of (peace) shall be with you. Love N Christ, Sincerely, Jeannette.

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forgive1st (forgive1st)

10-23-2005, 05:02 AM

I HAVE BEEN READING OVER THIS PAGE FOR TWO DAYS. I AM ALMOST SPEECHLESS. IT'S UNBELIEVABLE SOME OF THE THINGS I HAVE BEEN READING. I AM A MERGER. AND I WILL ADMIT, IT HAS BEEN A HARD YEAR. I ALSO TOYED WITH THE THOUGHT OF "A CULT". BUT THROUGH PRAYER, DILIGENCE AND STUDY,(2 TIM 2:15) GOD HAS ANSWERED MY DEEPEST CONCERN. THE SOUND OF HIS VOICE IS NOT A CULT. THE PASTOR IS A DEDICATED MAN OF GOD, TEACHING ONLY SOUND DOCTRINE. HE TEACHES JESUS CHRIST PEOPLE. I ALSO BELIEVE HE IS TRULY SPIRIT LED, SOMETHING YOU DON'T ALWAYS FIND IN CHURCHES. ALL HE ASKS HIS CONGREGATION TO DO IS TO STEP UP AND FOLLOW IN JESUS' FOOTSTEPS. YES IT'S TRUE HE ASKS THOSE IN LEADERSHIP TO PROVE THEMSELVES, THE BIBLE ALSO ASKS THE SAME THINGS IN 1TIMOTHY 3:1-16. NOW IN ALL REALITY, THERE IS NO MAN THAT CAN BE TOTALLY FREE OF THESE THINGS. BUT WE HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE. BELIEVE ME WHEN I SAY I HAD A VERY DIFFICULT TIME WITH "THE CONTRACT", BUT I NOW UNDERSTAND WHY IT IS NEEDED. AND YES BEING AN USHER AND IN THE WORSHIP TEAM IS A LEADERSHIP POSITISION. i TRIED FOR ALMOST A YEAR TO MAKE AN EXCUSE TO LEAVE THIS CHURCH, AND I WOULD ALWAYS PRAY FOR GOD TO GIVE ME PERMISSION. BUT HE WOULDN'T. I THANK HIM EVERYDAY NOW THAT I AM STILL THERE. YOU SEE THE FAULT DID NOT LIE IN THE CHURCH OR THE LEADERSHIP, IT WAS MY OWN. I WAS OFFENDED BY EVERYTHING THAT CHALLENGED MY "FAITHFULLNESS" TO CHRIST. GOD TAUGHT ME WHAT TO FOCUS ON IN THIS CHURCH, WHICH IS HIS SON JESUS CHRIST, HE TAUGHT ME HUMILITY IN THIS CHURCH, HE TAUGHT ME TO LISTEN TO HIM WHEN I WAS IN DOUBT. THESE I WILL HOLD CLOSELY TO ME FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE. ALL I REALLY WANT TO SAY IS WHATEVER HAPPENED 1 YEAR, 2 YEARS OR EVEN 4 YEARS AGO IS IN THE PAST. PEOPLE CHANGE, PEOPLE (HOPEFULLY) MATURE AND GROW, BEFORE YOU JUDGE A SITUATION THAT IS PRESENT, THAT YOU HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF, MAYBE YOU SHOULD GIVE IT ANOTHER CHANCE, REMEMBER, GOD HAS GIVEN US A NUMBER OF CHANCES. I CHALLENGE ALL INVOLVED TO ATTEND ONE MONTH OF CHURCH AT SOUND OF HIS VOICE, ONLY REMEMBER TO LISTEN CAREFULLY TO THE SOUND OF "HIS" VOICE. AS FOR THE MEMBERS OF THE FORMER CHURCH YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE, GOD IS A GOD OF RESTORATION, HAVE YOU PRAYED FOR THAT LATELY? I MISS YOU ALL. HE IS CALLING US ALL TO THE "FRONTLINES", DO YOU HEAR HIS VOICE? GOD BLESS YOU ALL, REMEMBER, WE ARE ALL ONE BODY,WITHOUT YOU I AM NOT WHOLE. FORGIVE1ST.

jas3766 (jas3766)

10-24-2005, 07:37 PM

Just to clarify, the Pastor and leadership that I was in conflict with did not belong to The Sound of his Voice. My parents are members of The Sound of his Voice and have been for years. They are not in the leadership but they are very happy with the Pastor's sermon's and teachings. They say he is right on the money with his teaching and that he knows the Bible front and back. Believe me when I say my stepmom knows her Bible and would be the first one to know if he were not preaching accurate Bible. I think she has a emergency hotline to God. They stay completely out of any conflicts that may arise in the church and in fact I have never heard them discuss conflicts. I have visited but found it wasn't for me but have faith that he (Pastor) is reaching the unsaved and helping the saved stay saved. I agree with all on this site that talk about building up not tearing down. I went to Ladie's Retreat this past weekend and the one thing that really stuck in my mind was, we are not here for "the individual church" we are here to build up the "Kingdom of God" If any Pastor were to save, say 1000 people a year all by himself each year, do you know it would take something like 350,000 years for him to reach the world versus if just 20 of us reach just 1 unsaved person a year, then those 40 new christians reach 1 more the next year then those 80 reach 1 more etc etc, then those original 20 could save the world in 3.8 years!!! WOW. We aren't going to do that though if we keep focusing on the negative. By the way, I am not great at math but you get the point. We need to focus on touching the unsaved. To me, church keeps us accountable, but we are to take the message to the world regardless if they become a member of our church or not. Pastor's are for the most part too lenient on their congregation. Look how Paul talked to the church's in the Bible, he really put them in their place and called them on it constantly when they started slipping. Slander should never ever happen in the world of Christians, wether or not it is true is not the point. How can we lead others to Christ when we are to busy fighting each other? And what kind of example are we giving the unsaved? And what dear friends if you are wrong? What if someone was going to go to that church and find Jesus then read this slander fest and didn't go? What if then that person died? For every action is a reaction. Build up fellow lovers of Christ, forgive. MOST OF ALL REMEMBER THIS, WE WILL ALL BE JUDGED ACCORDING TO THE MEASURE WE USE TO JUDGE OTHERS, MY MEASURING STICK IS A MILE LONG. LOL Build up, love, forgive, grow. All of us. PEOPLE DON'T CARE WHAT WE SAY, IF WE DON'T SHOW THEM "BY EXAMPLE", GOD'S LOVE AND FORGIVENESS. OUR DIVINE APPOINTMENT IS TO PREACH THE "GOOD NEWS" NOT PREACH GOSSIP. We can wrap slander, hurt, gossip in a pretty package of "enlightening others" or by saying things like, "I'm not saying this is a cult but blah blah blah" But God knows our heart. He sees the black that is there. I am speaking to myself as well. Being a Christian all of my life with lots of backsliding has taught me to forgive because I so desperately want to be forgiven. I don't want to "grieve" the Holy Spirit. I want God to be proud of me. That is impossible if I can't let old hurts go. Love in Christ,
Julieann

child_of_the_king (child_of_the_king)

10-24-2005, 10:57 PM

To anyone who is reading this....It is time for all involved to move on and to stop all of this fussing and move forward...I dont think this is good in God's eyes...I have a really bad feeling towards it...And it is making me sick!!!

I hope this is the last time I visit this web-site it is too depressing for me....And WAY too much Drama here...Sometimes, people just need to be heard and vent, that is usually the reason for a website chat area, but this is out of hand

forgive1st (forgive1st)

10-25-2005, 07:00 AM

BELOVED CHILD OF THE KING, THANKYOU FOR YOUR BOLDNESS. YOU ARE ABSOLUTLY RIGHT WHEN YOU SAY IT'S NOT GOOD IN GOD'S EYES. DID YOU SEE THE LIGHTNING AND HEAR THE THUNDER TONIGHT? IT WAS SO AMAZING. I HEARD GOD CONFIRM YOUR WORDS. THE LAST THING I WANT TO DO IS TO ANGER GOD. WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS IMAGINE JESUS READING THIS WEB PAGE, I WONDER WHAT HE IS THINKING ABOUT ALL OF US? I'M TRULY SORRY IF YOU WERE HURT BY SOUND OF HIS VOICE. BUT REALLY, I THINK THE HURT LIES IN THE DIVISION OF THE OTHER CHURCH, WE ALL FELT VERY DISPLACED, AND EVEN SCARED. BUT CHRIST IS CHRIST NO MATTER WHERE YOU GO, AS LONG AS IT IS HIM WHO IS GLORIFIED. WE HAVE ALL GONE THROUGH A HEALING PROCESS. SOME QUICKER THAN OTHERS. IT HASN'T BEEN EASY. BUT WHEN ALL IS SAID AND DONE, IT'S JESUS I WANT TO FOLLOW. IT'S JESUS I TRUST TO PUT ME IN THE PLACE HE WANTS ME. I WANT TO ASK YOU TO PLEASE FORGIVE ME IF I HAVE IN ANY WAY OFFENDED YOU. THAT WAS NOT MY INTENTION. I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT I AM HOLDING YOU UP IN PRAYER, YOU HAVE BEEN ON MY HEART SINCE I FOUND THIS WEB-SITE. MAY GOD BLESS YOU AND YOUR HUSBAND, MAY YOU FIND THE RIGHT CHURCH, MAY YOUR DAYS BE FILLED WITH PEACE AND JOY. MAY THERE BE RESTORATION SOON IN OUR HEARTS. GOD IS GOOD..... ALL THE TIME.....ALL THE TIME.....GOD IS GOOD. AMEN. SHERI

t153 (t153)

10-25-2005, 06:21 PM

What if everyone would have been speaking the same language? What if everyone would have been saying the same thing? Pastor Bobby would have been called "Cultist, control freak, manipulator, bad counselor, bad decision maker, and wolf in sheeps clothing, all in the name of "just needing to vent". What if all the negativity was being vented about you? What if the shoe was on the other foot?

I will not apologize because I chose not to take a trip on the good ole gossip ship. If all U need is counseling, I am sure there are a lot of good people around U who are willing to do that.

The real sin is when good people stand back and do nothing. Personally, I can not stand back and do nothing, when I am watching someone I care about being stoned.

I never once called U any of the names that have been thrown at Pastor Bobby. All I did was preach to U the very same word that was given to me at one time in my life. If you fall upon the rock, you will be broken, and the potter will pick you back up and make you all over again. But if the rock falls on you it will grind you to powder.

So I pray that you will do the same thing that I did. "Say yes Lord, forgive me, I didn't realize what I was doing. Please make me into the person that you would have me to be. Thank you for giving me your word, I would still be in my sin had not you opened up my eyes. Thank you for your mercy and grace. Thank you for stopping me from heading the wrong direction, and throwing road blocks up in my path. And now God since you have opened up my eyes, it is you I will vent to. God you see that I am hurt and wounded, help me not to make this wound infected or worse. Pour out your Holy Spirit into my heart, I need the oil of your healing. And after you have healed me and matured me, then equip me to reach other people just as wounded as I was. Help me God to learn from this, grow in it and be pleasing to you. Thank you God for remembering my frame. Thank you God for remembering that I am but dust. Thank you God for sending your word and pulling me up out of the miry clay. Teach me God, how to be my brothers keeper, because I realize God that you love us all the same. And God I have faith that you will place me where you want me to be, and I will thank you in advance for giving me my hearts desire. I love you God, Amen.

jc4me (jc4me)

10-29-2005, 06:46 PM

to t153

I see that you are a dedicated Bobbyist! Maybe the stones being thrown at him are only being returned for the stones he threw first! I don't think you were around when he was slandering the former associate's wife...now ex-wife to the entire congregation. You weren't around when he was telling the former associates wife that divorce is a good option probably because he divorced his first wife too. You obviously weren't around when the entire leadership was told that if the former associates wife stepped foot in his church, a week after her husband walked out on her and lived with him and his family for months,to call the police on her. Why is that when all she wanted to do was worship God and pray for reconcilation in her marriage? I think that is called hypocracy! I'm sick of people putting pastors on pedestals. He is human and he made a huge mistake by slandering this individual and I've heard of no apology being made for his awful choices and the names he called her either! It cost him his entire leadership because they all left solely because of the control of being told not to talk to the former associates wife again and the secrecy going on.

I did not see God's love pouring out of Bobby when he did that to her and the former leadership. There is no excuse for that behavior especially by someone that calls himself a pastor.

Free will is a great thing God gave us so people can stay at that church I don't care but for you to judge people for what they are saying simply because it goes against how you see Bobby is wrong too. All that is being spoken is the truth it is not gossip or fabrication.

(Message edited by jc4me on October 29, 2005)

child_of_the_king (child_of_the_king)

10-29-2005, 11:17 PM

Dear T153: Here are some of the things that you have said so far. That I have copied and pasted so we can all see...as you can see these can be very hurtful...

Posted on Thursday, October 20, 2005 - 3:59 am: )T153) writes:

First of all I would like to refresh your memory.

Now for the sermon.

Love You Guys, Sincerely Jeannette
t153 (t153)

Posted on Friday, October 21, 2005 - 7:14 pm:
T153) writes:
I suppose the best way to find out what happened is to ask them, not post an opinion in a wounded a chatroom.
Often times the human thing to do when we experience pain, or get wounded, is to cry out. But before we cry out, we need to take into consideration who might be affected by what we say and do.

If all I have to offer is my opinion, then that is exactly what it is, my opinion.
t153 (t153)

Posted on Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 1:21 pm:
T153) writes:
What if all the negativity was being vented about you? What if the shoe was on the other foot?

I will not apologize because I chose not to take a trip on the good ole gossip ship. If all U need is counseling, I am sure there are a lot of good people around U who are willing to do that.

The real sin is when good people stand back and do nothing. Personally, I can not stand back and do nothing,

All I did was preach to U the very same word that was given to me at one time in my life.
t153 (t153)

As you can see Im a little bit confused by some of the things that you say. I also feel that you have taken a lot of things for granted...I said when I first read all these things, that everyone had their own opinion. you cannot force your opinion and judgements on others. I have not tryed to hurt you or judge you. but I do believe that we all can learn from each other...and hear what others are saying...

I also did not realize that your were a Preacher, as you state...

I am not bitter towards what happend, things happen for a reason and I accepted that and we have moved on..and I am not bitter towards Bobby, he has done nothing to us...I think he is a wonderful preacher...But you need to leave the preaching to him. I guess my question is why have you taken this on as a personal endeaver?...
Sometimes, you meet people in life, who have a difference of opinion, but that does not make them wrong...Unfortunately, we were part of the split and it was a hard thing to go through.

Posted on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 - 3:27 pm:
Child of The King (writes)
Here is what I said in the beginning and everything got out of control...Scroll up and you can see for yoursef.
The only thing I want to say is that we dont go there anylonger and for good reasons....We were involved in the other church that joined them at the time and it was a disaster...We all felt like we were being thrown into the Sound of His Voice and had no choice, we attend service one Sunday morning and we were told it was our last service and from that day forward we attended Sound of His Voice....
and that my friend is what happend. Anyone that was there that Sunday heard exactly what I just wrote. This was not about a personal attack on Bobby, I was just stating facts in our church before we got to Sound of His Voice.

This is only a message board and there is freedom of speech in here, please re-read the rules of the chat room.

forgive1st (forgive1st)

10-30-2005, 06:21 AM

GALATIANS 5:25,26- IF WE LIVE IN THE SPIRIT,LET US ALSO WALK IN THE SPIRIT. LET US NOT BE DESIROUS OF VAIN GLORY, PROVOKING ONE ANOTHER, ENVYING ONE ANOTHER.

t153 (t153)

10-30-2005, 06:24 AM

Psalm 119:17 Deal bountifully with thy servant, that I may live and keep Thy word.

2Tim. 3:16 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; (17)that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.

2Tim. 4:5 But you, be sober in all things, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.

Jn. 6:63 It is the Spirit who gives life: the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.

Gal. 6:8 For the one who sows to his own flesh shall from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit shall from the Spirit reap eternal life. (Verse 10) So then, while we have opportunity, let us do good to all men, and especially to those who are of the household of the faith.

2 Tim. 2:23-26
But refuse foolish and ignorant speculations, knowing that they produce quarrels. (24)And the Lord's bond-servant must not be quarrelsome, but be kind to all,(able to teach), patient when wronged, (25)with gentleness correcting those who are in (opposition) if perhaps God may grant them repentance leading to the knowledge of the truth (26) and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, having been held captive by him to do his will.

2 Tim. 2:19 Nevertheless, the firm foundation of God stands, having this seal, "The Lord knows those who are His, and, Let everyone who names the name of the Lord abstain from wickedness".

For the sake of obeying Gods word, I will abstain from wickedness and not quarrel. SEE YA http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/kiss.gif

(Message edited by T153 on October 30, 2005)

t153 (t153)

10-30-2005, 11:28 AM

To JC4ME,

I am not judging you because of your conversation, who would I be to judge you. At one time I was exactly where you are at right now. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/sad.gif
I don't know all the details of what happened, and I don't mean to be rude, but I don't want to know because I see the life that he is living now, and I hear the word that He is preaching. Everybody changes if they truelly love God and are serious about growing.

One of my Ex Pastors whom I love dearly did something totally agains't scripture. But never-the-less I will not throw a stumblingblock up infront of no one. Did you read the definitions for stumblingblock I wrote?

I am not judging you because you are going agains't Pastor Bobby. I am trying to open your eyes and show you that it is Gods word you are going against. None of us, no matter who we are, what position we hold, or what we have been through in life will be able to get away with slander. When we stand before God, we will all be judged by the golden rule: Love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, soul,might, and strength, and thy Nieghbor as thyself.

Since souls are getting saved, and people are changing under his ministry for the sake of these people, don't you think that God would not want you to kill their influence?

Lets leave the past behind and deal with the present state. What does your heart look and feel like? What does God want for your life? What does God think about me, myself, and I. Stop worrying about everybody else.

Also, one of the things I have been taught down through the years is that gossip comes in both forms (truth and lies),many people don't realize that.

I have preached to you from my heart to yours not out of self righteousness, but because of what I have been through. I think there is a good chance I can reach you and help turn you. I refuse to think that Gods word will come back to me void.

When I was in a bitter state, I finally came to the decision that all the bitterness that was flowing out of my mouth was only making my heart darker. I had to do something to change my heart. I missed that innocent, pure, sincerity before God. I missed His presence. I was to bitter to pray what I knew God wanted me to pray. I was on a sinking ship and it wasn't the Gospel one. I needed somebody, anybody, to please help me. I didn't want to backslide but I knew I would if I didn't do something to change the condition of my heart. So I finally started studying all those scriptures my flesh was telling me not to study. I finally started praying Gods blessing and direction for the very ones I was resentful towards. And I started praying for God to give me his agapy love, His God given love. Because by myself I could do nothing. Once I fell upon the rock, all my hardness was broken, and all I wanted was God to make me into the person that He wanted me to be.

If I am just wasteing my time, then tell me, "leave me alone, I don't want to hear Gods word". If that is truelly what you want, then I will leave you alone.

Okay, your at the cross roads, which direction are you going to choose? Remember, His word is a lamp unto my feet and a light unto my path.

Choose life, Choose Gods word. Sincerely T153

consider (consider)

10-30-2005, 10:27 PM

To T153:

Here an oink, there an oink, everywhere an oink, oink. Don't cast your pearls before the swine.

jc4me (jc4me)

10-31-2005, 04:22 PM

to t153

#1 Reality is you only see the life one is living by what they show you. You don't know what goes on behind closed doors. Everything can look good on the outside but reality is not always what you see on Sunday, Wednesday and everyother night you are required to be in service to "serve" Bobby oh sorry I meant God for TSOHV.

#2 Not to be rude, but I don't need you to reach me and turn me. I'm clear with my relationship with the Lord. So thanks anyways!

#3 I'm not going against Bobby. He made his choices when he did what he did and he knows exactly what that was and he has to live with it. I just thank God that I no longer go there and live under his "rule" so to speak. All the other leadership feels the same way. We were saved from another day of feeling like we were never good enough for what he thought we should be to serve God but hey for the sake of all the other people still there I hope you are right that he has changed. I honestly don't spend much time thinking about him and his lack of moral actions much anymore because I have moved on but it is ironic that there are still some people like yourself who will continue to place Pastor's like him on pedestals. That is a dangerous place to put yourself in!

#4 I'm well versed on scripture myself so I really don't require a refresher course from you. I was in that place you call TSOHV for years. What happened during the recent split/merger happened in So Ca. as well. One Sunday he devestated a congreation of 60-70 people and without warning gave them to another church. Here's your new pastor and church have a nice life! BYE BYE! all to move to lovely Visalia and start over! Since then he has managed to turn peoples lives upside down and I've heard no apologizes for his lack of judgement or character and I doubt I ever will because that would require humility and a sincere realization that his choices were wrong!

I pray that everyone finds out the truth soon enough! Whatever that may be for you or anyone else!

t153 (t153)

10-31-2005, 06:52 PM

To JC4ME:

Are U ever going to stop punishing him for this?
When is enough, enough?
Those who show mercy, obtain mercy. Do you really think your slate is going to clean when you stand before God?
Does this web page change Gods mind about Pastor Bobby?
I believe God loves us all the same, and we will all stand before the judgement seat of christ and give an account of ourselves. Mt. 12:36-37 "But I tell you that men will have to give account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken.(37)For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be conedemned."

I suppose U can smear him on the net all U want, and feel that U are doing Gods will, but in the end inspite of all his faults that U want to dangle infront of the whole world, Bobby will walk hand in hand with Jesus. Give it your best shot! Cause nothing u do on this internet will be able to separate him from the love of Christ.

Now that I can see that U feel U need no help, I will leave this site with these scriptures. Romans 12:14 Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse. (15) Rejoice with those who rejoice; mourn with those who mourn. (16)Live in harmony with one another. Do not be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position. Do not be conceited. (17)Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everybody. (18)If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. (19)Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," says the lord. (20)On the contrary: "If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head." (21)Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

AMEN AND AMEN: SEE YA! T153 http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif

jc4me (jc4me)

11-01-2005, 03:23 PM

TO T153

THIS IS MY LAST POST IN RESPONSE TO YOUR POSTS!
YOU ASKED WHEN I WOULD STOP PUNISHING HIM FOR THIS. I'M NOT PUNISHING HIM I'M SURE HE'LL GET HIS IN THE END. AS FAR AS MY SLATE WITH GOD IT IS CLEAN ESPECIALLY IN REGARDS TO WHAT HAPPENED AT TSOHV BECAUSE I'M ONE OF THE VICTIMS. I DON'T HOLD A VICTIM MENTALITY BUT I WAS ONE OF THEM THAT WAS ABUSED, SLANDERED AND HAD TO PICK UP THE PIECES OF MY LIFE BECAUSE OF HIS ACTIONS. AS FAR AS SMEARING BOBBY I DON'T HAVE TO DO MUCH BECAUSE HIS ACTIONS AND WHAT HE DID IS SMEARING HIM ENOUGH ALL ON HIS OWN.

SO YOU KEEP HIM ON YOUR HOLY PEDESTAL BUT WHEN ALL HELL BREAKS LOSE IN YOUR LIFE BECAUSE OF YOUR "PASTOR" DONT BE CRYING OVER IT....JUST SUCK IT UP...AFTER ALL THE GOOD OLE TSOHV SAYING IS FAKE IT TIL YOU MAKE IT...

consider (consider)

11-01-2005, 06:45 PM

To JC4ME:

You say your slate is clear, but if you look at your conversation it totally goes against Gods word. You don't forget the past, You don't love your enemies, You repay evil for evil, you take revenge, and you don't overcome evil with good.

If I were one of your friends I would be scared to death to get on your bad side.

By looking at your conversation, you are deceiving yourself, and your slate is not clean at all. The sad thing is everybody who has posted something in this forum can no doubt see it except for you. I'm not even what I can call a good christian and I can see it.

What! because T153 doesnt agree with you, that means she is putting him up on a pedestal? Doesn't appear that way to me, I don't see that in her conversation at all. All that I can see is that he is human, he made mistakes, but regardless of what you think he will walk hand in hand with Jesus one day. I would rather be T153's friend than yours. I see someone who shows compassion, mercy, and who would pray with me if I made a mistake. You on the other hand would stick me on an eternal barbague grill, and roast me forever, meanwhile, inviteing all your friends over for dinner. You are blind if you say your slate is clean. And I don't care if you hate me I am just young in the Lord and have a lot of growing to do anyway. At least I can see and admit when I am wrong. You Won't listen, so you are deaf, you refuse to see, so you are blind, and if you had your choice you would turn us all into judgemental swine, totally ignoring the word of God. If we chose to follow you, we would all fall into a ditch. Your example isn't good enough for me to follow.

jc4me (jc4me)

11-03-2005, 09:23 AM

to consider:

First of all you don't know me and you certainly have no idea what took place between the previous leadership and the associate pastors now ex-wifed either so you're last judgmental post is just that judgemental. I'm not looking to make friends in this forum and I'm definately not looking for followers either. AS far the sticking Bobby on the eternal bbq grill obviously his actions would stick him there not my words. As far as inviting all my friends over for dinner well ironically those people are all previous leadership of TSOHV and they know the hell we all went through there. It's not like I've fabricated all the things that happened back then and reality is that is part of the history of TSOHV. I guess you can't see that your post about me not listening, being deaf and refusing to see is you judging me yourself someone you don't even know. Great thing is that everyone is entitled to their opinion and it's funny that opinions are only good as long as you don't say anything against Bobby.

As far as my example not being good enough for you to follow. Good! I'm not looking for followers! I really could careless if people on this forum hate me after what I've seen and experience first hand at TSOHV I'm over the people pleasing and the pastoral control. In a nut shell You could say I was set free from that by God and I'm thankful everyday! Have a nice life and hopefully as a person young in the Lord you'll realize and know God for yourself and not what is programmed into you! SEE YA!

consider (consider)

11-03-2005, 10:40 AM

To JC4ME:

Your so stuck on stick-n-it to Bobby that you didn't even realize I was talking about you not him. Your conversation, if it was anything like this forum, I can understand why He told people not to talk to you. Your strike is deadly, your venom is poisonous, Opps! kinda reminds me of a snake, you get to close you get bit. Then everyone around you starts dyeing.

You kinda remind me of an internet stalker! I bet you probably have Bobbies photos plastered all over an hit list wall. lol http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/lol.gif

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jc4me (jc4me)

11-03-2005, 03:33 PM

To Consider:
Apparently you are not reading my last post correctly maybe you should go back and read it again. I didn't say that Bobby told people not to talk to me I said that leadership was instructed not to talk to the now former associates wife so apparently you have your lines and words mixed up. I was in the leadership who that was instructed to do that. We all realized it was bad leadership and all left. Have a blast. Have a great life at TSOHV and you know you're pretty funny about the having Bobby's photo plastered on my wall. He's not good enough to put anywhere in my life but in the garbage which is where all the pictures of TSOHV and my previous life went.

So you think your funny but you are really starting to sound pathethic....http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

consider (consider)

11-04-2005, 06:03 AM

To JC4ME:

Oh, excuse me, you have taken the project of informing people of dangerhttp://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif that it kinda looks like your so called friend was actually you. It appears to me that she is the one who has actually moved on, not you.

I have been through alot of pain in life, but I have truelly forgiven. That means I wouldn't be exposing everyone to the world, but really leaving it in the past. You seem to be confused about how to do that. So maybe you should take some advice instead of bucking everyone who qoutes some scripture to you.

It's understandable if I sound pathetic, but what's your excuse? how long have you been saved?
are you arguing with a babe in Christ? I am just as mature as you are, and you have been in church alot longer, what's wrong with that picture. So humor me some more with your bad example. So come on former Leader, lead me into some forgiving and forgetting scriptural truth, or have you forgotten those scriptures.

Furthermore, as a babe in Christ, I think it is funny that a so-called leader avoids the scriptures that hit on a soft nerve!

And I never said I attend the sound of his voice. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/lame.gif

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consider (consider)

11-08-2005, 10:44 AM

To Everyone on this forum,

JC4ME did exactly what I wanted her to. Do you see her true colors shining through. Job accomplished. By Everyone, time for me to grow up a little and not come back to bring out the ugly in anyone anymore.

jc4me (jc4me)

11-08-2005, 01:27 PM

To Consider: Funny that you assume that i'm a her and not a him. What is it exactly you were wanting me to do? No one knew you were trying to accomplish anything! Bye Bye...good luck growing up!

forgive1st (forgive1st)

11-11-2005, 03:32 PM

LORD JESUS, ADMINISTER HEALING TO OUR BROKEN HEARTS, HELP US TO RENEW OUR MINDS, FILL US WITH YOUR SPIRIT AND LOVE FOR OTHERS. WE PRAISE YOU. AMEN

godsgirl

07-19-2007, 10:32 AM

To clarify...

The senior pastor's first wife had an affair, not him. There were several other factors as well that caused the divorce. As for the associate's first wife, she had a side that not everyone got to see. Right or wrong what happened is between them and God.

As for marital counseling, our marriage was transformed under that ministry. They are certainly doing something right regardless of what others may think.

rowdysunsetart

01-08-2009, 10:54 PM

To jc4me, I would like to talk to you if you are still around, YOU ARE SO RIGHT ABOUT Bobby Adamson he is a very bad person doing alot of very bad things behind the shadow of his pulpit with his wife and his co-hearts! He is at it again, and I would like to know more about what he did down south. This man is NOT a man with Godly qualities! He is a liar, thief and cheat and if you dont believe it go to public records and see how long he has been swindling at real estate and business ventures. Or go to Bakersfield, There is a very interesting court case on Jan 12, 2008 where he is SUEING A LADY TRYING TO GET HER LAND...ALL PREPLANED...ALL THRU HIS DECEPTION WITH HELP OF HIS CO-HEARTS: which this letter tells you just alittle about:
A TRIAL IN BAKERSFIELD WITH THE PREACHER WHO IS TRYING TO STEAL LAND:
Heads up people, there is a trial set for January 12 in Bakersfield that the pubic needs to hear about. It Involves Bobby Adamson, the Pastor of The Sound of His Voice Church in Visalia CA. He is trying to keep things quiet, stay low, not to make this public and I see why.... It is a very interesting case indeed. It is a case that shows just a hint of the integrity of Bobby Adamson, this so called self ordained man of God, in its finest!
This is a trial involving alleged legal attempts by Bobby Adamson of the theft of property, the writing of false documents, lies and stealing among other things and all from a woman who has some very interesting things to say about him in this case. In fact if one looks closer you will find time and again in Public records the actions committed by Bobby Adamson Alias Bobby D. Adamson, Bobbe Adamson and his Wife JoJo Alias Lynette, Bobby, among others alias names that leads you to believe that they are the ones who should be on trial after reading of their practices of questionable real estate transactions, sales of fraudulent businesses, and other questionable endeavors. In researching this man and his co-hearts Public Records you see repertory patterns of lies and questionable deals time and again from this preacher, his wife, his trusted co-preacher and even some of his congregation! So much so that it would want to make history repeat itself and Jesus to make another whip again to visit this mans church to rid it of the thieves and robbers of widows and poor people. Documents tell the unwinding story of a web of deceit from a man that is supposed to represent God, we are supposed to be able to trust him with our souls, to rely on him to save us, protect us in a world of wolves, but this man and his co-hearts are the wolves in sheep’s clothing, a den of vipers looking for their next victim. The public should know the truth about this man and his church and beware. THIS CASE EVEN INVOLES THE SO CALLED SUICIDE OF A MAN BOBBY GAVE THE MONEY TO AND WAS IN BUSINESS WITH TO CARRY OUT HIS DEVIOUS PLAN....THE VERDICT IS NOT IN YET BUT THE FACTS ARE EVIDENT AND THE TRUTH WILL PREVAIL!