Ordo Templi Orientis OTO

[Anonymous]

Any info on how to counter this extremely dangerous evil cult would be greatly appreciated.

[Anonymous]

Dear Anonymous

What exactly are you trying to counter? You need to be a bit more specific. Are you trying to keep or get a friend/ loved one out? are you needing to defend yourself physically/spiritually? More details tend to bring more help. I'm familiar with them, and the Golden Dawn, but I need more details in order to help you.

[Anonymous]

What's so evil about O.T.O. ?
Any links ?

[Jerry H.]

To 'anonymous' who posted July 30, 2002. I wish I had checked back before and noticed your post offering help. If you are still around, here are the answers to your questions: For reasons unknown to me, this cult has been stalking me and my family for years. At one point they tried to force me into their cult. They have made subtle threats and I think they were directly or indirectly involved in the death of my brother. If you would like more info, then post a reply here. Any advice or info on the cult would be appreciated. Thanks.

[Anonymous]

What's so evil about the O.T.O. ? The O.T.O. was founded by Aleister Crowley, a well-known occultist of the first half of the 20th century. As a guest speaker at Oxford, Crowley admitted to the human sacrifice of 150 boys during a two year period in the 1920's. The fundamental principles of the O.T.O. are derived from 'The Law', written by Crowley. It advocates drug and alcohol abuse, tyranny, slavery, racism, torture, human sacrifice, murder and cannibalism. The ultimate goal of the O.T.O. is the complete destruction of all of humanity. Other than that, there is nothing evil about them.

Links for information about the O.T.O can be found on the Factnet website.

[Anonymous]

The O.T.O. are a bunch of germs.

[Anonymous]

I think Crowley admitted to sacrificing "a male child of perfect innocence and high intelligence" an average of about 150 times every year between 1912 and 1928, so that would come out to a total of about 2,400.

It seems odd to me that this many children would have been sacrificed and it wasn't a bigger scandle.

Perhaps Crowley is actually talking about something else here ?

[Anonymous]

Crowley traveled extensively to remote areas of the Mid East and Central Asia. Knowledge of, and communication in these places was not nearly what it is today, and these are still rather remote parts of the earth. It is most likely where he conducted his human sacrifices, going largely undetected and without raising a scandal.

[Libanus]

Crowley did travel extensively, but most of his sojourns in the East took place before 1910. From 1912 to 1928, he was usually in Europe and North America. One would think that if he really did commit that many sacrifices that some of them would have been detected by SOMEBODY at least.

The more mundane truth is that the term "human sacrifice" was a euphemism for sexual intercourse in a ritual context, which he conducted with various mistresses abot 150 time per year without getting them pregnant. He wrote it like this because writing about sex was illegal at the time, and because Crowley was a glutton for publicity, whether good or bad. Unfortunately, as can be seen even in this board, we folks in the OTO are still paying for it over 80 years later.

There is no murder, cannibalism, or torture in the OTO. I should know--I've been in it for seven years. The most drug use I've ever seen from other members has been pot smoking, and that's not even in a ritual context. We are neo-pagans, like Wiccans and Druids, and we are also a fraternity like the Masons. Needless to say, we are not out to destroy humanity. Unfortunately, its hard to convince some people of this--especially Fundamentalist Christians.

For anyone who is interested in seeing the dirtiest dirt on the OTO, with much of it being little better than rumor, check out:

http://www.cyberlink.ch/~koenig/

P.R. Koenig has done more critical work on the OTO than anyone--he is an SOB and he invades people's privacy, but not even he can find murder or sacrifice. Take a look--you may even find us contemptible if you choose to believe 100% of what he says, but not dangerous.

To Jerry H:
Are you sure that it is the OTO that is stalking you? There are a number of strange groups/cults out there calling themselves OTO and this sounds like the M.O. of one of the nastiest ones. Personally, I'd like more information on this because I'd like to help point you to the real culprit. If you can show me that is really is OTO members who have been stalking you, then I'll make an effort to report them and to get them expelled. I understand that, odds are you wouldn't trust me enough to tell me anything at all, but I thought that I would at least make the offer.

For what it's worth,

--Libanus

[Anonymous]

To Libanus:
Thanks for the response and the offer. I admit that I drew my conclusions from my own limited research, and I sure dont want to throw false accusations at the wrong people, although what I found out does seem to point to the O.T.O. I would love for you to prove me wrong, since this situation has been going on for quite awhile. I would like for it to be resolved in some way. all I can give you in the way of more information is that the people involved seem to be certain members of the Hollywood motion picture industry and their associates. Thanks for the offer of help, anyway. I would be interested in any further insight you can give me, or if there is anything you would want to ask me, I will reply as best I can.

Jerry H.
( I have to post as anonymous becuase I cant remember my password)

[Libnaus]

Jerry:

If you could give me some specifics that would really help:

Can you describe any of the stalking incidents and tell me what it is about them that makes you think that they are connected to the OTO? Do you have any names or pseudonyms of people that take credit for these incidents? In addition, are there any catch phrases or repeating themes to these harassments that you can tell me about?

You also said that you suspect that the OTO has something to do with the death of your brother--what about his death points to the OTO as being responsible? If you can give me information along these lines I might be able to give you feedback you can use.

At this time, there are about 200 OTO members living in S. California. I live in N. California, so I cannot say that I know many of them very well. I do know of one who works in Hollywood, but I would not consider him the type to stalk someone.

The OTO is working very hard to establish its legitimacy as a legally registered religious organization in the USA and abroad. I can assure you that harassment and stalking of others goes against the policies of the Caliphate (the OTO leadership) and that such actions would only undermine the efforts the OTO has made to secure its standing of legitimacy.

Please give me whatever specific information you can--I DO want to help if at all possible.

[Libanus]

Oops,

The previous message is from me--I just spelled my user name wrong.

--Libanus

[Soror Horror]

"the" O.T.O. could refer to many different competing groups each presenting themselves as the one and only.

at least one of the groups, the Society O.T.O., had a real baddy (Marcelos Ramos Matto), off his rocker for sure and not in a good way.

as a 'for example' of how "O.T.O." might mean a particular, bad, organization.

[Anonymous (66.11.161.129)]

David R. Jones

[Anonymous (66.11.161.129)]

Oops should have written "test" not David Bowie's name...

[Anonymous (69.134.64.166)]

>>Crowley admitted to the human sacrifice of 150 boys during a two year period in the 1920's.<<

That is the stupidest thing I've read in quite some time. Some people read the bible and believe in spooky lakes of fire and some people do not know what SPILLING seed is.

[Anonymous (209.86.4.244)]

OTO groups differ tremendously.

You have to find out more information about exactly which OTO group you feel concerned about.

One problem with esoteric traditions is that they do not have an overall authority figure or power structure by which to maintain quality control, which means a charismatic but unbalanced invidual can learn a bag of tricks, then split off, create a deviant franchise of his or her own and call it an 'OTO group', when it may have no more relation to OTO than Scientology would have to Roman Catholicism

One deviant OTO group is described here.

http://www.freedomofmind.com/resourcecenter/groups/s/soto/

But this group is not representative of OTO in general

[stella (stella)]

93

[stella (stella)]

First of all, Aleister Crowley did not create the O.T.O it was created by Theodor Reuss,Crowley simply had the same interestes and joined and was made a high member due to his dedication.
Also, Crowley wrote his entire life down,hence the reason for so many books.
If Crowley killed anyone he would have been in jail for it especially your grand total of 150 boys(I am still laughing at your imagination),the only thing that did happen was when he was on a mountain hiking trip 2 of his follow hikers were killed,and a investigation was conducted and deemed it was accidental.
Sure Crowley did drugs but that does not make a person evil as you call it,he was just a man who was way ahead of his time,I suggest before you go making a fool of yourself, you do some reading however I see you've set aside this special time to humiliate yourself in public?!

[stella (stella)]

Anyone can claim to be in the O.T.O but let me assure you if they are in the "real O.T.O" they would conduct themselves in a intelligent matter with much knowledge.You can NOT just join the O.T.O,unless it's a group just claiming to be.You would have a better chance of being female and getting into the freemasons than the O.T.O!
You have to show great knowledge,meet with other members and be interviewed,then there are test to take to show that you are metally capable and that you excel as a human and if there is one mention of sacrifice or any urban legend devil worship crap you will immediately be stopped right there on the spot,it's not as if your going to a night club and just hope to get in...
The fine people that I am associated with are mainly older people(non-teens),with very high I.Q's they are college grads,most have high positions in their community's,very successful people,and some very weathly.
A.'.A.'.

[nsmdevildog (nsmdevildog)]

The "Sacrifice of a perfect male child" refers to semen. Everything within the OTOs Rituals are Tantric and sexual in nature. Even the use of blood, according to Liber AL vel Legis, the best blood is "of the moon", i.e. menstrual blood. Having sex with a Priestess while on her period then having sex and consuming that 'sacrament' is very powerful. It contains all that energy and focus during the act of sex.

93! 14! 88!

DD

[droogenbrother (droogenbrother)]

would it be wrong to want to join the oto for just the eroticism? I meen i have heard of "**** worship" and the idea of ritualistic sex really gives me a hard on! does this meen i am a pervert or drawn to this life style? not only does it seem that you can gain wisdom and knowledge but being able to draw that level of energy around a group of people must be mind baffling, almost hedonistic! what a turn on! but that could all be fixation on something i have no idea about. am i wrong to want it because of the pleasure?

[horus1 (horus1)]

For God's sake! There are alot of lies being posted here about Aleister Crowley! Mostly by anonymous people, probably the same type of people that have left his reputation in tatters by the perpetuation of nonsense!Usually at the hands of Conservative Christians

"Crowley admitted to the human sacrifice of 150 boys during a two year period in the 1920's."

This is an example of such nonsense! Of course even if Crowley did say this it was a joke to play up to his image in the press! alot of what the man said was misinterpreted-some people need a sense of humour! And of course he would have been jailed!!! Also, Crowley never worshiped satan. He expounded a philosophy of hope. He was breaking away from the chains of the oppressive victorian regime. He said that all bodies were supreme and co-equal and that every person had their own path to follow and should not let their Will be obstructed. "every man and every woman is a star"-we are all individual and have a path or orbit which is our right to follow! He also stated that "love is the law" Its time to put an end to this nonsense- it has been around for a century now!It is time people did research before posting garbage. I wouldnt want to hav people bullsh*****g about me 60 years after my death-rubbishing all I stood for. Crowley was a vicious,selfish drug abuser, but he was not in league with the devil, nor sacrificed any human being.

"The ultimate goal of the O.T.O. is the complete destruction of all of humanity"-Absolute nonsense! The OTO follow Crowley's teachings of freedom and equality! I dont think this person had actually read anything written by Crowley.

http://newaeonfilms.com/perdurabo.html
This film company is attempting a documentary to dispell the lies and misunderstandings surrounding Crowley's life!}

[rabban_thuma (rabban_thuma)]

Anyone familiar with the writings of "Frater H" will know the TRUELY HIDEOUS AND EVIL NATURE of ALiester Crowley. Why? Because Crowley WAS "Frater H!"

From what I have read, he had a most perverse sense of humor -- and would tell outragious lies to the press, because it brought attention to himself and he got a laugh out of how gullible people really are.

He loved being "The Wickedest Man Alive"; due to his own Solar-Phallic interpretaions, being "the beast 666" was an honor as far as he was concerned -- the fact that it still freaks people out no doubt still gives him a big old grin.

As for the "modern OTO," like the "modern" Golden Dawn, most of them are purile wankers -- believe me, I was quite active in the Knoxville TN "magickal community" for around 12 years, and 99% of the people I know are guilty of the following:

Claiming some sort of connection to the OTO/GD/AA or other "classical" Mystery Lodges [Masonry, Rosecrucians, etc] -- when in fact the closest thing they have is that they read a book

Claiming some connection to Aliester Crowley or someone of equal stature -- because they don't want to admit that they just got interested in the subject, read up on it, and now want to impress their friends. It's best to have been "secretly initiated" by the Great White Brotherhood or something.

Being something of a spiritual vortex on their own -- trance channeling, "witch powers", psychic, good in bed.

Most "magickians" I know just want to freak out their parents, impress their friends, get laid and party in general. "Hey Moon Girl, let's smoke a fatty and worship the Goddess." And the OTO seems to be more along these lines, and this is just the "members" I have met [not everyone].

It's mostly image, and that image is mostly in the individual's head -- you get some doofus who barely graduated from High School, does the "Goth Scene," dresses in black, reads paperback books from 2nd hand bookshops, and chances are they will claim to be part of the OTO, or a Satanist, or something else.

[armorsaint]

I need some help with this one. I have done all that I know to do up until this point.
My brother has been involved in the Occult for as long as I can remember. (At least 15 years that I know of). I remember as a teen he was involved in something called the Temple of Psychic Youth. Our family never has fully understood what he is involved in but lately we have done some investigations of our own and have found a few things that seem a little alarming. He has always kept a briefcase of documents (which he takes to weekly meetings) and a separate cell phone for his “Social Club” as he calls it. Well, we found out last year that this so-called Club is something with a long seemingly dark history. There was a picture inside the case of 8 people standing in a circle around what appeared to be an altar. We finally had the chance to review the documents and he appears to be part of a “Mackickal Order that practices something called Chaos or Chaotic Magick!? He is a member of a Lodge somewhere out of Washington D.C. called “Atramental Lodge 23”

If anyone can give me any information concerning this group it would be greatly appreciated. They operate far too much like a cult and secretive to be doing anything of any nobility. He will not talk about it yet he has said that the Masons, of which he used to belong, are more like the boy scouts compared to his “associates.” He claims there is no such thing as the Illuminati yet he has scores of books in his closet dealing with the subject and scores of notebooks dealing with the subject? How do you go about helping someone caught up in this? Are these people really powerful? I have begun to read some things about the Illuminati online but it seems scary and far fetched. Can anyone tell me if this Illuminati is real?


Thanks,

Charlie