New Testament Church NTC Kong DuenYee Elijah Hong [Archive]

andrew_ysk (andrew_ysk)

01-27-2005, 07:37 PM

to anonymus:

if you are looking for someone who can rise from death to follow, then till your death you won't be able to find any.

Prophet of all nations Kong Duen-Yee is a faithful person, who is exactly like those apostle of Christ in the earlier day, she have full faith in Christ.

She thrown away her carrier and earthly wealth, just for the sake of ppl of this adulterous world.

she used her whole remaining life , to do the work of God, ACCORDING TO GOD'S WILL.

it is because of her faith and hardship, there is a big group of christian who follows her footstep in following the Lamb, they all are 144000 overcomer to come. for they willingly throw away all their worldly fame, and wealth, just for the same of doing the work of God without paid.

they didn't ask for donation, or sit there talking and talking bible and waited to be fed, but instead, they grow 100% organic plants according to the 1st law of God's creation.

God blessed them so much so that they even providing ppl around with organic food. Food in the market nowaday, full with insecticide, pesticide, weedicide, chemical furtilizer and genetically modification. all these thing will destroy human health, all those things are not in the law of God, God never created those things for men to eat. Those things are the product of human degeneration under the yoke of Satan.

from their testimony, i can dare to say that they are the true follower of Christ. Church of living God , body of Christ is New Testament Church. Only this church demonstrated the kind of faith and bare those kind of good fruit in the world.

also , all their children are in "Eden homestead",which is God based education. They grew up to be men loving God fearful and sin hating human being, just like the one that God have created.

so you ppl blemishing Kong Duen-Yee, since she is the chosen prophet of God (only then can she bear forth so much "good fruit" successfully, and NTC is now well known and renounced by the world.), that would mean you all have blemished against God, either intensionally or due to ignorant. you all will be judge that day.

Mt.Zion is indeed in the east, and indeed the Word of God come from east as prophesied in the book of Isaiah and other prophecy books in bible.
The Mt.Sinai of middle east is left desolated as in the book of prophecy of bible, because they continuously kill the vessels sent by God.

Hence, in the latter day, God raise up His vessel of faith in the east, in the island call Taiwan, where the sun rise. This Mt.Zion is indeed the mount of God, where the testimony of harmony and unity and truth shown.

Every footstep of God's vessel faces battles, just as in old testimony. These battles are permited by God to shown forth His glory, because no battle there will not be glory of God.
Same as Mt.Zion in the east, Indeed, it goes thru battle, 7 years of being taken away from God's children by KMT (kuo ming tan), which is iron fist gorvened under Jian Jing Guo. The satan tried to take away the land promised by God from His children, But ppl of Mt.Zion have faith in God, and never complain against God, but they knew whatever happen around then, is the will and permited by God, because they are without blemish and they are the children of faith of father Abraham.

after 7 years of hardship and trial, they wondered around, hoping one day they will be able to return mt.zion as promised by God. 7 long years, some of them being put under jail by KMT for all sort of unbelievable reason.

Later Prophet Hong (chosen by God, found by Kong Duen-Yee to success her) moved by the Spirit of God proclaim against KMT : If That tyrant Jian Jing Guo didn't die in brutal death, then he (prophet Hong) is not true prophet !

after 7 years, they caught a cobra or venomous snake with 1 blinded eye, just like jian jing guo, 1 eye blinded. Thru this , God have told them that the tyrant have being handled to God's children. And indeed, Jian jing guo go down to hell in brutal death, due to his disease of blood contains extreme high level of glukose (sugar). His hand and fingers.. and other body parts was being cut off part by part by his (jian jin guo) own doctor, because his body started to rot due to the disease. and he was bleeding thru all holes (eyes, ear, nose...etc). indeed a brutal death fit for tyrant.

After 7 years of spiritual battle, God's children who are without any weapon and fighting skill against tyrant KMT's army who have everything from gun to tank........ Children of God won, and they manage to get back Mt.Zion and stay on Mt.Zion until today. Now, Mt.Zion is well known throughtout the world.

Last time when i was at airport of Gau siong of Taiwan, the custom official asked me where go, i don't know how to write in chinese, so i wrote Mt.Zion. To my suprise, those custom officer said, i have not being Mt.zion before, but all my friends said it is so beautiful, it is another world, it is an utopia.. must go. He even wrote Mt.Zion in chinese on my embarkasion form.

Now to sum up what i have said so much,

New Testament Church is the only Body of Christ, the bride of the Lamb.
Prophet Hong is indeed the last prophet of the era, chosen by God Himself. Blemish against him is blemish against God, because He is the chosen vessel of God who represent God to giv forth His Word and teaching on earth.

Prophet Hong is so named Elijah Hong is not by himself. He didn't anoint himself such a name, but by a vessel of God - Ruth. Later on Ruth betrayed God just like Judas and hence God raise Prophet Hong up.

Now, prophet Elijah Hong is here, it is written in the bible, John the baptist is also Elijah. What does this mean ?
Elijah is not a person name, but a ministry. A ministry that open out path for the Lord's coming. John last time open out path for the 1st coming of Jesus (to forgive and to fulfill), now Prophet Hong today also assuming the ministry of Elijah, to open out the path for the 2nd coming of Christ , which is to judge this adulterous world.

Behold !! Prophet of the last era moved by Holy Spirit of God to proclaim this :
The OMEGA ERA IS HERE !! This is the omega era. God said He is the 1st , He is the last, He is Alpha and He is also Omega. So Omega is here, that means, the end of this world is here, it is happening. Every wonder why 2004 is full with plague, diseases, natural clamity , funny weather, hail storms.... etc ? because the 3 years of disaster is soon come. There is not more time to waste in the world.
Prophet Hong also proclaim: The tsunami of Acheh is not the end, it is the beginning, soon there will be another even greater earth quake occur on dry land (recorded in bible). People ! wake up, and know what time is it ! it is OMEGA time, it is no more time left. No more time left to enjoy lust, but start to do the will of God.

REPENT AND BELIEVE IN NEW TESTAMENT CHURCH AND ESCAPE FROM THIS COMING TRIBULATION.

MAY GOD OPEN YOUR EYES TO SEE AND TO HEAR THE WORK OF GOD AROUND THE WORLD AND ON MT.ZION.

andrew_ysk (andrew_ysk)

01-27-2005, 07:50 PM

to you all who are in this forum and talking ignorant with each other:

If you are going to chose a good university, you will definately walk in the university and see for your self the enviroment of the university and communicate with the staff of the university. will you go to other university or night club to find out information about the university which you want to enrol ? of course you will not, it is nonsense right ?!

it is same as if you got so much doubt and enquiries on NTC and Mount Zion and Prophet Hong, then you shall go to NTC and Mount Zion and witness for yourself and understand the 1st hand information from Mt.Zion and from Prophet himself.

You don't go around asking devil satan, or looking for info of Mt.zion in hell !! what you get of course are false info and blemishing against God. by sharing with those ignorant ppl who know nothing yet they think they know everything, you are in the trick of devil satan. It is indeed the plan of devil satan to trick ppl into blemish the church of the Living God. Since the creation of world, satan is a lier and murderer, and satan still is today.

So i advice you all know know nothing yet blemishing God's name, GO TO MT.ZION AND WITHNESS FOR YOURSELF THE GOOD FRUIT BARE FORTH BY THOSE CHILDREN OF GOD. then all your question shall be answered.
Mt.zion is Open to all men for free, because all men are given the right to share the gospel of God. Mt.zion is the testimony center of God on earth just like Jerusalem use to be before God desolated it.
when we heard the name Jerusalem, straightaway we know it is the chosen ppl of God, it is the kingdom of God. So is Mt.Zion in the east, when ppl heard of Mt.zion, straightaway they know it is the house of God, they are the chosen children of God.

Blessed are those who listen and eager to find the truth. Curse to those who blemish the chosen ppl of God.

May God enlighten you ppl.

andrew_ysk (andrew_ysk)

02-03-2005, 03:27 AM

i went thru some forum, and i am sad to tear see ppl are so "blinded" and so "igonorant".
Why you ppl have to talk "rubbish" in the net ? if you have so much doubt, why not go personally to Mt.Zion or contact New Testament Church brothers and sisters to find out the 1st hand truth ? why have to listen to ppl who don't know the actual fact ? if you are doing this, then you are stumbling youself upon that stumble stone.
a person who is eager to seek the truth will willingly travel even to the end of the earth to search for it ? why don't you guys be one like that ? who really seek instead of asking around , asking those who don't know anything instead of the actual party ?

if you want more info and you want to receive the full truth, pls come to:
http://home.ziongjcc.org

May God bless those who have a pure heart to seak.
Put up action for your eagerness of truth. Pls come to any New Testament Church around the globe to un-tie "the knot" in your heart. understand the truth before you start slandering and blemishing.

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May God bless you all from Mt.Zion in the east, in taiwan.
Mt.Zion of taiwan is Spiritual Zion in the east; Mt.Zion (Sinai)of middle east is physical Zion in Jerusalem.

(Message edited by andrew_ysk on February 22, 2005)

qqq111 (qqq111)

02-04-2005, 08:27 AM

when jesus came, n yet many still dont believe a saver had come, furthermore, in this era , how would you expect ppl right now to believe that things that u say/write is true ?

prove is the best way of showing it, could u kindly provide the evidence of this ? by going to mt.zion in taiwan , wont solve the mystery..

how u could prove that ah kong is the prophet chosen by god ? thks , may god bless

qqq111 (qqq111)

02-05-2005, 08:58 AM

to andrew,
ntc proclaim that doomsday is very near, in fact it's only '5' minutes away ! isnt' bible says that no-one would know when judgement day would arrive ?
according to ntc if whatever ah kong 'prophet' says would come true , how come only KMT tyrant that got 'punished' ? where is lee kuan yew n mahathir that escaped the so-call punishment ? as far as from medical point of view, chiang died bcos of of ill deceases, not that he died out of sudden, do u see that in lee kuan yew n mahathir ? if these 2 ppl maintain good health , would had they died cos of deceases ?
ntc says that they r the truly church around the world, does this means the rest of the christian denomination are false worshipers ? even thou they truly have faith in our Lord Jesus Christ ?
at certain point, I truly agreed what is taught by ntc. For example, I believe that one should ‘fight’ n defend one’s legal property [ eg, mt zion ] , what kmt had done is truly injustice n brutal.
But just like the nature of this world, sometimes nothing is right or wrong, it may b right to your eyes but wrong to others, n vice-versa. Would you be so arrogant to say that only what ntc says is only correct ?
We r human being , we r not perfect., isn’t we r suppose to love among each others as according to God’s 10 commandments [even with non-fellow Christians ] , just like what our Lord Jesus had taught u to be ? instead of causing more severe strain among fellow Christian ? isn’t irony ?
If judgment day come, then it’s the Lord’s authority to judge according to His will. It’s not up to us to judge others/ condemn others. What can we do is try to live a truly Christian lives according to the bible and hope for Christ’s return. That’s what I believe.
Christianity is about love, those that condemn others should really think about how sincere they r in searching for God.
I hoped you don’t get this wrong. It’s nothing personal. Just to clarify something here.
May God bless you.

andrea721 (andrea721)

02-18-2005, 06:42 AM

<font color="000000">qqq111, to give you some clarification:

1. How u could prove that ah kong is the prophet chosen by god ?

Elijah Hong is the prophet chosen by God because God fulfills the prophecies of Elijah Hong. Just to give a few examples: Elijah Hong prophesize the return of God's children to Mt. Zion in Taiwan when all odds were against them, the brutal death of Jian Jing Guo, and the fall of USSR, all of which were fulfilled. But the most conviencing proof to you that Elijah Hong is the true prophet is for you to experience for yourself this ministry assumed by Elijah Hong in this generation. Just as you believe in Jesus because in some way you have had some personal experience with Jesus in your life, you will only truly believe in the one sent by God in these last days if you are able to hear his teachings and have personal experiences with the vessel chosen by God to carry out his Will in these times.

2. ntc proclaim that doomsday is very near, in fact it's only '5' minutes away ! isnt' bible says that no-one would know when judgement day would arrive ?

The '5 minutes away' saying that NTC proclaims is not to be taken literally, it is a metaphor of saying that there is very little time left before the Lord's second coming. It is a phrase that protrays the urgency of the times, as a way for God's children to remind themselves that these times are not times to be slack.

3. according to ntc if whatever ah kong 'prophet' says would come true , how come only KMT tyrant that got 'punished' ? where is lee kuan yew n mahathir that escaped the so-call punishment ?

They have not escaped their punishment, it's only that God has His time for all things, and God's judgement will come to them according to God's time.

4. as far as from medical point of view, chiang (I think you mean Jian Jing Guo) died bcos of of ill deceases, not that he died out of sudden, do u see that in lee kuan yew n mahathir ? if these 2 ppl maintain good health , would had they died cos of deceases ?

You are correct that Jian had a long-standing disease of diabetes yet he did not die in the ordinarily way that diabetics die. Instead, he died with blood coming out of all 7 natural openings of his face/head. The method of his death was truly extrodinary and testifies to God's faithfulness. God righteously judged those who persecuate His children which is same as persecuting Jesus Himself.

5. ntc says that they r the truly church around the world, does this means the rest of the christian denomination are false worshipers ? even thou they truly have faith in our Lord Jesus Christ ?

This does not mean Christians in other denominations are false worshippers. They are God's children who are misled and deceived into following satan disguised as Jesus. The denominations are the clever wiles of satan to prevent God's children from obtaining salvation that Jesus has given to us through His blood shed by His crucification and later resurrection. The denominations must be destroyed because they are a great deception, but that is not to say the Christians in them will be destroyed. They need to be guided back into God's only household, which is the New Testament Church (NTC). This task is the holy task that God has entrusted to Kong Due Yee and later to Elijah Hong. Jesus is the head of the church, and a head can only have one body, consistent with God's principles and creations. Therefore there can only be ONE true church whose leader/head is Jesus Christ. All other denominations do not have Jesus as the head, but Satan disguised as one.

6. But just like the nature of this world, sometimes nothing is right or wrong, it may b right to your eyes but wrong to others, n vice-versa. Would you be so arrogant to say that only what ntc says is only correct ?

There can only be one truth, one Bible. God would not contradict Himself, He is consistent in his ways, never changing, and everlasting. Therefore, just because an opionion is believed by many does not not make that belief the truth. Only what NTC preaches is correct because NTC preaches only what is in the Bible, anything else would be from the imaginations of man and popular beliefs.

7. We r human being , we r not perfect., isn’t we r suppose to love among each others as according to God’s 10 commandments [even with non-fellow Christians ] , just like what our Lord Jesus had taught u to be ? instead of causing more severe strain among fellow Christian ?

We disagree with the beliefs of the christian in the denominations not because we do not love them or want to cause strain with others. On the contrary, it is because our love our fellow brethren that we feel so strongly compelled to let our fellow brethren know the truth, in hopes that they will be able to see the light and enjoy God's commanded blessings and great salvation together with us. Just as a person who loves his family would not hide the treasure his has found from the rest of his family, we would not hide the treasure of God's enlightenment on His people from our brethren who are living in the dark and blinded by the devil's deception.</font>

edenite (edenite)

02-19-2005, 01:25 PM

This is the way God proved to me that the New Testament is the only true church and Elijah Hong is a true prophet.

One night in 1996 when I had just returned to the NTC, I was on the steps of the temple at Mount Olive praying and asking God to enlighten me. In the days before visiting Mount Olive, I was asking many questions and discussing with the ministers that I had met and I was struggling because I just couldn’t accept the gospel that had been preached to me. But I decided that I would sit on the steps of the temple and wait for God to show me proof. After all, if this is the true church, the steps of the temple would be the place to be asking God for help.

As I was there praying I was remembering what my father used to tell me. He used to say that if I looked at the stars in the sky, and I saw a shooting star, then that is God talking to me. So every time I looked at that stars and I saw a shooting star, I would remember what my father said and feel very close to God. That night I was there alone for some time sitting on the steps in the dark continuing to talk to God. And I started to look at the stars hoping that God would confirm the words that have been preached to me in those days. I would ask God if it was true that Elijah Hong was a true apostle just like Paul in the bible. I would ask if it was true that the New Testament Church was the only true church. If all this was true I wanted God to prove it to me by showing me a sign. So I was looking at the stars to see a shooting star hoping that I would see one. I really wanted to believe and I knew that if I just saw one, then that would be good enough. but there was none. I didn't see one. I looked for a long time but I didn't see a single dash in the night sky.

I remained on the steps for sometime. And while I was there I started realizing that I'm not supposed to see proof. I'm supposed to have faith. I remembered Hebrew 11; "Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see." This is when I realized that if I wanted to see proof then I would be waiting forever. I would never receive enlightenment. I realized that I need to believe by faith not by proof. If I needed proof then I wasn’t a believer at all.

So at that very moment, I truly believed that Elijah Hong is a true prophet and that the New Testament Church is the only true church. Yes. I decided to believe by faith. But then let me tell you what happened next. As I was admitting to God that I believed and had faith, Suddenly I heard this crash in the sky to the left of the temple and the sky lit up and when I jumped up and looked, there was a huge meteorite that had just crashed in! Flying through the sky it was burning all different colors, red, purple, orange and yellow. I was jumping up and down so excited as I watched it burning and flying across the night sky until it hit the ground down in the farm land in the distance. I couldn't believe my eyes but it was sure proof that God had indeed answered my prayers that very moment like I had been hoping for! God is indeed faithful and He showed me the sign and proof that I wanted to see but He waited until I believed without seeing first. When I believed in my heart, He knew it and sent that shooting star I was looking for to confirm it. I ran down the mountain and of course all the people staying there saw it too and I felt like a million bucks.

Those of you who read this and still have doubt and don't believe, let me ask you, have you ever seen a rainbow around the sun? If you did, did you ever wonder why this happens? The rainbow around the sun is God showing his delight in the saints in the New Testament Church. It is his proof and the confirmation of the believers who have faith. If you ever see it, you should remember that this is the appearance of the throne and God is appearing to his church. This is a very common occurrence during big events and special days in the NTC. There are thousands of NTC members who can testify to this including myself. There was a rainbow around the sun on my wedding day above that same temple at Mount Olive. But who can cause these celestial phenomena to happen on these days and not the day before or after? The rainbow around the sun will only appear in the NTC.

The New Testament Church is not a cult. It is the body of Christ. Sis Kong Duen Yee rebuilt the New Testament Church according to God's will because it had been destroyed by Roman Catholicism long ago. It was her divine obligation. And I thank God that He raised up another to succeed her ministry, Elijah Hong.

believer924 (believer924)

02-20-2005, 08:28 PM

Re: The Ministry of Elijah

The last two verses in the last book of the Old Testament said, " See, I will send you the prophet Elijah BEFORE the great and dreadful day of the Lord comes, He will turn the hearts of the fathers to their children and the hearts of the children to their fathers; or else I will come and strike the land with a curse.â€ (Mal. 4:5-6)

John the Baptist was truly the Elijah sent by God. (Matt. 11:7-10, 17:10-13, Luke.1:13-17, 67-79). He came to pave the way for the 1st coming of the Lord Jesus.

In these last days the Lord Jesus Christ is returning soon. So Christians cannot just recognize the Elijah sent by God in the past, but must also recognize the later day Elijah sent by God to pave the way of the Lordâ€™s 2nd coming!

The Elijah who is to come as prophesied in Mal. 4:5 mentioned a very important back ground of the era, that is â€œthe great and dreadful day of the Lord.â€ What is â€œthe great and dreadful day of the Lordâ€™? That is what the Lord Jesus said, â€œFor then there will be distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now and never to be equaled again. If those days had not been cut short, no one would surviveâ€¦.â€ (Matt.24:21-22, Dan.12:1). This is an unprecedented great tribulation, the vision seen by apostle John when the 7 seals are opened, the 7 trumpets blown and 7 bowls poured. It is also the day of the wrath of the Lamb!

believer924 (believer924)

02-20-2005, 08:31 PM

Why did Lord Jesus call John the Baptist Elijah ? Did He mean the prophet Elijah of Ahabâ€™s era came alive ? Surely He did not mean that. It is because John the Baptist went on before the Lord, in the spirit and power of Elijah, to turn the hearts of the fathers to their children and the disobedient to the wisdom of the righteous â€“ to make ready a people prepared for the Lord (LK. 1 :17).

believer924 (believer924)

02-20-2005, 08:35 PM

In these last days before the Lordâ€™s return, He sent Sister Kong Duen Yee to assume the ministry of Elijah. If you have read all the books recorded by her, you will know what is meant by in â€œthe spirit and power of Elijahâ€. (I use the word recorded because she is not the author of her books. She just recorded what the Holy Spirit revealed to her and the work of the Holy Spirit. Reading her books is like reading The Acts of the Apostles and the letters of the apostles in the Bible). After she rest in the Lord, her daughter succeeded her ministry but unfortunately she could not hold fast to the vision and the truth her mother received from the Lord. What sister Kong preached is not something that she made up. She received it from the Lord Jesus Christ. So no one , including herself can overthrow it. Brother Elijah Hong truly recognized sister Kongâ€™s ministry. He said (in 1976) that even if everybody in NTC left to follow Ruth, he would not disobey the heavenly vision sister Kong received from the Lord. He was the manifested by Holy Spirit to succeed Sister Kongâ€™s ministry of later day Elijah.

believer924 (believer924)

02-20-2005, 08:38 PM

Whether a prophet is sent by God, one can tell from her response to Godâ€™s Words. The prophet sent by God , not only believes in God, but also believes in the Words of God. She believed without doubt godâ€™s leading for her in whatever circumstance and did according to the leading of Godâ€™s words. Sister Kong passed the test and so is Brother Hong. Their obedience to the leading of the Holy Spirit is obedience till death in the environment God measured for them. Read their books and you will know what I mean.

Learn from the mistake of the Jews. Do not repeat their mistake. They believe in God but not the Son He sent. Because they cannot say, â€œ Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord,â€ so until today Jerusalem is still desolate and they have no peace. Today Christians believe in the Lord Jesus Christ but not the prophet He sent to do the revival work. Therefore they have no way to do the work of God and His will. As a result they cannot enter His Kingdom . (Matt. 7:21 , Jn.6:29), What a pity !

believer924 (believer924)

02-20-2005, 08:43 PM

God is love but He is also righteous. His principle for love is : Sow for yourselves righteousness , reap the fruit of unfailing love. (Hos. 10:12). True love is based on truth. A true Christian has the duty to guide a fellow Christian to walk in the truth by not going against Godâ€™s working principle. He speaks and works through the one He sent. It is unitary leadership. You may disagree but it is Biblical Truth.

The church is built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets. (Eph. 2: 20) What does it mean? It means the apostles ordained by God are to lead the church to testify to the words of the prophets in the Old Testament. The Lord Jesus Christ said, â€œ Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.â€ (LK.24:44). Peter advised Christians to pay attention to the word of the prophets. (2pe. 1:19-21). There is common saying among the denominational Christians â€œIs a matter of interpretationâ€. Not at all, is a matter of fulfillment of prophecies ! Today, NTC is bearing the living testimony to the words of the prophets under the leading of the Holy Spirit through the one sent by God.

Christians have their choice, To worship God is spirit and in truth in the NTC rebuilt by the Holy Spirit or in denominations organized according to the will of traditions of men.

believer924 (believer924)

02-20-2005, 08:56 PM

the Omega time is here !

Yet once again, the Prophet of all nations moved by Holy Spirit said: (go the the link below to hear what the prophet of all nations said).

http://www.churchofkl.org/churchofkl/261204_englishhotmail/261204_englishhotmail.html

May God enlighten everyone of you who happen to see this thread.

May God bless all of you from Mt.Zion in Taiwan, who have God fearing heart and seeking the truth.

qqq111 (qqq111)

02-28-2005, 03:29 PM

Prophesy of Prophet of all Nations Came True.
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Indeed, the prophesy of Prophet of all Nations indeed came true.

http://www.churchofkl.org/churchofkl/261204_englishhotmail/261204_englishhotmail.html
From this link above that posted on 20th feb 2005 in this forum, prophet of all nations already moved by the Spirit of God on 26 Dec 2004 after the tsunami , prophesied that God not only shake the ocean, WILL AGAIN SHAKE THE DRY LAND, and this will happen very SOON !!
This prophesy has indeed fulfilled in Central Iran (Central Iran indeed is piece of dry land) on 2005/02/22 02:25:22 (30.74N 56.90E)
Magnitude :6.4
the death toll is still raising now already 500 dead body.
(death toll taken from this news site http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=9114)
Iran's quake death toll rises to 500

- what is that to be so surprise ? iran , acheh , taiwan , japan .... etc all falls into 1 category, it lies above volcanic area, earth quake happening
at those area is consider normal , if earthquake happen in england, malaysia/ singapore, only then one should start believing what ntc is trying to proclaim is true after all

ini_72127 (ini_72127)

03-03-2005, 04:38 PM

Ever since mankind fell from grace and left God, their lives have been empty and painful for generations. They are tortured by sins while alive, and faced with judgment after death. But God so loved the world that He sent His only begotten Son Jesus Christ to this earth. Jesus Christ shed His blood and sacrificed His life on the cross for the sake of this world. Three days after His death, He rose from the dead and ascended to heaven. Having destroyed the power of death and gained all the power in heaven and on earth, He was exalted to the right hand of the Father, where He began to make supplication for mankind. Those who believe in Him shall not perish, but will have everlasting life. When the Lord Jesus preached the gospel to Nicodemus, He said, "Unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. Unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God." (John 3:3, 5) This is because "there are three that bear witness on earth: the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree as one... He who believes in the Son of God has the witness in himself... And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life" (1 John 5:8, 10–11). Anyone who wishes to be saved through rebirth; to overcome sins, death and the devil; and to gain eternal life in God's kingdom must receive the full gospel of blood, water and Holy Spirit.

Witness of Blood

The witness of blood means thorough confession of sins, repentance, and being born again. For all have sinned and come short of God's glory — being unholy and unrighteous, worshiping false gods, mocking God, denying the existence of God, professing to be God's equals — and have thus become crooked at heart, acting unjustly and immorally. The wages of sins are death. For mankind to be spared this death, they must first come before Jesus the Savior who shed His blood and died for this world. Men should confess their sins and repent, seeking the purification of their heart and soul through His blood. Once they are reborn, they must live in the reality of the witness of blood on a daily basis.

Witness of Water

The witness of water means keeping the Lord's word (water), believing in the Lord, and being baptized into His name. Believers should be baptized in water (total immersion). As they come out of the water, it is a symbol that they have died, been buried (ceased from sinful flesh), and risen (gained a new spiritual life) with the Lord. After this initial baptism, they should continue to immerse themselves daily in the Lord's word. That means they should abide by the teachings of the anointing and the apostles, put their soulish life and carnal self to death, and be established in the church (body of Christ). Then they will be able to grow and manifest Christ's abundant life.

Witness of the Holy Spirit

The witness of the Holy Spirit means accepting the Holy Spirit baptism, being constantly filled with the Holy Spirit, and speaking in tongues to communicate with God. After the initial Holy Spirit baptism and speaking in tongues, believers must continue to be built in the New Testament Church (the purpose of being baptized in one Holy Spirit is to build the body of Christ, that is, the church). They must continue to immerse themselves in the Holy Spirit and pray in tongues often so as to receive power from above to fight against the world, sins and tyranny. They must also lead the life of an overcomer, be filled with the Holy Spirit daily, and bear glorious witness for the Lord until His retturn.

Reprint: 2.28.2005

qqq111 (qqq111)

03-04-2005, 11:15 AM

hi omega 127,
if possible could u pls answer question 4, 5, 6 as well. really appreciate.

qqq111 (qqq111)

03-04-2005, 02:44 PM

dear all ntc member,
u all keep telling fellow christian denomination to repent n return to ntc. the only information that i'm getting is only going straight to ziongjcc website and a list of taiwan n worldside addresses.
why not u give a list of ntc church address eg, malaysia, singapore , china, japan..etc so that people that actually hear yr preaches and will witness for their own eyes by attending yr church instead of plain reading what u all wrote n expect people to just take your word for granted, let them judge by themselve whether to accept ntc of not ?

qqq111 (qqq111)

03-05-2005, 03:06 PM

to ini-72127;

We don’t have much time left. The feast of the Trumpets on July 1 will be here soon.he glory of the Pentecost will reach its peak. The ministry of ending human kingdoms that the NTC is assuming will also reach its peak.

-- does this means July 1 2005 is our last day on earth ? }

omega127 (omega127)

03-05-2005, 04:15 PM

Posted on Saturday, March 05, 2005 - 10:13 am:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dearqqq111,

It is a good sugesstion to list all the local church addresses of the various countries that do have a local church. Currently, you can write the Taiwan website to get the local address if you want to attend a church meeting. All are welcomed.

I will put your request to Taiwan.

I am working on the rest of the answers. Questions 5 and 6 take some time.

4. -- if his method of death was extraordinary is way to prove to God’s faithfulness then what if he died naturally ?? would this change your way of thinking ? I’m sure you would come out with something else to support your reaction.

>> There is no IF. What the prophet has said, God will confirm. Chiang did die that way and that is that.

andrew_ysk (andrew_ysk)

03-05-2005, 05:51 PM

re: qqq111

From the question asked by qqq111, i believe that denomination such as the one qqq111 is in, do not celebrate the Feasts of God which are recorded in bible, example: The Feast of Trumpet ... etc. But i believe qqq111 definately celebrate Christmas, right ?
Christmas is NOT the teaching of bible, you can't find the date nor time of Jesus birth in bible, of course, you can't find Christmas also.Hence Christmas is actually created by men, using their own human wisdom, it is NOT biblical truth.

I believe you never go thru the message posted on this forum properly, that's why silly questions asked. pardon me for using the word "silly", but personally to me, it is a true fact.

From the above msg posted by (ini_72127) on Thursday, March 03, 2005 - 10:51 am, under topic: To Know Him Better (June 22, 2004—Message of the Lord’s Servant, Bro. Hong during the Morning Prayer Service on Mount Zion), i can easily reply you this question according to the message posted. The answer is posted there, on the title, black and white,

qqq111, you asked the question:
-- does this means July 1 2005 is our last day on earth ? }

Answer:
as you have seen the msg posted is actually the Message of the Lord’s Servant, Bro. Hong during the Morning Prayer Service on Mount Zion DATED June 22, 2004.
Now, have i answered your question ?
The message of the Lord's servant is dated June 22, 2004. It is clear that the "July 1" meant July 1 of 2004 not July 2005..

Did the message posted by "ini_72127" tell you that Fest of the Trumpets 2004 means "our last day on earth" ? No !
We celebrate the feasts of God which are recorded in bible.
However, NTC saints never celebrate "Christmas", "Good Friday", "Esther Day" and all any other men made feasts, because those are not the teaching of bible but rather creation of men themself.
Christmas is created by men, not teaching of bible, hence Christmas is falsehood.

Feast of God is higher than feast of men, yet denomination believers don't celebrate the Feasts of God but celebrate Christmas which is not biblical teaching,

You probaly don't know that our services on Mt.Zion is open to public all the time, we welcome all those who eager to listen to the gospel of heaven. If you are truly eager to know the truth, you should not roaming around in internet forum and asking questions over internet.
Instead,you shall go Mt.Zion and witness for yourself the glory of Mt.Zion and clear your doubt there, If you think the journey is too far or too expensive to see the Works of God on Mt.Zion, then you still have alternative. Our local churches also welcome all those who eager to listen to gospel of heaven, pls contact local church (NTC) in K.L.

Hallelujah !
Church is built on the foundation of apostles and prophets & Jesus Christ Himself being the chief corner stone (eph. 2:20)

(Message edited by andrew_ysk on March 05, 2005)

ini_72127 (ini_72127)

03-05-2005, 06:27 PM

We don’t have much time left.

>>> The Lord Jesus said(then), Repent, for the kingdom of God is at hand. "...even at the door..."
time left – a day as 1000 years and 1000 years as 1 day.
a thief (planned, and watches) then break in- bind the owner, and loot.

The feast of the Trumpets on July 1 will be here soon.he glory of the Pentecost will reach its peak. The ministry of ending human kingdoms that the NTC is assuming will also reach its peak.

>>> John 3:3,5 Acts 2:38,39 – 47 Acts 19: 1-7

-- does this means July 1 2005 is our last day on earth ? }

>>> as in the days of Noah, so shall be the last days --- unbelievers and
disobedient. God commands His servant(s)- messenger(s), to preach the
Gospel truth BWS (John 3:3,5), and God’s testimony (1John 5:1-6-8)
believe whom He sent…, for this is doing the works of God... till we attian unity (perfection- other flocks to bring to be in one fold under 1 sheperd) then that which is perfect will come. Even then Lord come quickly. Amen.

Mal. 4:5.6 John 6:28,29 Eph. 4:11-13--

May the grace of God and the love of our Lord Jesus Christ be with us all till His return and to enter His Rest.

Greetings from followers @ Central Pacific Ocean.

(Message edited by ini_72127 on March 09, 2005)

(Message edited by ini_72127 on March 09, 2005)

andrew_ysk (andrew_ysk)

03-05-2005, 06:41 PM

qqq111 said:
"why would u need to sort of ‘bribe’ official at Mt. Hebron in order to extend the visa for your fellow members there ? "

There have NEVER being and certainly NOT NEEDED to bribe officer at Mt.Hebron , why should there be ?
Mt.Hebron is a consecrated land in Malaysia, it is where all the saints live together away from corruption of human civilization.
It is just similar to the very realm of Antioch (ACT 11:26), all believer and saints live and work together peacefully. They all serve and worship one God, the only True God, the God who created heaven and earth, the God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob.

Now my question is: Why need to apply visa to stay at Mt.Hebron at all ?
Why you, qqq111 having such a falsehood accusation to the church of Ever Living God ?
What you, qqq111 hoping to gain from Church of Ever Living God with such a falsehood accusation ?
There is only 1 that hated the Church of Ever Living God, that is the satan himself. Anyone that hate the Church of Ever Living God is from satan.
May God judge over this personally.

(Message edited by andrew_ysk on March 05, 2005)

andrew_ysk (andrew_ysk)

03-05-2005, 07:27 PM

to qqq111,

it seems like the more we try to solve your questions, the more questions you are having.

it seems, answering your questions in this way is not helping you at all.

Why not you take up immediate actions to visit Mt.Zion or local church (NTC) and solve all your question one shot ?

if you love the truth of God, we are all happy for you.
If you zealous for God, then you shall take up immediate action to contact the nearest Church (NTC).
Asking but no action simply nothing, it won't get you anywhere.

The above is my personal advice.

We are all busy people with our life to tackle everyday, so we will not able to reply all your questions that is none stop.

Any other questions regarding the Truth that NTC preaches, come personally or bring your friends together and ask at our local church (NTC).

Pls tell me where in Malaysia do you stay ? So that i can provide you the contact of the nearest Church (NTC).

Friendly Advices from Singapore.

andrew_ysk (andrew_ysk)

03-05-2005, 07:35 PM

re qqq111:

I hope the above have concluded all your "never ending questions". :-)

I am waiting for your location of stay in malaysia, so that we will able to provide you with the contact to our local Church (NTC), from there, you can clear all your doubt effectively.

Thank you.
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http://www.ziongjcc.org/

(Message edited by andrew_ysk on March 05, 2005)

qqq111 (qqq111)

03-10-2005, 12:50 PM

hi all ntc members,
andrew, u r right, this wont solve the endless question. there r still a lot of question to ask , but like u said we all are working ppl therefore, sometimes just seems cant spare the time for this.
i'm not from any denomination, however i'm still searching for Lord Jesus, that's why i got so many question. a student learning will have a lot of question to ask.
i travel quite often, if u r willing to let me know the local churches address do let me know.
in kl, johor, melaka, or even spore.
it would be better if u let me know the consecreted land in malaysia, who know ? i might go there once to witness myself.
abt the 'bribery' , mayb i;m wrong n quick to judge, thu causing misintrepretation. what i heard before is in south africa consecreted land.
i dont have much time to xplain to all ntc members anwers n question. however,thks for tolerate all these while.
may God bless u all in whatever we do under Lord Jesus name.

omega127 (omega127)

03-13-2005, 03:48 PM

Hello qqq111,

Sorry it took so long to get back to you. Here is the address for the Church of KL.

Contact : Mr. Sia/Ms. Lee
address : 19 Jalan St. Thomas
3 1/2 miles Jalan Ipoh
51100 KL
tel no : 03 - 6251 7108
h/p : 012 - 259 3924

(Message edited by omega127 on March 14, 2005)

qqq111 (qqq111)

03-14-2005, 01:53 PM

hi ,
can i hv the rest of address. thks for the trouble.

omega127 (omega127)

03-15-2005, 09:39 AM

qqq111,

I think that it would be better if you contact Mr. Sia yourself if you require more addresses. I am only a regular member and would have to do the same myself to get whatever addresses you need in Malaysia. So you might as well cut me out, the middle man ;).

Thank you for reading all our answers and I hope they were of help.

qqq111 (qqq111)

03-17-2005, 01:48 AM

hi all,
can anybody, provide the addresses ? especially mt. hebron in malaysia ? thkjs

andrew_ysk (andrew_ysk)

03-17-2005, 05:10 PM

to qqq111,

Omega127 have provided you with the address and contact number that you need.

Contact : Mr. Sia/Ms. Lee
address : 19 Jalan St. Thomas
3 1/2 miles Jalan Ipoh
51100 KL
tel no : 03 - 6251 7108
h/p : 012 - 259 3924

why don't you go there to listen to the gospel of Kingdom of God ? then you can ask them for the rest of the address that you need.
are there not even handphone number provided ? pls contact directly to them.

I won't be visiting this forum as frequent.

so, if you got any doubt on the Truth of God, pls contact the provided number and address. They will always willing to serve those who eager to learn the truth.

May God bless everybody from Mt.Zion in Taiwan.
Hallelujah !

crtomir

03-17-2006, 03:13 AM

Is that the end?

I wanted to learn more about the NTC and Mt. Zion. I visited there once when I was in Taiwan. My wife's family is from Tainan, so it's not too far away. There is one town near Mt. Zion that is famous for purple Taro (Oh-wa in Taiwanese) potatoes. I love that place. I often wanted to live there with my children. They must be doing something right up on that mountain. People say they are a cult, but in my opinion, early Christianity was thought of as a cult too. The education of the children on top of Mt. Zion is the best in all of Taiwan and also it is probably one of the best in the world.

Now, I am in the US, but someday, I hope to go back to Taiwan with my family and I hope we can visit to Mt. Zion again and learn more.

Shalom

jchrist

04-13-2006, 02:48 PM

Here's some more:

1. The NTC "shelters" its members from the real world by proclaiming that the world is evil. Hence, the NTC has condoned: a. child members being pulled out of school, b. members quitting their jobs to work for the church and c. members selling their homes to live and work on their mountains.

2. Although the NTC proclaims worldly things as "evil", their hymnals and festivals are based on Chinese and/or American pop songs and themes respectively. Hence, there must be at least 1-2 NTC leaders specializing in embracing the world by actually living in it and spending NTC donations to watch t.v. and listen to the radio.

3. Because the NTC is typically populated by uneducated people and blue-collared workers, many "wordly" items are deemed "OK" because they preach NTC themes. For example, the Steven Seagal movie, "On Deadly Ground", was deemed "acceptable" to watch, since Mr. Seagal told Joan Chen to "never look back" when following him - just as you should "never look back" when following God. Hence, you can follow them, not give up the things of the world, and still be brainwashed into losing your time and money to the NTC!

4. The NTC is indirectly responsible in the deaths of many of its members, in placing them in dangerous situations while doing "things for God." For example, members are forced to drive to and from Paso Robles, CA (somewhere between L.A. and S.F.) for church festivals, despite their exhaustive schedules. Because of the long commute, members have been involved in car accidents, including several members being killed in a car crash. Upon discovering their deaths, NTC leaders (who previously proclaimed that NO death would occur upon their "holy land") covered their a--es by stating that God "needed" those followers, so told all members to begin celebrating!

boysband

04-22-2006, 08:53 AM

hey,
andrew_ysk, andrea721, edenite, believer924, ini_72127 and omega127 are you from the same church? and at the same place?

edenite

06-01-2006, 08:49 PM

jchrist, What? You have some very interesting comments. Not true but interesting. I think this topic has been discussed to oblivion. No need to start talking nonsense.

Boysband, Yes of course we are in the same church! But the most important part to notice about this, is that each of us is from somewhere else in the world yet we share the same spirit. We are believers who are part of one body. The Body of Christ - The New Testament Church.

(Message edited by edenite on June 01, 2006)

jehovah

06-17-2006, 09:44 PM

Yes, Edenite. It's all true. If you think not, then please elaborate.

And no, this topic has certainly not been discussed to death. You, andrew_ysk, andrea721, believer924, ini_72127 and omega127 have basically just posted when you've been taught at the NTC. None of you has addressed the problems within the church, nor have you really explained why your church is the only church.

And no, the "important part" is not that you all share the same spirit, but that you have all collaborated together to address this board. In short, you have all worked together to try and prove that the NTC is the only church meaning that your responses are not from different people believing the same thing, but rather people working together to try and prove a point.

Yet, you have not said anything about how the NTC has affected, been affected or predicted events in the world OUTSIDE of Taiwan - outside of where the NTC is based. Please tell us about the NTC's views (within the last 10-20 years) regarding Yugoslavia, Rwanda, Iraq, Korea, Palestine and Israel. And don't forget the factor in how Taiwan is related to all this, because (as you all already know) those Taiwanese are God's chosen people.

edenite

06-28-2006, 03:20 AM

Well, okay... You said:

>>1. The NTC "shelters" its members from the real world by proclaiming that the world is evil. "

Yea the world is evil! Members are not "sheltered" from the world. They know very well about the evil in the world. They learn the truth about the world.

The 3 examples you said:

>>Hence, the NTC has condoned: a. child members being pulled out of school..."

As a parent myself, I am responsible for my child's life. In America (but not only America), children are very often shot and killed in school or on their way to and from school. Students fornicate, do drugs, and commit unspeakable things to their own bodies in school. Therefore we rescue our children from the education systems of the world that teach and tolerate evil to our children and have nothing to do with God. We educate them at home and also teach them about God. We love them and we want them to enter Gods Kingdom.

>>b. members quitting their jobs to work for the church and c. members selling their homes to live and work on their mountains."

Because they recognize that this world has departed from God and they no longer want to have anything to do with it, some members decide on their own to serve God and not man. The decision is self initiated. They are volunteers and they receive no pay. May God remember their works!

>>2. Although the NTC proclaims worldly things as "evil", their hymnals and festivals are based on Chinese and/or American pop songs and themes respectively. Hence, there must be at least 1-2 NTC leaders specializing in embracing the world by actually living in it and spending NTC donations to watch t.v. and listen to the radio.

The hymnals are not written by church leaders like you imagine. They are written by members who wish to worship the Lord more completely. And since they are not sheltered from the world and know all about it, they take these worldly songs and change the words so that it can be used to benefit God and Man. We never offer a worldly song to God in any service or festivity. The are no NTC leaders embracing the world. And they certainly are not spending donations watching TV and listening to the radio. Not even one!

>>3. Because the NTC is typically populated by uneducated people and blue-collared workers, many "worldly" items are deemed "OK" because they preach NTC themes. For example, the Steven Seagal movie, "On Deadly Ground", was deemed "acceptable" to watch, since Mr. Seagal told Joan Chen to "never look back" when following him - just as you should "never look back" when following God. Hence, you can follow them, not give up the things of the world, and still be brainwashed into losing your time and money to the NTC!

Once again they are not sheltered therefore no one needs to deem anything "OK". Anyway what you're saying here is nonsense. Your population demographic is completely baseless and the members are certainly not being brainwashed.

(Please continue on the next post)

edenite

06-28-2006, 03:37 AM

(continued)

>>4. The NTC is indirectly responsible in the deaths of many of its members, in placing them in dangerous situations while doing "things for God." For example, members are forced to drive to and from Paso Robles, CA (somewhere between L.A. and S.F.) for church festivals, despite their exhaustive schedules. Because of the long commute, members have been involved in car accidents, including several members being killed in a car crash. Upon discovering their deaths, NTC leaders (who previously proclaimed that NO death would occur upon their "holy land") covered their a--es by stating that God "needed" those followers, so told all members to begin celebrating!

You are making reference to a very unfortunate accident that happened to 2 members of a family in NTC. With respect to them I will say that these people loved God very much. They were in NTC for many years and they are overcomers who have been received by the Lord. They were not forced to drive anywhere. They willingly worshipped God in NTC. But in the context of your remarks here and your knowledge of this incident proves that you are just a former member that has turned apostate and you're not really interested in anything other than spouting nonsense about NTC because you are against it. I hope God will repay you for your contempt.

>>>None of you has addressed the problems within the church...

There are no problems to explain. And if there were, there is no need to explain them to you.

>>>...nor have you really explained why your church is the only church.

This has been adequately explained. And you already know.

>>>And no, the "important part" is not that you all share the same spirit, but that you have all collaborated together to address this board. In short, you have all worked together to try and prove that the NTC is the only church meaning that your responses are not from different people believing the same thing, but rather people working together to try and prove a point.

Not so. I don't personally know them. I did not collaborate with them. And we all DO believe the same thing. Haven't you been listening?

>>>Yet, you have not said anything about how the NTC has affected, been affected or predicted events in the world OUTSIDE of Taiwan - outside of where the NTC is based. Please tell us about the NTC's views (within the last 10-20 years) regarding Yugoslavia, Rwanda, Iraq, Korea, Palestine and Israel. And don't forget the factor in how Taiwan is related to all this, because (as you all already know) those Taiwanese are God's chosen people.

We have no interest in the world therefore we have no views about the places you listed. There - I have said something about it.

Now that I have elaborated, I hope readers realize that all the opposing posters here in this topic are not interested in the truth. Their only interest is to try and slander and decimate the New Testament Church because they appose it.

(Please continue on the next post)

(Corrected a misspelling)

(Message edited by edenite on June 27, 2006)

edenite

06-28-2006, 03:39 AM

(continued)

Therefore I would like to close this topic once and for all by addressing the original post by Anonymous:

>>>The New Testament Church was founded by the actress Kong Duen-Yee. Since her death, the "prophet" is Elijah Hong. He calls himself the prophet of all nations. The stated mission of this church is to destroy all other denominations and all nations. Of course, Brother Hong will then lead the world. That is his "divine obligation". The cult is based in Taiwan, but has churches all over the world. Members are used as free labor to grow "healthy" food products and to do missionary work. Small children are made to fast for days at a time. Their US headquarters is in the Los Angeles area. Their website is http://home.ziongjcc.org/zion/english

Elijah Hong never said he is going to lead the world. No one is forced to fast for any length of time. The poster here is claiming the NTC is a cult which is also not true.

Please read this article: "HOW TO DETERMINE IF A GROUP IS A DESTRUCTIVE CULT"

http://www.factnet.org/rancho5.htm

I will recommend this topic be closed to further discussion. Any further discussion on this topic will be ignored.

(Message edited by edenite on June 27, 2006)

boysband

06-30-2006, 09:19 AM

Edenite,

I think you should come back to the origin, I will believe in your word if only you make a demonstration by simply using god's words, that means, give me the Bible references which prove that your church is the true church and your prophet the right one.
If not, your argumentation is not at all believable but all the contrary because you are convinced of what you says.
But actually our common point is God's words, the Bible.
So, use the origin words to make your argumentation.
So, I'm waiting for your answer.

edenite

07-01-2006, 01:36 AM

Boysband,

The original topic has been addressed. The secondary arguments were also answered. I'm sorry if you still don't understand.

Dave

jehovah

07-03-2006, 01:25 AM

"We have no interest in the world therefore we have no views about the places you listed. There - I have said something about it."

-posted by Edenite regarding questions about regarding Yugoslavia, Rwanda, Iraq, Korea, Palestine and Israel.

Now that's really amazing. andrea721 stated on February 18, 2005: "Elijah Hong prophesize (sic) the...fall of USSR."

andrew_ysk stated on February 26, 2005: "This prophesy has indeed fulfilled in Central Iran," and he gives numerous links to news articles to support this statement. Unfortunately, those links are all now defunct.

Given, edenite has admitted that andrea721 and andrew_ysk are all from the "same place", apparently edenite has gotten his head even further stuck up his a--.

So, the places I listed (Yugoslavia [i.e. part of the former USSR], Rwanda, Iraq, Korea, Palestine and Israel), you have no interest in, but as for the "USSR" (according to your own definition) and Iran - those places you totally know about?!

boysband

07-05-2006, 09:40 AM

Yugaslavia has never been a part of the former USSR but was a part of the Eastern block (like Romania, Thekoslovaquia, Polonia, etc.)
But there is indeed a contradiction between edenite, andrea721 and andrew_ysk.
So, what are your answers about this?

edenite

07-06-2006, 09:37 PM

Perhaps you should give it a rest. There's nothing more to discuss here.

boysband

07-07-2006, 07:58 AM

You want to rest where as the Lord still didn't come back?
Up to u...

boysband

07-07-2006, 08:01 AM

You want to rest where as the Lord still didn't come back?
Up to u...

boysband

07-07-2006, 08:04 AM

You want to rest where as the Lord still didn't come back?
Up to u...

boysband

07-07-2006, 08:07 AM

You want to rest where as the Lord still didn't come back?
Up to u...

jehovah

07-31-2006, 05:09 PM

Yugoslavia got dismantled around the same time as the USSR. Sorry about the confusion, boysband.

As for all the places I've listed, here's the very brief breakdown:

Genocide took place in Yugoslavia and Rwanda back in the 1990's.

Palestine and Israel have been fighting a holy war against each other for the past 4 decades.

Korea is ruled by a dictator, who freely talks about using nuclear weapons.

And Iraq...well, some idiot thinks that's where terrorists are born and raised, so billions of U.S. dollars are being wasted so he can play Armageddon. But nevermind.

So millions of death and destruction (as well as the possibility of nuclear war) really doesn't interest you, edenite? I guess that means that your god doesn't give a sh-t about the rest of the world, either.

Anticipated response: "The world is evil, so God lets men destroy themselves."

Ah, yes. I guess God wasn't meant for everyone - only those willing to surrender their time, children and money to some cult - I mean, church.

marilyn_m

08-16-2006, 02:18 AM

jehovah" I agree with the point you are trying to make, but if you really believe in God, are you not afraid of using his name as your user name? just a thought}

marilyn_m

08-16-2006, 03:45 AM

andrew_ysk (andrew_ysk,
I hate to disappoint you but Kong Duen-Yee, is not the chosen prophet of God .If she is then why have we not seen her name mentioned in the bible?

Jesus says: "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Some of your believes do make sense, like christmas not being a biblical Truth( however most christians have adopted it to celebrate Christ's birth, when in fact research proves that Jesus was born in the fall,most likely Sept. or Oct.)
but most of your believes are just silly to me. ( just my opinion)

marilyn_m

08-16-2006, 07:58 PM

edenite, I just read your other posts & went into your website on"HOW TO DETERMINE IF A GROUP IS A DESTRUCTIVE CULT" " Priests, rabbis, ministers, democratic leaders, and leaders of genuinely altruistic movements keep the veneration of adherents focused on God, abstract principles, and group purposes. Cult leaders, in contrast, keep the focus of love, devotion, and allegiance on themselves."
Most of your focus seems to be on Kong Duen-Yee & Elijah Hong . My focus is not to look to any human, but to Jesus as my leader & teacher.

and what is all this about The stated mission of this church is to destroy all other denominations and all nations.
The Bible says in Daniel 22:44 "In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people. It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever."

Where did the idea of children being made to fast for days at a time come from, because that is just child abuse.

marilyn_m

08-16-2006, 08:45 PM

andrew,You certainly are intitled to believe what ever you want to but please do some research first.Do you believe in John 3:16 ?
John3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."
Some of your believes make some sense, like christmas not being biblical truth.
in fact reasearch shows that Jesus was likely born in the Fall, most likely Sept. or Oct,but christians have adopted the holiday to remember his birth.

1John 3 :1 says:" Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

You seem to believe with your heart & your faith seems to be strong as is mine, & I know that it must hurt & even sometimes anger you when people question your believes as "silly" but we all feel that way about what we believe & sometimes it is just common sense.
I belonged once to a religion that I thought was ture at that time but soon started to see great falsehood in it. I believe that God puts us where he wants us & uses different religions as stepping stones for us to gain the knowledge that he knows we need , that's why he tells us to "seek & we will find" maybe God wants you where you are right now but please don't ever give up searching.
may God bless you & show you the way.
Marilyn

sharon

08-21-2006, 11:36 AM

Marilyn.. I see no one disputes you. Your words must ring true. Good message. Jesus is the only way.

edenite

08-22-2006, 07:46 PM

Marilyn_m,

The web address you read is from this website not mine. The statement says "Priests, rabbis, ministers, democratic leaders, and leaders of genuinely altruistic movements keep the veneration of adherents focused on God" this is true also with Elijah Hong and was also true with Kong Duen-Yee. Therefore according to this definition, the New Testament Church, whom they represent, is not a cult. You are confusing our defence of the truth as doctrine of the church which is an incorrect judgement on your part.

You have said it. The mission of the church is what God will do. "In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people. It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever." This will surely be done by God as stated in the bible.

Your statement to andrew about 1John 3:1 says:" Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world."... is precisely why God will destroy the denominations.

Regarding your statement to andrew_ysk on post 120: I disagree with you, I believe Kong Duen-Yee was a great prophetess. The bible states in Malachi 4:5 "Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet Before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD." God sent John the Baptist. Likewise, He sent Kong Duen-Yee in 1963 and today, Elijah Hong.

The idea of children being made to fast for days at a time come from the first anonymous post. It is a false statement.

marilyn_m

08-25-2006, 10:59 PM

edenite, I mean to offend no one & if the statement about making children fast is untrue then I apologise.
You believe that Daniel 2:44 is speaking of a Kingdom made up of Hong's follower's ( is this correct?)

Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that "Daniel" is speaking of God Almighty's Kingdom that will consist of Jehovah's Witnesses & the Kingdoms that it will crush are the earthly governments of this world .
Who is right & who is wrong?

JW"S believe that they are God's people:Acts 15:14

Isaiah 43:10 "You are my witnesses," declares the LORD,
"and my servant whom I have chosen,
so that you may know and believe me
and understand that I am he.
Before me no god was formed,
nor will there be one after me.

That is why they took on the name of " Jehovah’s Witnesses"

But I would like to hear Andrew reply for himself
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sharon

08-28-2006, 08:25 AM

edenite... All I ask is do you eat the flesh of dead and tortured animals. Paradise is not a killing zone. I seen many things but not one who really follows the road to paradise. Many do some things and many do another. I know you do eat home grown veggies, but I do not hear words that tell me you eat no flesh. Just wondering.
Great call on the no sugar, nice step.
I am in my heart hoping that it is only that you have not written on this, and do not have animals killed for you. For then you would be a church that can call itself non violent. That would be a wonderful thing.
So far it is the Buddhists who win this honor.For their non violence goes to people and animals. May God Bless you always.
I have been seaching for a church for 25 years that is non violent, and loves the Lord.

sharon

08-28-2006, 08:31 AM

boysband

08-30-2006, 07:43 AM

actually, I do agree with what edenite said.
I seems logical.

boysband

08-30-2006, 07:47 AM

actually, I do agree with what edenite said.
I seems logical.

jehovah

08-31-2006, 03:34 PM

marilyn_m, Don't ever apologize, especially on this board.

While children are not physically forced to fast for days, they are clearly encouraged to fast, or else lose face with their parents and other members. It's bullsh-t to say that they're not "forced," since they give them extreme guilt trips - just like the factors in "HOW TO DETERMINE IF A GROUP IS A DESTRUCTIVE CULT."

edenite's just arguing word choice, since the church doesn't "force" people, but "encourages" them.

boysband, you gotta tell me. Which part of this sh-t seems logical?

Bible says: God creates world, gives up son for sins.

NTC says: Tricky China girl wants money, proclaims self as prophetess, tells people to give her money.

boysband

09-02-2006, 06:15 PM

"NTC says: Tricky China girl wants money, proclaims self as prophetess, tells people to give her money."

Is that true? Where did you quote that?
If NTC is looking for money, it cannot be the true church then, isn't it?

sharon

09-03-2006, 08:19 AM

In their eyes they can not be the real chruch and eat flesh, as they say they are returning to paradise, but paradise has no flesh eaters in it, so that can not be right. For how can one not see this, it is Paradise 101. You only have to read to see this. When they walk away from the killing then maybe they will be on the right road if they begin to love their fellow man as Jesus asked.

edenite

09-03-2006, 06:45 PM

sharon,

No one mentioned anything about "returning to paradise" here except you. It is a non-issue in this topic. NTC's love for God and man is without contreversy. After your 25 year search, perhaps you will find your "non-violent" church. However it will not bring you any closer to the kingdom of heaven. The kingdom of heaven has no come yet. The kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force. Afterward there will be no more violence. But until then, we must fight to enter God's kingdom like the apostle Paul said in 2nd Timothy Chapter 4: I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry. For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand. I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith: Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.

boysband

09-04-2006, 05:16 AM

Edenite,

Are u meaning that NTC is urging all his members to fight to to be able to enter God's kingdom?
If not, what do u mean by "violence"?

edenite

09-04-2006, 07:15 AM

Jesus said in Matthew 11:7-18 about how John the Baptist was the Elijah and yet people did not believe it. Nor did they care that the Messiah had come.

Matthew 11:7-18

7 As they departed, Jesus began to say to the multitudes concerning John: “What did you go out into the wilderness to see? A reed shaken by the wind? 8 But what did you go out to see? A man clothed in soft garments? Indeed, those who wear soft clothing are in kings’ houses. 9 But what did you go out to see? A prophet? Yes, I say to you, and more than a prophet. 10 For this is he of whom it is written:

‘ Behold, I send My messenger before Your face,
Who will prepare Your way before You.’

11 “Assuredly, I say to you, among those born of women there has not risen one greater than John the Baptist; but he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. 12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and the violent take it by force. 13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. 14 And if you are willing to receive it, he is Elijah who is to come. 15 He who has ears to hear, let him hear!
16 “But to what shall I liken this generation? It is like children sitting in the marketplaces and calling to their companions, 17 and saying:

‘ We played the flute for you,
And you did not dance;
We mourned to you,
And you did not lament.’

18 For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, ‘He has a demon.’ 19 The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, ‘Look, a glutton and a winebibber, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!’ But wisdom is justified by her children.”

Satan will use all ways and means to keep people from God. One cannot think that entering God's kingdom is just a simple easy matter. It is very difficult. One must fight all the tricks and whiles of Satan. You have to violently destroy all the works of Satan. For example: Jesus destroyed death by dying on the cross. He actually died! and because of that, death itself was destroyed for all whom believe. But it wasn't easy. He had to take this by force and through violent force. Thank God today we only need to believe and we can take part in his reward. Believers will receive everlasting life. But Satan will still try to stop you from entering Gods kingdom even today. So you personally need to violently destroy all the works of Satan. How is this done? Through prayer and holding fast to the truth. By relying on God's grace. One must FIGHT SPIRITUAL BATTLES to overcome Satan's attacks. Jesus fought physical battles and destroyed death. Today we imitate Christ and fight spiritual battles to enter Gods kingdom.

Jesus also said in Matthew 7:21-23 this: 21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

The ones Jesus was speaking about here really loved the Lord AND they even had power to cast out demons in His Name! yet ye said he never new them. Isn't it sad? All this time they thought they could enter Gods kingdom but they cannot. Why? Because they did not do the will of His Father in heaven.

This means they must not have known His Fathers will otherwise they surely would have done it right? Perhaps. These people who did not do the will of God, knew the Lord. But they must not know the prophet of that era. They can only know the will of God from a prophet or apostle.

cont...

edenite

09-04-2006, 07:20 AM

The apostle Paul said in Ephesians 3:2-5 That the mystery of Christ is only revealed to apostles and prophets. Not to the sons of men:

Ephesians 3:2-5 2 if indeed you have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which was given to me for you, 3 how that by revelation He made known to me the mystery (as I have briefly written already, 4 by which, when you read, you may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ), 5 which in other ages was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to His holy apostles and prophets:

Therefore I ask you; Do you know the will of the Father in heaven? Do you know the Elijah of today? If the answer is: No., then chances are you will not enter Gods kingdom. However, you have heard this yet Satan is already hard at work to place doubt in your heart. FIGHT IT!. Take the kingdom of heaven by force! Cast out these evil demons in the Lord's name and quickly return to the New Testament Church!

sharon

09-06-2006, 09:53 AM

Jesus told you the will of the Father, we are to love one another,and our Father, no exceptions. Jesus said all the laws and the prophets hang on this commandment. If you make exceptions to this law..... well you know!

sharon

09-06-2006, 10:59 AM

THIS IS ON THIS BOARD....but instead, they grow 100% organic plants according to the 1st law of God's creation.God blessed them so much so that they even providing ppl around with organic food. Food in the market nowaday, full with insecticide, pesticide, weedicide, chemical furtilizer and genetically modification. all these thing will destroy human health, all those things are not in the law of God, God never created those things for men to eat. Those things are the product of human degeneration under the yoke of Satan.

God first creation is the Garden of Eden or Paradise, and I am not the only one to mention it, as you can see. I only mention the meat thing because if this is the plan that is put forth then one must go all the way and not only do what is easy. Or easy to sell. If you are overcoming this world then give up the death you place within your body. Killing is not in Eden.

You do not see that the Lord does not just say grow veggies, he says that they will be your meat. What do you think he meant when he said in Paradise the lion will lay down with the lamb. NO KILLING. It is at the beginning and the end. Yet you only see one line of this.

What is in your heart? To the least of these? It is easy to grow veggies, but what if you try and stop them from eating flesh? Pure vessels can not be full of the dead and tortured. Slain because it pleases you, but slain by another for you do not want to see the victim of your earthly needs.
God already told you how he feels, but you do not hear, any better than they did at the door of the Ark. Remember the Do as Thou will belongs to the Satanists! You worry so much about him, yet billions of animals cry out to their Father every day and tell of you. When Jesus comes back to ALL of creation what will creation say about you, will you have the remains of a the dead within you? Will he know you then.?
You may think I am saying these things because I feel this way, I am not. God took meat from me, I did not give it up. But now I understand and am telling you so you also can understand. I was already walking away from the things of this world, but I did not even think of meat, and I deeply regret that now. I understand why they fought Paul so hard, and did not trust or believe in him. They also understood. But in defense of Paul, I only came to the clarity of meat when it was taken from me after 25 years of being born again.
I hope you find this path to be the one you wish to take, for you will find that your health will improve. The curse of the flesh will be lifted. Colon cancer, ugly stuff. It is funny because Doctors who eat flesh find nothing wrong with it, but specialist who have to look at the results say stay away from meat and diary. I do not ask you to believe me, go and look for yourself. That is what I did.
You may be surprised to find out that milk is the number one cause of ear infections in children, that alone is one of the most evil things I know of, painful and inflicted upon our children. Yet there are the ads, drink more milk, it is also the number one cause of allergies. This curse is effecting most every family. Meat is worse. And do not take this personal, I would and do say this to Christian and Non Christian alike. But you are on a mission and that mission will not be finished while you are a burial ground for the dead flesh of those who were innocent. And I want you strong and healthy to fight this battle. And the battles to come. And it would be great if you were not battling cancer at the same time, for satan loves to see us fighting on two fronts. May you have ears to hear.
Oh and none of his has anything to do with his love for us, but it has a lot to do with our love for him.

edenite

09-07-2006, 09:15 AM

sharon,

I realize that it is an offense to you that some eat meat. You consider this violence and you believe this has no place in paradise or the Garden of Eden. But what does all this have to do with entering God's Kingdom? Why did I say that finding a "non violent church" will not bring you closer to God's Kingdom? Just because a church claims to be "non violent" and they don't kill animals or eat any meat like you hope to find, doesn't mean that it is a true church or even that they will be remembered by God. It may be, but it is not a way one judges that question.

The Apostle Paul said in Romans 14: 1 Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things. 2 For one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables. 3 Let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let not him who does not eat judge him who eats; for God has received him. 4 Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.
5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks. 7 For none of us lives to himself, and no one dies to himself. 8 For if we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s. 9 For to this end Christ died and rose and lived again, that He might be Lord of both the dead and the living. 10 But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. 11 For it is written:

“ As I live, says the LORD,
Every knee shall bow to Me,
And every tongue shall confess to God.”

12 So then each of us shall give account of himself to God. 13 Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather resolve this, not to put a stumbling block or a cause to fall in our brother’s way.

14 I know and am convinced by the Lord Jesus that there is nothing unclean of itself; but to him who considers anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean. 15 Yet if your brother is grieved because of your food, you are no longer walking in love. Do not destroy with your food the one for whom Christ died. 16 Therefore do not let your good be spoken of as evil; 17 for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. 18 For he who serves Christ in these things is acceptable to God and approved by men.
19 Therefore let us pursue the things which make for peace and the things by which one may edify another. 20 Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All things indeed are pure, but it is evil for the man who eats with offense. 21 It is good neither to eat meat nor drink wine nor do anything by which your brother stumbles or is offended or is made weak. 22 Do you have faith? Have it to yourself before God. Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves. 23 But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because he does not eat from faith; for whatever is not from faith is sin.

Therefore I believe you should stop requiring this of others and require it only of yourself. You should accept others even if they eat meat. It is this acceptance that brings salvation not the abstinence of meat. Your recommendation demonstrates how much you love your fellow man, not you condemnation.

boysband

09-09-2006, 06:06 AM

edenite,

can you write to my private email achats@mail.pf
i have some question to ask you.

sharon

09-11-2006, 09:51 AM

I do not mind if you eat meat, I have said so. You did not read what I wrote. I do not care if those who do not claim to follow Gods first law eat meat. I only care that this church makes money claiming to follow Gods first law when they do not follow it at ALL. You ask what this has to do with the Kingdom of Heaven, do you not know ! You can not say I am following Gods first law, and then not do so. But I think you know this and do not want to look there. Then you say Paul said this and that. It is not what Paul says it is what you say. Do you follow Gods first law?. Not Paul for he never followed Gods first law, and he did not make money saying he did so. It is not about Paul or any of the others. It is about one church saying{ this is our Fathers first law,} Paradise, and a return to Paradise. You do realize just like the first paradise the return to Paradise is also Gods peace. For his idea of Paradise is the lion laying down with the lamb, and no one is eating them. It is bold beyond belief that anyone would make such a claim and then not follow through. I know you do not understand. But think of this, you know what Gods first law was, and you know what it says on the first page of the bible, and God knows that YOU know this, yet you pretend it is not so. Gods love is not kept from those who eat flesh, for they pay that price here. I do not worry for them as they do not claim to follow Gods First Law.
If you tell me your Church does not follow the first law of paradise then I will say it does not matter if you eat flesh. You will still get sick from it, and have health problems but it will not be a deception. It is evil to make money by claiming a lie, one that is easy to see.
The church that I look for has no walls, nor pews. But they do follow Gods first law . My problem is not with the meat it is with the lie that denys my Fathers first law is a law of love. All of Creations sees his return.