Ccg vs factnet

[calv (calv)]

this site is about what happened and other options we have taken as we RECOVER and move on in our spiritual journey.

ccg is in my opinion, a group of good friends, who choose to stay the course they were on at chapel.

Its not about who is right and who is wrong.
Its about who we are and what we are doing....

between the two boards it really exposes where we are at. It serves as a gauge to those who wish to see or want to find where they are at compared to thier peers at cc.

[steveb (steveb)]

<font color="0000ff">"Its not about who is right and who is wrong.
Its about who we are and what we are doing...."</font>

Hey Calv,

What's wrong with going for the whole nine yards?

Why be afraid to say it IS about who's right and who's wrong?

What could be more evident about the way the Chapel ended than that it was the same as a sign being hung over the whole mess that said, "Here is group of people that was definitely W.R.O.N.G. about everything"? They had a controlling, insecure, legalistic little man of a pastor who regularly disfellowshipped members for deviating from his own version of Christianity. They had hundreds of divorces, including that of the pastor and most of the elders. They had a couple of suicides, even the murder of a child. They had a pastor who made his wife go to strip joints with him, and who for 12 years had covered up his own arrest in Las Vegas for indedecent exposure. And they had an anti-Trinitarian theology created by that deviant, delusional little pastor all by himself that no other church in the world shared.

The creator of the Chapel's theology is clinically narcissistic (http://www.anandainfo.com/dsm.html) and paranoid (http://www.darvsmith.com/dox/personalitydisorders.html). He has a very rigid view of himself that brooks no opposition, seeing even the smallest disagreement as persecution motivated by demonic forces. He has little if any real empathy for other people. He has created a unique theology that reflects that personality and outlook. He has created a personal religion that is, to a significant degree, defined in terms of opposition to what the majority believes, to what he perceives to be the product of an officially established but false and oppressive orthodoxy - historic Christianity. He views himself, almost alone in the world, as the only one who is successfully defying that oppressive orthodoxy.

That's where Chapel theology comes from. Defending that view and the strange church it produced is definitely wrong, in my opinion.

[Edited to correct the spelling of "narcissistic" and to add links to its definition, as well as to that of "paranoid."]

(Message edited by steveb on February 12, 2006)

[steveb (steveb)]

[...continued from the previous posting]

So I myself am to the point of thinking there is something definitely wrong with people (not only are they wrong about the faith, but there's something wrong with them that makes them hold stubbornly to their wrongness) who have seen all of that and still think God could have been in any of it. I know I myself have felt a lot more stable and at peace since admitting to myself that the whole thing was just a tragic mistake - or rather, a wrong turn taken in willing self-deception. I've not only admitted the mistake, I've repented of that sin.

The Christian life is a serious business. It is possible to get deceived about what the true doctrine of Christ is and end up being outside of Christ - spiritually lost for eternity - all the while thinking you are in the doctrine of Christ. The Bible says so. That's why these things are so important.

I've always said I like being on FACTNet because of its stated goals, especially the one that says it is vitally important, after recognizing you've gotten off on a wrong path, to find the right path in your spiritual journey. That is so true.

So I guess I'm saying that I agree with you that it is about "who we are and what we are doing," but I take it a step further and say the reason it's about that is because some of us are right and some of us are wrong, and some of us are just somewhere in between still trying to find the way.

[calv (calv)]

Steve

When ya throw dirt you lose ground!
Just because some are bullies.... thier actions speak louder than thier words.
I dont want to stay stuck in that same old cycle... I didnt like it 20 yrs ago I don't like it now.
At some point I hope they see that they are just full of themselfs.
Nothing is gained by the samethings day after day week after week.
Their is so much more that has happened since cc...
Id rather hear about those that have moved on not what its like for those who are still in the camps.
Things just get lost and off track on ccg and it just seems to be a clicque that likes to bully the way db did.
I like a focused board.... not the daly chit chat won't you be my buddy Ive got nothing better to do and I could have sent this in an e-mail stuff.
chapel
been there done that... now what?
lots of stories that need to be heard about that.
ccg is a gathering of Chapel friends.
fact net is a recovery group for those abused at cc.
some peple still don't know they are victims... thats why they act the way they do.
Chapel fell apart but nothing has ever been resolved.
This is just a beggining.
God is for everyone not just a few!

move to the right avoid the wrong the futher the two move apart the more obvious they will be.

[steveb (steveb)]

Calv,

Interesting posting. I agree for the most part. However, I myself would also like a place to discuss doctrine. I like doctrine, I think the Bible clearly says it's important, and so that's why it's important to me. I think that in reality it's important to everybody, but that many are not very self-aware about the doctrine they in fact hold and how it affects their faith. Or rather, they are just plain unaware that doctrine DOES directly affect one's faith and instead may actually believe that too much of an interest in doctrine detracts from one's faith. They have vague and confused ideas about doctrine and as a result get easily misled into debacles like the Chapel. That's part of the reason recovery becomes necessary and so, in my opinion, a look at how doctrine was involved in a spiritual crash like the Chapel's is a part of the process.

[calv (calv)]

ccg

its really Daves board!
Quite a important position
requires lots of support
if you dont fall in line with the crowd
youll just fade away.... just like chapel

whats the use... been there done that!

[calv (calv)]

rotton christian rock music!!!!
I wonder how many souls got saved becase of it?

of course the chapel way is so very narrow
its like you have to be one of thee "elect"
no room for compromise
its all or nothing

if you dont belive in oneness
you cant know God
its sooo obvious how much better they are
than anyone else