Information about Catholicism

[2thess2_15 (2thess2_15)]

Hello, and a joyous Christmas season to you! I am new to this forum and I noticed a lot of misinformation about the Catholic Church. I just wanted to let you know there is a website that has a lot of tracts about Catholicism
that you may find interesting.

http://www.catholic.com/library/Pillar.asp

"Why did God make you?" The answer: "God made me to know him, to love him, and to serve him in this world and to be happy with him forever in the next." Here, in just 26 words, is the whole reason for our existence. Jesus answered the question even more briefly: "I came so that [you] might have life and have it more abundantly" (John 10:10).

God’s plan for you is simple. Your loving Father wants to give you all good things—especially eternal life. Jesus died on the cross to save us all from sin and the eternal separation from God that sin causes (CCC 599–623). When he saves us, he makes us part of his Body, which is the Church (1 Cor. 12:27–30).

[bigboy (bigboy)]

Really, I thought that the church was considered to be the redeemed of God and not a literal church building or organization. I noticed that you quoted the scriptures concerning eternal life, but do not catholics believe in Mary the mother of Christ as the advocate to our saviour?

[egk (egk)]

Hi,

Bigboy, I suggest that you explore the link 2thess2_15 provided. Your questions can be answered there. (Catholics and some other Christian do believe that the saints in heaven can intercede for people here on the earth just as people here on earth can intercede for us. I do not have time to carry on a long discussion about this now.)

EGK

[yahshua (yahshua)]

Rev. 2:15 Thus you also have those who hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate.
Rev. 18:1 After these things I saw another angel coming down from heaven, having great authority, and the earth was illuminated with his glory.
Rev. 18:2 And he cried mightily with a loud voice, saying, “Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and has become a dwelling place of demons, a prison for every foul spirit, and a cage for every unclean and hated bird!
Rev. 18:3 For all the nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth have become rich through the abundance of her luxury.”
Rev. 18:4 ¶ And I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues.
Rev. 18:5 For her sins have reached to heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities.
Rev. 18:6 Render to her just as she rendered to you, and repay her double according to her works; in the cup which she has mixed, mix double for her.
Rev. 18:7 In the measure that she glorified herself and lived luxuriously, in the same measure give her torment and sorrow; for she says in her heart, “I sit as queen, and am no widow, and will not see sorrow.’

My People left their first love, and became a Harlot, giving themselves over to other spirits, while still pretending to be Mine; they conquered the People, setting up clergy to rule over and oppress the people. They are not my People. My People are those who love as I love, and are hated by all men for my names sake; yet count it all joy that they are found worthy to suffer shame for the sake of my Name.

They live in love and unity, as I commanded them; they have one heart and one way. Those who truly want to enter through the gates into my Holy City, can find a path to the gates at www.TheLitmusTest.org (http://www.TheLitmusTest.org)

[doug (doug)]

RE: "YAHSHUA"
This is a teaching from the communities Apostle "Yoneq", otherwise known as Eugene Elbert Spriggs, that "YAHSHUA" (and David Alaxander in other places) in his above post is prosletising for.


For more info see "Twelve Tribes" on this web site.

<font color="ff0000">Execution of Justice
(Letter from Elbert concerning discipline and the seed of Abraham)
The reason Isaac was so willing to let his father sacrifice him was because he had
been raised his whole life knowing that he did not belong to himself, but belonged to his
father, and he was not living for himself, but living for his father. Hephzibah is coming to
understand that she is living for her father and belongs to him. The other day she was
having great difficulty being obedient to his command: not to suck her thumb in bed.
Elbert asked her to stick out her thumb because he was going to cut it off. He took a
huge pair of scissors and came toward her. She was terrified, but (after receiving her
discipline) she willingly stuck out her thumb to be cut off rather than let it cause her to
stumble in her obedience to her father. Elbert didn’t actually cut it off, but he wants
Hephzibah to understand that it is better to have your hand cut off now rather than later.
He wants her to be saved.
It is absolutely necessary to raise our children to know that they do not belong to
themselves, but to their father. How else can they believe that they don’t belong to
themselves except by training them as our Heavenly Father trains us to believe this. We
only “regain our true life” if we lose our false and criminal life. Whoever wants to save
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his life will lose it, and whoever loses it for My sake shall find it. Abraham received back
the promise only after he had killed his only son the only son who could bring about the
promise. Abraham had faith to surrender his only heir. Abraham was tested. He endured
under trial to see whether he would obey (Heb 11:17-19; Gen 22:1; Jms 1:12). Abraham
obeyed by faith for he heard God say, “Abraham, take your son, your only son Isaac,
whom you love, and go sacrifice him.”
The error of “the local church” and many churches is in allowing doctrine to
substitute for obedience. We can do as they say, but not as they do, for they do not truly
discern the Body of Messiah though they have much wonderful doctrine. Without seeing
Gen 18:19, the Body of Messiah doesn’t make sense.</font>
Note: Elbert is not the little girls father but is the apostle of the community. I don't see a close resemblance to his lying to a little girl and teaching the faith that Abraham had in Isaac.

David responded on Dec 21
<font color="0000ff">I don't know anything about the above...but I DO KNOW that the truth that sets men free can be found at www.TheLitmusTest.org (http://www.TheLitmusTest.org)
It is for Christians Only. Truth will always be attacked. Those who are wise will not be put off by such things. The fact is, anyone who wants to see the fruit of our lives can visit us at anytime; and see that our children are some of the most wonderful on the whole earth. As the Word says, "wisdom is justified by her children". Sincerely, david</font>

My reply Dec 22
David
<font color="0000ff">I don't know anything about the above…</font>
Are you saying you don't know if Spriggs taught that and if it is one of the communities teachings or you don't know if there is anything wrong with what was alleged in the teaching CD that Jacob took from the community?


"Yahshua"
Was your apostle speaking from the holy spirit when he threatened with a large pair of scissors to cut off the terrified little girls thumb and did lying to her to scare her teach her the faith of Isaac with Abraham? Is that why Isaac trusted his father? Because someone terrified him with a lie?

[mercy4 (mercy4)]

Here's Dave Armstrong's website on Biblical evidence for Catholicism at
http://www.biblicalcatholic.com

[living_magisterium (living_magisterium)]

Mercy 4, nice post. I have not seen that before.

yahshua - why are you posting these verses from Revelation? You are confusing me.

[ex_yathed (ex_yathed)]

Posted on Wednesday, January 19, 2005 - 12:16 pm:

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I just saw on another page of the Religious Cults and Sects page that David Alexander(aka Daveed Derush) is evangelizing (recruiting) all over this web site with links to their newest "Free Papers"(Litmus Test). Its from a computer in Georgia so he is either at their Savannah or Brunswick community.

So, if you dont know, the Twelve Tribes are considered a high control destructive fundamentalist group (cult) by countless professionals and Cult experts.
You can check out there threads under Religious Cults and sects: Twelve Tribes,Community of Believers, Northeast Kingdom etc.

[ex_yathed (ex_yathed)]

As you can see, David Derush has taken my warnings to all the boards as a chance to recruit for his cult which claims they are the Only Ones and the Only Way and if your not with them, your going to the Lake of Fire for eternity or to the first death to pay for your own sins if you can. They are just like the rest of the cults on the factnet boards.
To see both sides of the story go to
http://www.twelvetribes-ex.org/

or if you wish, you can contact me personally at exyathed@yahoo.com

[doug (doug)]

What I shared, David, is not slander and not falsely accusing you of evil but is the teaching of your apostle

I'll repeat my question to your denial of knowing about the teaching "Execution of Justice" (above post in red) from Sprigs AKA Yoneq your apostle.
Are you saying you don't know if Sprigs taught that and if it is one of the communities teachings or you don't know if there is anything wrong with what was alleged in the teaching CD that Jacob took from the community?

Your community claims to be the Twelve Tribes of Israel. If you are that makes your apostle much greater than any of the 12 each representing one tribe and puts him on par with Moses and Jesus/Yahshua.