Abounding Grace School For Boys

[mitchells_mom (mitchells_mom)]

I will only be posting to Factnet one more time after this entry. At that time, I will give everyone the location of a new website that I am starting for Stan and Leigh. I am creating this website at the request of one of their lawyers, Rev. Dr. George Gatgounis, who is a graduate of Harvard Law School, Dallas Theological Seminary and Bob Jones University. I will be transferring all of my postings to that website along with the continuation that I promised on my last entry.

It appears to me that Factnet is only being read by a select number of people. Many of you are just speculating, reiterating, stretching the truth, making up “facts” to suit your own agenda, and plain old outright LYING!!!!! My time is valuable and I need to redirect my energy to a more positive and constructive undertaking for Stan and Leigh.

I arrived at Stan and Leigh’s house on Sunday, July 31st, so that I could attend their arraignment on August 1. I attended church Sunday evening with them and what a blessing that service had for all of us. That night, at bedtime prayer, Stan prayed for everyone involved. He prayed for the boys and their parents who are making these accusations. He prayed for all of us who were there to support him. I appreciated that because I know how very hard it is to pray for your accusers.

On Monday morning, before leaving for court, Dr. Gatgounis, led us all in prayer – it was a very moving prayer asking for all of us to have compassion, love and understanding for the boys who are accusing Stan and Leigh. When we arrived at the courthouse, we learned that the arraignment had been postponed until Oct 3rd. We returned home and spent the day together. I had a chance to talk to several of the boys and their parents who had come for support. It is sad that many of them want to return – it is easier to live in a structured environment than in the lifestyle that the world offers. I am sure that some of the boys would rather live back in the world. After all, THEY are in charge of their own lives, just as they were before coming to the school. HOW SAD!!!!! With continued guidance, I am sure that they would have had a much better chance in the future.

If these parents love their children and are concerned that they have been traumatized, then they should spare their children the trauma of being absolutely torn to pieces on the witness stand. These charges should be dropped because these boys will be exposed as liars on the witness stand. How sad and distressing this is going to be for everyone involved. The biggest factor in this case is CREDIBILITY. Enough damage has been done to the Mitchells – you have gotten more than your pound of flesh.
Some of you have even stated that they are rich. God help you. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MUCH IT HAS COST TO PROVIDE FOR YOUR CHILDREN? THEY NOT ONLY HAD YOUR ONE SON, THEY HAD ANYWHERE FROM EIGHT TO TWELVE CHILDREN AT A TIME! Your monetary charges were a drop in the bucket. Private school charges are much higher and they only have the children for 5 days a week and only during regular school hours. God always provided just enough money to keep the school operating. THANKS BE TO GOD!!!

Matthew 5:38-48
Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth. But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other cheek also. And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also. And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain. Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away. Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbor, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and PRAY for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you.
That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans so? Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

[justice_seeker (justice_seeker)]

MITCHELLS MOM,

AS FOR YOUR COMMENT: It appears to me that Factnet is only being read by a select number of people. Many of you are just speculating, reiterating, stretching the truth, making up “facts” to suit your own agenda, and plain old outright LYING!!!!!

MY SON AND I HAVE TOLD THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH!!!!!

DID YOU LIVE WITH THE CHILDREN 24/7?

THE MITCHELL’S DID NOT OFFER GUIDANCE TO MY SON, THEY ABUSED HIM.

AS FOR YOUR COMMENT: If these parents love their children and are concerned that they have been traumatized, then they should spare their children the trauma of being absolutely torn to pieces on the witness stand. These charges should be dropped because these boys will be exposed as liars on the witness stand. How sad and distressing this is going to be for everyone involved. The biggest factor in this case is CREDIBILITY. Enough damage has been done to the Mitchells – you have gotten more than your pound of flesh.

THE ONLY ONES THAT WILL BE EXPOSED, AS LIARS ARE THE MITCHELL’S. WHAT ARE YOU AFRAID OF? THAT ALL THE MITCHELL’S HORRIBLE SECRETS OF THE ABUSE WILL BE EXPOSED!!!!!!!! THESE CHARGES WILL NOT BE DROPPED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HEAR ME LOUD AND CLEAR, SINCE YOU REFUSE TO LISTEN>>>I WILL TAKE THIS TO THE EXTREMES>>>I WILL NOT ALLOW THE MITCHELL’S TO EVER ABUSE CHILDREN AGAIN>>>IF, I HAVE TO SPEND EVERY DIME I HAVE, GO TO EVERY GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL, NEWS MEDIA, HAVE LAWS CHANGED. THE MITCHELL’S WILL BE EXPOSED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!
DO YOU REALLY HONESTLY THINK THAT ENOUGH DAMAGE HAS BEEN DONE TO THE MITCHELL’S? ARE YOU KIDDING? THIS IS ONLY THE BEGINNING. WHAT ABOUT THE DAMAGE THAT HAS BEEN DONE TO OUR BOYS?

WHEN THE MITCHELL’S LIE AND DENY THE ABUSE, ALL IT DOES IS ADD FUEL TO THIS FIRE. MORE THAN EVER I AM DRIVEN TO PROVE JUST HOW QUILTY THE MITCHELLS ARE.

AS FOR YOUR COMMENT: Some of you have even stated that they are rich. God help you. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MUCH IT HAS COST TO PROVIDE FOR YOUR CHILDREN? THEY NOT ONLY HAD YOUR ONE SON, THEY HAD ANYWHERE FROM EIGHT TO TWELVE CHILDREN AT A TIME! Your monetary charges were a drop in the bucket. Private school charges are much higher and they only have the children for 5 days a week and only during regular school hours. God always provided just enough money to keep the school operating. THANKS BE TO GOD!!!

YOU KNOW VERY WELL THAT THE MITCHELLS’ RECEIVED A LOT MORE THAN THE MONTHLY DUES WE PAID THEM. THIS WILL ALL COME OUT IN COURT. DID YOU SEEM TO FORGET THAT YOU CANNOT HIDE BEHIND FACTS?

SINCE, YOU BELIEVE IN THE MITCHELL’S SO MUCH AND YOU STATE THEY ARE NOT QUILTY THAN PROVE IT>>> HAVE THEM TAKE A POLYGRAPH TEST>>>COME ON WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO LOOSE, BESIDES YOU STATE THEY ARE INNOCENT?

[justice_seeker (justice_seeker)]

Try to be objective,

I will not answer any of your questions pertaining to details of the case. Just know there are explanations. If, you are interested in knowing the truth,than be at court and hear it for yourself.

[try_to_be_objective (try_to_be_objective)]

justice_seeker and all others pertaining to this message board,
Let me try to be more clear on where I stand when discussing on this message board. Not a personal stance but an objective one. I never staked any claims to be on one side or the other, so please do not feel the need to become defensive. I would not want to traumatize anyone here. The position I seek here is to bring out the questions that will be asked in court. Most positive of it. After all this is not suppose to be as it were in the 1700's. all people with flamed torches seeking out a person to burn. I am sure you do not want to seem like you are those crazy people who took women, tied them up with chains and a heavy stone. Then threw the women in a pond and said, "If she sinks and does not come back up then she is innocent of witch craft, but if she comes back up then she is surely guilty!" Please do not think I am trying to be offensive towards you. You do know that the court case will have to see both sides of the situation in all fairness. The questions I ask will most likely be in this case and will have a jury looking at all perspectives.
How many people here knows what is going on with their children 24/7? I have children, yet since I do not have video surveillance,then I know for sure I did not know of everything my children have done; considering I do have to sleep sometimes. Was anyone with the boys 24/7? If yes, who? Few more questions.
Why not have both sides get polygragh tests?
That is if in this case; they are permissible.
That would seem fair for both parties. Well, unless one party is not telling the whole truth.
I do have problems understanding the "200 licks" that a boy received from the accused. Those licks either were very gentle and used as the Chinese torture method the Chinese used with water or someone seems to be exaggerating. It would only take a few good licks on my bottom; when I was young, to make me want to pass out or stop counting. How in the world did the boy count up that many licks. I guess the boy had a witness to stand there and count the licks just in case they wanted to go to charge the accused. Please see how this may be seen by a jury.
I know you would not want to give all the details of a case but it does not seem fair to have one sides story splattered all over the news and this message board about their personal life. Does that really seem justly to any of you?
Does anyone truly understand that if these people are innocent that even so, their lives still have been turned inside out and upside down forever? It would be almost impossible to change that.
Thank you

[true2god (true2god)]

to all of stan's supporters,
I don't care what you may think what you know.
I know what I seen with my own 2 eyes and what my son told me to be true.and I know what stan and leigh done to my son infront of me but like I have said before it's been done and now it is time to face the facts of what they did.


I did pay for my son to be in the school but I also made surer my son had what he needed.I am the one who brought his clothes and shoes.I paid for his books and his cost of schooling.I loved my son and I always will although he is no longer with me.
you people do not know who my child real was you only know what people have told you.I know for a fact my son was a loving, compassionate person.I know how much my son cared for others and would do anything for others.I got to see first hand what GOD done in my sons life and for stan to go and say that he was back in the world when he died was wrong.I seen Timothy have victory over several areas of his life and it was only the doing of GOD.
I can and will say this Stan mainly mental abused my son and in my eyes that is just as bad as any other abuse.
You all may think as these boys parents we want something from stan you are so wrong all I want is for them never be able to hurt another child as long as they live and for them to ask us for forgiveness which I feel in my heart they will never ask us to forgive them,but you know what that is ok with me cause I know what happened and so does my heavenly father so one day they will have to answer to him for it.
I will keep seeking GOD face on this matter.I do know that I sever a loving GOD that does care what happens to our teens of this world cause they are the next generation of this world and satan will do what ever he can to take them out .
I feel like if we all are the christians we claim to be we would come together in unity and keep them covered in prayer.

the promise of the spirit
joel 2:28-29
And it shall come to past afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,your old men shall dream dreams,your young men shall see visions:
And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.

It's nothing more that blesses my heart than to see how GOD is pouring out his spirit on the youth of today and given them the desirer to go after him and not the things of this world.

Heavenly father I come before you today and ask that you will teach us how to come together in unity and help us to keep the youth of this world covered in prayer.Help us as parents to keep them focused on you and not the things of the world.Father it is all kinds of things in the world that the youth can get there eyes and off of you father I just ask that you would put a deep desirer in there hearts to look to you for everything in there lifes.Father I ask that you would keep a hedge of protection around them at all times.Father I ask that the youth will be filled with your spirit so much that when they walk by people that they will see you in the youth and that the world will want what the youth have in you.Father I ask that you would give them the abilty to conquer this world. your word tells us that we are more than conquerors in all things through him that loved us and father I know you love us.father I ask this in your holy name JESUS CHRIST amen

[fact_seeker (fact_seeker)]

ONLY STAN MITCHELL WOULD THREATEN TO USE THESE BOYS PAST AGAINST THEM IN EXCHANGE FOR CHARGES TO BE DROPPED.

IT IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE THREATS I RECEIVED 22 YEARS AGO.

AS LONG AS HE GETS WHAT HE WANTS IN THE END, IT DOESN'T MATTER TO HIM WHAT MEANS HE HAS TO USE TO GET WHAT HE WANTS.

[fact_seeker (fact_seeker)]

While researching corporal punishment I ran across a website I found interesting.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/spankin5.htm#nz

About spanking:
Since 1995 when this website was founded, spanking has become a high-profile controversy in North America.

Religious conservatives have become the main supporters of corporal punishment of children, probably because of their belief in the inerrancy of the Bible, and the frequent mentioning of spanking as a method of disciplining children in the book of Proverbs. Many feel that abandoning child discipline through spanking will lead to increased lawlessness and violence in society as those children reach adulthood.

Most child psychologists, religious liberals, secularists, and others now oppose spanking.
The trend in North American society seems to be to abandon spanking in favor of other methods of child discipline.

The use of the word "spanking" to refer to the discipline of children appears to be largely a North American term. In Britain, it is generally called "smacking."

The Department of Health and Human Services and the New England Journal of Medicine estimate that 1,000 to 2,000 children die every year in the U.S. from corporal punishment that has escalated to a lethal level. They estimate that 142,000 are seriously injured annually. 1



Our opinions:
We feel that corporal punishment of children is one of the most important, current, religiously-based, social conflicts.

In the past, studies into spanking have been inconclusive. Those researchers who initially opposed spanking found that it was dangerous and ineffective. Those who initially supported spanking found that it was safe and effective. This is fairly common in such studies: the researchers' original opinions tend to be confirmed by the data that they collect.

However, recent, longitudinal and objective studies seem to show that even moderate spanking can have devastating results for a minority of children -- particularly males -- when they reach adulthood.

We suspect that when the results of some large, long-term behavioral studies become generally known, that many parents will discontinue spanking their children.

The stakes are extremely high: If corporal punishment advocates are correct, then the abandonment of spanking will significantly increase violence and criminal activity by the next generation of adults.

If corporal punishment opponents are correct, then the abandonment of spanking will greatly decrease adult violence, mental illness, addiction, and criminal activity.

Studies of mass murderers, "ordinary" murderers, rapists etc. generally show that they were victims as children of seriously abusive punishment during childhood. A preliminary study of 26 inmates on death row of a US prison found that all had been so seriously abused as children that they had probably suffered brain injuries. If serious abuse causes such extreme anti-social behavior, one might speculate that milder forms of childhood punishment might also negatively affect the children later in life.

A number of researchers have attempted to link spanking with problems in the "spankees'" later behavior -- either during childhood, or adulthood. Some seem to have found links between "corporal punishment and lower IQs, teenage delinquency, adult criminality, marital conflict and spousal abuse." 15 Other research papers found no such relationships. As in many studies of this type, objectivity is often diminished; the results frequently confirm the researchers original beliefs.

Some studies contain weaknesses:

Some include subjects who have been physically and/or sexually abused. Abuse victims will generally show a much higher level of psychiatric, behavioral and addiction problems in adulthood. By mixing these victims with others who have only been spanked, the results may be skewed.

None of the studies that we have examined prove a cause-and-effect link between spanking and later problems. A "chicken and egg" situation may exist: A pattern of harsh parental discipline might be the root causative factor of problems which emerge later, in adulthood.

The propensity for later adult problems might have been present during early childhood. This might have made the subjects more prone to behavioral problems as children. This, in turn, may have driven their parents to try spanking as a means of control.


In our opinion, motivating parents to change from corporal punishment to alternative methods of discipline would make a massive contribution to the mental health of the next generation.



Overview:
On the Amazon.com website, Christopher D. Dugan reviewed the book by Murray A. Straus and Denise A. Donnelly called "Beating the Devil Out of Them: Corporal Punishment in American Families and Its Effect on Children." 5 He gave an excellent summary of recent studies into the effect of spanking on children, both at the time and later in adulthood. He wrote, in part:

"...in the longer run, spanking has no measurable beneficial effects at all, and is associated with a variety of long term negative effects. The more children are spanked, the more they assault siblings and other children. The more children are spanked, the more their rates of age-adjusted antisocial behavior increase over time. Spanking in childhood is associated with higher levels of alcoholism, depression, masochistic fantasy, and suicidal ideation later in life."

"As more family violence data accumulates, more evidence accumulates in support of Straus's view of normative forms of violence 'spilling over' into criminal forms. Parents who spank their children are significantly more likely to also physically abuse them than parents who don't. Parents who spank their children are more likely to physically abuse each other. And physically abused children are even more likely to grow up to commit crimes against non-family members than spanked children, who are in turn more likely to do so than non-spanked children."

"The mounting tide of research on spanking resembles the growth of research on the harmful effects of cigarette smoking. In both cases, no single study settled the issue. Every study had its weaknesses and its strengths. But when all of the available studies are viewed as a whole, a grim picture emerges: of a widespread, culturally ingrained habit which causes grave harm, bit by bit, by subtle increments."

"The parallels between smoking and spanking extend beyond the similarity of research study designs. Both are addictive practices justified by their practitioners in similar ways. 'I've smoked for fifty years and I feel great!' 'I was spanked and it never did ME any harm!' Bit by bit, the mounting evidence linking smoking with cancer eroded much of the cultural denial. Straus's book is at once a recognition of a similar trend towards popular identification of spanking as a harmful, injurious act, and an influence furthering that trend."



1985: Study of teenage corporal punishment and adult depression:

M.A. Straus of the Family Research Laboratory of the University of New Hampshire analyzed data from a 1985 National Family Violence Survey. He reported this in his book "Beating the devil out of them: Corporal punishment in American families and its effects on children." 5 He observed:

Serious adult depression is a widespread problem. It affects from 1 to 6% of the population.

There is little empirical research on the link between childhood corporal punishment and depression. One study "suggests that the perceptual blinders are a result of the almost universal early experience with corporal punishment."

An analysis of ten of the leading child psychology textbooks showed that they devoted only an average of only half a page to corporal punishment.

He quotes a book by P. Greven which suggests that "depression often is a delayed response to the suppression of childhood anger...from being physically hit and hurt..." [by parents]...Melancholy and depression have been persistent themes in the family history, religious experience, and emotional lives of Puritians, evangelicals, fundamentalists and Pentecostals for centuries....The first assaults on children's bodies and spirits generally commences before conscious memory can recall them later. The unconscious thus becomes the repository of age, resistance, and desire for revenge that small children feel when being struck by the adults they love...the ancient angers persist while the adult conscience directs rage inward upon the self." 6

The National Family Violence Survey involved 6,002 adults respondents, including adults who were living with a spouse, living common law, or a single parent living with one or more children. They were asked the question: "Thinking about when you yourself were a teenager, about how often would you say your mother or stepmother used corporal punishment, like slapping or hitting you?" A second question was asked concerning their father or stepfather. About half of the subjects reported memories of having been hit during adolescence. Respondents were asked five questions to find out if they had been suffering from sadness, depression, feelings of worthlessness, hopelessness, feelings that nothing was worthwhile, or suicidal ideation during the past year.

"For the men [in the study], there is a clear tendency for depressive symptoms to increase with each increment of corporal punishment. For the women in this sample, the slope starts out even more steeply than for the men, but then declines for the highest categories of corporal punishment....the significant effect of corporal punishment occurs despite controlling for possible confounding with the five other variables -- SES, gender of the child, husband to wife violence, excessive drinking and witnessing violence between parents."

The data showed that "with increasing amounts of corporal punishment [during teen years], ...thinking about suicide [in adulthood] increased. "



1986 to 1990: Study of corporal punishment and child anti-social behavior:

The Family Research Laboratory of the University of New Hampshire conducted a large study involving over 3,000 mothers of 3 to 5 year old children during the late 1980's. The women were interviewed in 1986, 1988 and 1990. The found that 63% of the mothers had spanked their child at least once during the previous week. Among those that spanked, they hit their children a little over 3 times per week, on average. The researchers found that the children which were spanked the most as 3 to 5 year olds exhibited higher levels of anti-social behavior when observed 2 and 4 years later. This included higher levels of hitting siblings, hitting other children in school, defying parents and ignoring parental rules. Dr. Murray Straus, the co-director of the Laboratory noted how ironic it is that the behaviors for which parents spank children are liable to get worse as a result of the spanking.


1986 to 1990: Corporal punishment and child IQ:
The Family Research Laboratory of the University of New Hampshire released a study which showed that the more often a child is spanked, the lower they score in IQ tests four years later. Their paper was described by researcher Dr. Murray Straus at the World Congress of Sociology on 1998-AUG-1 in Montreal, Quebec. They examined 960 American children who were between one and four years old between 1986 and 1990. The researchers do not attribute the lower IQ tests directly to physical injuries sustained during the spanking. Rather, they believe that parents who do not spank are forced to use more reasoning and explaining while disciplining the child. "Some parents think this is a waste of time, but research shows that such verbal parent-child interactions enhance the child's cognitive ability." Thirteen percent of the parents studied reported spanking their children seven or more times a week. The average was 3.6 spankings per week. Twenty-seven percent reported using no physical punishment. Those children who were spanked frequently averaged 98 on their IQ tests. Those who were rarely or never spanked scored 102 -- an above-average score. The four point average decline in IQ among the spanked students is sufficient to have a negative functional effect on those children. Ms. Dawn Walker, executive director of the Canadian Institute of Child Health commented: "We know that children who are under the threat of violence or aggression develop a fight-or-flight response system that has an impact on creativity and imagination, both of which could influence their IQ...Children need discipline but not hitting." 4

References are connected to this site and address is located at the beginning of the post. I did not remove the reference numbers, as I did not want to alter the contents of the above artical.

[try_to_be_objective (try_to_be_objective)]

What about the children that score 120 on their I.Q. tests, that were Honor roll students in college and that were "spanked" by their parents when they were young? Also, I do see too many mights, maybes, etc. in that research that was just posted. I guess I will have to do some research of my own to see if there is any contrary articles posted by professionals.
This posting that you just posted above does not seem to be the point of the case exactly. Considering from what has been posted in this message board. One, spanking is still allowed so that does not seem to be the case for the Mitchell's guilt or innocense. Two,social services does not condone spanking as a main form of discipline but they do not say that a parent could not spank their children. They only raise the warning of the harshness, pressure, and certain scenarios of parents that should not spank when they are angry.
Also, the parents did agree to spankings to be used with their children in a contract by the Mitchell's did they not? At least I think that is what I saw earlier in this message board.

[fact_seeker (fact_seeker)]

Try to be objective,

You should do so.


The National Family Violence Survey involved 6,002 adults respondents, including adults who were living with a spouse, living common law, or a single parent living with one or more children. They were asked the question: "Thinking about when you yourself were a teenager, about how often would you say your mother or stepmother used corporal punishment, like slapping or hitting you?" A second question was asked concerning their father or stepfather. About half of the subjects reported memories of having been hit during adolescence. Respondents were asked five questions to find out if they had been suffering from sadness, depression, feelings of worthlessness, hopelessness, feelings that nothing was worthwhile, or suicidal ideation during the past year.

"For the men [in the study], there is a clear tendency for depressive symptoms to increase with each increment of corporal punishment. For the women in this sample, the slope starts out even more steeply than for the men, but then declines for the highest categories of corporal punishment....the significant effect of corporal punishment occurs despite controlling for possible confounding with the five other variables -- SES, gender of the child, husband to wife violence, excessive drinking and witnessing violence between parents."

The data showed that "with increasing amounts of corporal punishment [during teen years], ...thinking about suicide [in adulthood] increased. "

Where is the mights, maybes, and etc you talk about?

[try_to_be_objective (try_to_be_objective)]

Fact seeker,
here is 3 paragraphs you had posted from the above of the article about corporal punishment.
These are some of the paragraphs that may not technically say maybe ,might,etc., but do show doubts, or suggestions in a few areas of the research article. Some examples below.


1.Some include subjects who have been physically and/or sexually abused. Abuse victims will generally show a much higher level of psychiatric, behavioral and addiction problems in adulthood. By mixing these victims with others who have only been spanked, the results may be skewed.

2.There is little empirical research on the link between childhood corporal punishment and depression. One study "suggests that the perceptual blinders are a result of the almost universal early experience with corporal punishment."


3. A number of researchers have attempted to link spanking with problems in the "spankees'" later behavior -- either during childhood, or adulthood. Some seem to have found links between "corporal punishment and lower IQs, teenage delinquency, adult criminality, marital conflict and spousal abuse." 15 Other research papers found no such relationships. As in many studies of this type, objectivity is often diminished; the results frequently confirm the researchers original beliefs.

Also, like I posted just recently:
This posting that you just posted above does not seem to be the point of the case exactly. Considering from what has been posted in this message board. One, spanking is still allowed so that does not seem to be the case for the Mitchell's guilt or innocense. Two,social services does not condone spanking as a main form of discipline but they do not say that a parent could not spank their children. They only raise the warning of the harshness, pressure, and certain scenarios of parents that should not spank when they are angry.
Also, the parents did agree to spankings to be used with their children in a contract by the Mitchell's did they not? At least I think that is what I saw earlier in this message board.
Thank you}}

[justice_seeker (justice_seeker)]

Try to be objective,

It is totally obvious by your post that you are not doing what you stated in an earlier post "Not a personal stance but an objective one. I never staked any claims to be on one side or the other, so please do not feel the need to become defensive."

So why don't you come out of the closet now.

LET ME MAKE MYSELF PERFECTLY CLEAR>>>THERE IS A DIFFERANCE BETWEEN SPANKING A CHILD AND BEATING A CHILD. STAN MITCHELL BEAT MY CHILD. I NEVER GAVE HIM PERMISSION TO DO THAT. I HAVE STATED BEFORE THAT I BELEIVE IN PUNISHMENT. HOWEVER, THERE IS A RIGHT WAY AND A WRONG WAY. THE MITCHELL'S DID TAKE IT TO THE EXTREMES.

AS FOR YOUR COMMENT: know you would not want to give all the details of a case but it does not seem fair to have one sides story splattered all over the news and this message board about their personal life. Does that really seem justly to any of you? Does anyone truly understand that if these people are innocent that even so, their lives still have been turned inside out and upside down forever? It would be almost impossible to change that.

ONCE ALL DETAILS ARE OUT IN THE OPEN IN A COURT OF LAW. THE WHOLE WORLD WILL KNOW ALL THE MITCHELLS DIRTY SECRETS.

YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT JUSTLY>>>GIVE ME A BREAK!!! I HAVE NO SYMPATHY FOR THEM WHAT SO EVER. THEY HURT MY SON AND OTHERS FOR WHAT???

I DO NOT NEED A COURT ROOM TO TELL ME JUST HOW QUILTY THEY ARE. I ALREADY KNOW THAT THEY ARE QUILTY. HOWEVER, WE DO NEED A JURY TO CONVICT THEM.

IF, YOU ARE JUST TRYING TO BE OBJECTIVE THAN WHY ARE YOU NOT ASKING QUESTIONS PERTAINING TO THE BOYS?

THE MITCHELLS ARE NOT THE VICTIMS HERE OUR CHILDREN ARE. KEEP THAT IN MIND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AS FOR FACT SEEKER POST IN THE ABOVE>>A LOT OF WHAT IS STATED IN IT MAKES SENSE>>YOU WOULD NOT UNDERSTAND THAT THOUGH BECAUSE YOU DO NOT HAVE ALL THE FACTS.

BESIDES YOUR QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT ARE POINTLESS. WE ARE WELL AWARE THAT YOU AND OTHERS ARE JUST FISHING FOR DETAILS. TELL YOU WHAT THE MITCHELLS ARE RECEIVING THE DISCOVERY SOON ASK THEM.

[try_to_be_objective (try_to_be_objective)]

justice seeker,
I am not taking sides. There is not a need for you to get upset and type in bold to me. I will not try to take that personally. I have not taken a personal stance. If you think I have, what makes you think that? Please show me the err of my ways. I only try to be objective. Did not say I would not make a mistake once in a while. Also, I have asked questions not specifically about the boys yet. As I said before, that I have many questions that I will ask later. Even tough I have not received a straight answer from anyone at this time; I plan on asking many more about both sides. This would mean that I plan on a continued discussion. I am very curious about both sides of this whole situation. Since a lot of the posts in this board has already given me a good peek into the boys life I thought it would be interesting to figure out these questions I had about how the case would go. The questions were about both sides. I asked for example:Why not have both sides get polygragh tests?
That is if in this case; they are permissible.
That would seem fair for both parties. Well, unless one party is not telling the whole truth.
Another example(this question does have something to do with the boys): I do have problems understanding the "200 licks" that a boy received from the accused. Those licks either were very gentle and used as the Chinese torture method the Chinese used with water or someone seems to be exaggerating. It would only take a few good licks on my bottom; when I was young, to make me want to pass out or stop counting. How in the world did the boy count up that many licks. I guess the boy had a witness to stand there and count the licks just in case they wanted to go to charge the accused. Please see how this may be seen by a jury.

I still do not see where I took a personal stance. Where in my postings am I being bias or swayed to prejudge one side over the other?
I can copy and paste all you want me to, but it does seem to be a waste of time if you do not even bother reading my posts completely. I have heard of selective hearing, but selective reading? You are correct about the fact I do not have all the facts. Hence, the reason I ask these questions. Now the court deal, I am sure I could find some way later to find out what all went on in this case. They do keep track of everything said and done in a case.
Yes, everyone is wanting details. Who does not want to know the whole truth? Can not help that. I do know that you and the Mitchell's can not get real detailed about it outside of the courts.I understand that completely. It does not hurt to ask, does it?
Thank you for your input.
Joanne Waters

[try_to_be_objective (try_to_be_objective)]

ps. Joanne Waters is not my real name. Just thought you might feel more comfortable with a proper name from me. I do not prefer to post my real name out on the internet no matter what message board etc. I am on. That only askes for pyscho people to find you. There have been people killed by derranged people. Remember the pregnant woman who was stalked by another woman who cut her unborn child out of her belly and kidnapped the baby? That woman posted her name etc. on the internet.

[try_to_be_objective (try_to_be_objective)]

ps. Joanne Waters is not my real name. Just thought you might feel more comfortable with a proper name from me. I do not prefer to post my real name out on the internet no matter what message board etc. I am on. That only askes for pyscho people to find you. There have been people killed by derranged people. Remember the pregnant woman who was stalked by another woman who cut her unborn child out of her belly and kidnapped the baby? That woman posted her name etc. on the internet.

[try_to_be_objective (try_to_be_objective)]

Correction on my last postings:
I made a typo.
Askes was suppose to be typed "asks"
I know how nit picky some people can be.

[justice_seeker (justice_seeker)]

To anyone that insists on knowing the details,

I am not answering questions pertaining to this until it is all out in the open in court. So you can ask all the questions you want-I will not answer.

I will say this - as for a polygraph>>we have stated from the beginning that we had no problem in taking a polygraph>>>we have absolutely nothing to hide.

The purpose of all of this is to warn other people so they can protect their children and not make the same mistakes I did. (Trusting the Mitchells) Yes! I want JUSTICE for my son and the other children involved.

Try to be objective,

My time is very valuable>> I do not have time to point out all your comments, to give you an example though>>> " do have problems understanding the "200 licks" that a boy received from the accused. Those licks either were very gentle and used as the Chinese torture method the Chinese used with water or someone seems to be exaggerating. It would only take a few good licks on my bottom; when I was young, to make me want to pass out or stop counting. How in the world did the boy count up that many licks. I guess the boy had a witness to stand there and count the licks just in case they wanted to go to charge the accused. Please see how this may be seen by a jury."
There are answers to this that would explain; I will say there are witnesses. Yes! A jury will want to know and a jury will get the answers. By your comment it sounds to me like you doubt it.

My son and family have been through a lot regarding this, so yes I take it personal when anyone comes on here acting, as they know what took place.

The way I see it is my son and these children are being victimized all over again by people making accusations and calling them names. Just for your info. I am not saying that you called them names. But in other words you may as well be calling them liars “someone seems to be exaggerating”.

[fact_seeker (fact_seeker)]

Objective,

As you state that you understand that certain questions cannot be answered outside the court room and you have been told that the answer to your question asked previously would be answered there, why are you asking us to answer it again?

Looks to me as if you are trying to get details to help the mitchell defense. That is my opinion and some of your snide comments show very much how you already feel about this case. Nit Picky? Why because we ask that the posts be spell checked so they could be understood? There was one post on here from a young man who left it wide open for assumptions to be made about what he was saying. I do not wish to assume someone meant to say something. I want to know exactly what they intended to say. Is that so wrong?

You can say you are objective, but I haven't seen one thing yet that can determine that you are objective.

How about you go ahead and post all your questions, since you seem to know what all you would like to ask instead of asking one at a time. We will answer what we can, what must wait, will just have to wait. Otherwise, you will have to have your questions answered in the courts just like everyone else. We do not wish to prepare the mitchells for defense....we do not want to give them time to make up stories to cover themselves. There are lots of things we know that will not be found on this board, but will be stated in the courts.

Concerning your comments about names being stated. I agree with you, there is a very crazy world out there, and obliviously you never know whom you can trust, do we?? After all, isn't that what caused all this...Someone gaining trust that, in the end, proved untrustworthy to us? If you will look back as to who exposed and pressed for names you will find your answers concerning who cares for safety of all concerned and who wants to use what the have for their own benefit even against the boys that are on his side, because those boys will be questioned just as much.

Yes, I knew when I went to court all would come out about my son and the relationship between us and the mitchells. I knew how stan would tear these boys apart, the ones that he supposedly saved lives of---now he is ready to tear them apart with no regard, and has even used this fact to ask for all charges to be dropped. This was something I discussed at length with my son. I knew he would come after my child no holds barred, after all, my son has lived him torment of why he was never good enough for his own father to love him. He is willing to put it all on the line, if it means that stan will not be able to hurt another child. My son could not live with himself if he knew what was going on and didn't do anything about it. He was not raised to be a self centered controlling person. He was raised with compassion for fellow mankind.

[try_to_be_objective (try_to_be_objective)]

fact seeker , justice seeker, and others:

Since my schedule can not wrap around this message board everyday I will not be able to post all my questions yet. I was just brainstorming a few out at first. Some new questions that I have not recently thought about asking my come up. The deal with people being nit-picky about spelling from what I have seen on this board seemed very trivial but I have seen typos from a lot of posts here. Your posts included. As for the post I made earlier:
do have problems understanding the "200 licks" that a boy received from the accused. Those licks either were very gentle and used as the Chinese torture method the Chinese used with water or someone seems to be exaggerating. It would only take a few good licks on my bottom; when I was young, to make me want to pass out or stop counting. How in the world did the boy count up that many licks. I guess the boy had a witness to stand there and count the licks just in case they wanted to go to charge the accused. Please see how this may be seen by a jury."
Yes that does puzzle me. It is not easy for me to grasp a situation such as that. Is it so wrong for me to point that out; that a jury may see that as someone would seem to be exaggerating? Yes, I have been objective. In order to be that way I will have to understand both sides of the fence. Would you rather me go blindly into one side without knowing what,when, where, and how? That is unfair of anyone to ask that of anyone. Besides I do not ask these questions for you to answer only. I am very willing to read others comments on the matter either from people for or against the Mitchell's.
Good thing we do have a law of innocent until proven guilty. Has that law been thrown out lately? Also, I do understand that victims and the accused have rights. Just hope you all remember that that includes this case. Is it wrong for me to show the possible flaws in some stories I have read? You seem to want me to just fall into your lap like a naive puppy and believe only one side. Now I know why only a few can ever really be judges in the court system. I am far from perfect so I will not always be objective. That is why I put the words "try_to_ be" in my username. Lets not fuss about little things as that. Now back to my busy world. Vacation is over for now. I may or may not be able to post again for a few days. I still wish to here from anyone here that is on the Mitchell's side also on any of my questions. This is a free speech message board is it not? Is it okay with the rest of you if I converse with others?

[fact_seeker (fact_seeker)]

Sure, It would be great to hear from the other side, but all I have heard to date is complete denial. As I asked, how were these boys able to come up with the same stories, especially my son? He was tucked far away from these boys and doesn't seem to know a few of them...but yet his account of the issues matched their stories. The only explanation so far offered by stans supporters is that DSS told them what to say. I can assure you this is not the case with my child.

Also, I don't recall them stating they would be willing to do the lie detector test, where we have said we have nothing to hide. Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, as you say you've just read the whole board, and I have been on here for a while and do not re-read the complete board everyday.

Yes, I agree there has been lots of trivial comments made, and I will no longer be wasting time with the gossip. I noticed this message board had become much like Dr. Kidd's board. That is not productive and I will only entertain productive conversations from this moment on.

Try to be objective, if it were your child that came home and told you this happened to him, WHAT WOULD YOU DO? That is what this all boils down to. Would you believe your child or would you believe stan? Before you answer that, come to the trial and hear ALL the facts. Come hear what is not and WILL NOT be posted here until after the trial. They will not be posted here. Yes, it does all come down to credibility....not character witnesses...but the GOD'S HONEST TRUTH.

[mitchells_sister (mitchells_sister)]

CLARIFICATION OF NORTH CAROLINA HOME SCHOOLING LAW:

Definitions:
Home school - A non-public school in which one or more children of not more than two families or households receive academic instruction from parents or legal guardians, or a member of either household.

Duly authorized representative of the state - the Director, Division of Non-Public Education or his staff.

Requirements:
Notify the Department of Administration, Division of Non-Public Education of your intent to operate a school and include your school name, and name of chief administrator.
Certify that the persons providing the academic instruction hold at least a high school diploma or its equivalent.
Maintain attendance records on each student.
Maintain immunization records on each student.
Operate on a regular schedule, excluding reasonable holidays and vacations, during at least nine calendar months of the year.
Administer a nationally standardized test, or other equivalent measurement, that measures achievement in the areas of English grammar, reading, spelling, and math, to every student each year, and maintain the results on file for one year, subject to inspection by a duly authorized representative of the State.
Notify the Department of Administration, Division of Non-Public Education, when closing your school.
Requirements Exclusive:
No school meeting these requirements shall be subject to any other provision of law relating to education except requirements of law respecting immunization.

[true2god (true2god)]

mitchell-sister
If the reqirements of the school cold not be no more than 2 different families how did stan have the school legal if he had more than 13 kids at some point.If I am not mistaken he had more than 2 families,because all the boys were from different families.correct me if Iam wrong but how could that be 2 families if the boys all came from different families.

I also would like to know when does stan plain on sending me Timothy's school,medcial records that he still has.he has no need for them or any other recorders of Timothys.

[fact_seeker (fact_seeker)]

True 2 God,

You are not the only one that they retained records and information on and completely refused to return. I guess he knew all along this day would come or else he would not have kept what he did.

I believe stan knows EXACTLY what I'm talking about. I didn't believe him that night, and I don't believe him today.

[try_to_be_objective (try_to_be_objective)]

Since I have not done much but ask questions. I thought I should at least answer a few.

The question from Tru2god:
If the reqirements of the school cold not be no more than 2 different families how did stan have the school legal if he had more than 13 kids at some point.If I am not mistaken he had more than 2 families,because all the boys were from different families.correct me if Iam wrong but how could that be 2 families if the boys all came from different families.
Answer: the limit of children is mentioned as one or more. therefore there is not really a set limit except they at least have to have one child to qualify. The limits the requirements refer to are the limits of how many households or families. If the Mitchell's were considered legal guardians that would make the Mitchell's the one family or household that are the academic instructors. It really is stating a ratio over households(families) and instructors.

I noticed you asked for one of the boys medical records..etc. They are not the only ones that have a copy of those records. Doctors, social services etc. also have copies. You could easily obtain them from them I would imagine. I am sure that the Mitchell's have to keep a copy for legal purpose. Just as many people have to keep records of tax returns and documents to support tax filings. That would be the smart plan I would think. I would not throw any of my tax papers etc. away for at least 10 years.
http://nces.ed.gov/pubs2001/2001033.pdf
http://www.ncdnpe.org/hhh103.htm

[i_know_the_truth (i_know_the_truth)]

Stan and I disagree on certain things about helping troubled boys, but the fact remains, some of this is very exagerrated to say the least. Do you really think a man of Stan's size could hit a boy 200 times with a boat paddle and the boy live to tell about it? C'mon, let's use a little bit of logic in the conversation. There was a situation in the home in our church where a parent would send their child to the home and tell how he lied every chance he got, but whenever he said something about the home, all of a sudden, little Johnny wouldn't lie to Mom anymore. He has to be telling the truth. It's funny Stan never got any media attention for the 50+ boys that got help and possibly turned their life around in the home. All folks want to know is the negative stuff.

[try_to_be_objective (try_to_be_objective)]

I forgot to mention that the qualifications and requirements are different between boarding schools and home schools. Were the Mitchell's considered a boarding school? If so you could look up at thesites I have posted recently from government website describing these requirements for baording schools.

[try_to_be_objective (try_to_be_objective)]

Corrections on typos etc. from my last posting:
thesites is suppose to be the sites
baording schools is suppose to be boarding schools.
Thank you

[try_to_be_objective (try_to_be_objective)]

Justice seeker, fact seeker and all others,

Since you said I never asked about the boys here you go. Even though I have asked about the boys before.

Now for some questions about the boys.

after these accusations against the Mitchell's were charged where did the boys go. How many boys are the Mitchell's accused of abusing. How old are they? Have any of them been in a juvenile corrections facility or been to court for a crime where the judge sentenced them to the Mitchell's school? If so, was the boy or boys that was sentenced go back to the parents or did they get served to go to a juvenile corrections facility. Were any of these boys charged with violent crimes before or after this situation? Are any of the boys that were allegedly abused by the Mitchell's, seeing an abuse counselor now? Have these boys ever lied about abuse by other people before the Mitchell's situation? Have any of these boys ever been charged with abusing in any way another sibling parent or school mate before they went to the Mitchell's school?
I am sure you can not answer all of these, but I am sure many of these questions will be allowed in a court case. Considering someone said that this case is about credibility then the defense will need to be able to defend their side in some way.

Thank you,
A.K.A. Joanne Waters

[try_to_be_objective (try_to_be_objective)]

One more question for now:
Has any of the boys that are accusing the Mitchell's ever tried to self mutilate their bodies or someone else's?

[try_to_be_objective (try_to_be_objective)]

This paragraph below is from this website:
http://www.familyrightsassociation.com/bin/white_papers-articles/stuckle/false_sex.htm

Our criminal justice system states that if the jury has a “reasonable doubt” then it must find the defendant “not guilty”. This theory simply does not apply to child sexual assault cases. The jury must be convinced they are not letting a child molester off and back into the community. The jury must absolutely believe in the innocence of the defendant. The state does not have to prove guilt, but simply make the accusation. Once the accusation is made, the defendant must prove innocence beyond a reasonable doubt. Failing that, the jury will not take a chance the defendant may be a child molester, and will convict.


This site is very interesting. This does not only apply to sexual abuse but any child abuse and how easy it is to get a grand jury to indict someone of any child abuse.

By the way , I do not think I have to asktoo many questions about the Mitchell's at this moment considered from the newspaper articles and this message board has seemed to do a good job of trying to portray their past. Therefore, I am not being one sided about these questions I have posted. Considering the weight of info from one side already told compared to the other.
thank you

[try_to_be_objective (try_to_be_objective)]

http://www.familyrightsassociation.com/bin/white_papers-articles/stuckle/false_sex.htm

5. Independent Facts Which Lead To An Allegation:

The situations that create false allegations depending upon circumstances, for example:

A. False allegations have been made by mothers who desire to gain the upper hand in a custody battle.
B. Teen age children have alleged abuse to get the disciplinarian father out of the house.
C. School age children will fabricate abuse after observing "Good Touch, Bad Touch" type films at school.
D. Children know more about sex than our society is willing to recognize. They are bombarded with sexual overtones through the movies, magazines and advertisements.
E. Some children make false allegations for attention.
F. Some children make false allegations after hearing about real sexual abuses that have occurred to friends or classmates.

Summary : Recipe for conviction:

1. “Outcry” from a child, interpreted as abuse;
2. Reporting of the outcry by a person required by law to report any suspicion of child abuse, or someone with a hidden agenda or motive;
3. A biased investigation by employees of the child saving industry;
4. A biased medical report by a “nurse” contracted by the child saving industry;
5. Syndrome evidence from an “expert” witness;
6. Circumstantial evidence of the accused’s opportunity to be alone with the child.
7. Motive or other variables leading to an accusation.

[true2god (true2god)]

try to be objective
first of all, all I can answer is for my son.
when he was 13 his real dad killed himself in front of him.I can say that this led to some real emtoinal problems in timothy's life.Timothy got to were he stayed exspelled from school more than he went,he had learning disabilties in the first place,so he was in speacial ed classes.after the death of his father other children got to were they would make fun of him alot.I tried to get him to over look it and go on but you know how that goes you can only take so much.

I can say to you and everybody else who wants to know because I have nothing to hide.my son did hurt a child 2 years before he went into the school but no the courts did not order him to the school that was completely by my choice
If you will go back in the post you will see that me and my husband now did everything we could to help Timothy and I prayed for 3 years before I ever put him some were.

I don't really need Timothy's school or medical recorders now that he is dead I would just like to have them back for keepsake.and before you or anyone else can ask my son died in a car wreck after he had been home for 6 months.

I can say like I have said before my son had really got his life turned around for the good and I was so proud of him.He was doing great in school and at home and was going to go in the services after he finished his schooling .I give GOD the credit for that cause GOD is the one that trned his life around.

I will also tell you that if the mitchells home schooling was suppose to be so much better than public school why was Timothy felling just about everyone of his classes when he came out of the school.I asked this question to the mitchells and they told me because he was lazy and didn't try but if that was the case why didn't they make surer it was different.
I know when he came home and started back to school in a private school here when grades started dropping I confornted Timothy and his teachers and we had Timothy tested and alot of his test scores were at a 7 grade level and we're talking about a child that was in 11 grade .Why didn't they pick up on this and test Timothy thereself instead of letting him get behinde
in his schooling.

[family_friend (family_friend)]

Try to be Objective,
I am a close friend of Stan Mitchells and a member of the church where the boys used to reside. I heard the backgrounds of lots of these boys straight from theyre own mouths and I can tell you that they were certainly not perfect angels as theyre mothers try to make them out to be, of course who is perfect but Im not falsely ruining a mans life and possibly taking a father and mother away from theyre children. Anyway from what I have understood there have been 2-3 boys accusing the Mitchells of these things and there are lots of boys saying that these things never happened. Fact seeker keeps asking what we would do if it was our children , Well I would first take in to consideration that these children were in fact troubled. I mean were talking about wild teenage boys that were juvenile delinquents and some on theyre way to jail. Some were druggies and molestors. I would have to weigh all the facts and as a mother I would not just be ready to watch a mans life and reputation torn to shreds if There was no concrete evidence. Now if it was a small child and they had no prior opprtunities to tell then I dont know what I would do. But these boys simply didnt like authority and were ready to get home to theyre old friends and out from under any adult supervision. I mean come on I think if I was a hellion and hated authority like some of them did I would want to go home. And I would like to know why Justice Seeker wont give a reasonale explanation as to why her son-one of the sole accusors- called the Mitchells and told them he was sorry for the lies tha the had told???????
?? Some of you seem so ready to put your dukes up at the least little resistance you get, I guess in your case the apple doesnt fall far from the tree. Hey and what a novel Idea, maybe it was the mothers who told theyre sons what to say!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[try_to_be_objective (try_to_be_objective)]

true2god,
I am deeply saddened by your loss.
I understand the loss of a close loved one.
May God be with you

[try_to_be_objective (try_to_be_objective)]

true2god,
I am deeply saddened by your loss.
I understand the loss of a close loved one.
May God be with you

[try_to_be_objective (try_to_be_objective)]

family_friend
I think I am getting some of the picture on both sides. I am just trying to be unbias about it. After all the jury will have to hear all stories from both the accusers and the accused. I would hope that is still how the court system works.
Thank you

[justice_seeker (justice_seeker)]

FAMILY FRIEND,

FIRST OF ALL I HAVE NEVER STATED THAT MY SON WAS A PERFECT ANGEL. HOWEVER, HE HAS NEVER BEEN A JUVENILE DELIQUENT, A MOLESTOR, OR A DRUGGIE.

FOR THE RECORD, MY SON WAS ALREADY HOME AND STAYING WHEN I FOUND OUT. I HAVE NEVER TOLD MY SON WHAT TO SAY ABOUT ABOUNDING GRACE SCHOOL FOR BOYS, STAN OR LEIGH MITCHELL.

YOU PEOPLE ARE GRASPING FOR ANY EXCUSE YOU CAN TO TRY AND TURN THIS AROUND ON THESE CHILDREN. YOU HAVE RESORTED TO SLANDERING THE CHILDREN AND THE MOTHERS. YOU ARE SO QUICK TO JUDGE THESE CHILDREN. ARE YOU FORGETTING ABOUT STAN'S POLICE RECORD? OH! YOU ALL CLAIM GOD SAVED HIM AND HE IS A CHANGED MAN. GOD WASHED AWAY HIS SINS. SOME OF YOU ACT AS THOUGH STAN IS GOD HIMSELF. PLEASE HE USES GOD TO GET WHAT HE WANTS. THESE CHILDREN WERE HIS PUPPETS AND THEY LIVED IN FEAR.

I HAVE WEIGHED ALL THE FACTS. MY SON WAS THERE FOR 22 MONTHS. FOR THE RECORD NONE OF THE BOYS HAVE GOTTEN TOGETHER AND MADE THIS UP.

FOR ONE THERE ARE SO MANY FACTS THAT ARE GETTING TWISTED, ESPECIALLY BY THE MITCHELLS AND HIS SUPPORTERS.

REX HAS NOT EVER CALLED STAN AND APOLOGIZED. YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT PHONE RECORDS CAN BE PULLED AND WILL PROVE ONCE AGAIN JUST WHAT KIND OF PEOPLE THE MITCHELLS ARE. ON 7/11/05 AT 11:15 AM I POSTED THIS RESPONSE: I AM BRIDGET WINGERT, STEVEN REX BLEVINS MOTHER. REX DID NOT CALL THE MITCHELLS AND SAY THESE THINGS. I HAVE NOT BEEN TO AN ATTORNEY FOR SEPARATION PAPERS FROM MY HUSBAND.

DO YOU NOT READ OR WHAT?





TRY TO BE OBJECTIVE,

THERE IS A WHOLE LOT MORE TO THIS THAN THE MEDIA KNOWS ABOUT OR ANYONE FOR THAT MATTER.

[justwantthetruth (justwantthetruth)]

try to be objective
you can try to get both sides but when you do this is what you get, when you ask a questions and it does not belittle someone you will only be answered with a harsh answers. You will just have to ride it out and when God believes its time for the truth to be known then and only then will we all know both sides.

[fact_seeker (fact_seeker)]

justwantthetruth,

You are so right, when God believes its time for the truth to be known then and only then will we all know both sides.

Yes, the mitchells will be using the very reason that they were trying to help these boys against them, Yes, they have threatened to tear these young boys apart on the witness stand, Unless of course, if we drop the charges as they asked in an earlier post. A threat only a real abuser would make. It really does show how much these boys meant to them to begin with.

Thankfully when both sides are able to tell their stories it will be in a court of law and the mithcells will NOT be able to touch our children.

[mitchells_mom (mitchells_mom)]

CLARIFICATION:

The Mitchells had NOTHING to do with the posting that I made concerning the boys in court or the suggestion to drop the charges. Their lawyer asked me to make that post as he feels all of you really do not understand what is going to happen in court

[try_to_be_objective (try_to_be_objective)]

Mitchells Mom,

What do you mean exactly by "all of you really do not understand what is going to happen in court?" I am interested to hear your side of the situation. If you really are the Mitchell's mom.
Are you Lee or Earl's(Is he called Stan or Earl mostly?) mother?
I have been interested in this ever since I slipped up into this board while looking for something else. Since I live in NC and heard about this in the news I kinda what to know how the courts handle this. I am taking college classes to go into a field dealing with laws. Also, I am trying to put aside most of my personal beliefs and see it as a judge etc. would have to look at it.If you do not want to post to me on this board because of legal reasons please email me : squamata@bellsouth.net
That goes for anyone on here, Email if you prefer.
thank you

[try_to_be_objective (try_to_be_objective)]

correction from last post
I kinda what to know how the courts handle this.
I meant to type : I kinda of WANT to know how the courts handle this.

[fact_seeker (fact_seeker)]

try to be objective,

While I understand your curiosity for this case, I wanted to remind you that their are always 2 sides to every story. When working with prosecution you will find that they are not as open to share the facts prior to trial.

Unlike the defense in this case. As the defendant has an "uphill climb" from what I gathered within the article you posted previously.

I sincerely hope that you will also attend the trial to learn of all evidence and the prosecutions way of handling this trial to include in your learning experience.

[justice_seeker (justice_seeker)]

Mitchells Mom,

CLARIFICATION:

My opinion is that the Mitchell’s know what they have done to these boys. The Mitchell’s are trying to cover it up and that is the real reason you all are trying to keep this out of the courts.

I am curious! The Mitchell’s claim to care about children>>> Why in the world would they bring their own young children to court with them? If, I were the Mitchell’s I would protect my children and not expose them to that. Why? Would you want them to be tormented by your mistakes?

[fact_seeker (fact_seeker)]

Copied from WS Journal

Man, wife who ran school get 1 more count of abuse

LEXINGTON - The couple who ran a private school for boys in Davidson County were indicted yesterday on one additional charge each of felony child abuse.

Earl Stanley Mitchell, 44, was indicted last month on two counts of child abuse, and his wife, Lucinda Mitchell, 36, was indicted on one count.

A grand jury handed down the additional charges yesterday, according to the Davidson County clerk of court.

The Mitchells ran a school called Abounding Grace School for Boys on N.C. 150. The school closed in July 2004 after Earl Mitchell was charged with a misdemeanor that was later dropped.

The Mitchells' next court appearance is scheduled for Oct. 3.

[fact_seeker (fact_seeker)]

To all interested parties,

Stan and Leigh Mitchell appeared in court today and were given their 500 page discovery.

They were also served the 2 additional charges that they were indicted on at the end of August.

Next court date is Nov. 14th.

[snappy (snappy)]

What exactly does that mean? a 500 page discovery? How strong is the case against them? It doesn't sound too good for them.

[family_friend (family_friend)]

fact seeker why did you delete your post?

[snappy (snappy)]

That's what I was wondering..

[justice_seeker (justice_seeker)]

Snappy,

To answer your question about the discovery>>the way I understand it>>the discovery is the evidence that the District Attorney's office has collected on the Mitchell's. You will have to draw your own conclusion at this point. I will say I cannot wait until trail so that the entire public can know the horrible truth about the Mitchell’s. Once, trail has concluded I will not keep my mouth shut any longer about the details of the abuse.

Snappy and Family Friend,
I am just now getting a chance to look at this message board since court on October 3, 2005. I am not for sure what Fact Seeker posted and then deleted. My opinion is maybe she felt like she said too much at this time.

Keep in mind there is a lot we cannot say until trail. Or, I should say I have decided not to speak of some of the details of the case until trail so that the Mitchell’s' or anyone can say that this has been corrupted in any way, shape form or fashion.

[justice_seeker (justice_seeker)]

To Everyone,

If, there is anyone out there that has any information about Abounding Grace School for Boys, Stan or Lucinda (Leigh) Mitchell>>>Please contact the District Attorney's office at 336-249-0373.

[justice_seeker (justice_seeker)]

To any parents, children or anyone who have come forward to confirm the abuse.

Thank you for your courage and please follow this through.

My opinion is>> I owe this to my son for all that he had to endure at the hands of the Mitchell's. I have a duty as a parent to follow this through to ensure justice for all the children involved. I have a duty to ensure that this never happens to a child again.

So, if you do feel as I do, PLEASE FOLLOW THIS THROUGH. DO NOT BE SCARED OR INTIMIDATED.

[mitchells_mom (mitchells_mom)]

The discovery consists of a lot more than "Evidence" - it contains every little bit of information that is available - in other words, about 95% of it is just information - not evidence!!!!! - It contains everything that has been posted on this site!!!!!!!!! It contains information on Stan's background (which is already public knowledge and has been posted on this site). It contains Drivers License Records, etc. which are also public knowledge. So you see a lot of it is just paperwork. Every time a person calls in, it is supposed to be documented, GOOD AND BAD. It also contains a history of the boys home and many of the attendees.

Lawyers expect this information to include evidence and all of the "fluff" - It is their job to sort through it and delete the junk.

Also, there are many more boys that will testify that there was never any abuse in the school - they are willing to come from all over the country to testify. There are a lot more boys saying that this abuse is totally lies than there are boys that are saying that they were abused.

[fact_seeker (fact_seeker)]

I deleted my post because I will not reveal anything else regarding this case, I felt as if you had answered your own question and my response was not needed, therefore I removed it. I also felt as if family friend and boseman would take what I said out of context and start something else with it as they have in the past. I will not post anything again for them to have their fun with. The fact that Boseman's own son told him of this abuse and he refused to believe his child tells me everything I want to know about this man.

Facts are facts and I'm willing to report them on the board for snappy and the others that really truly want to know the truth of what happened to these boys. My opinions will be something I keep to myself from this point on. As the facts I've learned recently showed me that I underestimated the depth of this situation and what these young boys have gone through and what they deal with on a daily basis today.

If these children were "troubled" (and I say this for lack of a better word at this moment) when they came into the home it is nothing compared to the horror they face on a daily basis as a result of the traumatic experience they had in this home. I refer to my previous post regarding the result of a teen boy that has been abused and the consequences it brings them in life. Further information regarding this statement will be presented under oath in a court of law.

As Stan sits high on his throne and is proud of what he did and as his family and friends say they did nothing wrong, I simply cannot imagine how anyone could feel good about what they did to these boys and to the future of the boys they supposedly were trying to help. There is a sickness in this man and where it entered his life is beyond me. He was not this demented when I knew him in his younger years. Like I mentioned before, this was not a one night stand as the mitchells would like you to believe, I knew him, I knew his family, and most of all I saw his home life, HE was NOT raised like this. I am sure his mother is not proud of what he has done and I thank God that she is not with us today to have to live through this with him once again. I also thank God on a daily basis that I refused to allow this man to raise my son. It hurts my heart to know his blood runs deep within my child. If I could remove every drop of it, believe me, I would. They told you that I'm here as a result of him abandoning my child, let me make this clear, that was MY choice based on what I knew of Stan and his lifestyle. If anyone was angry with my decision it was Stan, because I left him and I recall the threats he made against me and my child for doing such.

What I left on the board were the facts of what happened in the court room on Monday. There is so much more I would love to tell you snappy, but I simply cannot at this time. But I promise, you will know the truth in the end -- one way or another.

Stan and Leigh, I know you read this board....
No matter what you do with this case, what you did to these boys will come out. You know the terror of what you did. You knew it was not right. We will not permit you to be able to hurt another child on this earth and that is what this is all about. We will do everything in our power to be sure you do not move, as you have offered to do, and start another home. Protecting future children from being abused by Stan and Leigh is our ONLY purpose.

BTW, just when do you plan to officially close the home? Why did you sign and return a license renewal form WITHIN the past year? How many times have you told people the home is closed when in fact it still has an active license?

Stan and Leigh, it is time for you to start telling the truth and quit lying to the public and to all the churches supporting you.

[phillip_boseman (phillip_boseman)]

Excuse me fact seeker you know the Boseman you are talking about. Well im his son Phillip and the comment you made about me telling him I was abused is a lie. I should know since I speak for myself.

[mitchells_mom (mitchells_mom)]

Hi Phillip,

I missed seeing you guys Oct 3rd - I wasn't able to get there due to work but I will see you in November. I really look forward to seeing you soon.

Leigh's Mom

[phil_boseman (phil_boseman)]

Fact Seeker,
I never said Phillip was abused. He was paddled when he needed it and I don't call that abuse. I don't care what you think of me. The more you talk on this board the more people see what you are.
Phillip has his life on track. He is in church and is finishing his education. If I had not sent him to AGSFB, I could not say this.
I am still sticking with the Mitchell's as you could see Monday.

[justice_seeker (justice_seeker)]

Phillip,

Does that mean Phillip is attending Abounding Grace School for Boys with Stan and Leigh?

[mitchells_sister (mitchells_sister)]

You know whats funny? you all still think they have boys and they dont.Shows how much you people actually know. HA! Something else I want to add we are going to trial.Not a trail get it right!Stan and Leigh received discovery papers and you idiots dont have a clue what we have on you.Oh and by the way stan and leigh dont own a computer so your wrong again they are not reading any of this crap and I am glad because thats all yall write is crap and lies.

[phil_boseman (phil_boseman)]

Justice Seeker,

You know Phillip is not at AGSFB. He is back home with us and attending school and going to church as a family. As a matter of fact we just got home from church. I hope you attend church also.

[fact_seeker (fact_seeker)]

So what did Stan do with his computer?

Why didn't you answer the question of when you will be closing the school? Why is it still open when you lie and say it is closed? If anyone wants to check just call the NC Dept of Non-public schools. It is public information. Then you can make up your own mind on who is lying.

BTW, is that how christians speak nowadays? Goodness!

(Message edited by fact seeker on October 05, 2005)

[justice_seeker (justice_seeker)]

Mitchells sister,

You know I am sick of some of you calling me names. You really make it worse on yourselves when you do.

For the record, when I was last at Stan's he did have a computer. As a matter of fact he had several. Please do not try and tell me that you all do not keep him informed. Have you ever heard of a printer? Please I am no idiot!

As I have asked repeatedly, please refrain from calling my son or I names.

As for crap and lies>> Let’s see the Grand Jury would not have issued 5 indictments if this were all crap and lies.

As for what you know about my son or I, we could care less we have nothing to hide. We are well aware that you all are going to try and discredit every one of us. That is the first thing the defense tries to do. They try to take the eyes off of the criminals and make the victims suffer even more. When this is all said and done we will see who is sitting behind bars and has been telling crap and lies.

Oh my gosh Becky! You caught me making several typos. You are absolutely right it is trial, not trail. What was I thinking? Mmmmmmmmmmm!

[fact_seeker (fact_seeker)]

little sister dont is spelled don't. Don't be pointing fingers when you don't know how to spell and type yourself. When typing sentences your supposed to put spaces in between the period and the next sentence. Just makes more sense that way.

Concerning Stan's criminal record being listed on this board, I haven't seen each charge listed on here. If you could kindly point that post out to me, I would appreciate it. Or perhaps we should have it posted here for everyone that will not be in the court room to see. Let me know if your interested in that, and I'll see what I can do.

If there was nothing wrong with the way they treated these kids that brought them so many dollars and donations, why don't they beat their own children and punish them in a similar fashion? Because they DO KNOW the difference between right and humane treatment and what they did...is my thought.

[justice_seeker (justice_seeker)]

Mitchells Mom,

Below are just some definitions of discovery and indictment that I found on the internet. Where do you get the statistic from that 95% of the discovery is just information, not evidence?

Discovery
n. The efforts to obtain information before a trial by a party to a lawsuit and his/her/its attorneys by demands for production of documents, depositions of parties and potential witnesses, written interrogatories, written requests for admissions of fact, examination of the scene, and petitions and motions employed to enforce discovery rights. The right to discovery affords all parties with the opportunity to go to trial with as much knowledge as possible and not hold secrets from the other. During a suit, most of the fight between the two sides occurs during the discovery period.

(law) compulsory pretrial disclosure of documents relevant to a case; enables one side in a litigation to elicit information from the other side concerning the facts in the case
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn


in·dict·ment (ĭn-dīt'mənt)
n.

The act of indicting.
The condition of being indicted.
Law. A written statement charging a party with the commission of a crime or other offense, drawn up by a prosecuting attorney and found and presented by a grand jury.

indictment (ĭndīt'mənt) , in criminal law, formal written accusation naming specific persons and crimes. Persons suspected of crime may be rendered liable to trial by indictment, by presentment, or by information. An indictment is issued by a grand jury when the jury's investigation is initiated by the public prosecutor's presentment of a bill of indictment. A presentment is an accusation issued by the grand jury on its own knowledge, without any bill of indictment having been previously drawn up by the prosecutor. An information is an accusation presented directly by the prosecutor without consideration by a grand jury. The Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution safeguards the right to a preliminary hearing by a grand jury in major federal cases. It provides in effect that no person outside military service may be tried in a federal court for a capital “or otherwise infamous” (i.e., a felony) crime except on indictment or presentment. Fewer than half of the states similarly require grand jury action. When an indictment or presentment is approved, the foreman of the grand jury marks it “true bill.” Indictments, presentments, and informations are similar to the plaintiff's complaint in a civil action (see procedure).

indictment
In the common law legal system, an indictment is a formal charge of having committed a serious criminal offense. In those jurisdictions which retain the concept of a felony, the serious crime offence would be a felony; those jurisdictions which have abolished the concept of a felony often substitute instead the concept of an indictable offence, i.e. an offence which requires an indictment. Traditionally an indictment was handed down by a grand jury, but most common law jurisdictions (with the exception of those in the United States) have abolished grand juries.


For the record, Stan Mitchell's entire police record has not been posted on this site. I have copies of all his charges and will be more than happy to post those charges once the trial has concluded.

I would think again about the fact that there are many more boys to testify on Stan's behalf. We will see in court just how many boys are willing to come from around the country to testify that the abuse did occur.

Why don't you all face the facts!!! The more the Mitchell's deny it the worse it is. The more I will fight to ensure that the law incurs the maximum punishment allowed.

I have a question, if the Mitchell's are so innocent then why did their first attorney request>> if the families would drop this that the Mitchell's would write a letter of apology, leave the state, and never start a school again?

Furthermore, We have requested repeatedly for the Mitchell's to take a lie detector test. Why do they keep affording this?

[justice_seeker (justice_seeker)]

Excuse me, I mean't avoiding, not affording>>>>

[mitchells_mom (mitchells_mom)]

Why don't your sons take lie detector tests????

By the way, those tests are not admissible in court.

You nor I will determine the outcome of guilt or innocence. In the United States of America, a person is innocent until proven guilty. NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. The people on this site will not determine that guilt or innocence. It must be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to twelve jurors

Leigh and Stan are aware of this site - but they do not read it. She has in fact asked me to no longer read and post to this site. I intend to honor her wishes.

FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART, I WISH TO ALL OF YOU, FRIEND AND FOE ALIKE, THAT YOU FIND THE PEACE OF GOD IN YOUR HEARTS. MAY ALL OF THE BOYS THAT ATTENDED THE SCHOOL THROUGH ALL OF THE YEARS BE BLESSED. GOD'S LOVE AND PEACE TO ALL.

[fact_seeker (fact_seeker)]

Guess they don't wish to comment on the school's license. Once again they have avoided answering something that proves how they have lied to all and are continuing to lie. I highly doubt that being under oath with make much difference to them.

The peace and love of a loving God is within in. My God will not allow me to treat even the worst of enemies the way these people treated children.

[justice_seeker (justice_seeker)]

Mitchells mom,

Do you not read or what?

Below I am copying my post from Wednesday August 10, 2005 - 2:32 pm in reference to your comment from today: "Why don't your sons take lie detector tests????"



justice_seeker (justice_seeker)
Member
Username: justice_seeker

Post Number: 79
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 70.144.36.123
Posted on Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 2:29 pm:

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To anyone that insists on knowing the details,

I am not answering questions pertaining to this until it is all out in the open in court. So you can ask all the questions you want-I will not answer.

I will say this - as for a polygraph>>we have stated from the beginning that we had no problem in taking a polygraph>>>we have absolutely nothing to hide.

The purpose of all of this is to warn other people so they can protect their children and not make the same mistakes I did. (Trusting the Mitchells) Yes! I want JUSTICE for my son and the other children involved.

Try to be objective,

My time is very valuable>> I do not have time to point out all your comments, to give you an example though>>> " do have problems understanding the "200 licks" that a boy received from the accused. Those licks either were very gentle and used as the Chinese torture method the Chinese used with water or someone seems to be exaggerating. It would only take a few good licks on my bottom; when I was young, to make me want to pass out or stop counting. How in the world did the boy count up that many licks. I guess the boy had a witness to stand there and count the licks just in case they wanted to go to charge the accused. Please see how this may be seen by a jury."
There are answers to this that would explain; I will say there are witnesses. Yes! A jury will want to know and a jury will get the answers. By your comment it sounds to me like you doubt it.

My son and family have been through a lot regarding this, so yes I take it personal when anyone comes on here acting, as they know what took place.

The way I see it is my son and these children are being victimized all over again by people making accusations and calling them names. Just for your info. I am not saying that you called them names. But in other words you may as well be calling them liars “someone seems to be exaggerating”.

The test may not be admissible in court, but they would tell if Stan and Leigh are lying.

Yes! A jury will have to determine if the Mitchell's are guilty or not. However, I know what I know>>I do not need a jury to tell me that they are guilty>>I need a jury to convict them.

FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART, I ALREADY KNOW THEY ARE QUILTY.

[shadow_knows (shadow_knows)]

<font color="aa00aa"><font face="verdana,arial,helvetica"><font size="+1">On Sunday, August 7, 2005, mitchells_mom said ""I will only be posting to Factnet one more time after this entry. At that time, I will give everyone the location of a new website that I am starting for Stan and Leigh. Well, not only did she post <u>4 TIMES</u> after that (up until now) http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/yawn.gif, but in none of those posts did she give the URL of the "new website" she is supposedly starting! http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/uhoh.gif Surely she wouldn't lie? After all, she is LEIGH's mother! http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/lame.gif Seems to me like the whole crowd is all http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/talker.gif!!!!!
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[fact_seeker (fact_seeker)]

The next court date has been set for January 9, 2006.

[snappy (snappy)]

Thanks fact seeker for the update. Keep us informed. What is the hold up on the trial?

[fact_seeker (fact_seeker)]

Snappy,

I would really love to answer your question, but I am not at liberty to do so at this moment.

You will understand in time.

[justice_seeker (justice_seeker)]

Fact Seeker,

Thank you for being discreet.

Snappy,

Please understand we are not trying to hide anything. There are reasons! As far as I am concerned>>once everything is out in the open in court I will answer every question anyone has ever had on here or will have. As a matter of fact I cannot wait until I can let the truth out.

Please pray for our boys and their families!

[fact_seeker (fact_seeker)]

http://www.parentsunitedtogether.com/page49.html

[fact_seeker (fact_seeker)]

The court date January 9th was an error by court clerk.

Court date will be February 6, 2006.

Sorry for the confusion.

(Message edited by fact seeker on December 20, 2005)

[fact_seeker (fact_seeker)]

The next court date has been set for 4/3/2006.

[mouse]

so what's happening?

[fact_seeker]

The next court date has been scheduled for Tuesday May 30, 2006.

[fact_seeker]

I found this post on another message board on the internet. I found it interesting to know the thoughts on corporal punishment from someone that is not involved with this case.....

Consider it as it is, as these were not my words, but words of a stranger...a stranger to ALL of us.

"Even though Dallas, Houston, and other big cities in Texas have given up paddling students, east Texas still worships the paddle. They go against 60 years of research that says that hitting kids is not a viable means of communication. They misquote the Bible's New Testament teachings to justify humiliating, demeaning, and causing physical harm to students. Parents that bruise their children go to court but schools have teacher immunity laws that protect them from being prosecuted for abusing children. In schools that use paddling, you will find teachers that do not respect other people's children, the learning environment is dismal, and teachers have long since forgotten various teaching methods. My child has had almost five years of straight lecture classes, where kids are supposed to sit all day long and listen. Seems like teachers forget that lecture is the least desirable method of teaching as it requires no participation from students and that rote learning is the lowest level of learning. It is no wonder to me why these students are bored out of their minds. Not one time has my child come home and been excited about a homework assignment. Very few times has a special event happened in class that has attracted her attention. Adults would be bored with eight hours of lecture with five minute breaks, sitting in those hard chairs all day long, five days a week. Schools that use intimidation and humiliation as a means of control do not offer a positive learning envirnment that encourages children to learn and does nothing to motivate them. It's sad that this is allowed in the United States since it is against the law to hit your slave, your prisoner, your wife, your dog, but you can hit other people's children and it is not considered assault."

[fact_seeker]

Newest court date showing is 10/16/06

[fact_seeker]

newest court date showing is 1/8/07

[try_to_be_objective]

Hello all. Guess it has been a while since I have posted. Believe it has been over a year and a few months. Since then I have been going to college for a few semesters and became side tracked with other events. Actually, I was thinking this case with the Mitchell's would have been done and over by this time. I had a new class that involved subject matter such as this case has in its arena. I went to the last two showings for this case to be an observer and they were post-poned and rolled over to a new date. My new class involves Child Psychology and the laws that deal with children in court cases.

What is going on with this case?
I found out that two of the boys, Rex and Jeremy,are in the hospital. Does this have anything to do with the Mitchell's?
It is strange they are in the hospital at the same time. Did they do something incriminatory and basically stupid; such as get on or back on(from what I heard) illegal narcotics? Was there a car accident? What is the deal? It would be nice to hear from someone on the other side. Seems there's not many from the other side that are coming or showing up to the last court showings. Therefore, I do not have much information to use for the assignments in my class.
sincerely,
try_to_be_objective

[justice_seeker]

Try to be objective,

I do not know where you are getting your information from regarding Rex and Jeremy. The majority of the information in your last comment about them is absolutely false. I would really love to know where you are getting your false information from. If, you are going to college and studying on cases such as this then I am sure you are familiar with what is called slander?

Quite frankly, not really knowing who you are I do not see where this is any of your business. This is not about you and the fact that you need more information for your assignment for class. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT LIVES HERE THAT HAVE BEEN DESTROYED BY CHILD ABUSERS!!!!! BY YOU MAKING COMMENTS ABOVE ONLY PROVES YOUR IGNORNACE AS TO WHAT TOOK PLACE. FURTHERMORE, BY YOUR COMMENTS IN THE PAST PROVES TO ME THAT YOU ARE TOTALLY ON THE MITCHELL'S SIDE. STOP FISHING FOR INFORMATION FOR THE MITCHELL'S.

AS FOR THE REST OF YOUR COMMENTS I WILL REFRAIN FROM STATING ANYTHING REGARDING THE FACTS UNTIL COURT.

AS THE MOTHER OF REX I ASK THAT YOU REFRAIN FROM SLANDERING HIM WITH FALSE ACCUSATIONS.

[fact_seeker]

This must be in response to yet another upcoming court day next Monday 2/26.... Are you fishing for something here Mitchell followers?

Go to court and get your answers...ALL THE TRUTHFUL ANSWERS, BECAUSE BELIEVE IT OR NOT, OBJECTIVE, YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT REALLY HAPPENED IN THAT HOME!

And furthermore, before you post again, please be sure you KNOW what you are talking about. You, once again, are dead wrong.

You've already been brainwashed, and have no idea!!

[fact_seeker]

Next court date shown is 4/9/07.

[fact_seeker]

Next court date shown is 4/9/07.

[fact_seeker]

newest court date showing is 5/29/07

[rlg]

Hey you all want the facts? I was there for three years! I have been to Leigh's mothers house in willmington NC. I along with the other boys that were there at the time helped build the house I yanceyville. This is no joke or prank! I wrote to the detectives handling the case! My mother and stepfather even worked there for a shot time! All of you that are defending them SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELVES!!! I am so angry that you are defending them I KNOW YOU SAW THE TRUTH!!! I want to be heard! I am sorry that I did not know where to go tell what really happened there! I wanted to forget it all! I am 24 and still have NIGHTMARES about what I went through I no longer believe in god or those that follow him! I WILL BE HEARD AND WILL STAND WITH ALL OF THE MOTHERS AND FATHERS THAT SENT THEIR KIDS THERE! I WAS THERE FROM 1996 UNTIL 1999 I WANT TO TESTIFY AGAINST THEM BUT IT SEEMS THAT I HAVENT BEEN CALLED! WHY IS THAT ? I CAN ALMOST TELL WHO SOME OF YOU ARE THAT ARE WRITING IN THIS BLOG BECAUSE I KNEW YOU. I was with them when they were in Friendship Baptist! anybody care that I am one of those boys that WAS ABUSED!
LIKE I SAID I AM 24 I THOUGHT I GOT AWAY. BUT YOU CANT JUST ERASE YOUR MIND NOW CAN YOU? LETS TALK ABOUT FACTS YOU ALL THINK YOU KNOW THEM? I LIVED THERE IN A TRAILER IN YANCEYVILLE! I WANT TO TALK ANYBODY CARE TO LISTEN? WHY NO COURT INVITES TO ME?

[rlg]

P.S. I'LL TAKE A LIE DETECTOR TEST! ! ! And to comment on why they would take their kids to court with them. Nathan and Jordan mitchell were there when I was and they saw what happened all the time so they are now numb in thinking that what went on was bad! I have personaly seen them go through boys packages from home and keep what they wanted ( under stan and or leighs supervision of course ). So going to court and hearing them talk about these things is no shock to them. I was Abused! They used to take us to daycares and churches late at night sometimes untill 1 or 2 in the am to clean them for money and they would feed us Krispy Kreme donuts for dinner.(Hmmm? sugar rush maybe? Don't get me wrong the cleaning was not abuse, the fact that we were out late in the morning, fed horribly, and pushed to far at their expense WAS! I have all of these memories flooding back to me as I write so I am sorry if I seem all ove the place. I saw kids run away and get hurt, one of which ( Michael) was involed in a car crash because he stole a car to try to get away! Yes I know stealing a car is against the law but if you were there and had a little bit of street smarts you would have run away too! I on the other hand didn't have any street smarts, see I was raised in church. Shocking I know but I am sure the next question is; Why were you sent then? Well I was 13 and My Uncle was the pastor of mountain view baptist church in Jackson Hole, WY. His wife is my mothers sister, she convinced my mom to send me because I didn't seem to be filled with the lord, I at 13 didn't like to do chores!
so my mother sent me across the U.S. to this school. I have never been arressted, expelled , done drugs , or anything that would have need to send me to a boys school, but my mother feeling like her sister was "full of god" and knew best. Needless to say I and my mother no longer speak to each other and after her and my stepdad went to work there they realized what wrong they had done and appologized. I have no more time right now but I will be on again!

[justice_seeker]

rlg,

Here is the information you need to contact the District Attorney:

Gary Frank 336-249-0373

Gary is the District Attorney on this case. Please call him immediately. It is hard to get him to the phone. Tell the receptionist that it is regarding the case against Stan and Leigh Mitchell. Also, you can ask for Rob Taylor he is the Assistant District Attorney.

I apologize that I did not post the information before now. I have not looked at this board in a while.

Please Post on this board again and let me know if you were able to speak with them.

I am one of the mothers of a boy that was in their home too! I believe you!

[rlg]

Seeker,
Thanks for the #'s I actually found them after I posted last, I am going to call him Monday and see what is going on and why I have not been called. I hope that you had a chance to read all of what I have posted so far but believe me when I say, That was just the tip of the Iceburg!
I am glad to see people are still here I felt that maybe I was too late. I will say outside of this I am still in shock to see " Family and Friends" defending them! Trust me seeker when they see me they will have wished that I had fallen off of the face of the earth, I am sorry though that I didn,t say anything sooner. Like I said before this is not an easy thing to be open about, but now its not just about me it's about all of the kids before and after me. When the see me again they will remember me and now the truth will come out! I am no longer a minor! I can speak for myself and hold them accountable for what they did to me! I will post again later.

[fact_seeker]

RLG,

No, you are not to late. This case is still pending in the courts.

Matter of fact the next court date is Aug. 13th.

[justice_seeker]

rlg,

Thank you for being brave enough to come forward. Even though I am not one of the boys, I have witnessed first hand what this has done to my son. I see his pain daily and I know how hard all of this is.

Please let me know on here if you make contact with the DA's office.

For now we will stay in touch on this site.

I only know of 3 posts you have put on here. Is this correct? Am I missing some post?

[rlg]

Justice,
I called the DA's office and he said that he would call me back, but He hasn't. He also said that the case was winding down and didn't know if my help would sway the case on way or another. So I have no clue what will happen. wierd though that he doesn't seem to want my help?

[fact_seeker]

My opinion is that they feel they have plenty of evidence in this case to prosecute.

We, the mothers and children involved, do know that you are being truthful and wish to help.

I pray that you will find the peace of a loving God and that someday your relationship with your parents will be resolved. If you allow the anger of what Stan and Leigh Mitchell did to you to cost you your family, he has once again won.

You're parents realized that they were wrong, as the group of mothers that have done the same, I ask you to please re-examine your feelings towards your parents.

Everyone was duped by this couple. Many still are. Your parents realized there mistake, just like we have, and we work everyday to mend these relationships.

Do not allow them to win by staying apart from your family that loves you. You will be in my prayers and I hope that one day you'll be able to put this behind you and the first step for that is forgiving your mother for sending you to this home.

She did what she was told would be best, she trusted and was lied to...that was not her fault. It was the fault of the cult that leads them. This is why there are 5 counts of felony child abuse against this couple.

There is nothing Godly about that home. Please understand that God loves his children, and you are one of them. I pray you will find the peace you need, and the power to forgive.

[justice_seeker]

rlg,

Give me until Monday and hopefully I will have some answers.

My suggestion and by all means you do what is best for you. In know way do I want to be accused by anyone that I told you what to do.

Contact the Lexington Police Department, GO IN PERSON! Ask for the head Detective over the child abuse department. Give your statement and make sure that they make a copy for you to keep. Do not let an officer take your statement, make sure it is a Detective over child abuse. There are reasons for this that I can not discuss now. Make sure to tell them there is an ongoing case against them. If, I were you I would demand that charges be brought against the ones that abused you.

Once, you go in person to the Police Department and put your statement in writing. They can not ignore it, plus you have proof.

[rlg]

well seeker the only pronlem with that is I am in portsmouth, va. Its a little harder for me to go there but like I said before I have now called and left messages for the DA and he hasn't returned my calls. I mean at least a thanks but we have enough evidence or something would do, you know?
Either way I will seek alternate methods, someone wants to know I'm sure of it, its just finding the one that will listen.

[justice_seeker]

rlg,

I can assure you we parents are listening.

I can not explain to you what is going on right now. I will do every thing in my power to make sure you do not fall through the cracks.

Again, I do not want to be accused of telling you what to do, it is up to you.

Since, you live out of town go to your local Police Department ask for their Detective that handles child abuse cases. Explain to them it is hard for you to get to Lexington's Police Department. Ask them can their Detective take your statement and work with Lexington's Police Department. I am sure that your local Police Department will have no jurisdiction over Lexington. However, I am hoping they can help you start the process and work with Lexington.

Rlg, I realize the difficulty in getting to Lexington. We parents have made the trip many times. Unfortunately, I am afraid if you do not go in person there will be no way anyone can help you. Victims have to tell their own story in person for several reasons: to be taken seriously, for you to have proof you did attempt to press charges, and to validate your story.

You can try this as well: Call 1-800-222-8131 and ask for Detective Tammi Britt, this is at the Lexington Police Department. If, you get her voice mail leave a message. I have spoken with her and she is expecting your call. There is no statue of limitations on you pressing charges. There is a process though and she can help you with this.

Again, please let me know if she helps you.

[rlg]

seeker,
I was called by detective Mann of the LPD, and he said that I would have to file through the yanceyville PD. He seems to be a person that will try to help.

[justice_seeker]

rlg,

I do not know a Detective Mann. From my understanding Detective Tammi Britt is the person assigned to case.

[justice_seeker]

rlg,

Was you able to get in contact with anyone? Can they do anything to help you?

[fact_seeker]

The next court date showing is 10/8/07.

[rlg]

seeker,
In talking to the detectives, it seems that I am no help to you. They said that If I wanted to I could file a seperate case against them with yanceyville pd but thats all that I can do.

[snappy]

rlg, I know you real well, you would know exactly who I am also but I don't want to tell you on here. I hope you're doing alright, I would like to talk to you away from this site just to say hey and check in .

[fact_seeker]

Just a thought.....yahoo allows you to make a "temporary" email address.

Nice to see you Snappy....Been a long road for all of us.

[justice_seeker]

rlg,

From what I understand about the law>>>

When a crime has been committed you have to press charges with the appropriate police dept. in which the crime took place. I believe this is why they can not help you.

FYI>> After reading what I posted to you above I realized I was saying Lexington Police Dept. Actually, it is the Davidson County Police Dept. What happen to my son took place in Arcadia, NC and Davidson County has jurisdiction over Arcadia.

Did they not say you could at least testify as to what happen to you in the Mitchell's care? In my opinion you are a witness and I do not feel that they can deny that.

Again, it is your choice as to what you want. If, you decide to press charges and if they will allow it we will be there for you.

I wish there was some way we could talk. I would like to know you are okay and that you are not alone. However, I have been cautious about many things because I do not want anything to be held over our heads that could hurt us.

Please let me know what you decide to do only if you want to. For now our form of communication will be here. I have some things in the works that I can not discuss and when I feel it is safe maybe then we can talk or meet in person.

I do not come on this board often. So if you post and I do not respond quickly>>remember I am still here and will respond in time.

LET'S NOT FORGET THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN HURT BY THIS HORRIBLE CRIME AND THOSE WHO HAVE LOSS LOVED ONES AS A RESULT. IT IS TIME THAT WE ALL STAND TOGETHER AND FIGHT FOR VICTIMS RIGHTS. VICTIMS WHO CONTINUE TO BE VICTIMIZED BY AN UNJUST SYSTEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[fact_seeker]

the next court date is scheduled for 12/10/07.

[rlg]

Hey, so its been a while since I have posted. Chiefly because they said I cannot testify due to the fact that I was not there during this investigation, however I can press charges in a seperate case. I am not going to unless they somehow come out unscathed. as for now I will once again suppress these feelings ( some scabs are better left unpicked )Snappy I have no idea who you are. ( But for giggles send me an email rhall757@yahoo.com) As I look up at the other posts I see Mitchells sister! I hope thats leighs sister Lori Black , because she slept with one of the boys Justin Corsen to be exact. LOL That is not a lie either. I am sick to my stomach when I am on here because these are memories that I do not want to deal with, so I will post again later. viva la revolution

[believeitornot_itsjustme]

Mitchell's Mom-
Can I have the website that you had spoken of?
you can email it to me at sidlarmac@aol.com

thanks

[justice_seeker]

April 09. 2008 9:00AM

Former Christian school leaders receive probation





BY GLEN BAITY
The Dispatch


The former proprietors of a Christian boys' school accused of child abuse have signed a deferred prosecution agreement, bringing an end to a lengthy investigation process.

Earl Stanley Mitchell and Lucinda Mitchell, who ran the Abounding Grace School for Boys in Arcadia, will complete an 18-month supervised probation and a five-year unsupervised probation in lieu of active sentences.

District Attorney Garry Frank said the agreement was the best option "based on an evaluation of all the evidence and all the possibilities that might result from a jury trial."

During that time, they will be subject to a number of restrictions. The Mitchells will be prohibited from teaching or supervising a child under 18 in a residential setting; being employed by or volunteering in a facility where they would supervise or teach a person under the age of 18; or teaching or supervising anyone under age 18 in an educational nonresidential setting, unless pre-approved by the officials in charge of those activities.

The Mitchells signed the agreement Monday.

If either of the Mitchells violates the terms, Frank said, prosecution would move forward. Lucinda Mitchell would face two felony child abuse charges, and Earl Stanley Mitchell would face three felony child abuse counts. Each charge carries a maximum term of 98 months, or about 8 years, in prison.

Those charges stem from complaints filed against the couple in 2004 alleging abuse at Abounding Grace. Accusers said students at the school were paddled excessively and denied regular bathroom use, among other abuses.

The Mitchells have repeatedly denied those charges in the past.

Glen Baity can be reached at 249-3981, ext. 227, or glen.baity@the-dispatch.com.