Southern Baptists

[anns]

The Southern Baptist "church" probably best represents a religious cult in its most devious form. It was founded on racism, separating from mainstream Baptists on the basis of not recogonizing the humanity of dark skinned peoples, regardless of the fact that we are all children of God. The cult has then taken it upon itself to claim both God and country, declaring anyone not a member of their totalitarian constituency to be both a traitor and damned to hell. There's no love or Christianity in this sect. These same tendencies are basically true of most so called evangelical Christians in the sense that the term is currently in use.

[arron]

i used to belong to an independent baptist church and we had a prayer meeting once at a house. there was a balck woman who came and she was made to sit on the front porch she could not come in where the rest of us were i felt then that that was wrong. she could have come in and added to the service.

[dondi]

anns that could be said of any denomination. I myself am southern baptist but we do not adhere to the conventions laws. We are indepentant. Ive been around alot of different denominations that claim they are the only way.

[bluewater2]

Arron. That story you told disgusts me. If you stayed in that meeting while she was made to sit outside, I am extremely dissappointed in you. Your prayers mean nothing.

[dondi]

Man arron I do hate to agree with blue on just about anything. If there was ever a african american to come to a prayer meeting and was told to sit outside, at the very least I would leave and not come back.

[bluewater2]

What is funn, Dondi, is that you and I probably agree on about 95% of the things that matter like love, honesty, sharing, giving, peace, family, etc. We only disagree on the existance of god. It is a shame that because of that one difference you find it necessary to say, "Man arron I do hate to agree with blue on just about anything." What a shame.

[arron]

dondi and blue water the incident that i spoke of happened alomg time ago wheni was first saved. i did not know anything much about the bible. after i was in CHRIST for a while i did learn and now i would not allow it to happen, neiether would it happen in my church today (pentecostal) i did not say it happened recently. you both have judeged me wrongfuly we have blacks that attend our church and i attend theirs. iwas speaking of a denomanation wo did those things . i no longer attend there. havent for years.

[bluewater2]

We judged you correctly for the information you gave.

[arron]

then you should have asked of more info before you judged

[dondi]

true Arron I should have delved deeper into it before I judged you. I do hope you can forgive for I am apologizing. You nwould have to know me and my background to know why I jumped on the racism bandwagon.

[arron]

i do forgive and accept.
it was just a mistake

[actvthinkr]

I went to a Southern Babtist church ro three years as a youngster. They taught that if you sat on any other pew than the first one, you were going to hell because you were guilty of something. Also the pastor "Brother Bill" molested his two granddaughters, and when it came out in church, the congregation wailed on how brother bill was deceived by the devil, and not one word was mentioned about the two lives he hurt. The congregation took food to his home and prayed for him. The little girls on the other hand, were not mentioned or given anything, not even an apology.

[arron]

i do not think all baptist are this way and maybe some have even changed in the way of racisim. i pray they have. as i said i am pentecostal and my church has blacks that come and we go to their church too. i have a biracial grandchild, who my daughter and son in law adopted almost 7 years ago. he is loved by all in our family and in our church. he is handicapped. i asked prayer for him on ther threads and GOD touched him he is doing fine now, we can all live together in harmony if we try.

[angie0401]

You know, every church has those who go against the basic morals of humanity, much less the true beliefs of the Christian faith. It is unfair to make a blanket judgment based on one pastor of one church.
I am a member of the Southern/First Baptist church and none of the things I have seen on this thread would ever be tolerated. My fellow members are wonderful, loving Christians who welcome everyone - and I mean EVERYONE - with the love of Christ.

By the way, I often sit on the back pew and have never once been told I was "going to hell"! As a matter of fact, it's a bit of a running joke in all Baptist churches about being "good Baptists" - you know, the ones that sit in the back. In our church, the only ones who sit on the front pews are the pastor, the minister of music and his family, and the youth minister & his family. I'm pretty sure they aren't the only ones Heaven bound. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

[terluvire]

<font color="0000ff">HI Angie and arron,

I agree, you have good and bad in all denominations. It is unfair to lump a whole group in a bad light because of the actions of a few.</font>

[the_apostolic_truth_ministries]

As I posted to a Mr. Bear in another thread, I carefully check each religion before condemning it. The best advice anyone can give would be for you to do the same. Mr. Arron has never been in a Baptist church, nor a real church for that matter. He listens to what his preacher tells him as though it were the gospel.

The really sad part of this thread is the fact that not one single (im)poster to date has read even the title page of their own Bible. Yet these same (im)posters set themselves up as judge, jury and executioners.

No, I am not associated with the SBC. I did take the time to do the research, though.

[arron]

hey so called apsotlic,,, i did belong to a baptist church when i was first saved , i did go to a real church and i go to a real church now.... i dont know if you belong to anything but you sure have a distorted view of things in the bible. and you judge with out knowing what you are talkiing about i have been saved (by THE BLOOD OF JESUS ) for many years and will still be saved when HE comes for me you can research all you want but if you dont ever come to the truth you WILL go to hell, you do believe in hell dont you? and do you believe in THE FATHER AND THE SON AND THE HOLY GHOST? do you believe HE (JESUS ) DIED AND WAS BURIED AND CAME OUT OF THE GRAVE FOR US . now you judge alll you want but know this I AM SAVED AND GO TO A REAL CHURCH AS I HAVE EVER SINCE I HAVE BEEN SAVED.

[arron]

and oh yes not apostolic... i do read GODS WORD THE BIBLE every day and i read it through and not only read it but study STUDY it, i ask you a question do you go to church? are you saved? do you just stay at home and study up on different religions so you can say something about them you are judging me and that is wrtonfg especially when you can prove nothing of what you say. this is not a matter of doctrine but of plain judeing people. perhap i would have belived some things you say but not now as you are just a judge and never a brother or sister whichever you are.

[angie0401]

Good post, apostolic. You are absolutely right, the SBC doesn't have any control over the associated churches. If we are unhappy with our pastor (which we aren't - he's great), we have the ability to terminate his employment and find another pastor. People are just so quick to make blanket judgements, rather than take the time to research things for themselves. Thank you for doing so.

[the_apostolic_truth_ministries]

M(r)(s). Angie0401:

If the SBC had any control over their member churches, Bill Clinton would not be Southern Baptist! If you know what I mean.

Your Ever Humble Servant,
Rev. Sandy Bryant DD.
Counter-cult Apologist

[the_apostolic_truth_ministries]

Mr. Arron:

You have yet to deal with the lunacies of your own religion. Your religion lied to you about its origins. They lied about who founded them. They lied about their dealings with other races. Now step to the plate for once and acknowledge the truth, your religion continues to play you like a well oiled fiddle.

By the by, the founder of your religion (Charles Fox Parham) and the author of your religion's Bible (Finis Jennings Dake) were both proud members of the KKK. You may choose to do some research? Ask Dr. Fredrick K.C. Price his opinion of your religion's Bible. Dr. Price has underlined all the racial slurs in Dake's Bible.

[arron]

i use the kjv. i have always used it just plain kjv. i have different commenteries, i have a dakes bible , a full life study bible a scholfied bible, and several other commentrrir bibles. i do not tak all of the words that man says in these commenteries. .. i will say this i do not listen to nor recomend fredrock k c. price to any one i dont listen too nor agree with him he himself is racist and i do not believe in racism, i am white but we have blacks that come to our churhc and i am friends with them. we both the blacks and myself know we are saved and dont need some racist to tell is anything. we dont need you to tell us either as you dont know what you are talking about and is a racisit yourself.

[the_apostolic_truth_ministries]

Face it, Mr. Arron, you lack the manhood to deal with the myths of your religion!

[candice101]

<font size="+1"> I use to belong to a SBC ,but all the hypocracy &amp; the money changing in the church made me sick.Now I know that each person isn't perfect but Jesus did not approve of money changers in the house of his father back then in the temple square nor does he now, you can go to a Christian store &amp; buy, but mainly I could no longer go there after learning the true meaning of christmas &amp; paganisim &amp; them still having christmas decorations with a huge tree which GOd forbids us to asosciate with pagan holidays, his son wasn't born in dec &amp; it is a discrace today to teach that he was! So I left. I am now a happy Jehovah's Witness,unbaptized, but reguraly attend. It is my choice &amp; to me it's the truth.</font>}}

[the_apostolic_truth_ministries]

Hello M(s). Candice101:

Do you know the group you are with is a cult? Do you know that group denies the deity of Jesus Christ? Do you know the origins of the Watchtower Bible &amp; Tract Society?

Your Ever Humble Servant,
Rev. Sandy Bryant DD.
Counter-cult Apologist

[arron]

NOT APOSTOLIC.... hey i still have JESUS, I HAVE THE FATHER THE SON AND THE HOLY GHOST. you are so full of book learning and things from sources other than the BIBLE WHICH IS THE GUIDE BOOK FOR US all, tat you are just an arugmentive rat that just wants to argue. you will as the saying goes ague with a sign post. in your way of thinking no one is right but you. if a person is svaed, has had a born again experiance with JESUS they are my brother or sister IN CHRIST.

[las]

Does anybody ever listen to the watchman on the wall...I get this on our Christian radio station
I do believe it is southern Baptist linked?
They speak very good &amp; I believe much that is said is correct It's hard to believe the S.B would be like a cult as described here?

[las]

I use to belong to a SBC ,but all the hypocracy &amp; the money changing in the church made me sick.Now I know that each person isn't perfect but Jesus did not approve of money changers in the house of his father back then in the temple square nor does he now, you can go to a Christian store &amp; buy, but mainly I could no longer go there after learning the true meaning of christmas &amp; paganisim &amp; them still having christmas decorations with a huge tree which GOd forbids us to asosciate with pagan holidays, his son wasn't born in dec &amp; it is a discrace today to teach that he was! So I left. I am now a happy Jehovah's Witness,unbaptized, but reguraly attend. It is my choice &amp; to me it's the truth.
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A SB turning JW can that be?It's hard to believe
the teaching of each are so differant

[truth_child]

why hasnt tatm attacked the baptist church as he does anything that is pentecostal he lies on them all the time. i dont talk about the baptis but any way he is nothing for hr want tell what church he belongs to