Where are the five fold ministers now

[biddle j (192.146.101.24)]

I too have often wondered what happened to those in the ministry at Faith Assembly. Bruce Kensey, Steve Hill and others does anyone know? Also on one of these web sites I read that Ray Boltz was affiliated with Faith Assemby, does anyone know how, or where he attended. I attended one of the bodies in Ky and we had a teacher who flew down or drove once a week to teach us the pure word (Their version of it at least) I went through many hard times and turmoil as a result of my envolvement with this group. It has taken yrs to overcome the error I was fed there. I do agree in the early yrs the teaching was good but the longer it went the farther off the path the teachings became. As for those who say it was the pure word to the end. I say you must not have been listening to the messages. At one point Hobart even said if you walk away from this word you are lost, well praise God I knew better, I got saved at home by myself with the help of no man so I was fully aware that my salvation rested on nothing less than Jesus and his shed blood. It is statements like the one referred to above that truly qualified Faith Assembly as a cult. If salvation is based on anything other than what Jesus did on the cross for us, it is heresey. To all those who are still suffering all I can say get in the Bible and read about how much God loves you. He is not mad at you and the reason he sent his Son to die was so you could come to him without fear of judgment. So talk to him and tell him how you feel he already knows but it will sure help you. God bless each and every one of you who are still struggling with this bondage that was laid upon you by the leadership of FA.

[DR. ALLEN WILSON (69.111.115.242)]

does anyone have videos of hobart freeman teaching?

[drallen_wilson (drallen_wilson)]

mark1124 freeman helped me through the shepherdship fiasco. why do you ask? assuming the negative?

[drallen_wilson (drallen_wilson)]

freeman helped me think for myself and stand against popularized error. he was a brilliant communicator.I miss him alot. as far as faith and doctors,its a sad issue.I'm not against doctors.My faith can't be in another persons head.

[yahshua (yahshua)]

My true servants are only found where a People have been raised up to truly live as one, loving one another just as I loved my brothers when I walked the earth as one man.

My true sents ones do not alter my words. They fulfill my command to make disciples by teaching them to observe and do all things that I commanded. My command is love, and my love when lived out makes my true people One, and bring my Community, my Holy Nation into being.

My People are on the earth again, and those whose hearts truly hunger to do my will now have a city of refuge, a home for the lonely, a People and royal priesthood to be part of. They can be found at www.TheLitmusTest.org (http://www.TheLitmusTest.org)

[doug (doug)]

RE: "YAHSHUA"
This is a teaching from the communities Apostle "Yoneq", otherwise known as Eugene Elbert Spriggs, that "YAHSHUA" (and David Alaxander in other places) in his above post is prosletizing for.


For more info see "Twelve Tribes" on this web site.

<font color="ff0000">Execution of Justice
(Letter from Elbert concerning discipline and the seed of Abraham)
The reason Isaac was so willing to let his father sacrifice him was because he had
been raised his whole life knowing that he did not belong to himself, but belonged to his
father, and he was not living for himself, but living for his father. Hephzibah is coming to
understand that she is living for her father and belongs to him. The other day she was
having great difficulty being obedient to his command: not to suck her thumb in bed.
Elbert asked her to stick out her thumb because he was going to cut it off. He took a
huge pair of scissors and came toward her. She was terrified, but (after receiving her
discipline) she willingly stuck out her thumb to be cut off rather than let it cause her to
stumble in her obedience to her father. Elbert didn’t actually cut it off, but he wants
Hephzibah to understand that it is better to have your hand cut off now rather than later.
He wants her to be saved.
It is absolutely necessary to raise our children to know that they do not belong to
themselves, but to their father. How else can they believe that they don’t belong to
themselves except by training them as our Heavenly Father trains us to believe this. We
only “regain our true life” if we lose our false and criminal life. Whoever wants to save
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his life will lose it, and whoever loses it for My sake shall find it. Abraham received back
the promise only after he had killed his only son the only son who could bring about the
promise. Abraham had faith to surrender his only heir. Abraham was tested. He endured
under trial to see whether he would obey (Heb 11:17-19; Gen 22:1; Jms 1:12). Abraham
obeyed by faith for he heard God say, “Abraham, take your son, your only son Isaac,
whom you love, and go sacrifice him.”
The error of “the local church” and many churches is in allowing doctrine to
substitute for obedience. We can do as they say, but not as they do, for they do not truly
discern the Body of Messiah though they have much wonderful doctrine. Without seeing
Gen 18:19, the Body of Messiah doesn’t make sense.</font>
Note: Elbert is not the little girls father but is the apostle of the community. I don't see a close resemblance to his lying to a little girl and teaching the faith that Abraham had in Isaac.

David responded on Dec 21
<font color="0000ff">I don't know anything about the above...but I DO KNOW that the truth that sets men free can be found at www.TheLitmusTest.org (http://www.TheLitmusTest.org)
It is for Christians Only. Truth will always be attacked. Those who are wise will not be put off by such things. The fact is, anyone who wants to see the fruit of our lives can visit us at anytime; and see that our children are some of the most wonderful on the whole earth. As the Word says, "wisdom is justified by her children". Sincerely, david</font>

My reply Dec 22
David
<font color="0000ff">I don't know anything about the above…</font>
Are you saying you don't know if Sprigs taught that and if it is one of the communities teachings or you don't know if there is anything wrong with what was alleged in the teaching CD that Jacob took from the community?


"Yahshua"
Was your apostle speaking from the holy spirit when he threatened with a large pair of scissors to cut off the terrified little girls thumb and did lying to her to scare her teach her the faith of Isaac with Abraham? Is that why Isaac trusted his father? Because someone terrified him with a lie?

[ex_yathed (ex_yathed)]

BEWARE!!!and be aware!

ex_yathed (ex_yathed)
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Posted on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 - 7:12 pm:

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I just saw on another page of the Religious Cults and Sects page that David Alexander(aka Daveed Derush) is evangelizing (recruiting) all over this web site with links to their newest "Free Papers"(Litmus Test). Its from a computer in Georgia so he is either at their Savannah or Brunswick community.

So, if you dont know, the Twelve Tribes are considered a high control destructive fundamentalist group (cult) by countless professionals and Cult experts.

[ex_yathed (ex_yathed)]

As you can see, David Derush has taken my warnings to all the boards as a chance to recruit for his cult which claims they are the Only Ones and the Only Way and if your not with them, your going to the Lake of Fire for eternity or to the first death to pay for your own sins if you can. They are just like the rest of the cults on the factnet boards.
To see both sides of the story go to
http://www.twelvetribes-ex.org/

or if you wish, you can contact me personally at exyathed@yahoo.com

[doug (doug)]

What I shared, David, is not slander and not falsely accusing you of evil but is the teaching of your apostle

I'll repeat my question to your denial of knowing about the teaching "Execution of Justice" (above post in red) from Sprigs AKA Yoneq your apostle.
Are you saying you don't know if Sprigs taught that and if it is one of the communities teachings or you don't know if there is anything wrong with what was alleged in the teaching CD that Jacob took from the community?

Your community claims to be the Twelve Tribes of Israel. If you are that makes your apostle much greater than any of the 12 each representing one tribe and puts him on par with Moses and Jesus/Yahshua.

[duncan (duncan)]

Going back to the original question (before all the garbage started), the last I heard of Bruce Kinsey was that he was selling cars in Syracuse, Indiana. In addition, as of a year or so ago, Steve Hill was a minister or associate pastor at Brownsville Assembly of God in Pensacola, Florida. Interestingly, the pastor of that church is also named Steve Hill.

Hope this helps.

[duncan (duncan)]

As an update to my last post, Steve Hill has his own website. It is http://www.sjhill.com

[drallen_wilson (drallen_wilson)]

looking for m.scaliotti mark 11:24

[mscaliotti (mscaliotti)]

Hi Allen

Sorry I didn't get back to you any sooner. I have stopped posting on this site because of the constant harassing, lying, deceptions, spiritual witchcraft and other unchristlike activities by fivefoldprophet. Everytime you post something and oppose him, he will give a false prophecy threat against you. So I had enough of him and stopped posting.

I still have my Paltalk room, which fivefold has been banned from, so we won't hear from him. You are welcome to join again. The room is opened on Mon Tue Thur and Sat at 8:30 pm Eastern time. Room name is Deeper Life and Discipleship and we are all being blessed by the word of God.

It's nice to see you again. I haven't heard from you in a long long time. I hope all is well with you, brother. I am glad to see that another person has been set free through the vessel that God chose to use, Dr. Freeman.

Please let me know if you want to communicate with me via email. I would rather not give you my email address here as it would be an invitation for the false prophet to try to get me to repent for things I never did, like calling Pres. Clinton gay, posting to pornographic websites, supporting the Iraq war, telling dirty jokes, claiming that Jesus died for me and not for him, and anything else that I am wrongly accused of. So anyhow, I'll talk to you later.

God bless

Mark
(formerly mark1124)

[hombre (hombre)]

Mark,

Thank you for your insight re: faithteaching.
I already figured that.
I had sought the Lord on it, and the understanding
of that was forthcoming.
Like a fingerprint, that writing style is readily recognizeable.

[a_barn_kid (a_barn_kid)]

Ray Boltz was indeed a member at Faith Assembly in Indiana under the teaching of Dr. Freeman. I attended the Barn/Tent/"new building"(Faith Assembly) as a child/teen and heard Boltz sing at the church.

[drallen_wilson (drallen_wilson)]

mscaliotti I tried to email you but it failed to go through

[mark1124 (mark1124)]

Allen, I am at mark1124@verizon.net. There may have been a problem with my email earlier. It should be ok now.

Try leaving me your email address too, so I can contact you.

[1faithassemblykid]

Jeff Barnett lives in PA and preaches in a 'normal' church. Gary Wilson lives in the Indy area and is not affiliated with any church.

[barn_kid]

Not sure what Bruce Kinsey is doing for a living now days..........but I do see his wife, Kathy, out jogging by the airport in Warsaw all the time......I drive by and have contemplated what in the world she is thinking about as her feet pound away at the pavement in all that silence.

Just guessing Bruce is quite a handful when he's not in "church mode"................