Would anyone be interested in a website for old members

[1faithassemblykid]

Here's what I was thinking.

I'd get a URL like www.faithassemblysurvivors.com (http://www.faithassemblysurvivors.com) or something similar.

Probably 3-4 tiered site.

1. We'd build a list of members from back in the day. This would be added to as new site visitors contribute. People could update what XYZ was doing last they met. Good way for people to get in touch with old friends, or just find out the gossip.

2. Share your experience. Whether good, or bad, people just post their stories.

3. Forums. These would be tough to moderate given the flamewars on this site already, but I think it could be done and still leave at least somewhat readable threads.

4. Links and help. Links to other cult/sect info, psychological help for damaged former members, etc along theses lines.

So, would anyone be interested?

[1faithassemblykid]

Followup, I think the running a site like this would be very therapeutic for me and probably for a lot of the other former FA kids, even if it's just 'getting their story off their chest.'

As always, sharing traumatic experiences with those who have been in similar situations is always helpful in the healing process.

I'd guess that there's quite a few people that have just suppressed a lot of it for years.

[healed]

Yeah thats a good idea man, I actually thought about that myself. There was a lady here considering making a book about the whole ordeal, I guess its in the progress. Some lady wrote a feel good book about it, I read it, nothing really in it exposes FA for what it really was, at least from a childs perspective. Alot of people dont want to talk about it, others still embrace it. over at the Tomax site several had complaints and vents but the recent post show a more supportive trend. I found out that there were alot of folks who went through FA and seem to be nostalgic about it.

[1faithassemblykid]

I doubt there are many kids that grew up in it (that don't still follow HEF) that are nostalgic about it.

As always, I could be wrong....

[healed]

Thats the whole point of most of my post. The children suffered needless while the adults got some kind of relegious junkie high out of it.

[duncan]

FA Kid,
If you've read my previous posts, you know that I grew up in FA in the late 70's and early 80's(1st grade - 8th grade).

First of all, I like the idea of some type of "reunion" website to find out where other are at in their life. Sort of like a "Classmates.com" for FA.

Second, I wouldn't say that I am nostalgic for some of the things that I endured as a child (no Christmas, no running shoes, no TV, no sports, etc, etc). I am a bit nostalgic for how simple my life was at that time. Fortunately, some FA kids lived across the street from us in Don Nei's trailer park. I would come home from school and play outside until dark. In the winter, I would ride our snowmobile for hours on end. Things were much slower back then. I think that is what I miss the most. It seems that I am always on the run now, and I wish I could just take a break every now and then.

Finally, I remember your dad singing, and I also remember his preaching. A two-hour sermon with 20 - 25 points is a long time to sit for a 10-year old!

Thanks for all your posts.

Duncan

[cougarxr72]

I definitely think it would be interesting to find out where everyone is in life and where they ended up. People came from all over to the church and it seems like they scattered, when it was dissolved. It amazes me that we spent so much time together as a group for 10-15 years and then most people just kind of slipped back into the woodwork so to speak. Of the group that I hung out with, I haven't seen any of them in probably 15+ years. Anyone know what happened to the Farrell kids? Their grandpa was one of the higher Assistant Pastors with Steve & Stan Hill if I recall correctly. I don't remember their dad's name. Ryan would be about 30 now I believe. Anyone remember the Morris'? I was working for a company a couple years ago and found out that their dad and one of the kids was working there.

[1faithassemblykid]

Marcia Farrell was the identical twin of Mrs. Mudd? Not sure about this one but I think it's close. It's going to take me a few months to get this going as work and personal obligations will monopolize my time till July 06 minimum. But I think it's a good idea and I will. Probably Aug '06 at the latest.


This isn't my job so I'm not underpromising overdelivering w. that so keep it in mind.

[barn_kid]

You mean Jack Farrell?

I just saw Chris Farrell lately.........just moved back to Warsaw. I understand her son just got married.

I'd definitely go to a FA reunion.........anyone think of having one of those?

[timhortonsman]

To answer your orignal question there already is moderated webisite deticated to FA.

http://www.tomax7.com/thoughts/faith_assembly.htm

click on the bottom to read peoples thoughts

And for those that still follow the message there is (and I'm not one of them)

http://overcomersonline.com/

(Message edited by timhortonsman on December 26, 2006)

(Message edited by timhortonsman on December 26, 2006)

[barn_kid]

I'm one of the original "barn kids".

First started attending in 1972....attended until 1985.

The latter years were harder than the first....being in school and being a "glory barner" was no cup of tea, let me tell you....but all in all, as a kid, I really liked going to church, the "community" that it was, and I did care about alot of friends and friends of my family that we knew there.

I'd love to know what has become of everyone....and I hope they are doing well.

I would definitely go to a website that might be somewhat of a "class reunion" for old Faith Assembly people....am praticularly interested in the people who actually attended the "main" church in Larwill under Dr. Freeman...

Just would like to know how everyone is.......:shrug:

[tomax7]

The problem with a website on FA would become one of heated debates "he said, she said" type thing.

I am willing to do such a site, and as a poster (timhortonsman -must be a canuck eh?) mentioned my site earlier http://www.tomax7.com/thoughts/faith_assembly.htm

Yes I moderate it, as I don't want it to become a pee'ing contest and bits and bytes wasteland.

[passin_thru]

Freedom of expression with a Freeman moderator, eh? Who’d guess Big Brother was Canadian!

Only FACTNet (religious cults and sects) is home of the genuine Hobart Freeman legacy, with no sugar coating of the falseness, destruction and death.

[healed]

Tomax is nothing more than a nostalgic Freemanite. Go to his site, 90% of the post you see there are supportive and nostalgic of all things Freeman. Unfortunate for him, the moderator at factnet isnt a dictator and we get to see the truth come out here.

[passin_thru]

Healed, yup, I went to Tomax7. It’s got a definite Freeman slant (e.g. "But does this mean the faith message and Faith Assembly were a cult or false? I don't believe so. While one can "justify" a cult mentality crept in, I believe there was a divine happening going on where God was present at the meetings.”) Bull! A ‘divine happening of God’ doesn’t leave dead bodies and broken lives in its wake.

There’s nothing wrong with people wanting to stay in touch and remembering their childhood. However, it is wrong to continue propagating the Freeman mystic. Whatever correct and good he taught can be had elsewhere, without the suffering and elitism.

Rachelengland in another thread wrote, “In Hobart's case I believe God allowed him to be an example of this foolish teaching.” She may be right. His death did have a poetic justice ring to it. If Freeman hadn’t died when he did, there’s no telling the final fate of FA. Things were definitely spiraling down at an ever-increasing rate. A ‘Jim Jones’ scenario is not beyond the realm of possibilities.

As far as FACTNet is concerned, like you said, “We get to see the truth come out here.” Freedom is very messy and fraught with blemishes, warts and peeing matches. But, no one has ever found a better way. Even the profane, dull and ignorant have their say. Everyone and everything viewed together, presents a pretty accurate representation of the subject.

As a side note, if Tomax7 wants to advertise his website on public forums such as FACTNet, then he may want to remove his business links. It could be construed as self-serving to market himself and his product line. I genuinely don't believe that's his intention.

[passin_thru]

Healed, take care. I think that’ll do it for me for a while. Like I said in my first post, I think it’s great you’ve stuck with it so long. I sure couldn’t do it.

The posts are a bit more than just the legacy of Hobart Freeman, dead man. They show the lasting effects of a cult, and as you’ve observed, new cults start up everyday. Who knows? Maybe FACTNet actually helps a few people from being ensnared by one.

Don’t let the cultists get to you, not that they can. They really do help make your case. Any impartial soul reading thru the posts can quickly tell from where people are coming. The cultists have hammered more nails into poor Hobart’s coffin then they can ever realize. As with most cults that rely on their leader’s persona, Faith Assembly died when Freeman did. The few remaining ‘overcomers’ are just final vestiges. As for Mark1124, he has personal issues that go way beyond Hobart Freeman.

Franklin and Rachelengland seem to be new to the Freeman threads. They have more than 7,000 posts between them. Maybe they’ll stick around for a while. They have a lot to offer.

Again, take care and God bless!

[mark1124]

Bye bye pass_thru. Enjoy your deceptions. I don't say "God bless you" to you though.

Good bye and good riddens. Hopefully the rest of the enemies will leave too.

[micah]

(hehe)
(bless those that curse you....)
(hehe)

[passin_thru]

I read FACTNet’s ‘Signs of a Destructive Cult’. Faith Assembly had virtually all the common cult properties. The few remaining FA faithful are still practicing some properties, even though Hobart Freeman and FA died more than twenty years ago.

I thought about something I read on the Tomax7 website, “I am saddened to hear about what happened to people there or even to this day how some cannot fellowship with other Christians or neglect personal hygiene like brushing their teeth because they think it is sin to go to the dentist. - heck I too thought that once.” I wondered why Tomax7 doesn’t have a website dedicated to the person who convinced him it was okay to brush his teeth. Now, there’s a leap of faith! Instead, he still praises the man who gave him the error.

Then I thought about something else Tomax7 wrote, “I believe there was a divine happening going on where God was present at the meetings.” Tomax7 expressed FA almost like a 1970’s colloquialism, “It was a happening, man!” Many other pro-FA posts have expressed similar feelings (e.g. Freeman’s unique strong word, not being able to find any church as good as FA, and longing for the days of FA).

Following Freeman and being a FA member made people feel special. They were taught they were the elite true Christians. Freeman taught them a different Christianity that was powerful and made them superior.

A lot of people want to feel special. A lot of people need to feel important. Some people even need to feel superior. These human frailties make people susceptible to cults. They desire it so much; they’ll risk life and limb not to lose it. To question the leader’s being special is to question their own special-ness. To disown him is tantamount to disowning God.

Maybe there’s a lesson here. Maybe we aren’t supposed to feel special. Maybe we shouldn’t be concerned about being better than the other guy. Maybe we shouldn’t follow someone who boasts of being special. Maybe God isn’t present at ‘happenings’. Rather, maybe God is with unsung individuals who re-teach a guy it’s okay to brush his teeth.


P.S. Yah, yah, I said I was done posting for a while. So, sue me.

[root]

Passin',

Wow!! Don't stop posting! Would you consider copying your last post into a new thread? You put into words exactly how I feel. I could've tried to post something like that but I am "all thumbs" verbally. Thank you for the astute observations!

[passin_thru]

Thanks Root.

What's your history with Hobart Freeman?

[micah]

passin_thru,
I gotta tell ya man, I agree with root, it would be a shame to see you go away. I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that the majority of people that attended FA during the "glory days" would happen to agree with what the younger generation has to say about all the rubbish that grew out of FA. Hence the fact that it has been reduced down so few "faithful"
(they actually see this as being a sign that they are headed in the right direction!! ie persecution.)
I think it is healthy to have people on here that are not afraid to speak the truth.
But I understand if you want to go away for a while, because ultimately this does nothing to advance the kingdom of heaven, so it becomes a waste of time. And arguing with idiots is only fun for so long...
http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif

[healed]

Yes, I agree too with what Passin has to say. I dont feel, however, that all the folks who attended FA were there because they needed to feel superior. There were many like that, but there were others, like in my family, who were there because they sincerely beleived that when they put what Freeman said into action, their seemingly hopeless situation would disappear. In their case, elitism was a side effect that latter appeared. Im seeing some here that perhaps had their own intelectual reasons for joining FA. Something I just wanted to put out there.

[mark1124]

I agree with Micah. Arguing with idiots is indeed a waste of my time. This room is nothing but people filled with confusion and every evil work. Why? Because there is envy and strife going on in here and I will no longer waste my time with the confusion that reigns supreme in here.

Jesus is coming soon. And I would much rather be preparing for His return than trying to discuss issues with you. It is obvious that you would rather sit at your computers and feel sorry for yourself and not find closure to everything that happened to you at FA and continue to persecute a dead man and those of us who would rather listen to the word of life and obey it (or at least try to). I guess you have no more important things to do than to go to Tomax's site or the Overcomersonline forum to see what is being said and then ridiculing it. One would think that instead of wasting time doing that, you would be better off getting on your knees and pray that you get rid of the hatred and jealousy that you have for Freeman. For if you have anything against any brother, and Freeman is your brother (except in Healed's case), then you can forget answered prayers. You can't hate a man and love God. That's not Bible and I can prove it...no..I won't bother. You won't believe it even if I showed it to you.

I have more important things to do with my time than to hang out at this forum of confusion. You can make all the lies and slander if you want. But remember, you will be judged for every idle word that you speak, unless you repent. One more thing that I have to ask you...you judge Freeman for being a baby killer, a legalists, a false teacher/prophet etc etc etc. He is God's servant...not yours. Question: What right do you have to judge another man's servant? Huh? Answer me...no never mind. I could care less what you think or what you say.

And Micah...for calling me an idiot, Jesus warned that anyone who calls another "Raca' (idiot) is in danger of the council. So if you are going to say that I am in danger of hell fire for calling somebody a fool, I guess I will see you there, won't I?

[passin_thru]

Micah, I appreciate the kind words. I really do. I’ll continue to post when I have something to add. I just don’t think it’ll be as often as I have up to now. However, it’s ‘long-timers’ like you, Healed and some others who have made a contribution. There is value in the ‘Hobart Freeman legacy’ here at FACTNet. It’s surprising to me how much the posts reveal about the authors. It’s not hard to read between the lines and get a glimpse of the heart. Even the volumes of worthless BS have some meaning.

Healed, you have an excellent point. Everyone can't be stuffed into the same pigeon hole. The reasons why people fall into cults are varied. Regardless of the rational, the truly innocent victims are the children who get dragged along.

Tomax7 must feel unduly picked on. However, it’s just plain wrong to glorify the likes of Hobart Freeman. His false teaching is littered with dead bodies and people who suffered.

[micah]

MARK,

Actualy the word "Raca" is most accurately interpreted as worthless, not idiot. But whatever.
So it says in Matthew 5:22 that in calling you worthless I will be "in danger" ( in the greek pronounced en-okh-os which is most accurately interpreted as liable, or accountable) of the council ( in the greek pronounced soon-ed-ree-on, meaning the Jewish Sanhedrim, or a subordinate tribunal-council)
So to boil it down I have called you worthless and now I am in danger of standing in front of a council, the council ( /tribunal /jury?) is still out, and I will take my chances. Not because I think you are an idiot but because I think that defending a fallen man (like you love to do) is worthless. We have a much greater task of advancing the kingdom of heaven and I dont see that happening through HEF's teachings. (or those who try to so closely follow his footsteps)
I do see a group of people alienating themselves from the world, not knowing how to relate to anyone that holds a different opinion than the one they have, and that is worthless for the advancement of the kingdom. Its not that you have to embrace and agree with everyone, but you do have to be like Jesus, the man who let a prostitute wash his feet, (and what did that mean culturally at that time?)

I ask you that because you (of all people) should know.

And just food for thought, it says in the previous verse (Matt. 5:20) that unless you are BETTER (ie. MORE RIGHTEOUS) than the pharasees than you will IN NO CASE see that kingdom of heaven.

hhmmm
I thought Jesus hated the pharasees. (den of vipers comes to mind off the top of my head)

(this should be easy for you to explain, I would assume that you know MUCH about the bible. I would hope that you wouldnt have to dig through Hobies tapes to give a solid explanation to how that works, knowing as I do that you know all this for yourself and dont just regergitate someone elses INTERPRETATION of the bible. )

[mark1124]

I agree with Micah. Arguing with idiots is indeed a waste of my time. This room is nothing but people filled with confusion and every evil work. Why? Because there is envy and strife going on in here and I will no longer waste my time with the confusion that reigns supreme in here.

Jesus is coming soon. And I would much rather be preparing for His return than trying to discuss issues with you. It is obvious that you would rather sit at your computers and feel sorry for yourself and not find closure to everything that happened to you at FA and continue to persecute a dead man and those of us who would rather listen to the word of life and obey it (or at least try to). I guess you have no more important things to do than to go to Tomax's site or the Overcomersonline forum to see what is being said and then ridiculing it. One would think that instead of wasting time doing that, you would be better off getting on your knees and pray that you get rid of the hatred and jealousy that you have for Freeman. For if you have anything against any brother, and Freeman is your brother (except in Healed's case), then you can forget answered prayers. You can't hate a man and love God. That's not Bible and I can prove it...no..I won't bother. You won't believe it even if I showed it to you.

I have more important things to do with my time than to hang out at this forum of confusion. You can make all the lies and slander if you want. But remember, you will be judged for every idle word that you speak, unless you repent. One more thing that I have to ask you...you judge Freeman for being a baby killer, a legalists, a false teacher/prophet etc etc etc. He is God's servant...not yours. Question: What right do you have to judge another man's servant? Huh? Answer me...no never mind. I could care less what you think or what you say.

And Micah...for calling me an idiot, Jesus warned that anyone who calls another "Raca' (idiot) is in danger of the council. So if you are going to say that I am in danger of hell fire for calling somebody a fool, I guess I will see you there, won't I?

[odysseus]

Mark

Then we’ll just take you at your word that you’ll never be back. Bye bye…….

[mark1124]

Yeah...I don't fellowship with losers and sinners like yourself. I fellowship with overcomers.

[odysseus]

See ya then.

[micah]

pharasees?
am I the only one thinking that?

[micah]

I am constantly amazed at how people that claim to have the "word" or "strong word" or "all the light" fall flat on their face when talking with someone who holds a different opinion than their own. They end up with no alternative but to bow out of the conversation in a less than dignified manner. I really enjoyed the fact that Mark1124 asked everyone on this board to use the bible to prove that Hobarts interpretation of the bible was wrong, (I dont think that I was the only one that saw how that was a useless argument (circular fallacy) anyone who has ever taken a class on critical thinking would know that....) but I think that is the point here. The reason FA went so wrong so bad was that people gave up their ability (and some may never have learned it in the first place) to think critically. It is our duty as "little christs" (christians) to think critically to have a ready answer for our faith. Dont insult my intelligence by asking me to use the text to prove that a interpritation of the text is wrong. We (all, everyone) have to interpret the bible because last time I checked we do not all speak read and write hebrew or greek. So all we have is interpretaion, deal with it. And what language can be flawlessly interpreted? Even of the ones we know today? So we rearranged the old testament to be chronilogical (because that is how we understand things) and interpret it into our own language and someone has the balls to say that they have "the word" "all the light" ??

WOW.
they must be smarter (wiser, more full of knowledge) than God himself....
....no...
they must be HEF...or anyone who drools over his mighty and great strong word.

And what happened to the kingdom in all this? How did I grow up in FA and miss the fact that the lords prayer, life and ministry, were about his Kingdom being on earth as it is in heaven? (not to mention the WHOLE story of redemption that the ENTIRE bible speaks about, which points to the eternal REIGN of....well do I even need to go on?)

Did FA bring the kingdom of heaven to earth?

If that is the kingdom of heaven, give me hell.

[odysseus]

Micah

I’m amazed as well. Even though they accuse us of sitting at our computers and feeling sorry for ourselves, they really know that we don’t hate Hobart Freeman or Faith Assembly. But they sure like to accuse us of that. It’s also worthy of note that Hombre and Mark have called us ‘Idiots, Morons and Losers. These are words from so-called ‘Overcomers’? They’re more like accusers of the brethren.

I’ve never said anything hateful in my posts about HEF or FA that anyone with an above room temperature IQ would construe. I just give an honest opinion of what I think Faith assembly and Hobart Freeman was. (And I have a bad habit of stirring things up a bit for my own entertainment… sorry personal weakness)

All the same my life is truly blessed and happy; I thank the Lord for that. Sorry Mark, I don’t wake up each morning hating Hobart Freeman. I don’t even think about him unless I come here to read these blogs. Mark, I can’t fathom your and Hombre’s hate for others that disagree with you. All we others see from your posts is bitterness and spiritual pride.

Mark you seem to be mentally challenged and Hombre, well you exhibit a spiritual pomposity that amazes everyone here that reads these blogs. William (aka Molder) over at Overcomersonline seems to display behavior like a little sheep that follows whomever is stronger in the group. He thinks that Hombre’s spiritual wisdom ‘hung the moon’. Molder’s (William) has some sort of unnatural magnetism toward Hombre. Oh and let’s not forget that William (Molder) likes to change the color of his reading glasses on his online picture to fool people that he not using glasses to read. That’s a hoot!

Mark, judging by your online picture on overcomersonline.com you need to go on a diet. Do overcomers diet? Better check your cholesterol level and please stay off those porn sites.

Sorry boys, we’re not feeling sorry for ourselves. We’re just having a good time showing folks who come here what frauds you are. Plus we’re having a good time doing it. Anyhow it beats what’s on Cable this weekend.

We should call you OVERCANT’S.

[mark1124]

Hey Odor,

My picture of me on the overcomers site is me in my umpire uniform and I have a chest protector on. If you had looked closely, you would see that. A chest protector under my shirt will make me look bigger. And no, I don't go to porn sites. As usual, you lied. And I am not mentally challenged. You lied again. And it is you that are bitter and hateful to others who still hold to the scriptural teachings of HEF.

Face it...we will always be around. We won't go away. God has preserved the message of the truth that we were given through HEF and others. God still has a remnant. The many people who followed the teachings of FA/HEF were there for what they could get out of it. But God pruned the vine, didn't He? Remember Gideon's army.

We are here to stay because God is preserving us and the message. Even though Freeman is dead...the message is still here. The courts tried to shut down FA but they failed. Praise God. The word is still going out through that ministry and it will always, until Jesus comes. Deal with it. Away with the doctrine of Odi-ology.

You said you never said anything hateful about HEF or FA. LIAR! And Hombre and I DON'T hate you. That would be the same as murder, according to Jesus. It seems, though, that you hate us.., including William...because we still follow the truth that Freeman taught. I suppose that if we all renounced Freeman right now, everything would be better and you would love us and welcome us back into your good graces. Well don't hold your breath. I am glad for you that you are blessed in your walk with the Lord. So am I. And so is Hombre and William.

And when I asked about quoting scriptures where Freeman was off, I never received a response. Nobody could prove to me where Freeman was wrong, except with the vague "entire Bible" answer. And yet, I can prove to you where he was right. The word was too strong for you and the others. If Freeman taught marshmellow box mix type teachings, it would be acceptible to you. But since the word was too strong for you, then you walk away from it. That's what happened to the multitudes when Jesus taught the strong word too.

As far as being called OVERCANTS, that title is for you...because you cannot overcome a simple trial of your faith without going to the aid of man. God help you when things get worse and worse in this earth. At least we have the word of God to assure us that God is still faithful, no matter what, and that He will see us through. Thank God that Freeman taught that and I saw the truth about God's faithfulness. Otherwise, indeed I might have become mentally challenged!

Enough with talking to you undercants. Time in God's word is more important to me than to talking to you.

Again....Remember Gideon's Army.

[mark1124]

And one last thing Odi:

If you don't hate Hobart Freeman and FA, why do you mock us who follow FA and why do you say hateful things about FA and HEF. Out of your own mouth, God will judge you.

Repent.

[micah]

I really enjoyed the fact that Mark1124 asked everyone on this board to use the bible to prove that Hobarts interpretation of the bible was wrong, (I dont think that I was the only one that saw how that was a useless argument (circular fallacy) anyone who has ever taken a class on critical thinking would know that....) but I think that is the point here. The reason FA went so wrong so bad was that people gave up their ability (and some may never have learned it in the first place) to think critically. It is our duty as "little christs" (christians) to think critically to have a ready answer for our faith. Dont insult my intelligence by asking me to use the text to prove that a interpritation of the text is wrong.

[mark1124]

Intelligence? What intelligence? I asked for scripture to show me why. What is so hard with that?

Oh well...I knew I couldn't get any answers from you.

[micah]

you ask for scipture to prove that hobies interpretaion of said scripture is wrong, and you fail to see how that is a fallacy?

(I feel like the guy on youtube trying to explain to the verizon wireless store manager the difference between .002 cents and .002 dollars, check it out, its worth seeing)

But seriously, I would expect a much more intellectual debate....
No actually I dont, after all it seems that anyone who could think for themselves as much as a ten year old got wise to the FA doctrine and left.
hhhmmmm
smoke that.

[mark1124]

And that ten year old misses out on God's end time purposes and now is bound by denominational bondage instead of the freedom that is in Christ Jesus. How about those of us who stayed with the message and are abundantly blessed by the Word of God and not bound by the word of man, as those who have left FA and gone back to their religious ways and are back in bondage.

Smoke that.

Anyone who will not show me chapter and verse on where Freeman was wrong are afraid to do so as they will find that Freeman was right, just like when he was challenged on the Sermon on the Mount when he taught it in seminary and his students realized that he was right when they saw it in the scriptures for themselves. Maybe I should give you a test so you can see that Freeman was right after all.

Smoke that one too.

[micah]

what is this sermon on the mount stuff you are talking about?

[hardbones]

While he was teaching ethics(?)in the seminary he taught on the sermon and had a class wide rebellion. He had a open book test on the subject and the students actually saw it was in the word. Needless to say they were astounded

[mark1124]

Micah I thought you might of heard of that. Hardbones is exactly right what he said. Hobart mentioned it on a few of his tapes.

[micah]

no i dont remember hearing about that, what was it about in particular that caused the uproar?

[mark1124]

Hi Micah.

Freeman taught in seminary about the sermon on the mount and that it could not be lived. His class came against him in what he taught and he taught it right out of scripture. He finally decided to give his class an open book test (the Bible) on the sermon. When they saw what Freeman taught was in the Bible, they admitted that it was so. Maybe hardbones can add more to this than I did. But that, at least is the gist of it.

[tomax7]

Hey appreciate the criticism of my site. Just to clarify, it is not a site dedicate to Dr. Freeman, nor is it an alter to the man. yes it is regulated, I really want to avoid a peeing contest and avoid people possibly calling a move of God a move of the devil.

Sure it wasn't perfect, and sure it had cult like mentality, but the Word of God was preached and it set me free from a lot of things I won't digress into.

Why did people die? Don't know. Legalism? Maybe. Heretical teachings? No.

Yes I have fond and I have bad memories of the 80's, but proof int he pudding is after 30 years (this year July 2008) Jesus still loves me, and I love him. I also can spot false teaching easily because of Dr. Freeman's teaching. Am as swift to correct or argue now when I hear it, no.

The balance is knowing what to do with that knowledge. As Proverbs says, much knowledge causes much grief.

God is still faithful. Mark 11:24 is still in the Bible, and God still moved through Faith Assembly.