Vain Repetitious Heathen Prayer

[hombre]

http://overcomersonline.com/FUDforum2/index.php?t=msg&th=72&start=0&S=8742b97c3a9086f1dc 5574a52e46d592

[passin_thru]

This is a new thread created by a Hobart Freeman ‘overcomer’. It is not a response to a previous post. It is not a rebuttal, fired off in the heat of battle. Rather, it comes from the heart of the ‘overcomer’. The above link is proudly posted and proclaimed. It reveals the following:

1. There is an immediate establishment of superiority. The title of the thread sets up other Christians as ‘heathens’. The link itself is full of contempt and disdain.

2. The focus of the link reveals ‘overcomers’ main priority, how to get something from God. It is their mantra for life. It is never far from them.

3. Prayer is reduced to a legalistic Freeman formula (the right words (only once), the right thoughts, keeping a positive confession, etc.).

4. Freeman died more than twenty years ago. His false teaching still holds a few people in bondage. Once we accept any man as lord, it’s very difficult to ever break free.

5. The link is void of love and compassion, the true hallmarks of Christian living. ‘Overcomers’ never post about the highest Christian commandments, which are to serve God and others in selfless love. It would seem ‘overcomers’ consider such tasks as mundane and beneath them. They can recite all the Bible verses for getting things from God. However, they hardly recognize the Bible passages that say we are lost without love.

I have ‘overcomers’ in my family. Believe me, their prayers are answered no better than anyone else’s. Their lives are no more holy. In fact, the ‘overcomers’ in my family have a higher incidence of adultery, divorce, alcoholism and premature death than the rest of us.

People, God is an awesome God. His love and compassion surpasses all human understanding. He doesn’t judge our prayers per a rulebook. He just wants us to come to Him with an open and true heart. If we come with the same prayer more than once, He doesn’t turn away in disgust. He knows we don’t think He has a hearing problem. He knows it helps us to be in conversation with Him, to be close to Him, to honor Him and to worship Him.

[passin_thru]

P.S.

The title of this thread comes from Matthew 6:7:

But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

The verse refers to the game saying of repetitious words over and over, like a pagan chant. It does not refer to an earnest prayer that cites a previous request or glory given unto God. The misinterpretation is an example of Hobart Freeman's flawed discernment.

[passin_thru]

P.S. P.S.

If Freeman’s take on Matthew 6:7 were correct, then Christians should recite the Lord’s Prayer only once in their lifetime. And, what about Paul who asked the Lord three times to remove the thorn? He wasn’t too proud to ask more than once. It’s a thousand infinitesimal things such as these that stop ‘overcomers’ from ever truly fellowshipping with anyone or any church.

Freeman taught his false doctrine well. I’m sure there’s an illogical rationalization for everything. No one can show ‘overcomers’ the error of it all. Cult victims have to want to be free of the cult. They have to be willing to work harder at getting out than they did getting in. After more than twenty years, it would truly take a miracle of God.

[healed]

Once again, Passin has hit it on the mark! Seems our hombre has finally found some humbleness in his heart as it seems he is at a loss for words. We wish you well Hombre, in your journey to find some sucker to fall for your horse poop. Your kind attacks people at their most vunerable point, Ive seen it all before. Well now your at yours, and I get to see just how fake you are. Hope your not feeling persucuted there bro Hombre.

[passin_thru]

There is another thread (Praise to My God and King) started by the same ‘overcomer’ who started this one. It reeks of smug pompous piety. How any professing Christian could use Christ for such a conceited display defies explanation. You treat the Lord with the same disrespect you show others.

‘Overcomers’ often relish in branding Healed as unsaved. Yet, I have not found one instance where Healed has dishonored the name of the Father, Son or Holy Spirit. However, the ‘overcomers’ are proud to use Jesus for a vain self-righteous exhibition. These are God’s elite chosen few? It’s pathetic.

[mark1124]

I can...In his lifestyle of being unsaved. He may be "healed" but he is not saved ("Healed" spiritually). Maybe if he was, then he indeed would honor the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, as well as his servants like HEF.

Repent...for the kingdom of Heaven is at hand.

[passin_thru]

Does anyone love Mark1124 like I do? I love reading his posts. They are the embodiment of Hobart Freeman’s false teaching and what it’ll do to a person. I’ve even wondered if Mark1124 isn’t really anti-Freeman, and his facade is his way of illustrating the harm of Freeman like cults. Nah, that’s probably not the case.

Anyway, Mark1124 does one heck of a job validating the lunacy of Freeman’s doctrine. In fact, if I knew Mark1124 was going to post immediately after me, I’d put an ‘e.g.’ at the end of my post.

The Legacy of Hobart Freeman (cult leader/dead man) continues!

[mark1124]

Hey passin_thru. I now know where I can go when I need a good laugh...right here to read your posts.

Pardon me...

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[passin_thru]

You don’t come here for laughs. You come here to play ‘overcomer’. You have a sick need to tell others you’re better than they are. You get off by putting others down. I lived with your type. The similarities are amazing. Hobart Freeman made you clones. However, you don’t possess his charisma or ability to make people believe the false teaching. Everyone recognizes you for who you are, a bitter little man with a big attitude. You’re just a sad example of Hobart Freeman’s Legacy.

[mark1124]

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The overcomers are laughing at the losers

[passin_thru]

Mark, it’s like telling you why posting scripture is a waist of time, and still you keep asking over and over. It’s a ploy to irk people because you have nothing of value to say. It’s the only way you can stay in the conversation, meaningless post after post.

You’re like a troll patrolling the threads. You enjoy ridiculing people, hoping they’ll take the bait and engage you. You take pride in being a hindrance to meaningful discussion. It gives you semblance of recognition, control and superiority that you desperately crave.

You never recognize the excellent proofs given against Hobart Freeman. It all flies a thousand miles over your head. The rotten fruits of FA are undeniable (no love, spiritual pride, suffering, death and worship of a dead cult leader now forgotten). Even you ‘overcomers’ wonder what went wrong. However, you blame anyone and everyone because you’re terrified to realize Freeman’s theology was one man’s BS.

Are you like my sorry ‘overcomer’ relatives? Have you chased everyone away from you in life? If so, you’re a very lonely bitter man, but it’s your own fault. You don’t want an honest and true relationship with the Lord and other people. You just want Hobart Freeman’s meaningless label of ‘overcomer’.

[mark1124]

Spoken by a true anti-faith heretic.

[odysseus]

Mark1124 you said;
…”Wrong. Freeman taught it correctly, as usual. When we are dead to ourselves, the life of Christ lives through us and we are indeed good to others. Freeman was right again, as usual. Next question please.”

So my next question is; Mark are YOU dead to self? Are you good to others?

If you are then why did you lie when you said you were not going to come back here and post anymore? If you are dead to self then why do you take such time and effort to pour scorn on other Christians and say, “The overcomers are laughing at the losers”.

Mark I’d really like to know. Enlighten me please. I knew Freeman more than you did and I can tell you he wouldn't have liked your tactics.

Again you show yourselves to be frauds.

[mark1124]

Another statement by the anti-faith heretics

[odysseus]

Mark,

Please answer the question, Are you dead to self?

[mark1124]

Yes...and I am also dead to your anti-faith garbage as well as the anti-Freeman cult people.
None of you people phase me. And I will never, ever, compromise on my position for I am grounded in the word of God. Every one else in the anti-Freeman cult is standing on sinking sand.

[micah]

I like how you prove cultic behavior by saying that everyone else is the problem, not you. Every person that has ever been in a AA program will tell you that they once thought that they did not have a drinking problem- it was everyone else who had a problem with their drinking--- hell, we dont even have to ga that far, let me walk down to the corner of 27'th and Broadway in my city and ask the nearest person sleeping ON the sidewalk if the reason they are sleeping on the sidewalk is due to society?
duh.

[healed]

Well I will give Mark credit for hanging in there, it seems his comrades have all run off. No more intelectual rants from Hombre? No more agitated remarks from Duncan? Why arent they here to support their comrade Mark? Ill agree that perhaps Mark isnt the most sharpest tool to come out of the FA whack shack but dont you think its shameful to let the brother fend for himself!

[mark1124]

Oh healed, you should go to another thread. Hombre is there. And even if nobody supported me in the natural sense, I have the Lord on my side.
So even if nobody here on earth supported me, I could care less. God is on my side so who can be against me?

[healed]

I knew they would come back, it was just a matter of using the right bait. As for HEF dying from complications due to diabities, its sort of a no brainer. The extremeities swell during advanced stages of diabeties and blood vessels burst and gangrene sets in. I worked with a guy that had it. Thats a tough way to go, but Im sure God meant it that way for all the deaths HEF was responsible for.

[duncan]

Healed,
Thanks for giving me a plug in your recent post. It's nice to know that I haven't been forgotten. Work has kept me traveling a lot this year, so time has been scarce to post.

As for me defending Mark, or Hombre or HEF - I am not here to defend or back up anyone. At some point or another, everyone on this board has said something in which I agree (including you), and everyone has said something in which I disagree (including Mark and Hombre).

I only speak my convictions as I see it in the Bible. If/when you say something that agrees with the Bible, I will back you up. The same goes for anyone else on here. I will admit that I agree with a lot of what HEF taught, as it relates to the Bible. I will also say that I disagree with a lot of his interpretations based upon my study of the Bible.

In the end, I will not be held responsible for listening to what HEF taught, but rather I will be held responsible for what the Bible teaches. Simple to say, but not always simple to do.

Duncan

[hombre]

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I knew they would come back, it was just a matter of using the right bait. As for HEF dying from complications due to diabities, its sort of a no brainer. The extremeities swell during advanced stages of diabeties and blood vessels burst and gangrene sets in. I worked with a guy that had it. Thats a tough way to go, but Im sure God meant it that way for all the deaths HEF was responsible for.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

Gee, the guy you worked with surely must have been very evil too. Surprisingly enough, I also had a friend who died a miserable death from diabetes. He was a exceptional unbeliever, much like yourself, Healed, right up until close to the time he died. Then he decided that it was a good time to get saved. Imagine that. I'm reminded by a verse, as usual, that you may not like, since it doesn't agree with your judgmental assessment of Hobart ( nor yet with your other friends, Eliphaz, Bildad and Zophar ) : There is a vanity which is done upon the earth; that there be just men, unto whom it happeneth according to the work of the wicked; again, there be wicked men, to whom it happeneth according to the work of the righteous: I said that this also is vanity. ~ Ecc. 8 : 14,.....and: the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all. ~ Ecc. 9 : 11

[healed]

I got to like the second sentence and stopped reading because with you its always the same crap. Backing up your Freeman inspired message with twisted scripture. You need a new gimmick Hombre. All that worldly education and your still following Freeman. Fools come in many flavors.

[mark1124]

Healed, you seem to know the Bible pretty well. But you forgot this verse:

Matthew 5:22 *But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Notice that this is not some "twisted scripture" from Freeman. Try forgiving Freeman someday. It will do your soul good.

Have a nice day.

[healed]

So what your saying is I shouldnt be angry with my "brother" Hombre or you? But you 2 brothers seem to be angry at the rest of us. What if I declare you and hombre to be false brothers? Does the verse still apply to me?

[mark1124]

Well Healed, if you are not saved, you cannot be my brother "in the Lord". You are my brother as far as the human race is concerned. It seems to me that you are the one that is angry at me and Hombre and others who hold to the teachings of scripture. You hurl your angry and hateful thoughts at us just because we want to hold on to the teachings of HEF. I suppose that if we renounced the teachings and became like the rest of the institutional church, or even the world, then perhaps we would be in your good graces. Sorry...no game my friend.

[odysseus]

You know Mark, I remember the hateful comments you made to 'Fivefold prophet', so don’t sermonize to healed. You’re not an overcomer you’re just an ‘overcant’. Hombre and you represent a dying breed of freemanite ‘overcants’.

But you keep it up its great entertainment!

[mark1124]

Good bye odor. It was not nice to know you

[micah]

healed,
I do believe you just evicted the best and most revealing quote yet out of mark one one whatever...

I love it.. its so insightful, but let me just say that I am reminded of someone I know that has been married five times and they insist that it was never their fault, the women were all crazy. IF you think that the whole world is crazy and you are the only one sane, you need to take a long hard look in the mirror.

Now for Marks bit of yummy goodness:

"I suppose that if we renounced the teachings and became like the rest of the institutional church, or even the world, then perhaps we would be in your good graces. Sorry...no game my friend."

[mark1124]

I did take a good long look in the mirror...the mirror of the word of God. And it showed that I indeed am sane.

Thanks for the inspiration.

[odysseus]

Mark, you said. “I did take a good long look in the mirror...the mirror of the word of God. And it showed that I indeed am sane. Thanks for the inspiration.”


Wow, Mark that’s incredible! Did the mirror tell you to stay away from the Three Stooges web site and porn sites too?


Mark, you also said, “"I suppose that if we renounced the teachings and became like the rest of the institutional church, or even the world, then perhaps we would be in your good graces. Sorry...no game my friend."


Again wow! What depth of insight. You figured us out Mark. There’s no fooling you Over-Cant’s. You caught us flat footed. Such discernment!

[johiyom]

Maybe that praise/worship song they sang at FA was vain, repetitious and heathen too.
I'm like a tree like a tree
Like a green olive tree
Planted in the house of the Lord
I will trust in the mercies of the Lord forever
I will trust in the mercies of God
Praise God, praise God, praise God, praise God, praise God, praise God, praise God
Praise God, praise God, praise God, praise God, praise God!
Hot cinnam-mina-mina-mina-on-ah-tay. She come in a car she died in a coma!
ROFLOL