From a FA kid How are the other FA kids doing

[hombre]

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UNHEALED and UNSAVED: ' Hombre, you idiot.'<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

...and it would appear that you have friends who are just as pure as you.

...nevertheless, I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt, and consider the possiblity that you haven't bothered to read the past several years postings, of mine, or the others here to actually know what has been said; in that case I'll simply consider you to be ignorant of who each person is, and what they each represent; however, if I am wrong and you have studied the postings, and are still adament about your hasty conclusion, then I will have to conclude myself, that you have indeed found friendship in the company of Hymeaeus and Alexander.

...anyway, my God help you, with your growth into the fullness of the stature of Jesus the Christ.

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[hombre]

...which brings to mind another question that has been dogging me for a while:

Hey, Unhealed!

...tell us about YOUR experience in growing up unto the fulness of the stature of Jesus the Christ.

I would love to have a progress report from the vanguard of the faith.

...again, is is my assumption, but in that you are so sure of what is right and wrong with regard to Christianity and Biblical Theology, I find it incumbent to ask you to show us the way, great master. I'll just start with one thing, that I'd like you to share with us, O guru of the enlightened way:

...tell us about the 'peace that passes all understanding', and how it is that one achieves that.

Thank you in advance for your time, I know that if anyone knows the answer, it will be you, because of the consecrated and holy lifestyle that you demonstrate here before us all.

Have a nice day.

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[healed]

well get to all that latter Hombre. Lets finish unscrewing the mess that your idol Hobart made, then we can move on to better things.

[hombre]

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well get to all that latter Hombre. Lets finish unscrewing the mess that your idol Hobart made, then we can move on to better things.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

Uh-huh.

Answer the questions.

[healed]

"I find it incumbent to ask you to show us the way, great master. I'll just start with one thing, that I'd like you to share with us, O guru of the enlightened way":

Well Im flattered that you call me the great master, I dont think of myself like this but you obvisouly must have some admiration for me. I apologize that I cannot answer your questions because I feel their only a diversion from the questions that I asked, most likely a tactic to contaminate an otherwise healthy discussion for us seeking closure to an ongoing mess. Enlightenment as you call it is just a different way of seeing things, and yes I have a different way of seeing things other than the way that Freeman showed me.

[hombre]

..quite a curt and intelligent/polite response, based in the idea that one would find you to be a clever satirist; and I'm sure that your secular shrink is as happy with your progress as you are.

[cougarxr72]

I have several comments to make. I have not posted in awhile because the conversation never seems to improve, but this afternoon was slow at the office so I am posting today.

1. Mark 11:24 It is what it says, but there are too many instances where people have believed this promise and not gotten what they prayed for, I am in agreement with Duncan's interpretation. Duncan and I had an extensive conversation about this phrase a couple years ago. My best example is that you believe "claim/pray for" a new car but you don't have a job or go out to work unless your situation is such that you can't work it probably isn't going to happen.

2. I believe that if you are going to quote scripture there are often multiple scriptures that cover the same issue. One that has always bothered me was all of these parents having kids they couldn't afford because there's a scripture that says be fruitful and multiply. Genesis 9:7 There is also a scripture that says "He that doesn't provide for his family is worse than an unbeliever" I Timothy 5:8 Two scriptures that cover the same topic, but the only scripture that I ever recall being quoted was the first.

3. This one goes out to those devout believers. Matthew 12:36-37 "But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment." I have watched this forum and occasionally participated in it over the years, but find it to be a waste of time due to the continual bickering. I would like to know what some of you have to say regarding that scripture, which as you have put it is God's word, when much of what is posted by those claiming to be Bible believing Christians is idle words!

4. Whether or not HEF was behind all of the legalism I'll never know, but I do know that as an adult 20 years later, the legalism was ingrained in me as a child much of it I have no understanding why it was wrong or forbidden, it was always because HEF said or FA taught and my grandfather was a minister. He is a lonely old man today because he has alienated his entire family with his "overcomer's" view of Christianity. I can still hear him ridicule those who had glasses or went to the doctor or didn't meet his standard of faith. But in recent years his health has failed and he now has glasses and is on blood pressure medicine so he could have a cataract removed. In looking back the education of scripture and theological knowledge that was received in FA was worthwhile, but the interpretation of it has left many of us puzzled as to what to believe. There are so many screwed up young people that came out of that environment that it is hard to say that anything good became of it. We can talk about choices all day long and that we were free to choose, but the fact is the children did not have that freedom. My 2.5 year old brother didn't have a choice and he died of pneumonia. We have choices now you're right, but so much of what was taught and instilled in us as kids we don't know if it was right or not and there isn't scripture to back it up either. Often times my wife will say why weren't you allowed to do this or that as a kid and I'll say I don't know, but that's what we were taught as kids. At this point in my life I have no desire to go to church to participate in church or religion of any type. I still read the Bible and pray and read other biblical literature, but I just really have no desire to go back to that environment. That's all I have to say today.

[healed]

Cougar,
I think your last post# 4 is how alot of us think/feel. We are still undoing the mess. Its messed up that there is still folks out there that are ready to get their hooks in you, and bring you back and you have to fight it off. What a mess, but we soldier on.

[hombre]

Too long for this place, Cougar, here's my response:

http://overcomersonline.com/FUDforum2/index.php?t=msg&amp;goto=592&amp;S=15cb64f204d34f2e7d88633 89987c220#msg_592

[hombre]

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UNHEALED: ....but we soldier on.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

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....yeah, have you got all of your infrastructure, supply lines and directional signage to Egypt in place yet?

[healed]

Leave it to the whack job Hombre to find humor in something quite sombering. A true Freemanite you are. Soldiering on means that we who have or are in the process of reaching closure from the FA mess continue to fight off the murky honeytraps that your kind likes to bait us with; lengthy scripture quotes, intelectual rants etc etc but only end up bringing us back to the root of it all, Hobart Freeman.

[hombre]

...leave it to the whack job UNHEALED AND UNSAVED to believe that his twice dead theology is salvation, and to be equated with being a 'soldier' for Christ.

Yeah, God heals through doctors all right, just like He created the world through the minds of evolutionists.

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[healed]

So what went wrong with Freeman? Why didnt God heal his polio and deliver him from death?

Please dont give me the ususal either, the "well I cant say or nobody knows" If your going to believe in something, shouldnt be for real? If it aint, then I want nothing to do with it. Fact; Freeman died of his beliefs. Fact: Freemans beliefs did not save him. So where does that leave us, brother Hombre? It leaves me with the very real impression that all things according to Freeman were B.S.! It also leaves me with the very strong conviction that anyone who would continue to follow this mans teaching must be brainwashed or brain damaged.

[hombre]

Well, you know, Unhealed and Unsaved, there will always be mysteries. Like for example, how it is that some people can read something that is as plain as the nose on their face, and then either not understand it, or change it into something else. You are one of those people. You have sat here and read what I have written now for 2 years, as well as perhaps if you had the industriousness to want to understand, at overcomers as well.....and yet you still don't 'get it'. You're totally hardened in your animosities, and you wouldn't be interested in a answer even though I could give it to you....of which I have written many possibilities. You are a waste of my time.

[healed]

LOL. I think I reached this point with your comrade Mark a few post back. Looks like your cornered and unable to give me an answer to the post above yours. You say I still dont get it? Well I think I do get it and your having a problem with that. Your right, your post are a waste of time, because they never answer anything. I hope you are most unsuccessful in trying to reach anyone with your Freeman inspired nonsense and destroying anymore lives.

[healed]

Ive noticed that when you google Hobart Freeman and get the Wikipedia site that the link to this forum is missing. It used to be there. Perhaps Ive overlooked it, but Ive noticed where the Freemanite goofball Tomax has several links to his own site, but Factnet seems to be suspisciouly missing now. Interesting how they are trying to filter what really went on at FA by avoiding this site.

[hombre]

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UNhealed: Interesting how they are trying to filter what really went on at FA by avoiding this site.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

.....soooooo....who's 'they, UNhealed? ....and why would secular sites like 'Google' and/or 'Wikipedia' attempt to shield Hobart Freeman / Faith Assembly?

...you know....a good indicator of declining mental health is paranoia and the need to explain it by a 'conspiracy theory'.

You really should give your heart to The Lord Jesus Christ before you end up naked and eating grass like a cow...like Nebuchadnezzar.

[hombre]

...and what does all this have to do with the subject of this thread?

' How are the other FA kids doing? '

Oh, my mistake.

Unhealeds' postings are a sort of autobiographical account of one poor souls' descent into insanity, as he spews venom at every person who professes faith in Christ, eventually finding himself alone in a room that everyone else has walked out on.

...so that's how Unhealed is doing.

[healed]

soooooo....who's 'they, UNhealed?

You know who "they" is. They is Tomax, yourself, mark and all the other faithful Freemanites that want to protect his name. Why you always asking stupid questions for?

[hombre]

...so then, according to you, it is Tomax, Mark, myself and the 'other faithful Freemanites' who have conspired to prevent Google and Wikipedia from showing links to Factnet and your opinions.

That's quite a thesis, Unhealed. How do you know that the people at Google and Wikipedia aren't also in on this with us? I'm not saying they are or aren't...I'm just saying that ....perhaps...it's a possibility......

BTW: ...don't underestimate the significance of spotting Elvis in a donut, or perhaps the woodgrain of a closet door.

[hombre]

...now back to the regularly scheduled programming.......

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FaithAssemblyKid: Now, given the massive homeschooling and lack of any normal social interaction with peers for most of the FAKids, I'd imagine a huge % are 'not doing well.' <!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

....that would depend upon whether you are talking financially or psychologically. For example I know of one fellow who says he is doing very well as a banker, and seems well-adjusted, there are however, a number who are quite mal-adjusted psychologically, socially and spiritually, like the fellow who now thinks that there is a vast internet conspiracy against him, and one of his other friends who seems much akin to the Gadarene, in his identity confusion, and his need to be lashed to a mast in order to control his maniacal outbursts. Methinks that indeed, perhaps these either wandered off the path somewhere and fell into some trouble, that they were really never a part of it to begin with, or that perhaps their parental supervision was somewhat substandard, resulting in the character development that we see today.

I hope that helped to answer your question, Faith Assembly Kid.

[healed]

Here is the lattest from our loving Christian Hombre from over at overcomers.com, talking about the reporting of deaths in the FA congregation by the media:

"...I would assume that it is whatever causes the most speculation, debate and sensationalism. That being said, I could probably write it up any way you want it."

Interesting how you even try and disqualify the deaths at FA. And your going to tell us you havent been brainwashed?

[hombre]

...I note that you left out the entire context in which I wrote that satirical pun aimed at people exactly like yourself, who delight in twisting things that are apparently too difficult for them to grasp. I would call you a moron, as I have in the past, but I have changed my mind about you. You're NOT a moron. You have a mind that you use for the deliberate purpose of attempting to destroy faith in God. May God have mercy upon you.

[cougarxr72]

I have one comment to make today in regards to why wikipedia may not have a link to this forum but does have a link to tomax. Tomax's site is somewhat an account of individual's experiences at FA both good and bad where there is just a lot of banter here about differences of opinion in what happened was taught, etc. This site started with some good recollections of both the good and the bad but has turned into an unending banter between a couple individuals from both sides of the fence that doesn't provide anyone from the outside any information on FA good or bad. Just my opinion. A side note to Hombre, I believe that you are sincere in your beliefs and that you truly believe what you profess, but I can't see what purpose is served in continuing to participate in this mindless bickering with people who are not going to change their viewpoints. Your method of approaching someone that you consider an unbeliever by continually "beating them over the head" with scripture will do more to turn them away than it would ever turn them to. I witnessed my grandfather take this approach for 20 years and he did more to turn people away from Christ than he ever did to turn them towards Christ. If you truly care about some of these individuals it would behoove you reread Matthew 5:44 "But I tell you: Love your enemies[a] and pray for those who persecute you," It doesn't mention anything about participating in endless rhetoric.

[hombre]

..yeah, Cougar, you're right...in fact, I said as much to Mark over a year ago.

...nevertheless, Unhealed seems to live for this. THIS is his joy, and who am I to deprive him of it?

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..believe it or not, I preach to other Christians, exactly what you just stated about your grandfather, and in general I don't get in unbelievers faces about what they do or don't want to believe.

...however, as an enemy of the Gospel, Unhealeds' responses deserve to be countered..it isn't about whether I am following the sermon on the mount with reference to this guy or not, it's about the defense of the Gospel, and the need to tell the other side whenever he opens up his mouth.

Unhealed, whether one agrees with him or not, has some very compelling, unregenerate viewpoints, that should not go unexplained.

...and BTW, immediately following the very first post I ever did here, I was warned by a number of you that there were people here who would not exactly receive me with open arms...and that indeed began to manifest shortly....so in my experience, Factnet, has NEVER been a open place where people came to discuss issues around a campfire. Factnet is a Springer-esque mud-slinging paradise, that the occasional innocent wanders into...and as long as there are people like Unhealed here, it will continue to be so.

Issues here are all but immaterial, however, the destruction of ones personal rep is paramount.

..it's not like I disagree one whit with you about this Cougar, but I'm not in total agreement with you about it either.

So then, tell me, what is most important:

1. Taking it on the cheek, or,

2. Defending the Gospel?

This is a debate forum.

....you know, if no one ever did anything besides let the lions eat them, Christianity might have died out after the 1st century.

[healed]

Hombre sayeth:

"You have a mind that you use for the deliberate purpose of attempting to destroy faith in God. May God have mercy upon you".

From that I would assume that your starting to question your faith in what Freeman taught. If Im having that effect on you, then thats a good thing. This is where Freeman went terribly wrong, he instilled fear into people that if they didnt believe or do as he taught, then they would risk eternal damnation. Scary stuff.

Cougar,

I feel your wrong. It is perhaps a wise approach to ignore these people, but in my situation, that isnt a luxury. Ive went through it, Ive became stronger, but I still have it in my family so now its my obligation to make things right. There is no compromise coming from them, so there will be none coming from me. With things like this, there is no easy way, thats why it creates hardships. Unlike you, Im not an admirer of Hombre, I think he is a parrot for Freeman that went and got himself a wordly education. He is like other Freemanites, they want to have control over others, all which is of course ordained by the scripture, twisted by Freeman. For me, its all clear and no brainer stuff with these people.

[healed]

What Ive noticed about these people is that they always find away to justify Freemans behavior. You can read the faithful, though somewhat on the fence, Ducans lattest post over at overcomers.com. He tells us that Freeman even mentioned watching TV commercials and spoke of Billy Graham! How liberatiing! And I bet somewhere in all those tape list he hints of something that might make us even think he applied lotion or some semi medicine to his body. What I find interesting and disturbing at the same time is that you cant see or fail to see that all the while people where dying under Freemans ministry, he never once came out and condemned it. Not once. I dont get how you can justify this "leader"

[hombre]

Thanks, Unhealed for once again stating your goals and purposes here. It is not and has never been your desire to understand, only to destroy the faith of others, and draw them into your own godless mentality.

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Hombre:"You have a mind that you use for the deliberate purpose of attempting to destroy faith in God. May God have mercy upon you". <!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

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Unhealed: From that I would assume that your starting to question your faith in what Freeman taught.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

Of course, Unhealed is assuming that his trafficking in unbelief is efficacious towards his targets, the problem with that, aside of assuring his continuing state of mental confusion and his eternal abode, is that he has not taken into account the efficacious hand of the Lord to save as well as keep those He has called and chosen...and indeed he cannot, since it is impossible for a carnal mind to reason up to the spiritual things of God.

...in very much the same way that the devil attempted to draw away Jesus Himself from the recognition of His own Godhead, through the lust of the flesh ( the bread and stones ), the lust of the eyes ( the cities of the world ) and the pride of life ( proving who he was by throwing Himself off the cliff ), so Unhealed attempts by whatever means are convenient to destroy the faith of the called out ones. We, however, have a high priest, who has been tempted and tried in all points such as we are, and not only understands our infirmities but is also able to save us to the uttermost.

This, Unhealed does not, and cannot know, until such a time as he bows his head in submission to the One who knows all hearts.

This is also the good that comes from the answering to such a one as Unhealed, Cougar: the remembrance of that which is good and the strengthening of ones' forearm through swordplay.

It is not my problem to save Unhealed, nor can I.

...but I can continue, as long as God wills, to use his ungodliness for good, in the pursuit of defining the line between the two.

...that was my purpose in coming here, and still is.

I also think that there is a line to walk between being worried about offending unbelievers and hiding our light under a bushel.

I would also remind you that, as Paul said: ' In MANY things, we offend ALL '...that IS the nature of Christianity and displaying a belief that is not only HIGHLY exclusive, but judgemental in the most offensive way toward those who don't believe.

...so then I ask the question: Should we be afraid to tell the world what the Bible says?....that there is One who loves them in a way that no one else can, but if they reject Him that they can expect damnation?

[healed]

I must thank you Hombre for providing me with more laughs. I see once again where he tries to disqualify me with these quotes;

"aside of assuring his continuing state of mental confusion and his eternal abode"

Im curious as to why Im confused? LOL.
And you continue;

"and indeed he cannot, since it is impossible for a carnal mind to reason up to the spiritual things of God".

And now I have a carnal mind, incabable of reasoning for myself, and I need HEF to open my eyes to the spiritual things of God. Thats deep.

"so Unhealed attempts by whatever means are convenient to destroy the faith of the called out ones."

And who would the "called out ones" be? The only debate going on here is what went on at FA, not any other denomination. I assume from that the called out ones as you put it are those who believe all things according to HEF.

"This, Unhealed does not, and cannot know, until such a time as he bows his head in submission to the One who knows all hearts"

I think you mean bow my head in submission to what you spew and believe. You should know better.

This is from a link on this Factnet site that hits it right on the head;

"The groups with which we are concerned are exploitatively manipulative and threaten children because they a) live by an absolutist ideology that dictates harsh physical discipline and/or the rejection of medical intervention, b) function as closed, often physically isolated, societies which resist any investigation of possible child abuse, and c) use religious beliefs to justify their ideology and reclusive nature. Their absolutist ideology provides a rationalization for child abuse. Their limited interaction with members of mainstream society (e.g., members don't visit doctors; children attend group-run schools) tends to close off the normal means by which authorities learn about child abuse and neglect."

They go on to list the cults they are describing, and of course FA comes up. I myself had to get those relegious immunizations, all inspired by Freeman. Im am truly free from the absolutist ideology that Freeman taught and find it easier to articulate myself without having my ideas sanctioned by some mindcontrol. Looking back, I can see how Freeman had absolute control over his members and how even you still think you can. Giving my life over to Christ is one thing, giving it over to a man is another.

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I’ve never read a single time when Healed has come against the Lord Jesus. Healed’s justified distain is reserved for failed cult leader Hobart Freeman and his few remaining supporters (overcomers). Poor lost overcomers can’t recognize the difference because Freeman is their lord.

I’ve found Freemanite overcomers to be universally the same. My relatives, Healed’s relatives, Couger’s relatives and the overcomers here at FactNet all display the same traits and personality.

Overcomers chase away family and friends with their unyielding holier-than-thou know-it-all attitude. People get fed up with their constant condemnation and attempts to control others. In the end, they are alone in their self-delusion of superiority.

They’ve long ago simply given themselves to Hobart Freeman, a dead cult leader who caused needless suffering and death. To those on the ‘outside’, their rationalizations of Freeman’s failures make no sense. Their ability to discount and belittle those who suffered and died defies understanding. Such is the case with harmful abusive cults.

Someday the Good Lord will give them eyes to see. They’ll surely be sad to learn the extent to which they missed it.

[hombre]

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UNHEALED:Giving my life over to Christ is one thing, giving it over to a man is another.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

...soooooo.....when is that going to happen?

BTW: You'll look for a long time to find me ever saying IN ANY POST that ANYONE should EVER be denied medical treatment.

...that is one of your problems, Unhealed...the inablitity to read and think clearly about what you're reading, because you are so immersed in the venom of hatred toward HEF and FA.

[hombre]

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PASSIN-UP-CHUCK: I’ve never read a single time when Healed has come against the Lord Jesus.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

1. We know that Unhealed is NOT a believer and that he has stated himself that to be so.

2. We can see from the Bible :

A. That one MUST be 'born-again' to enter the kingdom of God. John 3:3-7

B. That those who are not of God are of the Devil.
John 8:42-47, 1 Jn 3: 8-10.

C. He that is a friend of the world is an enemy of God. james 4:4

3. In that Unhealed is not 'born-again', and that he rejects Jesus Christ, makes him, according to the Bible: 'an enemy of God'; which is not to say that God can't or won't eventually save him from himself, but that in his present unregenerate condition, he is alienated from Gods' forgiveness, presence, love and all promises. It is no small wonder that he has no clue about spiritual matters, since he is dead in his sins and trespasses.

He may have never directly 'come against' God', but that, neither you or I know, however, his rejection of the only One who can help him, renders him an enemy of the kingdom of God.

...but then again...so was Paul, until Jesus shook him up...which He could do at any given moment....and then , I'll be more inclined to render unto him his chosen handle: 'Healed'.

[healed]

"In that Unhealed is not 'born-again', and that he rejects Jesus Christ"

Nobody is rejecting Christ you idiot, we are rejecting Freeman. If it was as easy as "getting saved" as you Freemanites put it, why cant I or my relative go down to the corner 1st Baptist, Methodist, or Catholic church and get saved there? The answer I always get from a Freemanite is that "they" the outsiders, the worldly denominations, dont preach the full gospel. So who preaches the full gospel? Freeman of course. The one and only. This is just another one of your twist on things, typical of a Freemanite.

[hombre]

Non acceptance of Christ is passive rejection.

You are, by your own admission, is a faithless unbeliever,
who not only played charades at FA, but actively attempt to undermine the faith of others.

I have been talking to you for 2 years about Jesus the Christ. It is YOU who want to turn everything into a diatribe against HEF and FA....and BTW, I still haven't heard you confess your faith in Jesus the Christ yet...just more of your worn out arguments against all things HEF and FA.

You DO need to step away from HEF and FA long enough to look at yourself, and realize your need for salvation by the only One who can.

[healed]

Wrong answer. What I need to do is keep corning you and your Freemanite friends, all the while exposing the cult you hold so dearly for what it is. "Getting saved" or " confess your faith in Jesus the Christ" was never good enough at FA. Freeman and his disciples always wanted to take it to the next level, on their terms. Until YOU address what I have been putting down, then your going to feel like your being picked on. Needless infant and child death is a good starting place. I havent seen a good explanation from you yet as to why people had to needlessly die and why Freeman died, all the time preaching that crazyness from his Faith book. The reason you can give me an answer that would satisfy, is because there isnt one. The only thing you can do is keep going round and round and defending Freeman like he was here today.

[hombre]

Dear Unsaved and Unhealed.

Thank you once again for your diatribe against all things FA and HEF, proving my point for me so clearly, once again, by avoiding your eventual confrontation with the God of the universe.

It would be so much better for you to give your heart to Him now, instead of coming up short on your last day.

You know, Unhealed, there are three things that God cannot do.

1. He cannot lie.

...In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began; ~ Titus 1:2

2. He cannot change.

...For I am the LORD, I change not; ~ Malachi 3:6

3. ...and He cannot let someone into the kingdom who is not born again.

Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
~John 3:3

You need to be born again, Unhealed....and now IS the time.

[passin_thru]

FACTnet is not a forum limited to Christians or evangelizing. If you have a problem with it, then stick to your own kind. Your pompous self-righteous judgment and condemnation is ignorant and so typical of Freemanite overcomers.

FACTnet is a forum about cults. By definition, death and suffering, Hobart Freeman certainly qualifies, and the posts of his few remaining warped followers serve as proof positive.

[healed]

Hombre avoids sticky questions by always coming back with this:
"You need to be born again, Unhealed....and now IS the time"
Well gee thanks Hombre. So I get born again, then what? I can see you now, working your craft on some sucker. Dont you think Ive already heard this line Hombre? Get saved! then we welcome you to our meetings! But whats wrong with other churches and their meetings? Well thats not the full gospel. What is the full gospel? Come and listen to our annointed pastor Freeman and he will tell you! Thanks but no thanks goofball. You can do better Hombre...or can you?

[hombre]

Up-Chuck: You sound insecure. Are you feeling threatened? Do you need me to go away so you can feel all better about yourself?

Unhealed avoids sticky questions by always coming back with this: FA and HEF are evil.........still thrashing about in your own twisted understanding, still plying the same 'ol same 'ol...BTW, I haven't seen you jumping on the bandwagon for 'other churches' that I asume you endorse for their lack of belief in the Bible promises and vain form of religion...or have you?

[healed]

Hombre I must say you that have all the character traits that a perfect Freemanite would have, just like their leader; Thick skulled, naive, selfish, elitist, arrogant, hateful and boastful. I think you need to get back to the basics in the New Testament and start with a clean slate.

[hombre]

...you mean like the prophecy that Jesus the Christ fulfilled and the apostles quoted later?

Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed? For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

[healed]

And the cycle continues. Where does it say in that verse that seeing a physician is not of God?
"And with his stripes we are healed" is a very general statement. Of course someone with a theologian background can twist and hunker down and put their spin on it, take it out of context, and live and eventually die by what they had created. Sounds all too familiar doesnt it? Read it for what it says Hombre, stop trying to justify the heresy/insanity that Freeman taught. Then you to might become healed.

[passin_thru]

Freemanite overcomers have a proven track record for NOT being healed. After a quarter century, they still wonder to themselves, where it all went wrong. Why did people die? Why did so many suffer? Why did they fail? Why haven’t they ever once experienced the ‘guaranteed miracles’, like missing limbs growing anew?

They deny, discount and belittle all detractors in order to lie to themselves and keep believing what Hobart Freeman taught them. If they ever allowed themselves to question their revered dead teacher, they would have the answers they still seek after all these years. If they could ever see him for what he was, just another frail, failed and mistaken human being, then they could see Faith Assembly for what it was, just another tragedy where people believed only they had found God and His favor.

[hombre]

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UNHEALED: "And with his stripes we are healed" is a very general statement. <!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

I guess it would be if you serve a deceptive God. I however, tend to believe that He means what He says. Like this one...it also means what it says:

....Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen. And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God. And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. ~ Mark 16: 14-20

[hombre]

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PASSIN UP-CHUCK: Freemanite overcomers......deny, discount and belittle all detractors in order to lie to themselves and keep believing what Hobart Freeman taught them.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>


...ah yes, that would be The Bible, wouldn't it?


...you know, the verses that just refuse to wither and die under the scrutiny of your damnable unbelief:


And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God. For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith. Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them. ~ Mark 11: 22-24


Tell me, child of the devil, full of mischief and subtlety, what are you going to do with this one:


He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. ~ Rev.21:7-8


...and yet you and your unregenerate friend, Unhealed, not only don't believe the words of the Lord, you also teach others to do the same.


....If any man TEACH otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself. ~ 1 Tim. 6:3-5


...those would be words like He spoke in Mark 11 and Mark 16.

[passin_thru]

The few remaining Freemanite overcomers don’t even sound like believers in the Lord Jesus Christ. They judge and condemn everyone, per Hobart Freeman’s warped doctrines. Their perspective is solely from the false teaching of one man. They accept no other biblical interpretation. To them, all else is flawed and carnal. They would rather die than realize the error.

Unfortunately, too many have suffered and died from abstaining from all medical care, which to them is of the devil and needed only by the weak and faithless. Their false ‘faith walk’ also claimed the lives of their ‘self-anointed’ leader and his infant grandchild. After a quarter century, Hobart Freeman, from the grave, still controls their thoughts, beliefs and relationship with God.

[hombre]

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The few remaining Freemanite overcomers...... judge and condemn everyone, per Hobart Freeman’s warped doctrines. <!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

....I don't recall those quotations coming from a book written by Hobart Freeman....of course, that's the problem with deluded men and deceivers...they never want to face the truth head-on, for fear of seeing themselves in the mirror.

I'm not even going to bother any more with citing the many, many times that I have stated that I have absolutely NO condemnation to anyone using a doctor, but I DO have HUGE reservations about those who choose to pervert the Word of God, and blame the fact that they don't like it on any man, Hobart included.

You two do not deserve the benefit of doubt any more, you have continuously denied the Word of the Lord, and fought against Him, expressing for doctrine, the commandments of men, and teaching others to do likewise.

Of course, perhaps, in His infinite mercy, the Lord may have mercy on your blinded consciences and rescue you from your spiritual ignorance, of which you both are kings.

[passin_thru]

Overcomers do not lump themselves with other ‘lowly’ Christians. To them, anyone who doesn’t hold to the ‘word of Freeman’ perverts the truth and denies the very Word of God.

Nothing could be further from the truth. It is Freeman’s warped doctrine that caused death, suffering and pride so deep that it drove away friends and family. They suffer not for the Lord Jesus. They suffer for the sake of Hobart Freeman.

Faith Assembly robbed them of a fruitful Christian life. They reach out to no one. They serve no one. Their existence is built around the useless pursuit of paying homage to a long dead and forgotten cult leader.

[hombre]

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Overcomers ......existence is built around the useless pursuit of paying homage to a long dead and forgotten cult leader.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

Your existence is based around the pursuit of defaming a man, now dead, who once proclaimed the uncompromising Word of God, which some misunderstood ( as Paul says ) or perverted ( as you and others have ).

It is your warped view of what the Bible plainly says, that causes the type of confusion that we see in the powerless denominational churches of today.

You are reprobate and destitute concerning the truth.

You have a gospel based upon faith in men.

The fact that you and others like you lead men astray through your denial of the truth, is something that you will have to shoulder when you meet the Lord.

And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God. For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith. Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them. ~ Jesus, Mark 11: 22-24

Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
~ Heb. 13:8

PS: The Gospel separates and divides. Truth never changes for the sake of emotion.

....And another of his disciples said unto him, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father. But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead. ~ Jesus, Matt. 8:21-2

He that loveth father or mother more than me is NOT WORTHY of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is NOT WORTHY of me. And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is NOT WORTHY of me. ~ Jesus, Matt. 10:37-8

Whether one man or a thousand die, none of this changes the Word of God....and perhaps only one in a thousand does have the sort of faith to obtain the promises of God, and that is why I advise you and others who deny the Word of God, and clearly have NO FAITH AT ALL to continue seeing doctors and taking medicine, or suffer the results of having neither.

You may be waiting for the next 'Overcomer' to fall, yet your abysmal and caustic declarations against those who do trust God, is not going to win you any favors across the great divide.

[odysseus]

It’s been awhile since I’ve been by this site. My how things haven’t changed.


Hombre, our existence isn’t based around trying to defame a man. We’re just offering our opinions. Which by the way doesn’t start out with un-Christian insults like calling a poster “Passin-Upchuck”.

Let me get this straight. You’re an overcomer right? An ‘ubber-Christian? Come on really? You can’t even overcome your hateful attitude towards people that disagree with you. Passin-thru has acted like the gentleman in every way with you. You on the other-hand have acted like a un-regenerate coward (which is typical) with your name calling. Keep it up, your great advertising for a ‘Freemanite’. Even Freeman wouldn’t be pleased with your displays.

We just use common sense. Try it, works every time it’s tried. If not give me your address I’ll send you a box of venomous snakes so you can ‘test your faith”.

You love trying to dangle your detractors over the pit of Hell don’t you? Is this how you tried to control your family? Didn’t work did it?

You’ve alienated your entire family. At least you’ve got a new wife. Wait a minute, overcomers don’t divorce and remarry….unless. Oh Hombre, did she? Or did you?


We’re not waiting for the “Next Overcomer to fall”. You making yourself out to be more important than a mild distraction and some good entertainment.


Hombre you just love to hate people who disagree with you don’t you? You’re certainly brave behind your keyboard. I’ll bet that you wouldn’t talk to Healed like you do if he was standing in front of you,… would you? Nah, didn’t think so.

[hombre]

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Odd-Suess Creature: Hombre you just love to hate people who disagree with you don’t you? You’re certainly brave behind your keyboard. I’ll bet that you wouldn’t talk to Healed like you do if he was standing in front of you,… would you? Nah, didn’t think so.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

Hey, I'm really impressed with your ability to resist talking down at someone....but anyway, perhaps we should re-define the coward here, because I'm kinda getting tthe idea that you'd like to invite me to a good round of fisticuffs....but with another person.

...here kitty, kitty.......

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[odysseus]

Tsk tsk, you really revel in your hate. I’ve told you months ago where you can find me. And yes, if you talked to me like you have talked to Passin-thru and Healed I have to admit I would teach you a lesson. After all didn’t you justify your base attitudes by using Jesus turning over the money tables in the temple? Well it would be like me turning you over, so-to speak. Spanking time Hombre! Boy do you ever need one!

You’ve hurt someone that my family loved. It happened many months ago. You used your trademark holier-than- thou approach and questioned her honor. I even warned you. You didn’t care. I gave you the chance to apologize. You didn’t. Someday we’ll meet. Maybe healed will meet you first. Now that will be entertainment!

[healed]

"Your existence is based around the pursuit of defaming a man, now dead, who once proclaimed the uncompromising Word of God, which some misunderstood ( as Paul says ) or perverted ( as you and others have )".

No, Hombre. Some did not misunderstand what Freeman spoke. Everyone listened to every word that those tapes played, they were rewound over and over, in order to try to hear the lattest rule that came from Hobarts mouth. If you didnt abide by those rules, you were living in sin. Your always trying to spin things, like we werent there. I know exactly what went on, so your not fooling me or passin. You make it sound like everyone was at fault for listening to Freeman, and he shared no blame whatsoever for all the insanity that went on. What is this? Some kind of wacked thinking is what it is.

There is one thing a Freemanite can do; quote scripture. What he/she cant do is look at the same scripture with common sense and not twist it into something it wasnt meant to be.

[hombre]

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Well it would be like me turning you over, so-to speak. Spanking time Hombre! ...... I even warned you. You didn’t care. I gave you the chance to apologize. You didn’t. Someday we’ll meet. Maybe healed will meet you first. Now that will be entertainment!<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

...and so in other words, we can see that:

1. You need to resort to violence when you perceive someone else to be winning an argument, or has a differing opinion from yours.

2. ...you are not one of those that turn the other cheek.

Thank you once again for revealing your character for all to see.

[hombre]

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You’ve hurt someone that my family loved. It happened many months ago. You used your trademark holier-than- thou approach and questioned her honor. I even warned you. You didn’t care. I gave you the chance to apologize. You didn’t. <!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

She came in here with accusations of rape by the clergy, yet wouldn't back up her claims with names or any other evidence.

Further, though she makes these claims, she is also unwilling to bring these perps to justice. People all over the US are doing this to Catholic priests who have done the same. If your loved one has been wronged in this way, it is a travesty of the highest order, and I encourage you to encourage her to talk to a prosecuter about it.

That sort of thing goes beyond our religious disagreements.

...but I've said all this before, you just don't bother to read, or you 'read into' what I say instead of taking it for face value...in the same way you and your friends do with the scriptures.

[hombre]

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UNHEALED: There is one thing a Freemanite can do; quote scripture. What he/she cant do is look at the same scripture with common sense and not twist it into something it wasnt meant to be.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

Good job on the demonically inspired synopsis.

Now tell me why this means something other than what it says, and why we can't trust God to tell us what He means:

What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them. ~ Jesus, Mark 11:24

It takes far more courage to believe than it does to doubt.

[healed]

"demonically inspired"?

says who? says you? what gives you the authority?

and why I always gotta be "Un Healed"?

[hombre]

...funny that you should ask me the same question that the Pharisees asked Jesus.

[healed]

Well Jesus could back it up with miracles. you and the other Freeman followers never proved anything.

[hombre]

You seem to be getting into the habit of referencing the Bible lately.......may I qoute your friend, the devil?

'If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.'

I don't have to prove anything to anybody, Un.

I'm only a signpost at a crossroads, besides, time is not yet over, and you may well see the sorts of dramatic miracles happening before the end that you need in order to believe....but as Jesus story of the rich man and Lazarus reveals, so it is with all:

If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead. ~ Luke 16:31

...blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. ~ John 20:29

[healed]

Well Hobart wasnt a prophet. He was a misguided man with a big ego who never performed one miracle, but did die claiming his healing. Never figured that one out. Kind of hard to beleive in something like that Hombre. Thats where you drop off, avoiding the question. All your doing is endorsing everything that Freeman taught when you put up scripture. Your mind is completely focused on the all or nothing approach that HEF taught. You put up there "blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed" So when was I supposed to see HEFs miracle? his healing? We held out to the end, but he died, and you all prayed like no tommorow but he did not rise. Common sense Hombre...use it.

[passin_thru]

That’s right, Healed! Freeman was the one who put God to the test. Anyone with common sense can see where it got him (an early grave). Tragically, Freeman’s warped doctrine also killed many other people, mostly innocent children.

It’s so ironic when the few remaining Freeman overcomers accuse, “Pharisee!” Overcomers are the ones who proudly exclaim they are God’s elite and superior to all others. They are the ones who legalize the insignificant and reject the love of God and love for others.

We may live to see the day when God again performs great miracles for all to see. However, He will use humble believers who praise Jesus, not the likes of Hobart Freeman.

[hombre]

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UNHEALED: ..... Never figured that one out. <!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

...doesn't surprise me...but then again, you're really not 'into' seeking the mind of the Lord, are you?

[hombre]

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PASSIN UP-CHUCK: That’s right, Healed! Freeman was the one who put God to the test. Anyone with common sense can see where it got him (an early grave). <!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

Thanks for once again revealing your inner beliefs for all to see.
...I don't think I could have provided a better example of faithlessness than you just demonstrated, which is in direct contradiction to the teachings of Christ.

And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.
For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith. Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them. ~ Mark 11: 22-24

[hombre]

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PASSIN UP-CHUCK: Overcomers are the ones who proudly exclaim they are God’s elite and superior to all others. They are the ones who legalize the insignificant and reject the love of God and love for others. <!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

..perhaps you should tell me where exactly where it is that I have differed from the words of Jesus in denouncing your faithless and perverse belief system.

BTW, quoting the great 'love chapter', 1 Cor. 13:

Charity ...rejoiceth in the truth; ....Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

Love is NOT about embracing anyone, regardless of their beliefs. Love is about REJOICING IN THE TRUTH.

ONE Lord, ONE faith, ONE baptism...into THAT faith.

....But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be acursed. As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. ~ Gal 1:8-9

..and what is that gospel?

1. Jesus Christ and Him crucified. 1 Cor. 2:2
2. The redemption from the curse of the law. Gal. 3:13
3. Our stature in Him. John 14:12, Luke 10:20, Mark 16, Mark 11:22-4, Rom. 8:16-19, Eph. 4:13-16

[hombre]

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PASSIN UP-CHUCK: ...the day when God again performs great miracles for all to see. However, He will use humble believers who praise Jesus, not the likes of Hobart Freeman. <!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

...huh.

That is somewhat new to me. I know that humility is a wonderful virtue, and is something that we all should embrace ( including yourself ), and are or should be integral parts of a believers life, however I have searched the scriptures in vain trying to find the verse where Jesus says ' Daughter thy humility and praise hath made thee whole...go in peace.' or this one: 'Whatsoever things you desire, when you pray, have humility and praise, and you shall have them'......what version of the Bible are you reading?

...so anyway, here we are, you denouncing faith toward God in your first sentence, and now telling us how that one day we may see people performing miracles who are humble and 'praise Jesus'...tell me....if you believe that one cannot trust God to perform what He said He would in His word, then how is it that you believe that one day, people who are 'humble and praise Jesus' will be used by God to perform miracles?

I am told that God neither lies nor changes, yet with one breath you are telling me that He can't be trusted to perform His Word*, and in another, somehow, He can?

* '....For the eyes of the LORD run to and fro throughout the whole earth, to shew himself strong in the behalf of them whose heart is perfect toward him.' 2 Chron 16 :9

...I think that says in a much better way, what you are attempting to say, Chuck. I think that you're looking in the correct direction, however, your misconceptions about who I and others are, and what we stand for, are a stumbling block to you. I suggest that you begin to read the Bible with a prayerful open heart and mind, and stop filtering it through the eyes of one who is only interested in expressing contempt and moral superiority toward others.

In this, I find you to be far too religious.

Pull the log out of your own eye first.

[passin_thru]

As always, many words, no understanding.

I can and have previously documented many Hobart Freeman inspired deaths, two in my own family. Name me a single documented miraculous healing he performed. Freeman liked talking about limbs growing anew. Name me just one of those.

Give me the Bible verse that says believers are to follow a teacher who brings needless suffering and death. Tell me the scripture that warns, “Exercising faith in the Lord may be hazardous to your health!”

[hombre]

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PASSIN UP-CHUCK: As always, many words, no understanding.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

As always, few words, no comprehension. F minus.

[passin_thru]

After all these years, you still have your head up a dead man’s butt. If you don’t pull it out, you’ll never see the truth. You’d have to start over way back at the sinner’s prayer.

It’s not about miracles or Freeman’s ‘deeper life’. It’s about being just a servant among many who believe in Jesus Christ, love God and love others.

I’m once again backing out for a while. Catch ya’ another time.

[hombre]

...in the days of Noah, in the time before the flood,
all men had turned their hearts to sin and turned away from God.
..only one did God call righteous, only Noah did He save,
the others in their wickedness, by the flood were washed away.

..now there's another flood a comin', it's a flood of end-time evil,
and like a mighty wave, it shall soon engulf all people,
but although the sky above you may look dark,
for Gods' people, there's an ark,
you alone my friend decide
whether you will be inside,
if you will only pay the price
to be a living sacrifice
upon the alter,
brother, don't you falter,
for when the world in tribulation is crying loud,
you can be with the Lord Jesus, dwelling in the clouds.

..now our ark, it is a promise, to those who overcome,
who are walking in obedience, in mature faith as sons,'
no, it will not be all the church, but those who've gone all the way,
..only overcomers from tribulation are caught away.

~ Carl Seitz

[healed]

yes! I like that....hombre got his head up a dead mans butt. So true. For the deaths in your family, Hombre will only say he is sorry for that, when of course he isnt since he never experienced anything like that. If he did, he would have to challenge the nonsense he believes in.

[hombre]

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Hombre....never experienced anything like that.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

Well, of course, I haven't ever experienced anything even remotely evil. Death? what's that?, Sickness?...what's that?, Poverty?...what's that?

One cannot live in this world and not experience some measure of evil, moron.

I've been through more than most I know, and NO, I don't care to magnify the negative, as you sons of Belial do so readily.

...uh...DUH.....that's what the GOSPEL is for.

...but for faithless and perverse enemies of it, there really is nothing else for you except the negative. So you go on about your own business, magnifying the works of your father, THE DEVIL, and I'll go on about, magnifying the cross of Jesus Christ and what He bought for me through His shed blood.

I bet you don't like that do you...The blood of Jesus?

..does that get under your skin just a little bit?

...that ought to tell you that you are in desperate need of deliverance as well as salvation.

No time better than today to begin the walk on the road to the kingdom, to begin the walk of wisdom in the fear of the Lord.

Ask Jesus into your heart today, Unhealed. Admit to Him that you are a unregenerate sinner in need of His grace and salvation, ask Him to forgive you, and give you new life in Him, and He will have mercy on you.

[healed]

Jesus already has mercy on me, its you who doesnt, and you wont until I accept your ridiculous beliefs.

So your saying that someone in your family died while attending FA? Or you just want us to think that? You speak of Jesus and his mercy, I thought Jesus said turn the other cheek. I dont see how calling me a moron is turning the other cheek. You aint fooling nobody, you aint no different than anybody else.

[hombre]

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UNHEALED: dont see how calling me a moron is turning the other cheek. You aint fooling nobody, you aint no different than anybody else.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

May I qoute Jesus?

'.... Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe ALL that the prophets have spoken:....'

...wasn't He the guy that said not to call anyone a fool lest they be in danger of hellfire?

...kinda looks like He's either 'degrading' someone, or He's pickin' a fight.

I choose to believe that He was simply telling the truth.

If it looks like a duck and quacks like one, It's a duck.

...but as it was then, so it is now.

We still have fools who refuse to believe ALL that the scriptures say.

Like this verse by The Greatest Prophet, God Himself:

And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God. For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith. Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them. ~ Mark 11:22-4

Now then, I have no apologies for morons... but they have need for pity, in that they apparently cannot comprehend what I have just quoted, though Jesus has laid it out in the most simple of terms, so that even a child could understand.

...and no I'm no different than anyone else, but I am forgiven, which is something that you should ask for...sooner rather than later.

BTW: I'm going to remind Jesus in prayer that you think that what He said is ridiculous. He already knows that, of course. I just want to enjoy His presence though, and hear his laughter echo through the universe, about a gnat who thinks he's bigger and smarter than God.

Squish.

If I were you, I'd start getting smart.

The things that you and your buddies here say, are absolutely frightening.

One last note.

'Ain't' isn't in the learned mans dictionary of the English language...and the word 'your' is possessive, rather than the correct form: 'you're' which is an abbreviation of what you meant to say, that is: 'you are'.

I believe that was 3rd grade English.

....although it would be entertaining, don't bother trying to win a million with Jeff Foxworthy.

[healed]

I dont really bother with a spell or grammer check because I know there is always some goof around like you to correct it for me.

You know the more you ramble, the more we can see through your smokescreen of scripture quotes and other stupid B.S. We can easily see that your cornered and feel the need to defend yourself/Freeman.

[hombre]

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UNHEALED: dont really bother with a spell or grammer check because I know there is always some goof around like you to correct it for me. <!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

...it's not about being accurate in minutia, but it is about being literate, which would explain why you can't understand plain English...like Mark 11:24, among numerous others. Your poor grammer and spelling is only a symptom of your ignorance and stubbornness.

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You know the more you ramble, the more we can see through your smokescreen of scripture quotes and other stupid B.S. We can easily see that your cornered and feel the need to defend yourself/Freeman.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

...were you aware that you are going to answer to The LORD one day for calling His Word 'stupid B.S.' ( which established the heavens and the earth, as well as upholding your miserable life ) ?

..perhaps the Lord will turn you into a stupid cow, like Nebuchanezzar, for your prideful rants against Him.

God help you.

[healed]

So now you think your the Lord? My "prideful rants" arent against him, they are against you!

[hombre]

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UNHEALED:So now you think your the Lord? My "prideful rants" arent against him, they are against you!<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

I will attempt to explain this to you.

When you say:

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UNHEALED, post # 54: ..scripture quotes and other stupid B.S.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

....'other stupid B.S.' refers to 'scripture quotes' as being the primary B.S.

..perhaps it is only the rudimentary skills that you possess in the English language that caused this, but I think it's just your heart revealing itself for what it is.

[micah]

at least use the quote and dont paraphrase it. the whole quote was simply this:

"the more we can see through your smokescreen of scripture quotes and other stupid B.S. We can easily see that your cornered and feel the need to defend yourself/Freeman."

I think it is painfully obvious even to the most grammatically challenged that there is a distinction between "scripture quotes" and "other BS" in that sentence. Healed was just saying that you use both, not that they are one in the same.
I graduated from preschool, thats how I know that.

Cheers }

[micah]

and hombre, why have you so conveniently neglected to answer my post on the "tell your real names" thread?

I sense a lack of testes.

[hombre]

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MICAH: ....I graduated from preschool, thats how I know that. <!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

Thanks for the clarification on your acheivements, as well as what side of the fence you stand on.

...that would explain how you don't quite understand that the 'object' of the sentence includes both 'scripture quotes' and 'other stupid B.S.', and that the describing adjective 'other' also refers to 'scripture quotes' as being part of that set.

Going back to my intial statment to you, you can see the same sentence structure, Micah. The word 'clarification' refers not only to 'your level of acheivement', but also to the 'side of the fence' you are on.

It's really quite simple, but it probably requires a 4th grade level of education.

BTW: If you had bothered to read back 2 posts, you would have seen that I did use the ENTIRE sentence as a direct quote ( my post #104 ), but that is part of your problem, as well as the rest of the unbelievers here: you jump into the middle of something and make assumptions based upon your ignorance of the situation, without doing the requisite research to understand.

...and Micah...I sense a lack of grey matter.

[healed]

All Freemanites say the same thing; "you need to get saved"
So I get saved, now lets go down to the nearest Church of Christ. No! They dont preach the full gospel. Who preaches the full gospel? The only one we have found is Hobart Freeman. So we always get back to square one. Its either FA or nobody. Then you wonder why this mess has turned people away from church.

[johiyom]

healed, you are so right. I concur. You HIT the nail on the head with that statement.

[healed2]

brother healed is back and not to be stopped.