Swearing Oaths to Medical Deities

[fivefoldprophet]

James 5:12 But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.
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Pentecostal/charismatic Christianity has Embraced the Sorcery of Simon
Would you give your body to men who swear to medical Gods? (devils)
\when the Lord Jesus has given us elders who have Hands with the Power to heal

James 5:14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:

James 5:15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.}

You can exersize Faith in Jesus ,, or exersize unbelief in the institution of the AMA
That is responsible for millions of abortions ( murderers)

[fivefoldprophet]

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/doctors/oath_classical.html

NOVA Online
Hippocratic Oath --

I swear by Apollo Physician and Asclepius and Hygieia and Panaceia and all the gods and goddesses, making them my witnesses, that I will fulfil according to my ability and judgment this oath and this covenant:

[fivefoldprophet]

Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Rod of Asclepius
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The Rod of Asclepius is an ancient Greek symbol associated with astrology and healing the sick with medicine. It consists of a serpent entwined around a staff. Asclepius, the son of Apollo, was practitioner of medicine in ancient Greek mythology. He was instructed in medicine by the centaur Chiron also connected to the constellation Ophiuchus.

http://drblayney.com/Asclepius.html
Who was Asclepius? Asclepius was most probably a skilled physician who practised in Greece around 1200BC (and described in Homer's Iliad). Eventually through myth and legend he came to be worshipped as Asclepius, the (Greek) god of Healing. [See BBC reference]
Medical schools developed, which were usually connected to temples or shrines called Asclepions (Asclepieia) dedicated to Asclepius. The Asclepion became very important in Greek society. Patients believed they could be cured by sleeping in them. They would visit, offering gifts and sacrifices to the god, and be treated by priest healers (called the Asclepiadae). The worship of Asclepius spread to Rome and continued as late as the sixth century.
The Asclepiadae were a large order of priest physicians who controlled the sacred secrets of healing, which were passed from father to son. Harmless Aesculapian snakes were kept in the combination hospital-temples built by the ancient Greeks and, later, by the Romans in honor of the god. The snakes are found not only in their original range of southern Europe, but also in the various places in Germany and Austria where Roman temples had been established. Escaped snakes survived and flourished.
Smooth, glossy, and slender, the snake has a uniformly brown back with a streak of darker color behind the eyes. The snake's belly is yellowish or whitish and has ridged scales that catch easily on rough surfaces, making it especially adapted for climbing trees. Scientific classification: The Aesculapian snake belongs to the family Colubridae. It is classified as Elaphe longissima.
Meditrine, Hygeia and Panacea: The children of Asclepius included his daughters Meditrina, Hygeia and Panacea who were symbols of medicine, hygiene and healing (literally, "all healing") respectively. Two of the sons of Asclepius appeared in Homer's Illiad as physicians in the Greek army (Machaon and Podalirius).
Despite the unequivocal claim of the staff of Asclepius to represent medicine (and healing), the caduceus, a rod with two entwined serpents topped by a pair of wings appears to be the more popular symbol of medicine in the United States, probably due to simple confusion between the caduceus and the staff of Asclepius, the true symbol of medicine. Many people use the word caduceus to mean both of these emblems.

[fivefoldprophet]

its not good to build upon another mans foundation
( I don’t)
Yet in regards to Hobart Freeman’s position on Healing
He was correct and His understanding of the spiritual danger of
compromising with sorcery was Sound Doctrine
So what happened ? With those who are compromising?


2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

[fivefoldprophet]

Webster’s collage dictionary;
phar•ma•cy (fär‚mƒ sŽ) n., pl. -cies 1. DRUGSTORE. 2. Also called pharmaceutics. the art and science of preparing and dispensing drugs and medicines. [1645–55; earlier pharmacia < ML < Gk pharmakeía druggist's work. See PHARMACO-, -Y3]

pharmaco- a combining form meaning "drug": pharmacology. [comb. form repr. Gk phármakon drug]

Acts 8:9 (KJV) But there was a certain man, called Simon, which beforetime in the same city used sorcery, and bewitched the people of Samaria, giving out that himself was some great one:


mageuo, Greek 3096, Strong’s
mageuo, mag-yoo'-o; from Greek 3097 (magos); to practice magic :- use sorcery.
pharmakeia, Greek 5331, Strong’s
pharmakeia, &amp;#65532; far-mak-i'-ah; from Greek 5332 (pharmakeus); medication (“pharmacy”), i.e. (by extension) magic (literal or figurative) :- sorcery, witchcraft.

Acts 8:11 (KJV) And to him they had regard, because that of long time he had bewitched them with sorceries.

Rev. 9:21 (KJV) Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.

Rev. 18:23 (KJV) And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

[fivefoldprophet]

wake up to the TRUTH
John 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

Exodus 15:26 And said, If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, and wilt do that which is right in his sight, and wilt give ear to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I am the LORD that healeth thee.

Matthew 14:35 And when the men of that place had knowledge of him, they sent out into all that country round about, and brought unto him all that were diseased;
Matthew 14:36 And besought him that they might only touch the hem of his garment: and as many as touched were made perfectly whole.

Hebrews 13:8 (KJV) Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.


DO YOU LOVE JESUS? WAKE UP!

[duncan]

Five,

As Bob Vila always says on his home improvement show:

"It's good to have you home again!"

Duncan

[fivefoldprophet]

Are you a Overcomer? walking in the Spirit?
have you crucified the flesh? do you trust in the Arm of the flesh?
Do you commit sin? Or overcome sin? are you of this World?
Or not of this world? Do you Have the Full Amour of God on?
Have you put on the new man which after God is Created
In righteousness and true Holiness? Have you received the power
To become the sons of God? Do you tread on scorpions and serpents?
And have power over all the power of the enemy?
Are you more than a conqueror?
Is He that is in you greater than he that is in this world?
Are you part of MY church?

Ephesians 5:27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

[fivefoldprophet]

Do you have signs following you? Have you laid hands on the sick?
Have they recovered? Have you cast out devils? Are you
Baptized in the Holy Ghost? Have you spoken in Tongues?
DO YOU HAVE A PROPHET?
Ephesians 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

Receive the Truth! Be Blessed
In Jesus’s mighty name!

[fivefoldprophet]

Duncan
GBU

tell Bob to build on the ROCK!

[duncan]

Five,
What does GBU stand for? I've never seen that before?

As for Bob - Good line.

Duncan

[fivefoldprophet]

haha Its Paltalk slang
God Bless You!

[duncan]

Five,
Thanks for the clarification, and the words. I guess I'm not up to date on all of my acronyms.

Duncan

[franklin]

"DO YOU HAVE A PROPHET?"


We don't need no stinking prophet!

Prophets are for cults.

Prophets were for the Old Testament times before Christ.

The Holy Spirit replaces the need for prophets.

[mark1124]

Well look who is back...fivefoldfalseprophet. What false prophecies do you have for us today, Michael? I will give you this though...at least we can agree on what you said about the medical deities and what Hobart Freeman taught. I just wish that the others in this forum would realize that Brother Freeman was right about the teachings (or shall Isay say...warnings...about trusting in the arm of the flesh.

Seriously though, Michael...it is nice to see you back. I hope we can get along better than we did the last time. I just hope that you don't accuse me anymore of the falsities that you did the last time. All you need to do is simply apolgize for the harm that you did.

(Message edited by mark1124 on April 02, 2007)

[duncan]

Franklin,

Not to argue, but there is the office of a prophet listed several places in the New Testament, so it is not just for the OT. However, I believe the New Testament office is much different from the Old Testament, because they did not have the benefit of the Bible in the OT. Today, we have the Bible, which is all-sufficient to teach us and answer our questions. I see the office of a prophet today as one who proclaims the Word of God as found in the scripture, not someone who delivers a message that has never been heard before (such as the case in the OT.)

Just my thoughts.

Duncan

[hombre]

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( Franklin ) We don't need no stinking prophet!

Prophets are for cults.

Prophets were for the Old Testament times before Christ.

The Holy Spirit replaces the need for prophets.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

I'm not justifying Fivers calling, Frank, but I'm nevertheless real sorry to burst your bubble.

Ephesians 4 : 11-14.

...And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; ....

[mark1124]

Looks like Franklin is back with his garbage.

But look...he deleted his post before I got to read it. What a shame!

To not need prophets sounds like the cessationists gibberish that it all passed away with the completion of the canon garbage.

I agree with the word which says that God gave us prophets, as well as the other offices in Eph 4. They will be here until the rapture takes place.

[franklin]

"Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:"

That happened at the Nicene Council. The books that were deemed to be inspired by God were compiled into the sacred Holy Bible. From there on we had enough of the unity of faith, the definition of our beliefs so that we "henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; ....".

That time has come and gone. Anyone claiming to be a prophet nowadays is a deceiver.

[fivefoldprophet]

some are called ,some are sent ,some just packed up their bags and went.....

1 Corinthians 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

1 Cor. 14:32 (KJV) And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.

[franklin]

You might think you need a guru to stand between you and God, but scripture tells me otherwise.

Not any man but ONLY Christ is between us and God.

[fivefoldprophet]

Franklin and mark1124 your judgment is your words
I will warn you both , be careful lest you grieve the Holy Ghost!

[franklin]

Your man worshipping of false prophets is very grievous to the Holy Ghost. These phonies you set up on pedestals are usurping the role and authority of the Holy Ghost!

[fivefoldprophet]

1 Cor. 14:37 (KJV) If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.


do you believe Paul?

Ephesians 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

[franklin]

"Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:"

That happened at the Nicene Council. The books that were deemed to be inspired by God were compiled into the sacred Holy Bible. From there on we had enough of the unity of faith, the definition of our beliefs so that we "henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; ....".

That time has come and gone. Anyone claiming to be a prophet nowadays is a deceiver.

[fivefoldprophet]

paltalk
room title christian section
prophets here to serve you

come in and take the mic and talk

its open now

[mark1124]

Fivefold...you are not a prophet of God. You are a false prophet if anything. I do not fear a false prophet.

Franklin...since we do not need prophets, as you claim, then we don't need the evangelists, pastors and teachers either.

Fivefoldfalseprophet, it looks like you have not repented of your sins. Why should I listen to you? It was YOU that grieved the Holy Spirit by coming against me in my prayer against the war. It was YOU that grieved the Holy Spirit by your false accusations against me about postting to a porno site and telling bad jokes. It was YOU that grieved the Holy Spirit by saying bad things about me, David Rodriguez, Wendall Snavely, and hurting people like Joanne and myself. It is YOU that grieved the Holy Spirit for your unrepentant behavior. And you minister the gospel with song and violin like you do? You deceive the masses with your message. You are a wolf in sheep's clothing and have proved that you are unrepentant of your tirades against all of us. The Lord have mercy on your soul. How many people have you condemned in your room today Michael? At least when I did my room, people felt the love of God there. But all we hear is condemnation in yours.

Sorry Michael. I don't take you seriously. I have had enough of your gibberish. Same goes with Franklin. I don't want to read your gibberish here or on Cultbusters. I hear you've been a bad boy there Franklin. The Lord have mercy on you too.

[franklin]

Don't besmirch my name and character with your insinuations manworshipper. May God show mercy to you too.

[fivefoldprophet]

they removed you (mark) as a admin,,



I have had the pastor (brenneman) agree with my stand against you,,, and so did wendel snavely,, he said you prayed for war three times and was way of order...

the Pastor Brenneman said your Jokes were
not christ like,, so did David Rodriguez

the Lord gave me a prophesy that you would dry up.
and you did,,,, you are not the admin because God removed you ,,,because you would not repent and are in pride

you should wake up before you dig a deeper hole

[mark1124]

I did not dry up. I am more on fire for God than I have ever been. Therefore, you are a false prophet.

[mark1124]

And another thing Michael. Brenneman lied to me by telling me a half truth. I resigned as admin. I was not removed by Brenneman. So he lied to you too. He lied to me by saying that it was time to change the admin code anyway when I wanted to come back. But Joanne said something totally different. So he lied again and he was in shock that I told him that he lied.

And it goes to prove to me how deceived they all were for thinking that my prayer supported the war. And anyone, including you, are also deceived who think the same way. God knows that I did not intend to pray anything that was contrary to His revealed will. Sorry falseprophet, you're wrong again. So is Brenneman, Snaveley and Rodriguez. You have my blessings to tell them I said so.

Next false prophecy please.

[duncan]

Didn't we already see this movie a couple of years ago?? Are we going to be forced to see the re-run?

Gentlemen, let's please not go through all this again. It is not edifying to the board, nor to the body of Christ. It only serves to discourage people who read it.

It is obvious that neither of you will change your position, so why bother arguing?

Duncan

[mark1124]

Simple Duncan.

Michael will not repent.
But you are right. I have better things to do with my time than to discuss things with a false prophet.

[mark1124]

Now that we have put the false prophet and the heretics behind us, it is time for something more edifying.

In light of what the false prophet wrote at the beginning of this thread, I began to think of the cult websites that mention Brother Freeman. Some of them, if you will observe, say that Brother Freeman and FA "shunned" medical science and doctors but they never mentioned why. Based on the false prophet's information, it is obvious to see why Brother Freeman didn't "shun" doctors and medical science, but warned the flock about the dangers of going that route for healing and taught a better way...that is through the atonement of Jesus Christ. That is the way a true shepherd of God's sheep should do...watch and warn about the dangers that are out there. I thank God that Brother Freeman did not neglect the call of God on his life.

[fivefoldprophet]

Duncan Thanks

Lord Bless YOU

[fivefoldprophet]

its interesting to see the increase of occult activity in the world of medical science
do a word search study on labyrinth
growing amounts of hospitals are incorporating them in as occult healing circles

[mark1124]

And another thing Michael. Brenneman lied to me by telling me a half truth. I resigned as admin. I was not removed by Brenneman. So he lied to you too. He lied to me by saying that it was time to change the admin code anyway when I wanted to come back. But Joanne said something totally different. So he lied again and he was in shock that I told him that he lied.

And it goes to prove to me how deceived they all were for thinking that my prayer supported the war. And anyone, including you, are also deceived who think the same way. God knows that I did not intend to pray anything that was contrary to His revealed will. Sorry falseprophet, you're wrong again. So is Brenneman, Snaveley and Rodriguez. You have my blessings to tell them I said so.

Next false prophecy please.

[fivefoldprophet]

Lots of websites on hospitals with labyrinths
saw a news report in florida channel 2 news
out of orlando dr. ted husky led a group
of doctors thru a labyrinth at the florida hospital they were seeking spiritual energy
it was amazing watching AMA physcians practicing
the Occult...

Wake up! people Jesus is the only true physician!

do your own search on labyrinths and hospitals
and also with wicca....



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[mark1124]

As I said earlier, Freeman warned everyone about the dangers of going to medical science. And yet, Christians who claim that God is their healer still want to trust in man instead. It doesn't make sense to me. Simple research, as Michael has done, should suffice. Why would anyone still want to go to the arm of flesh after reading this information is beyond me.

Thank God that He is our Healer!

[healed]

well I like the re run. Fi Fo Fu got it out for Mark.

[hombre]

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FRANKLIN:That time has come and gone. Anyone claiming to be a prophet nowadays is a deceiver.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

Anyone taking away or adding to the Bible is a deceiver; which is precisely what you are doing, Franklin. What do you do with the 2 prophets from Revelation 11?...from the looks of things, you'll be one of those rejoicing with the rest of the world at their death.

[hombre]

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FRANKLIN: You might think you need a guru to stand between you and God, but scripture tells me otherwise.

Not any man but ONLY Christ is between us and God.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

Ah.....now I see where you are confused, Franklin. Yes, we have no other MEDIATOR between God and man, than the man Christ Jesus, BUT God set offices in the church for the purposes previously outlined in Eph. 4 : 11-14, UNTIL we ALL come to the unity of THE FAITH....which has not happened yet, as is so painfully evident from looking at this board.

[hombre]

<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1>quote:</font>

FIVER: paltalk
room title christian section
prophets here to serve you

come in and take the mic and talk

its open now<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

Too funny....what do you think true religion is Fiver? BTW: the working of gifts is 'as the Spirit wills', not as YOU will. Advertising yourself as a prophet waiting to serve the next number in line, is no different than the tv psychics and fortunetellers....nothwithsanding, I also note a element of prideful arrogance in that statement, that is also unbecoming to someone claiming to have been annointed to fill that office.

[hombre]

<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1>quote:</font>

Didn't we already see this movie a couple of years ago?? Are we going
to be forced to see the re-run?

Gentlemen, let's please not go through all this again. It is not
edifying to the board, nor to the body of Christ. It only serves to
discourage people who read it.

It is obvious that neither of you will change your position, so why
bother arguing?<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

Seems logical, doesn't it?...nevertheless, regardless of what this may or may not look like to outsiders, there is sometimes a wealth of information displayed about the various personas represented here...and the bottom line is, that we are commanded to: 'contend for The Faith which was once delivered to the saints'......which is precisely what is happening here. Peaceful co-existence with error, lies and heresy is really quite impossible; though I greatly respect your attitude of brotherly love and conciliation.

[fivefoldprophet]

Hombre
instead of people inventing their own opinions
The scripture gives answers and is a perfect yard stick of truth
John 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
Agree?

So what does the scripture say?
1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.


Try the spirits of prophets , put them on Trial..
Agree?
(who wrote these statements below?)
1# they only speak in the name of Yahweh
2# spoke only by revelation or inspiration
3# could be identified by the testimony of his own moral character
4# was conscience of a definite call experience
5# commission often was authenticated with signs or miracles
6# message was in harmony with previous revelation
7# historical conformation authenticated true prophet
8# moral quality of the message differentiated between true and false
9# hearers discernment indicated true or false

Hombre do you agree with the information that I have posted in this
thread concerning swearing oaths to medical deities?

Hombre who is your Prophet?

Lord Bless
michael

[fivefoldprophet]

hombre
you ask;
>Too funny....what do you think true religion is Fiver?<

answer; the words "true religion" are not in scripture
so what is in scripture? "pure religion"
James 1:27 (KJV) Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

Do agree with this scripture?

Hombre this is my church are you a member?

Ephesians 5:27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

“I hope so”
God bless you

michael

[fivefoldprophet]

So why does the socalled “ word of faith”/“charismatic” ”Pentecostal”//
Go to physicians who swear oaths to medical deities?
when the scripture says:

James 5:12 But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.

When the Lord who created the heavens and earth gave us Elders?

James 5:14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: 15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.


The Prayer of Faith is not embracing men who swear oaths to devils!


so why ?????

2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;


Jesus is lord

michael

[fivefoldprophet]

God Heals with miracles nowhere in scripture does it say;
God heals naturally

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Simon the sorcerer used natural healing remedies

Nowhere in scripture are Herbs said to be Gods medicine

Herbs are FOOD

Genesis 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
Genesis 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
Genesis 9:3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.
Psalms 104:14 He causeth the grass to grow for the cattle, and herb for the service of man: that he may bring forth food out of the earth;
Proverbs 15:17 Better is a dinner of herbs where love is, than a stalled ox and hatred therewith.


MY Jesus is not a Plant!
Wake up!


So what is Gods medicine?????
Proverbs 17:22 A merry heart doeth good like a medicine: but a broken spirit drieth the bones.




Lord Bless you

michael

[fivefoldprophet]

these are just some website searches I have not read each article,, just proves point!
Occult in modern medicine




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John 3:21 (KJV) But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.


God Bless you
michael

[fivefoldprophet]

Hombre do you equate serving with evil HUH?

You said:;Too funny....what do you think true religion is Fiver? BTW: the working of gifts is 'as the Spirit wills', not as YOU will. Advertising yourself as a prophet waiting to serve the next number in line, is no different than the tv psychics and fortunetellers....nothwithsanding, I also note a element of prideful arrogance in that statement, that is also unbecoming to someone claiming to have been annointed to fill that office.

My answer is again
” I will stand on scripture”

Galatians 5:13 (KJV) For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.

Do you agree? the Spirit wills we serve

God bless you
michael


do you agree with serving others???
or is your opinion serving is prideful arrogance?

[mark1124]

Here are some interesting links to the subject being discussed here. Michael has given some very useful information and I would like to add to it just to support his case:

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Health_Concerns/doctors_are_third_leading_cause_of_death.htm

http://www.mercola.com/1999/archive/medical_mistakes.htm

http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/2003/10/29/medical_system_is_leading_cause_of_death_and_injur y_in_us.htm

And how about the costs of trusting the medical dieties instead of the Great Physician.

http://www.mercola.com/1999/archive/us_health_system.htm

I have said this before and I will say it again: Have you ever heard of God needing medical malpractice insurance? Nope. He doesn't make mistakes when it comes to healing the body. And what about the negative side effects to medicines? I never read of a negative side effect in God's method of healing. God's method of healing never changes, and yet new medical information comes out all the time.

Like Michael, I too will stay with the word for it is the word that that is the solid rock on which I stand.

Exodus 15:26 "for I am the LORD that healeth thee." (not the doctors)

Psalms 118:8 *It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man.

So for those who call me a manworshipper or manfollower or a "Freemanite" or whatever...God bless you. For those of you who say that it is nothing but "Freeman's interpretation of the Word", it looks like Michael and I have proven otherwise.

I like what Brother Freeman said on a radio tape that I was listening to while driving to work one day..."You are only a close to the god that you trust." Think about it.

Mark S.

[fivefoldprophet]

When I was young I met Hobart Freeman and when to Faith assembly\
I bought all the tapes available on reel to reel and listen to all of them.
Hobart Freeman came against the teachings of E.W Keyon and his book
What Happened: From the Cross to the Throne ...
It was the point where Freeman separated Himself from
most of the other mainstream Word of Faith Teachers..
Hobart Freeman was careful not to step into the trap of
bashing people , but explained the difference between
these doctrinal positions , I have also warned people
not to step into that trap ( my Point in all pervious posts)…
.One statement alone should be
Sufficient to wake up any believer to the heresy and abomination
That came from that teaching “ Jesus took on the nature of the adversary”
(where is that in scripture?) (not in my bible)
when you add that up with teaching that promotes christian holy wars
And teaching that accepts medicine and physicians who swear
Oaths to medical deities , Christian insurance agencys haha , Christian Rock music.
Christian politics (running for president photos of holding a machine gun dressed in Camo)
Word of faith teachers dancing around on TVs
waving american flags praying for quick wars and supporting the troops as they fight and kill to protect Israel.
it should be enough to see something is wrong!!!!!!
The Scripture says
Romans 10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

It reminds me of the scripture every wind of doctrine!
Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

most mainstream TV word faith ministers teach
the persident is a christian,, have you seen
the white house 2002 harry potter Christmas
Photos? Christmas trees covered with witches
its at the Gov website

I really Believe that it would be best to not build upon another mans foundation.. But rather build upon Christ the Rock…
Have you graduated from following men and now stand on the Word..
I don’t need to defend or follow any dead men, wouldn’t it be better
To fight for truth and defend scripture and minister to others truth
Than get caught up in fighting over someone who has died and
Build upon another mans foundation.. I really believe as long as
I listened and watched Freeman he was always pointing the message
Away from Him and towards the Scripture , He warned people not to
Build upon another mans foundation,,
Lord Bless
Michael


( think about it?? when men swear oaths to deities is it a religion?)

[fivefoldprophet]

also the Lord has told me to warn someone!
this person has the leadership position
(you know who you are!)

You made a statement! Something to the effect!
Quote;
If a person goes to a Doctor it does not mean he may not
be a overcomer


The word the Lord has told me to tell you!

WAKE UP!
Is your God the better of two evils?
if you eat of the tree of the knowledge
of good and evil you shall surly die
Rather eat of the Tree of Life
"Good and Perfect!"
are you in the bond of perfectness?
on the narrow way?

[passin_thru]

Fivefoldprophet, no matter what you say, doctors and dentists are not on trial here. Rather, it is the teaching, fruit and legacy of Hobart Freeman.

I’m no great fan of the medical profession. I’ll never be party to an abortion or seek to save my life thru the taking of another life (stem cell research). However, if someone is bleeding to death, I’ll pray with him/her all the way to the hospital so they can get stitched up. It sounds like you would do nothing for someone needing medical attention.

I sure hope you haven’t been to a doctor or dentist in the last 25 years. You judge it so harshly. It seems more important to you than people’s lives. I can’t imagine how harshly you’ll be judged, if you’ve ever gotten medical treatment or had a tooth filled. (Matthew 7:2 &amp; Romans 2:1)
_____

The few remaining Freeman overcomers always profess the Biblical accuracy of his faith formula. It never bothers them that it doesn’t work. Wherever and whenever it is practiced, suffering and death is always the result. Hobart Freeman quipped, “What I confess, I possess.” It killed him and more than 100 of his followers, mostly children and birthing mothers.

Please don’t give me the sorry refrain, “It was their own fault.” The self-anointed prophet himself couldn’t make it work either. It killed Freeman and his own grandchild. You are blind to the fruit. You are content only to see, “Here it is in the Bible, just the way dear Brother Freeman taught it.”

I have never understood why it is necessary for some to follow a self-anointed prophet. Do you believe God vests all His truth in the likes of a Hobart Freeman? Do you really think the rest of Christendom is a poor also ran, compared to you? That’s nothing but cult mentality and egomania.

Here in FACTnet, overcomers prophesize against each other and contend they are persecuted. If they want to know real persecution, they should travel to Saudi Arabia and preach the Gospel or go to China and hand out Bibles. Then they may indeed end up being better than most other Christians, myself included.

[fivefoldprophet]

passin thru


I think its good to seek Truth and look at different ministries and discern what is Love
we need that to protect our selves from cults and dangerous teaching and warn others
So I agree with your concern ,look at the cults that teach Jesus is not God manifest in the flesh
And other cults that have forced poison on people like Jim Jones and look at Waco when they
were arming themselves for battle and ended up killing themselves and their Children.

You said;
Fivefoldprophet, no matter what you say, doctors and dentists are not on trial here.

Certainly for you dieing and suffering needlessly is the central issue that you are concerned with……
When Christians choose not to go to doctors or use medicine it does not matter who the teacher or prophet is for you the issue is people dieing who didn’t go to the doctor

I agree with you in regards to your concern the bible says the enemy wants to hurt ,murder ,destroy
cause disease ,,,
as Christians we need to arm ourselves to stand against this and minister life and health, love and compassion towards others

I have a question for you as a Christian would you swear a Oath to medical deities? Would
Let a man who has , touch your Body? Or the Body of child you Love?
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/doctors/oath_classical.html

NOVA Online
Hippocratic Oath --

I swear by Apollo Physician and Asclepius and Hygieia and Panaceia and all the gods and goddesses, making them my witnesses, that I will fulfil according to my ability and judgment this oath and this covenant:

The Hippocratic Oath (see ancient and modern versions) is one of the oldest binding documents in history. Written in antiquity, its principles are held sacred by doctors to this day: treat the sick to the best of one's ability, preserve patient privacy, teach the secrets of medicine to the next generation, and so on. "The Oath of Hippocrates," holds the American Medical Association's Code of Medical Ethics (1996 edition), "has remained in Western civilization as an expression of ideal conduct for the physician." Today, most graduating medical-school students swear to some form of the oath, usually a modernized version. Indeed, oath-taking in recent decades has risen to near uniformity, with just 24 percent of U.S. medical schools administering the oath in 1928 to nearly 100 percent today.



Jesus Christ is God manifested in the Flesh today!
would not it be better and even Love to be healed miraculously
by the Very God that Created the heavens and Earth?
Do you agree?


Lord Bless you "Pasin thru"

michael

[fivefoldprophet]

When someone swears to other gods
does their Heart depart from Jesus
who is God! manifest in the flesh?
Would you trust such a person?

Jeremiah 17:5 (KJV) Thus saith the Lord; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man,
and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the Lord.






http://www.medicalmalpractice.com/National-Medical-Malpractice-Facts.cfm
Between 44,000 and 98,000 people die in hospitals annually each year due to preventable medical errors,
the Institute of Medicine found. A survey of doctors and other adults released in December in the
New England Journal of Medicine found that more than a third of the doctors said
they or their family members had experienced medical errors, most leading to serious health consequences.

Lord bless
Michael

[fivefoldprophet]

swearing oaths to medical deities is moving away from magic and witchraft
hahahahahahahahaha!

they had to make a modern version to remove abortion from it when abortion was leglized

http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/292/9/1083

"The Oath," writes Steven H. Miles, MD, in this book, "simply puts the swearer's character on the line for human judgment
on whether the physician has honored the pledges to learn, to teach, to sustain the development of medicine, to benefit the ill,
and to shun injustice." This ancient document attributed to Hippocrates helped medicine become a respected profession.
Perhaps we need to look at it in more detail to fathom the crisis of trust that lurks in our profession.
The oath is selfless and does not deal with economics, institutions, or the politics of medicine. Instead,
it clarifies the relationship of doctor to patient
and marks the turning point toward scientific medicine and away from healing by superstition, magic, witchcraft,
or pseudoreligious metaphors

[fivefoldprophet]

Christians WAKE UP!
Journal of the American Medical Association =JAMA
Jama states some modern forms of the Oath remove words that express gods

but then turns around and says how great the oaths to gods has been and is today

Jhon warned us in scripture
1 John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/284/22/2841
Vol. 284 No. 22, December 13, 2000 JAMA
• Online Features



Revisiting Hippocrates
Does an Oath Really Matter?

David Graham, MD
Knoxville, Tenn



JAMA. 2000;284:2841-2842.

Hippocratic Oath

c fifth century BC, Greece
(translation text varies slightly depending on source)

I swear by Apollo the physician, by Aesculapius, Hygeia, and Panacea,
and I take to witness all the gods, all the goddesses,
to keep according to my ability and judgment the following Oath:

To consider dear to me as my parents him who taught me this art; to live in common with him and if necessary
to share my goods with him; to look upon his children as my own brothers,
to teach them this art if they so desire without fee or written promise;
to impart to my sons and the sons of the master who taught me and the disciples who have enrolled themselves
and have agreed to the rules of the profession, but to these alone, the precepts and the instruction.
I will prescribe regimen for the good of my patients according to my ability and my judgment and never do harm to anyone.
To please no one will I prescribe a deadly drug, nor give advice which may cause his death. Nor will I give a woman a pessary to procure abortion.
But I will preserve the purity of my life and my art.
I will not cut for stone, even for patients in whom the disease is manifest;
I will leave this operation to be performed by practitioners (specialists in this art).
In every house where I come I will enter only for the good of my patients,
keeping myself far from all intentional ill-doing and all seduction,
and especially from the pleasures of love with women or with men,
be they free or slaves. All that may come to my knowledge in the exercise of my profession
or outside of my profession or in daily commerce with men, which ought not to be spread abroad,
I will keep secret and will never reveal. If I keep this oath faithfully,
may I enjoy my life and practice my art, respected by all men and in all times;
but if I swerve from it or violate it, may the reverse be my lot.

Hippocratic Oath


.) It seems more apt to make physicians think twice about disobeying their oath than if they merely swear upon their own human honor.
To invoke the gods and goddesses as witnesses to an oath is certainly
a more serious undertaking than making a pledge to a personal conscience that can easily be ignored.
In place of "gods" and "goddesses," perhaps consideration should be given to invoking God (with substitution of "Allah," "Higher Power," or

"All I hold sacred" according to individual belief) in all of the modern oaths.

[passin_thru]

Michael, Hippocrates lived 400 BC. The ancient Greek gods were his false deities. They are not mine. The NOVA web link you posted also contains the modern medical oath. It mentions no deities.

I recently had an eye exam at Sears for a new pair of glasses. You may be aghast to know I didn’t even ask the 65-year-old doctor if he was Christian. To me it was irrelevant, per the service being rendered.

I also realize doctors and dentists make mistakes and cause injuries and deaths. More than once, I have refused to follow a doctor’s advice and gotten a second opinion. However, doctors are pretty good at simple life saving procedures like sewing up birthing mothers who are hemorrhaging.

I asked a lady at our little church the last time she knew of a birthing mother dying. She thought for a good long while. Then she said, “I know there has probably been someone, but in my 40 years of attendance, I can’t think of one.”

Therein, lies the point that overcomers never address. Freeman’s faith formula doesn’t work. It certainly didn’t work for him, his grandchild and more than 100 of his followers who died. Wherever and whenever similar theology is practiced, people always needlessly suffer and die. If you honestly look at Hobart Freeman’s rotten fruits, the only rational conclusion is he was just another false prophet. (Matthew 7:13-23)

Have you been to a doctor/dentist in the last 25 years? (Matthew 7:2 &amp; Romans 2:1)

Why do you think it necessary to profess allegiance, loyalty and devotion to any self-anointed prophet? (1 Corinthians 1:10-17)


P.S. Our faith in the Lord should not be limited to the miraculous. (Matthew 4:1-7) The story of a man caught in a flood comes to mind. A bus, boat and plane came by to rescue him. He told them, “No, thanks! I’m waiting for the Lord to deliver me.” The man was eventually swept away and died. In heaven, he saw an angel approaching. He was angry and was about to ask why the Lord let him drown. However, the angel spoke first, “What are you doing here? We sent you a bus, boat and plane.”

[fivefoldprophet]

Wake UP! Christians who is YOUR GOD? Mine is Jesus ! Manifested in the flesh!


http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/281/5/476
Journal of the American Medical Association =JAMA
To blame modern society for elevating physicians to god-like status,
as critics do when they assert that traditional religion has been replaced by the worship of science, is simply inaccurate.
Aesculapius was venerated for his healing abilities. Over the centuries his status evolved from mortal to divine.
He was vested with the unique ability to rise from the dead. Eventually, he became the most worshipped god in Greece.
He was one of the first foreign gods accepted in Rome, and numerous Aesculapian temples persisted for centuries throughout the Roman Empire.
The status of Aesculapius in pagan religion was considered parallel to that of Jesus Christ in Christianity,
as the central deity around which the religion persisted.1-2
Thus, we can see that the near-religious reverence that some hold for physicians is not just a phenomenon of modern society
but parallels attitudes that date back as far as 3000 years.

[passin_thru]

Michael, unlike you, I certainly don’t view a simple medical procedure or tooth filling as putting trust in some false deity or elevating doctors to godhood. Why won’t you answer my questions?

Have you ever been to a doctor/dentist in the last 25 years? (Matthew 7:2 &amp; Romans 2:1)

Would you call EMT’s for someone needing medical assistance? (Luke 10:25-37 &amp; Matthew 25:31-46)

Why do you believe it necessary to profess allegiance, loyalty and devotion to any self-anointed prophet? (1 Corinthians 1:10-17)

Do you think the rest of Christendom is a poor also ran, compared to you? (Matthew 23:8-12)
________

Yet again, there is the point overcomers never address. Freeman’s faith formula doesn’t work. It certainly didn’t work for him, his grandchild and more than 100 of his followers who died. Wherever and whenever similar theology is practiced, people always needlessly suffer and die. If you honestly look at Hobart Freeman’s rotten fruits of suffering, death and spiritual pride, the only rational conclusion is he was just another false prophet. (Matthew 7:13-23)

[fivefoldprophet]

Passin thru I am here to answer your questions and happy to help you understand


Question
Have you ever been to a doctor/dentist in the last 25 years?

Answer
NO ,Jesus is my only Physician and has provided perfect ly for many more years than that…
I do not use medicine of any kind and do not go to ungodly physicians and have not !

Qeustion
Would you call EMT’s for someone needing medical assistance?

Answer
YES without hesitation and I have called 911 EMT’s
and have even drove a man to the hospital

Question
Why do you believe it necessary to profess allegiance, loyalty and devotion to any self-anointed prophet? (1 Corinthians

Answer
I would never profess allegiance to any self anointed Prophet I do not believe it necessary

Question
Do you think the rest of Christendom is a poor also ran, compared to you

Answer
NO I am a Christian and the Church I belong to is glorious not having a spot
or wrinkle , it’s a Holy church without a blemish



answer my question
1# would you swear a oath to metical deities? would you let a man who does be your physician?
2# does you church have any blemish or wrinkle or spot in it?


Lord Bless
michael

[passin_thru]

Michael, I’ll take you at your word that you haven’t been to a doctor/dentist in more than twenty-five years. After posting all the stuff you’ve posted in this thread, I hoped at least you lived it yourself.

Four of my relatives have been Freemanite overcomers. Two died prematurely because of it. The other two are like you. They wouldn’t let a doctor near them to save their life. In their case, they look like hell. Their teeth have all rotted away, and they are virtually blind without glasses. Ever true to Hobart Freeman, they confess they have their healing.

The EMT question was bit of a catch-22 for you. Per your beliefs, you engage in sin by helping others obtain ‘evil’ medical treatment. You can’t have it both ways. Either you sin by helping them go to a doctor, or you sin by not helping them at all. On the other hand, per my belief, I’m just assisting them to get medical treatment. Since I do not hold medical treatment is a sin, no one has committed any sin. In any event, good for you Michael, I’m glad you wouldn’t just let someone bleed to death.

As far as you not having allegiance to self-anointed prophets, I would have to disagree. Your very first FACTnet posts were in defense of Hobart Freeman. Then you seemed to switch and be an advocate for Kenneth Copeland. Now, it seems you’re back to Freeman’s faith formula.

I also have to take exception that you don’t think you’re a bit better than others, like those who go to doctors, like those you prophesize against, like your username that’s sets yourself up as some self-proclaimed prophet.

To answer your questions:

I do not swear oaths to false deities. I also do not ask physicians what oaths (if any) they have taken. I also do not look to see if they’re wearing a Masonic ring. I really don’t care. My concern is whether or not they have skill to treat the ailment. Like you, I’m blessed with pretty good health. So, my doctor/dentist visits have been limited to fairly routine exams and a couple emergency room visits.

Per my church being without blemish, wrinkle or spot, I assume you are referring to Ephesians 5:25-27. Let’s not forget, it is Christ’s sacrifice that makes us without blemish, wrinkle or spot. This is not of our own doing. In this regard, my church and me are perfect. On our own merits, my church and me are covered with all sorts of flaws and imperfections.
_____

Yet again, there remains the point overcomers never address. Freeman’s faith formula doesn’t work. It certainly didn’t work for him, his grandchild and more than 100 of his followers who died. Wherever and whenever similar theology is practiced, people always needlessly suffer and die. If you honestly look at Hobart Freeman’s rotten fruits of suffering, death and spiritual pride, the only rational conclusion is he was just another false prophet. (Matthew 7:13-23)

[fivefoldprophet]

I will address the Copeland issue
its wrong for Christians to step across the line
from exposing heresy to just down right
Speaking in a unloving way towards these ministers
my main motivation was coming against that’.

also
I wrestled with the teaching and prayed that God would lead me into
A complete understanding of the atonement issue
The answer for me came with moving past what both sides were saying
and letting the Word speak for its self ( Just stand on scripture)
two examples
1# “Jesus took on the nature of the adversary”
This statement by the JDS teachers is not in scripture
the word nature is in scripture two places “NT”
Ephesians 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past
in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind;
and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
And
2 Peter 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises:
that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature,
having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

Neither scripture say Jesus took on the nature of the adversary
The mere expression is blasphemy and a abomination

2# “Jesus died spiritually”
There is no scripture that says this!
But rather by standing on the scripture again and letting it speak for its self
I learned the complete truth!
Here is the answer I learned
Luke 23:46 (KJV) And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father,
into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

Jesus’s Spirit didn’t die it was commended into the Fathers Hands



About calling EMS and taking someone to the hospital
I cannot force faith on anyone or force someone to repent
All I can do is love them if they choose to go to doctors
that’s their business , in the event of their emergency
If they choose to want to go to a hospital and need
help I will call or take them ,My prayer is they would turn
To Jesus the great Physician who is Perfect Pure Holy
And Created the Heavens and Earth and exersize Faith
In His wonderful promises to Heal,,, rather than
Exersize unbelief and run to the AMA who
Is responsible for millions of children’s abortions
why trust in murderers? And Idolatry?


The teaching of Gods Love and Healing has worked perfectly in my
Life and I love Jesus,,,,


Lord Bless
michael

[fivefoldprophet]

the AMA is murderers WAKE UP!

http://www.abortionno.org/Resources/fastfacts.html

UNITED STATES

Number of abortions per year: 1.37 Million (1996)
Number of abortions per day: Approximately 3,700

Who's having abortions (age)?
52% of women obtaining abortions in the U.S. are younger than 25: Women aged 20-24 obtain 32% of all abortions; Teenagers obtain 20% and girls under 15 account for 1.2%.

Who's having abortions (race)?
While white women obtain 60% of all abortions, their abortion rate is well below that of minority women. Black women are more than 3 times as likely as white women to have an abortion, and Hispanic women are roughly 2 times as likely.

Who's having abortions (marital status)?
64.4% of all abortions are performed on never-married women; Married women account for 18.4% of all abortions and divorced women obtain 9.4%.

Who's having abortions (religion)?
Women identifying themselves as Protestants obtain 37.4% of all abortions in the U.S.; Catholic women account for 31.3%, Jewish women account for 1.3%, and women with no religious affiliation obtain 23.7% of all abortions. 18% of all abortions are performed on women who identify themselves as "Born-again/Evangelical".

Who's having abortions (income)?
Women with family incomes less than $15,000 obtain 28.7% of all abortions; Women with family incomes between $15,000 and $29,999 obtain 19.5%; Women with family incomes between $30,000 and $59,999 obtain 38.0%; Women with family incomes over $60,000 obtain 13.8%.

Why women have abortions
1% of all abortions occur because of rape or incest; 6% of abortions occur because of potential health problems regarding either the mother or child, and 93% of all abortions occur for social reasons (i.e. the child is unwanted or inconvenient).

At what gestational ages are abortions performed:
52% of all abortions occur before the 9th week of pregnancy, 25% happen between the 9th &amp; 10th week, 12% happen between the 11th and 12th week, 6% happen between the 13th &amp; 15th week, 4% happen between the 16th &amp; 20th week, and 1% of all abortions (16,450/yr.) happen after the 20th week of pregnancy.

Likelihood of abortion:
An estimated 43% of all women will have at least 1 abortion by the time they are 45 years old. 47% of all abortions are performed on women who have had at least one previous abortion.

Abortion coverage:
48% of all abortion facilities provide services after the 12th week of pregnancy. 9 in 10 managed care plans routinely cover abortion or provide limited coverage. About 14% of all abortions in the United States are paid for with public funds, virtually all of which are state funds. 16 states (CA, CT, HI, ED, IL, MA , MD, MD, MN, MT, NJ, NM, NY, OR, VT, WA and WV) pay for abortions for some poor women.

[fivefoldprophet]

these socalled Christian and religious groups\
support MURDERERS and so does all that run to the AMA for healing!

Religious groups supporting abortion rights
Here is a partial list of religious groups that support abortion rights.

American Ethical Union
American Friends (Quaker) Service Committee
American Humanist Association
American Jewish Committee
Catholics for a Free Choice
Central Conference of American Rabbis
Community of Christ
Hebrew Union College-Jewish Institute of Religion
Jewish Reconstructionist Federation
Kentucky Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice
Moravian Church in America-Northern Province
Na'Amat USA
National Council of Jewish Women
North American Federation of Temple Youth
Presbyterian Church (USA)
Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice
Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice of Massachusetts
Spiritual Youth for Reproductive Freedom
Summary of Sacred Choices
The Union for Reform Judaism
The United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism
United Church of Christ
Unitarian Universalist Association
Women of Reform Judaism
Women's American ORT
United Methodist Church

[fivefoldprophet]

the link for the above post

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_and_abortion



do you trust murderers with your health?
WAKE UP

(Message edited by fivefoldprophet on April 09, 2007)

[fivefoldprophet]

so is there Witchcraft in the AMA? do they have some degree of occult activity? YES
1# swearing oaths, worshipping other gods is making sacrifice to devils and those who say they
are Christian and partake of the AMA are just as guilty!

1 Cor. 10:20-21 (KJV) But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.
[21] Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils.

1 Tim. 4:1 (KJV) Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;


The same false pastors and teachers are in league with witchcraft when they support in prayer
and teach that Christians are to be patriotic supporting a perverse nation and calling war christian

Philip. 2:15 (KJV) That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;




The same false pastors and teachers call the white house Christians and brag about the greatness of a nation they label as Christian, but the truth is the white house has embraced witchcraft and is wicked

(white house witchcraft celebration, photos at the official USA gov. webstite)

http://www.whitehouse.gov/holiday/2003/christmas03-essay-2/06.html

At the above link you can see that the present administration is not Christian but rather witches
So its no surprise they endorse witchcraft in the AMA and even allow the murdering
of millions of innocent american children

Do you want them to murder your unborn child? Or practice medicine on your living child?



Lord Bless you with Truth it shall make you FREE


michael

[fivefoldprophet]

so what is the answer?????


Acts 26:18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light,
and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins,
and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.


1 Corinthians 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not;
for some have not the knowledge of God:
I speak this to your shame.

1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you,
that ye sin not.
And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father,
Jesus Christ the righteous:


John 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her,
Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.


Luke 3:7 O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.


Luke 13:3 (KJV) I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.


so will you repent NOW? YES OR NO?

if you say YES you will grow


faith believes Jesus is God manifested in the flesh
and Jesus makes us free,, being made free from sin
we manifest eternal life!
go and sin no more!
overcome sin ,sickness and have power over all the enemy!
with Faith you a manifest into the sons of God

Holy Perfect people without a spot or blemish
doing righteousness ,
never falling , standing on grace!
a percular people who are not "of this world"

be blessed

michael

[fivefoldprophet]

these posts is at another tread and I want to address them here at my tread..
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odysseus
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Username: odysseus

Post Number: 71
Registered: 4-2006
Posted From: 74.133.105.58
Posted on Saturday, April 07, 2007 - 6:20 pm:

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Mark,

I was just wondering about your insults to Micah and others. Is this the hallmark of an ‘Overcomer’ or an Over-Can’t? You know something, I think Hobart Freeman, (if he was alive today) would be very disappointed in your behavior and your insulting behavior toward others.

Maybe ‘Five Fold’ was correct when he prophesied against you to ‘dry up’. Cause your intellect seems to have dried up and gone away. Faaaaaaaaaar awaaaaaaaay….

Maybe you need an “I Corinthians 5:5” treatment. (5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.) I recall you seem to have shown great joy in calling that chapter and verse down against someone else who disagreed with you. Hey, maybe it’s your turn now.

Now you stay away from those three Stooges web sites, ok?

Your and ‘Over-Comer’? Nah, I don’t think so…..

(Message edited by odysseus on April 07, 2007)


mark1124
Intermediate Member
Username: mark1124

Post Number: 280
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 71.243.21.111
Posted on Saturday, April 07, 2007 - 11:58 pm:

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Um...Michael's prophecy of me drying up is a false prophecy. I am more on fire for the word than I ever have and I am getting hotter. I am far from being dried up.

So I guess you were fooled by Fiver's false prophecy. Next question please.

I notice that you stuck up for Micah. What's the saying...birds of a feather....

That's OK. You guys can be against me. God is for me so who can be against me? Nobody.

[fivefoldprophet]

Mark
the prophesy is conditional it will be fulfilled
either by repentance or judgment

The prayers you made three different days were seen
by both ,me and Snavley
As supporting a quick war by supporting the troops
by praying for their safety , choosing sides
and by support you are instead of being separate
from this perverse nation “you are of this nation”
Instead of being chosen because you are not of this world
you are supporting the world ,war and carnality

You have said this is not your intention
And I don’t doubt you in that….
But neverless what was said was
Perceived as praying for war…..


You could say ;
I should not have prayed for support of the troops and a quick war
It was a mistake…I repent !.


Some of the three stooges jokes are nonsense and just stupid stuff
No big deal! But some was off color,, with topics that were unchristlike
It appeared you were involved and your name was included in those posts
Again NO BIG DEAL
Just say I repent! And wiil choose better next time!

Listen you have got into name calling and you know it!
So be real and admit it and say you repent!
To the ROOM
even Hombre is warning you!
So dont let the enemy win!

The Big Deal is this!

You have a good understanding of Truth ……
And you are not afraid of their faces!!!!!! that’s a blessing!


/I have in times past called names too and I have repented and if I
Get out of line ,,,call me on it! I will repent again!

Also I repent from being influenced by false doctrine and have made
a complete turn around, the Lord is faithful and His Love and Grace
is wonderful
/ I looked hard at both sides of the coin (so to speak )
And then just looked at the scripture and found truth
It’s a blessing!!!!!

We must remember Pride comes before the Fall!

Romans 11:21 (KJV) For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.


If "we" call names!!

1 Cor. 8:9 (KJV) But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak.


1 Cor. 10:12 (KJV) Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.


Galatians 5:15 (KJV) But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.


These scripture apply to both of us and everyone else too

Lord bless
michael

[duncan]

Five,
I like the "new and improved version" of you. I have actually enjoyed reading some of your recent posts. Be careful not to post so much that people can't keep up with the reading, otherwise your posts will just be skimmed over.

The dialogue has been pretty good lately. Good debate on both sides has occurred without people getting too personal or angry. I am happy to read.

Duncan

[fivefoldprophet]

duncan
thanks I receive that!

Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

Lord bless

michael

[fivefoldprophet]

Duncan
Also I have learned
a better understanding about turning the other Cheek

when I saw in scripture how God protects His people
and even destroys their enemies ,
I understood how a person can bless those who persecute you!
The lord showed me that those people from this forum and
associated with Overcomers.com
that have posted the most vile pornographic
stuff in my guest book will be destroyed ,
The Lord showed "its his vengeance" and He will grind them to a powder!
So what lot do I have in this matter?
Just turn the other cheek and say "Be Blessed!"

The Prophesy God gave me was a conditional one
and covered in a general sense all those involved
either repentance or judgment
the prophesy will be fulfilled either way

just because someone can spout scripture and truth is some doctrine
doesn’t mean they can be unrighteous

1 John 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil:
whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God,
neither he that loveth not his brother.

I also blocked their ISP numbers and did ISP searches on their locations
in relationship with ISP numbers at this forum

Its my heart they REPENT and come forward ,
And IF they do then I will forgive them!

Luke 17:3 Take heed to yourselves:
If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.


Lord Bless
Michael

[fivefoldprophet]

Britannica

Magic and religion played a large part in the medicine of prehistoric or primitive man. Administration of a vegetable drug or remedy by mouth was accompanied by incantations, dancing, grimaces, and all the tricks of the magician. Therefore, the first doctors, or "medicine men," were witch doctors or sorcerers. The use of charms and talismans, still prevalent in modern times, is of ancient origin.

the use of power gained from the assistance or control of evil spirits. Sorcery is distinguished by some writers from witchcraft in that it may be practiced by anyone with the appropriate knowledge, using charms, spells, potions, and the like; whereas witchcraft is considered to result from an inherent mystical power and to be practiced by invisible means. Sorcery can be protective--for example, as a guard of property against theft. A practitioner of sorcery is called a sorcerer, or a wizard.
History of pharmacy
The beginnings of pharmacy are ancient. When the first person expressed juice from a succulent leaf to apply to a wound, this art was being practiced. In the Greek legend, Asclepius, the god of the healing art, delegated to Hygieia the duty of compounding his remedies. She was his apothecary or pharmacist. The physician-priests of Egypt were divided into two classes: those who visited the sick and those who remained in the temple and prepared remedies for the patients.
In ancient Greece and Rome and during the Middle Ages in Europe, the art of healing recognized a separation between the duties of the physician and those of the herbalist, who supplied the physician with the raw materials from which to make medicines. The Arabian influence in Europe during the 8th century AD, however, brought about the practice of separate duties for the pharmacist and physician. The trend toward specialization was later reinforced by a law enacted by the city council of Bruges in 1683, forbidding physicians to prepare medications for their patients. In America, Benjamin Franklin took a pivotal step in keeping the two professions separate when he appointed an apothecary to the Pennsylvania Hospital.

[fivefoldprophet]

Physician International standard bible encycloprdia.

There is no evidence that at any time the priests of Israel were reputed to be the possessors of medical knowledge or tradition.
There is, as far as I know, no record or tradition of a priest-physician in Bible times. The records of cure by the prophets, especially Elisha, are mostly recorded as miracles, not as cures by treatment.


Eastmans bible dictionary;
PHYSICIAN Asa, afflicted with some bodily malady, “sought not to the Lord but to the physicians” (2 Chron. 16:12). The “physicians” were those who “practised heathen arts of magic, disavowing recognized methods of cure, and dissociating the healing art from dependence on the God of Israel.

[fivefoldprophet]

Amednews.com
the newspaper for america's physician
Editorial. June 20, 2005.
The AMA's new logo is more than just a visually pleasing take on the Staff of Asclepius.


Meet the American Medical Association's new logo, shown here for the first time in our online edition. It is a striking and modern public image for the organization. At the same time, it maintains a link with the rich history of the AMA and traditional symbols of the medical profession.
As it has for nearly a century, the AMA's symbol features the single snake of the Staff of Asclepius. The symbol dates to antiquity, and represents its namesake, the Greek god of healing. The image of a serpent-entwined staff also appears in the biblical book of Exodus, wherein Moses is instructed to erect a brass pole with a serpent; whoever looked upon it was healed.

A body of mythology surrounds Asclepius. He was taught about medicine by the centaur, Chiron, and became so skilled at healing that Zeus feared that the immortality of the gods was threatened.
For many years the Staff of Asclepius has been confused with the caduceus, a symbol used by numerous medical organizations and that generally features two snakes encircling a rod topped with wings. According to most mythology, however, the caduceus represents the wand of the Greek god Hermes and often is associated with commercial endeavors.
The AMA's new symbol, proudly and distinctly bearing the Staff of Asclepius, represents many things that are good about the profession and its organization, not the least of which is continuity. Although the symbol has been associated with the AMA for nearly a century, both it -- and the Association it represents -- have evolved over time. The current iteration of the symbol pays homage to the past while conveying to the profession and to the public a clear, forceful message about the AMA's future.

[fivefoldprophet]

a member of overcomers.com is associated with
a cult awareness group "keeping tabs"

[mark1124]

Um...Michael...I do not need to repent. Case close. Off color is your opinion. Sorry Michael. Don't bring up things that are under the blood and are over with and we will get along just fine. I would suggest that you repent for your fact finding and fault finding ways by digging things up on me and for all the trouble that you caused me.

As far as I and God are concerned, it is over with and under the blood. No need to say that I repent when it is already under the blood. I thought you knew that.

Next discussion please. It is time to move on to other things.

[mark1124]

You know, another thing Michael. I too notice a better attitude (for a lack of better way of saying it) with you and I like that about you.
You know, Michael, when I prayed for a quick war, I was not praying FOR the war but AGAINST it. I may not have said it right but everyone should know that I would not want the war anymore than you or any other person.

As far as the 3 stooges thing...you should have known better that I would have posted bad jokes on a porno site. And all the other things you thought about me. The only thing I wish you would have done, Michael, is to give me the benefit of the doubt. That's all I asked.

Sometimes these chatrooms we get very defensive about things. I know that is the case with me, even out of a chatroom. Sometimes we say things we really don't mean. Sometimes we get angry and resentful and say things we don't really mean. I know that has been the case with me, and I know better.

I appreciate the fact that you mentioned that I have a good understanding of the truth. Both you and I have been well grounded in that truth.

Concerning the name calling...well, that's where the frustration got to me. Asked healed and the others. I know they went through a lot and believe it or not Healed, and the rest of you, I am not anti-sympathetic to what you went through.

As to you Michael, I think this is a good launching point to put everything that was between us in the past and leave it there. When you come right down to it, what we were fighting about was over some stupid misunderstandings, if you think about it. And really, none of it should have escalated like it did. And Brenneman, Snavely and Rodriguez need to see that I didn't pray for the war either. If any of thought I did, they are wrong too and need to see what I was doing (or trying to do and didn't do such a great job of it.) I hope that you, as well as they, can see that. I would not be afraid to tell them they were wrong if I saw them face to face either.

We can't change what happened in the past. I wish I could. But we can do better, as you say. After all, this is a walk. And sometimes I need to be reminded again and again about certain things. Thank God we have the Holy Spirit to help us in our walk with Him, showing us what to do and what not to do, and convict us if we need to.

You know, Michael...not boasting here...but once you get to know me...I'm not that bad of a person. I love Jesus and the word just like you do. And that, Michael, is the thing that we have in common and that we can fellowship over.

And all God's people said...AMEN

[fivefoldprophet]

Line up with this scripture MARK!

(you always said you never did nothing wrong!
never prayed for war,,and was justified in calling people names!
and nothing was wrong with any jokes you were associated with)


Luke 17:3 Take heed to yourselves:
If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.

proof you are accountable to others!

I rebuked You!
repent or I will not forgive you ,for the names you called
me at my website and the other stuff you were into..
by admitting its under the blood you have admitted you did something wrong
Brenneman said you did,, and Hombre was warning you about name calling..
I say you did ! So admit it and tell us you repent

Will you say ( I repent ) ?

YES or NO?

If you say YES God will bless you

If you say NO you will receive Judgement by God

its you choice MARK

[passin_thru]

Above, Michael (fivefoldprophet) wrote that he recently realized the heresy of the ‘Jesus died spiritually’ teaching. Hopefully, he will also someday recognize of the falsehood of the word-of-faith (name it and claim it) doctrine. Since Michael made this thread a conglomerate of various web links and disjoined information, I’ll add some more.

The following apologetics web link provides an array of information concerning the fallacies of the word-of-faith movement: http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/word-faith.html

The web link below shows the hypocrisy and failure in the lives of many word-of-faith advocates (including Hobart Freeman): http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/healthyself.html

The web link below is a short article specifically about Hobart Freeman: http://www.watchman.org/cults/freeman.htm

As most all people realize, there is a whole lot more to the story than Michael is telling. He is spewing an extremely dangerous failed philosophy. He is unconcerned with the suffering and death endured by others. People like him are content believing it works for them (so far).

Hobart Freeman took word-of-faith falsities a deadly step further. Freeman taught all medical treatment of any kind was of the devil. He required total abstention from all medical aid.

Freeman’s faith formula didn’t work for him, his grandchild and more than 100 of his followers who died. Wherever and whenever similar theology is practiced, people always needlessly suffer and die. If you honestly look at Hobart Freeman’s rotten fruits of suffering, death and spiritual pride, the only rational conclusion is he was a false prophet. (Matthew 7:13-23)

[mark1124]

Michael, I have made my choice. Since you will not admit to me that you did anything wrong, in spite of my kind words to you, I have nothing to say to you further. You show me that you have not changed.

Sorry Michael. This is the end of the line.
I did nothing wrong and that's final! And that's the last thing I will say to you ever. So write your prophecies Michael. They are false.

I give up.

On to the discussion about medical science. It is more edifying to read.

[mark1124]

Pass thru....I'm not going to berate you on what you said. But the information that Michael gave you, as well as the information that I provided, should be evidence enough of what has been said about medical science. If you took the time to read the information that was provided, how can you still trust in fallible men?

Hobart Freeman just provided information on what were facts. That's all. He warned of the dangers of going to medical science. Have you ever read Confessions of a Medical Heretic? Startling information there. I mean, if you take the time to do some simple research on the subject, you will find, if you are an honest person, which I believe you are, that Brother Freeman was right about warning about medical science. Passthru, what is wrong with trusting God alone for our needs, which includes our healing as well as every area of our lives? That's why God gave us over 7000-8000 promises in the Word. And He is faithful to fulfill each and every one of them, including healing for our bodies.

Does God need the help of man to heal us? No. If you get sick, do you call for the doctors first or the elders of the church as in James 5? How big is God? Even my lightning fast mind can figure out that the God who created my body is well capable of healing it.

Again, passthru. In spite of our differences in the past, I just wanted to share with you and encourage you in the faith that there is a better way.

God bless.

Mark

[fivefoldprophet]

Sorry Michael. Don't bring up things that are under the blood


where is the scripture? show me
"under the blood!"

[passin_thru]

You are right Mark. There is a better way, Jesus. However, you just can’t see it. You’d rather follow the heresies of a dead man. A dead man who let newborn babies die, rather than admit he was in error.

Overcomers are so close-minded, you can’t recognize the significance of what I’ve posted four times: Freeman’s faith formula didn’t work for him, his grandchild and more than 100 of his followers who died. Wherever and whenever similar theology is practiced, people always needlessly suffer and die. If you honestly look at Hobart Freeman’s rotten fruits of suffering, death and spiritual pride, the only rational conclusion is he was a false prophet. (Matthew 7:13-23)

However, you overcomers go your way. You continue to engage in calling down judgment upon each other. You are so deluded and full of yourselves. You actually think you can call on God to wreak vengeance upon each other for name-calling in an Internet forum. “Whaa, whaa! He called me a bad name. I call on God to strike him down. Whaa, whaa!”

I’ve seen enough of your ‘better way’!

[fivefoldprophet]

salvation only comes by the blood of Jesus
and if a doctrine is false the salvation is false also


Sin is not covered or under Jesus’ blood that doctrine is not in scripture

[duncan]

Five,
You are correct that there is no scripture that states "under the blood." However, Rev 1:5 states that Jesus "washed away our sins in his own blood." That's pretty close. Also,Psalm 103:12 states that he has removed our transgressions from us "as far as the east is from the west." That's pretty close, too.

On the other hand, Matt 5: 23-24 tells us that if our brother has ought against us, go and reconcile with him before bringing your gifts to God. Regardless of whether we have asked God to forgive us of a sin we committed against our brother, we should also reconcile with our brother. It sounds to me that both Mark and Five have issues with each other (that may have been confessed before God and washed away by His son's blood), but they still should be cleared up between each other. In that case, it appears to me that some apologies are needed on both sides.

Just my humble observation, based upon the scripture.

Duncan

[duncan]

Passin,

I just finished reading one of the articles you posted that was a personal testimony of a guy named Jeff Beard out of the WOF movement. I thought it was an excellent article, and he explained his experiences very well. He stated many of the thoughts I have about this subject.

Many people in the charasmatic movement today (not all) see God as some sort of celestial Santa Claus that they can go sit on His lap and tell Him what they want. Based upon scripture, it doesn't work that way. Romans tells us that we were put here for God's glory and pleasure, not ours. Now that is not to say that God won't supply all our needs. The problem is that many get their needs and wants mixed up. I need a car to get to work. A Volkswagon would get me there the same as a Mercedes. I need a house for me and my family to have shelter. A 1500 s.f. house would keep us out of the cold just the same as Kenneth Copeland's 25,000+ s.f. mansion.

When we all finally realize that we are just aliens in this land and pilgrims passing through(props to your online handle) on our way to eternal life with Christ, our perspective on what's really important in life will come into focus. The Word tells us that what we have to put up with on this earth can't compare to what we have waiting for us in the hereafter.

Duncan

[mark1124]

Duncan is right about apologies needed on both sides. It is too bad that the self proclaimed prophet that started the frakus (sp?) - will not budge. I just hope Michael doesn't play the song "I'm under the Blood" during his violin concerts. It doesn't matter. The blood of Jesus cleanses me from all sin and anyone who continues to condemn me is not of God. Michael can bring my so called "sins" before God and He will not know anything about them. Praise God.

Now...let's please get to the original thread instead of going back and rehashing the crapola that fivefoldfalseprophet started 4 years ago.
I would much rather talk about Divine healing without the aid of the medical deities than dealing with something that God forgave me about over 4 years ago. We know the devil is the one that condemns and that is all that has been done - condemnation. Thank God that we can claim the promises of God. Romans 8:1-2 come to mind here for me. Praise God for the overcoming message! Because I have overcome the condemnation that has been spewed out against me!
Why? Because I have the victory over people (so-called "Christians") who try to condemn me over Mickey Mouse issues and lies. Thank God that He is on my side. I have the confidence to know that if God is for me, who can be against me. That includes ANYONE in this forum.

[duncan]

Mark,
You agreed with me that apologies are needed on both sides, so I will ask if you have ever apologized and asked Five to forgive you for any hurt or offense you have caused him? If not, you should.

And just so you don't think I am picking on you, I would ask the same thing of Fiver. If you have ought against your brother, the time for reconciliation is here.

If both of you have done each other wrong over some feud that most of us don't know about (or care about), then it is time to get things right with your brother. Don't worry about who's fault it is or who started it. That stuff is irrelevant. What is important is that brothers in Christ show Christian love to one another.

I'll get off my soapbox now.

Duncan

[odysseus]

Oh Mark, you started out so sincere in your response to Five-Fold, and then you degenerated into your old over-can’t self. That was very disappointing.

Mark you said quote,” (Why? Because I have the victory over people (so-called "Christians") who try to condemn me over Mickey Mouse issues and lies. Thank God that He is on my side. I have the confidence to know that if God is for me, who can be against me. That includes ANYONE in this forum.”

You have the victory over what, a believer in Christ? So this is your legacy, getting a ‘one-upsman’ on another believer in our Lord. Classic! Such smugness and pride. Hombre has taught you well. Both of your are frauds.

This is what ‘Passing-Thru’ was trying to get across to you? You just don’t get it do you? You have a problem with spiritual pride. Oh well, I don’t have the time to blog anymore. I’m getting ready to go on vacation for a week, so I’ll be unable to converse. So the rest of you ‘Over-Cant’s’ can try to make fun of me while I’m gone. It doesn’t matter anyway.

Mark, you take care of yourself, because no one else will.

[fivefoldprophet]

Duncan
You are correct about reconciliation ( no problem on my part with repenting)
But that cannot happen unless he repents because ;its conditional
Luke 17:3 Take heed to yourselves:
If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; (and if he repent), forgive him.


He is in sin!

John 9:31 Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.


Mark has had many people tell him to repent and he has called them names,
Joe Brenneman has the wonderful loving heart of a pastor and was very long suffering with Mark
Now mark is calling Him a Liar in this forum!

The Lord showed me Mark must first repent “in Public”
Of calling Joe Brenneman a Liar!
In TEXT here!
MARK
The Lord is telling you to repent for calling Joe Brenneman a liar
And if you don’t! surly a judgment is coming upon you!

Are you going to repent!?

YES?
NO?



Also under the blood or covering of blood is false doctrine to the degree of denying the atonement
Many people teach this and tell you they sin and its covered
Example smoking Christians under the blood saved even while sinning..
It’s a clever deception of circular reasoning ….such as case here!


Under the blood is not in scripture because its false doctrine just as covered by Jesus’ blood
Proper scripture is washed purged
1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

Hebrews 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,


Think about it a dirty man who just puts on a coat (covering) or hides under a bed ( under)
Is he still dirty? Yes
But wash the man with water a lots of soap he is clean ( blood)
Purge the sin out is removing sin ,, hiding sin is under ,covered
Never really gone ,, still under the Law ect..

[duncan]

Five,
You're absolutely correct that he has to say he's sorry first. I forgot that Jesus waited until those that crucified him repented before he said, "Father, forgive them for they know not what they do."

As I recall, Stephen, when he was martyred, also waited until those that stoned him said they were sorry before asking God to forgive them.

Remember Five, it is always easy to love someone who is nice to you. The hard part is to love someone who doesn't like you.

I don't mean to preach, but I just thought I would give you something to think about.

Duncan

[fivefoldprophet]

Duncan
I agree !
My prayer is Father forgive Mark He knows not what He does!

Knowledge can Help so a person can know what he does!

1 Corinthians 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

What we doeth is Righteousness.. overcome sin

1 John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.


Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

So My prayer is that Mark repents and receives eternal life!

Love is corrective and when we can convert someone it’s the best Love

James 5:19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.


The Gift of eternal life is YES ,, NO is a Soul of Death! Wages sin Death

Lord Bless you Duncan

michael

(Message edited by fivefoldprophet on April 11, 2007)

[duncan]

Well, enough with the "Hatfield vs. McCoy" feud. I've said all I can, and it's up to those involved to search their own hearts. As such, let's get back to this thread.

Let me post some questions for everyone, both the pro-FA crowd and the anti-Freeman crowd. This is something that I have a hard time reconciling in my own mind, so I would like some feedback from folks.

Most of this is in regards to FA's version of divine healing and where to draw the line.

1) Why was it acceptable to use a magnifying glass to read the Bible (as my grandmother use to do), but if you moved the same lense up closer to your eyes and called it glasses, it was wrong?

2) Why is it be OK for me to brush my teeth with toothpaste, but if someone else (a dentist) used a little tool to scrape the plaque off my teeth it's considered a bad thing?

3) If I am out chopping wood and get a cut on my finger, it is OK to put a band-aid on the cut, but if the cut is really deep and I get someone to sew it up, it is a bad thing? (Both actions are just covering up the wound.)

4) Why was it OK for my sisters to wear "gouchos" or "koolots," but if they were 3 inches longer and called pants, they were doing something bad?

I could go on and on with other examples, but I think everyone gets the point, which is this: Where do you draw the line between common sense and trusting in the "arm of the flesh."

If I have a broken bone, then I am trusting that the doctor who is putting my cast on knows what he is doing. However, I don't consider this putting my trust in the "arm of the flesh". I see it no different than getting on a plane and trusting that the pilot sitting up front knows how to fly a plane. Even though I trust in the pilot, I still pray over a plane and the pilot everytime I go on a business trip. The same goes for when I go to a doctor. I'm still trusting in God for my healing.

Looking back as an adult, it's things like this that insult my intelligence. I have no problem with nearly all the theology that Dr. Freeman preached, and it is virtually the same theology my current Southern Baptist pastor preaches. The difference was/is these little inconsistencies like I mentioned above. Those are the things that I can't understand.

I welcome comments and questions.

Duncan

[fivefoldprophet]

Duncan

There is no Hatfield vs. McCoy" feud.
Just a Prophet trying to get a sinner to Repent

Just exactly what Jesus did
Luke 13:3 (KJV) I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

Agreed?
Titus 3:10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;

So lets move on?
I agree

I was at Faith Assembly and was a member
But didn’t attend every service I never had any problem
with the leadership over it,, and did have a good relationship
with Stan Hill ,who at that time was from what I considered
second behind Freeman
my observations of what Faith Assembly was about may be different than others
I don’t believe in following anyone but Jesus ,so that effects my perspective
So I cannot argue about that I have no way of proving what happened at FA
Question;
1) Why was it acceptable to use a magnifying glass to read the Bible
(as my grandmother use to do), but if you moved the same lense up closer to your eyes and called it glasses, it was wrong?
My answer;
It’s a double standard and untruthful there is no difference between a magnifying glass
and prescription glasses, the point is being healed.
I have a friend named Gene he had around 50 years of age ,a bad time with his eyes ,he asked Jesus to heal his eyes
and fasted and prayed it took two years for the manifestation, I know Gene and he
was totally healed… about six months ago my eyes became so bad I could not read
any size bible text,
,I remember going to a bible book store and looking at the biggest
Bible they had with giant text and all I was seeing was blurred..

What happened with me was at one point I asked Jesus to heal me and started fighting , I made my mind up
to press in and receive a healing so with great determination I tried to read and saw a blurred mess
about two weeks out I was still fighting ,it was very uncomfortable
when my wife and I would go into a restaurant I couldn’t read the menus .
I tired to sign some papers and someone laughed and said ; hey why don’t you get some glasses
I said I don’t need glasses and in Jesus name I break those words you spoke..
So for another week I was a mess but , I pressed in harder , I said I will not
Let the enemy blind me ,,
I am Healed in Jesus name! then something wonderful happened,, I looked at my bible and could see ,, with great effort I could see ,\
So now I was reading but it was hard and uncomfortable ,,but I was determined!
and fought claiming healing scripture,, ,then another change came I gained
Victory yet it was still uncomfortable but I laughed and it was fun…soon
after "I took no thought" and I was seeing comfortably all size text,,,,
Now I can read even tiny text with no problem,,,,, sometimes people
don’t Fight the good Fight of Faith ,, they just give up and wait and
Wait and wait for years,,,,

[fivefoldprophet]

Duncan

Question;
2) Why is it be OK for me to brush my teeth with toothpaste, but if someone else (a dentist) used a little tool to scrape the plaque off my teeth it's considered a bad thing?

My answer;
If you brush properly plaque will not build up…if you feel you need
A dentist to clean your teeth ,, that’s your business,, I don’t…
Jesus can keep your teeth clean, the animals in the wild don’t go to
Dentists,,, your Father loves you more!


Question
3) If I am out chopping wood and get a cut on my finger, it is OK to put a band-aid on the cut, but if the cut is really deep and I get someone to sew it up, it is a bad thing? (Both actions are just covering up the wound.)
Answer
I will not be chopping wood and cut my self,,,, I walk by faith not by sight
And do not live in hypothetical situations,, rather I stand on the word!
Proverbs 21:31 The horse is prepared against the day of battle: but safety is of the LORD.

Question
4) Why was it OK for my sisters to wear "gouchos" or "koolots," but if they were 3 inches longer and called pants, they were doing something bad?

Answer
Matthew 15:18 (KJV) But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
I have seen many Apostolic women and Mennonites with religious cloths on
that cuss and act like the devil

Question;
If I have a broken bone, then I am trusting that the doctor who is putting my cast on knows what he is doing. However, I don't consider this putting my trust in the "arm of the flesh". I see it no different than getting on a plane and trusting that the pilot sitting up front knows how to fly a plane. Even though I trust in the pilot, I still pray over a plane and the pilot everytime I go on a business trip. The same goes for when I go to a doctor. I'm still trusting in God for my healing.

Answer
2 Cor. 5:11 (KJV) Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

Trusting in doctors can help people with broken bones ect.. But that’s not Faith ,its unbelief,,,, Faith come from God and Faith Is Godly….we can make the choice to grow in Faith or exersize unbelief…there is coming a time soon I seen it in a dream..
It is going to be some what like Katrina in New Orleans ,, they had no hospitals
,electric,,, the Police defected,, Fema didn’t come,, the Goverement wasn’t there..
The Insurance companies said they don’t cover ,,they were all alone…
The point is Grow in Faith and Trust in the Lord
Rev. 2:17 (KJV) He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

Most people will not understand this scripture !

Comment;
Looking back as an adult, it's things like this that insult my intelligence. I have no problem with nearly all the theology that Dr. Freeman preached, and it is virtually the same theology my current Southern Baptist pastor preaches. The difference was/is these little inconsistencies like I mentioned above. Those are the things that I can't understand.

Comment;
People today insult my intelligence just as they did back then….one of the
Funniest ways they do is when I say I don’t believe in theology ,,,or theologians
both words are not in my scripture KJV ,,
and I don’t believe in theories
but stand on the Word! Its Perfect Truth ,,then they tell me I am closed minded..
Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

GBU Duncan

michael

[fivefoldprophet]

Here is a video clip of what I do

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCqWp7S26Lw

Also here is some places I have been.

http://markley.violin.tripod.com/

[duncan]

Five,
Thanks for the response. Even though I don't agree with everything you said, I respect it and understand where your coming from. Each one of us has to work out our own salvation.

As for hypothetical situations, I actually did cut my finger (not chopping wood, but with a box cutter opening a box). I could have put a band-aid on it and wrapped it up with gauze, but instead I went and got it sown up. Some folks may have a problem with that, but not me.

Thanks again for taking the time to respond.

Duncan

[fivefoldprophet]

a physician swears oaths to medical gods to serve them before practicing on you.
. but that don’t bother you?
then if the Physician says to you someday you are so sick I cannot help you,,
will you run to Jesus? and tell Him He is really the Bigger God!

wonder what He will say?

I wonder what the Physician would say if you asked Him why
He belongs to and swears an oath to a association
that murders children by the millions?? Would you want such a man to touch your child?

Something to think about! Noah did!

Luke 17:26 (KJV) And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.


LOT DID!
Luke 17:28-30 (KJV) Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
[29] But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. [30] Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

second most favorite woman on TV a sodomite
churches ordained sodomites?

seen TV ads lately on drugs>?
its growing like wild fire..
Time is running out ,start growing in Faith so someone you know can grow too ( LOVE)


Rev. 18:23 (KJV) And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

GBU
michael

[passin_thru]

I’ve seen many of the same things Duncan questions in my own ‘overcomer’ relatives. I also see Michael has the same personality as my relatives. They too say things like, “I will not be chopping wood and cut my self,,,, I walk by faith not by sight And do not live in hypothetical situations,, rather I stand on the word!” Like Michael’s quote, my relatives smugly profess accidents only happen to lowly lesser folk.

Like Michael, they also confess perfect health. Yet, if anyone can get closer for a better look, the truth is very different. For example, my relatives now eat all food via a blender. They have no teeth left, and for them, dentures are of the devil.

They believe giving up doctors is ALL-important, even though the Bible never says it. They have no idea their conception of God is warped. They don’t care as long as they can call themselves ‘overcomers’ and believe they are better than everyone else, including other overcomers (e.g. Michael versus Mark).

If anyone were stupid enough to follow Michael’s posts and suffer or die, it would just be chalked up as yet another example of lack of faith or unrepentant sinner. Hobart Freeman taught well the ways of being compassionless and assuming no responsibility.

I think of diabetics who need insulin daily and people needing dialysis to live. Freeman’s teaching was so hollow and insensitive. My overcomer relatives have said, “If diseased people had faith, they wouldn’t be sick.” What a sinful lie.

Freeman’s faith formula didn’t work for him, his grandchild and more than 100 of his followers who died. Wherever and whenever similar theology is practiced, people always needlessly suffer and die. If you honestly look at Hobart Freeman’s rotten fruits of suffering, death and spiritual pride, the only rational conclusion is he was a false prophet.

Matthew 7:13-23 fits Hobart Freeman and overcomers to a tee.

P.S. Duncan, I believe ‘trusting in the hand of flesh’ means trusting man to the point of excluding God. This is not required, per a doctor/patient relationship. An example of being over-the-line would be the level of trust overcomers place in Hobart Freeman.

[fivefoldprophet]

Paasing thru
you said;
P.S. Duncan, I believe ‘trusting in the hand of flesh’ means trusting man to the point of excluding God. This is not required, per a doctor/patient relationship.


would swearing oaths to other gods be excluding the Real God???
trusting in the arm of the flesh of men who swear oaths to other gods be excluding God??????

[passin_thru]

Fivefoldprophet, before I answer your question, give proof what I’ve posted six previous times is in error:

Freeman’s faith formula didn’t work for him, his grandchild and more than 100 of his followers who died. Wherever and whenever similar theology is practiced, people always needlessly suffer and die. If you honestly look at Hobart Freeman’s rotten fruits of suffering, death and spiritual pride, the only rational conclusion is he was a false prophet. (Matthew 7:13-23)

[mark1124]

To Michael the false prophet...you call yourself a prophet. You have been tested and found wanting. The Lord led me to listen to the two tapes by brother Freeman on tests for True Prophets from the Jeremiah series and you have been shown to be a false prophet.

Secondly, I am not a sinner.

Thirdly, Brenneman DID lie. If I said that he did not lie, then I would be a liar.

Now back to our regularly scheduled program.

[mark1124]

To everyone else. I just praise God for His faithfulness in healing me without the aid of medical deities. I had been battling symptoms of a cold recently. In fact my voice was very raspy and I had to umpire a high school game behind the plate yesterday. My voice was worse for ware all day at work yesterday. I claimed my healing and a strong voice. I was the plate umpire in yesterday's game. When the game started, my voice was as strong as it ever was and I had no problems calling the game. My voice is still healed even this morning and I praise God that He healed me without the aid of medical deities.

Now Michael, if I am a sinner, would God have heard me and would He have healed me? No. For God does not hear the prayer of a sinner (except the prayer to receive Jesus in his heart.) The Bible says that if I regard iniquity in my heart the Lord will not hear me. But God heard me, and in His faithfulness, He healed me. It looks like I am not a sinner after all.

Thank God that I did not have to rely on the arm of the flesh to get my healing.

And one other thing Michael, quit boasting of your good works. It is on your website and now you boast of your good works elsewhere. You have your reward now. Yes Michael, you are a prophet. I agree 100 percent with you...a false one.

[healed]

Brother Mark seems so full of contridictions. Umpire the baseball game? I do seem to recall that playing or participating in sports cultivated a spirit of competiveness, so playing sports was out the window. How I would of loved to play sports in school, but that was to be shot down. Tell us brother Mark, how do you justify participating in sports these days? What would your idol Freeman say of that?

[rachelengland]

"Thank God that I did not have to rely on the arm of the flesh to get my healing". Mark

Mark that sounds like quite a prideful statement there. Relying on the intelligence of a medical professional is not really a bad thing- especially if your playing a game of baseball and you get knocked in the head with a bat and your bleeding all over - would you go get stitches I wonder or would you just say-"In Jesus name I command this bleeding to stop"...Mark stop this ridiculousness and quit spreading this false doctrine-lives are taken far to soon with this kind of teaching..

btw-I am RLS on cultbusters-I wasn't sure if yoiu knew that...but you were kind to me the other day regarding my loved one who lost her life to this doctrine-in fact I am sure your not an evil ogre ...just mislead...be careful- that is all that I can say.

[duncan]

Based upon the responses to my questions, it looks like no one else can explain the contradictions that went on at FA. As I've said before, I am 100% behind the Word of God. What I do have a problem with is when men use their own beliefs to try and regulate everyday life, such as the clothes you wear, the types of foods you eat.

Healed actually brought up another area that I forgot about - playing sports. As I recall, it wasn't about the competitive nature of sports, but is was based upon the scripture of not being "unequally yoked with unbelievers."

This is another contradiction at FA. In some form or fashion, we are all linked to unbelievers. Examples are as follows:
1) We are have declared we are citizens of our state in order to obtain a drivers license.
2) Unless you are self-employed, we have jobs that link us to unbelievers through a common employer.
3) We have all joined FactNet, and there are many members who are not saved. Doesn't that yoke us together in some way?

I could go on and on about ways we are yoke together with people every day. Why was it that playing sports was considered a different kind of yoking? Just like healed, I also was not able to play sports in school. I'm not scarred for life because I couldn't play sports, and I don't hate the world because of it.

What I am stating is that there were many daily routines/activities that were demanded of Dr. Freeman that were just his opinion and not found anywhere in scripture. Going back to women wearing pants. No where in scripture does it say women couldn't wear pants. It states that women should not wear "that which pertains to a man." My wife has many pairs of pants that look nothing like my pants. So what we have here is HEF's own personal interpretation that was handed down as if it were gospel.

Just some more friendly observations.

Duncan

[hombre]

...back to the entire 'Faith Healing' issue.

...I've listened to both sides now, for what seems like forever.

Bickering, fighting, denials, finger pointing, etc., etc., etc.

Passin-thru wants to blame interpretations, and throw out the baby with the bathwater; so do Odyseuss and Healed.
Mark wants to insist on the purity of HEF and FA; so does Five Fold Prophet, except there are other problems.
Duncan wants to find middle ground to stage a sit-in for peace.

I am going to suggest, and keep on saying that:

1. The problem ISN'T with what is in the Bible.
2. The Bible clearly teaches and promises physical healing from God.
3. The reasons WHY many haven't/didn't/may-never will get healed that way is due to their own
personal problems. That might/would include some/one of the following ( not limited to, but defined for purposes of illustration ):

A. Failure to believe.
B. Sin in ones' life.
C. A religious conviction versus a relationship with God.
D. Trials of ones' faith.

I am also going to say:

I know you've heard all that before, but it's time to quit blaming HEF and FA, and using them as an excuse to not accept what is clearly presented in the Bible, and try to figure out why it didn't/doesn't work for you. Every possible reason that I can think of, fits in the above categories. Where I believe that we need some balance, is in this refusal to face Bible scriptures like Mark 11:24, and like Mark 16, and like James 5, and come to a definitive conclusion about them. Why on earth should they be any different than John 3:16 in terms of their face value? Next, I would suggest that everything that we need to understand these issues is already contained within the Bible. For example, We are told that people who waver in faith don't receive. Common sense ought to tell one that if they don't feel comfortable with trusting God for their healing, or if they start to doubt the reality of that promise, if they want to live, perhaps they should see a doctor, because the condition to receiving healing from God simply isn't being met. Obviously, healing from God would be the best way, but living another day might be a good idea.

...besides....I venture to guess that there are a lot of other areas in each of our lives in which faith, consecration, and fruit bearing are not exactly at 100% levels.
For example, it would seem to me that someone who gets angry in traffic, has at least a little more work left in him/her, before he/she is able to heal people by the passing of their shadow.

....it really is time to move on with our lives, and simply examine ourselves and the totality of our lives, one step, and one day at a time.

We're either Christians, or we are not.

I for one, am not going to either praise or defame anyone who either trusts God for their healing, or uses doctors.

So what. It's a personal decision that is really nobodies' business except their own.

[rachelengland]

Duncan, thank you for you post 182-it put so much into perspective-We see often the perils of what happens when we take one mans word for it and allow him to control your way of life. We are free in Christ and what we wear and how we phrase certain words doesn't guarantee a blessing. Do people really think they have God all figured out that way?

[duncan]

I wonder why divine healing always seems to be the flashpoint when discussing FA? If it weren't for that one subject, we would have no discussion board. No matter what we begin to talk about, it always seems to come back to that.

Since I seem to be in the questioning mood, let me post another question - Can God heal a person by using another person?

If we are truly Christians, we should all believe that God can do anything and that he can heal our bodies just based upon our prayer. That should be a given. On the other side of that coin is my above question. Will God heal through the talents of another person. It would still be God accomplishing his work and would still fulfill the scriptures that He heals all our diseases.

Now before you start breaking out fifty scriptures that talk about healing, let me pose another question by using the following scripture. The Bible states that "God will supply all your needs according to His riches and glory."

I NEED a house to shelter my family. I truly believe that if God desired, he has the power to speak a house into existence for me in the twinkling of an eye. So why would I hire a builder to come in and build one for me? I NEED food to feed my family. I truly believe that I could sit down at my empty table and God could speak the word and food would appear on my table, so why would I have to rely on my local supermarket. Finally, I NEED to have a car to get to work. If it breaks down on the way to work, I have no doubt whatsoever that God could speak the word and my car would purr like a Ferrari. Why then would I bother relying on a mechanic to fix it?

After all, the Bible clearly and precisely tells me in Matthew 6:31 to not take thought about what to eat, what to drink or how I will be clothed. I can't argue with that verse. It goes on to tell me to seek the Kingdom, and these things will be added unto me. He supernaturally fed the Israelites with manna and the birds brought food for Elijah. Why not me too? I am also a child of the King!

I'm being totally serious and not trying to be funny with this. I am truly wondering why people interpret the scriptures regarding healing (scan up this thread and you will see a hundred of them) as being something that God will only do supernaturally. I know that God doesn't NEED a doctor to set a broken bone for me, just as God doesn't NEED a mechanic to fix my car. However, can't God USE a doctor to fix me, the same way He would use a mechanic to fix my car?

Duncan

[fivefoldprophet]

love freeman with all your heart or hate Him with all your heart..

I really believe the reason some of you people fight over freeman is
"you dont know anyone else but Him"

(I dont have a reason to Fight over Freeman so good bye!)

the info on the AMA is here to be read
thats why I posted it
GBU ALL

michael

anyone who is ever interested in Jesus and the scripture and want to talk Look me up!

[duncan]

Five,

Don't take your marbles and go home. Stick around. This thread actually had some decent discussions going on (for a change).

As for Freeman, I neither love him nor hate him, and I am not here to defend him nor to curse him. As a child during the peak of the FA scene, I am here to learn more about why so many were drawn to the teachings. As an adult, I now understand the deeper things of the Word of God and I am able to discern and interpret for myself. As such, when I see something that is a personal opinion verses something that is God's word, I feel obligated to question it and point it out. I hope you didn't take anything personal.

Duncan

[william]

Duncan,

I think the difference in the car/mechanic and the healing issue is vastly different. One is directly provided for in the atonement of Jesus Christ, the other is not.

Ask yourself the question, why do we celebrate the bread and the cup in our communion services? The wine (or grape juice for those in the bible belt), should be sufficient for many, if not most, churches. We all know that the wine signifies the blood that was shed on our behalf. The propitiation of our sins is represented by the cup, the new testament, the forgiveness of sin. On the other hand, we have the bread which represents what?

Paul links being weak and sickly with a lack of discernment concerning these very issues. Why should we think it is different today. If one doesn't believe that healing is in the atonement, then to what purpose is the partaking of the Lord's body, represented by the bread?

I can assure you that if the healing of our cars was an atonement issue... well, I started to say that there would be a lot fewer mechanics, but as I think about it, probably not.

For the record. I have never heard of anyone who didn't brush their teeth (until I read it here), bandage up wounds, and in general use common sense when dealing with faith/healing issues. There may have been those who took that position, but in the 10 years I spent at FA, I didn't run into such a one.

Glasses were another issue altogether. As I've stated elsewhere, that practically became a rite of passage for attendance at FA, I'm ashamed to say.

When a sick person calls for the elders of the Church it is almost always as a last resort. They serve a God of last resort. I think he should be a God of First Resort! Then, if He doesn't help, check out the other options. If healing is in the atonement, (and we are able to discern it) then I think that may be as far as we need to go. If it isn't in the atonement, then you'd better find a good ole MD for your body, in the same manner you find a mechanic for your car.

But, if it is in the atonement (healing), and we still need to search for that wonderful christian doctor to heal us, then we should reconsider the Catholic position that says we also need a doctor (priest) for the blackness of our sins. The wine/blood might not be enough.

William

[passin_thru]

Oh, ye of little faith! How can you forget Mark 11:24?

There is validity in Duncan’s doctor versus mechanic analogy. We can have ANYTHING! God is so much more than just our doctor and pharmacy. He’s our Super Walmart in the sky. All we have to do is buy into the word-of-faith lie.

Hobart Freeman quipped, “What I confess, I possess.” Others have dubbed, “Name it and claim it” and “Blab it and nab it”. Nice catch phrases that describe our joyous (albeit self-serving) relationship with the Lord. Once we nail down this faith formula thing, God will be at our beck-and-call. It’s too bad Freeman died from it before he figured it out.

Michael sees the ancient doctor oath to false deities issue. Then doesn’t it follow that Christians shouldn’t partake with major corporations that invest in pornography? That’s right! Look it up! The pimps and prostitutes aren’t bringing home the thirty billion a year in profits. It’s companies like General Motors and Exxon. However, as of yet my heavenly request for a car made by God with bottomless gas tank hasn’t arrived.

P.S. I most certainly believe God answers prayer, just not this way.

[william]

passing_thru,

So, am I to understand that you deny that healing is in the atonement of Jesus Christ?

William

[passin_thru]

William,

Just so I know a little more about you, how long has it been since you’ve gone to a doctor or dentist?

Passin_thru

[william]

Well, it was a simple yes or no I was looking for, but since you asked nicely... 1974 or 5, if memory serves me correctly.

William

[mark1124]

You know something folks...let me say this if I may.

We do not need the false prophet's AMA garbage to prove that doctors are not the way to go when it comes to healing. We don't even need Hobart Freeman's teachings either.

Let's erase both of them from our memory ok?

What do you have left?

The word of God which says that God alone is our doctor. He said "I am the Lord the healeth thee."
He did not say, "I am the Lord that healeth thee if the doctors don't work out." He didn't say, "I am the Lord that healeth thee as the second choice of your healing." Since God wants to be first and foremost in all of our lives, no matter what, guess where He wants to be concerning the healing of our bodies?

And yes Pass thru - what I confess, I possess really does work. It started with your salvation.
Remember Romans 10:9-10?

I think we better stop thinking about the faith way as a bunch of formulas. We have reduced it down to a bunch of formulas and that's where we have missed it. How about meeting the conditions, instead of acting out some kind of formula? After all, there are conditions to all of the promises of God. Remember again Romans 10:9-10? Your salvation is conditional. Well so is receiving from God. You meet the conditions he set out in His word, and God is faithful to fulfill His word, in His time and in His way.

And pass thru, about your car with the endless gas tank, that would be nice. But God wants you to trust Him for the gas (and the car.)

One final unrelated topic:

I have to praise the Lord for one thing:

That the Lord has ridden us of the self appointed "prophet". He won't be missed.

[passin_thru]

William:

Boy! I gotta stop askin’ that question. I keep runnin’ into ultra-loyalists like my two diehard Freeman relatives. Of course, my other two Freeman relatives already died.

You must have awful strong dental enamel like my daughter. She has never had a cavity in her twenty-four years. However, I have more metal than teeth. One of these days, I’m gonna set off the airport detectors.

Anyway, I’ll answer your question. I do not believe physical healing is guaranteed in this present physical world, per Christ’s sacrifice on the cross. Many of the Bible verses to which word-of-faith clings, have more to do with spiritual healing (i.e. Isaiah 53:4-5). Other verses, like Mark 11:24, are for the glory of God, not our selfish whims.

In addition to this, I look at the fruits of word-of-faith. I see a lot of carnality and grief. I see the likes of Copeland and Hinn made rich through the offerings of others. I see them teaching unsound doctrine. Per Hobart Freeman and his disdain for doctors, the harm was even much greater. People actively suffered and died, mostly children.

However, I most certainly believe God heals. My daughter was born in a hospital under extremely miraculous conditions. So much so, when I emailed Joe Brenneman about it, years ago, he wanted to put my email on the Faith Assembly website. I declined the offer.

That’s right! I’ve emailed Joe Brenneman. He was most understanding and nonjudgmental. And, I wasn’t very nice to him at first. I emailed him to see if he knew someway to reach my relatives. But, nothing has ever helped. They want to remain in their own little world. They aren’t like anyone here in FACTnet. They would never talk to any of us. They are too good for anyone, even other overcomers. Still, I love them and hope.

passin_thru

[mark1124]

Pass-thru.

I understand where you are coming from and share your concerns. I have to disagree with you on the healing in the atonement issue however. Is. 53:5 is a typical interpretation that we all hear - spiritual sickness. That's "man-ology" (oops sorry a bad word.) Anyway, seriously though...in the Hebrew, it says that Jesus carried our sicknesses and carried our pains. To say from that that it is only spiritual is adding to the scriptures.

The problem with the word-faith theology is that they do not advocate that you will ever have any pains, worries, trials and tribulation. But we both know that trials, persecution and so forth are the way for a believer. And they don't teach that. They teach a get rick quick type of message. But the Bible teaches to trust God for our daily needs. Need I quote Matthew 5 again...take no thought..... I will agree with you that there is a lot of carnality with word-faith theology...and a lot of error. You can see the fruits of it for yourself. I guess it was one big reason why Freeman parted company with it.

And you know pass_thru...it's too bad that some "overcomers" got into spiritual pride and won't associate with normal Christians. I don't think that is overcoming to me. I don't know if they were taking Freeman's teachings to the extreme or not. I can't answer that. It's just too bad that a lot of Christians misunderstand what overcoming really is. Like I said in Cultbusters...overcoming is being victorious is every area of life.

Anyway...I hope that you can understand where I am coming from as well.

God bless

Mark

[fivefoldprophet]

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[fivefoldprophet]

Freeman use to say dont let anyone question your Sincerity

(And woo woo woo woo! -- Mark )

(no wonder MARK was removed as ADMIN at faith assemblys online church!)

He would not repent!!!!!

(And woo woo woo woo! -- Mark )

look in the mirror MARK! it came true!(prophesy)
!! you are not any longer ADMIN and have dryed up....
and still you wont REPENT

your self righteous answer is to call the pastor a liar!!!!

(And woo woo woo woo! -- Mark )

[hombre]

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PASSIN-THRU: I do not believe physical healing is guaranteed in this present physical world, per Christ’s sacrifice on the cross. Many of the Bible verses to which word-of-faith clings, have more to do with spiritual healing (i.e. Isaiah 53:4-5). Other verses, like Mark 11:24, are for the glory of God, not our selfish whims. <!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

What do you do with 3 John 2: Beloved, I wish ABOVE ALL THINGS that you mayest PROSPER and BE IN HEALTH, EVEN AS YOUR SOUL PROSPERETH.

That seems to make it abundantly clear that Gods' will for us is to prosper and be in health, in the same way that we prosper and be in health spiritually. It says to me that the physical condition is subject to the spiritual condition, and that God wants us to be perfectly whole and blessed spiritually and physically. John is merely restating the doctrine of sowing and reaping in his own way, as he continues on by noting that he rejoiced when he learned that they were walking in truth, which is tied to the previous verse. Now, we can either assume that these are verses of Johns that were meant only for a select few, and not us, or we can assume that, according to 2 Tim. 3: 16, that it is scripture given by the inspiration of God, to us, and for us. But I'm not telling anyone here, anything they haven't heard before. You can choose to either take it at face value, as a little child, or you can find ways to explain to others that it doesn't mean what it says.

Concerning Mark 11: 24, I take issue with your statement that 'whatsoever things YOU DESIRE' does not include things that I desire. It most certainly does. Moreover, God has blessed me abundantly with things that I desire, for no other reason than that it pleases Him to do so, though I am totally unworthy in myself, outside of the blood of Jesus Christ. People who like to take this pious approach to Gods willingness to bless us as though He is far too busy or important to care about our trivialities, would rob us of what Christ died to give us. They like to explain to us that God only moves mountains or creates miracles as He sovereignly wills, so that basically, prayer becomes a roulette wheel of chance for us; however, that is in direct conflict with the entirety of Christs' teaching on faith as well as the rest of scripture. If the proponents of this brand of unbelief would tell me please, what purpose was served by God in withering the fruitless fig tree, other than Jesus' retribution towards a fig tree that denied Him His personal desire to eat a fig?......I'll take it a step further. One might say that Christ was demonstrating the parable of 'the good tree, which bears fruit, and the corrupt tree which brings forth evil fruit ' ( Matt. 7 : 16-23 ) in the realm of reality, to bring that lesson across, in a unmistakable way. Make no mistake about it, FAITH is a fruit ( Gal 5:22 ), and it is IMPOSSIBLE to please God without it ( Heb. 11: 6 ). Now, I'll finish the rest of that verse. ' ....for he that cometh to God MUST BELIEVE: 1.) THAT HE IS, and 2. ) THAT HE IS A REWARDER OF THEM THAT DILIGENTLY SEEK HIM .' I don't find an aloof, uncaring, capricious God in the One who took on human form, submitted Himself to horrendous torture and died for us in Jesus Christ. I find a loving heavenly Father who wants the best for His children, and wants to give them not only their needs but also their desires. Do I need to reference Psalm 37: 4, among others, to make this point stick?

[hardbones]

Well 5fold I don't know why you are going after Mark the way you are but it is almost embarrassing. Over the years people have come to me with a word from the Lord and it is always apreciated when they simply leave it with me. Sometimes it is the Lord and sometimes it isn't. Leaving it with me gives me time to sort it out and deal with it if necessary. I don't see anywhere in the word where a man of God has to keep after someone he has no spiritual responsibility for to obey the word he brought. Plus your attitude really leaves something to be desired. All I know about this situation is what I have read here but from what I have read it doesn't even look all that serious.

[mark1124]

Thank you hardbones. I appreciate the fact that somebody is on my side (besides the Lord, of course.)

Fivefold is a self proclaimed prophet of God. He fails the tests of a New Testament prophet handsdown.

This kind of nonsense has been going on for four years now. And no matter what...he will not stop. You should here him in his chat room.
He doesn't realize that what happened before is now under the blood of Jesus. Why? Because he says that having sins under the blood is not found in scripture. Little does he know about the meaning of atonement - to cover (Hebrew).
Secondly, it is none of his business as well. I often wonder who made him to be my lord anyway?
He supposedly "studied" under Hobart Freeman. I guess Fivefold was not in attendance when he taught on true and false prophets. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gifBe that as it may...the tests of a true prophet prove Fivefold to be an imposter and unloving, even though I tried to reconcile with him. It is best that we leave him in his sinful ways and self deceptions and let the rest of us live our lives for the glory of God.

Isn't it interesting that Fivefold would like all of us to bow our knees and repent to him.
Isn't it funny that he wants me to repent in public in a public forum when the only repentance needed is privately before God. It sounds like the prophet does not know his Bible. Well, that kind of attitude is wrong in the first place.

If I were to use the laws of the land to my advantage, I could press charges against him for lies and slander. But since I am a Christian and live in another kingdom under another set of laws, I will let it go because I would rather obey the commandments of the Lord than the commandments of men.

Thanks again and God bless

(Message edited by mark1124 on April 14, 2007)

[mark1124]

And to Duncan,

I read your posts about me apologizing first. I did and he didn't. I tried to reconcile with him twice and he is still bound by his deceptions.

Michael...go study the word atonement in Hebrew. It means to cover (among other things). I looked it up myself. Freeman taught that in his Biblical Theology class. I can prove it. I listened to the tape the other night. I guess you must have been out sick or playing hookey from class that day.

So not only is Michael a false prophet but he is a false teacher too. That settles it for me.

Shalom

(Message edited by mark1124 on April 14, 2007)

[passin_thru]

Hombre (et. al.), I know you see it so clear and have it all thought out. However, like I posted above, the Lord has also worked miracles in my lowly life. He’s always been faithful to me, even when I haven’t been faithful to Him, and He’s never asked me to put anyone’s life in jeopardy by withholding medical care.

Heck, I know people in wheelchairs who can run circles around me as far as living their life for Jesus Christ. I’ll never tell them, “If you had faith, you’d be healed!” I’ve committed my fair share of sins. Yet, I don’t want to be guilty of that one.

I’ve had my say for a while. Like I’ve said before, I can only think of this stuff so long before I need a break. I’ll sign-off for now with what I’ve posted seven times before in this thread. As of yet, no one has addressed it:

Freeman’s faith formula didn’t work for him, his grandchild and more than 100 of his followers who died. Wherever and whenever similar theology is practiced, people always needlessly suffer and die. If you honestly look at Hobart Freeman’s rotten fruits of suffering, death and spiritual pride, the only rational conclusion is he was a false prophet. (Matthew 7:13-23)

[fivefoldprophet]

Psalm 105:15 (KJV) Saying, Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm.


MARK
You are wicked and have called Joe Brenneman a LIAR (here in text in this thread)

You Mark
have went after Joe Brenneman and the Holy Ghost is coming after you!
( I warned them about you in the beginning )

Acts 8:22-23 (KJV) Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.
[23] For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity.


Mark
I don’t receive your spirit in the name of Jesus!

[fivefoldprophet]

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[hardbones]

Well that's me all right. I don't really know what you're trying to say though. I don't actually live in Waterloo. I actually live about 15 miles away in New Hamburg. I guess I'm going to have to concour with mark 11/24's opinion of you though. By the way my name isn't mark 11/24 but it is Mark.
Does anyone know where this map of internet address is? I've seen it talked about on factnet and have wondered for a while

[hardbones]

I went back and read some of the other stuff on here with 5fold. I guess I'll have to concour with the majority opinion of ignoring him.

[mark1124]

Good call hardbones.

[mark1124]

Be careful hardbones, the prophet 5 fold will look up things about you and smear your good name just like he did to me. Just be warned. He's about as dangerous as the devil. In fact, that is who is motivating him.

With than in mind Michael Markley of Florida, who is known as fivefoldprophet to us here in Factnet, you then do not receive my Spirit, the Holy Spirit in me.

And for the record Michael Malarkey, I call a spade a spade. Brenneman lied to you and to me.
He said a half truth to me about my admin position and that is a lie...check out the tape Anatomy of a Lie by Brother Freeman. Oh I guess you played hookey that day that he taught it too.
So much for you "studying" under Freeman.

I'll see you in your chatroom.

And to hardbones, I apologize you about Michael's rude behavior. He's done it to everyone who does not agree with him and bow down and kiss his feet when he prophesies against people.

May the Lord rebuke him for his evil activities and using the internet as his way of communication. Anyone knows that its takes intestinal fortitude to say what they want online. I wonder how much "guts" this factnet troublemaker would be if we met him in person.

Who knows and who cares.

Thank God our sins are under the blood.

Adios and God bless you Hardbones

[fivefoldprophet]

Well I will be glad to stand up for Joe Breneman (Faith Assembly Pastor)


when the prophesy for faith assembly came true

and mark was removed "By God" from the admin postion at Faith assembly
"he dried up" .....
now mark justifies himself with self righteousness

by claiming Joe Breneman a false pastor and me a false prophet ,claiming we both are liars

michael

[fivefoldprophet]

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[fivefoldprophet]

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[fivefoldprophet]

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[fivefoldprophet]

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[mark1124]

Michael, in the words of the late President Ronald Reagan, "Well, there you go again." You are a false prophet and false teacher and a liar. I never said Brenneman was a false pastor. And I never dried up. I'd like to know how resigning from the admin position caused me to dry up. I wonder if you believe that I am no longer saved because I am not affiliated with Faith Assembly (the current version of it.) Sounds like cultic teaching to me. Man...you are deceived and deluded. This prophet gig is really getting to your head.

Sorry Michael...you are a false prophet. And Hobart Freeman said you were too. I just listen to the tapes on discerning true and false prophets and the tapes on testing the spirits and you are found wanting in your prophetship.

So go to your chat room and condemn others. I love the name of your chat room..."Prophets Here to Serve You." It sounds to me you are handing out a calling card. We will know if you are a prophet or not. And based on your false prophesy about me, you have been judged false. Get over it. Maybe you should try your hand at apostleship.

You would love to read the support that I have from another forum. They all are for me and against you. And most importantly, I have the support of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

And you are deceived into thinking that I dried up just because I gave up the admin position. That's right...I gave it up. I told Brenneman in an email that I resigned. Brenneman lied to you when he said that he removed me. I resigned myself. And that is the truth. But who cares if you believe me or not.

You see, I tell the truth. You tell lies. You tell lies about everyone who you hate. That's right. You have hatred for people that you disagree with and that is another sin...murder. That's right. A murderer. You hate me so that proves it. If you loved me as a brother like you should, you would have not made up all the lies you said about my "support" for the war and the posting to a porno site and calling Clinton Gay. You would not have looked up things about me and post them to smear my good name.

And by the way, Mr. False Prophet...there is one thing that you are right on...and that is when those who attacked me for my views about Freeman you commended me for not being afraid of their faces. Well, neither am I afraid of your face either.

So go ahead and get yourself deeper in the hole with your lies and slander. They do not phase me. Regardless of what you think, my sins first of all are forgiven. I do not need to repent in public or to you. That is unscriptural. Secondly, my sins are none of your business. They are the business of my Lord Jesus Christ...who died and rose again for my justification. So go ahead and accuse me before the Father. You are just like the devil when you do so, for the devil is the accuser of the brethren. Go before God with my sins. He won't know what you are talking about. Rather than going to God and accusing me of my sins, why don't you go before God with yours. Take out the beam out of your own eye before you take the speck out of mine.

And go learn what the word "atonement" means in the Hebrew. It is kippur (sp) in the Hebrew and it means "a covering" among other things. I agree with my friends on another board....they say you have no idea what you are talking about.

Go back to being a violin player. I hear that you are good at that. You just don't make it as a prophet or a teacher. You don't qualify.

Don't bother writing back to me. I won't answer you. You can say what you want. Nobody cares anymore. They are all tired of you and so am I.

May the Lord spare you on judgment day.

[mark1124]

And further more Michael....Brenneman changed the admin code after I resigned. When I changed my mind and wanted to come back as admin, he told Joanne that he changed the code because I resigned. But he told me that it was time to change the code anyway. Which is it? That is a half truth and a lie. But you know what Michael...I don't hold it against him. I still love Brenneman as a brother and respect him as a pastor. It doesn't matter what happened. To me, it is in the past and it is time to move forward.
Learn a lesson from Me Michael....put it in the past and get on with life. You are stuck in neutral. You are stuck in 2003 when it is 2007.

And Michael, What gives you the audacity to demand from me that I repent in public anyway? Who do you think you are anyway?

And I love your excuse for your failed prophecy by calling it a "conditional prophesy." Guess what Michael. I am not dried up. I am drinking from the well that won't run dry. I have the Living Waters running through me. If that's dry, then bring it on.

I mean...twice I have tried to be friends with you and twice you bring back the same old crap. I have followed the scriptural principal in being the first to reconcile our differences. But nothing seems to work. Your heart is as hard as a rock towards me. If you say you love me as a brother, you lied again. Because you don't.

Once again...Don't bother writing back to me. I won't answer you. You can say what you want. Nobody cares anymore. They are all tired of you and so am I. They are all tired of your antics and would love it if you quit taking over this board with all your AMA trash. Nobody will be convinced by useless statistics and other trash that you post. They need to see it in the word of God that God wants to be their Healer.



(Message edited by mark1124 on April 16, 2007)

[fivefoldprophet]

I dont receive your spirit

In the Name of Jesus!

[mark1124]

That's ok Michael. You have so many unclean spirits in you now, one more won't fit in you anyway.

I'm outta here. See you in your chat room, false prophet.

[mark1124]

That's ok Michael. You have so many unclean spirits in you now. (Knowing you, you will probably accuse me of saying that the Holy Spirit is an unclean spirit, right? Go ahead. Say it. Lie again.

It's nice that you treat the Holy Spirit like a dog..."The Holy Spirit is coming after you." Sounds like a dog chasing me. Like you can send the Holy Spirit after me. Good night! You amuse me Michael.

I'm outta here.

[odysseus]

I’m just kind of curious Mark, if ‘so called ‘Fivefold prophet’ doesn’t bother you, then why do you go to other websites to rant against him like he is some type of ‘heretical’ demonic figure against you? For example (www.overcomersonline.com (http://www.overcomersonline.com) www.culstbusters.com.au (http://www.culstbusters.com.au)). Man you certainly come off as a person who has personal issues. It looks like fivefold prophet knows what buttons to push on you too.

Now that’s entertainment!

[mark1124]

Because I would like to warn people of false prophets.

Also, I would like other peoples thoughts on the topic in question...namely...our sins being under the blood. After all, I would like other opinions and just not my own. And so far, everyone agrees with me, except for one.

You are right though. odysseus. And I shouldn't let him get to me. But I guess I need a little entertainment myself, if you know what I mean.

You know odysseus, we do have to watch out for false prophets. And I thought I would warn anyone about the false prophet of factnetmania just in case someone from those forums want to come and oppose the "prophet". I'm just doing my Christian thing, you know.

I'm not sure if Michael "pushed my button" as you say. Let's just say that it was a rebuke that he would not listen to. Notice his defiant attitude.

But thanks for the good observation.

God bless odysseus.

I'm history. Back to cultbusters where there is no bashing by self appointed prophets.

[fivefoldprophet]

http://www.cultbusters.com.au/index.php?topic=24.msg12017#msg12017


And Franklin, I never advocated to watch parents let their children die. Do me a favor ok? Don't make me out to be a liar like the Factnet prophet (fivefoldprophet) ok? Only God can tell the parents to trust Him alone. Not man. Not even Freeman. To some, that is a leap of faith. But maybe they should be walking by faith instead.

[fivefoldprophet]

HAHA MARK calls the pastor a liar,, then says he is not a false pastor? haha just a true pastor that is a liar?

the pastor put up with Mark's calling people real bad names
and tried to help him a long time!
but Mark Just kept on sinning ,,
till God took him out of Faith Assembly
(the prophesy came true!)
look at all the real bad names he called Healed!


I dont recieve MARKS spirit in
"Jesus name!"


marks post below
http://www.cultbusters.com.au/index.php?topic=387.msg11953#msg11953


His latest tirade is that I called the current pastor of Faith Assembly (which was founded by Hobart Freeman) a liar. And now he is saying I am calling him a false pastor. No such thing. Well, I rebuked him harshly for his accusation and he wrote back to me saying the he did not receive my spirit. That's OK. He doesn't want the Holy Spirit, no problem.

[david_munson]

}}<font color="000000"><font face="arial,helvetica"></font>
Hey five,
you are not a prophet.

I can see that.
It's a gift.

It's also obvious to any believer with any Spiritual sense.

Jeremiah 5:31 The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?
Jeremiah 23:21 I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied.
Jeremiah 23:31 Behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that use their tongues, and say, He saith.

Deal with it.

I will not be back here.

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[mark1124]

Neither will I. The prophesy is false.

[mark1124]

Neither will I.

Hmm...I have so many posts of the false prophet that I think I have enough material to write a book about the confused world of Michael Markley. Better yet, maybe I create a blog and write it there for all the world to see.

Nice going Michael, you just caused another person to leave here because of your immaturity.

(Message edited by mark1124 on April 17, 2007)

[fivefoldprophet]

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[mark1124]

Hmm...I wonder what the purpose of this nonsense is all about.

It looks like the prophet has nothing better to do when he is not bashing other Christians for their "sins" which are under the blood of Jesus
and lying about other people and giving out false prophecies from his own spirit.

Ho hum. He must have a lot of time on his hands.

[fivefoldprophet]

http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/2004/01/31/lipitor_the_human_cost.htm


LIPITOR DEATHS induced by the AMA
These drugs apparently ruin perfectly good lives with "side effects" that lead to slow degradation into physical disability

[fivefoldprophet]

http://www.answers.com/topic/eli-lilly-and-company

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[fivefoldprophet]

do you want to trust men who swear oaths to medical gods (devils)
James 5:12 But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.



http://www.newstarget.com/009278.html

Statistics prove prescription drugs are 16,400% more deadly than terrorists

According to the groundbreaking 2003 medical report Death by Medicine, by Drs. Gary Null, Carolyn Dean, Martin Feldman, Debora Rasio and Dorothy Smith, 783,936 people in the United States die every year from conventional medicine mistakes. That's the equivalent of six jumbo jet crashes a day for an entire year. But where is the media attention for this tragedy? Where is the government support for stopping these medical mistakes before they happen?

[fivefoldprophet]

Psalms 8:2 Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings hast thou ordained strength because of thine enemies, that thou mightest still the enemy and the avenger.

[healed]

dumber than an <font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font> Duncan posted this:
"I wonder why divine healing always seems to be the flashpoint when discussing FA? If it weren't for that one subject, we would have no discussion board. No matter what we begin to talk about, it always seems to come back to that".

Its probally because so many people died because of that subject DTAA Duncan!

[fivefoldprophet]

healed
take a look at this and give me your opinon

(david_munson->Registered: 9-2005<-US UNITED STATES MASSACHUSETTS CAMBRIDGE)
(mark1124->Registered: 9-2005<-US UNITED STATES MASSACHUSETTS CAMBRIDGE)

(US UNITED STATES MASSACHUSETTS CAMBRIDGE )


thanks

GBU

michael

[duncan]

Healed,
Thanks for your reply. That clears it all up.

Duncan

[mark1124]

Ummm...David Munson and I are not the same person. We are in agreement about a certain person whom we shall name nameless and we agree, I am sure, theologically. But David and I are two different people. The only other thing that David and I have in common is that we love Jesus with all our hearts and we don't listen to self proclaimed prophets.

Cheers

[fivefoldprophet]

http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=670

CONVENTIONAL MEDICINE KILLS
Tuesday, August 30, 2005 - FreeMarketNews.com

Added to the list of reasons why a person can benefit by leading a healthy lifestyle is one more – spending as little time as possible inside the nation’s healthcare loop can literally be a life-saver. What We Now Know talks about a report recently released by the non-profit Nutrition Institute of America, which estimates that conventional medicine kills over 780,000 people per year, making healthcare the number one cause of death in the

[fivefoldprophet]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicine_murder



Medicine murder
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
Medicine murder involves the murder of someone in order to excise body parts for incorporation as ingredients into medicine. It is not human sacrifice in a religious sense. Its practice in the format described below appears in the main to be limited to countries in subsaharan Africa

[mark1124]

Who cares?

[fivefoldprophet]

Mark1124

you called Joe Brenneman a Liar

unless you repent!

you think the prophesy is over? because God
took you out of Faith Assembly?
and Brenneman changed the admin code?

what you are doing to Him will turn and come on YOU!

michael

[fivefoldprophet]

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3720/is_200301/ai_n9227664


In 1995, the Texas Legislature passed a law requiring the collection of hospital death rates and other statistics for consumer report cards. Five years later, the hospitals were accused of stonewalling and there was no sign that the statistics would be published by the state or by anyone else.

[fivefoldprophet]

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=41088



Medical errors remain a leading cause of death and injury at hospitals nationwide

[fivefoldprophet]

http://denver.injuryboard.com/medical-malpractice/medical-errors-and-death-in-hospitals.php

A recent study by HealthGrades indicates that the most serious problem in U.S. hospitals is medical error. This study ranked hospitals in New York, New Jersey, Nevada, Tennessee and the District of Columbia as those ranking lowest in patient safety.

[fivefoldprophet]

http://www.wftv.com/news/5127864/detail.html



ORLANDO, Fla. -- An Orange County man was arrested, accused of impersonating a doctor. Deputies were investigating how much access he had in hospitals like ORMC and Arnold Palmer. Investigators said he used the con to pick up women.

[fivefoldprophet]

USAO/CDCA Press ReleaseGerald Barnes, 70, was sentenced on his fifth conviction of impersonating a doctor. The 10-year sentence imposed by United States District Judge J. Spencer ...
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[fivefoldprophet]

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?sec=health&amp;res=9A0CE7DB143CF934A2575 AC0A963958260



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[fivefoldprophet]

http://www.themedicaldirectory.org/essays/hippocratic.shtml

The Hippocratic Wound Healer

The combination of superstition with simple rational therapy is also seen in the Greek cult of "Temple sleep". The ritual was carried out in the temples of Aesculapius, the Greek god of medicine. The healer was an associate of priests -or the priest himself- and sometimes offered help.
Usually, after a sacrifice was made, the patient slept in the colonnade of the temple. During the night the god either performed an operation with the aid of snakes or appeared to the patient in a dream and gave advice. In the morning the patient departed…

[mark1124]

who cares?

I would rather quote the unchanging word of God than the word of man.

And Fiverfold, I do not scare at all. Make your false prophecies. Threaten me with your threats.
I just laugh at false prophecies. No weapon formed against me shall prosper. God is my deliverer. And I don't answer to you.

Hey Mr Fiver, you said that if a person sinned, then he is a sinner, right? OK Brenneman lied to me (and to you) so that makes him a liar, according to your definition. But you know what? It doesn't matter anymore. What happened happened. I don't hold it against him. I love him as a brother. Even the people who sides with you on the war thing I still love. They can believe what they want to believe but it doesn't matter. God and I know the real truth...and it is not what you say or what they think.

Everything that happened is under the blood of Jesus. So it really doesn't matter anymore.

Case closed. Now go post some more links about medical science. Looks like with all the time on your hands, that is all you are doing anyway.

[mark1124]

Finally some scriptures. It looks like the prophet has hogged his own thread...and nobody cares what he says. Especially me. Nobody even reads this thread...just like nobody takes him seriously, including me.

[mark1124]

No thank you Michael. I don't listen to false prophets. I am not interested in listening to you bash me for my "sins" which are under the blood.

The Deeper Life and Discipleship room was the ONLY room on Paltalk that preached ALL the truth, bar none. Period.

And stay out of Cultbusters. You are not welcome. Read the posts. I am the only one between you and I that are welcome. So go play your fiddle and deceive your cult following.

(Message edited by mark1124 on April 28, 2007)

[fivefoldprophet]

Christians do not sin! false brethren have a soul of death,,,james 5;18-19


1 John 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

1 John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.


1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.


1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

[fivefoldprophet]

http://www.levity.com/aciddreams/samples/lexington.html


The patients at Lexington had no way of knowing that it was one of fifteen penal and mental institutions utilized by the CIA in its super-secret drug development program during the 1950s.




When the CIA came across a new drug (usually supplied by American pharmaceutical firms) that needed testing, they frequently sent it over to their chief doctor at Lexington, where an ample supply of captive guinea pigs was readily available

[fivefoldprophet]

http://www.spychips.com




good link to watchj

[mark1124]

A certain prophet once said that our sins are not under the blood. I wonder where he got that from.

It is interesting how this prophet has been contradicted by the Word of God. In Psalm 32:1 it says, "Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose SIN IS COVERED." That leaves me to ask this question...if our sins are not covered in the blood like this verse suggests, then what are they covered in? Turpentine?

For all those who are interested (except the self righteous prophet), the word here for covered is kacah, which means to cover; conceal.
The Greek word is epikalupto, which means to cover over so as not to be seen; to pardon) is used when this is quoted in Rom. 4:7. This pardoning is done by God when one confesses his sins and exercises faith in the atoning blood of Jesus Christ (Mt. 26:28; Rom. 3:25-31; 5:1-11; 8:1-3; 10:9-10; Eph. 2:8-9; Col. 1:20; 2:12; 1Jn. 1:7,9; 3:5-10; 5:1-4,18; Rev. 1:5).

So it is hereby proven that not only is Fivefoldprophet a liar and a false prophet, but he is also a false teacher. And the only thing that he needs to do is to repent for tampering with the antonement before it is too late.

Thank God that we have the true word of God and not have to rely on false prophets and false teachers today. But we are in the last days now, aren't we?

[fivefoldprophet]

OH Duncan



yes I have been snared by my words
I have spoke truth in righteousness
in the face of wicked and evil men



you talk about ;
LET YOUR CONSCIENCE BY YOUR GUIDE!


I will "my conscience"

answer;

Hebrews 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ,
who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God,
purge your conscience
from dead works to serve the living God?



answer; MY conscience is purged from their evil and wicked dead works


YOU said >BE YOUR GUIDE!<

my answer;
John 16:13 (KJV) Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come,
he will guide you into all truth:
for he shall not speak of himself;
but whatsoever he shall hear,
that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

( the Spirit of Holiness is my Guide the Holy Ghost!)
these evil and wicked men cannot prevail against the Living God,, named Jesus

And I stand on the word! BY FAITH!

Isaiah 54:17 (KJV) No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper;
and every tongue that shall rise against thee
in judgment thou shalt condemn.
This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord, and their righteousness is of me,
saith the Lord.

[fivefoldprophet]

UNITED STATES

Number of abortions per year: 1.37 Million (1996)
Number of abortions per day: Approximately 3,700


no wonder the AMA swears oaths to devils

http://www.abortionno.org/Resources/fastfacts.html

[william]

fiver said:

"there is nothing in the past that can be dug up on these people,, that can add
they are manifesting their wicked spirits right now! in their sexual suggestive language"

_________________________________________________

and again he says:

"If Feeeman was alive he would throw you people out of Faith Assembly,,,,,,,,,"

_________________________________________________

Just for the record, I had never heard of the term "sadomasochism" until brother Freeman taught about it, so if you want to go around slamming people who use the language, you shouldn't equate using that language with being out of step with HEF.

I also gained the ability to discern the false from the true those many years ago.

You still haven't told us how what you do isn't a manifestation of a sadomasochistic spirit.

Definition:

1. interaction, esp. sexual activity, in which one person enjoys inflicting physical or mental suffering on another person, who derives pleasure from experiencing pain.
2. gratification, esp. sexual, gained through inflicting or receiving pain; sadism and masochism combined. Abbreviation: S-M, S and M

You attempt to do this almost every time you post... but like I said, you are amateurish in the sadistic side of things. Your forte is toward the masochist. Evidence: Your everyone-is-against-me-proves-I'm-a-true-prophet routine. You love it!

william

[fivefoldprophet]

http://www.mercola.com/2000/jul/30/doctors_death.htm


Doctors Are The Third Leading Cause of Death 7/30/00Doctors Are The Third Leading Cause of Death in the US, Causing 225000 Deaths Every Year. This article in the Journal of the American Medical Association ...
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[fivefoldprophet]

The Hipocratic oath may seem outdated and out of context in most scenarios.
But, it certainly does ascertain a sense of Digniity
to human value and offers a spiritual duty towards the performance of the medical proffesion.
In brief, Codes of ethics should not be overestimated or undervalued.

http://www.vrmanoj.com/hippo.html

[mark1124]

Factnet posting rules:

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Bye bye Michael.

Oh...one question I wanted to ask before they kick you off.

Romans 4:7 says Blessed is he whose sins arew covered. Ok then, what is that covering spoken of? And answer me with scripture. Not your man made interpretations. Thank you.

And BTW...I was making a point about the making out line. But you don't care. Hey nice scripture that you posted on your evil website.

You quoted:

John 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

(notice ; ‘no more!’)

Also notice: Neither do I condemn thee. Jesus said that. Since Jesus doesn't condemn me, who on earth gives you the right to condemn me. Nobody. Thank God I am free from condemnation.

Thank God that my sins are forgiven. Thank God that the blood prevails and cleanses. And thank God we are protected by that blood.

So go ahead and try to condemn me. IT won't work.

I love what you said on your evil website:

"The theme of the room is discussing
Prophetic Ministry and the operation
of the fivefold calling of a prophet.
under this calling and anointing I have
started this ministry"

Calling? Anointing? lol. What church were you sent out as a prophet? That is not the NT pattern and you know it. You are a self appointed prophet and your ministry is not NT based, just like the so called apostles and prophets of today...out to make a name for themselves and self appointed.

Michael, if you are a prophet, then I am an apostle. Since I am not an apostle, neither are you a prophet...excuse me...I stand corrected. Yes you are a prophet...a misguided and false one. Freeman would throw you out of FA for claiming you are a prophet when you are not.

[mark1124]

Thank you for your answer to my question Michael. It was truly inspirational. God back to your false ministry

[fivefoldprophet]

william
New member
Username: william

Post Number: 18
Registered: 6-2006
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Huntsville Alabama

[duncan]

Five,

I am firm in my foundation with Christ, so I am never intimidated by the Word of God (that means the actual inspired scripture of God, not some "new" revelation of man). I embrace the Word for what it is - life and liberty.

As for our little "back and forth" postings we had months ago, I have not done that since, nor do I intend to do that now. I will not get into a peeing match with you, nor will I engage in personal attacks. I have said before that there are some things in which I agree with you, but there are also things you post that I believe are wrong.

Whether I voice those or not, it will not change what you believe. As such, it would be foolish for me to try and debate you.

When a post stirs my interest, I respond. However, I don't see a need to post repeatedly to get my point across. People on this board know where I stand on most issues. If they don't, they are welcomed to ask me specific questions, and I will do my best to answer them based upon my study of the Word.

Duncan

[fivefoldprophet]

MedicineTo find a way to benefit from the effect of snake poison has been attempted for ... Snake poison components are also used in the medical treatment of blood ...
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[fivefoldprophet]

This thread was made to show the involvement
Of the Medical institution in the Occult ,,, and
The websites are posted here to be some degree of documentation

The answer to all this is Jesus and receiving His power
Then a person need no other physician……….

John 17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:


Luke 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.


The power of God is the answer and receiving the promises by Faith….

Jesus heals today

Amen

[fivefoldprophet]

part two

The new version, which Dr. Williams says he hopes will spread 'in epidemic profusion through religious and irreligious alike', turns St. Paul's strictures against fornication on their head," adds the Times.
The One organization that produced the new Bible translation is dedicated to "establish[ing] peace, justice, dignity and rights for all." It is also focused on "sustainable use of the earth's resources," challenging "oppression, injustice, exclusion and discrimination" as well as accepting "one another, valuing their diversity and experience."
According to Ekklesia, a London-based "theological think tank" that supports the "One" translation:
The translation is pioneering in its accessibility, and changes the original Greek and Hebrew nomenclature into modern nicknames. St. Peter becomes "Rocky," Mary Magdalene becomes "Maggie," Aaron becomes "Ron," Andronicus becomes "Andy" and Barabbas becomes "Barry."
In keeping with the times, translator Henson deftly translates "demon possession" as "mental illness" and "Son of Man," the expression Jesus frequently used to describe himself, as "the Complete Person." In addition, parables are rendered as "riddles," baptize is to "dip" in water, salvation becomes "healing" or "completeness" and Heaven becomes "the world beyond time and space."
Here's how Williams, the top Anglican archbishop, describes the new Bible: "Instead of being taken into a specialized religious frame of reference – as happens even with the most conscientious of formal modern translations – and being given a gospel addressed to specialized concerns … we have here a vehicle for thinking and worshipping that is fully earthed, recognizably about our humanity."
In addition, notes Ekklesia, the archbishop praises Henson's translation for eliminating "the stale, the technical, the unconsciously exclusive words and policies" in other translations.
Here, according to the London Times, are a few sample passages:
Mark 1:4
Authorized version: "John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins."
New: "John, nicknamed 'The Dipper,' was 'The Voice.' He was in the desert, inviting people to be dipped, to show they were determined to change their ways and wanted to be forgiven."
Mark 1:10-11
Authorized version: "And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him. And there came a voice from the heaven saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."
New: "As he was climbing up the bank again, the sun shone through a gap in the clouds.

[fivefoldprophet]

duncan you are still doing it,, so you have not repented... with your attacks

Luke 17:3 (KJV) Take heed to yourselves:
If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.



Duncan you don’t know the Word... You are under false doctrine

What scripture did James say “ we all stumble????


You said;;
>I will stand by James who states, "We ALL stumble." <


Peter said;
1 Peter 2:8 (KJV) And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence,
even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.

So Duncan you stumble at the word? disobedient

John 11:9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day?
If any man walk in the day,
he stumbleth not,
because he seeth the light of this world.
10 But if a man walk in the night,
he stumbleth,
because there is no light in him.
1 John 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness,
we lie, and do not the truth:

So Duncan you stumble because you walk in darkness? lie and know not the truth??

Romans 9:32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith,
but as it were by the works of the law.
For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

Duncan you stumble because you are not of faith but a law keeper?

Christians stand not stumble,, unless they are sinning... and have a soul of death....
James 5 ;19 20...

Duncan your not saved! you still are sinning.!

1 Corinthians 15:34 Awake to righteousness,
and sin not;
for some have not the knowledge of God:
I speak this to your shame.

[fivefoldprophet]

read it Mark "the prophesy"
you were removed from faith Assembly By God!
it came true............because of your spirit of Hate! and you would not repent!


Woe! unto you who have condemned Gods anointed

Woe! unto you who have brought reproach upon the Holy Spirit

Woe! unto you who have hurt the little children ,it would be better for you to have a mill stone hung around your necks and be thrown into a river.

Just! as a tree that has grown strong and straight ,the sun shall be darkened in your sky and you shall reap your reward .

Just! as a tree that grows near the water , you shall die and dry up ,and no water shall you receive.

Your days shall be shortened and your lives to an end, you have grieved the Holy One and brought condemnation upon your self.

The Love of many has waxed cold.
Repent saith the Lord.

[duncan]

Five,

The reference to James is in chapter 3:2-8. The Greek word for "offend" means "to stumble or cause one to stumble."

If you disagree with James, then I don't see how you can agree with any of the Bible. I have now given several scripture references that plainly say that Christians can and do sin.

I realize that, upon salvation, we have become a new creation, and our sin nature is no more. That does not mean that we are incapable of committing a sin. As long as we are still flesh and blood, we have the capacity to sin - until we receive our glorified bodies.

There's nothing more I can say about that, because I have given clear Biblical references. You will still believe what you want.

On another front, I noticed this weekend that you posted several times on Sunday morning.

I guess you have also decided to ignore the Biblical command to "not forsake the assembling of yourselves together with the saints."

Duncan

[hombre]

Hey, Fiver, you still haven't answered any of my questions.

I am assuming then, as is everyone else, that you simply can't, due to the blind religious frenzy that you have whipped yourself up into.

...anyway, Five, it may be time for you to step back and take a look in a mirror. You're NOT who you think you are, and quite frankly, I fear for your soul, when you attempt to stand before Jesus the Christ in the filthy rags of your own righteousness.

[william]

Hombre,

I sure hope he keeps those posts in the rotation, it will certainly save me a lot of time in the need to post.

Okay fiver, you've pretty much summed up what I've said (cleverly leaving out some of the context of course), but the challenge was:

william: Go ahead, dig up ANYTHING that I've said
(I've said a bunch, both here and at http://www.overcomersonline.com)
and attempt to use it against me.

What is it that you've found that isn't true?

You say your answer is:
_______________________
Fiver:"MY ANSWER;
You people use dirty sexual suggestive comments proof you are not what you claim
Rather wolves in sheep&amp;#8217;s clothing
_______________________

Please tell me how your own words differ in your answer to healed:

+++++++++++++++++++++++
Healed said: "well Id like to see mark and fivefoldfool kiss and make out, or up. these two are really out for each other."
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Now in answer to that you --a self-proclaimed prophet (and a 'prophet' is nothing if his words can't be relied on), stated clearly:

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"hey healed
that would be great,,I agree
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

In the above exchange between yourself and healed, you agree when say that it would be GREAT to 'kiss','make out', and 'make up'.

Now, tell us five, how is it you accuse me of s*xual innuendo, and give yourself a pass here?

[hombre]

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We should not be following men who say they hear from God ...period!<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

Every day, when God speaks to me, I must confess, I am overjoyed. I count it the greatest priviledge of my life to have been chosen to be one whom He cares about enough to condescend to. I am a worm, and not much more than a piece of grass, yet He cares about me.

Rachel, we can't simply say that no one ever truly hears from God, and that anyone who says that they have, are liars.

Following your theory, we ought to also shuck Jesus, since He said that He not only heard from God, and spoke for God, but that He was/is God.

The entire Bible also needs to be chucked then, as well as every other religion in the world, because apparently, according to your theory, no one really knows God.

I note that you are telling us how it is, that we can recognize God in our lives: By noting the glory of creation, and mans' inventions, that acording to you, point the way to God.

May I also note that by this statement, you have set yourself up as a prophet of God yourself, and are suggesting that we follow your way.

Don't get me wrong, Rachel, I understand your problem with those who manipulate the prophetic epilogue; 'Thus saith the Lord'....however, God does, and always has spoken through men and chooses these vessels to speak through, including the rest of the ministry, whether they be Evangelists, Pastors, Teachers or Apostles.

What we have to ask ourselves is whether or not their message agrees with what we believe the Word of God to be. I believe, personally, that the Word of God is what we call 'the Bible'.....and therefore I measure it up to that, by face value alone.

I cannot afford to simply get angry, and throw out anyone who says that they speak for God. We owe it to ourselves to listen long enough to find out if their claim is substantiated or not.

If not, then there is no longer a need in listening..to that person.

We must also remember, and accept the fact that religion is supernatural; God is not something one can measure or prove with scientific weights and measures. The concept of God is far greater than what our human minds can even begin to conceive of; and may I also say that the mind that attempts to define a infinite God by placing boundaries upon Him, is the mind that has imposed upon itself, a limit to its' own understanding.

[fivefoldprophet]

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[mark1124]

Who cares what the false prophet says? We don't need his stinking lies so get lost.

[fivefoldprophet]

I dont recieve the spirit of these "socalled" here at fact net..
>in Jesus name!<

[mark1124]

And I do not receive the lies of fivefoldfalseprophet. Kindly go back to your cult chatroom and your self serving website and deceive people in your neo-discipleship heresy.

[johiyom]

I really enjoyed reading this book:

Understanding the Blood of Christ by David Alsobrook of Sure Word Ministries.