NEW ZEALANDany Kiwis or Aussies

[sunshinesaint]

HI ALL, HAVE NOT BEEN HERE IN A WHILE.
I went back into the church and have finally left again - praise God it took me too many years to work out that i was faking it and then all my time in Morning Star /every nation I was at the most immature that I ever have been as a Christian - I was superficial and I know realise that GOd is a soft and sweet God - His voice is soft and not loud and boisterous. I was lucky I married an "outsider", which awas why I initially left and then stupidly came back...thinking that I could never be a "good enough Christian" anywhere else....it took me all those years but I am glad that I have been set free!!!!! YIPEE

I was wondering if there are any Kiwis or Aussies on here as I see stax of logs from Americans and South Africans but none from this area of the world...

although I can fill a few of you in:

Sean and Trudie Morris were in Auckland and have gone to set up another EN church in Sydney (He is a great preacher but very "into" the wealth/health properity doctrine...which I am very doubtful of now!!!

Beto Chapa, originally a missionary to Auckland in 2000 and then came back permanently and then later went to Melbourne Oz with David and Kristy Spring to plat the Melbourne church. He died suddenly last year of a food allergy shock. Historically he had been very "forceful" in atypical EN style and upset a few, possibly more people's faith (they should be "further along" than they were currently etc...not laying enough down etc)

The Old His People church in Christchurch, New Zealand is, run by Ps Bernard (someone)...he has cuased some trouble down there and many people have left church and it is all falling to pieces.

We decided to leave, after not being at church for a while...not being a part of the elite group and realising that God cares little for this. We had a friend visit us who was telling us the her discipler told her that her and the main pastor's wife had heard from God that she needed to give up her current study which was about to end of 5 years and go and take up another field...she felt sick to her stomach about this and told me....I felt for her as they had done this about my husband years earlier and that was why i left previously - feeling sick to my stomach about what my disicpler was telling me that God was telling her when God clearly can talk to His own children!!! Warning Bells. I explained to her best I could and then we decided to leave....many other reasons tooo...but I felt so annoyed with them that we could not even be bothered wasting anymore time of our life even "saying goodbye"...needless to say no-one has noticed we have gone...except the guy we were sponsoring...so much for WE LOVE YOU...

Anyway...anymore Kiwis or Aussies or anyone else connected?

[sameo]

Wow. Sorry I'm not a Kiwis or Aussie, but just wanted to say thanks for sharing your story. Interesting thing is no matter where in the world one is who has come from maranatha or EN....the story is EXACTLY the same. Amazing.

I cringe at the whole discipling/shepherding thing.

And I agree with you....and I like the softer spoken God alot better also, than the loud 'clanging cymbal' of a voice. How sad was that.(& annoying)

anyway, thanks again so much!

Glad you are here,

SameO

[coppertree]

<font face="arial,helvetica"></font> HI Sunshine Saint,
Welcome, I am so glad that you and your husband are free!!! There is a reason why that God does not bless this church. It is so hard to see this from the inside, you are told to struggle on and that it is your own fault that things are the way they are. It reminds me of a Bob Dlyan song 'Maggie's Farm' ,that says "sing while you slave, and I just get bored".
Maybe you could talk with Robert, when he comes on. He and Phil, and Speakword know about His People church.
People here will pray for you and your friends. You did the hard part already, you and your family got out. It gets better, sometimes there is a little hangover of sorts. But He will lead you and guide you. Welcome, again.}

[robert_unknown]

Sunshine , mail me if you like.

[matt_hatter]

copper: "It gets better"
sameo: "I like the softer spoken God alot better"

Copper, so well said, it is the simple truth. Sunshine, it will get better everyday, until the day when these people have ceased to be of any significance. And sameo, isn't it ironic how much better we can hear the softer voice?

[sameo]

Matt:"And sameo, isn't it ironic how much better we can hear the softer voice?"

WOW! that's so powerful, hatter. Yes, amazingly ironic. So insightful. Speaks volumes.

thank you,

[osakadan]

Seems like EN are on the move in New Zealand. They have won the presidency of the student union at an Auckland university and have someone in the top two finalists of NZ Idol.