So who is the official leader of this dung heap

[40days40years]

Okay we know that Bill Mack is the creator, (thanks Harpel). Then the next choice is Ulyankee at least she has the Holy Grail thing down but somehow I view her as an educator.

This fellow called Tik might qualify but he is rarely around. I think the answer is obvious, our new MCM/MSI/EN leader on factnet is Matt Hatter, prince of Auburn.

[40days40years]

Hey, he has well over 2100 + posts. You know if I was in his neck of the woods (unless I was a deer under his stand) I would want to be a member of his MCM messed up church if MCM churches was all I had to choose from that is.

[pilgrim]

40days40years,

Our leader should always be Jesus Christ alone. We should do our best to try be guided by the Holy Spirit when we write here.

Jesus Christ alone in the head of the church!

Blessings
Pilgrim

[40days40years]

In light of the title of this thread I found it kind of interesting that Ray McCollum in his thanks giving message titled: there must be a pony (http://www.cccaustin.com/listen_online/listen_online.htm) in here somewhere (2'nd message down dated 11-26-06). He preached a message about optimisim and used the example of an optimistic boy who was diggin through a giant pile of manure and when asked what he was doing the boy said there must be a pony in here somewhere. Ray actually said that life throws crap at you and he used that language, amazing. Here he is preaching a message on optimisim and then he pulls his church out of EN? Ray also said 25 minutes into his sermon that you should not call evil, good in the name of mercy. So you might say so what 40/40, the point is he pulled the Austin church out of EN? I find that kind of ironic the timing of his message.

The way I see it when digging through the giant pile of EN you should say there must be a church in here somewhere.http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/proud.gif

[wildwood_]

Sigh…40/40 have you changed checked your fluid levels recently? Oil? Water? Gas? Just asking because sometimes your posting reminds me of Dale Earnhardt Sr’s driving…now I really miss him that he’s not around (You know He’s driving for the Lord) but I’d have to say if I’d been Waltrip or Elliott or possibly any driver but maybe Dale Jr (maybe even Dale Jr) that having that big Intimidator Grin suddenly appear in the mirror or from the corner of my eye as he spun me out “cuz that’s just racin’” … would’ve been a bit more than annoying as I was flipped end over end over end…. Might have made me think it was personal… and your comments from time to time as they just zoom in out of blind spots (from my view at least on the board) sometimes send me spinning from the disrupted air and I don’t like spinning or driving into walls or being flipped end over end over end….I do it fine all by myself. Ouch. However, I do like racin… and skill and sometimes your words and insight do have me yield the right of way….You’ve blown me away in a good way….I’ve drafted….cruising along fine….covering miles….listening and learning….at times I really enjoy reading your words and I see the presence of the Lord…… And then I’m cruisin’ along….ah….running, driving my race and suddenly there’s just the most inexplicable post that appears out of no where…… and I’m hanging onto the wheel trying to figure out what just happened? Tires are screeching (maybe its just me) and Yellow Flags waving…. You do watch NASCAR, right??? LOL So…. Maybe I’ll just ask….. why did you happen to pick that particular title and topic…. Did you mean to sound so well…oh, mean….? Or was it one of these message board communication problems….language issues…. And you tried to just now clarify by explaining you were just looking for a Pony and you know that Hatter happens to be a Kindly Knight so he probably knows something about horses??? Hmmm, I did look online and the equivalent of a Chevy Racing Engine is apparently the V-8 SB2 in the ’06 Monte Carlo 770 HORSEPOWER, 9000RPM…You have a lot of posts too…but looks like the horses will stay ahead of us all…..LOL…

The “leader” is always the one….who is ahead on the lead lap…hmmm... not necessarily the one who will win the race….or who even finishes….sigh…. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/crazy.gif 40/40...You need a Hug...I'm sending You one from Jesus and I'm praying for the Pony to show up soon. Please use your turn signals... http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif

Pilgrim, God Bless You! And AMEN! JESUS IS LORD NONE BUT CHRIST ALONE !

[matt_hatter]

I am embarrassed and feel ashamed by this thread.

[matt_hatter]

For anyone who has enjoyed conversing with me over my time on factnet, I humbly ask that you don't post on this thread. Thank you friends.

[ginger1]

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

[40days40years]

Calling the chits in Hatter? See the ironic thing is that if your friends do not respond then that kind of establishes the fact that you are the leader (irony). Whatever you should be proud because your highly respected here.

Like everybody says this is a messed up church. I could not get away with saying that for instance. Perhaps I chose the wrong title for this thread perhaps not but when I stumbled across that Pastor Ray sermon, incredibly it fit in just fine here and if no one will talk to me I will talk or type to myself.

Well Ginger read what you said on another thread and I agree that God is the same yesterday, today and forever. I don't know about those first born kids and judgement but I do agree that God is God and if He decides to judge something he can do it. Ginger virtually every scriptural point you made I thought of before you posted it in that judgement thread, amazing. And yep I agree that this group as a whole heard the judgement message so much that they tend to throw the whole concept out all together or at least not mention it. I hope that Pilgrim is right and that Jesus is the head of this place but this is a politically correct type of place so much of the time and it can be intimidating I just scratch my head and say am I right?, am I wrong for making a stand against blasphemy or whatever it is? Did I go to far or not far enough?

Wildwood, Dale sr. not only won but he led also. The thing I love about Nascar is the camera shots through the front and back windows, cars bouncing around at 180. I really don't care who wins it is just the beauty of those bright machines and camera angles and the noise.

[40days40years]

EN created that new group acronym calle ICECAP. This is suppose to be a prophetic oriented ministry. Why ICECAP?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_cap

It reminds me when an ex-catholic priest visited my Maranatha and I asked him what group did you belong to and he said something about the Order of Babylon or the Order of the Chaldeans. Ofcourse being my tactful self I started laughing and said you got to be kidding? how could anyone choose a name with Babylon in it? Now I am sure the priests would say something about Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego (a favorite sermon in MCM/EN) or they would talk about the holy men who came to baby Jesus bearing gifts but still, how did they allow that name Babylon to be mentioned as their own?

ICECAP? Ice is beautiful and looks like crystal but it is cold and inhospitable to most life, the best thing about it is when it melts. Anyway I went to the library and I checked out the new: The Chronicles of Narnia / The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe. I saw ICECAP in that movie. I really should tell you to watch it for yourself but there was a witch who called herself a queen and she lived in an ice city/icecap. She kept Narnia icebound for over 100 years. Talking wolves were her servants. Again how did the name ICECAP get approval from EN leadership?

[40days40years]

Anyway go rent that movie. Especially EN leaders.

[40days40years]

Oh and one more request? Please do not bunny trail this thread up with just normal chat room drivel. All of the people who have posted on this thread have done an excellent job posting, thanks.

[ginger1]

40/40.
The problem is that EN go to the extreme right so people tend to go to the extreme left. Instead of looking at what the bible say and find the balance of it.
Judgement and Cursed are two different thing. Judgement has a purpose, I rather have God's judgement in my life than cursed of God. Judgement has a lot of purposes, it can try to get your attention or things need to be corrected. For repentance or For His glory. or For one's maturity.
Cursed has almost no purpose at all.

[ginger1]

Here is another thing to think about. To say that God does not send His judgement any longer is not true.
John 3 :16. For God so loved the world that He is willing and able to Send His ONLY Son...
If God can and willing to Send His ONLY Son , whom God love so much to the cross what makes us think that He is NOT willing to sacrifice us for His Purposes ?
Remember our souls are saved thats what counts. Not physical death.

[j2theperson]

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40/40: Calling the chits in Hatter? See the ironic thing is that if your friends do not respond then that kind of establishes the fact that you are the leader (irony). Whatever you should be proud because your highly respected here.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
Just because a person is respected by a group of people does not mean they are the leader of that group of people. And if his friends refuse to post here, it does not, in any way, prove that he is their leader. The most one could infer would be that his friends care about him enough to respect his wishes in regards to a discussion thread he finds personally embarassing.

For what it's worth, I have never felt like Matt or anyone else is the leader of this discussion forum. On occassion, I felt like PhilipRosenthal tried to take on that role, but he was never successful and now he doesn't even post here very often.

[j2theperson]

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Ginger: The problem is that EN go to the extreme right so people tend to go to the extreme left. Instead of looking at what the bible say and find the balance of it.
Judgement and Cursed are two different thing.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
I have been following and posting in the thread in which the subject of God's judgement (http://www.factnet.org/discus/messages/3/24605.html?1165643807) came up, and I think you are mischaracterizing the other people's opinions as being "to the extreme left". I don't remember anyone actually disagreeing that God can judge humans. Rather, some posters did not agree with your belief that God would punish the children of a wrongdoer as opposed to punishing the wrongdoer himself. Some posters also were not convinced that the illnesses and deaths you believe were God's judgement on EN leaders were, in fact, caused by God and not by some purely natural source.

I don't think it is right for you to mischaracterize other people's opinions when they don't agree with you. The truth of the matter is, the posters who disagreed with you have not swung "to the extreme left" since they left EN. I think I could be considered a conservative liberatarian. If I recall correctly, LabLady once characterized herself as a Republitarian. I don't know exactly what Dust's or Sameo's beliefs are, but neither of them come across as being particularly liberal or unorthodox. Under no circumstances could we be considered "to the extreme left", and again I must say I think it was wrong for you to characterize us as such.
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Ginger: Here is another thing to think about. To say that God does not send His judgement any longer is not true.
John 3:16. For God so loved the world that He is willing and able to Send His ONLY Son...
If God can and willing to Send His ONLY Son , whom God love so much to the cross what makes us think that He is NOT willing to sacrifice us for His Purposes ?<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
I think you're taking this verse completely out of context and twisting it to prove what you want it to prove.

Interestingly enough, although John 3:16 doesn't say anything about "judgement", John 3:17-21 talks about it quite a bit:
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"For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him. He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil. For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. But he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God."<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
I take away from that passage that men are judged as individuals and they are judged by their own individual choices. Also, I don't know anything about the original language this passage was written in, but reading it now in English, it seems to me that the judgement is a passive judgement--God is not actively striking down those who reject him, rather the men who reject Him are simply experiences the result of their own bad choice. The most God seems to do is show that their choices are bad. Nowhere in this passage do I see anything that could even remotely make me think that God would strike down an innocent child simply because the parent was ungodly.

[maranatha1984]

40/40This fellow called Tik might qualify but he is rarely around. I think the answer is obvious, our new MCM/MSI/EN leader on factnet is Matt Hatter, prince of Auburn

Tikie: I understand that Matt is starting a group called the order of the Dill Seed and that he is giving out charm bracelets to those who donate $ 10k to the Matt Hatter Foundation

[maranatha1984]

Matt:For anyone who has enjoyed conversing with me over my time on factnet, I humbly ask that you don't post on this thread. Thank you friends.

Tikie: Consider this thread dead from my perspective.

Tikie the absentee LandLord

[40days40years]

Well to clarify Pilgrim made an excellent point earlier but I will get back to that later in another post hopefully. The word LEADER has always been a HUGE word when it comes to MCM/MSI/EN though, hence the use of dung heap, man I am giving to much of this away for now.

Ginger did push your button J-2 and good. You are politically conservative for sure, don't know to many beauties who have a Drudge fetish though. Matt Drudge has mellowed a few years a go he was extremely caustic on his Drudge radio show before fame mellowed him but enough of that. Lab may be repub but her religion is to the left though. Right and left may not be good terms for this debate but Ginger is right in that when it comes to religion people here do go the liberal route and downplay judgement.

If a bully cornered you and said who is the "unofficial" leader of EN factnet site?, name one NAME! - You would squeek out Hatter I thought about that scenario today and that is what I would do. I think Dilly, and Lab and Miltie and others view Hatter as an unofficial leader I just used "official" to be sarcastic but I do think the idea of official and unofficial leaders is important with this group especially EN. What else would you call him?, you know I don't think my crime is so egregious I called him a respected leader I on the other hand am addressed as scum on the side of a tub just for speaking truth. Okay a leader does dole out judgement right? H'mmm I remember Hatter confronting JBK, Bill Mack, myself and Phillip R for being a little controlling. That is not exactly wall flower behaviour but to be fair I view Hatter as a benign "unofficial" leader, kind of like a benign midevil King in a Mels Brooks movie sitting on a throne laughing with three jokers in front of him clutching a roasted Turkey drumstick for dear life and when told by a squire the theologians are here to see you your majesty? He would say oh druthers, tell them I'm busy, tell them to come back in two weeks.

Oh I am mad at the Dilly seed order for not supporting me in my crusade for religous purity. Tell them I might give next year if the RNC does not get to me first.

[j2theperson]

Well, 40, if you want to view Hatter as the leader of this board, that's fine by me. I think it's a little wierd, but okay. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif I personally don't feel like I'm being led; I feel very much the equal of anyone here.

I do like your image of Hatter though as the king in the Mel Brooks movie. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/lol.gif

And, I bet there are lots of hott babes who have a Drudge fetish. Off the top of my head I can already think of me, Ann Coulter, and a couple of the women post over at DrudgeForum.com. They're all my competition and must be eliminated. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/angry.gif http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/lol.gif

[pilgrim]

j2theperson,

You said, I personally don't feel like I'm being led; I feel very much the equal of anyone here.

So do I and I only feel led by the Holy Spirit.http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

[mdillon]

I think Dilly, and Lab and Miltie and others view Hatter as an unofficial leader

It is not good to play the Factnet Drinking Game at home alone.

dilly

[flo1151]

Mzflo and Jesus are my only leaders

[40days40years]

Well Flo talking about leaders in the home. I heard a story where a man said I make all the most important decisions in my home about things like, politics, national defense, foreign policy, tax policies.... My wife is in charge of the less important things like where we live, where we go on vacation, what we eat.....etc.

And yeah Jesus is suppose to be the leader and he said a leader is a servant but when you think of folks that have participated in running this thing? servant is not the thing that comes to my mind first. You know that Jesus said don't call anyone leader but that was not and is not the MCM/MSI/EN style. Heck they put leader into their most important functions names. Maranatha Leadership Training Seminar, Victory Leadership Incorporated oops I meant Institute, uhhh whatever the last word was it starts with an I. EN loves the word Leader, Leadership Board.

J-2 beat those female competitors at Drudge into submission, Palos Verdes gave you valuable training you know.

Dilly I would rather play that game then the crying game.

JBK, you said on the Ray thread that I don't trust leaders and tend to not give them the benefit of the doubt. Yeah, that is true in Maranatha normal members were kept in the dark about almost everything and you would almost have to beg to get info about something that concerned you personally. Now, many years later Wisedove went to a large EN church and she did not even know her church had already left EN? Now you say to me that I should trust leaders affiliated with this group to tell people the whole truth? This is a need to know culture, heck half of the lower leaders have got to come here to find out anything about their own movement EN. Please think about that.

[40days40years]

EN trips to Israel, only leaders need apply? You know maybe some normal congregation member would like to go to Israel? I know this is a shocking concept though.

[freedom43]

Just catching up. I would rather not post on this thread -- but I have to ask the question. What is the pupose of this thread? Why is it so important for you 40/40 to identify a "leader?" It seems absurd to me -- unless you are just trying to stir up cast (as Miltie would say). Are you trying to say a leader will be judged or are you projecting your MCM baggage on the board/into cyberspace? Do you want to be the leader? Are you still waiting for Joe Smith's prophecy's to come true? ; )

I truly just don't get it. There is no leader here. It's mob rule -- and I use the word "rule" loosely - -and "mob" lovingly.

[40days40years]

Hi freedom43 I am still holding on to my Joe Smith word but have decided to reject the Rusty R. stuff since I think it applied more to Bob and other EN leaders. I am not stirring the pile, just looking for a pony. I appreciate your earlier apology where you compared me to your brother. I did get a good laugh though when I read about him on the ritual satanic abuse thread and that your brother had problems and was put on psychotropic medication to think clearer. He should be posting here he could be a valuable member here. Ohh and I cannot be the leader since I was not in leadership but I guess I am the leader of this thread. It appears I am being shunned though I thought of contacting Steve Murrel and asking him to contact his old friends and appeal to their friendship to put an end to this barbaric practice.

You did bring up mob rule, that is intersting because blueboy brought up Mafia bosses on the WOF thread on thursday and I was even earlier in the week thinking about comparing this movement to the Sopranos, heck even Big Tommy referred to EN as a mafia family and as we all know that whole thing revolves around being a LEADER, perceived and otherwise. More jewels of info will shortly follow.

So you think this thread is absurd why would you say that?

[freedom43]

40/40 -- I have/had four brothers. (One is desceased.) One had some mental health issues. I was mostly trying to see if there was a way to get through to that person. My brother's issues were mild compared to that person.

Anyway, it was another brother that reminded me of you. Peace.

[40days40years]

This baby is out of moth balls. Back by popular demand. There was a good reason to create this in the first place and there is a good reason to refurbish the eneterprise. Captain I will defend her and repel those who have nice blogs but speak evil.

I may have some goodies to talk about here. If you pity me don't read, talk about birds or something.

[osakadan]

I noticed some bluebirds fluttering away in the garden.

[40days40years]

bluebirds are fine but cuckoos are some of the most detestable birds of nature ones you would never as a christian name your self after, more on that later friend. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

[dust]

Please take your shoot out to the nest. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/FactLogoSmall.gifhttp://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/crazy.gifhttp://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/blush.gifhttp://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/crazy.gif

[40days40years]

They don't want me at the nest.

[40days40years]

Hey if your in EN do you think Steve Murrel really runs it or do you think it is Rice or is it the board that runs things now? Is the board legit or is is compromised? Some folks at EN complain that going there they feel like this (http://www.nimserv.com/images/Cat_vs_Fish.jpg). Other important sources about this thing can be found here (http://www.factnet.org/discus/messages/3/29615.html?1173788992).