Every Nation Crazy Quotes and Pet Peeves

[billyrocker]

Ok I would love to hear some of the crazy quotes you have heard "pastors" or "leaders" in Every Nation say to you or pet peeves you've come across, they can be from messages or just talking and hanging out with people in the everyday EN settings.

I'll start it up with some of my favorite quotes and then shoot into some pet peeves...

"Spiritual family is thicker than blood"

"You will call me Pastor Tony! not Tony!"

"I'd take a bullet for my pastor"

"Well champ I think you're missing it"

"Champ they left over a girl"

"Champ this is a leader building church" <font color="ff0000">(as to say no looser allowed)</font>

"Champ you just need to die to your self"

"Champ you just need to serve this man's vision and God will bless you with you're own one day"

"I don't think you should nit your heart with people of a different mindset"

"Oh yeah way to go faith"

"Sorry Champ can't hang out tonight I got a meeting"

"Sorry faith can't talk right now I'm in a meeting"

"Being a Pastor is harder than what you do" <font color="ff0000">(as to say waking up at 5am everyday and going to work busting your a$$ is easy when they wake up at 10am give some shout out's to God go on campus for an hour have lunch, meet with one person or two and then go dinner and the movies with people" Damn that's a hard life)</font>

"You just need to submit to your leaders faith"

"I've got a word for her"

"I'd really like to see you step it up and move into a men's house"

"You need to pay a levitical tithe" <font color="ff0000">I dont' even know where to begin with this one and how stupid this was</font>

"We should bless Tony and moe his lawn every weekend"

"Sorry can't hang out I'm baby sitting for the Fetchel's"

"Oh yeah yeah strong Faith"

"So can you run the lighting at our conference?" Ok great faith just turn in your $150 dollar registration fee for the conference and I'll get you on the list and you'll be doing that all weekend" <font color="ff0000">So let me get this straight I get to pay $150 bucks to work all weekend and not hang with any of my friends...oh yeah yeah strong faith I just need to die to me self</font>

"If what happened at ENPV happen's again to you in this new church then shame on you"

"On paper this new church is not a part of EN but relationally it will still be a part of EN"

"I need you to play on Sunday at church"

"Well I guess I see where your heart really is"

"I'll be there on time"

"I don't need to set up or break down, I'm part of leadership"

"I think God is calling you into the full time minsitry"

"I rebuke the spirit of Jezibel" <font color="ff0000">usually that was at prayer meetings when someone was screaming it at the top of their lungs. I always wondered about prayer meetings, why are we yelling at God? Are we even allowed to tell God what he's going to do for us?</font>

"You need to reading your bible and praying every day for an hour each"

"Oh no I didn't read my bible today!!!"

[billyrocker]

PET PEEVES

Having to clean Leo Lawson's house while his son sat there on the couch drinking lemonade and watching college football.

The way Pastor Leo Never knew who I was even though I had been going to EN for 7 years.

The way people would talk to you but you could tell that they were never listening and they were looking for someone more important to talk to.

The way people who never new anything about anything that were put in charge of projects and then spent the whole time telling you how things should be done.

The way people would always be late to stuff.

The way people would steal my stuff (q-tips, food, soap, towels etc.) when I lived in a men's house and then say "Oh it's alright faith" (I almost got in a fist fight with one of my room mates over this)

The way that we would yell and scream at prayer meetings and start yelling at Jesus the whole time.

The way that people were so pompous in praise band.

The way people would look at pastors as Gods.

The way grad school people thought they were all high and mighty. <font color="ff0000">( I delivered a bed for two of the grad school people. That day we were doing masive remodeling of my house; pulling out a chimny that was huge. I took time to drive to torrance to pick up everything and drop it off in Long Beach. I got to the apartments where the guys were staying and I unloaded the bed myself as they watched. Then one said "So faith you gonna take that upstairs?" I looked at him chuckled and said "You must be out of your damn mind, I'm removing a chimny from my house today you can take your own stupid beds upstairs." Then I jumped in my truck and rolled out. Leaving the 2 grad school students and their beds on the curb.)</font>

This is good for now...let me know your interesting quotes and pet peeves...

[ulyankee]

"On paper this new church is not a part of EN but relationally it will still be a part of EN."

WAAAT???? Can you say which church this was?????

Or is?

Phil B's new church?

Also, did you hear this one... "delayed obedience is really disobedience?"

or

"Obedience to God is supporting your pastor's dreams and visions?"

[billyrocker]

<font color="ff0000">"On paper this new church is not a part of EN but relationally it will still be a part of EN."</font>

Ulyankee what's your email I want to talk to you private about this one...

[jayhernandez]

One thing I always heard was that "people are looking for a relationship".

I always responded with "Poeple are looking for God and just don't know it!".

I always heard that "it'll just be the guys tonight, nothing about religion- we need to build relationships first!"

[speakword2004]

"The Barnabus lovers" - response to people's criticism of his sermon by an EN pastor who said this apostle missed his destiny because he disagreed with St.Paul.

"Don't rate the sermon - listen to the spirit behind it instead."

"Planting a church is like building a breeding herd of cattle."

[chmuscoalition]

Billy,

I knew Leo Lawson when he was a campus pastor at University of Houston. His sons were both young at the time. Whatever became of his family?

[speakword2004]

"The Barnabus lovers" - response to people's criticism of his sermon by an EN pastor who said this apostle missed his destiny because he disagreed with St.Paul.

"Don't rate the sermon - listen to the spirit behind it instead."

"Planting a church is like building a breeding herd of cattle."

[billyrocker]

Chumscoalition,

I'm not sure exactly...I know the older one tried to be student body president at either UCLA or El Camino College and the younger one last I heard was going to Penninsula High School.

At the time of my going to Leo's House to clean it and he was sitting on the couch he was about 16 or 17 years old. He played football and he had a plenty strong back to clean his own house. I even asked him to help us and he just said "oh faith I have a meeting in 20 minutes" and I said "ok help us for 20 minutes don't be lazy" and he said "oh faith I'm just going to sit here" and after that I walked out and swore to my self that I would never come over and help clean another pastor's house every again....

Now don't get me wrong they are both nice well mannored kids but I just wanted to kick the younger one in the butt for being a butt.

[lc_20]

Quotes from pastors/leaders:

"I am clean"

"Love covers all"

"Don't touch God's annointed"

"I was as righteous as Job through my trials"

"Are you still sick"

"You are not receiving our prayers"

"It is your turn to serve today"

"Can you watch my kids"
"No? They will be so dissapointed"

"You don't need your own house. Sell it and use the money for the mission field"

"You have a problem with money"

"God's best for me"

"I have to work with Christians every day that I didn't disciple. I don't like it"

"Who is your pastor?"

"You have a problem with submission"

"issues"

(had to delete the worst of it.. didn't have the guts to post the crude personal questions)

(Message edited by lc_20 on May 06, 2006)

[billyrocker]

Oh man I just remember a real winner!!!!

Ok so we are in church at ENPV and everything with Tony Fetchel and Phil has gone down and needless to say everyone is on edge about listening to leaders and submitting to spiritual authoritly and all and this goober gets up on stage and talks about some church that he is starting in some country (Sorry I can't remember who and where, it turns out that I don't really remember 5 minutes ago let alone 5 months ago; its all the beef hormones and florecent lights) Overall its a good story about how they are helping the surrounding community and what have you.

Well all of a sudden he says something to the effect of:

"When Pastor Steve Murrell asked me if I would help start this church all I said was Yes Sir I'll go anywhere you want" and then he said "And that is the way that you all should be, you should listen to your pastors and do what they say because they hear from God and you should listen without question don't question just go."

Now at this point you could hear a pin drop it was so silent. I looked at my friends and was like "is this guy for real...what planet is is guy from?" Now the crazy thing was he was at ENPV for the last 6 months getting training and everything and he saw what happened with Tony and Phil but he still didn't have 2 cents worth of common sense to realize that no body wants to listen to any pastor right now....

Jees Luis what is wrong with people???

Oh well just thought that story was funny...

[lc_20]

billrocker, At a retreat once, they introduced a new leader and had us all get on our knees to accept their authority while they prayed for us. A few years later (guess we hadn't submitted enough), they set up a feet washing cerimony where we were to wash this leaders feet as an act of submission to their authority. I must have been completely insane by then... Thank God we are out!!

[40days40years]

These guys are truelly amazing. They reverse everything, if they were copying Jesus the leader would wash your feet.

[40days40years]

I had a lot of pet peeves but the banshee yell had to be right up near the top. Everyone screaming to God like maniacs on command, it terrifies visitors I wonder what God thinks about that one.

At MLTS it was very tiring having to get out of your chair every fifteen minutes to give God a cheer. It was literally being like a dog being told to sit, get up, sit, get up, sit all day long for three days non stop.

[billyrocker]

Yikes Lc_20 now that's nutty...

(anouncers voice) What will these wacky EN Leaders think of next?

[billyrocker]

oh I thought of another one...

So after all this Tony Fetchel Phil Bonasso thing goes down I jet out to Oregon to see my buddy play for the Oregon State Beavers. I decide to hang out with some EN people up there that I knew already. As we were driving to where we were going to hang out I asked my friend from Oregon EN whatever church...

BR(billyrocker): "so you sing in the praise band huh?"

ENG (Every Nation Girl): "yeah its a lot of fun"

BR: "you guys do any songs that you wrote or songs you really like to sing?"

ENG: "well Our worship leader picks all the songs"

BR: "Oh yeah?, well don't you have ANY say in what you guys do or sing?"

ENG: "We we as a praise band believe that our worship leader hears from God and has the authority to pick the songs that we sing on sunday."

BR: "Is that a fact? Well let me let you in on a little secret, there are a lot of people in Every Nation/Morning Star whatever it be, that do a lot of crazy things under the word "authority" and not all of it is right. And I think that if you are a member of your praise band that you have every right and can hear just as good from God about the songs that you all can sing."

ENG: (Silence)

And that's pretty much how that went down. ENG looked at me like I had made the biggest mistake in my life talking about the "leaders" like that.

Pretty kooky if you ask me...

[ulyankee]

interesting billyrocker, back in the day there was someone here from that church defending it as healthy...

[j2theperson]

***"Champ they left over a girl"***

What on earth does that mean?

My favorite quote: "If Pastor Jed [Walker] came to us with a body and said 'I need you to hide this' we'd do it no questions asked."

Yes, it was said in jest, but even at the time it troubled me, and now that I'm out I'm even more disturbed by it.

[bill_mack]

NOLR apostate Bruce Harpel

Favorite Quotes:

1) Regarding an unusual heretical comment:

"Oh, that was just a brain fart" (tell that to God on judgment day Harpel. See if He buys it!)

2) To keep his captive congregants continually crippled and setting a foundation for more NOLR heresies that were no sipposed to be questioned, Harpel would repeatedly state:

"We're all just Bozos on a bus." (even though Christians are "more than conquerers" in Christ Jesus, or is that just reserved for you and your doomed false "apostle" Carl Donald Pfotenhauer, "apostle" Jim McCracken, "Apostle" John Steele or any number of neoplatonic sorcerers such as Johnathan Bislew, Grant Busse, Parnell Mahoney, Kathy James, Tom May, Winkey Pratney, Vaughn Clark, C. Peter Wagner, Bob Whitsel, whom you said died but is still alive in Indiana!)

3) To keep his congregants off the track from finding out Maranatha is really part of the New Order of the Latter Rain and to let everyone know they can ascend to apostlehood, during one service (to satan) Harpel, after we sung the usual triumphant music and heard Dean Bonde prophesie while playing his synthesizer, Harpel says to everybody,

"Stand up to the person next to you and tell them, "You're an apostle." "

Then, right after the service, I immediately went into Harpel's office/cubicle where he lures little kids with candy treats, "What do you mean by having everyone tell the person next to him, "You're an apostle"???

Harpel responds,

"Don't worry about it, An apostle isn't anything" (If so, then why do you give such glowing introductions for "Apostle" Don Pfotenhauer who flew to Rome with Derek Prince, Bob Mumford, Don Basham, John "Ern" Baxter and Charles Simpson to covenant with the Pope who used Freemason and Cardinal John Suenans to head up the Roman Catholic Ecumenical movement? Why Harpel? Cat got your tongue maybe? Could it be you are really part of a Freemasonic cult whose express purpose is to take over the God's Church and force everyone to covenant with the Many-Membered Antichrist???

4) Before NOLR translocal "Apostle" John and July Steele come from New Zealand to give Minneapolis Maranatha a session of fortune-telling, I question Harpel about a 1983 encounter I had with NOLR apostate Royal DeWayne Cronquist -- an "Apostle" in "The Walk" started by John Robert Stevens. Harpel fully acknowledged he knew who Royal Cronquist was, but he replied,

"I wouldn't worry about Royal Cronquist. He's just a silly old man."

Further research proved that this "silly old man" had laid hands and prophesied over Bob Weiner, the founder of Maranatha. Without question, for one to gain a full understanding of Maranatha, you need to learn that Royal Cronquist was a major leader in a very deady cult known as "The Walk." This NOLR cult fully embraced the Many-Membered Manchild aka the Manifest Sons of God doctrine taken DIRECTLY from the Rosicrucian prophetic declarations of Jane Leade.

BOTTOM LINE

Once you gain a basic understanding of who Jane Leade and her Philadelphian Society, you can then understand the seemingly bizarre teachings that were promoted in early Maranatha and then on toward the current Every Nation Churches.

Jim Laffoon's heretical statements are now understandable (not biblical, but understandable) in light of the Philadelphian Society source.

Further, the entire New Order of the Latter Rain can be understood in context of who, what and why the Philadelphian Society was. All it takes is a small amount of Christians to understand this.

--Bill

[ginger1]

billyrocker,
just wondering, do you think PV church will survive ? I mean almost everybody have left that church , people are moving to Nashville, then now, they are laying off people left and right .. do you think that church will last ?

[ulyankee]

"On paper this new church is not a part of EN but relationally it will still be a part of EN."

Here's my theory why. If a church wants to establish a ministry/group on a college campus, most campuses at least in the US require that they reveal their national affilation. If that church is technically not part of EN, then there's no national affiliation to report. It's a way to get EN on those campuses without having to reveal who they're really "relationally affiliated" with.

I'm sure it would also help in attracting non-college members without having to risk that they'll do a Google search on Every Nation, see some of the questionable stuff posted online, and stay away.

Can someone say how this demonstrates repentance and reform...?

[upcase20]

I doubt if any new members do research on this church before joining. Once in they probably just stay dumbfounded until they work up enough courage to leave, which may not as easy as it sounds.

[j2theperson]

***I doubt if any new members do research on this church before joining. Once in they probably just stay dumbfounded until they work up enough courage to leave, which may not as easy as it sounds.***

I didn't "research" it, but I did run some google searches when I was first considering joining. I guess I didn't type in the right search terms or something, because I didn't find anything that rose any red flags. This was back in 2001, so maybe there wasn't so much information out there. As I recall, my search on Morning Star International turned up various official MSI sites as well as sites for some sort of financial organization. I also searched Jim Laffoon, thinking that if he was a false prophet there would be people out there who would be writing against him, but he wasn't well known enough to get a lot of attention. I searched Phil Bonasso, but, again, he wasn't well known enough to be noticed outside MSI.

If I had searched "Morning Star" and "cult" I would have turned something up, but it absolutely never occured to me that MSI could have been considered a cult.

[for_christ]

Here are some of my favorites...

"Fake it til you make it." (Yeah, This one worked out pretty well for tony. i'm sure god really honors this one. so if you dont end up makin it... then your just a fake)

"God is telling me that you need to lay it down." (In reference to a couple that the leaders did not want to be together any more. For those of you who don't know, lay it down is EN's terminology for "taking a break" and it's their evil plot to break up a couple.)

"That's the devil putting resistance on your heart."

"Your feet will touch all six continents." (Anyone heard that one in their prophecy?)

(Message edited by for christ on May 07, 2006)

[speakword2004]

That is seriously Penguinist!

What about Antartica? I would want my feet to touch that continent as well. I'm told it's beautiful. Also, "March of the Penguins" was a very popular movie with US Christians last year. Penguins would make great EN converts. They all dress smartly.

Also what an oppurtunity to reach many different nations at all the stations based on that continent. I say: "Every Penguin in our Generation!"

[speakword2004]

OFFICIAL STATEMENT BY THE PENGUINISTA LIBERATION FRONT

Whilst we are deeply saddened to note that our glorious continent continues to be ignored amongst the general populace of the United States, we nevertheless would like to remind people that our lovely continent has experienced various invasions over the last century led by certain agents of imperialism such as Scott, Shackleton, Hillary, Amundsen and even that traitor to the family: Admiral Byrd of the US Navy in 1926.

We are therefore heartened to hear that one of the more active American expansionist groups has excluded us from their plans. The Penguinista Liberation Front continues to encourage all our supporters to lobby for freedom and tolerance towards all penguins, especially our POWS who remain incarcerated in many US detention centres known as Zoos.

[j2theperson]

Speakword, you crack me up http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

***We are therefore heartened to hear that one of the more active American expansionist groups has excluded us from their plans.***

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/lol.gif http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/lol.gif

[speakword2004]

Urgent Communique of the PLF-A

The Penguinista Liberation Front Army or PLF-A would like to refute all the propaganda made regarding our field agents as depicted in the recent movies "Madagascar" and "The Wild" as well as other mediums such as the internet at PLFA discussion boards such as Flocknet and other fishy blogs.

We would ask all PLFA members to refrain from looking at this material at once.

Furthermore, this type of sociological indoctrination, now so widespread in the USA and other countries, has led us to compile our own indoctrination tool: The Black and White Book.

All members of the PLFA are required to complete a full study of the Black and White Book. Even penguins who have been members of the PLF-A for some time or even those who were members of our predecessor the Penguin Freedom Party (PFP). Members of the PFP did study a very similar booklet called "Firm Foundations for Avian Freedom Fighters" which I believe had a red cover at one time.

All officers are also asked to make sure that The Black and White Book is constantly promoted to the ranks. Please do not allow anyone to photocopy the book. All members and potential recruits are required to purchase their own copies. "Free copies" will only be distributed at recruitment campaigns on the ice shelf only by our offical marching band: The Diveboys

[ulyankee]

Speak, rotflol!!!!!!

for christ, "fake it till you make it?" Wow, who stole that one from 12 steppers?? 'Cause that's where that came from.

It would be really interesting to see what the original source of some of these ENisms are... b/c as far as I know, none are in the Bible!!

Like "delayed obedience is really disobedience--" came from an early 60s book by the Navigators--at that time they too were into Shepherding.

j2, stuff didn't start showing up on the internet until 2003-2004. What little was out there was generally about Maranatha, not MSI/EN. There were I think two websites more specifically about MSI/EN in early 2004 when I came out. More came up if you searched for specific leaders or started adding more keywords. But if you just did a simple search for MSI, you're right, not much came up until 2004 or so, except for official sites and/or totally unrelated sites.

(Message edited by ulyankee on May 08, 2006)

[speakword2004]

Official Communique of the PLFA-SG

The PLFA-SG (Splinter Group) would urgently encourage all its comrades to understand that whilst we are no longer officially part of the PLF or the PLF-A we will continue to encourage our members to attend PENLI. (the Penguin Nation Liberation Institute)
No penguin can attain officer rank without full course completion. Existing officers are exempted from PENLI, and even though many of them have never had any formal training at any authentic liberation institute, they have on-the-job experience and are liberationally far ahead of any of you. Many of our more senior officers were also stalwarts of the Penguin Freedom Party (PFP). The PFP conducted its own centralised training (and even though we never mention the PFP and its founder, Bobsled Briner, many have commented that we are very similar in our leadership styles.

[speakword2004]

PLFA Newsletter

Soldiers of the PLFA: These are to be written in the back of your Black and White Books together with other great quotes from your officers:

Remember Penguins swim like other birds fly!

Penguins are Birds!

The only time penguins are airborn is when they leap out of the water. (make sure you have covering when out in the water.)

Once a penguin finds a mate, they usually stay together for years -- for as long as they have chicks (we are a multi-generational organisation with a multi-generational vision)

Penguins don't jump, they BOUNCE! (we are special)

Penguins have thick layers of feathers and Blubber (you can't isolate a penguin, but you can insulate a penguin).

Peguins are found in groups!

[speakword2004]

Further Notes on Penguinship

Remember the Black and White Book is an important Penguinship tool. Another pillar of our penguinship is PENLI as well as Sunday flock meetings.

Sunday Flock meetings are particularly important for display. Remember to preen your feathers well. Unpreened penguins are not encouraged to display at the front ranks. The front ranks are reserved for officers anyway.

No penguin is allowed on the main display area except for senior officers and members of the marching band.

Remember that as penguins we communicate by vocalizing and performing physical behaviors called displays. We use many vocal and visual displays to communicate nesting territories, mating information, nest relief rituals, partner and chick recognition, and defenses against intruders.

At a Sunday display a select few of us, as mentioned above, will be allowed the oppurtunity to make display from the main display area for all to see. Should you wish to make a display in front of a group, we suggest you reserve that for your PLFA cell debriefing on Wednesday or Thurday nights.

Remember that we can all vocalise together but we cannot all display together. Watch the important displays at the Sunday meetings. You need to mimic those in other situations such as Cell debriefings.

Some penguins of the PLFA have been seen sliding on their backs on the ice. Please refrain from such embaressing behavior. Penguins should always frontslide and never backslide.

[speakword2004]

Important Note to Cell Commmanders of the PLF-A

It has come to our attention that certain female cadres have been complaining that there are no senior female leaders of the PLF-A sitting on any of its leadership structures.

We believe these comrades have been swimming in a Leopard seal spirit. Please tell them that we are praying for them. Remember to flee, ignore or shun any spirit of Leopard Seal.

[speakword2004]

From the PLF-A Newdesk. An Emergency Broadcst (use Lilac machine decoders)

Newsflash! An attempted coup d'etat in our capital, Fishville, has meant that we will have to go underground for a few hours to deter any further attempts at destabilisation. We are not falling to pieces here. Repeat! We are all fine and there is no problems whatsoever. Please listen to your officers and obey all instructions . . . rat a tat . . .rat a tat . . .aghhh . . .Leopard seals . . . . ahhh
. . . frontslide for your lives . . .aahhhhhhh!! . . . . . . .

static . . .

Hello Fishville? Are you there Fishville?

Err, Flippilla? Come in Flippilla! . . .
Flipilla, we have a problem . . .

Contact the Flipillaines board, urgently. We are under attack!

[sistersledge]

"He read my mail!"


What does that even mean? If by mail you mean 'correspondence via the postal service or internet' then it's really not that great of a feat to say someone 'read your mail' since that was the purpose in the first place.

I first heard this expression from a woman from the Nashville church (which wasn't the one I was associated with). I thought it was strange because as I mentioned above, it doesn't make any sense. I do believe it was in reference to a prophecy.

The second time I heard this was at my church after a visiting prophetic pastor had given a prophecy for that person. It struck me because I had heard it before. I think I even asked the person - what do you mean by that?

That was my first experience EVER with a prophecy and I would have to conclude that the gentleman was a false prophet. One of the things he told me was that I was in the best and closest "family" I would ever find and to stick with them b/c I would never have such a 'sense of belonging.' I remember thinking the whole thing was a lot like fortune telling and my "prophecy" made me depressed for 2 days afterwards. It wasn't until the following sunday morning when I attended the church that I attend now (which is full of truth and just plain awesomeness) that I was able to see truth through it. I left a few months later. I never had a sense of belonging, in fact, I felt like I didn't belong.

Now I also think that it was definitely a false prophecy because of the heavy heart I had afterwards. I believe it only lifted because I was around the truth of Jesus Christ and was able to rationalize things. What's funny about that is that it took another church to put joy back into my heart. Heh.... What's even funnier is that they had given me a tape of it and when I got home later to listen to it again NONE of my tape players would work. NONE and I had three. I was able to listen to it later at my sisters when I went to feed her cats. But even then I had to rig up the old stereo system and do some tricky wiring. Now I think God just wanted me to throw that crap out and not listen to it.

Ah I remember one of the Pastors saying to me "wow that was great" and me being like "I actually don't really think it was." Then again I never hid my feelings about things.

[speakword2004]

Guys, I am sorry. I just needed to let off some steam today. Time to put oil on the creaky door hinges of my prayer closet.

[lc_20]

Sistersledge,

Welcome. I can't even imaging the face of the pastor when you said "I actually don't really think it was"... Good for you. I have to say that gave me a good laugh. Sounds like you did a better job reading the "prophets" mail than he did of yours.

[upcase20]

j2theperson: Speaking of research, I found Factnet about two years ago when I was doing some research on my old church, long after I had left.
I typed in the name to see if it was still in existence or where they had moved to and all this information on Maranatha/MSI/EN popped up. So I did my research after I left, not before, when I realized none of my questions were getting answers there. Now let's see if I can get this post through.

[strongapostle]

BillyRocker,

Strong Champion! Hehe, it is good to finally meet someone else who went to ENPV and was under the Long Beach Campus Ministry! I have some more Qoutes to add to your List!

" See Champion, You don't want to Be a weak Sauce Christian Like you have been in the Past."

" Champ, Chose you today who you will serve? You Can't serve yourself and God at the Same Time."

" Champ, Ya He left the Church because he wanted to Live in his Life of Sin."

" Strong Faith Strong!"

" Champ, Maybe Morningstar isnt the Church God is Calling you to."

" Come on Faith, I Know you are Believing in a Strong Sister of God!"

" Champion, The reason He fall away because he Never was saved in the First Place."

(My All Time Favorite!) " See Champion, I am the Voice of the Lord in your Life, since you have lead a life of Sin for so long, you need a Man of God in Life to Show you the things of the Lord. You are Called to submit to me as I am your Discipler, that is what discipleship is all about. I am the Voice of God in your Life!"

" So Champion, How is Life? You Been strong Champion? What about that battle with Lust? Come on Champion, This is Pastor Tony, How are things really going?"

" Come On Faith, If you are Believing in a Financial Break through, you should Tithe More of your Income!"

" See Faith, Pastor Phil go that New Denali because he is serving the Will of God!" (Yes, with New 22 custom tires to boot!)

Ahh I could go on forever. Wow, I understand that a lot of people have been through this, but I do Hold a Specail Place in my Heart for anyone that was Under direct Leader Ship of Tony and Phil like I was. Understand coming from the Heart of Madness is something that you later look back on and go, " WoW, Did that really happen!" I can't wait for the Movie to come out! P.S. I stated awhile ago that I was in the Process of a financial Breakthrough and it is upon me as we speak. I have been away from the Board and Praying and fasting for the Lord to Deliever the Prophecy of Wealth that was spoken over my Family Years ago and it is coming to Pass. I ask that you continue to Pray and Intercede of My Behalf to the Lord as we Move Forward in Jesus Name!

[speakword2004]

I am very sorry - it seems that the Californian church was more abusive and controlling than my experiences in this neck of the woods.

[for_christ]

strongapostle

I feel you on the Tony and Phil B stuff.

Another one of my favorites is:
"He/She left the church because he/she wanted to live a life with lower standards."

"You don't want to read your bible 24 hours a day? Well then you must want lower standards. What's the matter, you can't hang with the rest of us?"

[for_christ]

Speakword

I apologize to the PLF, PLF-A, PENLI, and any other penguin-realted associations. How could the prophetic wizards be so unjust as to overlook such a vital part of the earth's ecosystem? There is ministry to be done in Antarctica too. I will make sure to let Big Jim know that his Christian soldiers need to make a serious adjustment. In the future, your prophecy will now say..."your feet will touch all seven continents." And when the poor soul looks confused as to how his feet will reach that oh-so-freezing seventh continent...he will be instructed to have some faith.

[strongapostle]

"Champion, You read your Bible today? You didn't. what is going on Champ, you slipping again? Masturbation, ya Buddy I can discern these things. You know you don't Love the Lord when you are Masturbating. Fatih, if you can't control yourself then how can you truly serve God? Making yourself an unclean vessel is the reason why you are finding it hard to even read your Bible for one Hour a Day. When you are right before the Lord Like I am, these things will become easier. I am your Discipler because I am the Standard of Godliness in your life. Come on Champ, I am believin that the Lord has Delieved you from that, don't be weak sauce like everyone who has fallen away...." -Convo with TF

WoW, Ya, as I can sit here, I probably can recount a million conversations with TF. Wow I learn Discipleship from the strongest of them all! I still don't know how he was able to pull the Affair for so long. We All know his authority and Power he held, but to use it in that way, WoW. I guess all those times I felt bad for the "sin" I committed was just small times stuff. Instead it should have sounded Like this, " Champion Look, even though I know you went and drank friday night, it is ok, Because I had Phil's Daughter bent over in the back office after the Church Prayer Meeting, don't worry about it!" I am thinking that our relationship might of been a little different back then! *smile*

-Strong

(Message edited by strongapostle on May 08, 2006)

(Message edited by strongapostle on May 08, 2006)

[chosen_vessel]

strongapostle

I understand how you feel about the hypocrisy, but I don't think that second paragraph was necessary.

[for_christ]

strongapostle

I have to agree with chosen vessel. Seriously unnecessary. I think we all agree that we can be frank, but that was just bad taste.

[lc_20]

Truth hurts. Sorry for your pain strongapostle.

[lc_20]

The message here is that the standard set for the masses is not kept by the leaders. They can't or won't live to their own standards and when you are tired of trying to be a "christian" and all it involves, finding out that the leaders don't even try is salt in the wound.

[lc_20]

Here is another quote that I remember hearing:

"We weed out the weak"

[40days40years]

strongapostle I know your second paragraph is in poor taste but maybe the obnoxious approach like that is the only hope this ministry has. Like it or not the Bill Mack style seems to get their attention. The nice guy, mealy mouthed, civil approach has not worked in 30 years so what are ya gonna do?

[billyrocker]

Dang there are some pretty interesting quotes here's another one..

"Guard your heart faith"

"Amen or Oh My!"

"Whenever you take a step back there are always 10 people pattin' you on the back saying you're doing the right thing"

"Well I'll stop preaching about faith as soon as you all learn how to get some"

"Are you going to be a leader or a bleeder?"

"I just needed a little stroke of encouragement"

"Father you have called us to be overcomers!"

"Lets us have a spirit of Caleb if there is such a thing"

"Does it get any better than Pastor Jim? I don't even know why I came this morning"

"This is where the rulers of God's heavenly
kingdom come together and get trained"

"Well I don't believe that I have an advisary, well that's probably because you are under the influence of the advisary"




PET PEEVES

"When everyone would run around with the flags during praise and worship"

"When we met at South Torrance High School we would sometimes push the chairs out of the way and have a hoe down!" "yeeeeehhaaaa"

"If a cell phone rang in Bible Study as a joke Tony would demand to have it and he would answer it and ask why aren't you at bible study?"

[40days40years]

PET PEEVES

"When everyone would run around with the flags during praise and worship"

Yeah well they do seem to have a flags of the world fetish that goes back to MCM - MLTS days. I was trying to find that EN picure with flags everywhere. Another pet peeve is the choregraphed girls in long dresses waving the streamers. Maybe that is unfair since I am sure some of the girls enjoy it and you do see it everywhere across the church world. It just seemed to have a feeling of control but in order to pull off people dancing like that it has to be controlled so maybe I am being to picky.

[bill_mack]

"Another pet peeve is the choregraphed girls in long dresses waving the streamers."

What year did you witness this? This is carbon copy of what they do in Bill Hamon's Christian Int'l. Mike Bickle's IHOP, Wimber's Vineyard and other NOLR streams. It boils down to "Davidic Warfare" through dance and choreography and is definately a ritual with a theological background.

Of course, tribal dance warfare goes on 24/7 around the world in numerous cultures.

***********************************
"Champion, You read your Bible today? You didn't. what is going on Champ, you slipping again? Masturbation, ya Buddy I can discern these things. You know you don't Love the Lord when you are Masturbating. Fatih, if you can't control yourself then how can you truly serve God? Making yourself an unclean vessel is the reason why you are finding it hard to even read your Bible for one Hour a Day."
*******************************************
The above quote really reflects the lowest form of mind-manipulation I've heard and I experienced the very same from Johnathan Bislew, the junior minion at Minneapolis Maranatha. Apparently, these people think they can use guilt, sex, thoughts, suggestions in the very same way as priests use these tactics in the confessional.

To Bruce Harpel or Tony Fetchell, either you're reading your Bible or your masturbating. With their fixation on these two acts as it relates to their directives to question congregants, I would be surprised if they masturbated *while* reading their Bible!!!

If their was no other indication that Maranatha/ENC was a mind-control cult, this form of questioning would be a sure indication to any sane person that they are indeed dangerous.

Can you just see yourself driving down the freeway and getting pulled over by a cop for not signaling a lane change? The cop comes up to your car and says,

"Well Champ, you didn't signal your lange change. Were you masturbating again? I'm going to have to give you a ticket for this. Next time, be more spiritual, OK Champ? Signal your lane change and quite being low sauce like everyone else."

Maybe LA cops would do this?

"It just seemed to have a feeling of control but in order to pull off people dancing like that it has to be controlled so maybe I am being to picky."

No, you are not being too picky. You are noticing something that ties directly to the NOLR covert theosophy. If you really want to educate yourself, read a few articles on "Davidic Warfare" and then get a video of one of Rick Joyner's "Davidic Warfare" events led by Don Potter. This is the closest thing you will ever see that reflects Kabbalah/Pythagorean Music Mysticism you will ever witness. They actually draw down demon spirits that manifest themselves in the participants in uncontrollable insane laughter and at the end of one of these sessions after played the Beatles song, "I Wanna Hold Your Hand" there appears a whirlwind. Then, Suzy Mills goes into a trance and physically bobs up and down. These are all demonic "Brownsville" type manifestations. I witnessed these take place while at the Minneapolis Maranatha including one of their conferences which was put together by Maranatha leader Tom May -- a bigtime fan of Rick Joyner along with Bruce Harpel. The level of apostasy here is simply off-the-chart.

[for_christ]

40/40
I don't think the obnoxious approach is the only hope the ministry has. No approach works because "they have eyes but they do not see and ears but they do not hear." In the end, if we are going to outsmart the fox then we need to be wise, not crude.

[strongapostle]

WOW, South Torrance High school! hehe ya I remember those days, awesome! Oh Man, the Good Ole'days, well, maybe not! So, My question is this, I just read the know communique released by Everynation and ya, Phil only has to pay a whopping 22 grand back and even better than that, rice and friends where find to been paid within Church Policy! hummmm, I wonder if they have the same financial information that we have? I think 22grand is an under statment, but I will keep praying to the Lord for his Hand of righteuosness to move.

-Strong

[strongapostle]

I understand everyone's concern of Poor Taste, But I do have one things to say. TRUTH HURTS! and the second Paragraph is NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH! so, if you are offended, then hey,talk to Tony Fetchel, maybe he will give you Better insight *smile*

-Strong

ps. If it wasn't truth, I would have no reason of writing it.

[another_brick_in_the_wall]

Has there been a new communique released?

If so, can someone please post the latest?

Thank you,
Brick-

[40days40years]

for_christ, Yeah your right I lost my senses for a second endorsing the crude approach. Forget about being wise like foxes I am going with a wheel barrow filled with sledge hammers. One I will name Ginger, one I will name Mack attack, the rest I will name later.

[bill_mack]

Hey '40, it's not like I don't have a polite side! It's just that my research showed that there has been over 30 years of "politeness" anf theological etiquette used with these heretics with *NO CHANGES*.

Ps 55:19
"God shall hear, and afflict them, even he [Bob Weiner, Rick Joyner (http://www.jimbakkershow.com/whn/uploaded_images/Rick_Joyner_150pixels_fade-735216.jpg), C. Peter Wagner, Jack Deere, Mike Bickle, Larry Alberts (http://wayofthelordchurch.org/), Don Pfotenhauer, Kevin Springer, Bill Hamon (http://bishophamon.org/), Oral Roberts, Paul Cain, Bob Jones (http://www.prophetic.net/prpix.htm), Reuven Doron, John Paul Jackson (http://www.streamsministries.com/dream_outreach.php)] that abideth of old. Selah. Because they have no changes, therefore they fear not God."

When I read the bible, I see that God has His polite side when dealing with error and people getting off on the wrong track. He also uses heretics like ENC leaders to test to see whether His called out ones will love the truth per II Thess 2:9-14.

Then there is JUDGMENT DAY!! If I cringe at the abuse that MCM/ENC/NOLR leaders use to break college students in their quest for an "Elected Seed" i.e. a large group of young believers to act as a corporate alchemical vessel to recieve the potent "wine of her fornications" in hopes that they will become "overcomers" and enter into immortality by acquiring "supernatural giftings" (like familiar spirits, spirits of divination and sorcery, false miracles, etc.) how much more will God hasten their "Day of the Lord"????

I'm just trying to be polite by bringing them in direct contact with the One whom they claim to be and whose power and authority they are usurping.

They want the "Marriage Supper of the Lamb" don't they? Well, I figure my part should be to bring them before the Person who gives the invitation to the wedding to see if He recognizes these people.

If He doesn't, then they are impostors, right?

--Bill

(Message edited by Bill_Mack on May 11, 2006)

[jayhernandez]

Right!

[40days40years]

Well I agree but I know there are many sincere christians that are in this movement. The leaders are so far below the sheep they Lord over. Which brings me back to Bob Weiner, his personality was indelibly imprinted on Maranatha and then transferred to MSI/EN. There were some who could master talking to Bob in a sane manner it appears but for the most part you had two choices. Kiss his you know what or get a group and smash him in the head with a two by four. His personality was imprinted on most of the top leaders at EN, they have become what they despised. My lips are sore I vote for the two by four and with many two by fours we can liberate a few sheep from the meat packer plant and maybe make a few of these false sheperds sore. The leaders all seem to be celebrating their 50th birthdays or around that on their websites. Wealth, many pretty children, privilege.... They need a true birthday bash!! a bash in the head with truth! History teaches one thing, if your going to fight a strong Hitler better nix the Neville Chamberlain approach. Every strong EN person that drops by here tells us to be civil like Neville Chamberlain and it will all work out. I say build an atom bomb.

[40days40years]

crazy quotes: Where the rubber meets the road.

[coppertree]

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Hi All- Catching up, a little. When ,I as read these and other threads after, my math project. ( helps clear things I hope) . As we all wish well and good, I come back to an axiom. There will be only a remnant,those whom remain, not large numbers; but as I read the Word, He closes the day as even the elect... this well may be true in our times, as I see it . Eyes to see, eyes to hear
Thank you Jay.}

[40days40years]

actually it was not Jay I think it was for_christ who quoted Christ: <font color="ff0000">"they have eyes but they do not see and ears but they do not hear."</font> addition, subtraction, multipication and division that is good enuf for me.

I think it was Rice Broocks who always said where the rubber meets the road a bunch of them used that phrase I think it's a southern thang.

[40days40years]

Where the rubber meets the road. What does that mean with these guys? Are they talking about the place where the tire of a new Gulf Stream jet hits the tarmac? I'm serious, yeah it is a joke but????????? Is it part of the vision thing?

[40days40years]

do you have your ducks in a row. I kind of like that one.

[40days40years]

quotes and peeves I think I talked to upcase about this one. Anything about David, Davids mighty men, The fifty, David and Jonathan, David and Saul, O.K David is great but I think these guys wake up without a sermon and say, hmmmmm lets talk about David. Look they should have gone down to a christian bookstore and bought a book on sermons but they were to lazy to even do that. My old apostate boss had a minister friend who kept a few sermons on hand just for such an occasion. More than once in Maranatha the preacher would preach on something he overheard me talking about with a friend in regards to theology. Yeah, it is kind of flattering but still? it means the guy had nothing prepared.

[j2theperson]

I still laugh when I remember the time Leo Lawson presented the NASA-scientists-discover-missing-day (http://www.snopes.com/religion/lostday.htm) urban legend as being evidence of the Bible's infallibility.

[40days40years]

j2, in one startrek episode with Data the entire crew lost several days because aliens put them into some sort of semi coma state to prevent their discovery. Much easier for God to do that then God to stop the earth from rotating or whatever. Leo should have watched that episode.

[40days40years]

I think factnet should have watched that episode also. Home sweet home is back.

[j2theperson]

Hey, 40/40, I remember that episode http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

I watched a movie once years ago (the title of which I cannot remember) in which a man was given god-like powers. In the end, he used his powers to stop the earth from rotating. Inertia caused everything--all the buildings, trees, and people--to keep moving forward after the earth had stopped, and he basically ended up destroying *everything*. It was an interesting idea, and I always think of it whenever I read the passages in the bible about the earth standing still.

As far as Star Trek and EN go, I really think EN members should rewatch all the episodes involving the Borg.

[billyrocker]

Alrighty everyone I've talked to some of my buddies and then reminded me of a few more...


Don't build on another man's foundation.

Can you uhhhhh carry my keyboard around for a couple years???

You have to serve before you can lead.

Oh yeah champ he fell away.

If you are believing for one of your family members to get saved then give that money in faith.

Can you help us move some of the girls for a couple of hours? It will only be a couple of hours.

We're not against dating in this ministry we just believe in biblical courtship.

Yeah do you want to be a chump or a champ, a zero or a hero.

Or what was the big thing about always comparing schedules just so tony could prove to himself that he that he was busier than everyone else and that the whole world needed to revolve around him because he needed his needs met, because he was giving so much, and helping so many people,... he was helping himself to our money, our time, our effort, our minds, and our women.

AND THE NUMBER ONE TONY FETCHEL QUOTE EVER!!!

"I don't have time to control your life. Right now I'm just trying to control my kids.”

[40days40years]

how many kids does he have and can he find them if he tried? Lets call him rabbit Fetchel.

[new_castle]

a few more quotes for your enjoyment:

give till it hurts.

you can't out give God.

prayer meetings are not optional.

rise up faith!

where's your faith at hero?

obey spiritual authority.

champ just listen to a faith tape.

wow, that message was strong where can i get the cd?

champ, have you seen my "confession sheet"?

hero, why didn't you take notes during the message? by not taking notes you are saying that none of the information you heard was worth remembering.

champ, i'm not going to tell you what to do but if you [insert questionable activity here] you won't be excercising wisdom.

press through to see the breakthrough.

you are just one decision away from victory.

it's a new season....

that's kinda rough hero.

faith is a decision.

God has a destiny for you at this church.

God hasn't called you to be poor.

champ, it's not how you start the race it's how you finsh.

hero i lived a pretty wild life back in th BC's...

champ i'm really just believing for big things.

that's not the Lord.

lay down your life.

[ginger1]

40/40 Tony has two kids and one baby so thats three. His wife Jodie just had their baby when he got caught.

[new_castle]

a few more me and the room mates came up with. we are speaking the truth in love.

you are in the flesh right now.

that's the flesh talking.

champ i need you to set up those chairs in excellence.

one of the bonasso girls is running late can you park her car for her.

hero, i need you to save an entire row for your pastor at a crowded movie theatre on opening nite.

how bout that niv bible faith, is that the nearly inspired version? or about the living translation, what is this story time?

champ i think you just need to be more relatable (translates to champ you're not that cool)

we need to take up an offering for this room (the red room at long beach state which cost literally $25 for a club on campus at long beach state)

go ahead and leave those checks blank so we can pay people back who already paid for this room.

let's take up a special offering for our guest speaker.

champ you want to start a 4-12 group?

world partner sunday.... enough said.

"20-10 initiative"

every nation in our generation....(extorting every nation in our generation)

sorry champ this fellowship is for people that live in houses only, sorry you know how these house fellowships go.

champ i know you have class/work/family in town but could you pick up pastor so and so from LAX during rush hour traffic? thanks hero.

champ where were you thursday nite? i didn't see you at prayer? i had homework and couldn't make it. where's your faith?

champ you should really let me know before you leave town.

champ you need to serve the women in this ministry.

coffee is the life blood of a champion!!

champ you need some pastor covering before you can hang out with the sisters.

hero did you and another brother hang out with two girls? that could give people the impression of a double date, and we don't do that in this ministry.

champ you're just bitter.

[new_castle]

pet peeves (wouldn't fit in the other post)

get "important calls" from people with restricted phone numbers that were too important to give their cell phone numbers out to "normal" people.

not getting invited to the "a-list" parties at the pastor's houses.

moving people that you have never met into house that you won't be invited back to for parties.

the fact that only about five men that ever attend the long beach bible study ever graduated from there (or any college for that matter)

getting rebuked for talking to pretty girls.

getting rebuked for hanging out with girls if you were the only guy.

getting rebuked for staying at a girls house past 10pm on a school nite.

going out to eat with the "sisters" after church who would never pay for tax and tip and leave before everyone had paid. (years of picking up the tab and not getting invited back for dessert, champ i'm not bitter)

VIP's getting to park up front and having to make sure that the "B-list" people parked in the far away lot at south high.

not being able to sit in the front b/c i wasn't staff or a pastor's daughter.

helicopter ladies and flags

prayer meetings where the best prayers involved yelling the loudest and quoting the most obscure old testament scriptures(hence any verse with "sword, marching, faith, overcoming".)

if you had a truck you were instantly forced in to service for moving girls (with heavy a$$ oak furniture), band equipment, pa and speakers, and any other task.

if you worked at starbucks you were instantly supplying hook ups to all the pastors.

being referred to as: champ, faith, hero, solider, tower, pillar, mighty warrior, king faith, champion. I HAVE A NAME DAMN IT!!!!

[speakword2004]

What a circus! I

[coppertree]

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Hi New Castle , thank you for the trip down memory lane, when were you in Maranatha?}

[new_castle]

coppertree, i was with the everynation/morningstar cult from summer of 2001 through about december of 2005. i went to the southbay church (i even worked there for about six months) and i was "discipled" by tony fetchel for several years. i was involved with several of the campus ministries but spent most of my time at long beach state. me and some buddies found a slight theraputic healing by going down memory lane thinking of all the cult speak we would say during those days. i am not sure of your past invovlement with ms/en/marantha but i'd be happy to answer any questions you may have about my 5 year stint with the cult.

-new castle

[coppertree]

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Hi New castle, I was in Maranatha, in 1977, in leadership later ( of which I have repentend for and , hurts that I caused)I left about 1989. I heard much of what you said. It is still in my ear. I thought you were from my era , so to speak. We said the same things, or heard them. I wish you healing and much wellness. You are blessed to be free, although a chill goes down my spine, as I write this. The things that you were exposed to, were supposed to have been gone, a long day from when you came. Again, my best to you and your brothers in the Lord. I thank Him for the net and this site, I came here in 05, I have found much healing, I hope you find the same. Your posts will help others still in. Thanks!}

[upcase20]

New_castle and Billyrocker: You forgot my favorites: 1) Don't touch Gods annointed 2)You're not spiritual enough 3)That's too spiritual for you 4)Let's take up a love offering 5)All will be revealed to you in time 6)Let's take up another offering.

[strongapostle]

New_Castle Welcome Brotha, it is funny to see more people from South Bay Pop up *smile* but I get a klick out of reading and posting all the good times with morningstar.

-strong

[j2theperson]

***it is funny to see more people from South Bay Pop up *smile***

All the former South bay EN defectors seem to be from the Longbeach campus group (which is understandable because Tony Fetchel was your pastor). Is there any one out there from the UCLA or USC campuses? All I've heard is that the people from the USC campus stopped going to the Southbay church and have all started attending the EN Valley/Studio City church instead. Needless to say, this somewhat disheartens me because it means they've all chosen to remain within the Every Nation institution. It would cheer me up if I found out even just one or two people from the USC campus group had completely left EN.

[40days40years]

PITY PARTY: in any sentance with any variation.

[jayhernandez]

J2,


There are people I know who have left all together! A couple of guys who were being groomed have now started going to other churches outside of the EN institution. When these guys left most of the boys in the home left as well. Or so I've been told but I know for sure a few have left for good. Some who come here but haven't found it time to start posting thier story. I hear healing and undoing is taking place. It thrills me to see they understand it needs to take place. They have a clue to what it means to undo an follow Christ!

Jay the peacemaker

[j2theperson]

Thank Jay. That makes me feel a lot better http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

[bill_mack]

CRAZY QUOTES

As it relates to Maranatha/ENC crazy quotes, I found that the following articles were very helpful in realizing that language and terminology are used to psychological bind and enslave congregants to false leaders. Fortunately, we can thank the following 3 women for their efforts in exposing mind-control cults:

1) Mary Alice Crapo (Chrnalogar)
2) Carmen Brill (for an Englished translation)
3) Sharon Goldsby

Here are the articles:

“The Language of Enslavement” (http://www.caic.org.au/biblebase/abuse/enslave.htm) in Twisted Scriptures by Mary Alice Chrnalogar

“The ICC Vocabulary” (http://www.somis.org/icc-vA.html) by Sharon Goldsby

“Self-Proclaimed Shepherds: Shepherding / Discipling: Bob Weiner's Maranatha, &amp; Kip McKean's Boston Church of Christ” (http://www.reveal.org/library/thirdparty/haack.html) by Friedrich Wilhelm Haack, August 1988. (translated by Carmen Brill, 2003)

Question: Shouldn't someone write up an article about the terms used by MCM/ENC similar to the one by Sharon Goldsby?


Words are very powerful indeed. They can wound and they can heal. There is a time to use words for both purposes:

Ecc 3:7
“A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;”

[billyrocker]

New Castle...I want to grow up to be just like you man...dude that night was the best night I just wish we would have remembered as many as you came up with after we left...

Peace!!!

billyrocker@gmail.com

P.S.

Just die to your self faith!!

[jayhernandez]

New Castle and Billyrocker,

I think you guys might know my brother and a few people I've met through him. If you guys were part of the Tony Fletchel perade then email me at

mocha_boy_mb@yahoo.com

I need to speak with you- it could be urgent. I'm going on vaction for a few days unitl after the holiday but I'll check in with you if you've emailed me. I've got a few questions for you. It isn't gossip or personal questions. I'm just hoping that since my brother is going back out to Cali to finish college that you might be interested. Until then..

thnx

Jay the peacemaker

[dust]

The Language of Enslavement article is excellent.
Probably had I read it back in 2000, I would have had the warning necessary to back up what I felt from the beginning.

Pointing fingers and making accusations:

Spirit of Lust

Independent Spirit


And, then "She has a JEZEBEL spirit."
I was naive and wasn't sure what this meant, but this was very bad." The face making the claim would get really dark and accusing. I never used this, because the delivery and accusation of this particular pointed finger looked too hateful to me.

He left his disciple. He's not teachable.

You can't go talk with her. You have a different person who disciples you.

You're not allowed to go study the bible with that person. He is not your disciple. You're stepping on toes studying the bible together.

He walked out from under his covering (his discipler).

That person left their spiritual family. They have LOST God's blessing and destiny.

"I don't have the gift of mercy." Quite a few women in leadership are proud of this one.

And, all time favorite, which should be accompanied by a nice stone in hand. "You have no fruit."

The "no fruit" is very common, and anyone may come and talk to you when you begin doubting things or questioning things.
You are accused of "no fruit" to make you feel like you are in great sin because you are testing scripture and getting convicted by the Spirit of Truth. Often when you hear NO FRUIT, the opposite is happening.

And, sadly, the person telling you that you have no fruit really thinks they are doing you a favor, SAVING you from damnation.
And, yet they can't say, "you're in sin, because the NO FRUIT is saved for a time to pull you back into the ministry, when you're walking just fine, but just don't to walk with them.

[upcase20]

NOTE TO IC_20 FROM An Earlier Post: We had the foot washing ceremony at my church too.

[new_castle]

strongapostle- thanks for the welcome. i'm guessing you were also w/ "the movement" at southbay? when were you there?

also dust, i saw your quote:
"That person left their spiritual family. They have LOST God's blessing and destiny. "

i remember a close friend of mine that was asked to leave b/c he had a girlfriend. this girl was a christian but not part of "the movement" and she didn't have the "spiritual covering" and "discipleship" like the rest of the "sisters" did. anywho, his "discipler" told him that he would be missing out on God's purpose and destiny for his life by leaving the church and dating this girl. to make matters worse his room mates (yea he lived in a men's home) were told to not help him move out or talk/call him in the future. he was to be considered "fallen away."}

[bill_mack]

"That person left their spiritual family. They have LOST God's blessing and destiny. "

WOW! This is equivalent of a Catholic priest refusing to give you communion! Also, it is very Cartesian in that it reminds one of the old joke about Rene' DesCartes being asked in a resturant whether he wanted another cup of coffee. He said, "I think not" and instantly vanished!

For anyone to say your destiny in Christ is lost because they left their "family" that was spiritual corrupt actually denies the deity of Christ since Jesus Christ Himself was rejected from His "family" aka the Jews for claiming He was whom the Bible speaks of in Isaiah. Did Jesus "Miss His Destiny" by refusing to submit to corrupt authority and renounce what the Father sent Him to do? He proclaimed liberty to the captives. The Pharisees denied they had bound anyone in captivity. No doubt the Pharisees also believed the sophistry and theosophy that Jesus rebuked them for.

[strongapostle]

I started with En in 2000, fall away came back and fall again, btu finally was asked ever so nicely to "find" a spiritual family somewhere else but Mr. Fetchel in 2003 *smile*

[bill_mack]

So, Tony Fetchell by this time was having an ongoing affair with Phil Bonasso's daughter tells you to go somewhere else because you appeared to him as being too weak to be part of "God's Green Berets"?? Is that what happened?

Did Tony Fetchell think he could ascend to godhood through the NOLR apostolic Royal Bloodline by co-mingling himself sexually with one of the daughters of the ENC Trinity? Is this another ritual of how one becomes an "Apostle" in the NOLR besides having one of their prophets say, "Thus saith the Lord. My son, I've called you to be an apostle to the nations" like they do on a regular basis in the "leadership retreats" they have a couple times a year???

BTW, this is the kind of activity that happens right here in Minnesota with the Latter Rain Minnesota Prophetic Conference (http://rezzchurch.org/rezzpage.php?pageName=mpc_home.html) hosted by "Apostle" Jim Rickard (http://www.rainministries.org/cgi-bin/gx.cgi/AppLogic+FTContentServer?pagename=FaithHighway/10000/4000/676RA/staff1).

[strongapostle]

Yes, it is all true. If I just knew that the Key to the Kingdom was in the Hiding your sin, instead of confusing it to "Hit it in the Church Fetchel" Maybe I would have been asked to move into one of the Mens Home, instead of finding another spiritual Home *smile*

-Strong

[speakword2004]

"I'm looking forward to a good night's sleep on the soil of a friend." —George W. Bush, on visiting Denmark, Washington D.C., June 29, 2005
http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/blbushisms.htm

[claire_messenger]

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/biggrin.gif Sounds like those serpent seed quotes. LOL!

My pet peeve is waiting. Even if I'm not always on time.