Thank You to Ginger

[speakword2004]

Ginger,

I would like to give you a public thank you for all your hard work in passing information on to various such as the Asian Board as well as the authorities such as government agencies. Your work has been wonderful and I appreciate it. I believe that people such as Murrell as others have been moved to act in part due to your efforts.

Keep up the fight.

[matt_hatter]

Ditto from me too Ginger. I hope some of the recent changes with Steve taking over will make some changes. You gotta hope! Steve was a good friend when we were at Auburn and he was at Ms State. He was one of the few 'down to earth' people back then and I can only hope that he has stayed true to his character.

Your diligence over these many months regarding my childhood buddy and his financial antics in California were the posts that kept me reading, and eventually started me posting. So you are to blame for the wild Matt Hatter! ha!

[maranatha1984]

Matt:Steve was a good friend when we were at Auburn and he was at Ms State. He was one of the few 'down to earth' people back then and I can only hope that he has stayed true to his character.

84: Steve MUST take a public stand against the "junk": in the US

[40days40years]

Yeah Ginger good job! I picture one of those little ginger colored pomeranian dogs BITING down hard on the ankles of Phil B, RB and all the other abusers, yapping and growling grrrrrr!

(Message edited by 40days40years on July 05, 2006)

[matt_hatter]

84: Steve MUST take a public stand against the "junk": in the US

It is my sincere prayer that he will. I have to hope there is still that 'something' in him like I saw back in 78. Maybe I am naive, maybe just hopeful...

[john_r_jones]

Ginger your courage in giving truth to many who lurk and post are inspiring. My guess is that the feifdoms will emerge as they did in Maranatha. The leadership has had as an example the accretion of power, save Steve Murrell, for their guide.
John

[40days40years]

Does Steve know this stuff is being posted by his old friends? Is there anyone to tell him? I hope he reads here occasionaly at least.

Ginger what do you think or anyone else?

[dust]

Ginger

I admire your persistence. It's too bad they didin't realize some of the real heros they created, who stand for TRUTH, and are willling to fight with the WORD for God.

Ginger, sometimes I used to think (especially with the money stuff), oh what she is writing just can't be true. I knew there were theological issues, and my husband didn't trust the financial stuff, but I never dreamed anything to this degree.

Its' a shame that the members are STILL in the dark.

[formermaranathapastor]

Ginger- I appreciate all the information, but I most admire the spirit in which it is given.

Thank you

[lc_20]

Hey Ginger, At the risk of giving you a big head, I thought I would throw in my appreciations too. Remember when I first started posting? I was still in MSI/EN and had had several horrible experiences. I found this site because I was searching for information on spiritual abuse (due to one pastor) and I was shocked to see there were others all over the country who had similar experiences as I had had. I remember several heated discussions with you where I defended MSI/EN with everything I had because I absolutely couldn't believe what I was hearing. But you, Brick, Ulyankee, upcase20 and others stayed constant and duked it out with me. You specifically did not pull any punches. I remember the day I sat back and thought why am I defending msi/en when I know these people's experiences are real, I have experienced them myself. My brain was in knots. I had msi/en pastors telling me not to listen to people on the outside or read books on spiritual abuse because they would take me away from the will of God for my life by bringing confusion. But, the bible, the Holy Spirit and my experiences were confirming what you were saying and my ability to defend msi/en in spite of all that was futile. So, in the end, my eyes were opened and I finally got out. It may seem that there is no reward in the verbal abuse you take during these battles over truth. But, I am here to say thank you and hopefully, that is reward enough.

[speakword2004]

IC_20 That's the most powerful statwment I have read here in weeks. Don't get a big head either.

[another_brick_in_the_wall]

Yeah, I gotta provide some props for Ginger too. Ginger, you were the first person I contacted when I made my exodus. You helped me (along with Ulyankee) to understand that I wasn't crazy.

Thank you for having the courage to speak Truth!! With your words and diligence, you surely have allowed God to use you to help these people start seeing past the darkness.

Lc-20, I agree with Speakword's post. Congrats and cheers to you, LC-20!!

[ginger1]

You guys, thank you. But I can't do this without Ulyankee and the rest of you guys. There is a saying, build it and they will come LOL !

All I have is the passion, Ulyankee got the brains for research. Then I love it when Speak speaks with his heart, his passion for Christ. Brick, thank you for the info from Bethel, Matt, thank you for the history. Lc, John , 40/40,FMP,upcase,maranatha1084 and all who gave their testimonies and those who has stop posting like yakapo etc. it has proven that the problem does not only lies in one or two churches, but its definitely across EN america.

I truly want to thank all of you to have the courage to stand up and speak up. That truly help a lot. While most would rather moved on and leave it behind, you guys stayed and confirmed it. I have nothing against people who decided to moved on, but I wished they could have posted and warned other folks out there, that these are Wolves in sheep clothing. And we are supposed to be our Brother's Keeper. Would Jesus have done it ? I believe He would. He did it to the Pharasees. The only problem I have is that sometimes passions overtakes me and I need people like you to give kind words to the people in EN. So thats why I can't post on the other website, sorry Speak. I know myself too much LOL !

My only hope is that People in EN who got hurt , abuse will be able to relate. And come here and post. To update , have they change ? they know we ARE WATCHING !! LOL !

[coppertree]

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Hi Ginger, You a bit modest, I fear. I recall giving you, a little bit about mortgages and how they function how ones qualifies for them, at rates of income, etc. Then YOU brought down the house, so to speak well done! Thank you.}

[former_en_pastor]

Ginger,
Thank you for your great efforts here on FACTnet. You have assisted many in confirming their suspicions so they don't have to wonder whether or not they were crazy. You have confirmed that EN/MSI actually is a corrupt organization that is dysfunctional in so many ways. You and Ulyankee are quite a team. Thanks also to Leghorn.

[ulyankee]

Ginger, to quote a song popular in my teen years, thank you for being a friend. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif You, Big Tommy, and Bill Mack were the first people I contacted as I was coming out of what was then MSI (right before the name change announcement).

I'm kind of embarrassed by all the thanks and accolades though. Mainly b/c I believe the Lord was the one who brought us together and has used us for His purposes. What an unlikely group, mostly of people who in EN's frame of reference at least were a bunch of nobodies - most of us not "champs" or "sharps." And in an unlikely forum that tends to go off into bunny trails. I'm just absolutely amazed by what He has done and is doing, every day.

I am just so grateful, awed and humbled by the fact that people are coming to freedom in Christ through this place. Some rediscovering it, others experiencing it for the first time.

Thank you, all my friends, brothers and sisters, fellow workers in Christ. And may the Lord get all the glory, honor and praise for what He's done for us, and with us!

[speakword2004]

Amen.

Now that we have taken up half the service backslapping each other . . . back to the bunny trail! Yeeeehaaahhh!!
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