Maranatha Oldtimer

[mcmstaff78]

Just wanted to post an introductory thread. I've been reading the messages here for a few days as well as Maranathan1984's blog, and it sure brought up stuff I haven't thought about in a long time.

I was in Maranatha for a brief time from December of '77 to March of '79. I started attending in the middle of my senior year of college at the University of Georgia (no hard feelinsg, '84) and wound up going "full time" in September of '78. Best thing that happened cause that really opened my eyes and I left in March of '79.

Coincidentally, I helped work on the house in Auburn. My recollection is that was the summer of '78 and we had a mini-MLTS there with Winkie Pratney. A bunch of us from Athens went down. Before then, we worked on renovating the house in Gainesville, Florida.

Anyway, in '78 I went full time as one of the "co-pastors" in Murfreesboro, TN with Mark Dillon. The "sister" was Pat somebody, can't remember her last name off the top of my head. We shut that ministry down that December. Mark and Pat headed off in January to be part of the Baton Rouge start-up team. Me? I got sent to Lexington as a "local elder" and the business administrator, handling the money and running the bookstore for the most part. For the life of me I can't remember the couple's name that were pastors there at the time. Funny thing is I really like Lexington and I really liked the guys there. But the pastor was creepy and got, IMO, creepier. Anyway, I wasn't up there long (though it seemed longer at the time) before I had enough (I think the final straw was getting dressed down in front of a bunch of the guys in the "staff house" when we had all gotten back from seeing the "Lord of the Rings" animated movie they made in the late 70s and then being made an example in a message the next service. Sorry, I had been reading Tolkien a long time. Some folks don't appreciate, well if not allegory than at least epic morality tales. Some things *aren't* meant to take litterally. Anyway, I had wound up saving just about every penney I earned outside of my tithes (oh, and offerings) and one night, I just didn't show up for service. I came back to the house, boxed up all my stuff, packed my clothes and spent the night in a motel, having left a note for the pastor. The next day I had a moving company pick up my belongings and headed on back down to Georgia. Pretty much never looked back.

Unfortunately, my experience with MCM was to repeat itself many years later with when I got involved with a WoF Church that started moving into whole pastoral rule, armor bearer, don't critisize the pastor no matter how wrong he might be stuff. Sometimes it really *does* take a long time to learn.

Anyway, that's pretty much it for now. I'll be hanging around and making some comments and/or observations now and then, but just wanted to say "hi".

In Christ,

Jon

PS: If there are any other really old timers like me, especially any from Athens, Lexington or Murfreesboro from that time period, feel free to give me a shout.

[jbkrems]

Hello:

Out of curiosity, what city was the WOF church where you had negative experiences like that?

What and where are you now?

[mcmstaff78]

The WoF church was in the south Metro-Atlanta area.

I'm a 50 year old male, I live in pretty much the same area. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif

[jbkrems]

Oh ok.

Thanks for the information. I'm in Oklahoma City, and I attend a WOF church in Edmond, which is a suburb north of OKC. However, I haven't experienced that kind of "don't touch the anointed" spin down here at my current church

[mcmstaff78]

Well, it pretty much all stemmed out of Tulsa, no? Honestly, I left that church 12 years ago, so some of the names are fuzzy. I forget the guy who wrote "Armor Bearer for God" and then also the guy who wrote a bunch of stuff on serving the pastor, etc., etc. But it all boils down to unquestioning and unflinching loyalty. The problem is, even if this weren't a sick and abusive relational system, loyalty should be a two way street - it just never is with this type.

We had started getting involved with the Kansas City prophets, Paul Cain, Rick Joyner, some guy from Nig

[matt_hatter]

78, welcome, I am sure we came across each other from time to time, as our music group did a few gigs in Athens with Dennis and Mark? Was that his name? It has been an interesting spring and summer, stuff that has been under the radar screen to be brought to light---and I have embraced it and learned an awful lot about myself. Feel free to jump on the bus with us on the bunny trail. It has probably been the best part about all of this. Welcome!


Matt

[wildwood_]

Lexington as in Kentucky or another Lexington? I'm from UK era of the '70's never thought I was Maranatha...but well...one thing and another...looks like maybe I was...same handouts...different title page. And Lord of the Rings. Some of the Christian folks I hung with in Lexington had nicknames for each other based on the books. Liked the cartoon too. The movies are stunning...NOT for children.

[lc_20]

Jon,
Don't mind krems. He is the only defender of WOF on this board. He has no maranatha/msi/en experience. He just trolls around here for some unknown reason.

Welcome to the board. I got out end of 2004. So, we are on opposite sides of the historical spectrum. There are many here from the 80's. My experience, like yours, was the closer you get to the inner circle, the more crap you see. I thank God, you got out so quickly although I am sure it was a painful season in your life. Look forward to hearing more from you.

[mcmstaff78]

Matt: It was Mark McClimmens, but Dennis I don't know. Rusty Russell was still the head pastor when I left to go to Murfreesboro in late August or early September '78. I don't recall ever seeing a band from Auburn there.

Wildwood: Yeah, KY. My recollection is that we were on Rose St. somewhere. I know I lived on Transylvania Ave. (no, my memory isn't that good but I still have some letters to me from that period.) And the animated version of LOR from 79 was not "stunning", but it was interesting and we all got dressed down for it good. Then there was the guy who threw my Star Wars soundtrack away without asking me - we'd just had that sermon and he knew I wouldn't want to keep it. Oh yeah, that went over big!

LC: I've read enough on the forum to know. Unfortunately, my experience has been you have to experience the betrayal before you wake up to all the inconsistencies you shut a blind eye to. Sort of like alchoholics having to reach rock bottom.

Thanks for the welcome. I hope my experiences can help others.

[mdillon]

Wow, Jon, incredible to see you here. First, let me say I was a complete moronic imbecile back then and if there is anything I ever did to mistreat you I need to apologize and ask for your forgiveness. If you want you can email me markleedillon@hotmail.com

The Pat you mentioned was Pat Krenzle now Lawson wife of Leo.

Thank you for your testimony and courage and welcome

md

[mcmstaff78]

Mark, as soon as I saw that mdillon I thought it was you. Yes, what a small world after 28 years! But, you know, that was one reason I registered here because I wanted to see if any other folks I knew would be around.

I gotta say I don't have any bad memories of you, Pat (yeah, Krenzle) and Murfressbor (other than nearly starving to death). It was probably the best time I had in MCM. I have *very* fond memories of going to Nashville, up to the top of the Hyatt restaurant (wasn't that the round one that revolved) and having a glass of wine. I'm betting that was something none of us ever "confessed" to any of the higher ups. ;-)

So, what happened after y'all went to Baton Rouge?

[40days40years]

Yeah welcome thanks for posting that nice testimony I was a mid eighties kind of guy, another old timer named Jon. Wow!

[wiseasaserpentgentleasadove]

78,
Hi! I'm not far from Baton Rouge, and am curious to know if you know of the name of the church those pastor's went there long ago to start? Mdillon, are you from here, too???

[wildwood_]

Why Howdy...I'm sure I wandered around those houses at some point...I know I was in the bookstore! So, if you can take a deep breath. Or possibly have already. Go check out the thread on What ever happened to Leo Lawson? I "stumble" onto this board looking for Butch about half way down...and I'm still praying for him... and I still believe in the Love for the Lord that was in his heart before any of us had ever heard of Maranatha... The most amazing truth I have found on this board...is the oldest one of all: just people loving Jesus and sharing the Joy of their Faith in Him. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/proud.gif
msgusa0601@yahoo.com

md: I saw your website. Did I mention my Dad was a blacksmith, carpenter? He'd have been impressed (and he was one of those who learned from his Dad, from his Dad...). The work of your hands shows the Faith in your life. You can see it. Plain.

[mcmstaff78]

Wise: To me it was just the LSU/Baton Rouge Maranatha Chapel. Mark can undoubtedly fill you in on more. I was gone well before they "disbanded" (reincarnated?) MCM and kicked out Bob. I remember reading about it, but not much else. I think I was in the middle of getting married and being ordained in the UMC at the time, so Maranatha was the last thing on my mind. Isn't it funny how five years when your 27 or 28 seems like a long time?

Interesting thing (my real claim to fame), is that the summer of '78 I also conducted a bible study up at Berry College in Rome, Georgia. Just this evening I came across a "teaching" I wrote and on the back of it I had the names of the people who had attended and their addresses. It must have been the last meeting for the summer and everyone was going home. Lee Grady was one of the guys who was part of that bible study. So, I can take at least part of the blame for Lee's experience with MCM.

[mdillon]

Man, thank you for stirring up that great memory. Now don’t tell miltie it was wine, tell him it was a Rolling Rock or he’ll think I was even more of a moron. Someday we need to have a reunion, me, you and Pat and have another glass or three. We’ll tie Leo’s clacker to a post somewhere and make him watch Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings nonstop for about 3 days.

Do you remember in M’Boro we were so broke that all we had once was popcorn but no oil to cook it in, so we took the ‘nointing oil from inside the pulpit.

You should have gone to B.R. with us cause we had a blast there too amongst all the craziness. Married Denise O’Neil from Tuscaloosa (met her at the Magnolia House in Auburn, fellas) and now have four kids b.g.b.g. ages 15-24. We rode The Beast all the way to its godawful end in 89. Got broadsided by the Rice&Phil Co. along the way but basically spent 14 years in Colorado. Moved back to my hometown Columbia, TN. In 1994 so my parents could live out their days with their grandchildren close. Got out of the priestcraft and now a woodworker and publik skool teecher.

md

[matt_hatter]

We rode The Beast all the way to its godawful end in 89.

Haha, sounds like a tee shirt you would get at 6 Flags.

[mdillon]

WAD I was in Baton Rouge at the beginning of the ministry in1979 and moved to Boulder in 1981. The house was on W.Parker blvd. an old frat/boarding house. We poured about 70K into it turning it into a beautiful chapel and rooms. Not sure what it is today.

Wildwood you went into the bookstore in M'Boro?

Thank you for your kind words about my work. You have ministered His faithfulness to me today in ways you'll never know.

md

[mdillon]

hey, mattie, thank you for shaking their clackers over their. some folks might need a little wallpaperin' done---

md

[mcmstaff78]

Wildwood: I looked up that post. Yeah, we were there the same time, but I don't remember any names from that time. I'm reading that Leo Lawson was from Lexington but I'm pretty sure he wasn't there, or wasn't someone I knew, while I was there.

Mark: No prob, man, it is one of my good ones. The one thing I remember most about M'boro is being broke!! That and playing b'ball with you and the guys. I lost 25 pounds while I was there! Actually had some really good times there. It wasn't until I saw Bob and some other folks "up close and personal", as they say, that I started really wondering what was going on. I was naive and full of pride and ego. Example: I sometimes wrote in a journal during those days and still have it. I was reading in there yesterday after reading one of Maranatha1984's blogs where he mentions Mark Caulk. A comment in my journal about going to Cookeville for a regional staff meeting: "I really like Mark Caulk." Guess I never got on his bad side.

BTW, I *asked* to go to Baton Rouge. Remember, they asked us to submit where we wanted to go/do, and I put Baton Rouge like you and Pat. I'm afraid I wasn't considered front line material. ;-D It was all for the best.

When I got out I went started seminary at Emory University the fall of '79, got my M.Div. in '82 and was ordained in the United Methodist Church in '84 (and got married the same year to a girl my younger brother went to school with at FSU - still married 22 years later - only two kids for me.) Unfortunately, I got caught up in WoF theology in the mid-80s and involved with a guy who pastored a church down the street from mine. We got pretty tight. In '88 I resigned from the UMC to work with him, but he pretty much freaked on me. I never was "full time" with him, though I served in the church for six years. It really was a lot of the same MCM stuff, rehashed. Actually, it amazes me from how many sources Bob took his theology.

Finally shook lose of that in '94, church hopped for awhile, settled down in a Christian Church the end of the 90s but started reading about Eastern Orthodoxy. Converted to Orthodoxy (after a pretty long inquiry) in early 2004. I've worked with the State of Georgia Dept. of Human Resources since '89.

[miltietoast]

Mark, as soon as I saw that mdillon I thought it was you. Yeah mark dillon ss#412 36 4538,the mystery man of factnet.Undercovercop.
welcome mcm murfreesboro thanks for the memories. we came down from cookeville several times to clean up Papa Docs and help you guys with kickoff. I was at the meeting in bookstore? when Clay McClean spoke. I thrash dillon all the time cause he stole 14 cases of my Rolling Rock and offered me a 20 for restitution. Be careful with JBK we tried to house train him but he is still a little puppy and pees on everything and chews on everything. You will see.Am I a profit or what? justsend me money and I will pray for you and send you bottle of rolling rock filled with holy TN spring water

[matt_hatter]

md:hey, mattie, thank you for shaking their clackers over their

Hahaha--scratching my head on that thread--what is the point? The quality of the threads? Are you kidding me? Have you seen some of the stuff posted in here, impersonating intelligence? At least there is no pretense here. Ha!

If I were in EN, I'd come to the gen. chat just to shake off the depression.

Sorry, Allie is here with my juice glass and fistfull of pills.That will shut my mouth for awhile.

Matt

[john_r_jones]

Speaking of clackers I thought of another movie and had started posting it on the Moovee thread but what the heck.

Dirty Rotten Scoundrels-
Ruprect the Monkey Boy in the role of Fact Net policeman. Ruprect...the genital cuff!

John-i'llbereincarnatedaswaltermatthau-Jones

[miltietoast]

matt another state employee you ,dillon and mcm can chat on your three hour paid coffee breaks.God I am so jealous except I make more money in 5 mins then they do in a month,it is just so damn long between those min sometimes. I think about working more than 4 weeks a year during those times but it is like a jbk nightmare so I rebukt it and it goes away because of my great confession. I will confess over you guys for 100.00 a month each/ Do you know how to use Paypal? I feel like I'm swerving all over the road,who is driving anyway...

[wildwood_]

md:...no...as I recall I went into a very narrow little bookstore in Lexington. In & out quick before engaging in conversation because those folks were crazy. Irony being of course, NOW that I know the "Fellowship" I was in was same thing...same books, same theology, etc... http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/lol.gif You know I suppose tears could apply but I did enough of those then. And I do not think one of them was wasted...If I'd known more back of bus riders back then, I probably could've stopped crying sooner! Blown my nose. And avoided a sinus headache. Aah, well. Lesson learned. On to next one, and on, and on, etc...

MCM78...I never knew any maranatha names, I always thought of them as the tall guys I didn't know in the back of the room (but everyone is usually taller than me). I met Leo"Butch" in the Spring of '76 as the BSU Guy. Brown Pinto. Seems like '79 was the year that things intensified for him in MCM and the same year I left my "group"...wish I'd listened closer then but all of us (close knit 'family' in Christ) had to an extent stopped being "real" and started just showing the "victorious Christian smile" covering many a sad lonely heart.

[lc_20]

matt: "At least there is no pretense here."

Now you have me laughing. Why don't you boys go another round of patting yourselves on the back... go champs.

[matt_hatter]

lc20 in time you will have true laughter that is not filled with bitterness. Give it time. God is good.

[mdillon]

keep it up miltie and your gonna blow my cover. you posting my s.s. was low. irs man came by and wanted to know where's all the taxes from years of ministers housing allowance. i gave him a case of RR and told him where Rice lived.

md

[jbkrems]

mcmstaffer:

I'm no troll. My church IS affiliated w/FCF out of Tulsa, and AIM (Associated Interdependent Ministries) out of LaSalle/Chicago, Ill. Pastor Tom Arnold, president of AIM, is formerly from Tulsa, and pastored FCF there.

[matt_hatter]

"At least there is no pretense here."

And I meant no pretense for intelligence. I'm glad to find my way to work.

[j2theperson]

***Matt wrote: And I meant no pretense for intelligence. I'm glad to find my way to work.***

Is that why you're a government employee?

...sorry, couldn't resist http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif

[mdillon]

John
Love D.R.S.! I want to scream in the voice of Will Ferrell in "Old School"===="Rupreck, you're my boy"

btw here's another movie pertaining to EN:

"Dazed and Confused" Enjoy a delightful evening watching young Matthew McCoughnahay and Ben Affleck play out the teenage angst years of 1976 and come away with a deep apprectiation of the culture that most EN hierarchy grew up in.

I watch this religiously every May with RR and my kids and laugh my clacker off. You might be tempted to RollABigFatOne after watching, but I'll pray for you if you still got a hankerin'

md

[john_r_jones]

The only bigfatone I'll be rolling is me!
John

[mdillon]

hey lc, no hard feelings, if you knew how much we are driving the ENers mad with our posts the fact that we haven't been JoeSmithCursed because we're out and we're laughing about it all is driving them insane. They lurk here, get cheesed, (hi rice) swear they're never coming back and then "click" here they are again because these boards are harder to quit than cocaine. sorry if we oldfarts offend you but we've got these guys numbers, if you know what I mean. This thing is awesome for me because it is hooking me up with people I need to apologize and repent to and imho the Body of Christ is rockin' on this thing. don't worry about the purety of factnet and I do appreciate the organization but let it be just the skeleton that supports the Body cause God is doin' His Thang

peace,
md

[mdillon]

miltie I think we should start a PapaDoc's thread for people that have forgotten what walls look like with black and red carpet

md

[wildwood_]

Don't forget the lava lamps...the original funky color ones...
not the pretty hued retro reproductions currently in the discount stores (go ask your wives & daughters if you are unaware of these items.)

[matt_hatter]

Is that why you're a government employee?

I am from the government and I am here to help you.
Has anyone ever told you that you are an "old soul"? Well, you are.

[mdillon]

oh, and I forgot to add, lc, every time an ENer passes a beer cooler in a quick mart and sees Rolling Rock immediately they cannot help but think "MILTIE" and they secretly buy it and LOVE it, but then they swear it off too because morally, you know, they can't drink the same as miltie so they go back to their nearbeer.

(btw. this is mine and miltie's ploy to get them to morally give up RR so there's more for us)

peace,

md

[miltietoast]

big mdill you are rolling tonight!I could weave a sweater with your cool threads.Whats the source of your power?I have taken two rocks and I am rolling into the bed.Harvey(the bunny) put er on cruise control(wedge an empty RR between pedal and metal and taker down the highway. Goodnight Rice,I can still whoop your clacker

[mdillon]

miltie what scares the cheese out of these ENers is they know I haven't even warmed up yet. After drinking the Plutonium/SouthernComfort on the bunny bus I couldn't keep it under triple digits on the way home from the shop.

md

[miltietoast]

md check out rod parsley thread.I found jbk over there and I am letting my hair down.heheheh pray for me clause I still have the hankerin to do some clackerin

[j2theperson]

***Matt wrote: Has anyone ever told you that you are an "old soul"?***

Only about a million times http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/lol.gif. Most people seem to think I would fit well in the Middle Ages, a couple have brought me as far forward as the Renaissance. Apparently, I'm the only one who realizes I would go crazy without my internet connection.

[john_r_jones]

J2 I was told something similar once.
John-insertawhereappropriate-Jones

[lc_20]

matt: "bitterness"

Did you get that out of your red book? Not a very original accusation. Been there done that.

mdillion: "we're out and we're laughing about it all is driving them insane"

As far as I can tell, they are already all insane. Hopefully, this board can drive them toward repentance, restoration and godly character.

[j2theperson]

***John wrote: J2 I was told something similar once.***

Yay! I'm not alone. But please don't show up here in hose, a doublet, and a funny hat. We already have enough to worry about with Miltie and his <strike>tutu</strike> three-three.

[mcmstaff78]

Man, you guys are talkative long after I’ve got to go to bed!! I’m going to try catch up in one post.

Miltietoast: I may not have been at M’boro when you were doing that. I was only there 9/78 through 12/78 (darn, it seems longer than that – time moves slowly when you’re starving yourself to death!) I would take you up on your offer, but Rolling Rock isn’t much more than water when it comes to beer. How about some Samuel Smith Nut Brown Ale or Oatmeal Stout – those are beers!!

Wildwood: I was definitely one of the tall guys in the back. I was on my way to “balding” even at 22, with glasses and a mustache. I ran the bookstore from 1/79 to 3/79.

Krems: I’m not here to argue, just share my experiences. You do what you gotta, bro!

Mdillon: Yeah, it’s pretty funny about being cursed. When I got back to Athens, Mark McClimens wanted to meet with me with a couple other brothers about have left. I heard a little of the whole “outside God’s protection” and “not under authority”, blah, blah, blah. I guess it’s all how you define “curse”, though, huh? I mean, Kenneth Hagin’s son-in-law dies of cancer but me and my family are still kickin’. I also never “fell away from the Lord”. I’ve wandered in the wilderness and been a bit confused at times, but my heart always wanted to follow Christ our Savior!

[matt_hatter]

lc, my apologies, I made a few smartass comments that were uncalled for. Please forgive...you are welcome anytime for a chat and I will listen to what you have to say. We all have a purpose for being here and hopefully, this glorious mess will
have an impact.

My mouth.....jeez, back to Proverbs.

[lc_20]

matt, no problem. I am honestly not easily offended... more often, I am the cause of offense. It seems I am apologizing to someone on a daily basis these days. If I said anything offensive to you, I do apologize as well. Sorry for the comment about my anger toward those who started this mess - out of bounds. We are all victims here. But, we all contributed and supported this for a season of our lives too. I guess I am still trying to figure out how much of this was my own responsibility and what I can do to correct the consequences of my own wrong decisions during this ignorant time of my life. God forgive me for the encouragement and money I gave to these leaders as they abused the sheep and spent the money on themselves. I am sick over it and it seems it is affecting my ability to play nice with the happy/free people on the board. I do hope you are truly happy and free.

[mdillon]

lc-"As far as I can tell, they are already all insane. Hopefully, this board can drive them toward repentance, restoration and godly character."

good point lc but I'm glad that's not my job anymore

md

[matt_hatter]

"I am sick over it and it seems it is affecting my ability to play nice with the happy/free people on the board. I do hope you are truly happy and free."

Now this is where you are wrong, dear freind. It is not important to Him or me that you play nice! We played nice for so long that we ground our molars to dust! You are where you are. I don't know your whole story, you seem closer to all of this than me (from a time perspective)--If you have shared your story, point me in that direction.

We need your 'sick over it" it adds to the whole perspective of the beautiful mess of belivers. I am far removed in years from the 'sick of it', but it floods back when I see some of the newer posters. It makes ME get the 'I'm sick of it" and I handle it sometime by just 'getting in your face' humor that may drive some EN'rs crazy, others, hopefully, free.

What just happened is this: Two people got ****y, two people repented, two people became closer. This is the kingdom as it is meant to be. It never happened in my day or yours. You had a disagreement, the lesser always had a demon. Peter cutting off an ear. Jesus refereeing a fight about who will sit on his right or left.The same guys changing the world in the book of Acts.

The Kingdom is a real thing, because He is using real people,like you and me!

Matt 'the mouth' Hatter

[maranatha1984]

Welcome Jon

[maranatha1984]

Mdillion:moronic imbecile

84: We should all chant this in unison: "We were all moronic imbeciles...

[mdillon]

don't chant too fast or miltie will think we're hootahing.

md

[maranatha1984]

Mdillon:Got broadsided by the Rice&amp;Phil Co. along the way but basically spent 14 years in Colorado

84: Did you T-Bone them or they you...

Mdillon:We poured about 70K into it turning it into a beautiful chapel and rooms. Not sure what it is today.


84:MD was this the last "Big one" that they sank thousands into prior to the Great Send out

(Message edited by Maranatha1984 on July 19, 2006)

[maranatha1984]

JBK:I'm no troll. My church IS affiliated w/FCF out of Tulsa, and AIM (Associated Interdependent Ministries) out of LaSalle/Chicago, Ill. Pastor Tom Arnold, president of AIM, is formerly from Tulsa, and pastored FCF there.

MCM1978: What he says, unfortunately is true. He is a true believer- sincerely deceived- but a nice kid at heart. Really he is. But having a conversation with him is like talking about derivative calculus with my seven year old twins- they don't like it and they want listen...

[mdillon]

84-"Did you T-Bone them or they you... "

I wish it was a T-bone. More like the Queen Mary running into my little johnboat. At least I had the extreme pleasure of telling Rice to his face to kissmewherethegoodlordsplitme. He even halfassed apologized years later after The Fall.

The LSU house begain in Jan 79 and The Great Send Out Phase One started Jan 81 so surely there were others.

[miltietoast]

What just happened is this: Two people got ****y, two people repented, two people became closer. This is the kingdom as it is meant to be.

Seriously (really) The secret of the gospel has just been exposed.I call it the Rodney King gospel of can't we all get along. God is so tricky he throws us all together shakes us up and says,"now get along,and in your getting along I will build the kingdom and the character of Jesus in every one of yall(southern Galilee)"We say no I have a better idea let us congregate with those who are like us and we feel comfortable with and alienate the rest.God keeps pressing us together and we go ooh somebody touched me. If I go any further I will have to take up an offering.Do you all have my Paypal account?

[mdillon]

miltie that was strong.

give me a minute, i'm trying to figure out how to upload a RR to send it. don't forget my tax receipt

md

[matt_hatter]

Miltei said: "Seriously (really)"

We need more of your "seriously (really)". And I AM being serious...really.

lc, you're are on the bus whether you want to be or not.

Matt

[maranatha1984]

Miltie, of course you nail it again- even as you enter the youth of your old age (LOL!)

[mcmstaff78]

84: What he says, unfortunately is true. He is a true believer- sincerely deceived- but a nice kid at heart. Really he is. But having a conversation with him is like talking about derivative calculus with my seven year old twins- they don't like it and they want listen...

Me: Yeah, been there done that. As I wrote responding to your latest installment, while my MCM experience was that bad, getting out of my WoF church was. I've heard all the rationales and given a bunch of them. Six months before I finally left I had a "sit down" with the pastor, his wife, a couple of "brothers" in leadership and my wife. It was what Bob wanted to do with you when he called. I was stupid enough to agree. He apologized for some of the things he couldn't evade, then did some the ol' spiritual manipulation on me, had me crying after 30 minutes or so and finally, "repenting", after an hour. I felt like a damn fool when I woke up the next morning, but too embarassed to do anything about it for another six months. *That* time I called him one week, said "I'm leaving and next Thursday will be my last service". Thursday, pretty much no one would talk to me but he said a few things nice from the pulpit and told me "goodbye". I found out latter I got thoroughly trashed from the pulpit at the next service they had. God bless them all, may they truly find some repentance.

[maranatha1984]

Miltie, of course you nail it again- even as you enter the youth of your old age (LOL!)

The crux of WOF and MCM and EN is the doctrine of the perfectability of Man. Man can be PERFECTED.

and with this as a premise, and also taking into consideration that GOd is perfect, then as a believer if you are NOT perfect then there is something wrong with YOU, with YOUR faith, with YOUR LIFE, with YOUR EFFORT, with YOUR WORKS, with YOUR prayer.

Plain and simple- it is a SMALL error in belief and philosophy (perfectability of Man) that leads to HORRIFIC things like MCM, International Church of Christ, The WAY, EN and the start of things on ROBERTS blog.

But, if you start with man is a worm and sinful and can do nothing &amp; God is Almighty and on his THrone- then all these horrible and unscriptural things are AVOIDED.

A great place to start is Googling the Sermons of Charles Haddon Spurgeon, the great evangelist of the 19th century.

Well said Miltie

[mdillon]

jon-"I got thoroughly trashed from the pulpit"

what an honor, friend. me and miltie have been tossed out of some of the finest steeplehouses around, post MCM, even without each other's help.

btw i'm down w/you on the stout. I just use RR to brush my teeth with.

md

[mcmstaff78]

MD: btw i'm down w/you on the stout. I just use RR to brush my teeth with.

Me: Of course, like I always say, the only thing worse than bad beer is *no* beer!!

MD, just thought about something, did you ever tell Pat that I had "submitted" her name? Oh my, what a hoot!!

[miltietoast]

jon-"I got thoroughly trashed from the pulpit"

brother were you drinking on the job again?
you must drink beer for the taste and not the buzz.I drink beer like peolple eat fish --"this is good fish" "why" "because it does not taste like fish" Your beer sounds like" eating" a bowl of two week old organic oatmeal

[mcmstaff78]

Miltie: No, you've got the idea of beer all wrong. Your beer should be able to stand up like a sock worn for two straight weeks, but should not *taste* like it. If you've never had a Samuel Smith Oatmeal Stout (or Taddy Porter or Nutbrown Ale) you simply don't know what you're missing. Trust me, the Thunder Bunny Bluebird Bus would never be the same!!

[mdillon]

jon-"MD, just thought about something, did you ever tell Pat that I had "submitted" her name? Oh my, what a hoot!!"

man, I have no recollection. some folks around here probably want to trade you in for Leo.
(kidding Butch...I'll thrash you laterhttp://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

also keep the good stuff away from miltie.

md

[matt_hatter]

Samuel Smith Oatmeal Stout (or Taddy Porter or Nutbrown Ale)

Now we're talking. Warfsteiner Dinkle. Why did all us old greybeards start drinking beer? Making up for lost time?....oh Negra Modelo with fajitas. Oh Baby!!

Matt

[mdillon]

me and a buddy want to brew our own one day and call it Kingdom Beer. miltie i need a t-shirt that says "seek first the Kingdom..."

md

[miltietoast]

you could conjagate the verb brew
i brew
he brew
we brew
we all brew

[mdillon]

mattie thanks for the mail. I'll holla back later cause i'm about to leave but simply put I think you and tikie have got Balrog by the twinkies.

meetin' up with the missus in Franklin. one of my best buddies is the featured artist at The Factory 6-9. y'all come

peace out for now

md

[mcmstaff78]

Matt: Samuel Smith Oatmeal Stout (or Taddy Porter or Nutbrown Ale)

Now we're talking. Warfsteiner Dinkle. Why did all us old greybeards start drinking beer? Making up for lost time?....oh Negra Modelo with fajitas. Oh Baby!!

Me: "Start drinking beer"? What do you mean "start drinking beer"? Okay, I confess, I *didn't* drink beer when I was in MCM. But I had started before then and immediately upon getting out I was back at it. No, didn't drink a lot, but when a girlfriend in April '80 gave me a Guiness for my birthday, well, I tried to marry that girl, but she wouldn't have me...(story of my life, well, until the one that would have me).

Negra Modelo. Love it too. There's a little Mexican restaraunt in Fitzgerald, Georgia (where I spent 5 weeks in the summer of '96 learning to train a new State computer system) that served 'em for $2.25 a throw. Boy is that dangerous.

[sameo]

Beer, beer, beer...and brew, brew, brew! Fella's I just think it's terribly unedifying of you to be talking all this nonesense on this post. I feel I should speak up. I mean what will those EN/Mar nuts think of you?

LOLOL.....JUST KIDDING! Gotcha!!! Speaking of brew-haha remember I am the witch slinger---got my own brew bubbling. Oh, wait...it's the witch that brews. Well, hey--(I just sound plain crazy) lol

Hi MCMStaff78-welcome! Nice reading your posts. Glad you joined us. I haven't posted in a few days. I hate getting so far behind. BTW--did you guys ever figure out the Lexington pastor? I know at one time it was Bob &amp; Pat Martin.

Good sermon above Miltie! Would you like 10% offering...or more like 50%? I aim to please....

j2: I like your old soul....and your's too, JrJ!!

From another old soul....
Miss Kitty!

[mcmstaff78]

Bob Martin it was, sameo. I thought it was "Bob", but there were so many Bob's running around I just didn't think I was remembering correctly.

I didn't have all that much trouble with Bob, just him ripping us for going to LoTR in private and then again in front of the "body". That struck me as a pretty sh*tty thing to do, but in hindsight it was obviously to put me in my place and make sure everyone knew I was "junior" level leadership.

[miltietoast]

sameo said Good sermon above Miltie! Would you like 10% offering...or more like 50%? I aim to please....
do you have my paypal account#

[sameo]

NO, Miltie-toast...but you've got my email? just send it--will get that wired to you pronto! let me sell my house and car...and quit school first though...so I can afford it. I know,right? where's my faith? wait, if I don't eat this week...yeh...hmm...let me see what i can do.

:-P

[maranatha1984]

Good to see you back Sammy...

[miltietoast]

Sameo,what about the vacation home and the little red corvette? Do not hold back from me or they will drag you out feetfirst.You could die if you shrink back(that's for jbk,he was running out of material)

[miltietoast]

Sameo,what about the vacation home and the little red corvette? Do not hold back from me or they will drag you out feetfirst.You could die if you shrink back(that's for jbk,he was running out of material)

[sameo]

Miltie:"Do not hold back from me or they will drag you out feetfirst."

Is that a threat or a promise? Hey, I will sic Tikie on you...helppp me. Just kidding...hey, man, let's be reasonable...I just looks so fine in my red corvette...but you are probably right...if I am Happy, and have been blessed then it CAN'T be good...ONLY the leaders should drive a corvette...sigh.....that's right. Well, ok, Miltie....I guess you want all 3 vacation homes? and my inheritance? family business? give me a minute.

84, tikie boy/man/dude....thanks for the "Welcome back!" Same to you!! :-) Good seeing you on here.

Mcm78, yeh, that was pretty shatty! typical Mar style.

Sammy-0

[miltietoast]

sameo the new word for shatty is casting It is what an earthworm does when it takes a dump. if the window of bus is closed it is castfrapp!

[sameo]

"Sameo
the new word for shatty is casting It is what an earthworm does when it takes a dump. if the window of bus is closed it is castfrapp"

Wow---well, thanks for that update...now see, I've missed so much on here that I didn't get our newsletter update.

So, casting...is shat..ok, got it.-weird,thinking of a worm casting. Isn't it ironic that you cast a fishing line with a worm on the end. SO while you are casting, I bet the lil' wormie is too!LOLOL Ah, man Miss Kitty dun' been in the booze. I crack myself up.

Sammy-O

[miltietoast]

peed on myself lol poor little worm maybe we could cast some demons

[miltietoast]

So, casting...is shat..ok, got it.-weird,thinking of a worm casting. Isn't it ironic that you cast a fishing line with a worm on the end. SO while you are casting, I bet the lil' wormie is too!LOLOL Ah, man Miss Kitty dun' been in the booze. I crack myself up.
I nominate the above post to the bunny trail hall of fame absolute classic! you dun' outdid yousef mis kitty,give er nother round

[sameo]

this could be another rolling rock rocks...don't get me started....cause you know I'll Go there...

hehe cast some demons....wonder what kind of lil' demons would come out? hmm....

u got Miss Kitty's wheels a turnin'...I will be casting my thoughts on this one...I am sure they will be casting thoughts....as I cast my thoughts. Miss Kitty need a nuther' drunk...drink...drank?lol and the beauty is no one really knows whether MIss kitty been drinking...we do know she is full of cast. LOL

I am in so much trouble...Mr. Kitty the Tiger....gonna get me. Helppp!

[miltietoast]

You and your incognito hubby are officially invited to the Oct Miltie Leisure Time Social.Advance registration has started do you have my paypal account?

Cast your cares on krems for he cares for you?
dipcast?

[sameo]

Ah, thank you, my partner in casting thoughts, for the official invite. We do not have your paypal acct #,..point us the way to register though. Maybe we can hop on the Gray hound as Tik comes through.

The Tiger, and Miss Kitty!

[sameo]

oh, wow...didn't see my nomination for the bunny trail classic..hehe NOW I can't think of a more touching honor than that..and the subject matter is so befitting. Mr. Tiger has confessed me being full of "cast" all these years....he "spoke
it right into existence."

thanks again,
Miss Kitty

Bar is now officially opened....next door is the coffee shop. (Don't forget to spike the coffee,Dove...oops!)

[matt_hatter]

Sammy-o: Isn't it ironic that you cast a fishing line with a worm on the end. SO while you are casting, I bet the lil' wormie is too!LOLOL

Miltie, this is better'n than just bunny trail awards--this is the holy grail--the Mike Caulk Pluger as a Microphone Trophy. As a fisherman, I completely lost it. Chickster indeed!

Matt

[miltietoast]

ok you got oscars tonys espys what shpuld we give sam and under what classification? don't break a leg sam will have to put it in cast

Best supporting cast in ashort documentary?

[sameo]

LMAO!!!"don't break a leg sam will have to put it in cast"

OK--Miltie...I think you've just outdone me...in all fairness....hehe You wuz good.

From one "Bullcaster to another..." props to you,

[maranatha1984]

J2:already have enough to worry about with Miltie and his tutu three-three.
84: How did you cross out tutu- I'm glad you did because the idea of Mitlie in a Tutu made me almost lose my Breakfasthttp://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/lame.gif

[maranatha1984]

sammy to Miltie:Hey, I will sic Tikie on you...helppp me

84/Tikie: Rrrrruffff....rrrrufffff

[miltietoast]

if I am not careful I am going to have to get fitted for a four four with frapp flaps

[miltietoast]

sameo- for one who has done his share of casting,your word picture of a wormie losing his cast as he is headed towards a hungry largemouth bass will stay with me forever!I know the last word of a redneck is "Hey yall watch this." The last words of a wormie flying thru the air must be,"ooooooohh caaaaassssssttttt!
(Oops peed on myself)

[miltietoast]

I am laughing so hard it sounds like riccochet rabbits dog sidekick deputy dog harharharhar
thanks for the memories and inner healing!

[miltietoast]

sameo was that image really "spirit assisted"

[maranatha1984]

Mitlie:sameo was that image really "spirit assisted"

84/Tikie: Grrrrrr...Mitlie I am waiting for you to notice that I have my fangs in your legs...

[sameo]

Mil:"sameo was that image really "spirit assisted"

Yeh, it was spiritss assisted..hehe I get some great relevations, er..revelations that way.

84/tikieboy...that's it tikie...git him...now you mean business....your lil' rrrufff rrrufff made me laugh. ;-)

[maranatha1984]

Tikie: Arff arfff, heya heya heya (withntongue hangin out) Scratch Scratch scratch...arrrh if I could only get that flea biting my right ear...

[matt_hatter]

Miltie, fishing with those big Canadian night crawlers will never be the same.

[miltietoast]

Yeah all them sophisticated fisherman use them articial lures.They ask me what I'm fishin with and I tell em,"A number 10 pink nighty"(a 10 inch live nightcrawler)

[mdillon]

huh, how ironic. now it's a 48" white speedo.

Oops, my bad, y'all are talking about fishing. Sorry

md

[matt_hatter]

That juice that shoots out of that 10 incher with the first stick---man it is like gorilla glue. Maybe we could patent it Miltie, sounds like another wild hare you need to chase. Canadian Crawler Glue.

[matt_hatter]

That juice that shoots out of that 10 incher with the first stick---man it is like gorilla glue. Maybe we could patent it Miltie, sounds like another wild hare you need to chase. Canadian Crawler Cast Glue.

[j2theperson]

***Tik wrote: J2:already have enough to worry about with Miltie and his <strike>tutu</strike> three-three.
84: How did you cross out tutu- I'm glad you did because the idea of Mitlie in a Tutu made me almost lose my Breakfast***

It's very simple really. Do you know how to make words bold or italicized (http://www.webmonkey.com/webmonkey/teachingtool/bi.html)? Well, striking words out works exactly the same way, only instead of placing an "i" or a "b" inside the brackets you place the word "strike".

So, to illustrate, I need to subsitute the carrot brackets >< with regular brackets ][ so that you can see what I'm talking about. To strike out a phrase your html markup would look like this:


I did not watch Corky Romano just because I think Peter Falk is sexy.

Which will end up looking like this:

I did not watch Corky Romano <strike>just because I think Peter Falk is sexy</strike>.

I hope that was understandable and helpful http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

[matt_hatter]

Wow, I am sooo impressed. Do you iron and cook too?
Matt

(Message edited by matt hatter on July 21, 2006)

[j2theperson]

***Matt sez: Wow, I am sooo impressed. Do you iron and cook too?***

Surprisingly enough, I do.

[matt_hatter]

Ok, I'll try it again.
Wow I am sooo impressed. <strike>Do you iron and cook too?</strike>

What can I say, I am a man, getting it on the second try is considered a major victory.

Matt

[matt_hatter]

Like a typical man, I read your instructions like we read maps. I put the [ ] instead of the <>. Like Allie-cat always says, I have selective hearing, and reading too, I guess.

Seriously, thanks for the lesson, I have put webmonkey in my favorites. Who says you can't teach on old dog new tricks?

[john_r_jones]

j2, that could make for some interesting cusine.
WAB

[ginger1]

Hmm I can't iron. [Hubby] tried to teach me , out of frustration he took over.

[john_r_jones]

ahh ginger is the smart one.
WAB

[ginger1]

He also thought that I can't sew , so he was doing it for the first 5 years of our marriage. Till he saw me sewing... darn, I should have hidden that one .

[j2theperson]

Well, I don't sew, so I guess that makes up for the ironing.

***that could make for some interesting cusine.***

The perfect way to cook lasagne http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

[ginger1]

I make a mean lasagna. Different cuisines, chinese, filipino, japanese, american ,mexican sometimes mediterenean and indian. I love to cook and bake.
Hubby is complaining about his weight... gotta slow down... change hobby.

[ginger1]

I am almost 41, does that qualify me to be an oldtimer ? been from Maranatha to MSI. thats = 17 years.

[john_r_jones]

Maybe he could start to eat your sewing?
WAB

[ginger1]

Well, he does irons my clothes every sunday. Its nice to have a perfectionist husband. The U.S. Navy taught him well....

[j2theperson]

I love to cook--things involving chicken are my favorite, but I can use other meats as well. And baking is fun too. And I love my set of Cutco knives (http://www.cutco.com), which, in addition to being deadly, are also très stylish.

[ginger1]

I just found out (by accident) of a good recipe for Pork barbeque ribs. Boil it in Liquid smoke seasoning and a little water for a few minutes, then pour in your favorite barbeque sauce. till its done.

I got in trouble with my hubby last week on that one, He tried not to eat it .... but it was soooo good. He told me not to make it again.
Hmmm Probably I will keep this up till he takes over the kitchen.

[ginger1]

I used to own some nice four star Henkels, till Hubby used it to cut a tree limbs.
So now, I am using Mundial Future .http://www.mundialusa.com/future.html
And I am guarding it like a dog.

[j2theperson]

***I used to own some nice four star Henkels, till Hubby used it to cut a tree limbs.***

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am so shocked I have lost the power of speech!!!

[ginger1]

Yea, thats why he is my Grace Grower, Patient Grower, Self-control Grower.... Willow tree to be specific....

[matt_hatter]

Ginger, that is so funny. I used Allie's best scissors one time to prune some bushes in the backyard, just because I couldn't find the garden snips. She made me go buy her some new ones. Told ya, j2, we're idiots.

[ginger1]

ohh, he has done more things. I remember that we just got married, he went and bought a new truck. And hid it in the navy base for three months. Came home confessed. No reaction from me. Few months later, he sold the truck bought another truck and hid it for two weeks. Came home confessed, no reaction from me. Thrid time, he did it again this time he took it home straight.

A few years later, I bought my own truck. Fully paid. New. 2 years old. He told his friend to come along and took us to a Chevrolet lot. He whispered to his Navy friend to entertain me in the car lot and don't make her suspicious of anything while he goes in the office negotiating trading my truck to a van....

[sameo]

Miltie:"the last word of a redneck is "Hey yall watch this." The last words of a wormie flying thru the air must be,"ooooooohh caaaaassssssttttt"

Brilliant, my friend!

Now, that's a baddd day!"(NO matter how you look at it, and NO matter what positve thing you confess.....that IS a BAD day for lil' wormie!)

Krem-see how much laughter we've had from a day out "fishin'?" you might oughta take Marshall Dillon's advice and pick up a pole...and go on down to the crawdad hole. (no wait, save that for another day) OK-Krems...crawdad diggin' and fishing are not the same....it just rhymed...lol)

Miss Kitty is just gettin' her brain cells warmed up....lalalala

Miltie-I'm going to email the misses again soon!

[sameo]

Ginger girl you're crackin' me up! Bought your own truck! you Go sista!

sameo

[matt_hatter]

Ginger I am laughing sooo hard at you right now....

[miltietoast]

Now, that's a baddd day!"(NO matter how you look at it, and NO matter what positve thing you confess.....that IS a BAD day for lil' wormie!)
Yeah all the business hot shots say ,The earlybird gets the worm!" It dawned on me one day that the earlyworm gets eaten.I am sleeping in

[sameo]

LOL...Miltie...On that note, I'm going back to bed too. Lesson is....don't be the earlyworm! and I don't much wanna be the early bird either...

[ginger1]

Matt, my hubby has done a lot of things that would drive any wife nuts. A few of them that MCM would not even approve of. And no its not sin. Its just makes life interesting.

Let's see, here is another one. You know military guys loves guns. Its a man thing. Anyway, he went and bought two home. Without asking me . I looked at him weird, and asked why did you not asked me first if you can bring guns home ? He said because you might not approve .
Then he said, you know there is one gun that I particularly like , can I go get another one ? So I stop and think, you know , he still would go and get it whether I like it or not. So I just kissed him and said go ahead, As long as you do not bring any bullets home cause I do not want any accidents. His face beamed ! Kissed me and went to get another one.

There are something in life that I just gave up. I mean whats the point if I said no ?

[sameo]

Ginger:"There are something in life that I just gave up. I mean whats the point if I said no ?"

Such a wise woman! ;-)

YOu are too cute!!

[matt_hatter]

Ginger, Allie-cat gave up on me and my arsenal years ago. She even "qualifies" with a snub nosed .38 twice a year at our range. I put up a silhouette target one day and told her to cut loose. She went: head, neck, chest, gut, crotch. I told her to give me that thing, She said no way and promptly went to the Sherriff's office and got her pistol permit. Yea.. I know...Alabama...

[ulyankee]

hehehehe, and my hubby thinks <u>I</u> spoil him b/c I just replaced his old beat to h**l PDA with a new one (he uses it as a GPS for work among many other things, including solitaire) and when he gets off his 14 day work rotation I let him play video games for a while to unwind rather than confront him with a list of "honey-do" things (as long as they don't involve getting up on the roof or heavy lifting I can do most of those fixer-upper things myself anyway!!!). But you make me look BAAAD ginger, hehehehe!

He's former military too but we have no guns in the house nor have we ever really discussed much less considered it. Even here in "Sportsmen's Paradise" where one regularly sees bumper stickers reading, "Kids Who Hunt and Fish Don't Do Drugs. XYZ Parish Sheriffs Department." Maybe it's b/c he flew medevac, I dunno.

[wiseasaserpentgentleasadove]

I confess, I have not spent time reading all of the threads...I just happened onto this one and MAN have I missed a party, or what?? Ginger, I think you are going to have to join our talk show "Another View" that we started somewhere on here, it's a talk show that I wish can really happen in my life, a dream I've had for over 6 years, but this is serving a purpose here rather than on t.v. for now!!

I think I could listen to you all day! Full of wisdom, insight, humor, love, etc.
thanks for sharing.
Dove

[matt_hatter]

Uly over here in Montgomery Co, our sticker reads: "Take your boy hunting instead of hunting your boy." LOL

Haven't a clue where my 15 yr old is right now, but come deer season, he will sit in a deer stand with me for hours. Many days we pass on the deer and watch.I leave my ammo for the shooting range. That time with him? Eternal.
Matt

[ginger1]

Uly, Wise , I am not perfect either. I got some stories to tell that my husband would repeat it for the years to come. he still could not believe what I did.

it was my firstborn. Well, you know how babies are, they pick things up and put them in the mouth. Well, we do have this huge window by the living room, as usual flies gather there. Anyway, my husband and I was there and we saw our firstborn pick up a HORSEFLY and put it in his mouth. I was closer to my firstborn I could have reach him in time and take that horsefly out of his mouth. While my husband on the background panicking, I froze.

I was thinking EEEEWWWWW, I do not want to touch that !!! he swallowed it. My husband looked at me and said why did you not take it out !!??? I said its disgusting !!! I do not want to touch it ! Anyway, its protein !

If that would have been poison , of course I would have done something....

[wiseasaserpentgentleasadove]

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gifMan, Ginger! That is too funny! I'm trying to think about what I would have done...finger sweep in the mouth, or just eeeewwwww and do like you did. Your firstborn would do well on Survivor! (Or fear factor!)

[miltietoast]

it is not what goes in a baby that defiles it

[ginger1]

I would love to have those bumper stickers but I lived to close to San Francisco Ca. ... Too many hippies...You never know what they do to your car once park in their territory.

Guns would have been ok in another state, but in california.. especially here.... Geez, I do not want to get in trouble with the law...

[ginger1]

Hubby's favorite chick flick = You got mail. Tom Hanks. Reason : he played her like a dog.

Remind you of anybody ?

[ginger1]

WISE - we need a humor section. people can post their funniest experience in their life.

We are people, People do makes mistakes. And we just brought humor out of them. That insecurities is certainly gone.