Recommended movies for EveryNation reform amp recovery

[philiprosenthal]

RECOMMENDED MOVIES FOR EVERYNATION REFORM & RECOVERY

I would like to recommend the following movies for helping with His People/ EveryNation reform and recovery - please add more.

* 'Luther' - Excellent example of a reformer becoming progressively disillusioned with the religious system and daring to challenge a hypocritical and abusive church with the truth. Many similarities between EveryNation and Roman Catholic church authorities methodology apparent.

* 'The Passion' - Expecially Jesus abusive interrogation by the High Priest. I found it very comforting to be reminded my Lord went through the same and worse abuse than we ever will at the hands of abusive relgious leaders.

* 'The visual Bible: Gospel of John & Matthew' Particularly Jesus confrontation of the Pharisees and throwing the money changes and animal sellers out of the temple. Great inspiration for us. The acting is better in Johns gospel. Yes we can read this in the Bible, but somehow I found the movie brought it more alive and immediate.

* 'Shattered Glass'. True story of an American Magazine, which slowly realises that one of its journalists 'Glass' is making up his published stories. As they investigate he constructs elaborate deceptions to cover up - till it is all exposed.

I saw Speakword recommending the movie 'Crooked E' on the Enron scandal. Haven't seen it myself. Maybe he can tell us more.

'Lord of the Rings' I won't really recommend because as much as I watched had occultic elements. But the theme I found very relevant to EveryNation-His People was that of 'power corrupts'. The character of the people changes as they come into contact with the 'ring' which symbolises power. Good people become evil. Even the hero who seeks to dispose of the ring almost becomes corrupted by it. I feel this parallels the way I've seen formerly good people corrupted by power. It's a danger that faces all of us - and something that has tripped up so many Christian leaders - especially in His People-EveryNation.

[philiprosenthal]

Another one:
"A man for all seasons" - Old 1950s movie about Thomas Moore, a senior government official in the court of Henry VIII. Henry gets compromised church leaders to bless his adulterous divorce and remarriage. One man refuses to give his blessing. Henry VIII uses every tactic he can think of including flattery and threats and manipulation of friends to try get Thomas Moore to compromise. Thomas Moore refuses. Eventually he gets tried and beheaded.

Reminded me a lot of the flattery & intimidation tactics His People uses to try get people to compromise and go along with them.

[j2theperson]

And I recommend the Harry Potter movies. Not because they have great morals to them or anything, but simply because it would cheese EN leaders off.

[jbkrems]

Harry Potter is EVIL and wicked.

Thereby, I unrecommend them.

[ginger1]

Its not what goes in that makes us evil. Its what comes out. So I would say watch anything you want, just do it in good conscience.

[jbkrems]

Ginger,

I respectfully disagree. As my good friend Rich Burkholder says, "We are a product of what we listen to and watch."

Watching/listening to Harry Potter, just like anything else that deals with witchcraft and the like, is not spiritually healthy.

[mdillon]

I TRIPLE-DOG recommend Harry Potter since J2's recommendation was unrecommended because I too would like to "cheese off" the EN leaders(thanks J2).

md

(Message edited by mdillon on July 16, 2006)

(Message edited by mdillon on July 16, 2006)

[ginger1]

I guess Jesus lied again. Quite frankly my kids does not watch Harry Potter. Nor read his books. As I said, its all a matter of conscience. If one conscience said its OK, go ahead. but if one is not, don't. I know some kids who watch them and they turn out fine .

Its the same thing as in EN, "don't let your kids go to public school ,It's like sending them to the devil"

I turned out fine going to a non christian school. As Jesus said, its what comes out thats evil, not what goes in.

I turned out great also . growing up in a Buddhist family.

[ginger1]

Romans 14:1-5

1Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.

2For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.

3Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

4Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

[wiseasaserpentgentleasadove]

Harry Potter is EVIL and wicked.

i have to agree with you on this one, JB!!!
My son, who is now 8, while we were at a local bookstore (booksamillion) at the young age of 4 walked way up to the front desk by himself and asked them to change the movie b/c he is not allowed to watch Harry Potter. I thought "#1. how bold of him at such a young age (i pray he continues to make stands for the right things..) and #2. Wow, I am doing something right.

Can't allow it!

[j2theperson]

Apparently, my last recommendation met with some resistance, therefore, I would like to make a new one by suggesting any or all of the Columbo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbo) movies. Lieutenant Columbo is untidy, scatter-brained, drives an old beat up car, wears a battered raincoat instead of a blue blazer, has a glass eye (where's your faith Champ?), and only made $11,000 a year, but he always caught the bad guy.

[wildwood_]

Hi Phil...Hi don't know you, but suddenly I have a mental image of me just getting my daughter to sit down, eat her dinner at the table, in fact there are adults right beside her... I go back to the kitchen to get some milk and I hear noises, trouble, I dash back .... Food's flyin' around... the adults look like deer in the headlights, my daughter is eating quietly. Bang head against wall. Wonder what Jesus thought about the disciples sometimes... personally, I believe He'd do what I did...just quietely step back and laugh until I cried.

As you may or may not know, I still I'm not sure if I was or was not MCM/EN or what. I do know that I have been with leaders who could not lead because they thought "leading" met to rule instead of to be a servant. And I've read on this board that they use a term "Green Berets" and speak of being mighty warriors for the Lord.

SERIOUS ANSWER to thread question:

Then "The Green Berets" 1960's John Wayne and "We Were Soldiers" Mel Gibson.

Soldiers do not join or serve for the paycheck. American Soldiers do not serve Kings...but will stand their ground and die for their "buddy"...and if by chance they survive...you'll never hear them brag one time, or even accept a "Thanks". They'll say "It's my job". The Lord may have some Leaders like that standing quietly already serving in EN...I don't know. I pray that the Lord has them in every part of His Church Family.

[dust]

We just saw CLICK....not religious at all, but has a good point.
Adam Sandler.

[dust]

ORDER ALL and any short 10 minute videos from Nooma.
NOOMA.com

One of them is called DUST and was the inspiration for my name...it was the first one I saw and cracked open some freedom for me.

[ginger1]

Wise, Those EN leaders should learn a lesson from your son. First of all, you do not need somebody to watch you all the time if you are doing the right thing. Because these EN leaders are NOT ABLE TO DO THE RIGHT THING WHEN NOBODY IS WATCHING.

Second, you are a GOOD MOM.

[dust]

Time Changer is really good. Message: You can't legistlate morality.

[wiseasaserpentgentleasadove]

Hi ginger!
Thanks! that was a word of encouragement! At times I feel like I'm way to strict on my children, but, I am determined to steer them in the right direction.

You are right about what you said about EN leaders not doing the right thing when no one is watching. At first, when I nearly freaked out at booksamillion that day b/c I couldn't find my 4 year old son for a split second, after I realized what he decided to do on his own, I couldn't discipline him for not telling me ahead of time what he was about to do.

O.k. A good movie...I just love Steel Magnolias. I crack up each time I see it...Just like it b/c laughter is the best medicine. We just saw Eight Below. You will cry, and be happy..After being depressed for so long, any movie that makes me laugh would be one that I would recommend

[ginger1]

Wise, we are opposite then LOL ! I am too liberal with my children. My husband is the strict one.

Good movie, the new one that came out. Good night and good luck.
It's about Senator McCarthy, who would create stories and label them as communist.Bullying people. Anybody who go against him are labeled as communist. The media had it and start confronting him of non existence of evidence.
Remind me of us , EN and Factnet.

[cupatea]

I think Train Spotting would be a great one because it shows not only the control drugs have over a person but also the hellish nightmare of getting free from them. The addictive control of drugs and the mind control of EN are not that disimilar and I'm sure many here can attest the the nightmare of getting free from the clutches of EN.

Sorry if my taste in movies is not everyones cupatea http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/kiss.gif

[dust]

Cup
I saw Train Spotting at the movie theatre. That was rough, but I think we need to see things like this....and get an understanding of the human condition.

[dust]

I am David (with Jim Caveziel)

A GREAT movie and family can watch.

We follow David on his solo journey of escape from a brutal communist labor camp to a land very vague in his mind, Denmark. Almost every scene in this film is like a painting. Beautiful sweeping vistas (in Bulgaria) that we share with David in sharp contrast to the horrifying memories of life in the labor camp, that haunts him. Those that helped him escape gave him one primary rule: don't trust anyone!

[matt_hatter]

Wildwood said: Then "The Green Berets" 1960's John Wayne and "We Were Soldiers" Mel Gibson.

We would share an extra large popcorn wildwood. Then we would watch the whole DVD series of Band of Brothers. I read both 'Band of Brothers' and 'We Were Soldiers Once...and Young" at least twice through each year and will watch these movies at least once a year. Real leadership that EN could learn some real lessons from.

We take a lot of heat around the world but the essence of our military is summed up in this:
"American Soldiers do not serve Kings...but will stand their ground and die for their "buddy"..."
Wildwood post 38

Matt

[coppertree]

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Hi all-_I thought for this for another thread, "King of Hearts " with a young Allan Bates, the Scottish actor. The movie is set in France WW1, and about a bomb that fell frightened the towns people away. When this happened, towns people fled, leaving the asylum residents to people the now unpopulated town.
This film can be seen in many ways, some saw it as an anti-war film, some just good company and comedy. It was for me, a bit about how we see each other, and a switch for different view, which can be helpful. And asylum, can also mean , a place of safety, ;refuge.}

[miltietoast]

Second Hand Lions-mom dumps her boy on to grumpy old men(uncles) He lives through rejection and grows up with character. My favorite movie of last few years.

[mdillon]

movie you've all seen but see it again:

Rod Parsely = Rice Broocks starring in "The Nutty Professor"



md

[matt_hatter]

I agree Militie. Dillon, I don't know about the Nutty professor, but The Evil Genius looks like his sordid experiment is holding together.....

[jbkrems]

Hi folks,

Time Changer is a good movie.

Rod Parsley does not equal Rice Broocks starring in "The Nutty Professor," that just does not make sense and is insulting towards Pastor Rod.

[philiprosenthal]

Thanks guys for movie reviews. Remember to explain how the movie links with EveryNation.

I don't think just because something would irritate EveryNation leaders is a good reason to do it. Thats a rebellious attitude - and can get you into trouble. If they tell you not to jump off a tall building, will you jump, just to spite them? The Bible must be the authority - not for or against EN. I haven't watched Harry Potter, but I am told it glamorises witchcraft - not spiritually uplifting.

Also, the idea that you can't legislate morality is false. All law is legislated morality. It is just a question of whose morality you are legislating. People who say such things usually mean you can't legislate Christian morality - but then they seldom object to the politically correct imposing their ideas on others.

[forword]

More specifically, if memory serves, the point of Time Changer is that it is pointless, even harmful, to preach morality...rather we should preach Jesus. If you preach morality, the result is EN... control, abuse, etc. Also, without the biblical standard, it is all relative.

When you preach Jesus, then people get saved and the Holy Spirit goes to work on their heart. Morality comes with the internal working of the Holy Spirit, not from brow beating. (Speaking of which Phillip.... oh never mind)

Anyway, the point was made in a very fun and creative way and the movie was well done, unlike so many Christian movies that are just lame.

[speakword2004]

Well, both my wife and I have isolated our boy from watching Harry Potter. Most of them are a bit scary for a 5 year old. When he is old enough, I will teach him what witchcraft is and then he can watch and learn all about it. I must say that I actually found the Harry Potters very entertaining and can see how they appeal to kids. It is not withcraft that is the hook, but rather the fun, adventure and cameraderie in the movie. Very interesting. Witchcraft is one of the uinderlying themes.

As to 2nd Hand Lions . . .enjoyed that, but would that be Miltie and Matt sitting on the porch? And is Krems coming to live with you?

[philiprosenthal]

No Sorry Forward. Part right, but not all right.
We need to preach Jesus to help people get saved. We need to preach also morality so people know what is right and wrong. Otherwise they won't think they need salvation at all. Or if they do get 'converted', they will live wicked lives. Jesus upheld the moral requirements of the OT law. Moreover the law does have a good effect even on the wicked - in that it creates fear of judgement and educates them. So here with EN leaders who have little conscience - at least they fear getting exposed on FactNet - so they will abuse less. Therefore we must preach both morality and Jesus.

[miltietoast]

As to 2nd Hand Lions . . .enjoyed that, but would that be Miltie and Matt sitting on the porch? And is Krems coming to live with you?comeon forward think about it. At best krems would be one of the salespeople or at worst he would be the boy's new beau who almost becomes Purina lionchow.I will share a rocker on the front porch with mattie anyday.My mind wanders rocker /rolling rock ....

[miltietoast]

oops was speakword not forward sorry

[wiseasaserpentgentleasadove]

grumpy old men

[miltietoast]

you know us so well wad my kids call me walter matheau in grumpy old men, rae ann accuses me sometimes also

[wiseasaserpentgentleasadove]

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/lol.gif

[miltietoast]

you know us so well wad my kids call me walter matheau in grumpy old men, rae ann accuses me sometimes also

[john_r_jones]

Friend of mine overheard him with his agent basically saying get me a film ya friggin' moron I gotta payoff a bookie.
John

[wiseasaserpentgentleasadove]

Hey, John, are you really in the entertainment industry? Are you really planning on moving to L.A. (I know, you want to be closer to that conference!)

[jesusisawesome]

Les Miserables. Excellent portrayal of grace vs. legalism.

[jesusisawesome]

J2: And I recommend the Harry Potter movies. Not because they have great morals to them or anything, but simply because it would cheese EN leaders off.

Mdillon: I TRIPLE-DOG recommend Harry Potter since J2's recommendation was unrecommended because I too would like to "cheese off" the EN leaders(thanks J2).

JIA: You guys are cracking me up! LMBO! I wonder how many deliverance sessions EN would put you through for that?! http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/lol.gif

[john_r_jones]

Can't you tell?
I sit around and cook-up this shhht. I'd just like to get paid...well for it.
WAB-Wantalotmorepaybunny.

[jesusisawesome]

2nd Hand Lions . . .Miltie and Matt sitting on the porch . . . LMBO!

[sameo]

OK, don't hate me for loving TOPGUN!

I love the comaraderie between the guys fighting for their life...and being good at what they do. I think much like we've become on here, we've been to battle together, and now safe, we pat each other on the back, cutting up, being serious when needed...watching each other's back, and sometimes disagreeing,...but the comaraderie is a great thing. We have alot of strong spiritual war veterans in here.

My favorite line is "You can be my wing man anytime." "Bull <font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font><font color="ff0000">•</font>, you can be mine!"

Gotta love that!

Same-O

[dust]

PHillip: Or if they do get 'converted', they will live wicked lives.
DUST: I am so adamantly against this for so many reasons. But, we need a different thread and we need to be clear what we are saying when we say, "preach" morality. You really need to understand that you are NOT the Holy Spirit, and your control factor has a real flesh tone to it. A true conversion doesn't produce a wicked life. But, a pastor perverting his power over the life of another is quite wicked!

[sameo]

oops! this didn't really pertain TO EN directly but to those who have left there. SOrry.

sameO

[miltietoast]

My favorite line is "You can be my wing man anytime." "Bull ••••, you can be mine!"
sameo you and your hubby can share our porch anytime.Bring your own gun and bev of choice.

[miltietoast]

My favorite line is "You can be my wing man anytime." "Bull ••••, you can be mine!" It is ok sameo, jay is just trying to legislate a little

[miltietoast]

Phil I think you just got dusted

[sameo]

Ahh, thanks Miltie!! hubby and I would be honored to sit at your porch! We'll bring some good Ky bourbon! hehe

[miltietoast]

sameo rae ann's email mamacunningham@yahoo.com

[mdillon]

JIA: You guys are cracking me up! LMBO! I wonder how many deliverance sessions EN would put you through for that?!

Bring it on. I'll spin RB so fast he'll be speaking out of his earhole.

sameO- you and hubby pick up me and the missus on the way. we'll have the Tn. jack.

md

[sameo]

Thx Miltie-will give Rae Ann a holler!

Mdillon-you got it! We'll be glad to pick ya'll up! :-)

...and don't think I don't know what "red stick" really means! or Mike Andersons'...hehe


same-O

[sameo]

Mdillon:"Bring it on. I'll spin RB so fast he'll be speaking out of his earhole."

OK...that's just funny! "Speaking out his earhole!"

[mdillon]

sameO -...and don't think I don't know what "red stick" really means! or Mike Andersons'...hehe

i know you know

holla if you dare:

markleedillon@hotmail.com

[wiseasaserpentgentleasadove]

YOU are all like a refreshing day in the sun on the beach. The temp. outside is in the mid 70's, there's a light breeze blowing...Are ya feelin it?

[john_r_jones]

As long as the beach is near Gladstones I'm there.
WAB-Where'sabeach?

[wiseasaserpentgentleasadove]

I have a beach seen as my wallpaper on my computer-best thing we have to a beach here on the northshore is the lakefront, and it got a nice beating after the storm!! Alabama is the closest (becides Gulfport) with a decent beach for me. Gulfshores is pretty nice, and will be unless more Katrina's come our way.

[matt_hatter]

Gulfshores is pretty nice

Spend your money in Alabama! Going in a few weeks, actually will be in Seaside FL. I'll give out the address and we can all meet and watch my favorite movie, "Feckless Weapon PT 3: The Mugging of Miltie", starring James Bond Krems.

I'm sure Allie won't mind, but I ain't gonna tell her about it, I'll just make it a surprise.

[speakword2004]

So Miltie, when do we get "the speech"? After the whoopass like in 2nd Hand Lions? Or ala Dr Stranglove at the end?

[j2theperson]

***Phil wrote: I don't think just because something would irritate EveryNation leaders is a good reason to do it. Thats a rebellious attitude - and can get you into trouble. If they tell you not to jump off a tall building, will you jump, just to spite them?***

I hardly think you can equate watching a blatantly fictional movie with jumping off a cliff. There is a huge difference. Jumping off a cliff to spite EN would be crazy. However, watching Harry Potter to spite them would be a pointed way of showing how closed-minded, frightened, and controlling they are.

One of the destructive things about EN is that it was filled with rules that were not grounded in reality and served no purpose but to control the members. Telling people "Don't jump off a cliff; if you do you'll die" *is* grounded in reality. On the other hand, saying "Don't date or else God will not bless you" is not grounded in reality--as is saying, "Don't watch a silly obviously fictional fantasy movie because, eventhough you're an intelligent adult who loves Jesus, the movie's cooties will rub off on you and turn you into a witch."

Also, rebellious attitudes almost always get you into trouble, that's one of the results of rebellion. That doesn't, however, mean that you shouldn't rebel.

[mdillon]

j2-"Also, rebellious attitudes almost always get you into trouble, that's one of the results of rebellion. That doesn't, however, mean that you shouldn't rebel."

thank you for reminding me of Jesus.


EN's witchcraft of abusive leadership, transfer of wealth, man-centered gospel, man-centered worship, idolatry, building the master race of leaderxians, ad-nauseum, makes Harry Potter look like the Davey and Goliath claymation toons from the 60's.

plus EN doesn't serve popcorn.



Again, let's be clear:

EN's witchcraft/priestcraft is more potent than Harry Potter

md

[coppertree]

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Hi All - catching up!
Phil, I like your choice ,' A Man For All Seasons ", as it is about Thomas Moore; although this part of history did give us the Word in English, and protestant church in England a foothold in the world. A Calvinist view would say, that God used that to bring light to England. And I like , also "The Lion In Winter", as view on how mantles transfer; those of us who saw it happen in 1989, would see some as truths as to how human function around power that is being transferred. A timely note here, I think. thanks again.
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[ginger1]

EN's witchcraft/priestcraft is more potent than Harry Potter


MD - Amen to that !

[john_r_jones]

Down Periscope
Father Goose
The Bishop's Wife-original version with Carey Grant
The Christmas Carol-Patrick Stewart version
The Muppet version is great too, we watch it on Christmas Eve. Our warped family noticed the scene where "Beaker" flips off Scrooge.
The Station Agent-a quiet little film
The Green Mile
Shawshank Redemption
The Magdelene Sisters

In the States if you can afford it get Dish Network and the Voom HD package and watch Gallery HD and Equator HD, with some World Cinema thrown in, also PBS HD. The stuff they show is redeeming, I mean make your innards soar redeeming.
John

[robert_unknown]

- "The Firm"

[philiprosenthal]

Guys. Thanks for all the posts, but please could you explain why you are recommending a particular movie - i.e. what the connection with EveryNation is - as I have done in the first post. Thanks. I need motivation as to why I should watch the movie you recommend. Otherwise there are other movie review sites on the net.

[40days40years]

Fargo would be a great movie for EN leaders at all levels to watch, it is violent at times though. It is like an Aesops fable X 5. Lots of differant messages warning against greed, creating and unleashing monsters you can't control, the end justifies the means, bending the rules, coverups, creating the problem that destroys you, power, domination. Messages about being content, not being greedy, not being prideful. The father in law who owns the car dealership and the son in law who runs the dealership represent EN/MCM to a tee. Both of these characters are found throughout EN at differant stages in life. This movie is EN at least in regards to leadership.

[dust]

ANYTHING from TYLER PERRY.

MOVIE: Diary of a Mad Black Woman, and any of his plays that have been filmed. ALways a GREAT message, a Christ Message, and simply hysterical. He takes the "religion" out of religion, and he has not compromised. He "missed" having a TV show because he wouldn't compromise talking about Jesus.

[maranatha1984]

I will sound like a broken record

But I suggest 1984...there is a little bit of nudity but for a purpose...1984 pertains to EN- also read the book 1984 and Animal Farm- must read and sees- it is EN writ large...

[john_r_jones]

Down Periscope
A squad of misfits commanded by a Messiah figure given overwhelming odds they use "left handed" power to give themselves in the service of their country.

Father Goose
Cary Grant is cast aginst type in this his last film role as a reluctant Father figure. A recluse who's weathering the war in a Chris Craft motor launch gets his life turned around, and around, and around. I'm told this movie resembles me and my little flock.

The Bishop's Wife-original version with Cary Grant
We get what we pray for: Great monuments to man's egocentrism pale in comaprison to the gift of grace in this angel's regard for all the great and the small.

The Christmas Carol-Patrick Stewart version
This movie is a pet project of Stewart's he has done a one-man show of this production for years. The bleak opening is gripping, I have to turn-up the thermostat just because of the chill of lonliness. The redemption of all of us is told in this well crafted tale.

The Muppet version is great too, we watch it on Christmas Eve. Our warped family noticed the scene where "Beaker" flips off Scrooge.-'Nuff said

The Station Agent-a quiet little film.
The star of this film is a Midget(Not the politcally correct term) but the actor relies on his consumate skill to portray the role of a loner who becomes reluctant savior to his friends.

The Green Mile
Death row inmates give us the feel of humanity given a death sentence and what each one of us does with it, guards included. The Messiah figure is an African American actor who has become an accomplished industry figure today. Second plot line and there are several, is the weight of eternity on mortals.

Shawshank Redemption
"Andy Defrane is my friend", the prison story is laced with biblical realities; one I find truly fascinating is the discovery of the pearl of great price under a tree which in turn becomes bus fare to freedom.

The Magdelene Sisters
This is a true story and gives the hideous reality of legalism a face you won't forget.

One last Film:
Calendar Girls
The true story of how a bunch of Yorkshire housewives took it all off and took on death and gave it a poke in the eye.

In the States if you can afford it get Dish Network and the Voom HD package and watch Gallery HD and Equator HD, with some World Cinema thrown in, also PBS HD. The stuff they show is redeeming, I mean make your innards soar redeeming.

The art history and scenery of the world in HD give me hope for our future and I learn something every time I find myself there. DaVinci was an illegitmate child, his art reflects the irony of the life of a much sought after master of questionable lineage which I'm sure He sees in Jesus and his imperious not quite there smirk of the Mona Lisa.
John

[wiseasaserpentgentleasadove]

John,
Good to see you finally complying with Philiprosental's requests! lol I almost needed 2 cups of coffee to get through THAT post! (sorry, philip-i don't have another movie to add right now.)

[ummm_yeah]

Office Space ... but really, everyone should watch that one. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif

For anyone who complains on this board against a leader: Monty Python's Holy Grail -- especially the part where the angry mob brings an alleged witch to the gallows. In this scene, she argues that she's not a witch, and they question her innocence.

Sir Bedevere: But you are dressed as one
The Witch: *They* dressed me up like this!
Crowd: We didn't! We didn't...
The Witch: And this isn't my nose. It's a false one.
Sir Bedevere: [lifts up her false nose] Well?
Peasant 1: Well, we did do the nose.
Sir Bedevere: The nose?
Peasant 1: And the hat, but she is a witch!
Crowd: Yeah! Burn her! Burn her!
Sir Bedevere: Did you dress her up like this?
Peasant 1: No!
Peasant 3, Peasant 2: No!
Peasant 3: No!
Peasant 1: No!
Peasant 3, Peasant 2: No!
Peasant 1: Yes!
Peasant 2: Yes!
Peasant 1: Yeah a bit.

I know there have been people who've gone corrupt, and a lot of people have been hurt. But before you bring someone to the "gallows" and hang them on this board, please make sure you have something substantial and aren't operating out of a victim mentality and bitterness toward authority in general. If you have evidence, that's one thing. A negative perception of someone isn't enough to give them a guilty verdict.

This may come as a surprise, but while there are leaders who've become corrupt, there are good men in EN leadership as well who are sincere and humble. Men in the EN movement who care about their flock. Leaders who are not perfect, but have laid down their lives for the people in their church.

Clearly, God is weeding out the leaders who've abused their authority. And please don't mistake this for being insensitive; if you're among the abused, I feel for you. I'm so sorry that you've been hurt, and I pray that God heals you. I know how it feels; I've been mistreated by individuals as well. But please don't assume that they're all bad. I know a handful who are making a difference in the movement, who are good pastors and leaders. And I fully believe that, if enough people in this movement are humble and submitting themselves to God, He can use it for His purposes. I think He's sifting EN for a reason.

God will judge any leaders who've been in corruption who haven't gotten right. He will deal with them and expose what's been hidden. In the meantime, pray for those who've hurt you, and trust God to vindicate you. Cast your burdens upon Him, because He cares for you. If you've been hurt, please don't carry around bitterness and pain from what you've been through. Give that to God, and receive His grace and healing. If you hold on to your hurt and refuse to forgive, you'll become like those you've held a grudge against. Please don't become guilty of the same condemnation, legalism and judgement that has caused so many problems in this movement.

[wideawake]

Evidences were send. Witnessess came forward. EN leaders ADMITTANCE to MISUSE OF FUNDS to all the EN churches. ADMITTANCE Control and abuse exist.

RESULT : They will do exactly what they are doing before. No changes. NO reform.Even there are evidences, witness and even in their own admittance.

Current Result : Denial. And white washed what was said before.

(Message edited by wideawake on August 16, 2006)

[wisedove]

ummmmmm-
I don't think ANYONE here is operating out of a victim mentality or bitterness towards authority in general! We are no longer victims, but overcomers!! I LOVE authority, and am soooo thankful for not being under this ministry any longer b/c the sins of the leaders trickle down upon the congregation...phew! it's nice to be FREE from that!!!

I agree that God will judge any leaders who've been in corruption...and the judgement will also fall on the sheep who are under their leadership if they also refuse to repent and continue compromising their faith for the sake of their alliance with MAN. <font color="0000ff"><font size="+1">Hosea 4:7-9 The more they increased, the more they sinned against Me; I will change their glory into shame. They eat up the sin of My people; they set their heart on their iniquity. And it shall be: like people, like priest.</font></font>

Are you part of an EN church now? Have you just been reading for the past year and 1/2, for this is only your 2nd post since you registered.

Who are you judging here as ones who are carrying around bitterness and pain from what we've gone through?
Dove

[ummm_yeah]

Wideawake, I am aware of the Bonasso, Broocks, etc. situations and those men are no longer in leadership. I'm not defending them.

What I'm saying (and you'd see this if you read my entire msg) is that yes, there have been leaders who were corrupt, but they are no longer sitting in leadership. If other leaders are corrupt, they probably won't be in leadership much longer. What I'm saying is that not every single pastor in EN is corrupt. It's not fair to paint the entire ministry with a broad brush and stereotype every pastor in the movement.

Whatever changes that haven't happened, God will deal with. God is in control, and He will continue to expose and sift until the corruption is removed.

[freedom43]

john_r_jones recommends: Shawhank Redemption, Greenmile and Calendar Girls.

me: love your taste in movies. I thought all of those were fabulous. Could watch Shawshank Redepmtion over and over. Billy Elliott is another I would put in that category. It's a story about a poor boy in England whose tough, coal-mining father expects him to take boxing lessons, but he is drawn to ballet dancing. Very moving about family relationships, a father's love, expectations, etc.

[ummm_yeah]

Dove,

I can't speak for every leader in EN, but I can say that my pastor is a sincere and humble man. The church isn't perfect, but it's a good one.

And who says I'm judging anyone? I said "if". Please don't put words in my mouth.

What I'm saying is that EN isn't straight out of the pit of hell, as some posters have said. As long as there are pastors who pray for God to change EN, there's still hope for the movement.

2 Chron 7:14 -- "If my people, who are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land."

There may have been corruption in the past, but I believe that the movement is changing and there are leaders who are humbling themselves and praying for revival within EN. I've seen actions taken to change the movement, and I know there will continue to be reform.

[ummm_yeah]

Sorry, I didn't mean to go off on such a long tangent. That was rude.

Back to the main topic -- movies:
Everything is Illuminated
Superman Returns (Brandon Routh is dreamy! Love those blue eyes! http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/kiss.gif)
Citizen Kane
Nobody's Baby (2001)
Russian Ark
Talladega Nights: The Ballad of Ricky Bobby

[ginger1]

ummm.. Actually, they are back in leadership. Rice and Phil Bonasso. They did not actually step down.

[wisedove]

ummmm-
forgive me for implying that you were coming here virtually out of no-where and being judgemental. Perhaps I was the one judging (sp) you..

Here's my thought on any pastor desiring to follow Christ, putting Him as the head of their ministry, and not using the discipleship/shepherding techniques that EN has imposed so strongly in the past...DON'T be affiliated with EN! you don't HAVE to be in EN to be a church in the body of Christ...any judgement that may be coming to this ministry will trickle down....that's my thought.

so, if your pastor is a humble, awesome shepherd who feeds the flock instead of feeding off of them, fantastic! but he doesn't have to remain a part of this ministry. I don't believe it will ever truly change!

[coppertree]

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Hi All-Catching up- I like ummmm-yeah choice in Monty Python.
I suggest to send in the were-rabits from that movie. These famous, ( now because they are on Broadway ) rabbits hunt for guile. If one is with out guile; they are safe. This should help.

[wisedove]

flo-
WOW! what membership status do you get at 2000?!!

[ummm_yeah]

Dove, to say that you don't believe it will ever change comes dangerously close to condemnation. God's grace can change any person/group who is willing to be humble and receive it.

Coppertree, I haven't seen the musical yet; I promise to catch it the next time it comes in town! Also, have you seen those were-rabbit fuzzy slippers? Cute and sick at the same time! I totally have to get a pair!

[flo1151]

Wise,
at 2000 they give you a pinhttp://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/FactLogoSmall.gif then you start back at new member

[ginger1]

umm , I do not deny and never denied that there are good pastors in EN. And some do believe that there are going to be changes, unfortunately not all EN pastors believe them. I do not want to name names who. But I do know a few. They are just waiting what will happen next. thats why they stayed.

Nobody here is against any of the regular Senior EN pastors, just a few who are corrupt, unfortunately also they are in EN leadership. We are making everybody aware who are the corrupt pastors. We do name names here and what they did. And nothing was done.

And I have repeat it several times before, Only Garry Senna is clean in the US EN Leadership.

[ummm_yeah]

Aah, but do they give you a pair of were-rabbit fuzzy slippers?

[flo1151]

ummm,
No that is what they give girls.

[wisedove]

ummm-I guess I need forgiveness now for being judgemental AND condemning!!!

History proves that it hasn't changed with several attempts at it in the past..history will tell, and time will tell.....If there is not true repentance and a radical about face, well, we will just have to see.

very funny, flo!http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/FactLogoSmall.gif

[ummm_yeah]

Back to the movie topic:

This is more of a music video than a movie, but there's a cover of "Baby Got Back" floating around on the Internet called "Baby Got Book." (http://www.devilducky.com/media/25512/)
If anyone coming out of a religious atmosphere needs a good laugh, I highly recommend that one!

"My Bible study don't want none unless you've got BOOK, hon!"

[j2theperson]

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umm wrote: Dove, to say that you don't believe it will ever change comes dangerously close to condemnation. God's grace can change any person/group who is willing to be humble and receive it.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
So now simply stating an opinion is condemnatory. Duly noted.

All she said was that she didn't think EN will change. I agree. EN might change for the better, but I find that highly unlikely. Frankly, it would take a miracle to change EN, and I think that says a lot of about EN's foundation and structure. How many other "Christian" organization need God to supernaturally alter them to make them line up with His heart. They ought to be lined up with His heart already--that's a fundamental part of being a Christian organization.