Global Conquerors can save the world

[ageeh]

Throughout my 26 years of life experience and reading of thousands of books, I have learned that there are people who desirely rise to their generational leadership and win the multitudes' favour, later lead such nation into apostacy.

Most of such people rise for the occassional challenges fight through while sacrificing even their own lives and families. Some examples are men like Abraham, Israel, Joseph, David, Solomon and many other biblical icons. Even in political arena we have people like Mandela, George Bush, Tony Blair, Mugabe, Netenyau, Sharon, Thabo Mbeki, etc.

These people all had the odesity to sacrifice some civilian privilages put their lives in serious danger and later received leadership roles from those civilianary multitudes. It is in their actual leadership roles that one begins to realise their real being and their disregard for human life.

I really would like to show in detail how such individuals mess up and die leaving a legacy of national apostacy like :
1.Abraham sinning like Adam by having sex with his mistress who bore him Ishmael whose children are upto today tormenting Israelites and everyone else.

2. Jacob-Israel He stole his brother's enheritance and lived a life of theft which precipitated to all his children up to today Israelites still still economic activities "they shall own the gates of the nations"

3. Joseph actualised a dream that his grand-father Abram saw, where God told him he would have his children in captivity 400 years in Egypt. his wisdom and dream of having his parents and his brothers bow to him was an entry into a land of persecution and attrocities worse than 'the hollacost'. His dream was a key to Israel's affliction for 400 years. I'm sure had his brothers known that they would have killed him and not sell him away.

3.Mandela; in south africa he's known to be a hero of liberation but is that true? Since his release from prison Zulus have since been in conflict with Xhosas. The freedom or democracy he fought for has led to over 5.5million HIV infections in SA. More young men are being recruited into the ANC legalised homosexuality, girls ae aborting potential software developers and researchers who could find a cue for HIV.

5. George Bush; the man rose to the occassion as a threat to terrorists among Americans, but in actuall fact he is the Catalyst for the manufacturing of terrorists as he calls them. He has porlarised the global community into the coalition of the willing and the axis of evil. The world is experiencing the worse hatred and resistance towards Americans by those in the axis of evil camp.

All these leaders are not different from the seasonal charismatic church leaders who seasonally get into fassion, sin and hibernate and another one rising behind the fall of other preachers.

The world is sick and its solution lies in the knowledge of Global Conquerors, these are not huma hunters or enslavers but people living in justice, living their daily life to the benefit of those around them,people who have no enemy but burning in their hearts is the purpose for existence of humankind. Dominion over plants, waters,planets,animals,minerals, and every creation except another human being.

[lablady2]

Huh?

[ageeh]

Why Huh Lab?

This is a deep matter that may appear to you as philosophical. Did you know that God created man to reign over creation but man. Israelites demanded for a King from Prophet Samuel. They afflicted him deeply till God intervened by responding to their demand

God mentioned a powerful principle that almost all leaders disregard due to their ambitions; He said in the begining He created man to serve him so that He God can be men's King and men can be His people.

But God hearkened to to their shallow minded attutude and actually told them of the pain and enslavery the king would subject them to.

A parallel picture is drawm on the issue of Spiritual leaders like Paul Daniel, Bob Weiner, Jimmy Swaggard, Bill Bennot, Ray Mac Caley Keneth Copeland, Rice Brooks etc they assume a role of leadership over the church. If one is spiritual enough to hear the Holy Spirit, you will know that Jesus said the Hspirit will teach, console, and lead us. The role of any member of a congregation is rather edifying the church with their spiritual gifts such as pastoralhood, prophecy, teaching, tounge speaking & interpretation etc. There is no where God says one will become a boss in church. Even the deacons and Bishops Paul mentioned in Timothy's letter are supposed to be servants of the church not bosses.

The Global Quencorors concept is not a knew philosophy or idea it is the very purpose God created each one of us for. Like people will not believe that at 26 one can still live as a virgin, because of their reality not God's reality. Similarly people don't believe in a world without a leader or a boss, but with God as our King. Imagine a church without a boss or senior pastor.

Now let's speak Godly

[lablady2]

Oh, you want to speak Godly? Well, you probably have the wrong chick.

Your idea of speaking Godly seems to be debating religious matters. My way of speaking Godly is by "doing." Deed above creed, you might say.

Feed somebody. Clothe somebody. Teach a kid to read. Give an elderly person a ride to the grocery or the doctor.

People have been and will be debating religious issues until the cows come home, and I can't see that the world is all that much better for it.

Talk is cheap. The world is going to hell. Do something real.

[robert_unknown]

"There is no where God says one will become a boss in church. "

since Kain man wants to center power around himself. Its a principle of the fallen man. Lost trust in God, because of the broken relationship with the ONE. therefore man wants to "take controle".

the tower of Babel was another attempt to unify the people of the world under one man rather then under one God. Man wants to be God.

Its the humanistic and in fact antichristian philosophy of the world.

the SCHOCKING thing is when this philosophy gets embrassed by certain individuals in the church, how abuse their gifts and their charisma to deceive hundrets or thousands of believers, and draw them away from Christ to follow a man made vision or to serve man made goals.

God does not bless this! material wealth is not always a sign for Gods blessing! the Stones also are "blessed" materialy. also is marilyn manson.

i have my doubts when people who have a record of abuse and sin like some you mentioned, and like some i dont mention again, get "blessed" materialy!

[ageeh]

<font color="0000ff">Well I have reservation too cauz there are reasons behind every deed or action; God has since set some principles that have become his guiding rules of the creation. One of those is working, have heard of work was ordained before fall. God gave Adam a set of tools to use to keep and rule the earth. One of them being work, unfortunately that work has thru ages included abusing others, such as slavery and in our case Pastor/Bishops/Apostles'EN' subscribing the new kind of work that they call full-time ministry. They as far as utilizing scriptures such that in Acts where Apostles said they shouldn'd concentrate on civilian matters such as distributing food, but that they focus on teaching/preaching the word of God. It is known scripturally that such Apostles like Paul were tent-makers, fishers and farmers.

If Jesus lived and slept preaching does it mean Pastors have a right to claim our tithes as their full-time employment salary...No No No!!!
They must obey God and go to work any how as their talents dictate...they are lazy...Paul says such busy bodies must be denied food.

I know the Global Conqueror notion may be weired to siome of you but it is the ultimate solution as God initially planned. I have a study and a written book on this due to be published soon.

Ageeh!</font>

[ulyankee]

Hi ageeh, thank you for posting. How would you compare your Global Conqueror theory with that of what is commonly known as Kingdom Now or Dominion Theology?

[youngnmighty]

hi ageeh

i'd like you to explain when the Zulus fought with the Xhosas? And then when you've explained that, explain how Mandela made this happen.

I'm deeply fascinated by your racist and ignorant re-writing of South African history. (You've just invented a whole conflict that never happened- great education to the international community on Factnet)

I can't believe you put Mandela in the same category as Bush and Blair.

I'd also like you to explain why the Nelson Mandela Childrens gives so much money to children who've lost parents to HIV/AIDS if he's part of this massive loss of life.

And pray to explain how it is that the ANC government caused HIV to become a problem when in fact it was ignored by the apartheid government from the 1980s. Hence it became a problem to the new SA - which you seem to be a part of.

You're such a typical new south african whinger. gotta find issues with a black non-christian government, even if you have to invent them.

and just so you know, i embrace the moffies, i'd rather have then than Christian Nationalism Fascist NP.

(Sorry Factnet regulars, can't allow u to be miseducated)

[philiprosenthal]

Youngnmighty. I think you misjudge ageeh, including his race. You may disagree with him, but please lets be respectful of eachother.

His comment that Mandela was responsible for the legalisation of abortion and homosexuality in South Africa is accurate. As far as I remember both occured in 1996. Nevertheless, I would suggest we focus on the main theme rather than the details of his points above. i.e. that often heroes disappoint us.

[youngnmighty]

Phil, it's not a specific race that makes 'racist' statements. Sorry for taking the topic "off topic", it doesn't serve anybody good to make grand sweeping and incorrect statements to make a point for christianity.
I didn't mean to be harsh to Ageeh. Sorry.

My observation is that there is a 'blame-the-new-SA govt-for-all-the-immorality' discourse in this country - it is a racist discourse.

I didn't ask him/her to correct the statements on abortion, i asked him/her to explain the other stuff they invented.

So far Nelson Mandela hasn't disappointed me. He's not god, but he is better than most leaders alive today. These dramatic sweeping statements saying that leaders lead their nations into "apostasy" - my god, you'd think that SA was not an apostate state before given the blasphemous system that was prayed for and supported in the name of Jesus in the past.

given our history, if i have to choose, i honestly choose a state that lets gays do what they want coz the alternative is too scary - a country where being gay is illegal is just really scary.

Bush doesn't disappoint - he is doing just want his dad wanted him to.
Blair disappoints.

[ageeh]

Global Conquerors are merely people who are Godly at heart following His word at every instant of their Lives. Unlike Revolutionary leaders like Madela, J.F Kennedy, Osama Bin Laden, Heorge Bush etc who are reactionarists. For instance, Mandela is a product of apartheid outside it there's no Mandela. He attained his glory from his revolutionary, reactionary and struggle against an unGogly government. He himself did not habor God's purpose of liberty for the human race. Remember it doesn't mean that if a government or individual uses christianity or the bible to justify an evil act makes God's Kingdom abusive like EN/MCM etc.

For the point on Kingdom/Dominion principle, yes I obey God's word that we as human race must take our position of dominion over our world "creation" excluding other human beings.

Philip, could you enlighten me about the participation of christian in democratic governments? We have born-again christians who believe one can take God to the parliament or the ANC through membership of such. I find it difficult to believe in my heart that God can actually call someone to politics or governance.
The very secular governments sunction christian on homosexuality. I was personally given a suspened six months exclusion sentence from Wits University as a result of a poster I published on campus with the following statements ' The Hell of sharing a room with a gay in men's residence'. I was labelled a begot by Wendy Orr the director of Transformation then. I was then called to S.A fm and 702 radio for interviews where a lot of gays bashed me but one particular gay guy conceded my facts and agreed that gays shouldn't be sharing rooms with other men since it was similar to having a boys share a room with a girl. This month we have heard of lauch of a gay hotel and homosexuals clinic in south africa, if these where exclusively heterosexual clinic and hotel we would have heard gays bashing the idea as backward and homophobic.
Do u guys remember God's position on the demand of enacting a King for Israelites? he told Samuel that He God didn't want Israelites to have a human king but that He God is their King. yet God finally allowed the situation as it happens in our days that churches allow certain spiritual giftings to have authority over the church. An example of this fact is that pastor have invented a spiritusl gift called "senior pastor" not Apostle, Teacher, Prophet, Pastor but 'Senior Pastor'. they abuse christians thru centralisation of Godliness. That God speaks thru them and the rest must sit and listen to them.

The Mandela story; He has become a hero of apartheid struggle but in actual fact he did not have any idea where he wanted to take South Africa. Just unlike Moses who knew where God wanted him to take the enslaved Israel. If you can ask Mandela today whether had he known where S.A would be today (HIV,abortion,homosexualityetc) as a result of his involvement in the struggle, I am sure wouldn't care!!!! I sound anti Mandela or ANC but unfortunatley that's not the case cause all I am is a Global Conqueror, a human being taking dominion over the fish, beasts, vegetation, minerals etc not Human beings.

The Global Conqueror knowledge is contained in genesis 1 &amp; 2. The rest of the scriptures are circumstacial events where men were trying to make-up for their mess. All the King David stories, Solomon,etc are merely the same as a roller caster ride, men trying their own devised systems of justice and faith. Remember democracy is not from God, and Mandela fought for it, so Mandela isn't a God made leader but a mere circumstancial man made leader. Without Apartheid there's no Mandela, no Steve Biko, no Thabo Mbeki. But we know that Jesus is a Leader from God who came to deliver the lost authority that Adam lost in Eden.

[youngnmighty]

well Ageeh interesting logic.

apart from adam and eve and sin there's no need for Jesus

[ageeh]

youngnmighty, Jesus was a preconceived plan of God cauz God knew that men would sin before he created him. But one cannot say Mandela or Bin Laden were a plan of God after God led the Euros enslave ad colonise us. The fact is that all the mess we see is a result of men devised methods. If God allows us to colonise or abuse each other it doesn't mean He devised that.

About events such as HIV/AIDS, Homosexuality, all sin are only sub-byproducts of human inventions. I don't mean men created HIV though it could be. I mean peripheral matters such as HIV, Politics, Terrorism etc are for a fallen man. Those who love God and are in fellowship with him only focus their energy on Kingdom life-style that's Dominion over sharks, viruses, vegetaion etc, excluding humabeing.

That's what I mean Young, any way R U south african?

[youngnmighty]

yes i am south african

even if you don't agree with homosexual lifestyle, perhaps you could have just left res. the homosexual community is fragile in this country. gay men and women are beaten, killed and harassed. your poster can't have helped foster love for this group. the constitution protects their right to be gay so the transformation officer was bound by law to protect them and because they are people. a homosexual man is still a man according to law, not a woman or a girl.

imagine a poster today by a black person saying: "the hell of living with a white roommate."

imagine jesus saying;
"the hell of having a prostitute weep at your feet."

"the hell of being approached by the likes of zaccheus the thieving tax man.",

"the hell of living with peter's bad temper",

"the hell of having a bleeding woman touch my clothes"

"the hell of having lepers follow me looking for healing."

"the hell of sinners surrounding me everywhere i go, everywhere i preach."

"Hi, i'm Jesus, the holy one, its hell to share a res room with a homosexual."

we need to recognise that the other person is human first. we've all sinned. even if we disagree with each others lifestyles.

if your roommate was sexually harrasing you that would have been a harrassment issue which you had every right to follow. (did they? i can't imagine why it would be hell to live with the guy otherwise).

[ageeh]

forgive me youngm, I suspect you may not be born-gain. I make this deduction under correction, but no Godly person ever coceives or habor homosexuality. Tell me here, if ombies/dwarfs/meggis discover that they are genetically induced to have sexual attraction to children (under 13yrs) does it mean we need to protect their rights constitutionally to have sexual relationships with minors?

The haboring of homosexuality is very dangerous as it demonstrates falleness nature of man, get me right I am not judging but assessing the matter scripturally. Eph 5:11 says don't mix with immorality/abomination and this means practicing or promoting such. People continue to deceive others using the don't judge me attitude or the Jesus loves us all statement. Indeed god's love for us is new every morning but it doesn't equal haboring or promoting sin. Homosexuality is sin and abomination as Romans 1:11- stipulates.

I can never waist my tome justifying God's word cau I'm not made for that, but I can justify being a Global Conqueror. Anyway you can't compare racial matter with sexual orientation. say 'the hell of sharing a room with a guy in laddies' residence' then that will qualify.

youngmighty what's ur email address if u don't mind.

[lablady2]

Ageeh: Personally, I think you're walking on thin ice when you start telling people that they may not be born again. You are not God; you do not know the heart of a man.

"Dwarfs discover that they are gentically induced..." Geez, I don't know what you're smoking, but I think you might want to spend a little more time in prayer and self-examination before you go out and conquer the globe. Which reminds me....if there is such a thing as a global conquerer, wouldn't that be God? Might wanna come back down your ladder about two steps.

[miltietoast]

Jesus became a global conquerer by laying down his sword and his rights and His life.What do you propose ageeh?

[ageeh]

lablady, I said under correction I suspect...
miltietoast; I propose Genesis 1:26-30. God made us to have dominion over creatures of the earth, sea and atmosphere, does this sound familiar?

That's what we are made to do, not all the junk about 'God called me to politics' we are to work the earth under God's grace. This isn't simple because of the junk we've been pumped with by the so called'senior pastors' or 'men of God' speaking into our lives as prophets or covenant partners such as in EN.

I am sorry to be drawing comparison to EN/MCM cauz it's totally civilian and not Global Coqueror minded. I was a student learder of HP @ varsity where I resigned my duties as I sensed some unGodly duties and ideologies I couldn't subscribe to. I left, and was labelled backslider and stuff though all that didn't matter as God had shown me his intention with my life.

[miltietoast]

ageeh Jesus must have missed that scripture also

[lablady2]

Okay, Ageeh. I hate to do this. Really. But you've forced my hand.

I will not be submitting your name to the elders (or to Chuck Woolery) as a possible love connection. Sorry, babe.

[ageeh]

lablady2, I'm sorry to have pushed U that far.

Jesus did not miss the Global Conqueror notion for a lack of a better word. He came to preach exactly that 'the KINGDOM OF GOD' He always preached the Kingdom of God. The whole matter of preaching the gospel is KINGDOM message. It is the Good News that mankind waited for thru ages. In Isaiah the bible speaks of the Son of God who comes with a Kingdom upon his shoulders.

Jesus has come to reinstate the authority God designed for men 'Dominion over creation' Unlike other preachers who mistakebly interpret the dominion to be subjection of people in various sectors under human beings. When one is dominating over creation, no one gets hurt. I like some scientists who engage in research to dominate creation by having documented knowledge of behaviour and nature of species. I reject scietists who miss God's will on the big-bang, evolution etc.