Primate Corporal Punishment and other antics [Archive]

40days40years

10-09-2006, 09:37 AM

Perhaps God does work in mysterious ways and perhaps the title of this thread is suppose to be what it is? Primate corporal punishment and yes man is a primate. jrj believes in honesty, maybe not brutal honesty but honesty.

In any primate culture there are rules. With horses, chickens whatever, the pecking order per say is in force.

About shunning, sometimes you guys in upper leadership blow me away. Copper you prophesied or gave words or whatever from the pulpit to people and told them that the Lord wants them to leave, you were shunned. You were licking the third rail, next thing zaaaapppp! - Maranatha 84 (a mighty Christian) he stood up to Nick Pappis and acted like he was an equal to him, told him no can't afford that I won't burden my congregation...etc. Again licking that 3rd rail.

You guys are right but you violated primate marantha rules that every one kind of knew within 3 months of joining. To be honest we most likely knew these rules within 3 weeks. Leadership comes in, their decisions trump all those under them, end of discussion. It is like a wolf pack. Ofcourse if leadership told you to do something super evil you could tell them to buzz off but they would never tell you to go rob a bank or whatever. I have been thinking about this stuff for awhile so there it is.

john_r_jones

10-09-2006, 10:07 AM

I sat in Sunday school class today and listened as a struggle was in progress. It consists mainly of dealing with the diminution of our class to 6, maybe eight people on a Sunday or less. Our class size a few years ago was around 40. Some members have moved away, some are themselves teaching other classes and some are serving in a capacity that precludes their participation. Some however just quit coming. One couple E-mailed us that something the pastor said in a summer bible study had been upsetting and they were looking for a new church. One theological wag has said Christians don't get angry they get hurt. The things they get hurt over are the things that make others angry.

I read the posts here in this little part of the world and I have to at least chuckle, the importance of our mission isn't shared by all here. Or the political atmosphere, or the social atmosphere, or any number of issues there’s a difference of perspective and experience. What does seem to be a common thread is gratification. We express our point of view, or counter someone else's point and for a time at least it's gratifying. Frustration seems to me to be the numero uno angst of our time, of which I am a sufferer. I don't get my way, I don't get my way fast enough, if I get my way it doesn't last long enough, others don't seem to like my way.

Sometimes (sometimes?) we codify our way in scripture or experience; sometimes we blame Satan, or some other dark mysterious force for keeping us from getting our way. I've often wondered frankly if the serpent in the garden was really Satan, or human flesh and expediency. Ahhh I could get the job done better if I had the knowledge, they could see my reasoning if I could only make them see-knowledge. I think the tree of knowledge of good and evil stares us in the face daily. The tree of life is a tree of trust, the tree of knowledge of good and evil a tree of grasping. You see our antecedents repeated back to God either a lie or a fundamental misunderstanding "...Touch the tree lest you die". God did not tell them they could not touch the tree just not eat of the fruit of it. Ahh the crafty serpent said you shall surely not die but your eyes will be opened knowing good and evil.

It's amazing to me that in all of the beauty of the Garden of Eden they fixated on this one tree. It may not have even been in the middle of the garden but off to the side or even partially hidden behind something else, who knows. One thing I do know is that self-gratification certainly was is a consequence of that tree.

I'm not standing in a pulpit glaringly accusing, I'm sitting here in your midst confessing this self-gratification mode of life is one I'm addicted to. I'm wondering how productive it is to use my gifts as a human being to not benefit others but to gratify myself, my ego, my insecurities, my lusts and ambitions, my fears. Or to give God glory and not myself. When I say myself I speak of being self important, or attaching some overblown importance to my words or deeds.

As I wrote elsewhere Jesus said, "I am the bread of life", not the crown jewels, the poobah of creation. So do we recognize the fruit of that tree-of life? It might not have been as showy, or large, it may have been spindly, the fruit nourishing but not as exhilarating and intoxicating as the other. Are we in a frenzied pursuit of pleasing ourselves and relieving our frustrations? As a counter I'm glad the act of creation itself is one of patience, of caring, of knowing others intimately, so intimately that the arousal of passions is not merely self gratification. I see this life giving God who has given us the choice to participate in His work of creation, or to grasp for expedience sake the flesh of the fruit of tangibility. For as Jesus put it "Blessed are those who have not seen and yet believed."

John

40days40years

10-09-2006, 10:45 AM

Your bible class going from 40 to 6 sounds like the Auburn ministry. Must suck to be in charge after the creme has been siphoned off and then your blamed for lackluster performance. At least those running that bible class don't have to deal with a disapointed Bob Weiner. LOL sorry I could not resist, that probably caused half of Matties heart damage.

Yeah there is frustration john I got the answers but nobody is buying. Oh well I need a radio show.

Well john are you saying we are posting here to gratify our ego, insecurities, lusts, ambitions, fears. I would say partially yes but this is a cool place to hang out.

john said: I've often wondered frankly if the serpent in the garden was really Satan, or human flesh and expediency.

40: It was a serpent then but humanity is snake bit now so today it is mostly human flesh and expediency. You notice the serpent did not bite the woman but seduced her to make a choice to bite. Normally when there is a serpent involved in a story it is about being bit not about choosing to bite the fruit, free will...etc. New revelation for me, just arrived.

john_r_jones

10-09-2006, 10:47 AM

Here's a link (http://broadmoor-umc.org/templates/cusbroadmoor/details.asp?id=34320&PID=354430&Style=) to the sermon audio from A Wednesday night bible study from our congregation that I think might be helpful in our present circumstances.

John

speakword2004

10-09-2006, 10:58 AM

TIM McGRAW LYRICS

"Drugs Or Jesus"

In my home town
For anyone who sticks around
You're either lost or you're found
There's not much in between
In my home town
Everything's still black and white
It's a long, long way from wrong to right
From Sunday morning to Saturday night

Everybody just wants to get high
Sit and watch a perfect world go by
We're all looking for love and meaning in our lives
We follow the roads that lead us
To drugs or Jesus

My whole life
I've tried to run, I've tried to hide
From the stained glass windows in my mind
Refusing to let God's light shine
Down on me
Down on me

Everybody just wants to get high
Sit and watch a perfect world go by
We're all looking for love and meaning in our lives
There's not much space between us
Drugs or Jesus

Everybody wants acceptance
We all just want some proof
Everyone's just looking for the truth

Everybody just wants to get high
Sit and watch a perfect world go by
We're all looking for love and meaning in our lives
We follow the roads that lead us
To drugs or Jesus

I posted this here this morning and it vanished. Anyway I suppose in a consumerist society people are happy to shop for hurches where they feel untoubled etc. Church became a drug that replaced Jesus at one time in my life. Don't let Factnet drug you away from Jesus either.

speakword2004

10-09-2006, 11:00 AM

Did I type in "hurches"? I would suppose that is a cross between a church and a hutch. Apologies to the Jones.

speakword2004

10-09-2006, 11:02 AM

EVEN GOD ENJOYS A GOOD LAUGH

There were 3 good arguments that Jesus was Black:
1. He called everyone brother.
2. He liked Gospel.
3. He couldn't get a fair trial.

But then there were 3 equally good arguments that Jesus was Jewish:

1. He went into His Father's business.
2. He lived at home until he was 33.
3. He was sure his Mother was a virgin and his Mother was sure He was God.

But then there were 3 equally good arguments that Jesus was Italian:

1. He talked with His hand s.
2. He had wine with His meals.
3. He used olive oil.

But then there were 3 equally good arguments that Jesus was a Californian:

1 . He never cut His hair.
2. He walked around barefoot all the time.
3. He started a new religion.

But then there were 3 equally good arguments that Jesus was an American Indian:

1. He was at peace with nature.
2. He ate a lot of fish.
3. He talked about the Great Spirit.

But then there were 3 equally good arguments that Jesus was Irish:

1. He never got married.
2. He was always telling stories.
3. He loved green pastures.

But the most compelling evidence of all - 3 proofs that Jesus was a WOMAN:

1. He fed a crowd at a moment's notice when there was no food.
2. He kept trying to get a message across to a bunch of men who just didn't get it.
3. And even when He was dead, He had to get up because there was work to do

40days40years

10-09-2006, 11:04 AM

I will check out that link but one thing. When the woman bit she became like the serpent, at least a little. She was not bitten she chose to bite. Hmmmmm gotta think about this one. I don't know where primates come in here. At least the serpent was not an evil monkey I am sure Ginger has lots of chinese monkey stories for us and they are not like an American Curious George.

john_r_jones

10-09-2006, 11:24 AM

Interesting how what I might write is taken or interpreted. The issue in the sermon I posted a link to and the one I've sought to indelicately raise is that the first murder occured between two worshippers. We've all heard various preachers surmise one's offering was more whatever than the other but it could just be that life is at times unfair. In that I invite you to listen to that sermon. Otherwise we are called to live and function in community-I'll be honest with you I've gotten burned in that community a time or two-or three. I was treated unfairly, problem is other times others were treated unfairly either because of me or out of some consequence of me. There's no hidden monkey in the tree anywhere so don't bother looking there.

Jonesy

speakword2004

10-09-2006, 11:26 AM

http://batteredsheep.com/articles.html

Here;s some interesting stuff. Here in Africa we like to batter our monkeys before deep frying, but battered sheep is a new one.

40days40years

10-09-2006, 11:38 AM

Oh man I forgot this in my response to what jrj wrote but he wrote so much so I forgot. jrj : I think the tree of knowledge of good and evil stares us in the face daily. The tree of life is a tree of trust

I was going to make some sarcastic comment about trust and being burned by it. Burned to many times by to many friends, employers....etc. My life is most likely at least half over and I was gonna say to john, whaaaaatttt are you talking about. Trust is for the other side after I cross over. Thanks for reminding me.

Anyway gotta go, speak those jokes are good. Talk to you slackers later. In love! Ginger give us a monkey story.

john_r_jones

10-09-2006, 12:29 PM

I think 40/40 that after we've been burned sometimes over and over we ask what's the point so I understand that. I guess since most of us are in that boat to one degree (no pun intended) or another and are being read and watched by others who've also been burned if we can't care for each other where can that be had? I like to deal with serious issues in a somewhat unserious non-threatening way because I see that being done by Jesus in His parables.

I've been wounded, hurt, angered, numbed, cheated etc., etc. I still participate in church even just this year I've had a dose of same. There are others who are either doing the abuse or control stuff and I seek to deal with that in some fashion but there are also those who're going down for the third time, if anybody can reach folks who're drowning it's us. Maybe baby steps for some but there's a place in this world for comforting those who mourn, fellow mourners do just fine.

John

lablady2

10-09-2006, 01:28 PM

jrj: I hear you. By the time you hit those happy, golden years, it becomes pretty clear that being hurt, angered, numbed and cheated are pretty much just part of the whole experience - in families, in church, in temples, in life in general, evern. For me, the work of God is to be able to get beyond those experiences without anger, hatred, bitterness or despondency and being willing to put it all on the line and do it all over again. As God does with us every day.

lablady2

10-09-2006, 01:36 PM

jrj said: "Interesting how what I might write is taken or interpreted."

I am rofl. Yeah. Almost enough to make you just wanna keep living inside your head (except mine is so crowded with all those voices!).

matt_hatter

10-09-2006, 02:52 PM

40: "LOL sorry I could not resist, that probably caused half of Matties heart damage."

Actually, I think it was the brain damage. Pork Skins and collards with fatback did the ticker in.

Seriously, it was so long ago, until Tikie wrote it all out, it was a distant memory, and a time that has had little effect on my life so many years down the road. Except for one thing: it has given me an example of how NOT to treat people. I hold no bitterness in my heart toward any one, but that will not stop me from speaking out on that false religion of self piety and promotion.

coppertree

10-09-2006, 05:47 PM

Hi All,
I think, Jonesy when you talk about drowning men, I am reminded how profound Leonard Cohen was, as when he said about that is when Jesus came, " when He knew for certain only drowning men could hear Him...".

And I also wonder about the verse that says Jesus's blood was shed before the foundations of the earth that we might share in His glory and grace. That is from Eph.1, the question at hand would be did He know Adam and Eve would fail? He did make provision.}

ginger1

10-09-2006, 05:56 PM

A monkey story - I do have a singaporean friend who gave me this story. She said, they would DRUG the monkey, then bringing the drowsy monkey under the table. Now, their table has holes on it, slip the head to the hole, lock it there, then slicing the monkey's head (don't know how) , then eat the brain. She said this is a delicacy among chinese singaporeans.

They took some americans to this restaurant and they were quite offended.
While the chinese were enjoying eating it.

ginger1

10-09-2006, 06:07 PM

Hubby told me that Chinese are cruel to animals. He said just imagine, go to Hong Kong, they serve you LIVED fish. I mean fry the whole body while the fish alive, then serve it to the table, and the fish is still breathing. The whole body is cooked but not the head. This is just to prove that the fish is FRESH.

By the way, the monkey is alive when they were eating the brain.

Well, I know chinese can be cruel. I am not defending that. But looked at the bright side, it make us interesting.

mdillon

10-09-2006, 07:23 PM

ginger-would DRUG the monkey, then bringing the drowsy monkey under the table. Now, their table has holes on it, slip the head to the hole, lock it there, then slicing the monkey's head (don't know how) , then eat the brain.

I just had a MCM staff meeting flashback circa 1984. sorry, now back to our regular program....

dillyeaux

matt_hatter

10-09-2006, 08:00 PM

Dilly, I am thinking it was Atlanta GA, circa 1980, but I will have to check with my hard drive, TikieTok.

Wow. major hootah session at some elders meeting, in a hotel outside of ATL. Maybe flo remembers. Bob told a brother: "Yes says the Lord, you will no longer BORE people when you speak, but will become a powerful voice for me!" His sweet wife wanted to crawl under a table out of sheer humiliation for her husband. What fun!!!

mdillon

10-09-2006, 09:35 PM

"Primate Corporal Punishment"

hey mattie, I'm trying to get a grip on jonesy's topic here. I know we got rid of spanking in schools long ago, but primates? who would think of such? (hi ricey) so, help me out....is there more than one PETA?

dillyeaux

wildwood_

10-09-2006, 09:59 PM

Hey Mr Dillon! Perhaps it could be taken as a reference to a "Little Corporal" Punishment...Napoleon was short, with visions of grandeur, and had an Army...& although exiled to an Island...kept reaching out to touch somebody until that "Waterloo" event......I've heard mention that height was an issue for some MCM Leaders... ??? Oh, I know that's bad...I happen to have it on very good authority that I'm a "Monkey"...the one wearing a Red Hat; My sister was the "Monkey" in the Blue hat...and we were regularly featured in Bed Time stories and believe me those little monkeys were always in trouble...!

Ginger....Those poor clueless <strike>Americans</strike>, ah I mean the Monkeys, OK BOTH! LOL. I'm remembering why I stopped eating the chinese chicken based dishes when I lived in Hawaii...a strange Haole awareness that although quite tasty...they frequently involved oddly cut bits of what may or may not have been "Chicken" and usually had some squid legs or octopus tentacles tossed in and dangling over the side of the bowl. And Ox Tail Soup...WOW...actually had the Ox Tail clearly visible and intended to be gnawed at the table with gusto...It did taste great, but my self-consciousness was a problem with enjoying it with "gusto" part. Hmmm, reminds me that in a Church setting...I've always been one of those shoulder high-hand-Praisers in Worship too; funny how with both things..."forgetting" what I'm doing seems to work best...I get to enjoy the meat & marrow but also Praise the Lord without looking like there's a gun at my back....

In Hawaii, I came to think of "Chicken" as "Chinese Mystery Meat"; I suppose that could be said of SPAM, "Haole Mystery Meat"....http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/crazy.gif And my lovely, considerate local friends, neglected to mention that Korean Grain Tea (Barley I think it was) was so cleansing to the system...nope, they just let me drink a few cups...did I say "friends"???? ! I still miss the Filipino Lumpia...somehow in South Texas there's not many restaraunts carry it ...if they did, I'm sure it would be called a veggie burrito & served in Chili Sauce... We have found one authentic Vietnamese/Chinese little place...I'm still wary about the chicken dishes... http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

wisedove

10-09-2006, 10:11 PM

o.k. I'm semi-caught up. all of this talk is enough to have me convinced that i am sticking to my american food. I do like the local chinese rest., but i will limit my exposure to that to a couple of times a year, and will pray hard before i order...

wisedove

10-09-2006, 10:24 PM

the worst thing i have ever eaten is squid. I have also had alligator. the worse thing I am eating now a days is the RUMP portion of the roast....

i guess alligator would be up there on the "yuck" list for some of you, so THERE! hehehe

wildwood_

10-09-2006, 11:11 PM

...hey, Dovey...don't you want to know what's in that most American of all Food Groups: Hot Dogs???? Oh, dear...you've thought about it now haven't you...http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/uhoh.gifsee we just need to eat vegetables & fruits...spinach excluded for the moment...
(and just say "NO" to Alligator Meat...but a lovely pair of boots would be fine...matchng purse, too).

JRJ...I am actually thinking about what you've written & appreciated the link to the teaching. I keep getting interrupted while trying to listen to it (My Alligator Loving Child seems to think the computer belongs to her...) but she's going to sleep sometime tonight... Amazing MP3 technology...makes me feel like I'm living in Star Trek..."Boldly Going Where No Rabbit has gone before...".

40days40years

10-09-2006, 11:38 PM

Alligator is pretty tasty I hear. I don't like duck it tastes like pond slime to me I bet if you have duck that has been fed corn it would taste better.

It does seem like chinese will eat literally any type of creature and any part of it. Their eating creatures that I don't even know exist. I heard their markets in China are filled with cages of every animal imaginable. I guess it makes sense if you have well over a billion people to feed you can't be to picky.

Ginger that was not what I had in mind when I asked for a monkey story. If I want to lose weight I will listen to Ginger talk about chinese food practices. The Ginger diet.

matt_hatter

10-10-2006, 01:24 AM

dilly, get a grip dude. I told you...PETA--People Eating Tasty Aninmals. Ginger probably didn't even flinch at "Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom" That eyeball soup----whew! Ginger, President of PETA, MCM/EN ex cult member chapter.

flo1151

10-10-2006, 01:32 AM

I have a t-shirt says "Animals taste good"

flo

lablady2

10-10-2006, 01:37 AM

Hippity D*#N hop!

matt_hatter

10-10-2006, 01:40 AM

Oh well. Flo, I'll say one thing for you dude, no more Mr. Nice Guy. I kinda like it. I'm talking strictly about the shirt, ya know.http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif

flo1151

10-10-2006, 01:56 AM

Lab,
Who talked bad about you over there on that other thread. I still have connections.http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/lol.gifI have one son who can send an unpleasant virus to their computer.http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/lol.gifOr we can just pray for them(the good christian thing)I forgot I'm not a good christian.http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/lol.gif

lablady2

10-10-2006, 01:57 AM

I'm thinking two threads. One titled "Thank Ye, Oh God, That I Am Not a Sinner Like These Others" and "These Others."

Guess where I'll be.

I'm swearin' off the religious stuff. It's ucky.

flo1151

10-10-2006, 02:00 AM

Matt,
I have another t-shirt I got in the virgin islands that says "the beatings will continue till morale improves". Sounds like old Maranatha. By the way thanks for the compliment.
I am very nice still to people I like(which are few).http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/uhoh.gif

lablady2

10-10-2006, 02:01 AM

Flo: It's all good.

The hypocrisy and the high moral tone just gets to me. If you're gonna talk the talk (and tell everyone else to), you'd better walk the walk. Lot's of talk goin' on.

matt_hatter

10-10-2006, 02:07 AM

The Beatles had a good song. I liked it. Something like..." I shoulda known better..." What the hey, its all good. Learned my lesson. Now you put me at gunpoint Lablady. I'll let you borrow the big boy, Steveo's .270 Remington. I will stay put, one way or the other.

OK, just kidding, quit waving that thing around. Really. No don't touch the safety. OK, I'm sittin' down. For real.

lablady2

10-10-2006, 02:13 AM

matt: the religious stuff is crazy making. Sometimes you feel like you just gotta take a crack at it and maybe something will break. Maybe I wish someone had taken a crack at me back in the day. Truth is, they probably did and I probably just kremmed my way back to my craziness.

Deep cleansing breath......

flo1151

10-10-2006, 02:34 AM

I just try to be understanding and forgiving.http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/biggrin.gifTo err is human to forgive divine. I may be close to a perfect primate.

mdillon

10-10-2006, 04:04 AM

flo- may be close to a perfect primate.

its a good thing flo because bad monkeys get whupped around here. i'm still lovin fridays flo, meant to tell you.

labby-Hippity D*#N hop!

hi labby and hippitydamn hop to you!! and welcome back to 'These Others'- we don't evern have to baptize you again.

mattie i'm glad you haven't lost your grip

dillyeaux

sameo

10-10-2006, 04:17 AM

Hello all! My goodness, seems like there's been a
"whole lotta shakin' goin' on in here." haha Oh, dear...stop me. I need help. Sire Jones...what will you come up with next? Lordy.

flo-daddy...I am so proud of you! I read your post on another thread..(I think you know the one) and I am SOOOO greatful I 'get it.' Of course you were um...my pastor once. I couldn't be prouder. (I pray I am one of the 'ones' you do like) <sigh> ;-/ (yes, I am a people pleasin' fool, and I seek your approval)

Labby-thanks for your reply the other day to my post about the Jewish cookbook...o' dear...am on the wrong thread for that-but hey-I'm here...you're here...this book gave alot of history on Jewish holidays, and etc. and on the whole 'cooking with other pots'(kosher option) but I don't get the sense it's restricted to that.(has a great recipe for Bagels)hehe Lots of good stories and food. Big pretty pictures. I'm like a child...love those big colored pictures. :-)

OK....I apologize I haven't read all of your posts here tonight..will catch up soon.

Primate, say whut? hahahaha

lablady2

10-10-2006, 04:20 AM

Eeeewwww. I feel like I need a good, hot bath.

Hootah!

matt_hatter

10-10-2006, 04:25 AM

dilly, somehow I knew sameo would get it.

lablady2

10-10-2006, 04:27 AM

matt: regarding the stuff on the other thread. Don't worry about it. I can't communicate with him because I don't speak the language of Jedi Robertson.

matt_hatter

10-10-2006, 04:32 AM

Flippant comments about kids and ailing parents-enough already. I haven't said anything before because it just makes things worse, and probably shouldn't post this. But what the hell. Been quite a holiday, be glad to get back to work where I only post half as much.

mdillon

10-10-2006, 04:34 AM

dilly, somehow I knew sameo would get it.

????what are you talking about mattie?

hey, you still didn't answer my question----how many PETAs are there in Primate Punishment?

sorry i'm late to take up for you labby (i know you can handle yourself) but I may have scared them over there.

dillyeaux

lablady2

10-10-2006, 04:35 AM

matt said: "Flippant comments about kids and ailing parents-enough already."

Enough already? matt, are you turning Jewish???

What the hell, indeed!

j2theperson

10-10-2006, 04:40 AM

Hey, Laby, for what it's worth I didn't respond to 40/40's original comments to you because by the time I read them you had already responded and I thought you handled the situtation very well (which I did tell you later). It didn't seem like anything else needed to be said. You'd already biotech (http://www.overheardinnewyork.com/archives/001395.html)-slapped him down in a polite and classy manner. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif

lablady2

10-10-2006, 04:41 AM

md: I am still laughing. Tutus and wedgies.

Wasn't talking about you guys not responding; I was addressing those who were so quick to call out others about the krems stuff. Really can't have it both ways. Yeah, I can take care of myself, but I appreciate the words and gestures from you and all the others. And, if I can't take care of myself, well, there's always the ADL. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

lablady2

10-10-2006, 04:45 AM

J2: I just posted but I do want to restate. I was not bothered by the fact that the people on the bunny trails didn't respond. I was bothered by the lack of response of those who were upset by your words (and mine) to krems and who expected an apology. Seems to me that should work both ways. Really, 99.9% of the people on this board are great and I think make an attempt to get along. But, you know...........

It's all good, J2. I'm thinkin' you might just be daughter-in-law material, little lady....

lablady2

10-10-2006, 04:57 AM

Well, kids, as much fun as this has been, I gotta get up really early in the morning to take my elderly, sick dad to the oncologist. We plan to meet my daughters, who are in the military by the way, for some lunch. We will be waving the American flag at Cracker Barrel while we earnestly discuss issues of free speech. Or maybe my backorder from the longerie party.

Anyhoo....night all!

sameo

10-10-2006, 05:08 AM

LOL...LL!!! good one! ;-)

God bless you, Lab!! and your Dad, and military daughters!!

g'night!

Hootah!!

mdillon

10-10-2006, 05:09 AM

Or maybe my backorder from the longerie party.

I was so afraid you missed me on that. thanks Lablady and love to the fam.

dillyeaux

sameo

10-10-2006, 05:11 AM

OH, and Lab......God bless your 'longerie.' :-P

matt_hatter

10-10-2006, 05:15 AM

Hey lab, I must be convertin' or something, I've had enough already! G'night all.

dust

10-10-2006, 05:23 AM

Lablady,
What did I do to you today. The defense with Krems came after many maybe hundreds of posts, and it was never ending and a group thing. You seem to handle yourself pretty well and it was a one on one. But, now it seems that it came out of nowhere since my last posting with you...

wildwood_

10-10-2006, 05:32 AM

Cracker Barrel! If I leave now and don't get stopped by the police nah, I'd get stopped...and my husband would probably wait to make bail. Guess, I can't make it. Someone order the cornbread, with butter & onions please. Yes, I know the the Civil War started because Yankee put sugar in the cornbread...but that's the only way I like it! Don't tell my Mom. Just because she's in Heaven doesn't mean she still doesn't keep track of me...never could keep a secret from her radar. (Drat).

God Bless You Lablady and I am & have been praying for your Father...and your children and just for JOY uncomplicated for you (thought that lingerie party the other night was an answer to that prayer until I read you had to pick up the snacks! LOL).

God Bless all the extremely stubborn-hearted folks that I've come to know on this board. (Double for a Dilly of course...haven't harassed him in a while.)

lablady2

10-10-2006, 05:40 AM

Dust, you didn't do anything to me today. No worries. My point was, and is, that you were right to call people on some stuff about krems, me included. I apologized to him and I've really tried to make an effort to communicate with him.
By the same token, I do think that 40days should have been held to the same standard as others have been. That's it. For me, this issue will be forgotten after this unless he continues to harass me.

wild: I would love for you, dust and all my Factnet friends to join me at Cracker Barrel. I'll even pretend to fight for the ticket.

matt_hatter

10-10-2006, 05:40 AM

WW, you cannot be serious. Sugar in the cornbread? I am taking back your G.R.I.T.S. card. (Girls Raised in the South). Now don't tell me you put sugar on your grits....goodnight for real this time!

dust

10-10-2006, 05:41 AM

And Lablady, if you had an issue with me personally, just talk to me personally. I don't go to the other threads and talk about you. I would appreciate it.

lablady2

10-10-2006, 05:49 AM

dust: it's really kind of hard to know which thread I should find you on to discuss an issue. I would almost have to title a thread. If it were a chat room it would be easier, but we all kind of matriculate across a variety of threads.

As I recall, those of us who were chastised about our behavior concerning krems (and rightly so) on various threads just apologized.

dust

10-10-2006, 05:59 AM

Lablady, YES I did notice that you were communicating with Krems quite respectfully. I was impressed with that...

I really think lablady that you and 40 can duke it out....don't worry nobody will get hurthttp://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif

lablady2

10-10-2006, 06:00 AM

No, there will be no duking it out. I expect it to stop.

wildwood_

10-10-2006, 06:13 AM

Yes Hatter...sugar in the cornbread and I've always HATED GRITS...Why? Because they are in fact Gritty... Now, let's talk Golden Fried Chicken for a minute before I totally lose my "G.R.I.T.S" card... Cast Iron Skillet essential...also useful for banging upon a variety of heads foreign (Yankees) or domestic (Rebels)....

Dust & Lablady...neither of you probably have the time, but you could exchange email off the board & not get bogged-down by intrusive interruptions (such as my post now). Until then I enjoy visualizing a "Ladies of the Board" meeting...Get J2t, Sameo, Ginger,Freedom, Dovey, Copper, and whoever I forgot to type ...a nice resort area, beach, open-bar... No men folk...you know they couldn't keep a secret...look at that Hatter fella...said he was going to sleep & there he was still reading... http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/crazy.gif Oh, wait, I said I was going to sleep too...opps... I really, really mean it this time! (Maybe). Nite.

Lablady, We all will be looking now & aware...it's hard to believe such comments are in fact exactly the ugliness that they seemed...I didn't want it to be "so"...I'm sorry for not speaking more clearly sooner. That won't happen again (unless it is the Ghost in the Machine who does periodically save me from "myself"). Angels around both you & Dustie tonight. Sleep Well. I do hope we meet one day.http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/blush.gif I'll try to behave...semi-properly for the first 15 minutes...

lablady2

10-10-2006, 06:18 AM

wild: much more a matter of principle (pal? tired!) than a personal issue for me as far as speaking up. I generally can take care of myself, but I do very much appreciate your concern and your apology.

I hope you do sleep. I'm like a newborn; I seem to have my days and my nights mixed up. Hard on a senior citizen.

dust

10-10-2006, 06:47 AM

Wildie, I think you're having an affair with that Ghost in the machinehttp://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

We'll talk tomorrow.

wildwood_

10-10-2006, 07:11 AM

LL--Ambien..!. If we were near I'd drop one over... I cannot sleep regularly either...having become one of those blue-hair ladies in Church with a variety of complaints that seem to be basically age induced...as I near that dreaded 50......(Although I refuse to act a day above 29...unless it suits me of course.).

Thank you for understanding about earlier, ah matters. You take up for yourself just fine...(Most skillfully) but you shouldn't have had to take insults that were on purpose to wound......sigh. Hard Lessons you've probably seen before given your Faith...it is good for us on this board to witness some of this right in front of our eyes too... Isn't that how everything happened in MCM...good people for one reason or another did keep quiet...too long. On the other hand, the very heated debates that also happen on this board, usually make my heart rejoice...because thats so REAL. (Not that I particularly like myself as an agitator of agitating Dots...but I do use them....So...I must be one....!) No Quiet Lambs among these Old Bunnies!!! Enjoy your Daughters tomorrow...! Nite. Hope you are soon asleep if not already.

wildwood_

10-10-2006, 07:15 AM

I just saw that Dustie! Oh if it were the Captain in the "Ghost & Mrs Muir"... ah, now there'd be something worth swooning for...

I thought you were alseep...hmm, maybe I just dreaming. I gotta get better dreams...right, Young Rex Harrison & I look like Loretta Young...
(If the Ghost in the Machine looks like him...I'm going to do more to get his attention...). Nite Gold Dustie!

40days40years

10-10-2006, 07:35 AM

Primate Corporal Punishment Center, yep!

wildwood you are a nice lady and yes you are a quiet lamb. You just threw a sock and that was only after the pile on. Anyone would be happy to have 1000 of you in their church.

J-2 you said this was only a discussion board and nothing more? Are you sure?

flo1151

10-10-2006, 12:44 PM

Sameo,

You are definitely one of the folks I like. You do seem to get it and you laugh at my jokeshttp://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif. If you were a member of one of my churches please email me at flo1151@bellsouth.net. Would like to know who you are and to catch up.

Pastorflo

john_r_jones

10-10-2006, 01:22 PM

Well after yesterdays assmunchin' (http://www.garnersclassics.com/wavs/goodbad.wav) I thought this might set the mood.

Jonesee

mdillon

10-10-2006, 02:06 PM

ooooooh jonesy, that sent chills... there's plenty 'o good up in all this bad 'n ugly.

wildy-extremely stubborn-hearted folks... (Double for a Dilly of course...haven't harassed him in a while.)

i felt a wee bit 'o harassment in that blessing. nice. and thanks.

dillyeaux

miltietoast

10-10-2006, 02:41 PM

Dwasn't that the theme song of Deliverance?

wildwood_

10-10-2006, 02:52 PM

40/40 Morning. I'm quite willing to gather up the socks & toss them all in the wash... One will be missing because this darn dog of mine likes to chew the heels off... Sometimes, being a quiet Lamb isn't doing a kindness to the other sheep...perhaps if I'd been a bleating Lamb & mentioned what troubled my heart about your choice of words & tone in some of your posts...could've avoided more pain...for you as well as Lablady. Do you understand? Can you make this better?
No pile on...remember I just put all the socks in the wash (and some of those socks, ugh, no matter I tossed in a few of my husbands too). Oddest message board I've ever posted on...let's see hurches, hutch, oh, how about a safe place for all rabbits during hunting season....

Loved the morning hymnal selection, too, Clint & what did ya'do with Jonesy???!

And Dilly...there's much blessing in that harassment and by the Grace of God I will continue to have the opportunity to do so...Ah, Morning, I love the smell of sawdust after Napalm's been in the air...http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/biggrin.gif Go ahead turn something on some big lathe...I'm putting my earplugs in and going back to bed...oh, wait laundry first...post pictures again when you're done!

wisedove

10-10-2006, 02:55 PM

<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!>quote:

Until then I enjoy visualizing a "Ladies of the Board" meeting...Get J2t, Sameo, Ginger,Freedom, Dovey, Copper, and whoever I forgot to type ...a nice resort area, beach, open-bar... No men folk...you know they couldn't keep a secret...look at that Hatter fella...said he was going to sleep & there he was still reading... <!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
this sounds really fun, wildy. sure wish somehow we could make it a reality. I just upgraded to DSL (finally) and found a way to start my own chat room. I take that back. I SAW that there is a way to start your own chat room. Figuring out how to actually do it is going to be ANOTHER story.Any way, downloaded AIMS for chatting. think I saw the chat room idea through that program. All i need is screennames and send out an invite. If some one is more knowledgable sp? than me on this topic (like J2, for instance!<img><img> (http://plugin.smileycentral.com/http%253A%252F%252Fwww.smileycentral.com%252F%253F partner%253DZSzeb008%255FZNxmk572YYUS%2526i%253D15 %252F15%255F10%255F6%2526feat%253Dprof/page.html)) please feel free to EDUCATE.

wisedove

10-10-2006, 03:17 PM

J2-if you can show (tell) me how to post a smiley from smiley central onto this message board correctly, I am very open to more educating. I'm soooo OVER this computer stuff. OVER IT!!!

sameo

10-10-2006, 03:35 PM

G'morning all! Wildy and Dovey....getting together with the "Ladies of the Board"(sounds so executive like)ha DOES sound like great fun!!! I would love hangin' out with every single one of you! thx for including me. ;-)

pasta-flo LIKES me! wow. :-)

have a good day all! (gonna go check out JRJ's "assmunchin'" site...vewy carefully)tiptoe...

sameo

10-10-2006, 04:20 PM

..speaking of 'grits,'(which I love, btw...sorry Wildy) This is a true story. When Jimmy Carter was President, there was this White House breakfast one time and all these representatives of all sorts were there. And there was this northern rep there,(or midwestern)and he had never had grits before and didn't exactly know what they were...but when the server came around and ask if he'd like some grits-not wanting to be rude,he said "yes, but I'll just have one!" hahahaha

I like cheesy grits!

matt_hatter

10-10-2006, 04:36 PM

Sameo, we had a resturant in Auburn called the Tiger Cub. Tik and Milt remember it well, I'm sure. We actually called it "Grit" because it was a clump that resembled a scoop of vanilla ice cream. Never seen 'em like that before or since.

Cheese grits----"we're" my favorite. dang it.

Where's the oatmeal? Sheesh.

j2theperson

10-10-2006, 07:52 PM

<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!>quote:

40/40: J-2 you said this was only a discussion board and nothing more? Are you sure?<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
Well, it depends on what the definition of "discussion" is as well at what the definitions of "more" "board" "nothing" and "and" are.

j2theperson

10-10-2006, 08:12 PM

<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!>quote:

WiseDove: J2-if you can show (tell) me how to post a smiley from smiley central onto this message board correctly, I am very open to more educating. I'm soooo OVER this computer stuff. OVER IT!!!<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
I don't think it's possible to insert pictures. FACTnet gives instructions on how to attach pictures (http://www.factnet.org/cgi-bin/discus/discus.cgi?pg=formatting#images) but I followed those instructions and they don't seem to work. There were some other formatting codes they mentioned that also don't seem to work, so I'm thinking they must have turned off the option to attach pictures. I wish they'd update their formatting instructions, though, to echo that change.

So, the short answer to your question Dove is: you can't add pictures. Nyah! Nyah! Nyah! http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/lame.gif

lablady2

10-10-2006, 08:18 PM

"Well, it depends on what the definition of "discussion" is as well at what the definitions of "more" "board" "nothing" and "and" are."

I pity the man...........http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/biggrin.gif

matt_hatter

10-10-2006, 08:43 PM

I think the dude we find for j2 is gonna have to be one of those Mensa guys, lab. My son is too young, and too dumb. LOL.( kidding on the young, I mean dumb part) And yours?

lablady2

10-10-2006, 08:54 PM

Well, my son is probably about the right age. And he's handsome - got stopped by an agent in St. Louis with an offer to model (I know, I know, I've told that before..and my daughters are military, yada yada). He's a great kid, smart, gonna be a mechanical engineer. Math guy. Gets excited about calc and formulas; makes me wonder if he's really mine. However, somehow I think J2 would keep him busy processing information at a faster pace than he likes. She's pretty quick; he likes to ponder.

But, when J2 finds her guy, we should all go to the wedding and really embarrass her. Like having 4 or 5 sets of parents there.

j2theperson

10-10-2006, 11:42 PM

Hmm, Lab, the math part is cool because that means he would have to help our children with their geometry homework...not me. But, the excessive good looks are kind of a let down; I want to be the undisputed looker in my marriage. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/biggrin.gif

<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!>quote:

But, when J2 finds her guy, we should all go to the wedding and really embarrass her. Like having 4 or 5 sets of parents there.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
Yet one more reason to elope.

matt_hatter

10-10-2006, 11:51 PM

Earnest T Bass--He's the eloping type. And he is not good looking. Ya'll could hava a swell wedding and you would be too emabarrassed by him to worry about all of us. I can hear dilly popping a top right after: "Speak now or forever hold your peace!"

OK, I'm trying. But dang, you are such a picky child, bet you tried to hide your peas under your fork when you were a kid.

matt_hatter

10-11-2006, 01:44 AM

Now that made a lot of sense. You elope with Eanest T Bass, but we are all at the wedding. My bad. He's too redneck for you anyway.

Gonna get the Delorean and send you back in time to Bogie time. You'll have to give Bacall a run for the money, though.

lablady2

10-11-2006, 03:28 AM

Well, it's been a long week at the old Factnet corral...and it's only Tuesday. Honest to gosh, I wonder why I'm hangin' out here.

Just read krems posts on the other thread and thought about responding there but to what end? In my humble opinion and for what it's worth, God doesn't heal everyone and it's not because of sin or wrong doctrine or disbelief. We are finite, imperfect beings living in a finite, imperfect world. I'm sorry for those who have been wounded by that doctrine. Been there, done that. I remember well the pain of having a child who was so physically sick, only to be wounded again by those who should have lifted us up. Not of God.

lablady2

10-11-2006, 03:33 AM

Returning now to the happy-go-lucky, devil-may-care (devil don't give a rip) bunny trail.....

matt_hatter

10-11-2006, 03:40 AM

I, too, lab, am not going to respond anymore. It would appear clear to all with a brain what a ridiculous doctrine it is, and like I said, I kept looking in the mirror and seeing Bill Murray in Groundhog Day.

Let's have fun. It was a beautiful day in Alabama by the way.

lablady2

10-11-2006, 03:44 AM

Beautiful here, too, mh. Unfortunately, I spent most of my day painting the interior of a house. I look lovely in Manor Hall paint, by the way. I may forego the return to nursing and just paint houses. I kind of like it....peaceful and productive.

By the way, I put sugar in my cornbread (white and brown sugar) and I'll eat grits anyway you wanna fix 'em.

matt_hatter

10-11-2006, 03:55 AM

Buttermilk in the cornbread. A little more than the recipe calls for. Makes it really moist, not crumbly. A little trick we picked up from Allie's grandpa, who was a true Appalacian. Lived near "Chatanoogie" as he called it.

Used to make those full breakfasts with pork chops, bacon, and sausage. He weighed about 150 lbs. What gives?

lablady2

10-11-2006, 04:00 AM

matt: did he sit on a computer and read posts on Factnet?

hehehe

lablady2

10-11-2006, 04:01 AM

matt: did he sit in front of a computer and read posts on Factnet?

hehehe

lablady2

10-11-2006, 04:02 AM

Two versions for your reading pleasure. Oh, Dillyyyyyy?

matt_hatter

10-11-2006, 04:09 AM

Hahaha---he was the best frame straightener and body man in North Georgia. That is why he weighed 150 lbs, eh?

j2theperson

10-11-2006, 09:36 AM

<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!>quote:

LL2: Just read krems posts on the other thread and thought about responding there but to what end?<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
Well, as you have seen, there is no point in responding. However, over the past few days I have finally realized that it is possible to appreciate what he writes...but only if you view it as satire (in which case, it's, frankly, brilliant). http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/lol.gif

speakword2004

10-11-2006, 10:26 AM

Song for Krems and Justyn_M

Have you come here for forgiveness
Have you come to raise the dead
Have you come here to play Jesus
To the lepers in your head

One, U2

flo1151

10-11-2006, 10:32 AM

Miltie,

As to your heartpine question Dilly was right on. All heart pine is not created equal. $1.49/sq. ft. sounds too cheap for heart pine. However there is much in the market calling itself heartpine that can be picked up for that price. I did Davis Love III's house in Sea Island he had reclaimed straight grain heart pine and paid $11.00 / sq. ft for it. It was awesome. The average house or cabin, that would be a waste of money. True heart pine is pretty hard but probably what you are talking about is not. How about a rustic oak (cabin grade),wide boards. You can pick that up for low $2.00 range. It will have lots of knots Make sure those knots are filled with a walnut filler not a pine filler. Looks much better. That will be $100.00 to my paypal acct.

40days40years

10-11-2006, 10:39 AM

What everyone has done to the Bill Mack vision is horrendous. This board is just trivial garbage.

flo1151

10-11-2006, 12:08 PM

40,

You mean to crucify Bruce Harpel and to tie everything in Maranatha to some illuminatish plot. Please, if you think you can take 25% of what Bill Mack says as truth you are a fool.

flo1151

10-11-2006, 12:23 PM

I believe Bill M has a hard time believing he got duped just like all the rest of us by something as simple as Maranatha. It had to be a conspiracy. Well I was there and there was no conspiracy. There was however powers at work and to Bill to you 40 and the rest I am sorry for the exposure you had to it and would hope that your latter years will be better than you former. All the effort to prove something from a preconceived idea may be barking up the wrong tree. I would hope we could discuss this further on another thread because I do not want this thread to get bogged down with something that is important but maybe not what this thread is meant for.

flo1151

10-11-2006, 12:25 PM

btw,
I am leaving for work.

flo

speakword2004

10-11-2006, 12:37 PM

"Ow! Ow! Ow! " screamed the monkey.

matt_hatter

10-11-2006, 03:06 PM

40:"This board is just trivial garbage"

Kind of my view of television. That is why I like operating the off button. Try it, you'll like it. Or maybe better--start a thread that would address what you feel is missing on factnet. Oh, and take some of that "merry heart medicine" goooood for the soul.

lablady2

10-11-2006, 03:16 PM

matt: the most spiritual, uplifting non-garbage part of Factnet EN/MCM exists on the bunny trails. It is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma - however, logs and beams obscure the "vision" and make the riddle harder to solve.

I'm leaving the deeper things of God to those who are convinced they know them.

I've tethered my lucky foot to the trails.

(Message edited by lablady2 on October 11, 2006)

dust

10-11-2006, 06:02 PM

40 wrote: What everyone has done to the Bill Mack vision is horrendous. This board is just trivial garbage.

Dust: 40, did you mean this as a joke?

FLo, it's a great topic, the conspiracies of Bill M. I've done a lot of research on this...I'm not up for it today, but yes, a thread all on its own..soon.

lablady2

10-11-2006, 06:51 PM

Who or what is a bill mack? please, I don't want to know his theology or beliefs, just what or who he is. Thanks.

vanguard

10-11-2006, 07:08 PM

Bill Mack is a nutcase. I rather hang out with FMP at anytime, Than hanging out with Bill Mack.

I got locked out, Something wrong with factnet system. So I am using a friends username.

ginger1

dust

10-11-2006, 07:19 PM

Bill Mack is the guy who started this board in I think 2003, on Christmas day. Ironic,. He has done EXTENSIVE research on maranatha, Every Nation and their roots.

Some people may question the way that Bill has connected the dots, but I've seen the research, and I'm still digesting it. The roots are darker than I had realized and are the same roots that has grown other cults, new thought, new age, theosophy, etc.

Bill's extreme and controversial. Everyone probably sees him differently. I consider him a friend, and I miss his very ascerbic posts.

I guess you could say look up the word conspiracy in the dictionary and Bill Mack's picture is there.

dust

10-11-2006, 07:28 PM

I just read Ginger's post....See....that's what I mean by controversialhttp://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/lol.gif

coppertree

10-11-2006, 09:16 PM

Hi All,
Yes, Bill is intense but look at his research. It can be found, I hope in the earlier threads here. We are supposed to contend for our faith. I think that part of this comes from knowing where our odd duck roots come from. We once parroted them, we should now know what we were saying. There is some freedom here, in this.}

matt_hatter

10-11-2006, 09:25 PM

Labs: here is a sample of Bill: I make no editorial comment, just post his words for your education: (You may have to scroll down some.)

http://www.factnet.org/discus/messages/3/22884.html?1153610483#MB

dust

10-11-2006, 09:34 PM

Nostalgic. I miss BIll. He's like the Michael Savage of the Christian cults!

matt_hatter

10-11-2006, 09:46 PM

These are MY feelings. Bob Weiner was not a smart man, he was a power hungry bully. I don't think he would even understand a conspiracy woven that deep. It wasn't just about the money, etc. It was all about that old strange elixer, POWER. It is sometimes hard to admit that I was duped by something like this, but I was.

No deep plot from the 17th century drew me in, it was a choice I made. Some Machiavellian plot makes it sound like an excuse for the fact that I got sucked in. Big deal, it happened, I learned. It was one small part of my life. And now I make a simple choice each day to never let it happen to me again.

These are my own feelings, and I am not trying to convince anyone that this is truth behind Maranatha and future ministries. The whole thing, really, is a speck in comparison to God's infinite Kingdom. It is a speck that I will speak out against, but it has not, nor will it, ruin my life.

vanguard

10-11-2006, 09:51 PM

Somebody stole my username and has been posting on the other thread. Philippine thread. I am not able to log in since oct. 9. ANd somebody over there post it TODAY using my USERNAME.

Ginger1

matt_hatter

10-11-2006, 10:02 PM

Ginger, can you create a new account? We will all know that your name was stolen. No one will respond to that person and maybe we can get the stolen one reported and blocked from factnet.

Maybe a new account with Ginger in the name, so we know it is you---ie, Gingerbread, Gingerspice, etc. I think you said Vanguard was a friend's username.

vanguard

10-11-2006, 10:04 PM

I'll try , Gingerbread sound nice. How about Dragonslayer ? Hmm to common. VCF Slayer ?
The person who hijack it is from PASIG , PHILIPPINES. From Brandons.com I think.
For now, I will just use this.

wisedove

10-11-2006, 10:41 PM

GLOBE TELECOM
Manela, Phillipines. Internet frog showed where they posted from.

www.internetfrog.com (http://www.internetfrog.com)

vanguard

10-11-2006, 11:12 PM

Wisedove, thanks. Its coming from Pasig , which is where the Alabang church is located. And whoever Stole my Username just literally PROVEN my POINT LOL !

wildwood_

10-11-2006, 11:17 PM

Hi 40/40...well somewhere above is your post…direct & to the point and no personally directed animosity so that's appreciated. Not quite the bright white, I was hoping for but bleaching longer might result in holes and I've found holes to be annoying in socks...dingy works fine & still keeps the toes warm. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif And I have no objection to delving into trivial garbage since my Dad use to take us to the old sink hole to poke around & see what treasures had been tossed out; naturally my Mom objected to this activity--except it did get us out of the house & telling children they get to explore an old dump is much more inspirational to get little feet moving than saying "Want to go for a 5 mile cross-country hike?". Prominently displayed in a beautiful location in my sister's home is quite possibly the ugliest little metal jewel box with some vestiges of silver plating remaining... I still say "I saw it first" but somehow her hands were quicker! In the event of evacuation...She'd grab that battered box ahead of just about anything else but her child, possibly even her husband. Beauty is in the eye of the Beholder.

matt_hatter

10-11-2006, 11:22 PM

Nice, Wildy, nice.

wildwood_

10-11-2006, 11:29 PM

Hi Ginger, well that’s a relief …”Vanguard” out of the blue using the term “nutcase” with hanging out with FMP mentioned as an option slightly above hanging out with a nutcase… I saw Ginger1 but I thought “Vanguard” was a new person using you as reference and in that context … oh, those words just bothered me. But I’ve read you--“Ginger1” enough to learn & like that you speak direct & heart to heart…and you’ve probably told Bill somewhere along the line that he’s a nutcase directly. (Of course now I’m thinking…OK my lesson for today is…well, I might not like the words but how I understand “them” might be wrong…hmmm, something about giving the benefit of a doubt).

Here’s my post (well I worked hard to type this & had to overcome a hungry child to do so...she's eating celery & ranch dressing now...WAIT: There's a roast in the crockpot...She'd still rather have the celery...Little Rabbit):

And Vanguard...Bill may be a nutcase, but he's my friend. So, I'd rather you said you thought his theories crazy…I told him so myself, used that word "Crazy" and that when I first read this board that I put him down as the one resident Nutcase that every message board always has…Sadly, I shockingly learned that maybe those theories are a lot less wrong than I was "Right". But to me & I have told Bill, Jesus wants that our Joy be made Full. Jesus still goes after one Lamb at a time and regardless of conspiracies to rule the world & reign on thrones in an earthly kingdom, or theories of this or that; or the doctrines of En or MCM or Baptists, or Churches of Christ, or New Age Concepts from Old Age Mystics... The Lord God in His Mercy loved us first & still loves us best and Still & Always comes looking & finds us…One Lamb at a time & each time. Strangely, the one lamb is always a bit shocked that He went to all that trouble just for him (or as I like to think of it "Just for Me...Just as I am"). I've posted elsewhere that my friends are usually remarkably stubborn, and on any given day I suspect most are "Nuts" (first clue being...I'm their friend). Possibly Vanguard, even you are prone to nuttiness, since you are posting on a message board...and have now encountered a "Ghost in the Machine" …..Annoying isn’t he/it/she ...that's why I post with a _ after my name now (darn Ghost always wins….). Wildwood_
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So maybe you can go to Ginger_ ; although, it’s awkward every time I post to use that darn _ hyphen or underscore or whatever it is…. Go with something that doesn’t involve a shift key at the end….

In the meantime, allow me to just say Greetings Vanguard! Welcome to our world….bunnies, trees, tigers, monkeys, dogs, cats, and a variety of odd creatures; please do not eat the wildlife… we know you have access to recipes for this… I am most humbly your nutty friend http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/crazy.gif Thank you for your continued tolerance!!

lablady2

10-11-2006, 11:50 PM

matt: I agree. Bob W. was not smart enough to create a tangled web on purpose. I believe his early intentions might have been somewhat pure, but once he caught the "vision" (as in money and power), everything was focused toward that end.

I admire those who want to explore conspiracy theories; for me, it's a step backwards to spend my time there. Lot of productive stuff to be done ahead of me. Just my opinion. But, I'm glad to know who he is.

vanguard

10-12-2006, 12:01 AM

Wildwood. Yea, the way you can check if its me is my IP, Its the same as the orginal ginger1. LOL ! thats how you can tell. The one who stole it, it trace to Pasig , Philippines. AND thats where the Alabang church is. They got mad at me for posting about Bernard. They have been trying their best to bait me to give who is my Informer LOL ! As I told them I won't give it to them. I guess they are trying to DELETE my Post also. And its kind of too late.

Anyway, In regards to Bill, I get lost with his theories and Conspiracy. It got me so confused. I just don't get it. Then he tried to attack my church and my pastor. He failed on that one.

I am registering another name. A new one instead. Matt is right, gingerbread and gingerspice sound nice. I still have couple of friends that I can borrow the username aside from this LOL !

40/40 - I can't read you mind about monkey, Are you looking for a Monkey recipe ? I don't have one.

Oh by the way, before I forget, I remember when I was younger,
from 4 - 6 years old. My Grandma (father side) would have a Monitor Lizard brought home. I never saw how they slaughter it, ALL I saw was its already on a Dish. Thats my wildest animal that I ever had in my younger days. I rather have that than grandma's "Pee Soup".

ginger1

wildwood_

10-12-2006, 12:53 AM

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/smile.gif Hey Ginger or IP69298etcetc ! And I worried about what was in the balogna as a child...and if anyone knows please don't post it! Well, was the Lizard good eatn'?? I still like thinking of "meat" as the other food group that grows in the grocery store freezer section... and the name "Pee Soup" worries me... somehow I don't think it's a typo for pea.

Bill's theories confuse me too (my own being a good Church to be...is the one that you feel the Lord wants you at) ...and what I do understand or agree with now, I'd rather not...being clueless has its advantages--in the end I still have the same thinking...God is Bigger. Why God is even bigger than Army Paperwork; although, it still likes to try & mess with me...my husband says it's not personal but hey, call me paranoid...how else to explain how it always manages to know how to aggravate me so well...in triplicate???????? And they don't even use carbon paper anymore, just emails to do it!!!

flo1151

10-12-2006, 01:15 AM

flo says good evening to all. I hope you had a blessed day. I was thinking today while two of my sons and I were laying some hardwood flooring. Not everybody gets to spend hours with their grown sons, laughing and being crude and still make a decent living. I am a very blessed person. I am feeling all warm and fuzzy inside. (of course I did have okra for dinner)

wildwood_

10-12-2006, 01:43 AM

Flo's in the House! Wow...that's way too much work, but I bet those floors sure will look pretty...!

Was the okra fried in corn meal in an iron skillet??? Or served the healthy way...I don't know that way, but I'm sure it doesn't involve frying or an iron skillet... Glad my husband's walking the child now (the dog's here under my feet) and not looking over my shoulder asking me when I'm going to fix some.... ! The fresh vegetables in South Texas leave a lot to be desired...melons, oranges, grapefruit...all terrific...but the fresh veggies...always look like they've been riding in the back of a truck with no A/C for a couple of days (possibly because they did)...

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/uhoh.gifLooks like the walks over...sigh, homework (when I was little that didn't involve my folks...now, the teachers provide a little stamp mark for the parents to sign off on...it's not her homework...it's mine...) Later.

vanguard

10-12-2006, 01:45 AM

wildwood, I don't remember the taste as much, Its been a long time. The filipinos calls it "bayawak". Dang that was long , long time ago, Because even when I was a teenager, my grandma did not serve us that any longer. All I remember it was on my younger days. I think the filipinos have a hard time catching it now. I do not know if its in the almost extinct list.

As a kid, I just eat anything. I am never picky. Seasoned it right and I will eat it. Thats why when my hubby said he wants some Chicken Breast soup, I was like what ???? As I said, it took me years to adjust to that taste. Hubby learned to eat the chicken breast in the US navy. So when he got out of the navy in the year 2000. And asked me for that, it was kind of like Are you sure ?

Now the weird thing is that both my grandparents is disgusted with BEEF. THEY DO NOT EAT BEEF. They spit it out . Ma cooked beef soup for us, so we got used to it.

Hubby eats Goats and Lambs. I don't. I could care less for the taste. Lablady , I am pretty sure eat that being jewish.

Lablady, when are we going to have a recipe thread. I got a favorite one, three ingredients. Chicken ,soy sauce and fresh tomatoes.
Even my american friends who are picky loves it !

mdillon

10-12-2006, 01:48 AM

evening to you flo. every now and then I'll get a warm and fuzzy when the planets line up and my sons are helping me on a project----nothing like it. you are blessed. i am blessed. ain't we blessed. flo, that was powerflo

ww-Beauty is in the eye of the Beholder

I agree w/mattie- great story, great point wildy. preshade it

dillyeaux

flo1151

10-12-2006, 01:50 AM

wild
fried, the only way I'll eat it. Don't you have a whole foods market somewhere close. Or do you live out in the boondocks? When we lived in Austin we used to go to the first and only whole foods market. Now they are all over the place. That is where we buy most of our meat and fruits and veggies. More expensive but you can tell the difference.

wisedove

10-12-2006, 02:03 AM

dillyeaux,
you crack me up.

flo, welcome aboard over here.

I'll be busy tonight! (on the board, that is...)

wildwood, stick around. it might get interesting. (not that goats, lambs, bologna, monkey's, and pee soup already isn't interesting enough.)

matt_hatter

10-12-2006, 02:12 AM

Is this where the 17th century rastafarians are hanging out? I hear Bob Weiner's family tree branches to Bob Marley.

Maybe it was as simple as that. They were all 'mokin doobs.

miltietoast

10-12-2006, 02:17 AM

flo ,my oldest helps me with log homes, the joy and fellowship is a wonderful memory. I am convinced that this is God's best. Babylon detroys family relationships. one area the Amish are right on. We have fried okra for lunch at Mama Maes.

mdillon

10-12-2006, 02:22 AM

I hear Bob Weiner's family tree branches to Bob Marley.

mattie why you dissin' on the Marley 'Mon? btw you'd look good in dreads. but you gotta point, its what happens when the ganja is used strictly for religious purposes.

mattie, are we a conspiracy here? 'cause you know I always wanted to be one. is this thread going to pot?

i'm just sayin.....

dillyeaux

miltietoast

10-12-2006, 02:27 AM

the greatest conspiracy is that , there is no conspiracy

mdillon

10-12-2006, 02:34 AM

there is no conspiracy

dang it miltie, shush!!!! c'mon man, we got everybody thinking we're one, shhh! they will be convinced when we walk out in our RR jackets.

i see you got here quickly after leaving the toilet seat up over there.

dillyeaux

miltietoast

10-12-2006, 02:39 AM

yeah did not have time to put lid down
looked like clarence thomas was there before me

dust

10-12-2006, 04:14 AM

Flo, I agree about Whole Foods. When I went to my first Whole Foods, I wanted to move in. It was in New Orleans, and we were there for three hours. One is being built in Nashville right now, and we can't wait. Now, just don't tell me you watch the food networkhttp://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

flo1151

10-12-2006, 08:02 AM

Bobby Flay and Rachel Ray are my favorites.

40days40years

10-12-2006, 09:16 AM

Whole Foods, no Captain Crunch, $30 dollar face creams and vitamins, nothing as exotic as Gingers stuff but pricey.

I will be back later to talk about Bill Mack contributions. He started a lot of really cool conversations, oodles of sources for strange stuff that surprisingly is tied in with many Christian groups. Even Lab would like his discussions on the kaballah however you spell it. Just don't get him mad, he could bring down rebukes and curses that would rattle your teeth. Come back Bill, maybe restrict yourself to one or two threads, we can enforce the integrity of them like Philip Rosenthal.

mdillon or whoever was talking about the Amish. Look they can talk about not owning a plasma TV but that does not mean your not in Babylon. They have freedom because there are others around them with all the weopons in the world ready to flatten enemies so maybe they are deluding themselves? Where else do they get to have it so good? People they look down on make it possible. What is up with the funky Abraham Lincoln suits? I would say that to the orthodox Jews to. I mean I would rather dress up like a jewish guy 2000 years a go. It just looks so much more comfortable. There are other problems in the Amish community also. In the more dysfunctional Amish homes if someone does a horrific crime like rape all the abuser has to do is say I'm sorry. I remember one story of a poor Amish girl who was looked down on because she took her rapist brother to court, the Amish community was mad at her and it took a secular judge to tell the parents, protect your daughter or I will throw you in jail. Can't really judge them because I can't relate to them it is kind of like going to the zoo. I am sure many are very humble and great. In Texas they have illegal Amish aliens sneaking across the border to get to a more hospitable environment. Even the Amish will break a law to get here. Can't blame em.

40days40years

10-12-2006, 09:30 AM

wildwood: you said earlier you cringed when I said Amen to Dusts post? Fair enough but keep in mind that if you were there in the flesh when the Apostle Paul told people to emasculate themselves (that word is tame) you would cringe and think who is this man? On the other hand if AntiChrist showed up being kind, lips dripping honey and talking about freedom of speach and tolerance you would most likely have an uncontrollable desire to bake him a plate of cookies and give him a glass of cold milk. Just think about it okay? (this is not a jab at you Lab okay?, remove that negative thought like Krems would say)

40days40years

10-12-2006, 09:53 AM

John R Jones, why not post something? You are the one who talks about messy spirituality. You brought up the church philosophy of Peter and James. This led me scratching my head because all you preach is Paul. This dust character? Is she a can of Popeye spinach, liquid courage, gasoline poured on fire? or all of the above. I do think that even right wing nut jobs have a right to get it and influence society. Jump back in the shark tank, the water is warm I tested it and only half my leg is gone, Bill Mack was much tougher then this crowd.

john_r_jones

10-12-2006, 10:33 AM

40/40,
I just wandered in for a moment I'm occupied at present with maintianing the ability to count to ten. Later.

Jonesee

40days40years

10-12-2006, 10:43 AM

okay thanks for responding come back later.

lablady2

10-12-2006, 12:36 PM

40 days: you are an angry, bitter person. You seem to enjoy taunting or hurting others, and your unforgiveness toward the leadership in MCM is evident in more than one of your posts. How you square that with your walk with Christ and your ability to tell others how they should/think and act is lost on me, as is whatever witness for your faith you think you have. I see nothing you're offering that I would want in my life.

vanguard

10-12-2006, 02:06 PM

Lablady - I think 40/40 is mad is because its election time. Its one of those years. I remember that everytime there is an election time in the philippines, the Kidnapping INCREASED. The politicians need money for campaigning. So the wealthy people knew when to leave Philippines.

My family got kidnapped once for ramsom. They were supposed to kidnapped my godfather, but my godfather was not with Pa. So they took my Ma, Pa and two sister and the car instead.

They let Pa go, to get the money, they got the money the next day then they released my family. Ma was pretty shooked up, left the country for a while. Went to taiwan and here america for a few months. Anyway, you can' t report it because when they went to report it at Camp Crame, the kidnapper was one of the clerk there in the military.

Anyway, Sis prayed that She will forgive them but those people has to get caught and sure enough, they got CAUGHT. It was on the news, their pictures and all. The penalty for kidnapping is Death.

Give you some of my life stories here, just to keep it interesting....

ginger1

(Message edited by vanguard on October 12, 2006)

mdillon

10-12-2006, 02:12 PM

40-mdillon or whoever was talking about the Amish

hey 40 it wasn't me it was whoever. but I tell you what, since you mentioned my name I'll chime in. (keep counting jonesee) It was miltie that mentioned the Amish and all he said was "one area that the Amish were right on" meaning the point Flo brought up about working with his sons, I've had the same privelege and so has Miltie. How 'bout you 40? Why don't you share a testimony of blessing instead of taking the opportunity to slam the Amish? Tell you what, why don't you do like miltie did and take your whole family and spend a few weeks with an Amish family just to see how they live. Miltie and RaeAnn and all the little Toasts spent a considerable amount of time with an entire community living amongst them, garb and all. This came about because of a relationship between an Amish brother and Miltie that resulted in deep friendship and respect. So much respect that instead of picking apart doctrinal/political issues (miltie can tear you a new one) miltie takes his whole family and works beside a whole community just so he can learn himself and teach his own family what these folks were all about.

I'm not here to tout the Amish, there are as many schisms and divisions as there are in so-called Christianity or any other sect simply because of The Nature of Man--just like it shows up on this board. What does intrigue me about the Amish is their approach to a simple lifestyle and work ethic. This past summer Miltie took me to meet his friend. I walked in his shop. I shook his hand. I smelled the sawdust and admired his handiwork and marveled that such a 'bumpkin' with funny clothes is now listed in top guilds and galleries across the country. Hellyes I was jealous because this too, I desire. But I left completely encouraged and inspired. Why?

Because I saw God.

Tell us how your week goes with the Amish 40/40. Anxious to hear.

dillyeaux

matt_hatter

10-12-2006, 02:19 PM

1...2...3...slowly hatter, slowly. Thanks for the suggestion JRJ.

Hey flo, speaking of trival garbage, it's Paula Deen on the Food Network. Pure lust. No, not after her, after those dishes she cooks in pure butter in a skillet. And what a sexy accent. I am in love but my arteries hate her.

http://www.ladyandsons.com/

vanguard

10-12-2006, 02:28 PM

Matt, I have seen her on TV. Wow , even Hubby said, the way she cooks is PURE SIN.

its sugar, sugar, then more sugar on top. Then on top of it WHIP CREAM and Ice Cream. THEN Drizzle with chocolate. ( its a PIE).

Sounds like my Grandma (mother side) when she cooks....Pure Amish cookery.

(Message edited by vanguard on October 12, 2006)

speakword2004

10-12-2006, 03:15 PM

Now that we are onto plain speaking (pun fully loaded and intended) let's not put the cart before the horse.

I don't thing I would like to varnish with the Amish:
The idea of missing TV, electricity, radio, a washing machine etc. just sounds like a camping trip. I do think the Anabaptist sects have much to teach us, though.
There was a great article about one in The National Geographic a few months ago. The History Magazine of Christianity Today has some great articles on them at the moment:
http://www.ctlibrary.com/11546

The Harrison Ford scene from "The Witness" springs to mind: "Don't Know Much about . . . "

http://cti.stores.yahoo.net/is84piandexa.html

dust

10-12-2006, 03:23 PM

Flo, If you like Rachel Ray, you and I will really get along...same heritage..Bobby Flay ...his throw down show makes me nervous.
Paula Dean, no thank you I want to live. But I do love her personality...her laugh is beautiful and I wish she was my mother, but then would I be 300 pounds?

40, did you just call me a right wing nut? I'll think about this and come back.

matt_hatter

10-12-2006, 03:55 PM

call me a right wing nut?

OK, I am confused, first we are talking about trivial garbage like food and now we are talking about the hardware section at Lowe's. Are there right and left wing nuts? Is that like the left toe on the left foot that Bob W. used to say Maranatha was? I think I am a self-locking nut.

dust, Allie was watching Paula Deen one day and I had to shut the door to our study because of that laugh. It is a hearty one, for sure. She must have had a love affair with Marlboros sometime in her life.

forword

10-12-2006, 05:12 PM

I am Dust's husband.
I don't post here much...it's not the board it used to be.

What has really grabbed my attention lately is the change of acceptance with the Christian worldview. The truth is that people in EN churches hold a Christian worldview. That's not the problem with them leaving. When they come onto this board they are coming still with bible in hand. Is there a welcome mat for that?

Well, let's take my wife, Dust. You have tried to put her into a religious self-righteous, bun wearing, right wing nutcase Christian box. I need to set something straight.

There's not a box big enough to hold Dust.

She's the real deal and I knew her BEFORE she got saved. From the minute she was saved, she's never fooled around with her faith. It's real. She's the real deal. But, I know my reaction at first. Well there I was..raised in the church, and a Christian all my life, and here's Dust..so on fire putting me to shame. My religion was dead. She brought it back. At first it was OUCH. But, I think now where I was and I don't know what I would do without her...

A few years back she was doing a $70,000 job for the Opryland hotel. In the MIDDLE of the project, she stopped it and flew to California. A friend suddenly was dying of liver cancer...she jumps on a plane to go save him. He laughed at her, but she believes to this day she'll meet him in heaven because he called her later, not laughing so much. I guess that's what a self-righteous, right wing nut does, puts others before herself. She's good with the dying people....lot of experience. I watched her lead her opinionated 70 year old dad right to Jesus. No one could do that if you knew him, except Dust because she doesn't give up on people. You think she is judgemental?

This is a laugh. We go to NYC and instead of a vacation, she is witnessing to her friends, yes with the bible, yes in a small one-room flat, we spend the day because her gay friend is crying out to God...She gets people who hate Christians to sit with her and talk about God.

So this box you have her in is probably to make you feel better, but it's a joke from my vantage point.

I think most of you are hoping she got it right and Jesus really did redeem her life....because if He didn't, then what?

wisedove

10-12-2006, 05:22 PM

Dust,
I thank God for the connection with you. You are an awesome encourager, prayer, and friend. We have never met face to face, but when Jesus is your focus, you don't have to know someone face to face. I have never seen Jesus face to face. I pray I don't just lose it whenever I get that chance.

Thank you for not being afraid of the gospel. Thank you for walking your Christian walk with purity and holiness and righteousness. Does it really surprise you when there is persecution? Not me.

Have a great day. we will chat later. I just saw freedom's post about his lovely wife, and I had to chime in.

dust

10-12-2006, 05:41 PM

I feel wierd about it, but I'm blessed to have "forword" for a husband..I think he's got a lot of things I don't like extarodinary gift of mercy. And, he's literally saved a lot of lives..I'm not a saint. I think he was trying to make a point, but I think I've seen people here who are far better Christians than myself, Dove, Wildwood for starters...I have a lifetime of sin and mistakes behind me...so maybe my fervor is just a small exchange for my life..I don't know...it's the way God made me. But, I'm in no way the perfect Christian; there's only the perfect God, perfect Christ. I'm usually groping my way to truth just like everyone else.

wisedove

10-12-2006, 06:55 PM

yada yada yada/ you are still an awesome person and awesome example of a Christian...http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif

lablady2

10-12-2006, 09:30 PM

matt said: "Hey flo, speaking of trival garbage, it's Paula Deen on the Food Network. Pure lust. No, not after her, after those dishes she cooks in pure butter in a skillet. And what a sexy accent. I am in love but my arteries hate her."

Okay, matt, here I have to take exception. Granted that 50% of what goes on here might be trivial garbage, but Paula Deen is THE woman. Thanks to her, I'll continue to fight this post-partum weight (26 years and counting) but that's okay. Everything she cooks is larapin'.

Signed, Food Network Junkie (aka Food Junkie)

matt_hatter

10-12-2006, 09:55 PM

Gee, I was just giving "trivial garbage" some class, seeing how it was initially used disparagingly. I'll take out your trival garbage anytime LL. And Paula, what a woman. Just wish I could eat the stuff. One day, Allie and I will go to her place and sin royally.

lablady2

10-12-2006, 09:59 PM

matt: you and Allie may come to my house any time and "sin royally" - I still cook like Paula on occasion but I have to send it to work with my husband or give it away. Right now, I'm chasing the best apple pie recipe. Once a southern cook, always a southern cook. Sigh.

john_r_jones

10-12-2006, 11:56 PM

Ya know forword, there are plenty of places to post as you like what you like here. I'm always astonished at the folks who need to have everything suit them in order to be pleasant. Dissent is the essence of this joint to begin with, we've created these irreverent trails of thought because laughter is good medicine. There are numerous places to do otherwise, such as condemn those with whom you disagree to hell, sling scripture around and be obtuse. I frankly don't agree that EN has a biblical world view, I think they have a religious addiction. You may disagree and certainly have the right to do so. If that is the case why not create your own set of threads and express your thoughts and see how the response develops. It's funny to me I followed someone elses lead in the "Bunny Trails" to stay our of Phillip's way for his mission and as we've done that we're chastised for doing so. I'm afraid the "Huzzas" section is not well populated these days so if he or anyone else needs a cheering section they'd best rent one. No one is in a box here except of their own construct.

John

40days40years

10-13-2006, 12:22 AM

Dust I was referring to myself as a rightwing nut (since it is not popular here, even though I am more of a moderate) I am sure there is room for you in that club to. I alluded to you being a can of Popeye spinach who gives strength so that is a compliment. You did bring up Savage earlier and I am intrigued by him because he is fearless and seems to be almost immune to peer pressure. People don't know what to do with him, differant lobbies intimidated Dr. Laura but not Michael Savage, he says things that have a lot of truth but others are afraid to address because its not politically correct.

mdillon: What does intrigue me about the Amish is their approach to a simple lifestyle and work ethic.

I'm sure that can be rewarding breathing in that fresh air but they are commited to their own Babylon of control, there are elements of "we get it". I still don't get why they allow themselves to use wheels, is anything more worldly even in its shape. Maybe they should make room for play-station 3.

dust

10-13-2006, 01:49 AM

40, Thanks for writing....the popeye/spinach thing pretty funny. And, yes I love Michael Savage...okay, not afraid to say it.

JRJ,You've all made it very clear to Philip that you would post anywhere you wanted anyway you wanted, and you know you weren't exactly polite....a lot of sarcasm not with him at him. That's fine...I don't butt in there, but you brought him up.
And, you were VERY CLEAR, about FREEDOM to post anywhere, anytime, anything....so be it. You aren't IN CHARGE of the bunny trails and you can't start threads and make them exclusive or determine the content!

Now this thread TOOK A TURN TODAY and I wasn't the one who turned it. And some people got really sensitive, even questioning 40's faith, but that's okay, now isn't it. The eyes sit back and wait for the Christian to make a mistake and then either pull out one of two cards.

The Bible thumper card: You're a condemning Christian slinging your scriptures, etc.

The Accusation Card: See, you're not really a Christian

40 got the Accusation Card.
I got the Bible Thumper Card.

It's really quite cliche and I'm not intimidated.
To try again to say things about me that aren't true that I'm telling people they are going to hell, slinging scriptures and condemning..... I haven't done that.
I am not afraid to say I believe the bible to be true....if that is unacceptable to you, so be it.

I have a question I wonder if you're willing to answer. Do you believe the bible to be true, the Word of God without error?

Because you have a blog discussing Christian topics and the gospel, and I'm wondering how we could be so far apart if we are believing the same thing.

lablady2

10-13-2006, 02:02 AM

Seems to be a simple solution to me IF others really want to communicate about certain things together. Bunny trail threads for silliness and then anyone can start whatever kind of thread they wish to fulfill their needs. Then, maybe we can all try to respect the integrity of each particular thread. Won't be easy and we'll all goof from time to time, but might be worth a try.

The bunny trail threads were started to appease those who wanted to post about more serious stuff, to give them their space. No limit to the number of threads that can be started; there should be a way for all to be content.

forword

10-13-2006, 02:02 AM

JRJ speaking to me said: "I frankly don't agree that EN has a biblical world view..."

FW: That is not what I said... read my post again.

I said that “people in EN churches hold a Christian world view”. I left EN remember...I am not a defender of EN, but I am a defender of the Gospel.

Frankly, John, do you read your own stuff? You are being self righteous in reverse...you are being self-righteous about not being “religious”. So, you are practicing the same kind of control that you accuse EN of, except it has to be YOUR way, so that makes it somehow better than EN.

I am not at all happy with the way this board has been taken over by the “bunnies” with coarse jesting and the like. (I am going to have more to say about this later) However, we are all free and I have recognized that. In previous postings. I have stated that, while we are all free to do whatever we want, I asked all to strongly consider the consequences of their words and actions, and to consider if they were beneficial....and for that I was condemned. I was not trying to exert any kind of control, as you are.

Think about it folks.

dust

10-13-2006, 02:08 AM

Lablady this is what YOU wrote on the bunny trail today so give me a break:

40 days: you are an angry, bitter person. You seem to enjoy taunting or hurting others, and your unforgiveness toward the leadership in MCM is evident in more than one of your posts. How you square that with your walk with Christ and your ability to tell others how they should/think and act is lost on me, as is whatever witness for your faith you think you have. I see nothing you're offering that I would want in my life.

Lablady, you could have taken that to another thread also. Here is where it's confusing....And I don't really appreciate your mockery of my husband on the other thread. You get your feelings hurt easily, but you sure do jump in with your sarcasm...
I don't get you at all...you make snide comments about the only thing not garbage is the bunny threads...that's very condemning about the other threads that YOU YOURSELF participate in.

What's all that about.

lablady2

10-13-2006, 02:10 AM

forward said: "I am not at all happy with the way this board has been taken over by the “bunnies” with coarse jesting and the like.

AND

"I was not trying to exert any kind of control, as you are."

Really?

forward said: "I am going to have more to say about this later."

I wait with bated breath.

lablady2

10-13-2006, 02:15 AM

I wrote the truth about 40day, that's what that's about. Period. The reason it was on this trail is because it was in response to something 40days wrote on this trail previous to my post. So, tell 40days to post elsewhere.

I'm not posting any longer on any of the "religious" threads. This isn't a religious board, Christian or otherwise. Coarse jesting, joking and sarcasm MAY actually take place on some of the threads and, short of starting your own NON-PUBLIC board, there's really nothing you can do to control that. If you don't like it, don't respond.

I don't get my feelings hurt easily, but you won't slam my religion without some feedback, and you've done a fair deal of slamming yourself.

john_r_jones

10-13-2006, 02:23 AM

Forward,
I wish you well you're free to disagree, dis us, condemn, argue, hyperbolate what ever else makes your teeter-totter.

Jonesee

dust

10-13-2006, 02:34 AM

JRJ,
Why did you have to respond to Forword with such disdain in the first place. and you did....you had a lot of choices on where to take his thread. Lablady couldn't wait to just JOIN in and she doesn't know my husband. Neither do you. He's one awesome man. I don't know anyone better on a number of levels. He was a significant contributor to factnet and he was condemned for his concern of the bunny trails. He left the board. At that time, you could have given him some simple respect. It could have been worked out.....

You can mock him, paint him as a cartoon Christian, but you're wrong about your stereotypes. I don't see that love of the Father that you like to write about. I see mockery. Forword tried earlier this summer in a very polite way to talk to you all. You freaked out on him...like frat boys..It could have gone a different way,

LABLADY you weren't around so stay out of it. You like to stir it up and I think you enjoy the whole "sides" Christians fighting at each other. You didn't really have a dog in this race, but you eagerly pounced in.

It could have gone differently....in a lot of ways.....but just because I'm a Christian doesn't mean I shirk back and turn the other cheek in every instance.

lablady2

10-13-2006, 02:41 AM

Dust: I'm no longer responding to you. I'm on the bunny trails. If you wish to start something there, then just know that you are, in fact, the one starting something.

Have a nice evening.

wisedove

10-13-2006, 02:56 AM

Standing ALONE"
-Author unknown.

IT IS HUMAN to stand with the crowd; it is divine to stand alone.
It is man-like to follow the people, to drift with the tide; it is
God-like to follow a principle, to stem the tide.

It is natural to compromise conscience and follow the social and
religious fashion for the sake of gain or pleasure; it is divine to
sacrifice both on the altar of truth and duty.

"No man stood with me, but all men forsook me" (2 Timothy 4:16)
wrote the battle-scarred apostle in describing his appearance
before a civil court to answer for his life of believing and teaching
contrary to the Roman world.

God's absolute, revealed Truth has been out of fashion since man
changed his robe of fadeless light for a garment of faded leaves.

Noah built and voyaged alone. His neighbors laughed at his
strangeness and perished in style.

Abraham wandered and worshipped alone. Sodomites smiled at
the simple shepherd, followed the world's fashion, and fed the flames.

Daniel dined and prayed alone. Elijah sacrificed and witnessed
alone. Jeremiah prophesied and wept alone. Jesus loved and died alone.

And of the lonely way His disciples should walk, He said, "Straight
is the gate, and narrow is the way which leadeth unto life, and few
there be that find it." Matthew 7:14.

Of their treatment by the many who walk in the broad way, He said,
"If ye were of the world, the world would love his own; but because
ye are not of the world,. . . therefore the world hateth you." John 15:19.

The redeemed children of Israel in the wilderness praised Abraham
and persecuted Moses. The people of God in the days of the kings
praised Moses and persecuted the prophets. The court of Caiphas,
the high priest, praised the prophets and persecuted Jesus. The
church of the popes praised the Saviour and persecuted the saints.

And multitudes now, both in the church and the world, applaud the
courage and fortitude of the patriarchs and prophets, the apostles
and martyrs, but condemn as stubbornness or foolishness the
same faithfulness in standing for truth today.

Wanted, today, men and women, young and old, who will obey
their convictions of truth and duty at the cost of fortune and friends
and life itself.

"Jesus also, that He might sanctify the people with His own blood,
suffered without the gate. Let us go forth therefore unto Him
without the camp, bearing His reproach." (Hebrews 13:12-13).

~SOURCE: http://www.feasite.org/Tracts/fbcalone.htm
- © Fundamental Evangelistic Association.

wisedove

10-13-2006, 02:57 AM

the above was in my email. thought i'd share.

matt_hatter

10-13-2006, 03:35 AM

dovie, I say this with all humility, but with the words flying around tonight, the above post can leave a lot of people wondering what it means, so....what does it mean? Just asking.

wisedove

10-13-2006, 03:44 AM

Hi, Matt.
Thanks for asking. I saw all of the inflamation, went in my kitchen to fix a snack, prayed for the board, and asked God to help calm things down somehow, then i checked my email, saw that, and thought it might be appropriate for any one that might benefit from it in whatever way.

matt_hatter

10-13-2006, 03:47 AM

Thanks dovie, yer a peach. Keep prayin...

sameo

10-13-2006, 05:45 AM

I can't believe I am daring to pipe in here...but in my mind, this isn't a "Christian" board...it is an anti-cult board. Or at the very least a victim of 'spiritual abuse' board. Therefore, the problem for me comes by having it assumed this is an ALL christian or else...board. Now, I speak this from a christian heart. I still believe in the christian faith. Though mine is alittle 'messy.' (while I come back around from having been 'spiritually abused', and having been responsible for implementing these same abusive principles on other's, for nearly 10 yrs)I'm very sensitive at this time about speaking of Jesus and witnessing to people...after my own experience, except from a very real place. He has seen me fall on my face....and it wasn't pretty. So, I have no problem with letting other people believe their own views, especially since I'm still sorting mine out.(who am I to judge anyone) And I understand exactly where they are coming from. Some of us were severely abused, and did the same to other's. Maybe we're just in a different place in the road. Anyway, IMHO this isn't the place to proselytize.

matt_hatter

10-13-2006, 06:49 AM

especially since I'm still sorting mine out

I think this is a very salient point, yet we tend to over look it. We have folks in here at all stages of their spiritual walk. The common thread for most, was involvement in MCM/EN type churches. Figuring the whole thing out comes to folks at different times of their lives. Let's try to respect that. I'm preaching to myself here. Personally, MCM is a blip on my radar. Not so with others.

Billy Graham, one of our greatest evangelists, now thinks that God's ways and means are veiled from human eyes and wrapped in a mystery. "There are many things I don't understand."

You may disagree with Brother Graham, but I get it totally. It is the difference I see in a certain 25 yr old and the opening quote from sameo. I honestly struggle with a dogmatic person half my age so convinced of the truth, when I know what is ahead.

However, I have heard j2 post the same thought as sameo, and perceive her as a contemplative person. So it matters not concerning age, really, but I personally would rather talk to someone who readily admits that they don't have it all figured out; it indicates a heart that is still seeking, still looking for those deeper things of God. That is just my personal preference.

If you desire a certain style of Christian fellowship on line, it is easy to find. Factnet, however, is not that place. NOT AT ALL suggesting anyone should leave, but try to understand who may be in here posting. It is NOT going to be peachy keen, golly gee, old time religion. It should be real, and one should not have to worry about a sermonette after every post.

lablady2

10-13-2006, 07:00 AM

Sameo: I was touched by your post. Nothing wrong with "messy" in my opinion, though I'm sure others might disagree.

One of my favorite analogies comes from Corrie Ten Boom (sp). She was speaking about how messy her life felt (I think this is correct) and she likened it to a cross stitch - when she looked up, she saw the bottom of the cross stitch, the messy, knotted threads, but when God looked down, He saw the completed picture. May be simplistic, but I like it.

john_r_jones

10-13-2006, 07:46 AM

Dust and Forward,
I wrote this thoughtful post and erased it, I think you are provacatuers in need of an audience. I hope you find one.

John

40days40years

10-13-2006, 10:10 AM

Forward what you said I think is pretty good, your wife is a spinach tiger.

Lablady posted:I wrote the truth about 40day, that's what that's about. Period. The reason it was on this trail is because it was in response to something 40days wrote on this trail previous to my post. So, tell 40days to post elsewhere.

40: What? I was trying to be a good boy. I was posting about Bill Mack, Whole foods, the Amish, a message to Wildwood about Paul and the AntiChrist, then I thought John had not posted in awhile and I said come on John jump into the sharktank in a joking way. Hey I was the one bitten up pretty good in the shark tank (Ball/Martin/Bennot kids are pretty tough) I was invited to jump in so I did I took it and the other person was defended by all for their choice (can't I joke about it I am the one with the missing leg). John responded and said basically I'm tired right now and then?

40 days: you are an angry, bitter person. You seem to enjoy taunting or hurting others, and your unforgiveness toward the leadership in MCM is evident in more than one of your posts. How you square that with your walk with Christ and your ability to tell others how they should/think and act is lost on me, as is whatever witness for your faith you think you have. I see nothing you're offering that I would want in my life.

I ignored it because I was being a good boy. Now I am being told not to post here? O.K you guys are mad at me but I did take my bites in the shark tank. Takes a licking and keeps on ticking.
Mattie your great but don't joke about converting unless you mean it. It's all good, eat some fried chicken the colonel will love it.

I am very impressed with you guys, you fight ferociously to protect the rights of someone willing to reject Jesus (the foundation of MCM/MSI/EN -hopefully) will you fight with the same ferociousness for those who want to accept Jesus? p.s Harpel don't forget to shine Bill Macks shoes, you created this thing, chow http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/lol.gif

(Message edited by 40days40years on October 13, 2006)

j2theperson

10-13-2006, 10:21 AM

<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!>quote:

40/40: I am very impressed with you guys, you fight ferociously to protect the rights of someone willing to reject Jesus (the foundation of MCM/MSI/EN -hopefully) will you fight with the same ferociousness for those who want to accept Jesus.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
I don't see why a person's religious beliefs should come up at all during a discussion/fight over their rights. A person's rights do not hinge on their religious beliefs.

40days40years

10-13-2006, 10:56 AM

J-2, try that on judgement day. This is a christian cult board.

j2theperson

10-13-2006, 11:11 AM

<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!>quote:

40/40: try that on judgement day.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
I fail to see the logic in that statement. I do not understand why a person who is going to be condemned to hell upon their death should not have the same rights while they are living as those enjoyed by a person who will enter heaven upon their death.

<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!>quote:

40/40: This is a christian cult board.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
No, this is a discussion board that focuses on a particular "christian" cult but it is not a christian board per se.

40days40years

10-13-2006, 11:25 AM

Let me clarify J-2, after my run in with Lab. I got bit up pretty good by the board about me being a jerk. Anyway there was an overpowering message in my spirit and mind. That message was they have fought ferociously to defend the rights of those that want to reject my son (or the blood of the lamb) will they fight ferociously to defend those that want to accept it? I don't like words at least when they concern me giving them because what if I am wrong? I prayed to the Lord and told him you want that message given have someone else give it. So I did nothing with it but I decided to interject it into the latest conversation. Guess what J-2 I posted what I posted (40days) but the only part you responded to was what I thought might be a word.

j2theperson

10-13-2006, 11:49 AM

<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!>quote:

40/40: Guess what J-2 I posted what I posted (40days) but the only part you responded to was what I thought might be a word.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
The rest of what you posted was about a conversation I took no part in so I didn't see the need to comment on it. I have however defended Lablady, so that part I felt it was appropriate for me to respond to.

For what its worth, at this point in time, my own personal opinion is that you're probably a nicer person than you've come across in some of your recent posts. I suspect you sound harsher than you actually mean to. This is the written word we're communicating with and communicating tone and expression can be difficult.

I disagree with some of the things you've said to Lablady and I disagree with your belief that this is a Christian discussion board. If I disagree with you, I might voice my disagreement, but that does not mean I think you should leave or stop posting. Conversely, I might not think you should stop posting here, but that does not mean I'm going to stop disagreeing with you either.

And, for what it's worth, I think you're a pretty funny guy at times. In fact, I submitted one of your quotes (http://www.overheardinnewyork.com/archives/006084.html) to Overheard In New York once (eventhough I read it here on this message board and neither of us live in New York. [It's the quote about the Vampires by the way.])

flo1151

10-13-2006, 12:06 PM

sameo,
You said your faith was a little messy. "Messy faith" title of a book? I was really touched by your post. If you were in one of my churches I am sure I had something to do with your abuse. I am truly sorry. I too am not the witnessing fool I was back then. Just try and keep my head down and my path straight.

40,

The difference as I see it is this spiritual abuse took place at the hands of a christian group not a jewish group. Therefore christianity comes under fire here more than if it was another religion. I know some have stronger beliefs than others. Does that mean they have stronger faith? I don't think so. We are all on a path I believe to please God to the best of our ability. I know my doctrines have changed over the years but my faith in God has only gotten stronger.
Do you think that there is room for people on this board to be at different places in their walk with God. I am sure you do. That also means that there may be a difference in belief but I can honestly say that there is not one person here that I do not consider my brother or sister.

flo

john_r_jones

10-13-2006, 02:46 PM

In Genesis there is a promise given us by God in the form of a bow set in the sky. It tells us that never again will he destroy the earth in his sorrow over the sinfulness of men. I also conclude from this promise that there is no need for an ark for a separation mentality of being superior. That salvation is not for a select few but for the many and that we are called to be salt and light to the earth, not in condemnation but in redemption do we serve. That grace is a part and parcel of God's kingdom and God's plan for us as humans. Saving grace is a grace that brings change though, God's grace brings change where we aren't able to.

That said why name a thread as a euphemism for masturbation, for self gratification? I asked and posed in the initiation of this thread some indirect questions along that line and I spoke of self gratification and ministry. I think ministry that engorges some in leadership in egotistic, self aggrandizement is certainly not productive. It doesn't bring life to those who are under their hegemony; it instead is an abuse of power for selfish purposes.

I use the shock value of that notion to illustrate how repugnant that can be. Oddly enough the folks in that system of self gratification suffer on the one hand because they're not cared for and on the other because it creates an every man for himself atmosphere of survival of the fittest. A Darwinian system of natural selection exists that counters the biblical proscription against such in calling us to "bear the burdens of the weak."

John

dust

10-13-2006, 03:21 PM

I don't believe in EVOLUTION, John, but you already know that. I hope it's okay that I dont' think you came from a monkey.

We don't believe the same things...that very clear. That's wasn't so clear before, lots of posts about Jesus and the Father. Walk into most churchs, and they will believe the bible to be true.
That's what I thought most people believed and then it became evident....lots of different beliefs here.

You don't want to hear anything Christian.....should have said this long ago....at least now there is honesty, and you are very liberal Christian, I SINCERELY DIDN'T KNOW THAT BEFORE.
A big reason for the confusion. You write about it, but at same time reject a lot about it that is true. This send confusing signals.

What is the most disturbing to me is you deciding who is a real Christian and taking shots at the faith. That seems okay, though. I respond to those shots and then I'm too religious. What would you expect and where is the room for me to believe strongly what I believe. I never asked you to believe what I believe, but to allow room for it. There is no room for it.

You want to take your shots at me personally....if that makes you feel comfortable, do it.

This is not a place for people from Every Nation looking for answers. Two different histories altogether...and that is more and more evident.

john_r_jones

10-13-2006, 03:25 PM

My dear dust,
I'm glad you've been able to determine all of that from my posts and it gives you whatever it is you need.

John

mdillon

10-13-2006, 04:05 PM

sameo-I can't believe I am daring to pipe in here

please dare to pipe in more. it is obvious that you spoke from a place that many are fearful of going---utter dependance upon Him and not just what you 'believe'. only comes through brokenness. thank you for the 'salt'. You have no idea how many people who lurk here will find healing and mercy because of your willingness to share your experience.

flo-I know my doctrines have changed over the years but my faith in God has only gotten stronger.

ditto mon frere. thank you for this. purity of doctrine will never produce unity, it will always bring division. btw, i still am amazed at finding you here and am so thankful.

jonesee-A Darwinian system of natural selection exists that counters the biblical proscription against such in calling us to "bear the burdens of the weak."

jrj MCM was the complete proof of this. we preached the 'priesthood' of believers but we practiced priestcraft, a higher calling, a higher caste, sect, etc. of those who were to be 'ministers'. We published a paper touting american principles of free market/anticommunism and yet it was funded by a forced socialistic system of subscription. We claimed we would "outreach" (ok, pardon me while I wretch over this word)to save those who were lost and build the 'kingdom' when in reality all we were doing was 'playing with ourselves'. We didn't know Love from our fist. We became as those that Paul mentioned 'men who opposed themselves'. It was the mercy of God that brought an end to it in 1989. It is the folly of Man that it has been resurrected. In spite of it all I truly marvel that He still plucks those that are His from the carnage.

flo, jonesee, you guys are killing me with all the creole talk. got a bad hankering to suck some heads.

dillyeaux

dust

10-13-2006, 04:27 PM

John
If you mean "dear" then good, that's a start in right direction. If it's mocking me, then not so good. There is always a choice to talk to each other directly, decently, honestly.

It's not necessary to paint me or my husband as dark, oppressive finger pointing, ground stomping Christians...that's on TV when the show is trying to paint Christians as negative. And, I'm not trying to convert anyone. WHen we came to this board, we made assumptions, wrong that they were, that we were all coming from the a similar worldview. So, this is not a religious board? Okay, fine. The worldview is different for everyone okay fine.

But, we're not a charicature..that would make it easy, kind of tidy to box us up as finger pointing bible thumping cartoon characters like you see on T.V. That kind of stereotype everyone hates including us....and that little box of bible thumper degrades Forword and I as something one-dimensional, but easier to hate. I've shared my history, my sin, my mistakes and my pain on this board, been quite transparent in that...so I'm sorry that was missed....

matt_hatter

10-13-2006, 04:41 PM

"degrades Forword and I as something one-dimensional, but easier to hate."

dust, I have told you I respect your walk with Christ, however, throwing words around like "hate" makes me wonder if you are operating in some kind of Christian-persecution complex. Nobody hates you, but you seem to be like Al Sharpton and the race issue, looking very hard to find a racist under every rock.

I attend a very conservative Baptist church and my beliefs are sincere, I hope, I just don't find myself threatened by different views. God doesn't need my help to defend Him.

wildwood_

10-13-2006, 05:16 PM

Dear Goldie (Dust) and JohnR;
I truly care much for you both... and have found the loving kindness of Jesus in both your hearts and Wisdom and Truth. I call "Dust" Goldie because I've come to think of her as Gold Dust sprinkled along a rainbow...always reminding me of God's Promise. I call JohnR...a "Wise Bunny" but it's the wisdom of bunny who escaped a snare...and sees from a mountain top and from there to soar with wings of Eagles...

Goldie, I do not think any intent of heart was to hold either you or Forward as charicatures of Bible thumpers... JohnR, I do not think any intent of their heart was to be provacatuers in need of an audience....

I do think that we are all becomers...and the becoming is a long, long trip... so pulling over to a rest area, getting out, walking around, having something to drink and taking a big swig of benedryl...for my daughter's allergies...funny how those allergies increase after the first couple of hundred miles, by the time we hit a thousand...they'd just be out of control if we didn't have benedryl with us. Our last trip, "Sarge" even suggested I take some for my allergies too...don't know why, I wasn't sneezing...just commenting on him driving in the left lane & hanging there...

Sincerely and with Prayerful Hope,
Wildwood

P.S. Actually, a nap sounds good right now...Hey Hatter, guess since you are at work you need to stay awake through lunch...or can you take quick "nap" at your desk???

wisedove

10-13-2006, 05:35 PM

hey, wildone-
I crack up at your honest posts. Perhaps sarge thinks if he gave you benadryl, he'd be able to just cruise right along without distractions....hehe
thanks for your post, oh wild peacemaker.

wildwood_

10-13-2006, 06:55 PM

From somewhere on the Internet: <blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!>quote:

The Colt model 1873 revolver, universally known as the Peacemaker one of the most popular and legendary small arms in USA. It is also one of the longest living production small arms, being produced for some 130 years and still popular. Since this handgun has no special drop-proof safeties, it is strongly recommended that it should be carried with the empty chamber under the hammer (with only 5 rounds loaded).<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

OK…Dovey…now you know…I’d drop it & hurt myself & it would make a loud sharp noise and I don’t like loud noises, especially when limping on one foot trying to find a Band-Aid…. I would blame it on the "Sarge"...of course. I’m going to take a nap (really it’s rainy here) before my child comes home…although I think we do have benedryl around here somewhere….http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

However, if perhaps shooting one off would be helpful here...I'd try it. I do so love the hearts that I've stumbled into on this board...they've all rather stumbled into mine... But, first... I've got to find some earplugs because I know that particular gun would take two hands for me hold, so I can't cover even one ear & pull the trigger.

lablady2

10-13-2006, 07:10 PM

"I attend a very conservative Baptist church and my beliefs are sincere, I hope, I just don't find myself threatened by different views. God doesn't need my help to defend Him."

I think this is what contributes to an element of agreement between some here. I, too, feel very strongly about what I believe, but I am in no way threatened by other views. I'm hardly a liberal, although many would think so (Republitarian, if you need a title) but I honestly think that diversity and differing opinions and even beliefs are a good thing. God is firmly in control, and His truth will ultimately prevail. Even if that means I got it wrong somehow, that's okay..as long as God and His truth prevail. I can rest in that because I know He is good.

coppertree

10-13-2006, 09:29 PM

Hi catching up
I am slugging my way through German translations of Catholic saints, all for my thesis in art history. Wow, it is interesting, it all leads to Rome ,he,he sorry silly joke.
But it does, consider the veneration of relics. These relics would be pieces of ,in St. Blasius case skin and bones, etc. Each church wanted a part of a saints body and on holidays would parade theirs about the town in a great procession.
Towns would be known for their relics in their town churches, this not far removed from the Greek, and their habit of dragging body parts around town, as a fact of their defeat of one of their gods that may have opposed them at some time. The author in this article, made a strong point to say that this veneration of body part was a Christian belief because, it was positive. The point was that the Greeks were destroying , but the Christians were preserving.}

I am reminded that when salt loses it's saltiness, and therefore it's use, and affect on the world.That there is away to bring it again to use. It requires the use of blood. The blood is applied to the salt, and it becomes salty again. But it is expensive.

flo1151

10-13-2006, 09:47 PM

copper,

I always believed the letter kills but the spirit gives life. And let you conversation be seasoned with salt. If our life and conversation doesn't have some sort of redemption in it than we are like the dead letter of the law instead of the living word. I believe when I was in my most prestigious point in maranatha I was probably at the least salty of my life. At least for me the knowing all the answers and being condecending to the world left the world unchanged. We have to realise we still have feet of clay and are not far removed from the flames of hell lapping at our feet.

flo

wildwood_

10-13-2006, 10:26 PM

Hey 40/40 about the “milk & cookies”!!!LOL. Possibly true... I cringed at your “Amen” because I did…and I told you why & hope to gain understanding from there and move ahead. —So, out in the open we all hop because if you can see “me” then maybe I can begin to “see” you and understanding and talking and talking and maybe more talking…and keeping our Swords of the Spirit in their sheathes unless a roaring lion wanders in (and yes, I’d probably want to check his paw for a thorn first before we slay him…although, I’d would like to shove someone else in front of me to do that…). I try very hard to just be “me” on this board, and to let my heart and most thoughts be “seen”—because many years ago, I did keep “hidden” to be able to fit somewhat within my “Group”… What would have happened way back then if I’d spoken loudly or maybe even softly? If I’d dared to show the trembling “failures” of my faith, the sadness of my heart…or laugh out loud at the absurd notion that Jed or Sister Cindy preached the Gospel of Christ…they didn’t. Flat out. They didn’t. They didn’t bring any “Good News” ever on Campus…just threw rocks & sticks at the students…who in turn did view them quite a bit like monkeys in a zoo. (I’m willing to confess I did not make all the exhibits so perhaps this didn’t happen each time…). Whether I post on a Factnet Message board or on another forum, or in private or in public…I am a Christian…not always right, not perfect, rather stubborn at times, and I am fixed on one core belief that’s never changed… “Jesus loves us this I know for the Bible tells me so…Little ones to Him belong, They are weak and He is strong.”

And although, I don't like loud noises, I'd probably have been cheering with Paul regarding his comments in Gal5. He was annoyed at those agitators who’d deliberately tried to confuse the truth of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and to trip up the strong race that the Galatians had been running towards their “Prize”. I know how to use a whetstone and I’d probably be sharpening the izmel for Paul’s use… (I did not know the correct term for “izmel” I had to look that up…). But he continues on with a hug...
Gal 5: 13-14…You, my brothers, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the sinful nature; rather, serve one another in love. The entire law is summed up in a single command: "Love your neighbor as yourself." If you keep on biting and devouring each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other

And about the cookies & milk to the anti-Christ…hmmm, possibly but it would really not be a kindness to his stomach since I’m terrible at baking cookies. I’ve found that most false teachers run from the Light because it will reveal their flaws… Those who embrace the Light, knowing their flaws will be seen…are true…because they know His Grace covers a multitude of sins and He Forgives with an everlasting Forgiveness. I know the Real Jesus…and His Truth cannot be counterfeited… I might offer them cookies & milk with one hand, but I’d have a large flashlight in the other....of course that’s where walking on the road with friends does come in handy…extra hands to hold things, like flashlights, clean socks, izmels, cookies, a map, reference Bibles, and Swords & a jug of milk (2%) to chase the prowling wolves away as we follow our Shepherd Home.

1 John 3: 1-3 How great is the love the Father has lavished on us, that we should be called children of God! And that is what we are! The reason the world does not know us is that it did not know him. Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when he appears we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is… }

wildwood_

10-13-2006, 10:31 PM

And Greetings Copper, Flo and Lablady...if I could ever tame my thoughts to the concise distilled versions of wisdom that you all post..! It would make my family much happier (and me too since I wouldn't have to keep figuring out how to make it "fit")...something about feeding them in a timely manner & not typing such long...posts...
I saw the pizza suggestion on another thread...Sounds Yummy...

dust

10-13-2006, 11:40 PM

HI Mat, Okay hate was strong...it just felt like that. sorry.

JRJ: I reread your post....you're right...I didn't get it. but my husband explained to me...this title probably has gone far over the head of the women here...It's just not an expression I ever used...and I don't think I would have made the leap from ....ing the monkey to religious matters....no I wouldn't have made that leap...so forget the evolution remarks they don't fit. Somewhere I wish I could appreciate the humor. Maybe in a movie I would. Did you see the Haiku Tunnel or The Science of Sleep...we like those wierd movies...and you're probably in there somewhere.

coppertree

10-14-2006, 12:00 AM

Hi All
Yes, thank you Flo. I chuckled at first about the veneration of saints bones, until I thought about it a little. We as a group, the body on the earth now, sometimes don't act so different. It is good to be free of a few bones that we carrying about in our pockets.

He came to free us, but I did get well tangled in MCM. I thank Him for freeing me again. It is nice to breathe, and live. And to know all of you!

Thank you as ever Wildwood, you are a great gift to the body. Thank you.}

coppertree

10-14-2006, 12:07 AM

wisedove

10-14-2006, 12:30 AM

pulling another double dilly dipper, huh copper?!

Wildwood,
You truly are a blessing to the body. (There are many here who would love to criticize these statements because this is not a "christian" board.) Oh, well. I am a Christian. I went to a church that decided to join EN. I immediately saw/perceived/discerned changes that took place to be quite disturbing, but hung in for 5 years praying any way for God to do a miracle. I stumble (reminding myself that the steps of the righteous are ordered by the Lord) upon this message board over a year ago, 1 year before I literally got pulled out (by the Lord) of my church, and have remained on this board long after I truly needed to, for the reasons changed for me as to why I came here.

This may not be a Christian board. it is a religeous board. and, this particular group of threads on this board DO have to pertain to CHRISTIAN doctrine, beliefs, etc. Therefore, I would only expect to see Christian things discussed. (Even on the bunny trails.)

All that to say that yes, Wildwood, you are unique and a tremendous blessing to THE BODY of Christ. ditto what coppertree said. This may not be a Christians only board, but I sure do see a great sampling of the BODY of Christ at large. It is awesome.

wisedove

10-14-2006, 12:35 AM

P.s. I have wondered why I keep returning here myself a lot lately. I wonder why God is even allowing my participation here sometimes. I asked Him today if it is fruitful, pleasing to Him, beneficial in any way, and then I thanked Him for the nod of O.K. to continue to participate here. I do say it gets to be a bit draining at times. That's when I wonder if it is beneficial. I can surely find other things to do, but there's something about being able to connect with new friends and read about things like this...<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!>quote:

of course that’s where walking on the road with friends does come in handy…extra hands to hold things, like flashlights, clean socks, izmels, cookies, a map, reference Bibles, and Swords & a jug of milk (2%) to chase the prowling wolves away as we follow our Shepherd Home.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote> that keeps me returning here.

freedom43

10-14-2006, 12:37 AM

Okay, I'm slow -- just got the title of this thread. I saw it earlier and didn't give it a second thought -- just figured it was another silly funny bunny trail title. The question is -- now that I got it, what do I do with that information?

wildwood_

10-14-2006, 01:35 AM

Hi Free43!! Delete it. Erase it. Ignore It. KNOWING that apparently all men over 50 (and under) are just beasts...! Clueless was working just fine for me and although I did read the entire thread several times...including JohnR's direct terminology ...I was thinking specific post not thread title so I was still clueless...but looking at your post & Dustie's...I went back to figure it out....
and I'm sorry to have to do this but:

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/FactLogoSmall.gif BACK, BACK, BACK into the clueless recesses of my mind.... Oh, where's Miltie when badges need flashing...!! then again...didn't he leave the seat up...or was that Flo...see...beasts... http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif Now over to the ladies more refined pee soup...

flo1151

10-14-2006, 02:17 AM

Are you making a citizens arrest, flashing that badge around? I guess you are like Angie Dickinson on police woman( I know that is before your time). That was when TV was on three networks. It may be time to load up your bullet. Wildwood Fife. teetong envyhttp://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gifhttp://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/smile.gifhttp://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

j2theperson

10-14-2006, 02:59 AM

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Freedom: Okay, I'm slow -- just got the title of this thread. I saw it earlier and didn't give it a second thought -- just figured it was another silly funny bunny trail title. The question is -- now that I got it, what do I do with that information?<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
I got the thread title but could not, for the life of me, figure out why John would name it that and wondered if maybe I had my euphemistic definitions wrong. I solved things by strategically ignoring them. I'm glad everything has now been explained.

wildwood_

10-14-2006, 03:27 AM

Flo! Sadly, Angie is not before my time (and I offer Jack Lord & Hawaii 5-0 as proof that I do know what a real Law Man looked like about 30 years or so ago....I liked "Pete" and "Linc" and "Julie" too but now their boss seems strangely more my type.)...However, since I have chosen to live in a perpetual state of cluelessness and to be a hot babe with J2...in my 20's..! (Please J2 a little airbrush work, photoshop stuff...really I'll be fine). I will merely ask "Angie ? Who ?" And I will remind you that I have a whetstone and I'm not afraid to use it. The word "Izmel" is becoming a rather pleasant & significant addition to my vocabulary! I thought maybe just the Badge would be enough...to arrest this rampant arrested development. But now I'm just hoping Ginger's Mom starts chasing you all around the table with a big stick. Forget the Citizen's Arrest...you know you'd just want to bail out & Dog has enough to worry about right now. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/blush.gif

flo1151

10-14-2006, 03:47 AM

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flo1151

10-14-2006, 03:47 AM

wild
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coppertree

10-14-2006, 04:08 AM

Hi All-about the name of the thread,
I think that is like french TV, that has both the scared and the profane, back to back together. I am thinking also about the French All Saints Day, it comes from all holwes (sic) eve. That would be our Halloween, which is now as much for adults with parties etc., as for the children. In Paris, I got to see,a great washing of the streets and side walks before All Saints Day. That day, people go and put flowers on the graves of their parents and families, I was near the largest cemetery in the city. All week flowers were for sale on the sidewalks, stores and public squares, it was quite something to see. A very civilized place.}

vanguard

10-14-2006, 04:27 AM

There was several times when I was growing up, when Ma gets frustrated. She would get a knife or a pair of scissors, hold it to her throat and yell at me "Do you want me to die ????" Do you want me to die ???"

In the meantime, I was calculating, If I said yes, She might not even kill herself, instead she would beat me up. I kept thinking should I take the risk ? should I ? Should I? Get beat up or we'll see if she would really do it ?

I kept calculating those thoughts in my mind, I am soooo tempted to say yes but what if she did not do it and she beats me instead. Tilll she stop yelling , Then she would pop some pills and told me to leave.

Anyway, Those pills were unprescribe Valiums.

Even when I left her, I kept calculating, what if I said yes ? Would she really do it ??

Matt _ I wont be a good counselor, If anybody said they want to kill themselves, I would say go ahead.

ginger1

40days40years

10-14-2006, 08:32 AM

Was going to stay away but here goes. J-2 thanks for that honor of quoting my theories on idiocies of vampires I thought my post had creeped you out but I was wrong. I loved the series Forever Night with the vampire police officer but in general the modern vampire makes no sense. 600 hundred year old vampires hanging out at a rave party for teeny boppers and dressing like them? (yeah right). 2 dozen vampires looking like drug addicts in tight spandex and leather living in a wherehouse? Gee that won't catch the cops attention, what happens when they show up at noon when the sun is out in full force? Anyway it does not matter because if there is a vampire movie I will watch it, rent it or check it out from the library. I am going to see it.

jrj and mdillon about the concept of elitism. mdillon: jonesee-A Darwinian system of natural selection exists that counters the biblical proscription against such in calling us to "bear the burdens of the weak."

Now the irony of this statement is I remember Joe Smith talking to a jock in the mid eighties why he now "Joe" thinks football does not glorify Christ, because it was elitist, the weak sit on the bench not all can participate and the strong are glorified (Darwin). The young man was telling Joe what about the good things like building character and discipline...etc. Joe said he use to believe that to. He said that the strong were suppose to help the weak and that is not the essence of football, not an exact quote but close enough. Gee what would Champions for Chirst do with that philosophy? Joe did send our pastor money so he could attend a mandatory staff meeting, like I said before Joe was nice to me even though others had differant experiences irony it's a beach.

Thanks Flo for insight.

Wildwood God bless I will check out those scriptures you provided but you still don't have me completely sold. I think if the Paul of 2000 years a go was posting here he would be shaking things up about many things and many choices. He might have you shaking your head. In regards to the AntiChrist, he is much more talented then just being a false teacher even the very elect are in danger of being decieved when confronted with his ways. Pretty funny stuff about you killing him with your cooking.

Hi Wise Dove, I do think that the Old Testament rituals and feasts and customs along with the design of the temple point to Christ. There is alot to be learned from it even though I do agree with your position but any insight into this stuff from anyone is good.

I am sure I left others out. Sorry for offending some about my comments about the Amish I just can't relate thats all. I guess the Amish are kind of like WOF folk in that they believe it will work out. I know calling a gun Peace Maker is a perversion of the gospel maybe the makers decided to market it that way because it was politically incorrect. It is kind of like that nuclear missile sub named Corpus Christi. God bless the Amish but I still want a Colt Peacemaker, maybe and F-16 in the garage with a tarp over it.

(Message edited by 40days40years on October 14, 2006)

j2theperson

10-14-2006, 10:38 AM

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40/40: Sorry for offending some about my comments about the Amish I just can't relate thats all.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
I also am somewhat skeptical of the Amish way of life and mode of thinking. As an outsider looking in, my main thought is: it's one thing to claim you forgive but another thing entirely to genuinely reach a place of emotional peace and acceptance. Maybe it works for them; I don't know. But, I do know that I would not respond as they have responded, nor am I convinced their response is psychologically healthy, and, at this point in time, I feel no conviction that I ought to respond the way they do.

For me, forgiveness is not something that I can make myself experience overnight, and I reserve the right to allow the process of forgiveness to take time. Christ said we're supposed to forgive 70 times 7. I find that a very freeing statement because it means Christ does not expect me to get it right the first time. If someone hurts me very deeply, maybe it will take all 490 times before I am able to genuinely forgive him.

wisedove

10-14-2006, 01:50 PM

j2,
I never looked at forgiveness that way, as freeing, because of the 70 x 7 thing. That's interesting. I have someone that I have forgiven that terribly (can't emphasize that enough) wronged me, and I THOUGHT I had forgiven this person at least 100 times over the last few years (we are not in relationship with this person) but anger and bitterness tries to creep in if I dwell on things too much.

390 more times and i might be totally free?! That's an interesting perspective.

I have found forgiveness in general to be quite freeing. It frees YOU. (the forgiver.) You are released. It's funny, God used to allow me to run in to this person at the store. She would ignore me as if I didn't exist, and this is a close family member. It used to hurt, but now, I just get a little sad for her, becuase she is not free. She did not receive my forgiveness, doesn't think she needs it, I guess. But, I am released through the Process of forgiveness. We are to bless those that curse us. That's a biggie. So, forgiveness and blessings can work together in the healing process.

wisedove

10-14-2006, 01:54 PM

Hi, 40.
I am trying to remember what I said above that you are referencing. The Body of Christ thing? thanks anyway! It's cold here today in Louisiana (finally feeling like fall.) I had my windows opened last night and woke up to 65 degrees in my home. I sleep sooo well in the cold, but hope my children are o.k. (hubby hates it real cold at night, but he's still fly-fishin....hehehehe)

matt_hatter

10-14-2006, 01:59 PM

Matt _ I wont be a good counselor, If anybody said they want to kill themselves, I would say go ahead.

Ginger, sometimes I think westerners could use a little dose of asian thinking. I remember you saying once that it is much more blunt than western thinking. Would be refreshing, instead of playing the word games that we have to jump through at times on jobs, etc.

My all time favorite: Chinese kids don't understand something? Kill it. (referring to LL's bat). That just cracked me up.

J2, my feelings mirror yours on forgiveness. I could not do what these people did if it was my son. I would probably be more like the defendant in "A Time to Kill". Just being real. We were told for years that forgiveness is a choice, not a feeling, truth I suppose, but I too have realized that it does come over time with me and it is OK with the God I serve.

I can remember having long periods of time wanting to beat the ever living stew outta Bob W.for the things he did, not necessarily to me, but to others. It all faded in time, as he did from my memory. Now? Just a ****ant with a personality disorder. Maybe that sounds too simplistic, but that is how forgiveness works for the Hatter.