Mario Murillo who is he and what do ya know about him

[bob_o_link (bob_o_link)]

Is there anyone who knows about this fella Mario Murillo an what type of ministry he does?

What is his most current relations with Mr. C?

Did he get back togther with his wife after all this came down?

God Bless Y'all and Keep His love at the top.

[hope_faith_and_love (hope_faith_and_love)]

This is not what Christ stands for.

[bob_o_link (bob_o_link)]

Ms. Faith,

Can you explain what you mean? What is the answer the question if ya would please stop bein' hostile and accusatory.

Thanks Darlin'.

[hope_faith_and_love (hope_faith_and_love)]

Read my last comment from the other post. You are just evil with what you plot. And how anyone would want to join in with you is beyond even what I can fathom.

[hope_faith_and_love (hope_faith_and_love)]

Why'd you run, Bob? Can't handle the truth? Want to stay away from it? That sounds about like it.

[bob_o_link (bob_o_link)]

Run??? Honey Dew, I ain't runnin'. I jest ate some California Pizza Kitchen Margherita pizza is all. An I was checking out some info on other sites about this Mr. C an the actress Patricia.

Handle truth? Thats what you ain't willing to do or I should say y'all are tryin' to handle it instead of lookin' it straight in the face of humbleness an truthfulness.

I ain't never seen people so justifyn' of someone's wrong doin to the point of hate, besides ole Hillary before she knew she was lied to.

Why are ya bashin' me? Are ya like the enforcers of the town an want to meet me at the Town Square for a Showdown. I feel like ya want to kill someone or something, calm down an stop slinging the term evil around like ya own it.

I ain't runnin' darlin', an I ain't hatin' like y'all neither.

Ken I finish my pizza now?

God Love Ya an Cleanse Ya.

[bob_o_link (bob_o_link)]

Hey There,

No one will fill me in? I hear all kinds o things an thought one of y'all would have facts on fact net? I checked the man's web an all it is, is under construction?????? Mario Murillo is a friend now of the man who stole his wife?

Does that bug ya? It is hard to understand even if ya put Jesus name in it. Sure Sure Sure, ya have to, ya gotta forgive, but it ain't right to act like real things ain't real.

Don't know why this girl has it in for me. I ain't evil, but her hate is.

So I say, love an understandin' to you an the Spirit of our Lord fall upon ya. Mean it.

Good Night

[dan_wade (dan_wade)]

Bob O -

I'll give you the Readers Digest version -
Mario and Carman were friends many (10-15) years ago. Mario gets married. Marios wife says shes in love w/ another man & leaves Mario.
Wife goes to Carman and says Mario beat her, cheated on her, etc. She gets a divorce & Carman marries her.
She starts to mess around on Carman too. Carman hires private investigator to follow Mario and se if allegations of abuse and fornication are true. Investigator tells Carman that MArio is a "g" rated guy and if he keeps following him, he (the investigator) feels that God is going to kill him.
Carman and wife get an annulment. Carman and Mario reconcile.
Thats it so far.

Dan

[bob_o_link (bob_o_link)]

Dan,

Thanks much brother. I don't know what to believe bout all this. I still think it is not the best thing to have a get together on the TBN shows with these two fellas cause of the sleepin with the same woman, an public exampling an such the like.

Every time I pray, I get a sense that Mr. C was reaping somethings. Now I don't want to be pursuaded against him by posters who think he ain't saved, but I ken't get away from a sense in the Holy Ghost that he touched someone anointed by God an then went thru at least a taste of what he did somehow.

Only God knows it all.

Have you seen the controllin', manipulatin', dependent on his momma man that so many are sayin'? If yer afread to be honest cause I guess, people say he's a suer ( not right in my Bible) I guess ya ken't answer.

But hey thanks a mill bro. I would like to know what kind of ministry that Mario Murillo has accomplished an if he is bigger minister or a musician. I ken't find much about him an his web site is under construction.

When you said that the investigator felt like God was goin to kill him that feels like a signal to Mr. C about someone in his past. Now, I know that seems a might fishy, but it is how it feels when I pray.

See, it looks a bit to me like God is speakin' or dealin' concernin' him on the web. There are some folks that are plainly hurt, mad an hateful an others who are blind in love or somethin'. But I had to ask myself, why is this an what things are being said comin out. It ain't all the Devil.

Still figurin', still prayin',

God Bless and Give you Joy in your Journey.

bol

[hillbilly (hillbilly)]

Dan,

It was my understanding that Carman was not able to get an annulment and had to get a divorce.

God Bless,

[lookingup (lookingup)]

For Wanda,

Tribute to a friend and true Child of the King



Hey kid.

Wow. If you could hear me now, what would I say?

Well, my first thought is, You should have seen your funeral.

Strange thought, but true.

There were over 400 people there!

They didn’t call it a “funeral”.

It was a “memorial service.

And, You deserve to be remembered.

You were a real woman of God

Not many women could ever measure up to you.

How many times did I ask you, “Where do you get your energy?”

Wanda

Wanda

Man.

You were the healthiest person any of us ever knew.

How many times did you get onto each and every person you knew? “You need to eat better.” “You need to excursive more!” “Take care of yourself.” “Your body is the temple of God!”

Guess breast cancer doesn’t care how healthy a person is.

Anyway.

What can I write as a tribute to you, dear friend?

Is there anything that was not said at your memorial service?

Oh, you should have seen it!

There were over 400 people there!

All ages, all walks of life.

One of your co-workers stood to tell that you were the reason she was able to get off of drugs.

She said, “Sometimes all you need is just one person to believe in you, and Wanda was my one person.”

John stood to say that, “WANDA LOVED OU FOOTBALL!!”

Bless his heart!

He said, “she came over to watch the games with me, because I have a big TV and my house is quiet, so we could watch the game with out anything interrupting it.”

“SHE REALLY LOVED OU!”

Then, his voice quieted, “Wanda was a good friend of mine.”

Big John. Bless his heart.

I wonder if I’m the only one who knows that you hated football?

Bet there are a couple of others.

But don’t worry, we wont tell him.

John will be OK. His cancer is in remission. We’ll watch after him for you.

I wanted to stand and tell everyone about the time you insisted on babysitting our newborn twins!

But, I just couldn’t.

Or the goofy things you would think up for Sunday school parties and gag gifts.

Mike sang, “God Still Loves the World.”

He had a hard time, but he did it for you, and for Melinda and Rob.

Micki sang.

She couldn’t talk, really, but she sang so beautifully, for you.


DJ, beautiful, sweet DJ, stood to say, “For a woman who hated cooking, she sure had us over for lunch a lot!”

She told of all that you did for the College and Career group, and how you always hosted parties and sleepovers for the girls, and how you were always there for them.

That was a repetitive theme.

“Whatever the need, Wanda was always there.”

So many people talked about all of the times you opened your house to someone who needed a place to stay.

BUT, MY FAVORITE PART!!!

Was the young man, from the night job that you had for a while!!

I remember asking why you would take a night job, when you had such a high day position and so much stress during the day.

You said “because I have some debt to pay, two kids to put through college, but also, GOD TOLD ME to work there. There are some young people there that need a mother figure and a Christian influence, and I’M IT.”

And now, years later, at your memorial service, one of those “young people” from that job stood to say that there were so many in his office who were doing drugs and “the wrong things”

“Wanda always talked about the Lord. She knew what we were doing. She didn’t judge us, she just kept reminding us that God was there and we needed to get right with Him. She ended up leading several of us to the Lord.”

He said that he had been running from God, and that “Wanda just wouldn’t give up on me.”

He said, “I didn’t have family, or people who supported me or believed in me, but I always knew that I had one person praying for me, and that was Wanda.

He said, “Now, I’m in Bible College, and I’m going to be a Pastor.”

Oh, Wanda, the whole place just broke out in praise and applause!!

Later, that “future pastor” told me that he was one of the few that you had called and told about your illness, back when this all started.

He said, “She told me that she was telling me, because she knew that I knew how to pray.”

He knew that he was one of the few that you had asked to pray for you, those many months ago, when all of this started.

He said that he felt “honored” that you had confided in him and asked him to pray.

I told him that had been the same word that Mike and I had used back then:

Honored.

I had gone up to the young man, (was his name Adam?) after the service, and told him that there was “no such thing as only having Wanda praying.”

I told him that you had that whole office on the church prayer chain, and that you used to talk about the “young people” in that office, EVERY TIME that I saw you.

You would say, “Gods got these kids on a hook, and we have to keep praying for them, They are running from the Lord, and I know he’s called a couple of them into the ministry, They don’t believe it right now, but that is why God has me there to bug them!!”

Our pastor stood to say how many times you would call to let the church know of a member, especially one of the youth group, or college group, who had a need.

Crystal stood to say that you were ALWAYS there for the teenagers, and you did more than just show up for youth services.

You called them, visited them, cared for them.

One of the kids stood to say that you always had money for Pizza!

“Wanda always had time for us!”

I can remember so many times, watching youth service from the back, or a group of “kids” talking, and at first glimpse, you always looked like one of the teenagers.

How many times did I ask you, “Where on earth do you get your energy?”

Misty stood to say how many times you asked her to pray for your own kids.

All of us got that request often.

One of your employees went up front to say that you were “always the one watching over everyone, taking up collections for employees that had a hard time, collecting food and clothes for one who’s house had burned down.”

How many times did you write or email me to see if we had a job, or knew of a job, for someone who needed one?

One of your old business associates, stood to say what a blessing you had been to him and others, and he had driven from 3 States away to be there.

There were people there from at least 4 states that I know of.

I lost count of the number of people who stood to say what you had done for them and what you had been to them in their lives.

More than a dozen I think.

Over 400 people sat and listened for almost 2 hours.

TWO HOURS!

The pastor said that, “Wanda was always smiling, always positive, never complained. So when she came to me with a concern, I listened, because if Wanda was concerned about something, then there was something to be concerned about, You know what I mean?”

Damon, can’t you just hear him? He did a good job directing the service.

But he was so sad, he barely got through some parts.

He kept having to stop and swallow.

Janet is sad too. She really loves you, kid.

Pastor Damon also said, “Wanda could say things that other people couldn’t get away with, because, well,,,,she was Wanda.”

“Like, she told me one time, Pastor, you shouldn’t wear green, it doesn’t look good on you.”

He said, “I never wore green again.”

Everyone laughed.

It was the only funeral, or rather, “memorial service” that I’ve ever been to, that people laughed so loud, so much.

You would have loved that.

But mostly, dear friend, we cried.

I hope that you don’t mind.

I watched my 3 older sons cry streams of tears.

Andrew stood close to Amelia and I when everyone went outside at the end, Tears streaming down his arm and soaking his sister’s long hair.

You were a true friend.

You didn’t just care for me.

You cared for my children.

You were a light and a counselor, a helping hand, and a true friend to them.

And, to the children of so many others.

To the littlest children, through children’s church events,

To the teenagers, through youth and college events.

And to the elderly people.

And to Mike’s Sunday school class.

And to your co-workers.

And to your neighbors.

And to your sisters and your own family

and to your ailing father.

How many times did I tell you?

“Wanda, God’s got to heal you, because if He doesn’t, He’s going to have to come up with 10 or 20 people to replace you?”

Guess what the Pastor said?

Almost those exact words!

He said that all of us left here have to take up a lot of slack now that you are gone.

And several of us have made commitments to do just that.

Out of the 400 or so there, surely there will be more than 10 or 20 of us?

And maybe those 10 or 20, can go out and convince 10 or 20 more.

To be like you.

How can we be more like you?

Guess, it is really simple:

Be more like Christ.

Janet has about 40 new volunteers to the Ambassadors and Care ministries.

Most of them where at your funeral.

It made me wonder.

Wonder, if this is the answer to the question of why?

Why?

I’ve asked that so many times these past few months, watching you suffer so much.

Asking why, and trying not to get angry and frustrated with God.

But you never wavered in your faith or love for the Lord.

Nothing affected that.

Not the open bedsores.

The swollen body.

Vomiting.

Sleeping upright just to be able to breath.

Really, not sleeping or resting at all for so long.

And the constant pain.

You never said that you were asking why.

I wonder if you did.

Many of the rest of us did.

We didn’t mention it to you though.

Because you never seemed to doubt.

Never seemed to ask, why.

You just kept saying that you were healed.

You just said that you were ready to go home, and happy to go home,

IF that was the way the Lord wanted to heal you.

The only time I saw you cry, was when talking about leaving your children behind.

You said, “I know they are grown, and they can take care of themselves, but they’re young, they still need somebody to watch over them.”

I knew what you meant, between the lines.

Young in the Lord.

You also cried when worrying that you were becoming a burden to others.

You were so uncomfortable receiving help from others.

I told you, God’s telling you that you don’t have to be the Lone Ranger any more.

You were always the giver, always the minister.

All of the things life threw you.

Disappointment, divorce. Debt.

You handled alone.

So many people didn’t even know that you gotten a divorce, and moved from the big lake home.

I think, even after the funeral, they still don’t know.

Quiet strength.

As always.

Depth and concern for others more than for yourself.

Even more beautiful on the inside, than you were on the outside.

Most women who are blessed with beautiful faces and beautiful figures are shallow and selfish.

In all the years that we have known you, I’ve never, ever witnessed you have one shallow or selfish moment.

Perfect hair, perfect nails, perfect figure, and perfect clothes.

But you never talked about those things.

Always avoided talking about yourself around others.

I never worried about my husband being one of your best friends.

Not once.

Because I knew you.

I always laughed to myself, when any other female would comment that were “so refined and high class”, “wealthy,”, “she always dresses up” “Wanda is so perfect” or that they were “intimidated” by you.

It was usually someone new to the church.

I would just tell them, “Wait until you get to know her.”

But, to get to know you, they had to be a person who was willing to get their hands dirty!

Shaun and Brad and I were saying that, “No one ever heard from Wanda, unless they were her latest project, or unless she wanted them to help with the latest project!”

There was no “hanging out” or “girlfriend to girlfriend” relationships with you.

No shopping.

Ha, that makes me laugh.

You just weren’t the type for women’s brunches.

I never saw you at a single one.

So, sad to say, many of the adult women just didn’t get to know you.

Because you were out there, taking a group of teenagers to lunch.

Stocking a home for yet one more houseguest.

Collecting food and clothes.

Or watching football with an elderly man who had cancer.

Or calling one of my kids to check on them,

or invite them to have a party at your house,

Because you knew they were rebelling, and I was at my wits end.

And now two of them are pastors also.

How much do I owe to you?

How much do all of us owe to you?

“Not to me!” I can hear you say, “to the LORD!”

******

Tuesday, when the service ended, everyone went outside and released pink balloons.

In honor of you.

And with prayers for all of those with breast cancer.


It was such a beautiful day, almost 70 degrees, the air was still.

Quite an amazing thing in an Oklahoma January!

And this huge cloud of balloons stayed together in a group, floating up slowly over the city.

Pink balloons darting and, literally, dancing back and forth, long ribbons streaming behind them.

So many people stood in the sunshine, in silence, just watching, as the balloons disappeared.

Everyone said that they wished you could have been there, to hear what was said about you:

the wonderful things that were said this past Tuesday afternoon.

But.

I guess, the words that you heard Friday night, January 21, 2005, were much more important.

“WELL DONE! THOU GOOD AND FAITHFUL SERVANT!”

[hillbilly (hillbilly)]

Bob,

From what I have gathered about Mario Murillo is that he is a man that is not hesitant to stand up for what he believes God would have him say or do. I don't see him as being part of the TBN let's get along crowd regardless of if the cost is departing from the gospel of Christ.

Because of your posts . . . I well . . . I just emailed him a few days ago. I did not get a response back from some other person from his ministry. I got a response back directly from him.

I will not go into all the details of our emails (because if anyone wants to talk to him, it appears you can email him directly); however, I will say that based on our conversation, that I gathered that Mario is a "real" man of God who is not willing to compromise the word of God. I was very, very impressed. This is what my desire has been for Carman Ministries . . . to take a stand and not worry about the celebrity Christian circuit. Mario reminded me of my own husband in his willingness to stand for what he believes in. Having said that, I cannot understand why Rose would leave him and hook up with someone like Carman (I realize I'm getting on the rumor fringe here so I will make it quick and sweet). I just suppose it was satan attacking and that she was deceived.

God Bless,

PS Sorry for your loss lu.


(Message edited by hillbilly on January 31, 2005)

[bob_o_link (bob_o_link)]

HB,

Good to hear someone's being 'normal like'... when ya contact him. He seems to have a tremendous amount of integrity from what I have been hearin'. I could not believe all the secrecy an mafia type a stuff people have been reportin' in their experiences.

Ifn I was Carman, I would take a realistic look at it an edure the irratation, time consumption an go to a time of prayer without arrogance or dismissiveness.

Don't understand why he was a guest on Mr. C's TBN show? Did he say anthin' bout that to ya?

I wish that Mr. C would repent fer whatever he really needs to repent fer an that he could be a happier an nicer person an that people were not so dern rude an hostile that surround him an so charmin' when they wanna be.

Ten sighs an ifn I don't head out to read my Psalms it ain't gonna happen. Know how people have down time, I have me some Psalm time.

God's Generous an Patient Mercy to ya an all who post here friend or foe. Glad to hear bout Mario.

[hillbilly (hillbilly)]

Bob,

You are crazy! Anyway, as far as a Valentine gift . . . I don't know what kind of budget you have but I'm thinking something like "spa treatment" - you can get something like a manicure or pedicure (about $50 together) or the whole day (massage, etc.). Can't go wrong with something like this in my mind. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/kiss.gif And I'm sure you will get hugs and kisses as a result. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/lol.gif

My husband gave me a full day at the spa for Christmas and boy was I a happy camper! I told him if he did this every year, he couldn't go wrong. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif

I found Mario to be extremely normal and yet extremely dedicated to the salvation message. That is the reason he has appeared with Carman on TBN. To "remind" (or loving "rebuke") everyone that it is not the psychoanalytical babblings that we hear today in the churches (my phrase but I believe he agrees) that it is the Gospel message of salvation that we are called to preach and teach.


God Bless,

(Message edited by hillbilly on February 02, 2005)

[algernon (algernon)]

God bless Mario Murillo.
Already wrote him and he will have my wholehearted prayers and support.

"What a man, what a man what a man what a mighty good man".

And somebody needs to fire the spin doctorhttp://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif

WHo wants to start a ground zero church???

[plainoleme (plainoleme)]

Ekk,
I think you need to calm down and go back and read everything again, because what I see in Murillo's newsletter supports what Carman said.
He specifically says, "I know he was deceived." That's a direct quote from http://www.mariomurillo.com/ You're wrong and you are wrong to continue whatever this vendetta is against Carman. If you don't like him and don't want to support him then don't, but let it go and move on!

[plainoleme (plainoleme)]

EKKIE BABY YOU FINALLY WOKE UP!!A woman does not leave her husband because she's in love with another man, and move in with his family and Hmmm what was that word again? "Deceive" him. That was it!! Soo you need to be posting to her! She was the deceiver! http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/kiss.gif

[plainoleme (plainoleme)]

Soo what you are saying Ekk is that Mario Murillo and Carman are both deceivers because the both married the deceiver? Cause I'm thinking neither one of them gets off the hook with your theory.
And what you think about what I am devoid of or of my discernment if of no consequence to me. God knows my heart and He's all that matters. And what's more important is He knows your heart too. And that is why I sleep well at night. God is still on the throne and HE and only HE is in control.

[plainoleme (plainoleme)]

Ya didn't answer my question Ekk. Does that make both of them deceivers?? Are is this where you slink back and avoid answering because you know you can't have it both ways?

[plainoleme (plainoleme)]

Ekk,
First of all I love what you do with my name. Such Godly love and maturity in it.
Secondly,I KNOW the Facts. And you keep taking what few you have and taking them out of context. twisting them to suit you , and using them for your own purpose. Any valid point would be MOOT in your eyes. So any further attempts to explain it to you would be pointless.
Finally,Mario and Carman talked about leaving the past behind and moving on. Think I'll do that myself at least as far as this place is concerned. I pray you can do the same Ekk. That you reconcile things in your heart and can move on also.
I hear Mr Drysdale Calling! God Bless!
Ohh I forgot ROOTED AND GROUNDED sends her love.

[notafan_notanenemy (notafan_notanenemy)]

<font color="aa00aa"><font face="courier new,courier">To anybody and everybody,

If you read Carman's Rumors and Reality, especially the financial section, you will notice that the woman asks him how much he makes a year or something and he answers sarcastically - while he tries to evade answering. I have said before I am not in agreement with the people who hate Carman and think he is the devil but I am in total disagreement with the people who think he does not lie or is not controlling.

The fact that he didn't go ahead and answer the question politely, and his sarcasm to and his control tactics and - on top of that he said he makes no income...

HEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOO???!!

It is really truly awful (and I am not being sarcastic) that Carman fell down on a sidewalk, or beach or wherever, but he has the know-how and the resources to take one of those new imaging tests and a whole bunch of other tests to make sure his heart is healthy. Why didn't he say he might have had a panic attack? Did they do an enzyme test, was he really having a heart attack?

As everyone here knows there are a lot of cable stations doing specials on Michael Jackson. I doubt very highly that Carman is a freak like Michael Jackson or a satanic weirdo but there is a certain way that Michael Jackson lies and gets people to feel sorry for him that genuinely feels like the kind of stuff that Carman says.

Everybody keeps saying 'crucify Carman' or 'exonerate Carman' or
'leave Carman alone' or 'he is not controlling or manipulative' or
'he is not saved', or 'he is the greatest soul winner that ever lived' - while I don't agree with leaving him alone, I don't agree with crucifying him, 'I don't agree' that he is a gentle and honest person, I do think there is something very wrong at Carman ministries, I do think he hurt Mario and is still currently hurting him.

Mario's relationship with Rose was much longer and much deeper than Carman's ever was and if she is going to be doing women's conferences where she talks about Carman and others being abusive maybe that why he is attacking her character so deeply.

He covers everything up and explains everything he has done away.

Like take been_there_done_that; let's say we go with Carman's version that he just wanted privacy and he was just taking the time to tell people.

Okay... then why did they kick people out for mentioning it? why didn't they just say more details to follow or something like that? I have never seen Carman admit anywhere that he lied; that is what reminds me of Michael Jackson. It really looks like no matter what somebody says to him or what he really does - that he is going to say 'no you are wrong', 'I was always doing 'this' in the first place or I was victimized by this circumstance or by that person - or - let me sell you this race horse, I 'know' he looks 25 years old - but it is just because he has won so many races."

When I read Rumors and Reality, I feel so snow jobbed and charmed and cajoled and politicised but no matter how hard he tries, I don't know if it is God is protecting me or if it is something in my background- but when he acts like a victim it just doesn't fly with me. maybe that horse can fly.

You know what really bugs me??? At the very end he says he is 'just a guy from NJ that hears God's voice and follows him for years', but when he did his movie premier, for "I kiss a married PETA spokeswoman thoroughly and try to become a big star, movie",
he said it directly - that doesn't really "hear God speak to him". He just gets an inspiration. Alot of people watched that and I am telling you he said it.

These people on these threads who guilt trip you and beat you up and talk about Carman like he should be canonized are so controlling and convinced, it makes you feel dizzy; that is what an abusive family system makes you feel like too.

That is what a cult that you resist becoming a member of makes you feel like too. I feel disgusted and disappointed with all of these contradictions and discrepancies and control tactics and cover ups. I also don't like Carman going to a pastor and submitting everything he was going through as that somehow indemnifies what he did or justifies anything at all.

So if Mario Murillo didn't send those "1000's of emails" who did? It wasn't me.

Why does Carman really care if someone sent 40 emails or 100 emails or two million emails - if he is truly innocent and is simply a victim in all respects? God will vindicate him if he is faithful and clean, won't He?

Why would Carman be willing to hurt - more than one person's reputation to literally damage their good name or let his family and hired professionals do so - but if he is chastised or abased or he reaps something he has sown against another Believer that God loves or honors - how is that him being wronged? Pretty darn arrogant.

There is a lot in this man's ministry and personal life that scares me and makes me feel nauseous.

</font><font color="0077aa">It is confusing because God gave him a really unique and large and far reaching ministry but then again over the past few years it has gone into huge debt and he was terribly cursed and injured in a marriage- and no matter what he says he "did" try to hide it- and he was sued and he has the anger and the distrust of a lot of people now and these people are not "of the devil".

</font><font color="aa00aa">Mussolini, Sadaam, Stalin, Hitler and some other dictators allow no criticism and put a spin on everything.

They all went to church too, except Stalin. Whatever happened to simple New Testament basic Christianity of -"I'm sorry, I was wrong, I've asked the Lord's forgiveness and now I'm asking for your forgiveness?"

</font><font color="0000ff">I have never met a Christian who lived inside an armoured tank and if he or she saw me along side the road with a big banner that says "why did you lie? and stop acting like a victim", and then suddenly a long hard cold steel barrel of the fire thrower turned in my direction and I heard an announcement with an Italian accent, "put that banner down, this is threat management and we warn you we say again put that banner down and speak no evil of our prince, if you do not cease and assist we "will" incinerate you", but I hold my banner high and remember Tiananmen Square in China.

Then I hear some feedback over the intercom inside the tank, someone says "move over Momma Nancy, Vada can't get to the trigger".

The clouds break above me and an angel descends and with strong anointed arms he grabs the barrel and bends it back, facing into the tank and declares as he flies away, "Humble thyself in the sight of the Lord". Then I begin to sing and by His grace I hear voices inside the tank singing, a chorus begins to ring out over the land, "we are one in the Spirit... we are one in the Lord... we are on in the Spirit... we are one in the Lord..." </font><font color="aa00aa">

.....
Carman please admit that you lied and that you are sorry and please apologize for the meanness in your ministry, even if you think certain people deserve to be treated badly.

....
Toodles.
It is raining. I have to roll up my banner and go inside where I can speak the truth freely.

</font><font color="119911">PS
Doesn't anyone know who Carman's pastor is that he is talking about in Rumors and Reality and what the name of and what type of church it is or is that a secret?

(I wonder if I ask Mario Murillo what church he goes to, if he would refuse to make that public information.) </font><font color="0000ff">

PSS To Ekklesia:

I know you are really mad and you feel like you have had negative discernment but some of your posting is making you sound a little crazy.

I am not saying that in a mean way , you might just want to pray about your presentation and communication even if you are right about somethings. You don't want people to read Ekklesia and say eeeek and scroll away as fast as possible.

I would like to see you and Rooted and Grounded play tennis.</font></font>

[notafan_notanenemy (notafan_notanenemy)]

<font color="ff6000">To Bob O: I think for Valentine's Day that everyone has given great ideas. My idea is to fly to a warm destination just for the weekend and to buy her a piece of designer glass like a vase and then after you get home surprise her with two dozen roses and say that Valentine's never ends as long as you know her. I really do have a great carrot cake recipe, if you want it. </font>

[saved_by_grace (saved_by_grace)]

<font size="+2"><font color="ff0000">FOLKS . . . .

I AM TRYING HARD NOT TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS BUT PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE . . . IF YA HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY CAN YA SAY IT JUST ONCE?

SOME OF US ARE GETTING THE EMAIL VERSIONS OF THESE POSTS AND GET NUMEROUS EMAILS WITH THE SAME MESSAGE OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

THANKS MUCH! http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/smile.gif</font></font>

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/new.gif

<font size="+1"><font color="0000ff">I know it is Ground Hog's Day but can we skip it? http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/lol.gif
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(Message edited by saved by grace on February 02, 2005)

[saved_by_grace (saved_by_grace)]

OK . . . Have I successfully made everyone mad at me now? Well, I suppose in a food fight (which is what this is turning into) you're going to get hit from every direction.

(ducking)

http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/new.gif And for the record . . . yes this is the "bossy" yet "reasonable" side of me. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/wink.gif


and http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/new.gif

Folks (this is also part of my vernacular), I know many, many people including myself have felt mislead and have felt like they were treated incorrectly. I'm not going to lie and pretend that this did not happen, etc.; however, for some reason Carman doesn't feel that he needs to say anything other than what he has already said and maybe that is because he was indeed a victim of this woman. (I'm not saying he was, I'm saying it is a possibility. Just as a few here have experienced abuse etc., men occasionally are victimized too by women.)

It did not given him an excuse to do what many feel that he did to them; however, it is time to move on. Even Mario is stating this on this website. Let's forgive and move on . . . exposure (which might could have been avoided) has happened. And none of us know when we might be exposed. (Hopefully, we agree that it is best to honestly live up to such an issue if it ever occurs.) What we need to pray for is that we all lift our eyes on Jesus and live the rest of our lives appropriately. Sure Carman has been wrong but so have the rest of us in one form or fashion.

And as I have said many times before, we all have opinions and we will all disagree at times. I also feel that we all have stated our heartfelt opinions here and that doesn't make us bad. It does indicate that we have different backgrounds and beliefs, different priorities, etc.

Let's move on . . . there is great discussion on other threads that will help us keep our eyes on Jesus.

God Bless,

(Message edited by saved by grace on February 02, 2005)

[bob_o_link (bob_o_link)]

Mario, Mr. Murillo...http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/sad.gif.

Almost sent ya a big donation. No foolin'.
Jest ken't get jiggy with the joint project of Mr. C an you. I actual tried to overlook it an have a conviction to write out a check to someone else right now.

Yer public forgiveness is admirable an Biblical, but the close relationship, even talkin' bout or processin' together on the subject of Rosa... an Carman gettin' some power an control outta that... an jest the whole set of dynamics... ken't support it.

Thanks fer almost makin' a real difference in the Body of Christ an in large ministry politics.

Its been nice to discover some interestin' things you have been involved in.

Bye...
Hope ya Flip Back on over to health... an reality.

Bob O

[notafan_notanenemy (notafan_notanenemy)]

<font color="aa00aa"><font face="courier new,courier"> Carman threaders, Patti, Bob'O, HB, Ek, Alge, Wingsy, R&amp;G, and everybody else:
Guess what?
Mario put his newsletter back up. Maybe the sad face can become a happy face.

Wingsy:
I don't want to come across as being unchristian, which is what some of the Carmanites make you feel like in here, but I like something that Bob'O said that it is not cool to be "in love with love". You are making it sound like it is unchristian to be mad at Carman about anything. Even God can handle somebody's anger if they are mad at Him and He is totally perfect. Look, some of this stuff that the people that know Vada are saying is definitely "superstitious".
I am glad that everybody seems to be "making up" in Christ but please don't sacrifice an open discussion in the name of teddy bears and chocolate hearts.
I really don't appreciate Hannah using the "sh" word and so on.
Please let's keep it clean in here.

Thank you Bob'O, for your many posting posts, even though they are long, don't ever worry about it, they totally fly by. Please keep posting. Write us from Vegas. Did you mean fornication when you said "forno"? Yeh, Vegas is a scuzzy place for lots of reasons. Then again there are some awesome churches there and it is pretty with the moutains and lakes.You are so funny and have a unique love for our Heavenly Father. Have you ever looked at Mario's website? You two have in some ways a similar spirit in my observations. Maybe you can rethink the donation decision. Totally none of my business.

I still can't believe that Carman got married on Elvis's birthday in Vegas to a woman that according to him, could really be called a kook and dangerous. I can't believe that they (CMI) went through all those years of trying to protect Carman, praying for him, censuring and blocking women that were deemed as stalkers, crazy or a threat whether imaginary or real and then he goes and marries someone like her.

Do you know what I mean? Does that make sense?

Apparently Vada's prayers aren't as powerful as everyone is saying.

I wish that Alge and some of those other people that used to come in here whose posts I have read would come back here and say hello, like Paul and Doug.

HB: I wish you would be more honest like you used to be. I don't mean being in the attack mode, just more honest.

Back to Bob O, I heard about the Dolly Parton album also, it is called "Love Rocks". Here is a link to the article on the Baptist Press News site.
http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?ID=20019

Ekklesia:
I'm going to be really frank right now and you will probably hate me, but if you think that you are called to marry Carman, even if you had some divine appointments or coincidences, I asked the Lord and you know I am not blowing Carman's trumpet here, but I know for a fact because I am prophetic and God definitely told me, He has a "completely different plan for you and for Carman". That is exactly what He said.

This is me talking now. I understand guys pretty well and I know that a man would never marry a woman who has said the kind of things you have said to Carman on these threads. He is not going to marry a woman who, what you said "cracks the whip".

Forgive Vada Ekklesia, you know she is not the sharpest tool in the shed.
She is not going to change toward you and it really doesn't matter.She isn't the spiritual giant and doll baby that others say she is either. She is a real Christian with a lot of pride, and false dominion, and she is not really in 20/20 reality. That is because she is in the grip of Carman's mother and his charms and pity. She refers to critics as the "enemy". Its flakey and she seems to be controlling when you email them.

She has two faces and if she does not give professional responses to everyone then she is controlling and mean spirited. I think she is kind of lofty and elevated in her own eyes and that she thinks that because she answers mail from around the world that she has spiritual authority around the world. Another kind of fantasy. My tone is not super angry like Ekklesia's to anyone who is reading this.
It is more like, uh, no...sorry. I feel discomfort and some disrespect toward Vada not intense anger. I also do not think that she is an evil satanic witch. Witch-ee possibly, a lot of Assembly of God people have that problem. Should I be concerned that her husband is cursing me now. Lovely Christians. See what I mean.

I am not supposed to be "afraid" of a pastor's wife or any pastor. That is bizarre and intimidation and false doctrine. The Bible says that is the wrong kind of Shepherd. I don't like all of the guilt trippings on these discussion boards either. A pastor is not supposed to be a threat in the back of my mind, that is an absolute abuse of that position.

She is a constant subject so that is my input.

I don't think Carman should be left "completely alone". That seems more like his will and the will of the employees at his ministry. If God told me to leave him alone, you bet I would do it. I love God and I want to do His will. I am far from the perfect Christian, but I am a real one.

I don't want to be told that I am not allowed to have my own feelings and I certainly don't want be told not to have discernment because it chips away at their fantasy. I don't want to be told that I'm not allowed to have my opinion either and then be told that threat management will send me a letter.

Nobody from CMI has ever spoken to me face to face or written to me personally.
They don't know me, I don't know them. I have read things that they have written to other people and have experienced some things in general. Not anything personal or controversial.
And I might have said this before, I am not a member of their chat rooms.

Mario Murillo. Even though I think that Mario Murillo is still holding Carman's hand and it still grosses me out, I am glad that he switched his web page. I think that it is bizarre also that they are working on a project together. And everyone is going to gasp at this, but they both have exchanged bodily fluids with Rose.

It isn't like some heroic thing that Mario has forgiven the ever penitent Carman. Its more like Carman made Mario feel special by seeking his forgiveness. Gross! And Mario doesn't want to look like a bad guy or lose people thinking of him as strong Christian.

I know that people are saying forgive, forget, move on. Forgive, definitely. Forget, not a chance right now. Move on, that is somebody else's will, God hasn't told me to move on, even though Carman is like the tiniest part of my day. More like week.

No, I have never ever thought for one half of a millisecond that I am his mate. He is way too old for me and besides I wouldn't even consider marrying someone with his ego and manipulative charms and instabilities. I have been touched by his music and humorous ministry at times. He is definitely a well known and artistic Evangelist. There are quite a few good things I could say, yeh, but he has a kazillion people doing that already. I think criticism counts more than fan fare. It is more helpful and is not completely void of distortions but usually less of a distortion.

Unless the person is a psychiatrically disabled stalker type of personality. I definitely do not mean people who have had therapy either. I know people who have had therapy and consider it like personal training.

Like a woman minister who I love and trust very much said to me once, when I was basically taking a bath in a "pit of self pity" and drenched in 'mire' ; "Do you know how much pity I have for you right now?". I didn't really say much, I waited for her to conclude and she asked me another question which was my answer. She said, "Do you know... that space between the end of a sentence and a period?" I think I understood the vast expanse of her pity for me. http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

What I don't like is that Carman is moving on without publically owning his real and true character problems. His character totally matters. Not what he says his character is, what his character fully is.

Who in Carman's camp ever holds him painfully accountable and tells him the truth and gives him wise wounding counsel? The way things have gone, it doesn't seem to me that there are many people truly loving him in Christ enough to encourage him to take responsible action about how he lied and manipulated facts.

Does Carman seem like the type of person if you held him accountable that you would continue to be employed by him? I don't think so.

Sandusky, KIDDING.

Thats all from me on a late Friday night and what I would like for Valentine's is, all of my chin hair to disappear in the middle of the night so I won't have to secretly pluck them. I am far away from 40, no offense, like a decade or so. We all have hair.

Has anyone ever seen Carman's back?
I wonder if its a jungle. Sorry. I don't ever want to know. Sorry Carman, the laser treatments they have now are amazing. I will probably need them too.

Joy Cometh in the Morning.</font></font>

[algernon (algernon)]

<font color="0000ff"><font size="+1">DEAR NOTA</font></font>

Thank you for asking about me and the others.
My heart has been very sad this past few days for Mario, for people around me and some on this board.

Spiritual pride kills more than friendship.

I am glad for my humanity for my humanity brought me to Jesus Christ.

But it seems to me most people can not grapse the concept: the heart is wicked and deceitful above all things and who can know it?

why do christians always feel that they can not be decieved or, willfully or unwillfuly hurt others or take them for granted.

Anyway, I agree with a great deal of your post.

And about that chin hair, I am 43 and just have that one pesky recurring one.

I heard that saw palmetto, helps relieve facial hair. It deals with testosterone, which is the hormone that causes facial hair in women.

It that a GOOD tiphttp://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif?

I agree with joy comes in the morning .
Thanks for the chat and happy valentine's day this past week my whole family has had birthdays.
Guess I will get my valentine's from Jesus and He seems to be the only safe and true friend I have.

Blessings to you and Hannah for safe and sound and peaceful posts.

algernon aka ali
When you have done it to the least of these you have done it unto Me( Jesus).

[hillbilly (hillbilly)]

Nota,

HB: I wish you would be more honest like you used to be. I don't mean being in the attack mode, just more honest.

Can you elaborate? I don't feel that I am not being dishonest although I will agree that I am cooling off a bit because of Mario's comments. It's new information and I have no reason to not respect this man or his request concerning Carman.

That doesn't make me dishonest; that makes me convicted with new information and honoring this man of God. If you will read my posts I haven't given Carman a free ticket on this and would still like to see action on his part but I am trying to follow what Mario has stated. That is all. Now in a few days or so, if I feel that I have been lied to or something, you may see me change my mind. And again, changing your mind is not lying.

I think I said "maybe" Carman was a victim or that I could accept that possibility (I don't really feel this in my heart but I am trying to be open to it because of what Mario said) . . . I'm just saying it is a possibility and I bet everyone here can think of a male that they know that has been victimized by a female.

If this is regarding witchcraft, yes I can see this in the Q&amp;A's and I can hear what others say about this but I need to have rational verifiable proof. So if I tease R&amp;G about being a witch (because I'm not convinced that she is) that is not lying. I can see various points of views. . . I cannot see it in the natural and being a Baptist (or maybe it is just my nature), I'm a rationalist with a lot of faith.

Let me know if I missed something because I don't want you to think I'm not being honest.

Oh, if it's about every little detail of being ozzed . . . that's not going to happen because I don't feel that God wants me to go into it. It will not add anything really to the situation or how anyone feels about Carman.

God Bless,

[hillbilly (hillbilly)]

Algernon,

And about that chin hair, I am 43 and just have that one pesky
recurring one.

I heard that saw palmetto, helps relieve facial hair. It deals with testosterone, which is the hormone that causes facial hair in women.

It that a GOOD tiphttp://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/happy.gif?

Maybe . . . all I know if about 5 years ago a friend at work walked in my office and said "I don't mind getting old, it's this pesky white hairs on my chin that are cropping up that bother me." So I guess I did get some warning. Went to lunch with a bunch of ladies, I was secretly looking to see how much hair they had. Guess I was the only one that decided to fight it and make it go away! http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif Dang that hurts though!

God Bless,

[notafan_notanenemy (notafan_notanenemy)]

<font color="aa00aa"><font face="courier new,courier">HB:

I can't explain why I am still up. I think I am going to have to take a vacation from this thread activity. It's hard not to read what people are saying right away and minutes melts into hours and then your evening becomes like a Salvador Dali painting.

Cooling off, yeh, I understand and to be up front this is what some people are talking about regarding Carman's influence and control in Mario's life.

Mario is probably too prideful as a man. I don't mean that disrespectfully, I mean it like a stumbling block or the truth. He might be too prideful to think that Carman has any kind of power over him. Carman made a smart move bringing him on TBN and now getting him to take off his newsletter even if it happened sideways. This is not a put down, this is not a put down in any way, I feel sorry for Mario.

I think Carman can be extremely charming that others may not identify as charm. What people are reacting to is Mario taking a strangely dysfuctional stand as a "covering" for Carman from Mario's former wife. It just is kind of disgusting. It feels like a locker room instead of Christianity and major ministers.

Are these major ministers going to hate, pray against, or be pejorative about me because I am saying this? What does it mean to be a man of God? It just seems like more incest dynamics. You don't have the former husband of the woman you had a really weird, bad marriage protecting you and exonerating you. Doesn't Mario already have a son?

PS What is happening with you comes across in these little windows of communication and perception, as Carman, got exactly what he wanted.

I am going to ask God very seriously, very sincerely, humbly if I am wrong. I wonder if Mario and Carman would do the same or if they would simply go through the motions, (I would think this more of Carman possibly), and lie to themselves about how sincere and humble they are being.

Before I melt off this page and end up on the floor in a puddle, Good Night.

Oh dang that is slippery.</font></font>

(Message edited by notafan_notanenemy on February 05, 2005)

[hillbilly (hillbilly)]

I agree. Let's go to bed and I will reread your posts when I am awake.

I have been reading the posts via the emails and part of the flow of the thread may be lost in my response as a result.

During the last few months, I have posted on other threads and have had some very interesting conversations (some not so); however, as a result, when I came home tonight, I had over 60 emails just from FactNet. Only a few were the "groundhog day" repeaters from one thread to another. I have only read through the Carman emails. I still have all the doctrine thread emails to go through, so if I'm short and not so polite please forgive me.

I am one of these people that worries about offending people so you will often see me take a step backwards to try to smooth things over (except with Hannah . . . don't like the delivery).

Later, God willing,

[notafan_notanenemy (notafan_notanenemy)]

<font color="aa00aa"><font face="verdana,arial,helvetica"><font size="+2">Hello to every person who has ever posted here: </font></font></font>





<font color="aa00aa">Idea?


Let's take a 24 hour break. Just one sort of Sabbath and not type anything. Let's just read and catch up, take notes, do print outs, whatever, collect our points and thoughts, do a little praying and then all come back on Sunday afternoon, after we have all gone to church.

Then please post what you think of this... let's make a new thread besides prayer requests and only post on the new thread so we don't lose track of what everybody is saying.

If you are good to go on this idea please do two things, cast a 5 star vote on this post and don't show up until Sunday afternoon.

First one here after church on Sunday gets to name and start the new thread.</font>

<font color="ff0000">(Today is Saturday, Feb. 5, 2005)</font>

(Message edited by notafan_notanenemy on February 05, 2005)