Pastoral Accountability

[susanna_krizo (susanna_krizo)]

Should a pastor, when leaving a cultic church, step down for a certain time or should he remain in a teaching position?

Should he publically repent and acknowledge his wrongdoings?

Should he publically acknowledge that he has taught heresies and take responsibility for it?

Should he make sure that what he teaches is scriptural and not manmade commandments?

Should he remain in his church for awhile after he has stepped down in order to reconcile with those he may have hurt in the past?

Should he accept a lowly position so he may learn what true servanthood is all about?

Susanna

[maria_t (maria_t)]

YES!!!!

Yes he should repent publically and acknowledge his wrongdoings.

Yes he should step down for a period of time.

Yes he should get re-training in biblical teaching.

Yes he should make sure what he teaches is biblical, and not heresy. And yes he should account for the teachings he taught that are
heresies.

Should he remain in his church? Thats between him and the Lord. If the forgiveness is real and genuine there's no reason for him to leave. People will want to see the fruit of that repentance and the Holy Spirit will let them know if its a farce.

Some already know "true servanthood" Susanna.
Problem is it went to their heads and their ego's got puffed up when they got "recognized" or "adulated" like at GGWO.

Maria

[maria_t (maria_t)]

Susanna

The main problems with GGWO/TBS and CHS stemmed from no pastoral accountability whatsoever. That teaching of "delegated authority" gave CHS total "control" over everything. You were taught to "obey" your pastor/teacher. He was/is always right. He actually "became" the Holy Spirit for many people because he had them so manipulated that the "pastor/teacher" hears God FOR you. Well, that's not the truth, we are to have our own relationship with the Lord and we are to be led by His Spirit, not by the whims of a man needing to be worshipped and adored 24/7!!

The pastoral accountability isn't just for the scriptures/messages/doctrines that are taught. It should be in all areas. The church finances is a good area to also mention since that also was a thing that there was never much honesty with at GGWO, and some speculated that there were/are 2 "financial" books of where/how money was spent.

I don't know "all" the areas to post them here but they have been posted many times on other threads.

Hope this helps.

Maria

[san (san)]

If the Head is off isn't whole body is affected?

[maria_t (maria_t)]

San..
Interesting question. The whole body can be affected if they are not being led by the Holy Spirit and their "Holy Spirit" is the pastor/teacher, as was the case with many at GGWO.

There are some people who never put CHS in that position as a substitute for them going to the Lord. Therefore, those people that were there and were led by the Spirit wised up and got out!! Some of those that are there now don't want to listen to the Holy Spirit and leave, others have no clue as to whats going on, and some stay there to help those that are innocent to get out.

The end result, however, is the spirit that has taken over that church is evil, and, if people don't listen to the Holy Spirit's leading them out, then they are under that other spirit's influence and allow themselves to be deceived. Many of us that saw the Elder's Declaration on the 12th knew then the spirit that had permeated the church there. If that other spirit is prevalent it doesn't yield an atmosphere for the Holy Spirit to be present.

Maria

[rjfernalld (rjfernalld)]

Also, the mind control techniques employed by CHS over the decades have been pervasive in that the sheep are not always aware of exactly who's voice they are hearing, Carl's or God's. Carl effectivly decieved us into believing and he bypassed our critical thinking abilities without our knowledge.

For many years I heard these things about what Carl was doing, but it took a major personal event in my life to first see the difference between the teaching and the urgings of the true spiritof God.

As the days inch closer to the eventual inability of CHS to be seen publically, and the elders continue to make error after error I am convinced that the people will be able to see things with added clarity. It is my prayer that the cracks that have already appeared in the facade that is GGWO will let in increasing amounts of light and the people will abandon the "naked king" in droves.

[maria_t (maria_t)]

So true, RJ...the mind control was wicked.

Maria

[rjfernalld (rjfernalld)]

Wicked is THE word. It is so weird to think that so many very intelligent, bright human beings could be so decieved.

I did some studying about the mind control thing after I left and was left reeling about how utterly wicked it was. It effectively made us close our minds to anything but was we heard. And in Lenox, being so isolated on campus...no tv, no reading material that wasn't approved, exhausted with the demands of work, classes and outreach...we were ripe for the pickin's.

I recall being totally freaked when I finally snapped out of the stupor and could see the damage that had been done in God's name to really good Godly people who only wanted to love and serve God...including myself.

I am praying so hard that something happens to shake the remaining people at GG...that something happens to open their eyes...it happened for me. It can for them too...I am hoping anyway!

[maria_t (maria_t)]

It is happening, RJ. People's eyes are slowly getting opened. Just this last week another person I know got out. The Holy Spirit is working and answering our prayers. I know He worked in my life in getting me out and like you I am hoping still for those left there.

Maria

[rjfernalld (rjfernalld)]

That is wonderful news, Maria. Thanks!

[ralphwells (ralphwells)]

Maria,

Interesting post. Does that mean ALL pastors should step down? Or only some? That was what I was addressing with P. Paul, not the sin. The need, as you said ",,he should get spiritual re-training in biblical teaching." If that is true, and it is, then it goes for everyone, not just who you determine needs it.

God bless you,

Ralph
1Cor 15:10

[whocaresanymore (whocaresanymore)]

I am having a hard time believing that your opinion or anyone else's opinion about someone else matters.I do not see where the Bible says this person ahould step down or take time off. You are talking about people's lives and their families. Everyone that is being talked about here have souls and are living beings. The power of the tongue has devastated many and this is a place where it seems to run crazy. I have been reading this stuff and find the spirit here is a lot like the spirit of the places where everyone is talking about. If we want healing, we would let this mind be in us which is also in Christ Jesus and lift Him up. It is comical to see people attack ( and that is okay ) but it is wrong to defend or give another side. My prayer is for all of you and for the ones you talk about.

[susanna_krizo (susanna_krizo)]

"Some already know "true servanthood" Susanna.
Problem is it went to their heads and their ego's got puffed up when they got "recognized" or "adulated" like at GGWO."

I agree, Maria, that many already know true servanthood and I'm sorry that I didn't write clearly enough. What I meant was that should a pastor remind himself what true servanthood means since he was placed in a postion of a "lord"?

I know this has been discussed many times over but to find all this info would take me days

Susanna

[helenaofmass (helenaofmass)]

RJ:
I applaud all of your effort to find out the different ways of deception. Instead of just sitting and dwelling you actually tried to decipher how you were tricked etc. I think that is really commendable.
Could you share some of what you read and how it was applied by GG. I think that would be really helpful to many people.

Helena

[wonderer (wonderer)]

Im just wondering why these pages are
under the name factnet???
Much more suitable title for these
writings would be eg
'lienet', 'hatenet', 'emotionnet', 'sicknet',
'bitternet'!

Wonderer

[whitehorses (whitehorses)]

i think it should be under the heading HEALNET

[anon_brief (anon_brief)]

ExposeNet

[yogi (yogi)]

Hey Wonderer,

'lienet', 'hatenet', 'emotionnet', 'sicknet',
'bitternet' have been typed from the fingers of YOUR leaders at GGWO, for example, check out Pastor Teddy Awad's or Skip Wood's "gentle responses" on the 'Barbara Stevens Where Are You?' and other threads in the archives, very revealing of the TRUE heart of most GG pastors!

Yogi

[maria_t (maria_t)]

Ralph,


First of all, Ralph, our conversation Christmas Day was not in regards to this issue. It had nothing at all to do with Paul stepping down. Your direct statement to me was "Paul Stevens needs to publically repent from the pulpit" which was your response when I told you I was going there for services now. There is no correlation in any way between that conversation and the question you asked me in the above post.

Furthermore, to answer your question above, I won't be intimidated by you one single bit. Your subtle tactic of bringing Paul Stevens up again in the post to intimidate me or "push my buttons" won't work. It may not be obvious to others reading these threads as to the subtle undermining you are attempting via the post you made, but I know your tactics well, Ralph. You spent years trying those routines out on me and they will no longer work.

My post its pretty self explanatory and really needed no further clarification for you. You obviously misread the post, I in no way stated any particular person who needed spiritual re-training. Since you feel the need to again bring up Paul Stevens, FYI, he already has graduated from an accredited 4 year bible college course and is working on his master's degree.
Thus he already met the "ALL" in "ALL Pastors" that I stated above. Next time ask your friends here on Factnet to clarify my most obvious posts because I won't waste my time addressing your responses again.

Maria

[maria_t (maria_t)]

Yogi truer words were never spoken.....

I recall those very posts from Pastor Teddy threatening people on here.

Maria