History

[Anonymous (24.172.44.98)]

Please use this thread to discuss the History of TBS/GGWO.

[Elena Chet (64.136.26.225)]

It took me a few days to read over the postings on the site. I'v been praying for the people involved, and of course for the church. Listen, there are no perfect churches. And GGWO is definately not a perfect place (I am a part of it, so that should pretty much do it :-)

This is NOT the point. I am not here to discuss any of the accusations brought up. I am here to ask you - please stop this mess...

The heart of God is never in the fault-digging. It's in restoring...

It seems to me that most people posting here have been hurt. And that was satan's doing. Please, before you go on any further, let God heal you first... When we speak out of our wounds (unless we are speaking and crying into God's ear), nothing good will come out of it but bitterness and more wounds. PLEASE stop hurting each other. It doesn't make any sence, and it's the enemy's instrument of wearing down the saints.

What's wrong with Christ's command "love one another, and by that the world would know that you are my disciples..." How about the spirit of meakness? Unity? Has Christ divided lately?

Sad statement, but some of my Muslim friends visited this site. They were disgusted. Here is their reaction: "You, Christians, say that Islam is an agressive religion. But at least we don't kill each other. Why is it that you who proclame loving God are so quick and willing to cut each other's throats? Is THAT the church you are telling us about? What kind of God do you have?" - Sad, isn't it...

It doesn't matter if people are wrong or right. They stand and fall before God, and stand they will. We are wrong by bringing up their faults regardless if we have the facts or not.

If we bring up other people's dirty clothes, even if we are right, we are WRONG... And help us God if we continue in this way, because now we are at fault and in need of repentance...

Remember, love covers multitude of sin? Remember the commendmant to love each other? If you can't love them as your church, love them as your friends. If you can't love them as your friends, love them as your enemies. BUT LOVE THEM!!!!

Satan hates the church and tries to bring it down. Please do not volunteer for him. PLEASE!!!
I have ministered and been on staff in a couple of GGWO churches, and I've seen them go through trials. And you know, God doesn't really need our help to deal with his leaders. He hits them hard without our assistance if they attempt to lead people astray. Take comfort in this. It is God's church, so let God do it...

How about 2 Chronicles 7:14:
"If my people who are called by my name, will humble themselves, and pray, and sick My face, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin, and I will heal their land."

I want to challenge you. Do you really care about the church? Do you really want to help hurting people? Do you? Then why not humble ourselves, and pray, and see God's mighty hand move?

As of today, May 23, 2004, I will start fasting for the situation. If anyone cares to join me, be my guest.

Here is my e-mail: LenaChet@yahoo.com. You know who I am and you are welcome to look me up in church if you like - most of the time I can be found in the translation area. I am not quitting, and we will see Gods hand in action.

OK. Enough said. God bless you all. My prayer that we learn how to be real friends in time of need - pulling together instead of pulling someone down. Loving people out of their problems instead of pressing them face down into the dirt.

With prayers and respect,
Lena.

[Anonymous (68.55.83.36)]

To Elena Chet
I do belive that satan hates bible beliving churches and wants to destroy them
BUT GGWO is not a bible beliving church
Lok at all that has and is going on you have to question who is running it
Jesus or satin
I know the answer

[Anonymous (24.88.32.43)]

clearing the garbage to the bottom.

[Anonymous (68.82.183.197)]

do something Satan doesn't want you to do tonight....PRAY

[ralphwells (ralphwells)]

Yes Doris, "Yikes" indeed!

Let me see if you and I both read that the same way? According to "Psalm5613," we should hide our head in the sand, keep truth in the dark, and never question? NEVER question! Is that how you read it too Doris? Hmmm, very interesting (he said in his best Arte Johnson German accent).

Strange, my pastor asks me and others for advice all the time, and we are not even on his staff. He does not mind questions form anyone. He even, oh my God, accepts critique of his messages??? Oh no, God's Church will sure crumble!! He does not seem to be intimidated by the "fact??" that he is the pastor and "should??" have all the answers. Hmm, makes one wonder, dosn't it?

How is it then that the Psalm 56:13 says,

"For You delivered me from death, even my feet from stumbling, to walk before God in the light of life."

Hmmm, seems that we are supposed to walk in TOTAL light. And, I wonder how much more a "godly" ministry could accomplish with and for GOd if all the leadership's actions towards the people were truly "godly?" And, when something ungodly occurred, true repentance and correction were engaged in?

Blessings,

Ralph
1Cor 15:10

[psalm5613 (psalm5613)]

Hello Ralph,

Aparently you don't realize that this is simply an excerpt from a novel I wrote, of which a portion (about 1/3) is based upon my own experience as an associate pastor in GGWO.

I emailed you directly TWICE in the last couple of weeks to share this and some other things. I used my other address:

pastorrmiller@corministries.org

You failed to respond. Now that you do, you accuse me of hiding my head in the sand. How truly sad that is.

If you wish to ask me a question, you now have two of my addresses:

rollin@interviewwithlucifer.com
and
pastorrmiller@corministries.org

I hope that you will write.

Rollin Miller

[ralphwells (ralphwells)]

Sorry Rollin! I missed the point entirely, duh. I am not a natural blond, I was born a brunette. Did you EMail <lifeafterggwotbs@yahoo.com>? I did not get it, but I will certainly EMail you tonight.

[louise_connolly (louise_connolly)]

Give me <u>Screwtape Letters</u> anyday.

Can you say 'deprogram'?

[ralphwells (ralphwells)]

Rollin - YOU'VE GOT MAIL! I sent you an EMail this morning. Hoping to hear from you. Apologize for not getting your EMail, it must have gone into the "bulk folder," and I do not open that, I just empty it right to delete.

At first I did not remember you, but slowly the fog began to clear and I think I do. If I am correct I attended a Bible study in your home probably 4-5 years ago??? Your Dad has been a pastor for most of his life? Baptist?

I am red faced ashamed for givingyour post such a cursory reading and missing it's point yesterday. Something I try to avoid. Ah well, no nail prints in these hands.

Blessings,

Ralph
1Cor 15:10

[psalm5613 (psalm5613)]

One in the same Ralph. But I haven't got any mail yet. I will send one to you later tonight if I haven't received it.

There is no need to feel ashamed. Things that are crystal clear to me may not necessarily be the same for others.

Abiding Above,

Rollin
Phil 3:10

[ralphwells (ralphwells)]

Rollin - I think you finally do have mail this time.http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/blush.gif

BTW - give mny greetings to your wife, I enjoyed her hospitality the time I visited. She is a delightful hostess.

Blessings,

Ralph
1Cor 15:10